but that shit isn't going to move afterwards. Saw my first one like this just a couple of days ago. Oh the tangled web the new and uninformed shooter will weave. I couldn't get that thing off to save my life. I told him he may have to destroy the stock to get it off and save the tube. Felt bad for the guy. Just thinking about it and there is just so much to guns. It easy to jack something up when starting out.