ZIMMERMAN TRIAL LIVE LINK

[UrbanWolf]

Read the comment at the bottom. I wonder... where/how did he get that?

http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q668/RadScorpius/Where_zps1d3c666a.jpg

[SA Friday]

Read the comment at the bottom. I wonder... where/how did he get that?


Fast and Furious, USA tour.

[davsel]

Fast and Furious, USA tour.

[LOL]

[UrbanWolf]

Fast and Furious, USA tour.

[UZI][AR15] [fudd] [g3][Sniper]

[palepainter]

Some one needs to tweet him and let him know his stock needs a bit of collapsing.

[davsel]

But wait, there's more...

From: http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/13/naacp-calls-on-obama-admin-to-pursue-civil-rights-charges-against-zimmerman/


“BREAKING: Zimmerman acquitted on all charges.We will update you as we work to pursue civil rights charges against Zimmerman through the DOJ,” the official Twitter account of the NAACP tweeted (https://twitter.com/NAACP/status/356236299574837248) Saturday evening after Zimmerman was acquitted of the murder of Trayvon Martin.

[jhood001]

31473

I hadn't seen this picture before. Really indicative of how badly he was beaten after having seen his normal nose in court over the last several days.

[Richard K]

Even though found noit guilty, a proper verdict, his life is over. The shit will now hit the fan for him and possibly the jurors.

[Squeeze]

I know it won't have much success until the current King-in-Chief leaves office, but maybe now we can start to move past all of this focus on race and begin to heal as one nation, one people.

AMEN! [Awesom]

[hatidua]

Even though found noit guilty, a proper verdict, his life is over. The shit will now hit the fan for him and possibly the jurors.

He's 29. That leaves many many decades left in his life. In terms of finding employment, there are a whole lot of people who own businesses who won't hold this incident against him - in the slightest.

[Dave]

Any chance of those who lost their jobs over his initial release will be rehired?

[Gman]

The DOJ looking into the evidence could be related to the DA's office not passing along their evidence to the defense.
...and then firing their IT guy that pulled the pictures and social media stuff off Trayvon's phone and created the findings report.

The NAACP is about division. If they weren't keeping up the division, there would be no need for their organization to exist.

[battle_sight_zero]

Even though found noit guilty, a proper verdict, his life is over. The shit will now hit the fan for him and possibly the jurors.

"The acquittal of George Zimmerman is a slap in the face to the American people but it is only the first round in the pursuit of justice. We intend to ask the Department of Justice to move forward as they did in the Rodney King case and we will closely monitor the civil case against Mr. Zimmerman. I will convene an emergency call with preachers tonight to discuss next steps and I intend to head to Florida in the next few days."
— the Rev. Al Sharpton

[BushMasterBoy]

I'd say "impropriety" on the DA's office to say the least...and yes the DOJ should investigate the withheld evidence showing Trayvon to be the juvenile delinquent he was! Ah the dirty world of politics...

[battle_sight_zero]

He's 29. That leaves many many decades left in his life. In terms of finding employment, there are a whole lot of people who own businesses who won't hold this incident against him - in the slightest.

If I were George I would move to a nice town in Montana or Wyoming. People would have his back out there for employment and protection.

[Ronin13]

So now I'm curious... Where does Jamie Foxx stand in all this? How does Barry feel about the verdict... a jury of his peers found him not guilty in a court of law. Race riots? Pleeeeze.. sit down, chill out, move on with your life!

[davsel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=svjISYrTMyk

[MrPrena]

Mini Riot started in Oakland

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/live
http://tunein.com/radio/Oakland-Police-and-Fire-Dispatch-s161590/

[WETWRKS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=svjISYrTMyk

Someone should email this to the DAs office. I'm sure they would see the humor in it. :D

[Great-Kazoo]

Mini Riot started in Oakland

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/live
http://tunein.com/radio/Oakland-Police-and-Fire-Dispatch-s161590/


AND the cops escorted them.[facepalm] What the people in power think " let them get it out of their system"

Onlyl in CA is

Vandalism GOOD
Guns BAD

[cofi]

Love how all my lib retard friends are calling him a "kid" and a "child"

[muddywings]

Glad I was wrong about the riots...except in my old neck of the woods:Oakland.
Of course the day is young.

[eneranch]

...
Of course the day is young.

^^ This ; plenty of miscreants out there to stir the pot.

[blacklabel]

Love how all my lib retard friends are calling him a "kid" and a "child"

I've seen the damage that an athletic 17 year old can dole out and it's as dangerous as most men. Calling him a child is ignorance at best and most likely sensationalism.

[ChadAmberg]

I'd say "impropriety" on the DA's office to say the least...and yes the DOJ should investigate the withheld evidence showing Trayvon to be the juvenile delinquent he was! Ah the dirty world of politics...

Who is going to investigate the DOJ for interfering in the first place?

[SAnd]

Love how all my lib retard friends are calling him a "kid" and a "child"

You might want to refer them to what this 17 year old kid did. One punch kill.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/ricardo-portillo-utah-soccer-referee-dies-after-being-punched-by-teenage-player-1.5200914

[bryjcom]

Who is going to investigate the DOJ for interfering in the first place?

There is rumblings that O'mara and West are going after the prosecution for malicious prosecution. They will probably win.

Z has an excellent case against NBC



This case shows us two things. First a jury can be non biased and second, it shows how the media can completely manipulate a nation into thinking the exact opposite of what happened.

Seeing FB comments and comments on left wing sites, I was amazed at how little they knew about the case and what they think they knew about the case was completely false...

This is a sad time for America

[buckshotbarlow]

when we teach our nra classes, especially PPOTH, we always tell our students that the easy court case against you will be the state vs you...Proving beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT...Now the BS comes up in civil court, and of course, anyone can bring up a lawsuit there. Zimmerman is ruined financially from the amounts of lawsuits that will brought against him.

[Great-Kazoo]

I am surprised the verdict came back the way it did. Figured with all the race baiting, not allowing TM's past while bringing everything about Z into it outside his birth certificate, it was at least manslaughter.
However not actually being there , as 99% of the world wasn't too, no one but the jury has the whole story. The flip flopping by the prosecution and judge regarding, OK you can find guilty on a lesser charge shit???

Why not go after a manslaughter charge from go. Oh yeah that's right it was the presidents imaginary look alike son
. IIRC it was posted here or somewhere else. So the CIC said his son would be a pot smoking, posing with handguns while under age, looking thugish, being suspended from school, a divorced family. NICE very nice mr. president. Can we set the bar any higher for the youths in today's society.

[OtterbatHellcat]

I was pondering....about Zimmerman and others in his position. Can you ever get insured on anything ever again? House, cars...shit like that?

*Sate Farm / Zimmerman conversation*

SF: Yes, how can we help you?

Z: My name is George Zimmerman

SF: *click*

Z: Hello?...Hello?

SF: *dial tone*

[sniper7]

when we teach our nra classes, especially PPOTH, we always tell our students that the easy court case against you will be the state vs you...Proving beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT...Now the BS comes up in civil court, and of course, anyone can bring up a lawsuit there. Zimmerman is ruined financially from the amounts of lawsuits that will brought against him.

Someone mentioned about civil immunity after a criminal case? Any teeth to that In FL?

[sniper7]

Seeing a couple blurbs on Facebook from "friends". Some saying they are disappointed in the system and not what are forefathers wanted.

[Great-Kazoo]

Someone mentioned about civil immunity after a criminal case? Any teeth to that In FL?

He'll get sued no matter what immunity there is. The head hunters (in a non racial tone) want Z skinned alive, even then they will never be happy.

I did like the defense teams comments about going after the state for expenses and othe rpotential sources for reimbursement if not the impropriorities the state / prosecution was blatantly guilty of.

[cofi]

Seeing a couple blurbs on Facebook from "friends". Some saying they are disappointed in the system and not what are forefathers wanted.
Our forefathers wanted everyone to hug it out

http://raysbrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/bear_arms_xlarge.jpeg

[mtnrider]

Seeing a couple blurbs on Facebook from "friends". Some saying they are disappointed in the system and not what are forefathers wanted.

