AR/M4 rifles will soon disappear from the shelves in Colorado

[Hummer]

As most of you know, limited numbers of AR/M4 rifles have gradually returned to the store racks, and most retailers have some .223 or 5.56 ammo some of the time. But just at the time we're beginning to see normalcy return to the market, I believe a renewed shortage of modern sporting rifles looms for Colorado due to the coming mag ban.

Now only ten days from the June 30 deadline, online retailers like Bud's have now discontinued shipping AR/M4 rifles to CO because they are factory packaged with 30 rd. mags. The online retailers don't want to be stuck with rifles in CO that have transfer delays beyond the deadline., and they won't open the seals on the boxes to remove the mags because then they can't be sold as unopened new stock.

On July 1, any remaining local store stock of guns with 15+ rd. mags will be shipped out to parent stores or back to the LGS distributors. Cabela's will ship all local AR/M4 stock to out of state stores. So, there will be no rifles for sale in CO until the manufacturers specially package rifles with 10 round mags. My theory is that the mag ban will create a renewed shortage of rifles.

I'd be interested in your thoughts, especially those of CO FFL dealers, about when we'll see sporting rifles back on the shelves.

Will a court injunction forestall this before the deadline?

[Fromk]

In California the dealers will often take out the restricted mags and replace them with ones they can legally sell. This applies mostly to guns that are special ordered by somebody but could be the case for any dealer willing to take the time and stock the replacements. Of course they'll be getting guns fresh from the factory (or whatever) with legal mags soon after. I guarantee you the big chains have a plan for this since they're in the business of making money and want to maintain sales the best they can.

[Rooskibar03]

Sounds like we will be building our own rifles from here on out.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

You theory is solid... It worries me.

[Cameron]

I've never seen a rifle in a gun store still in the box on the shelf. They unbox all their stock. Open them, remove the mags, and sell the rifle, what's the big deal?

Cameron

[Sharpienads]

^^^ Very good point

[ChunkyMonkey]

Same here.. Those rifles/carbines are on display and not in their boxes.

[Great-Kazoo]

As most of you know, limited numbers of AR/M4 rifles have gradually returned to the store racks, and most retailers have some .223 or 5.56 ammo some of the time. But just at the time we're beginning to see normalcy return to the market, I believe a renewed shortage of modern sporting rifles looms for Colorado due to the coming mag ban.

Now only ten days from the June 30 deadline, online retailers like Bud's have now discontinued shipping AR/M4 rifles to CO because they are factory packaged with 30 rd. mags. The online retailers don't want to be stuck with rifles in CO that have transfer delays beyond the deadline., and they won't open the seals on the boxes to remove the mags because then they can't be sold as unopened new stock.

On July 1, any remaining local store stock of guns with 15+ rd. mags will be shipped out to parent stores or back to the LGS distributors. Cabela's will ship all local AR/M4 stock to out of state stores. So, there will be no rifles for sale in CO until the manufacturers specially package rifles with 10 round mags. My theory is that the mag ban will create a renewed shortage of rifles.

I'd be interested in your thoughts, especially those of CO FFL dealers, about when we'll see sporting rifles back on the shelves.

Will a court injunction forestall this before the deadline?

Too many holes in your theory. NO FFL in CO will be shipping ANY AR'S back to the vendors because of the magazines. They will sell the mags on line / out of state and not sell guns with 15rd mags. They will pull the mags and replace with 10rd ones or just receive Post 9/94 Compliant units.
EVERY LGS i have been in the last 2 days is stacked to the ceiling with "Black Rifles" The only shotage i see at LGS' are LE Glocks AND 357 lever actions.

Unless you have a pre 94 Colt which did come "sealed" in a plastic bag Every Hand gun and Rifle i ever unpacked was in a plastic or cardboard box. Out come the mags, log in to bound book , out to the display area.
Stop pushing unnecessary Panic, we have enough bullshit going round as it is. Unless you're getting ready to post a few AR's in the TP

[ChunkyMonkey]

Poke him w/ your cane, Jim.. POKE HIM!

[Sharpienads]

Poke him w/ your cane, Jim.. POKE HIM!

[ROFL1]

[Great-Kazoo]

Poke him w/ your cane, Jim.. POKE HIM!

Aye he's a witch BURN EM.
FUCK i hate all this BullShit of [panic]NO MORE AR'S BECAUSE [panic].............................. shit.

If that's the case i'll take $4500 for my factory Colt NOW. Save everyone time and ulcers trying to scrap money together, after selling their $1500 glock come July 1st.


PSSSTTTTT ya hear gas prices go up in the summer and back down after labor day[facepalm]

[Great-Kazoo]

Sounds like we will be building our own rifles from here on out.

Not wihtout a SOT ffl, legally

[sniper7]

I guess I'm glad I have enough rifles

[BigDee]

Not only will there be no shortage of rifles; I expect to see private party values come down dramatically after July 1st.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I guess I'm glad I have enough rifles

I wish I do.. I lost them all.