I had to do a house cleaning of FB "friends" last night. I don't have time for people who can't see the truth.

[buffalobo]

At least the jury got it right based on the facts of the case, in spite of the efforts of feds, prosecutors, media and community meddlers.

[Goodburbon]

Certainly making for some lively Facebook conversations.


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[sniper7]

I might do some cleaning up as well. I Dont get on Facebook much so I could care less either way

[Gman]

The race baiters didn't get what they WANTED. Just heard Sharpton on Meet the Press this morning. They act like this young man was walking down the public sidewalk minding his own business when he was shot for only the color of his skin. This has nothing to do with facts or justice.

What's the goal, a reversal on slavery?

[battle_sight_zero]

I believe Mr.Zimmerman and family could eventually find some sense of peace. Moving to a mountain state like Wyoming or Montana. He wont have people judging him about the situation. Sure people will know who he is but they most likely will understand why he is living there. The problem is the media, every few years they will do a story on race in the United States. They will then do a story on George and where he is living etc. Case in point if the freaking media would stay out of this things would die down, but of course they wont.

[hurley842002]

I had to do a house cleaning of FB "friends" last night. I don't have time for people who can't see the truth.


I might do some cleaning up as well. I Dont get on Facebook much so I could care less either way

I must have cleaned well enough over the past few years, all I got on FB was a couple pro outcome comments.

[mtnhack]

FFS. (more on the oakland "protest BS)
http://www.trbimg.com/img-51e2bd0a/turbine/la-me-ln-zimmerman-acquittal-turns-violent-in--001/600

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-zimmerman-acquittal-oakland-20130714,0,331163.story

[cofi]

FFS. (more on the oakland "protest BS)
http://www.trbimg.com/img-51e2bd0a/turbine/la-me-ln-zimmerman-acquittal-turns-violent-in--001/600

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-zimmerman-acquittal-oakland-20130714,0,331163.story

What did they bring that cheap ass trash can with them for that photo ops????

[ChunkyMonkey]

2pm protest at city park. Stay clear or stay classy folks.

http://m.denverpost.com/denverpost/db_21611/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=mZmrn7BO

[Gman]

http://m.denverpost.com/denverpost/db_21611/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=mZmrn7BO
...at least they're making their basis for the protest something solid, like make-believe;

"We are not privy to everything the jury discussed but in our gut we know had the situation been reversed and Trayvon killed Zimmerman, he would not have been treated the same as Zimmerman. I am pretty sure he would have been convicted by now," said Fard.

[mrghost]

I don't know if anyone else caught it, but for the few minutes I could stand to watch CNN last night, they quoted the NAACP as saying they will now "fight for the removal of Stand Your Ground laws in every state."

[ChadAmberg]

The race baiters didn't get what they WANTED. Just heard Sharpton on Meet the Press this morning. They act like this young man was walking down the public sidewalk minding his own business when he was shot for only the color of his skin. This has nothing to do with facts or justice.

What's the goal, a reversal on slavery?



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[bryjcom]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/mdrabolli/zimdefense_zps94bf76ac.gif

[BPTactical]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/992780_609257962428578_669207795_n.png

Incredibly true today even though it was said how long ago.....100+ years ago??

[Mick-Boy]

Yeah bryjcom, I'm sure they're partying it up while they wait for the civil suits to start rolling in and possible charges of Civil Rights Violations by the DOJ...

[Singlestack]

Just a few random musings about the trial and result.

- I believe justice was served and the correct verdict was reached, under the law.

- While I don't believe this will happen, my wish is that wanna be thugs avoid strangers who are giving them a careful eye and even following them. Be careful who you pick on and confront - it may cost you your life.

- I want West and MOM as my defense attorneys, should I ever be in the same situation. Not perfect, but I believe more than competent and swam upstream for the entire trial

- The prosecution press conference, dominated by stupid Angela, was a farce. Her smarmy answers with the fake smile were completely disingenuous. She knew she didn't have a case and pushed Murder 2 anyway. Although BDLR (Bernie) I thought was overall a pretty good prosecutor, his indignant "justice was not served" comments in the press conference were disappointing. He should well know that few comments thanking the jury and not commenting on the specifics would serve him better than clinging to the proven false narrative with feigned indignity

- Trial attorney friends of mine told me this morning that the likelihood of a federal civil rights trial is non-existent for two reasons: the "wrong" party needs to be one involved with enforcement of the law (police, judge, attorney,....) - and a private citizen like GM doesn't meet that. The other reason is the FBI investigation that cleared GZ of racist behavior. One of these attorneys even mentioned a civil suit is unlikely, but I didn't hear his reasoning. It would seem to be a wrongful death civil trial may still be possible.

- At least GZ's handgun was a pretty cheap and easily replaced Kel-Tec PF-9. Although he can apply to have it returned, might be best to let Sanford PD disposition it or destroy it, and just get another elsewhere

- Although riots have not materialized, I think this trial and the continued pressure of the race baiters will move race relations backward. This trial may not be the "key moment" that sparks severe and long-lasting racial division, but it will be used as a catalyst in the future for other events that will indeed be the catalyst.

- Even though GZ was acquitted, the trial makes it clear that any lawful citizen who shoots another in claimed self defense may well be railroaded. regardless of the evidence or lack of evidence.

[Singlestack]

A short clip showing GZ's defense team returning from Starbucks this morning in O'Mara's jeep: http://i.imgur.com/gzyuFLH.gif

[bryjcom]

Yeah bryjcom, I'm sure they're partying it up while they wait for the civil suits to start rolling in and possible charges of Civil Rights Violations by the DOJ...

I don't think civil suits can happen in FL due to him being deemed as acting in self defense.

And the rumblings I heard about the civil rights violations is that they have ZERO case.

Who knows with the idiot in chief, though.

[SideShow Bob]

If George is acquitted ill eat my hat.

Would you like that with BBQ sauce or plain ? [Tooth]

Edit: you need to post a video of yourself consuming said hat..........

"Anything you say can and will be twisted & taken out of context, and used against you...."

[brokenscout]

They will try him till he's guilty(DOJ), or someone will get him

[UrbanWolf]

Best facebook comment I've seen so far about Zimmerman "He did not do it in self defense, he was not dead." [hammer][hammer]

[muddywings]

I made, what I think is my first, FB post with an article from where I was born and have a lot of family.
Does it sound familiar but without the media hype, public outrage and the presidential commentary?

http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/

[RMAC757]

I believe Mr.Zimmerman and family could eventually find some sense of peace. Moving to a mountain state like Wyoming or Montana. He wont have people judging him about the situation. Sure people will know who he is but they most likely will understand why he is living there. The problem is the media, every few years they will do a story on race in the United States. They will then do a story on George and where he is living etc. Case in point if the freaking media would stay out of this things would die down, but of course they wont.

Die down?.....how many times have you posted in this thread alone ? The media, left or right, loves it when people get all crazy and angry with the sh!t they say. Look at half of you.....your posting stuff from CNN and other news outlets most us would never patronize. Now all of sudden your combing their articles.....I don't get it.

[Rooskibar03]

Would you like that with BBQ sauce or plain ? [Tooth]

Edit: you need to post a video of yourself consuming said hat..........

"Anything you say can and will be twisted & taken out of context, and used against you...."


Son of a.... Ill take mine with ranch..

[cofi]

I made, what I think is my first, FB post with an article from where I was born and have a lot of family.
Does it sound familiar but without the media hype, public outrage and the presidential commentary?

http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/

Love it thanks for this link

[muddywings]

Hell, forget the media overhyping this BS, tell the POTUS he should not get involved:

(CNN) - President Barack Obama issued the following statement Sunday following the verdict in the George Zimmerman trial (http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t1).
"The death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy. Not just for his family, or for any one community, but for America. I know this case has elicited strong passions. And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken. I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son. And as we do, we should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to widen the circle of compassion and understanding in our own communities. We should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that’s a job for all of us. That’s the way to honor Trayvon Martin."


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Sorry, I won't be honoring a young thug who beat the crap out of someone and got shot for doing it.

[Gman]

...and if defending yourself from having your brains bashed in, that doesn't make it part of the "tide of gun violence". Would we rather have physically stronger individuals in control?

Look to Chicago, Mr. President.

[cofi]

Hell, forget the media overhyping this BS, tell the POTUS he should not get involved:

(CNN) - President Barack Obama issued the following statement Sunday following the verdict in the George Zimmerman trial (http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t1).
"The death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy. Not just for his family, or for any one community, but for America. I know this case has elicited strong passions. And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken. I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son. And as we do, we should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to widen the circle of compassion and understanding in our own communities. We should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that’s a job for all of us. That’s the way to honor Trayvon Martin."


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Sorry, I won't be honoring a young thug who beat the crap out of someone and got shot for doing it.





travon was a gun owner and therefore im assuming a second amendment supporter i think he would be in support of the stand your ground laws

http://www.yourblackworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/23/gun-trayvon.jpg

[Gman]

I own a SW40VE.....what does that say about me?

...that I like a really heavy trigger pull?

[SideShow Bob]

travon was a gun owner and therefore im assuming a second amendment supporter i think he would be in support of the stand your ground laws

http://www.yourblackworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/23/gun-trayvon.jpg

Considering his age, he was an "Illegal gun" owner........

[cofi]

Considering his age, he was an "Illegal gun" owner........


maybe this will spark a debate about lowering the handgun age limits....

[SA Friday]

- At least GZ's handgun was a pretty cheap and easily replaced Kel-Tec PF-9. Although he can apply to have it returned, might be best to let Sanford PD disposition it or destroy it, and just get another elsewhere

- Although riots have not materialized, I think this trial and the continued pressure of the race baiters will move race relations backward. This trial may not be the "key moment" that sparks severe and long-lasting racial division, but it will be used as a catalyst in the future for other events that will indeed be the catalyst.

A few small spats have happened. I believe Oakland had some problems last night. Overall, way less than I expected.

Hell yes he should get his gun back, and if he's smart he will get a signed copy of the evidence tag receipt and keep it. the go straight down to a bank and put both in a safety deposit box. (I know this is twisted, but my mind just works like this.) Guns with documented history to them are worth serious money. 100 years from now, that POS keltec will be put his great grandkids through college.

[hurley842002]

"We should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis."

-President Obama

Stem the tide of gun violence, or raise our children properly? There wouldn't have been "gun violence" had little Treyvon kept his damn hands to himself. I'm trying to remember the last time (even as a child) I laid a hand upon someone for following and or confronting me, in a non physical fashion........ NEVER!

[battle_sight_zero]

[/B]
Die down?.....how many times have you posted in this thread alone ? The media, left or right, loves it when people get all crazy and angry with the sh!t they say. Look at half of you.....your posting stuff from CNN and other news outlets most us would never patronize. Now all of sudden your combing their articles.....I don't get it.
Yes I posted in this thread quite a bit because I cared about the case. As someone who has been a victim of violence and wounded both physically and psychologically I had sympathy for the situation. I did not go cower in my closet after my incidents I recovered, analyzed and learned from them so that I could avoid them and be prepared if something else happened. Basically I rooted for Zimmerman while most of the media did not left or right. Since this is a firearms related website and I like firearms, I post on this forum mostly about firearm related issues. Quite frankly it was nice to create post that others could relate too on this case and read other members thoughts and ideas about was going on. Admit it or not many of us can go to our workplace and talk about related issues because of potential misunderstandings. To chat on Facebook you risk creating a firestorm with your friends and family. Quite frankly with the laws that were passed in Colorado and the way things have been politically for several years one does not find many positive avenues to talk about firearm related issues in many other social settings. Yes I do research what the other side is saying if I so inclined, not something I frequently do but if it is important to me I will do that. My posts on this matter are starting to decline on this Zimmerman case , and I hope my next outburst of posts will be talking about and overturn of the Magazine and Transfer laws, quite honestly I rather be hunting, fishing, trading, buying and shooting 15 rounds or more than creating a post![Beer]

[bogie]

travon was a gun owner and therefore im assuming a second amendment supporter i think he would be in support of the stand your ground laws

http://www.yourblackworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/23/gun-trayvon.jpg

If those were his bed sheets, that's effing gross.

[BushMasterBoy]

If there is one thing that pisses me off is one member telling other members they shouldn't post their opinions. As for the law in Florida, you are immune to a civil suit if use of force is justifiable according to this link...http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.032.html

[Great-Kazoo]

If those were his bed sheets, that's effing gross.

Looks like crumbs from creepy ass crackers and spilled purple drank

[Goodburbon]

The liberals on my friends list contend that
1. there was racism, that was the root cause.
2. The confrontation was initiated by Zimmerman, because he followed, and stand your ground applied to Trayvon as he was standing his ground.


I reminded them that they were wrong, the trial was over, and it wasnt decided that way. Their friends swarmed with emotional retorts about killing a child, hunting a black child, black men better be careful out there as the system allows whites to kill them...and all "liked" each others statuses, as if it is some sort of vindication.

Some men, you just can't reach.


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[muddywings]

The liberals on my friends list contend that
1. there was racism, that was the root cause.
2. The confrontation was initiated by Zimmerman, because he followed, and stand your ground applied to Trayvon as he was standing his ground.


I reminded them that they were wrong, the trial was over, and it wasnt decided that way. Their friends swarmed with emotional retorts about killing a child, hunting a black child, black men better be careful out there as the system allows whites to kill them...and all "liked" each others statuses, as if it is some sort of vindication.

Some men, you just can't reach.


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I have actually shot this article: http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/
back at people and ask them what is different. It has shut up a few.

[Gman]

I have actually shot this article: http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/
back at people and ask them what is different. It has shut up a few.
One of the primary differences to me, is that GZ wasn't even trying to detain TM.

[mrghost]

The African American intern on Zimmerman's defense team explicitly states she doesn't think he's a racist:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2013/07/12/erin-mattingly-dnt-zimmermans-legal-intern.cnn

[tmleadr03]

The African American intern on Zimmerman's defense team explicitly states she doesn't think he's a racist:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2013/07/12/erin-mattingly-dnt-zimmermans-legal-intern.cnn

How many times has she been called an Uncle Tom?

[brokenscout]

So when do the riots start? And a new push for gun control

[RMAC757]

Yes I posted in this thread quite a bit because I cared about the case. As someone who has been a victim of violence and wounded both physically and psychologically I had sympathy for the situation. I did not go cower in my closet after my incidents I recovered, analyzed and learned from them so that I could avoid them and be prepared if something else happened. Basically I rooted for Zimmerman while most of the media did not left or right. Since this is a firearms related website and I like firearms, I post on this forum mostly about firearm related issues. Quite frankly it was nice to create post that others could relate too on this case and read other members thoughts and ideas about was going on. Admit it or not many of us can go to our workplace and talk about related issues because of potential misunderstandings. To chat on Facebook you risk creating a firestorm with your friends and family. Quite frankly with the laws that were passed in Colorado and the way things have been politically for several years one does not find many positive avenues to talk about firearm related issues in many other social settings. Yes I do research what the other side is saying if I so inclined, not something I frequently do but if it is important to me I will do that. My posts on this matter are starting to decline on this Zimmerman case , and I hope my next outburst of posts will be talking about and overturn of the Magazine and Transfer laws, quite honestly I rather be hunting, fishing, trading, buying and shooting 15 rounds or more than creating a post![Beer]

I hope we can divert our attention to collectively getting our local laws overturned. At the end of the day most of us have a lot in common and a lot riding on this stuff.
[Beer]

[cstone]

If all you can see is the color of a man's skin, you will never know the man within.

Goodness and evil have no color.

As Americans we either have faith and confidence in our institutions, like the jury, or we have a lot of work to do to replace them with something better.

Anyone can destroy but it takes someone who loves something to build it up and make it better.

Be safe.

[muddywings]

So I know Sen Reid, Al Sharpton and other local 'activists' have already cried for a civil rights trial and I'm not sure how that will play out with the FBI already concluding that this wasn't a race hate crime (even though everybody thinks it is) but how about the civil trail.

Per what I found, if he was acquitted of both 2nd and Man, then I'm thinking he can't be sued but not sure. Any other internet lawyers care to poke you noise at this one?