[waxthis]

I'll let my colt go for 4k...:p

[waxthis]

Minus the 1k in upgrades of course..:)

[SideShow Bob]

Well,
i will be kind to the unwashed masses, I will sell to anyone here an un-fired PSA build for only $1750.....

[KestrelBike]

In California the dealers will often take out the restricted mags and replace them with ones they can legally sell. This applies mostly to guns that are special ordered by somebody but could be the case for any dealer willing to take the time and stock the replacements. Of course they'll be getting guns fresh from the factory (or whatever) with legal mags soon after. I guarantee you the big chains have a plan for this since they're in the business of making money and want to maintain sales the best they can.

Yup, that's how riflegear does it. They're not comic books in shrink wrap mint condition; what dealer doesn't open the box to verify the correct serial number on the gun doesn't match what's on the box/sku/paperwork?

[Great-Kazoo]

[QUOTE=BigDee;1190711]Not only will there be no shortage of rifles; I expect to see private party values come down dramatically after July 1st.[/QUOT


In Theory . The WOD worked.

[MarkCO]

Completely unfounded speculation. EVERY firearm box HAS to be opened to record the serial number AT the Distributor AND the LGS. Certain gun stores in Colorado had the practice of ordering in Blue label Glocks, pulling the extra mag and selling them at retail...but no more, they got busted. Pulling or removing an accessory won't rebrand the firearms as used. Sure, Bud's and Grab-a-gun might slow or stop sales for a time period, but it won't be long and they will keep selling into CO.

Good question maybe, but no real issue w.r.t. ARs.

What I do think "may" happen is a slight burp in the supply chain for 9mm pistols as LGS switch over from ordering standard cap to 10 round mag configuration pistols. Also, the value of used firearms will drop. Cheapos like Hi-points and Kel-Tecs, may lose as much as half their value potentially fueling "illegal" sales for quick cash amongst the less savory sorts and thereby increasing the prevalence of firearms among criminals.

[Stone83]

yep, no more AR's in Colorado...[facepalm]
What happens if all those manufactures sell them with NO mag's??

Seriously..........?

[XC700116]

Too many holes in your theory. NO FFL in CO will be shipping ANY AR'S back to the vendors because of the magazines. They will sell the mags on line / out of state and not sell guns with 15rd mags. They will pull the mags and replace with 10rd ones or just receive Post 9/94 Compliant units.
EVERY LGS i have been in the last 2 days is stacked to the ceiling with "Black Rifles" The only shotage i see at LGS' are LE Glocks AND 357 lever actions.

Unless you have a pre 94 Colt which did come "sealed" in a plastic bag Every Hand gun and Rifle i ever unpacked was in a plastic or cardboard box. Out come the mags, log in to bound book , out to the display area.
Stop pushing unnecessary Panic, we have enough bullshit going round as it is. Unless you're getting ready to post a few AR's in the TP

Exactly and both shops I've worked in, if you logged a gun into the book or the computer without physically opening and inspecting the serial number, you're gone, fired, out the door immediately. Loosing your FFL over the factory putting the wrong label on a box, or wrong gun in a box, isn't something most operations are willing to risk over not opening a box for some retarded, "factory sealed" condition.

[sniper7]

I'm guessing the capitalistic approach will take over and they will get guns with suitable mags....

[DOC]

I say repeal the law before it does any damage.

[Great-Kazoo]

yep, no more AR's in Colorado...[facepalm]
What happens if all those manufactures sell them with NO mag's??

Seriously..........?

Looks like you were unprepared, not mine or anyone elses problem. You don't wait till you run out of gas to fill up.
The do make 10 round mags for almost every firearm on the market, just have to reload more often. Ah the days of the 94-04 AWB awaken once again.

[Mazin]

Doubt it will affect the TP

[TFOGGER]

Doubt it will affect the TP

Other than the UBC requirement...which they still don't have any guidelines published for...

[brutal]

Well,
i will be kind to the unwashed masses, I will sell to anyone here an un-fired PSA build for only $1750.....

Shit man, I have a couple, including one upper you may or may not have knowledge of, that I can't realistically unload for build parts cost, let alone my time and expense to build and test fire. [panic]


P.S. Posting drunk is a bithch.

[beast556]

I worked part time at a gun shop in Cali for 5 years. Trust me the vendors will take the mags out and ship them with out a mag. They would take them out for us and even seperate the upper and lower to make it legal to ship in to cali. The distributors are there to make money not loose money. Look they already found a way to get black rifles back on the shelves in NY.

[Cameron]

The only AR shortage is in your safe.... not mine.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3802/9096684785_ef2e804517_b.jpg

[lpgasman]

yep, no more AR's in Colorado...[facepalm]
What happens if all those manufactures sell them with NO mag's??

Seriously..........?
I have talked to lots of gun dealers, and they say, they will just sell the rifles w/out mags for now. So hopefully everyone stocked up on mags.