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.032.html

The 2012 Florida Statutes




Title XLVI (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Index&Title_Request=XLVI#TitleXLVI)
CRIMES

Chapter 776 (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776ContentsIndex.html)
JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE





776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012 (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.012.html), s. 776.013 (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html), or s. 776.031 (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.031.html) is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s.943.10 (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0900-0999/0943/Sections/0943.10.html)(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).
History.—s. 4, ch. 2005-27.

[KestrelBike]

travon was a gun owner and therefore im assuming a second amendment supporter i think he would be in support of the stand your ground laws

http://www.yourblackworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/23/gun-trayvon.jpg

ugghhh look at the daylight between the beavertail and his thumb/forefinger, that thing'll stovepipe for sure. Also keep your finger off the trigger, hotshot.

[Great-Kazoo]

So when do the riots start? And a new push for gun control

breakfast wasn't even done on the west coast before this shit appeared.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-14/obama-urges-stemming-tide-of-gun-violence-to-honor-martin.html?cmpid=yhoo

President Barack Obama (http://topics.bloomberg.com/barack-obama/) called the killing of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin “a tragedy” for America that should lead citizens to ask if they are “doing all they can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis.”

[brokenscout]

THis should be fun
breakfast wasn't even done on the west coast before this shit appeared.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-14/obama-urges-stemming-tide-of-gun-violence-to-honor-martin.html?cmpid=yhoo

President Barack Obama (http://topics.bloomberg.com/barack-obama/) called the killing of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin “a tragedy” for America that should lead citizens to ask if they are “doing all they can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis.”

[Great-Kazoo]

THis should be fun

Just following Rahm Emmanual's philosophy.

[theGinsue]

If all you can see is the color of a man's skin, you will never know the man within.

Goodness and evil have no color.

As Americans we either have faith and confidence in our institutions, like the jury, or we have a lot of work to do to replace them with something better.

Anyone can destroy but it takes someone who loves something to build it up and make it better.

Be safe.
Fantastically well stated.


In response to the many comments about BO's statement that we need to work on stemming the tide of gun violence, I agree, this is something that needs to be worked on. I do not believe, however, that the Zimmerman case has anything to do with gun violence. In my mind, gun violence is the criminal use of firearms to commit violent acts against another person. As such, self defense does not qualify. We have more and more criminals in places like Chicago, New York, DC, LA, etc. that know the general law-abiding public is unarmed. These individuals have no issue with doing harm to someone else to get what they want. If the foolishness of the laws restricting the lawful use/possession/carry of firearms for self defense could be overturned, the criminals would have to contend with the possibility that their victim could turn the tables. Perhaps then the tide of gun violence could be stemmed. But if those communities choose to remain naive to how the lawful carry of firearms makes for a safer society, then their misguided sense of safety will continue to plague them with violence, often with deadly consequences.

[Whistler]

The liberals on my friends list contend that
1. there was racism, that was the root cause.
2. The confrontation was initiated by Zimmerman, because he followed, and stand your ground applied to Trayvon as he was standing his ground.


I reminded them that they were wrong, the trial was over, and it wasnt decided that way. Their friends swarmed with emotional retorts about killing a child, hunting a black child, black men better be careful out there as the system allows whites to kill them...and all "liked" each others statuses, as if it is some sort of vindication.

Some men, you just can't reach.


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It's pretty simple, wasn't any violence until he made it so, following/watching someone is not illegal, attacking someone is and can be (as in this situation) deadly. What's wrong with having a conversation, on either side - "why are you following me? and "who are you and what are you up to?" versus attacking someone. Why couldn't HE simply go home as folks seem to think George should have done? Instead he chose to play the thug and paid the ultimate price.

I occasionally interact with folks I don't recognize in my neighborhood and the conversation is always (so far) simple and non-violent. How can Liberals so easily dismiss Trayvon's role in the outcome? Profiled, not profiled, racist or not, followed, scared or not it only came to this tragic result through HIS action. Specifically he chose to escalate what could have been a brief conversation (or a short dash home) to physical violence. What exactly does the rest of it matter? I will never understand those folks who operate on pure emotion with no regard to plain simple fact.

[hurley842002]

It's pretty simple, wasn't any violence until he made it so, following/watching someone is not illegal, attacking someone is and can be (as in this situation) deadly. What's wrong with having a conversation, on either side - "why are you following me? and "who are you and what are you up to?" versus attacking someone. Why couldn't HE simply go home as folks seem to think George should have done? Instead he chose to play the thug and paid the ultimate price.

I occasionally interact with folks I don't recognize in my neighborhood and the conversation is always (so far) simple and non-violent. How can Liberals so easily dismiss Trayvon's role in the outcome? Profiled, not profiled, racist or not, followed, scared or not it only came to this tragic result through HIS action. Specifically he chose to escalate what could have been a brief conversation (or a short dash home) to physical violence. What exactly does the rest of it matter? I will never understand those folks who operate on pure emotion with no regard to plain simple fact.

Good post, and what I've been trying to preach the whole time, yours was just better preached lol.

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[davsel]

JUSTICE DEPARTMENT STATEMENT ON THE
TRAYVON MARTIN-GEORGE ZIMMERMAN CASE


As the Department first acknowledged last year, we have an open investigation into the death of Trayvon Martin. The Department of Justice’s Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division, the United States Attorney’s Office for the Middle District of Florida, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation continue to evaluate the evidence generated during the federal investigation, as well as the evidence and testimony from the state trial. Experienced federal prosecutors will determine whether the evidence reveals a prosecutable violation of any of the limited federal criminal civil rights statutes within our jurisdiction, and whether federal prosecution is appropriate in accordance with the Department’s policy governing successive federal prosecution following a state trial.

[Gman]

Might be my wishful thinking, but I take that statement to mean something like, 'We're looking into it and will take action if necessary. Stop asking.'

[muddywings]

pretty good summation of what's going to come next:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/07/next-three-trials-george-zimmerman/67178/

George Zimmerman has not seen his last courtroom. There are at least three other legal actions possible involving the man acquitted of murder in the killing of Trayvon Martin—two of which would see Zimmerman again in the role of defendant. In at least one of those, Zimmerman might justifiably be nervous about his chances. But he may go three-for-three.
The three possible lawsuits:
The United States v. George ZimmermanThe case: In March of last year, shortly after Trayvon Martin was killed, the Department of Justiceannounced its intent (http://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-justice-department-investigate-trayvon-martin-killing/story?id=15955985#.UeQNvWR4aSw) to review the case and determine if Zimmerman violated federal law in the killing. That investigation was initiated while Martin's family was still advocating for a criminal case filed by the state; once Zimmerman faced state charges, the Justice Department's investigation was tabled, according to The Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/15/us/justice-department-to-restart-hate-crime-investigation-in-trayvon-martins-death.html).
In a statement yesterday, the department indicated the case was being resumed. Fox News reported (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/14/naacp-asking-obama-administration-to-pursue-zimmerman-civil-case/) on Justice's announcement.

"The Department of Justice's Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division, the United States Attorney's Office for the Middle District of Florida, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation continue to evaluate the evidence generated during the federal investigation, as well as the evidence and testimony from the state trial," the Justice Department said in a statement Sunday. "Experienced federal prosecutors will [now] determine whether the evidence reveals a prosecutable violation of any of the limited federal criminal civil rights statutes within our jurisdiction, and whether federal prosecution is appropriate in accordance with the Department's policy governing successive federal prosecution following a state trial."This language is similar to that used in the department's original statement.
In the aftermath of the verdict, there were widespread calls for federal action. Ben Jealous, head of the NAACP, contacted Attorney General Eric Holder (https://twitter.com/CharlieKayeCBS/status/356269111745056769) to ask for federal charges; a petition (http://www.naacp.org/page/s/doj-civil-rights-petition) introduced by the organization was widely shared. As were petitions at the White House website, as The Hill reports (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/310925-petition-prosecute-zimmerman-for-depriving-trayvon-martin-of-constitutional-rights).
The likely winner of this case: Zimmerman—since it's unlikely the Department will press charges.
It's unlikely that the government will pursue criminal civil rights charges in The case: The Times explains (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/15/us/justice-department-to-restart-hate-crime-investigation-in-trayvon-martins-death.html)why.

Three former Justice Department officials who once worked in the department’s Civil Rights Division, which is handling the inquiry, said Sunday that the federal government must clear a series of difficult legal hurdles before it could move to indict Mr. Zimmerman.

“It is not enough if it’s just a fight that escalated,” said Samuel Bagenstos, who until 2011 served as the principal deputy assistant attorney general in the division. “The government has to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant acted willfully with a seriously culpable state of mind” to violate Mr. Martin’s civil rights.A former U.S. Attorney explained to the Associated Press (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/2013/07/14/justice-dept-zimmerman-case-under-review/cNcBRqTIupMBnPjNbSEoiL/story.html) what that means in this specific case: "They'd have to show not only that the attack was unjustified, but that Mr. Zimmerman attacked Mr. Martin because of his race and because he was using a public facility, the street." That the killing occurred in a gated community may be enough to block any action by the Department of Justice.
There have been some concerns about whether or not federal charges constitute an unconstitutional re-trying of Zimmerman, which could violate the constitutional protection against double jeopardy. The charges would not be for the same crime, however, centering on civil rights violations, not the killing itself.
Martin, Fulton, et. al. v. George ZimmermanThe case: In interviews on Sunday, the attorney for the Martin family (his father Tracy Martin and mother Sybrina Fulton) indicated that it was considering filing civil charges against Zimmerman, asMSNBC reports (http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/07/14/civil-lawsuit-against-zimmerman-an-option-says-martin-family-attorney/).
Such a case would echo another prominent racially tinged trial: the acquittal of O.J. Simpson in 1995. In the aftermath of that case, the families of those Simpson was accused of killing filed a civil suit, charging that Simpson caused his ex-wife Nicole Brown's wrongful death. CNN explains (http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/14/us/martin-family-legal-paths) how that could be a roadmap for the Martin family.

Wrongful death is easier to prove than murder or manslaughter. A defendant can be held liable, even if he or she didn't intend to cause the victim's death, according to Florida law. Simple negligence is enough, if it results in death.

Did Zimmerman act negligently, when he exited his vehicle to pursue Martin on foot while carrying a gun—although a 911 operator told him not to?The likely winner: Zimmerman, though it's not clear-cut.
There's a complicating factor in this case: Florida's "stand your ground" law. The much-discussed law allows those who feel that their lives are threatened to use deadly force in response. Though Zimmerman didn't formally invoke that statute during his trial, Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, has indicated that he would seek civil immunity for Zimmerman in that light. BuzzFeed spoke with (http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/civil-case-against-zimmerman-in-florida-has-little-chance-of) an attorney in the state who explains why that might work.

“One of the things that ‘Stand Your Ground’ does, is it says that if you prove by a preponderance of the evidence, which is 51%, that you acted lawfully under ‘Stand Your Ground’ you can’t be prosecuted criminally sued civilly, and he’s just gotten a not guilty verdict,” [University of Miami criminal law professor Tamara Rice Lave] said. “And so it’s pretty clear he’s going to win that.”Other experts BuzzFeed spoke with see more nuance in the application of the statute—but even so, the family would have an uphill battle. The only other witness to what happened that night is, of course, dead. Martin and Fulton have until next February (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-14/george-zimmerman-s-acquittal-sparks-talk-of-civil-lawsuit.html) to file a civil suit.
George Zimmerman v. NBC Universal, et. al.The case: Last December, Zimmerman filed a civil lawsuit (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/zimmerman-sues-nbc-defamation-article-1.1215103) against the television network for defamation. In a news broadcast covering the Martin killing, the network edited together two segments of a call Zimmerman made to 911, making it appear that he had spontaneously suggested that Martin looked like "he's up to no good," because he was black. The racial identification was instead a response to a question from the 911 dispatcher.
While the criminal case proceeded, NBC asked for a stay on the case. In the aftermath of Saturday's verdict, Zimmerman's legal team suggested it would quickly return to the NBC case, the Washington Post reports (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/07/14/zimmerman-lawyer-to-move-asap-against-nbc-news/). The paper communicated with James Beasley, an attorney for Zimmerman.

“We’re going to start in earnest asap, we just have to get the stay lifted which is a ministerial act,” says Beasley, a Philadelphia lawyer, via e-mail.

When asked how the not-guilty verdict affects the civil case against NBC News, Beasley responded, “This verdict of not guilty is just that, and shows that at least this jury didn’t believe that George was a racist, profiling, or anything that the press accused George of being. That probably doesn’t get you that much but it’s simply time for us to start the case and hold accountable anyone who was irresponsible in their journalism.”The likely winner: Toss-up. It's not clear how the case will proceed, but it's unlikely that NBC News will be enthusiastic about spending a lot of time defending its journalism in a highly visible case. Making one possible, and perhaps likely, outcome an out-of-court settlement in which the network doesn't accept any fault.
If that happens, and if Zimmerman avoids suits from the government and Martin family, his legal record will be perfect, four-for-four. Perhaps law school isn't such a bad idea (http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_23659472).

[sniper7]

Nbc will settle imo

[Goodburbon]

If i were him I'd be on my way to the moscow airport transit terminal.


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[tmleadr03]

Really what it boils down to is that this case was a statistical anomaly.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf

[bellavite1]

IMHO GTFO!

[Gman]

FBI records: agents found no evidence that Zimmerman was racist (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/07/12/155918/more-evidence-released-in-trayvon.html)

[Zundfolge]

Really what it boils down to is that this case was a statistical anomaly.

Agreed, however the frightening thing is that it was also an engineered anomaly.

The more I think about it I think this entire case was blown out of proportion and distorted by the leftist run media to achieve two main goals:



Frighten the black community with the age old specter of "Violent White Racism" to keep them blindly and firmly voting in the Democrat camp (remember back when Bill Clinton was running for re-election and he raised the specter of "burning black churches"? Same thing here).
Rise the rhetoric that states that America always has and always will be institutionally and by design racist (again to keep blacks blindly in the Democrat camp).


I believe that the Democrats are starting to fear what will happen when they finally shove Amnesty down our throats ... black folk (especially young and inexperienced ones) will NEVER be able to compete in the job market with formerly illegal Mexicans and they know this ... they know that Amnesty is going to push a lot of Blacks back into the Republican camp and so they had to nip this in the bud.

The fact that Zimmerman is actually Mexican just makes it all weirder (of course he has a Jewish sounding name, so that might help explain why he was targeted).

[Gman]

The fact that Zimmerman is actually Mexican...
He's of white (father) and peruvian (mother) parents. That doesn't make him "Mexican".

http://theweek.com/article/index/226131/george-zimmerman-what-we-know-about-trayvon-martins-killer

What is Zimmerman's basic biography?
George Michael Zimmerman was born in 1983, the third of four children of Robert and Gladys Zimmerman. Robert, a retired military man and magistrate judge, describes the family as multiracial, telling the Orlando Sentinel (http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/who-is-george-zimmerman/2012/03/22/gIQAkXdbUS_story.html?tid=pm_lifestyle_pop) that "George is a Spanish-speaking minority with many black family members and friends." Gladys is of Peruvian descent. George grew up in Manassas, Va., where neighbors describe the Zimmermans as very religious — George was an altar boy and evening receptionist at the family's parish, All Saints Catholic Church. The Zimmerman children attended Catholic school through eighth grade, then public high school. The family moved to Florida about a decade ago. George married Shellie Nicole Dean, a cosmetologist, in 2007.

[Ronin13]

The fact that Zimmerman is actually Mexican just makes it all weirder (of course he has a Jewish sounding name, so that might help explain why he was targeted).
Half. Zimmerman is as much white as Obama is... let that sink in a bit. The fact that Z's mom and Barry's dad are of different races is a major factor in this is bewildering.

[gos]

He's of white (father) and peruvian (mother) parents. That doesn't make him "Mexican".

http://theweek.com/article/index/226131/george-zimmerman-what-we-know-about-trayvon-martins-killer
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Pretty sure they said he was Hispanic, not Mexican.