[Mazin]

I have talked to lots of gun dealers, and they say, they will just sell the rifles w/out mags for now. So hopefully everyone stocked up on mags.


If not I have some until 7/1 for $150ea........[beatdeadhorse]

[Bailey Guns]

On top of everything else that's been said to counter the OP, distributors don't just accept stock returned from gun shops. It was my experience that if you had a problem with a gun it went back to the manufacturer, not the distributor...unless they made a mistake.

Basically, one a distributor sent you a gun (or any other stock), it was yours.

[Singlestack]

On top of everything else that's been said to counter the OP, distributors don't just accept stock returned from gun shops. It was my experience that if you had a problem with a gun it went back to the manufacturer, not the distributor...unless they made a mistake. Basically, one a distributor sent you a gun (or any other stock), it was yours.
Slightly different question based on this^^^. Handguns with 16 round or larger mags. What should we expect to see at the Tanner at the end of the month? Will sellers be discounting those handguns to move them before July 1 since they can't return to distributors? Or will they just sell through Gunbroker or GunsAmerica to valid out of State buyers? I would think they might want to deal on Sunday in order to avoid the hassle and perhaps additional expense o selling online...

[sniper7]

The only AR shortage is in your safe.... not mine.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3802/9096684785_ef2e804517_b.jpg

Sweet airsoft collection bro!

[Hummer]

Completely unfounded speculation. EVERY firearm box HAS to be opened to record the serial number AT the Distributor AND the LGS. Certain gun stores in Colorado had the practice of ordering in Blue label Glocks, pulling the extra mag and selling them at retail...but no more, they got busted. Pulling or removing an accessory won't rebrand the firearms as used. Sure, Bud's and Grab-a-gun might slow or stop sales for a time period, but it won't be long and they will keep selling into CO.

Good question maybe, but no real issue w.r.t. ARs.

What I do think "may" happen is a slight burp in the supply chain for 9mm pistols as LGS switch over from ordering standard cap to 10 round mag configuration pistols. Also, the value of used firearms will drop. Cheapos like Hi-points and Kel-Tecs, may lose as much as half their value potentially fueling "illegal" sales for quick cash amongst the less savory sorts and thereby increasing the prevalence of firearms among criminals.

Thanks for the input on my questions, it appears the issue of mags packed with the guns is a non issue and just some LGS BS that I'd heard. Just for the record, I have nothing to sell nor any interest in seeing a disruption or higher prices. We'll see soon enough how it all plays out.

I do think we haven't seen an end to the panic buying and hoarding of ammo. While most of us have prepared and stocked up many people wait until the last minute, or until it's too late. There's a lot of volatility in the market that isn't going to go away as long as Obama is in office and the dems control the state government. I also don't see a big dump of AR's or other guns coming as some are predicting. There will be some trading but people will continue to buy and hoard because of a legitimate concern and distrust of government, particularly in light of the current scandals.

[Bailey Guns]

I don't really know what I'd do to move the items. Online, discounted, etc... I'd want that stuff out of inventory by the 1st. Maybe try to have a small supply of "legal" mags to sub for the 15+ round mags. It's gonna be a PITA for some.

[RblDiver]

In California the dealers will often take out the restricted mags and replace them with ones they can legally sell.

Here's a new question: Wouldn't the above situation still technically be against the law here? I mean, the dealer's the one receiving the mag, so they're now the ones obtaining possession. Isn't that against the law, or is there a dealer exemption?

[Great-Kazoo]

Slightly different question based on this^^^. Handguns with 16 round or larger mags. What should we expect to see at the Tanner at the end of the month? Will sellers be discounting those handguns to move them before July 1 since they can't return to distributors? Or will they just sell through Gunbroker or GunsAmerica to valid out of State buyers? I would think they might want to deal on Sunday in order to avoid the hassle and perhaps additional expense o selling online...

You will be witness to the great sell off of 2013 @ 2-3x the MSRP. Look at supply vs demand. if you paid $18-22 hundred for an AR , $7--+ for glocks AND were willing to wait 3-6 days for the BG approval from CBI, you'll pay asking price before 7/1

However at this point in time almost everyone who wanted to buy has,. so it's a crap shoot gun show wise.


Here's a new question: Wouldn't the above situation still technically be against the law here? I mean, the dealer's the one receiving the mag, so they're now the ones obtaining possession. Isn't that against the law, or is there a dealer exemption?

Gunbroker, Guns America, ebay etc.

Other states are like CO in a [panic] mode. Especially since Tuesday when Smokin Joe spoke about "Renewed Effort" NO MATTER WHAT for more Gun laws. What we cannot buy others are lined up to.

[alxone]

its the mag and ammo supply that will dry up if anything

[lpgasman]

If not I have some until 7/1 for $150ea........[beatdeadhorse]

Wow! What a bargain. Capitalist pig dog.[LOL]

[Mazin]

Wow! What a bargain. Capitalist pig dog.[LOL]

Ohh I'm gonna get mine, you know how I roll. That's how I got such a badass truck ;)


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