[Gman]

Zimmerman is as much white as Obama is... let that sink in a bit.
That gets right to the point.

[Ronin13]

That gets right to the point.
Barry O had more in common with George than he did with Trayvon... ie: mixed race/half-white.

[Zundfolge]

He's of white (father) and peruvian (mother) parents. That doesn't make him "Mexican".

Ok, fine, "Hispanic" (a dumb word anyway, shouldn't "Hispanic" be limited to Dominicans and Haitians?)

Whatever, PC is annoying ... the point is he's not what would be classically considered "White".

[mtnhack]

Agreed, however the frightening thing is that it was also an engineered anomaly. The more I think about it I think this entire case was blown out of proportion and distorted by the leftist run media to achieve two main goals:..
You left out the most important agenda/motive; refocus the attack on firearms.

[tmleadr03]

Ok, fine, "Hispanic" (a dumb word anyway, shouldn't "Hispanic" be limited to Dominicans and Haitians?)

Whatever, PC is annoying ... the point is he's not what would be classically considered "White".

Buddy of mine in the Marines hatted that word.

"Why do they have to put the word PANIC in my peoples name?"


"Oh, and fuck Spic and Span racist fucking cleaning solution!"

[Zundfolge]

You left out the most important agenda/motive; refocus the attack on firearms.

I don't think that was their primary agenda/motive ... that's the icing they hope to put on this shit cake they're making.

[MrPrena]

Someone called Spaniard "Hispanic" and she wasn't happy with it.

[sniper7]

So is Mexicans and Spaniards are different, why do my Mexican buddies tell me that they speak Spanish when I tell them they speak Mexican?

[RblDiver]

So is Mexicans and Spaniards are different, why do my Mexican buddies tell me that they speak Spanish when I tell them they speak Mexican?

Well, just like we speak English :P

[Gman]

England and America, 2 countries separated by a....big ocean.

[UrbanWolf]

Facebook folks are calling the US flag burning rally Progresses...... I see nothing but disgusting people getting off their job and doing meaningless shit on the street.

[brokenscout]

Jobs?lol

[brokenscout]

I'd like to see someone do that in front of me;)

[UrbanWolf]

They are burning the Flag.

http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q668/RadScorpius/1002835_571813439527574_1835395042_n_zps3f05e6fd.j pg

[cofi]

I'd like to see someone do that in front of me;)
What would you you do? While it's a disgusting act and I don't agree with it it's there right as Americans to do it(although imo they can gtfo)

[Gman]

There's always that oasis known as Liberia that will welcome them.

[brokenscout]

We all live our life in diff ways, they can choose to burn the American flag & I can also choose to do whatever i'd like to
What would you you do? While it's a disgusting act and I don't agree with it it's there right as Americans to do it(although imo they can gtfo)

[muddywings]

i think this clip from the CNN interview of one of the jurors sums everything up perfectly:

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/07/16/ac-sot-juror-b37-zimmerman-heart-in-right-place.cnn.html

[ben4372]

What a breath of fresh air. A reasonable gal. What's she look like? I'll use my imagination.

i think this clip from the CNN interview of one of the jurors sums everything up perfectly:

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/07/16/ac-sot-juror-b37-zimmerman-heart-in-right-place.cnn.html

[Dave]

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/jogger-says-he-was-attacked-in-retaliation-for-zimmerman-verdict-2.html

[Ronin13]

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/jogger-says-he-was-attacked-in-retaliation-for-zimmerman-verdict-2.html
It has begun... [Shake]

[sniper7]

Well, just like we speak English :P

I thought we spoke engrish.

Maybe I need to change it and say I speak 'merican.

[sniper7]

That clip was nice to hear. A voice of reason from someone who listened to the facts. Not an emotion filled irrational spew of media regurgitation.

[Gman]

Of course the Drive-by Media only heard her say that George Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten out of the car.

[cstone]

Of course the Drive-by Media only heard her say that George Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten out of the car.

IMO GZ should not have gotten out of his vehicle. I think that was a tactical mistake.

IMO getting out of a vehicle and making mistakes should not get a man put in jail or completely ruin his life.

Only GZ knows what happened right before he shot TM. There was not enough evidence to prove GZ's story to be untrue and therefore there was reasonable doubt about who was responsible for the death of TM.

A jury of citizens heard the evidence that was presented and they rendered a decision regarding GZ's guilt. The jury decided that GZ was not guilty.

I was upset when the jury decided that OJ was not guilty. I didn't burn flags or protest. I expressed my opinion and moved on. I guess some people express themselves differently.

I don't want to live in a world where everyone agrees with me.

Be safe.

[MrPrena]

I strongly think leaving the car to search or even take a peep at a subject for detail description (who knows what) is a mistake.

However, it is not a mistake to get him 2nd degree murder nor manslaughter charge.

[davsel]

i think this clip from the CNN interview of one of the jurors sums everything up perfectly:

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/07/16/ac-sot-juror-b37-zimmerman-heart-in-right-place.cnn.html

After listening to this juror, I'm surprised George was not found guilty.

"He went above and beyond what he really should have done"..."Should have stayed in his car." He was not on an African safari. He is concerned for his neighborhood. He acted in accordance with being a man. He was not looking for trouble, trouble found him. He was prepared for an eventuality in which he would need to defend himself or someone else. He was attacked by a street thug who thought he could beat the crap out of a smaller man in the dark and then go off and brag about it as he had in previous fights (sucker punches). TM picked on the wrong guy this time, and payed the price.

"I feel sorry for Trayvon." One less piece of shit on the street. Thank God he didn't continue on the path he was on and end up really hurting or killing someone. Trayvon's parents failed him. The school he sometimes attended failed him. He became a product of his environment. For this I feel sorry for him, but for attacking someone for no apparent reason and coming up short, I say F 'em. His parents should be run out of town for creating this thug. Instead, they went on a tour with the black agitators and passed around the hat for donations. Their tour even took them to London. They were awarded a $1M "wrongful death" settlement from the Florida Home Owner's association. All because their punk-ass kid, who they didn't even know was dead until the next day, committed a felonious assault on someone while suspended from school, and got himself killed.

"He profiled him because he was the neighborhood watch, and profiled anyone that came in acting strange." This I can completely agree with. However, I am sick of hearing about racial profiling. Yes, I racially profile every day. Black yutes are disproportionately responsible for violent crime. Pit Bull Terriers are disproportionately responsible for violent attacks. If I see three Pit Bulls coming down the sidewalk by themselves, I am going to be wary of their actions and probably get out of their way. If three black yutes are coming down the sidewalk at night and I am alone, I am going to be wary of their actions and probably get out of their way. Statistically speaking, it is the smart, educated thing to do. It pays to be suspicious of others, and aware of your surroundings. It's why I carry.

It is apparent to me that this event is getting twisted into a "gun violence" debate instead of a worthless thug debate. "George should have stayed in his car." "He didn't have to shoot him." I guess George should have taken his beating and learned to stay inside his locked home or vehicle at all times. The streets are not safe, so stay home. Well, kiss my ass. It is time to take back our neighborhoods from these punks. Hopefully, the lesson learned from this encounter is to not put your hands on someone else - they may shoot you.
[Bang]

[cofi]

"He profiled him because he was the neighborhood watch, and profiled anyone that came in acting strange." This I can completely agree with. However, I am sick of hearing about racial profiling. Yes, I racially profile every day. Black yutes are disproportionately responsible for violent crime. Pit Bull Terriers are disproportionately responsible for violent attacks. If I see three Pit Bulls coming down the sidewalk by themselves, I am going to be wary of their actions and probably get out of their way. If three black yutes are coming down the sidewalk at night and I am alone, I am going to be wary of their actions and probably get out of their way. Statistically speaking, it is the smart, educated thing to do. It pays to be suspicious of others, and aware of your surroundings. It's why I carry.

[Bang]

The odds of a pit bull biting you is next to nothing


http://americanpitbullregistry.com/unwaranted%20negative%20stigma.html

human aggressiveness is a frowned on trait that has been bred out of them there whole existence...they are bred to work closely with humans

It's like how the media says all these gun owners are dangerous and go on spree shootings

[muddywings]

The odds of a pit bull biting you is next to nothing


http://americanpitbullregistry.com/unwaranted%20negative%20stigma.html

human aggressiveness is a frowned on trait that has been bred out of them there whole existence...they are bred to work closely with humans

It's like how the media says all these gun owners are dangerous and go on spree shootings

Sorry...but just gotta raise you with that one: http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2012.php

[tmleadr03]

Sorry...but just gotta raise you with that one: http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2012.php

So what your saying is that if you are going to be attacked and killed by a dog it will most likely be a pit bull. But the chances of that are not what one would say is high...

[Bailey Guns]

I just watched a VIDEO (http://video.foxnews.com/v/2546520123001/) of Alan Dershowitz on Huckabee absolutely verbally mangling Angela Corey and her behavior in bringing this case. Aside from TM, Corey is the real criminal in this legal fiasco.

[Great-Kazoo]

Just another "religion of peace" What that saying? A picture is worth a thousand words

http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-protesters-raid-la-store-075210080.html


Protesters ran through Los Angeles streets Monday night, breaking windows, attacking people on sidewalks and at one point raiding a Wal-Mart store, while others blocked a major freeway in the San Francisco Bay Area in the third night of demonstrations in California over George Zimmerman's Florida acquittal in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

[muddywings]

So what your saying is that if you are going to be attacked and killed by a dog it will most likely be a pit bull. But the chances of that are not what one would say is high...

yeaaaahhhh...sounds about right. I'm good with that.
I'll also say that I give no more validity to my site than that of the other site. I'm sure we all here know plenty about how statistics really 'work.'

Luckily I was pretty quick and nimble as a 7 y/o and was able to jump a neighbors fence when a pitbull or pb/variant came after me on the way home from school. Some pudgy kid wasn't as fast and nimble 3 days later when he got his leg mauled up pretty good. I guess the doggy went for a long nap.

Will freely admit I have a thing against the breed.

[Ronin13]

Will freely admit I have a thing against the breed.
There are no bad breeds, just bad owners... that said: [ontopic]

[muddywings]

There are no bad breeds, just bad owners... that said: [ontopic]

Very true.....damm...my bad!

[davsel]

Couldn't agree more.
Nugent makes sense - again.

From: http://rare.us/story/nugent-zimmerman-verdict-vindicates-citizen-patrols-self-defense/


Here’s the lesson from all this, America: Teach your children to not attack people for no good reason whatsoever. Conduct yourself in a responsible, civil manner, and everything will be just fine. Try to kill someone and that someone just may be exercising his or her Second Amendment rights and you could get shot. It’s called self-defense, and it is the oldest, strongest and most righteous instinct and God-given right known to man.

[mtnhack]

That dickhead Holder is calling for the repeal of all "Stand Your Ground Laws".


So my question is, why do we need SYGLs? Have there been cases of self defense where the attacked victim was convicted of a crime because he supposedly "could have run away", but instead defended his life by injuring or killing an attacker?



In my mind, GZ exhibited self defense from Martin's attack and didn't need the SYG law. That is why he did not go through a special SYG hearing, right?



Holder's bs presser is just another attack on our 2A rights and is just using the uproar from the idiot masses to gain a "common sense" starting point from which to attack and remove us from our right to bear arms.

[davsel]

Before SYG, some states had a "duty to retreat" clause before deadly force could be used against an aggressor.

My questions are, why do we need a NAACP? Why is the USAG speaking at a NAACP conference? Why do we have a Congressional Black Caucus?
I thought it was illegal to divide on race within our govt.

ETA: Zimmerman was found Not Guilty based on Self Defense, not SYG. It was not a part of this trial. Comments by the media and even the juror who has spoken up are incorrect when they inject SYG into the Zimmerman case.

[muddywings]

That dickhead Holder is calling for the repeal of all "Stand Your Ground Laws".


So my question is, why do we need SYGLs? Have there been cases of self defense where the attacked victim was convicted of a crime because he supposedly "could have run away", but instead defended his life by injuring or killing an attacker?

In my mind, GZ exhibited self defense from Martin's attack and didn't need the SYG law. That is why he did not go through a special SYG hearing, right?

Holder's bs presser is just another attack on our 2A rights and is just using the uproar from the idiot masses to gain a "common sense" starting point from which to attack and remove us from our right to bear arms.

From my understanding, yes, they didn't go through SYG hearing because it didn't apply. It's tough to 'stand your ground' when you are on your back getting pummelled.
Also, while CO has a Castle Doctrine:
18-1-704.5. Use of deadly physical force against an intruder
(1) The general assembly hereby recognizes that the citizens of Colorado have a right to expect absolute safety within their own homes.

(2) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 18-1-704 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=3e215b2736a197e21ebdf32a04acc23d&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-1-704.5%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=2&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-1-704&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzB-zSkAb&_md5=671f4dcc24be8ec5558a2502bef39f92), any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including deadly physical force, against another person when that other person has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant.

(3) Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including deadly physical force, in accordance with the provisions of subsection (2) of this section shall be immune from criminal prosecution for the use of such force.

(4) Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including deadly physical force, in accordance with the provisions of subsection (2) of this section shall be immune from any civil liability for injuries or death resulting from the use of such force.

It does not have SYG so you should retreat here in CO to the max extent possible. 18-1-704 does not have a subsection such as 704.5 where it would apply anywhere beyond your home.
18-1-704. Use of physical force in defense of a person
(1) Except as provided in subsections (2) and (3) of this section, a person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by that other person, and he may use a degree of force which he reasonably believes to be necessary for that purpose.

(2) Deadly physical force may be used only if a person reasonably believes a lesser degree of force is inadequate and:

(a) The actor has reasonable ground to believe, and does believe, that he or another person is in imminent danger of being killed or of receiving great bodily injury; or

(b) The other person is using or reasonably appears about to use physical force against an occupant of a dwelling or business establishment while committing or attempting to commit burglary as defined in sections 18-4-202 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=4d0d89eb89d0a37764aaa7190b6a8d70&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-1-704%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=2&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-4-202&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzB-zSkAb&_md5=234107d28d634440c78e8d486ed4d610) to 18-4-204 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=4d0d89eb89d0a37764aaa7190b6a8d70&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-1-704%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=3&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-4-204&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzB-zSkAb&_md5=d0bf66a5400cdb17cf37ec3cd583d67c); or

(c) The other person is committing or reasonably appears about to commit kidnapping as defined in section 18-3-301 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=4d0d89eb89d0a37764aaa7190b6a8d70&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-1-704%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=4&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-3-301&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzB-zSkAb&_md5=bd6521607125991da9877611c5b27a2f) or 18-3-302 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=4d0d89eb89d0a37764aaa7190b6a8d70&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-1-704%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=5&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-3-302&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzB-zSkAb&_md5=a53d272c604ab9e81bf13b413af5f45d), robbery as defined insection 18-4-301 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=4d0d89eb89d0a37764aaa7190b6a8d70&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-1-704%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=6&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-4-301&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzB-zSkAb&_md5=e1f50ba547908450d8563b102af9a194) or 18-4-302 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=4d0d89eb89d0a37764aaa7190b6a8d70&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-1-704%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=7&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-4-302&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzB-zSkAb&_md5=5ec49f324a848c03d9811f173e1fa1ba), sexual assault as set forth in section 18-3-402 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=4d0d89eb89d0a37764aaa7190b6a8d70&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-1-704%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=8&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-3-402&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzB-zSkAb&_md5=bb43b1269827a7a17119ddaeeb29c288), or in section 18-3-403 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=4d0d89eb89d0a37764aaa7190b6a8d70&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-1-704%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=9&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-3-403&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzB-zSkAb&_md5=51f584d7283168a3b1d63350367136ee) as it existed prior to July 1, 2000, or assault as defined in sections 18-3-202 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=4d0d89eb89d0a37764aaa7190b6a8d70&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-1-704%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=10&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-3-202&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzB-zSkAb&_md5=d64edb9155f2f26abb6097aecf4e99bc) and 18-3-203 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=4d0d89eb89d0a37764aaa7190b6a8d70&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-1-704%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=11&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-3-203&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzB-zSkAb&_md5=703f19fe210090e8674c2c0fc9a76058).

(3) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (1) of this section, a person is not justified in using physical force if:

(a) With intent to cause bodily injury or death to another person, he provokes the use of unlawful physical force by that other person; or

(b) He is the initial aggressor; except that his use of physical force upon another person under the circumstances is justifiable if he withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates to the other person his intent to do so, but the latter nevertheless continues or threatens the use of unlawful physical force; or

(c) The physical force involved is the product of a combat by agreement not specifically authorized by law.

(4) In a case in which the defendant is not entitled to a jury instruction regarding self-defense as an affirmative defense, the court shall allow the defendant to present evidence, when relevant, that he or she was acting in self-defense. If the defendant presents evidence of self-defense, the court shall instruct the jury with a self-defense law instruction. The court shall instruct the jury that it may consider the evidence of self-defense in determining whether the defendant acted recklessly, with extreme indifference, or in a criminally negligent manner. However, the self-defense law instruction shall not be an affirmative defense instruction and the prosecuting attorney shall not have the burden of disproving self-defense. This section shall not apply to strict liability crimes.

From my understanding and need for further research, CO does (or at least used to) lean towards a SYG in a de facto sense. I personally wouldn't test it and would try to escape and evade (in public...in my house, you a dead mofo) to the max extent possible.

[hatidua]

Why is the USAG speaking at a NAACP conference?

Because he's colored and advanced -and the NAACP is an association for the advancement of colored people.

[BushMasterBoy]

This article states Trayvon attacked Zimmerman because he thought he was gay! Apparently Trayvon was offended by being followed by a "gay" man... http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/07/new-talking-point-trayvon-martin-was-real-bigot-because-he-thought-zimmerman-was-gay/67235/

[brokenscout]

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/urge-doj-leave-george-zimmerman-alone-and-let-him-get-back-normal-life-he-can-possibly-have/jFYKfw8r

[Great-Kazoo]

This article states Trayvon attacked Zimmerman because he thought he was gay! Apparently Trayvon was offended by being followed by a "gay" man... http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/07/new-talking-point-trayvon-martin-was-real-bigot-because-he-thought-zimmerman-was-gay/67235/

So what. That shit don't matter to an agenda driven, race bating group of people. ALL they want is JUSTICE for Trademark, and another 5 million in damages.

[BushMasterBoy]

Well I signed the White House petition urging the black president to tell the black attorney general to stop harassing the White Hispanic...lol

[n8tive97]

So Zimmerman is a white hispanic, but Barry is black!!!

I am so sick of these people in Washington!

[trlcavscout]

This article states Trayvon attacked Zimmerman because he thought he was gay! Apparently Trayvon was offended by being followed by a "gay" man... http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/07/new-talking-point-trayvon-martin-was-real-bigot-because-he-thought-zimmerman-was-gay/67235/

So he was attempting to violate Zimmerman's civil rights because he believed he was gay. Classic.

[davsel]

This article states Trayvon attacked Zimmerman because he thought he was gay! Apparently Trayvon was offended by being followed by a "gay" man... http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/07/new-talking-point-trayvon-martin-was-real-bigot-because-he-thought-zimmerman-was-gay/67235/

Barry has more in common with George than with Trademark.
Both are half white and have been suspected of pursuing the African butthole sex.

[davsel]

From: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/07/16/dear-eric-holder-we-have-the-evidence-you-seek/

Dear Eric Holder – We Have The Evidence You Seek (http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/07/16/dear-eric-holder-we-have-the-evidence-you-seek/)

http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/mellon-park-rally.jpg?w=640&h=356

http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/mellon-park-flyer.jpg?w=640&h=880

[trlcavscout]

I emailed them to see about joining. I don't wanna miss no hate whitey parties!!!


Bwahahaha wanna see how many times I can call the black pansies tomorrow? I do :)

[clublights]

SO Question ..........


The feds raid and arrest that Adam Kokosh guy for loading a shotgun in DC on video...... But
There are pics of people ( in this thread) holding weapons ( even the dreaded "Assault Rifle") and making direct threats on Zimmermans life and..


NOTHING.

WHAT

THE

FUCK

??

I don't agree with the way Adam K is doing things but really???

[Great-Kazoo]

SO Question ..........


The feds raid and arrest that Adam Kokosh guy for loading a shotgun in DC on video...... But
There are pics of people ( in this thread) holding weapons ( even the dreaded "Assault Rifle") and making direct threats on Zimmermans life and..


NOTHING.

WHAT

THE

FUCK

??

I don't agree with the way Adam K is doing things but really???

It's all about bringing people together and holding a meaningful dialogue about race relations. The burning down any and everything within reach.

[BushMasterBoy]

SO Question ..........


The feds raid and arrest that Adam Kokosh guy for loading a shotgun in DC on video...... But
There are pics of people ( in this thread) holding weapons ( even the dreaded "Assault Rifle") and making direct threats on Zimmermans life and..


NOTHING.

WHAT

THE

FUCK

??

I don't agree with the way Adam K is doing things but really??? You really expecting a black president and a black attorney general to go after the "New Black Panthers"? They are this administrations "fifth column" so to speak...Obama & Holder are NOT the Kennedy brothers.

[GilpinGuy]

I am SO FUCKING SICK OF THE FAKE RACIAL SHIT being slung around the media. It's getting worse and I only see bad things coming because of it. Our "Pretender in Cheif" only makes things worse.

[trlcavscout]

The U.S Department of Justice is asking civil rights groups and community leaders to “actively refer anyone who [has] any information” that might help bring federal criminal charges against George Zimmerman, who was recently acquitted by a jury in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

The DOJ has reportedly set up a public email address to take in tips on its civil rights investigation. The department is hoping to get tips from across the nation as well as locally in Sanford, Fla.

That email address, which is now “in operation,” is Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov.

It is unclear why, if officials saw enough reason to open an investigation in the first place, the DOJ now needs tips to help with its probe into Zimmerman.

Barbara Arnwine, president and executive director the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, said the DOJ during a conference called on individuals and groups “to actively refer anyone who had any information” that might build a case against Zimmerman for a civil rights violation or a hate crime, according to the Orlando Sentinel.

“They said they would very aggressively investigate this case,” she added.

Just seen this on face book

[clublights]

The U.S Department of Justice is asking civil rights groups and community leaders to “actively refer anyone who [has] any information” that might help bring federal criminal charges against George Zimmerman, who was recently acquitted by a jury in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

The DOJ has reportedly set up a public email address to take in tips on its civil rights investigation. The department is hoping to get tips from across the nation as well as locally in Sanford, Fla.

That email address, which is now “in operation,” is Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov.

It is unclear why, if officials saw enough reason to open an investigation in the first place, the DOJ now needs tips to help with its probe into Zimmerman.

Barbara Arnwine, president and executive director the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, said the DOJ during a conference called on individuals and groups “to actively refer anyone who had any information” that might build a case against Zimmerman for a civil rights violation or a hate crime, according to the Orlando Sentinel.

“They said they would very aggressively investigate this case,” she added.

Just seen this on face book

WEll it's official .....

they are gunna railroad him on a civil rights case...........

people that have never met him are going to email saying how racist he is.. How zimmerman used to sneak thru the night trying to eat little black babies....

Can't find the facts you want??

MAKE EM UP!

[GilpinGuy]

The U.S Department of Justice is asking civil rights groups and community leaders to “actively refer anyone who [has] any information” that might help bring federal criminal charges against George Zimmerman, who was recently acquitted by a jury in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

The DOJ has reportedly set up a public email address to take in tips on its civil rights investigation. The department is hoping to get tips from across the nation as well as locally in Sanford, Fla.

That email address, which is now “in operation,” is Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov.

It is unclear why, if officials saw enough reason to open an investigation in the first place, the DOJ now needs tips to help with its probe into Zimmerman.

Barbara Arnwine, president and executive director the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, said the DOJ during a conference called on individuals and groups “to actively refer anyone who had any information” that might build a case against Zimmerman for a civil rights violation or a hate crime, according to the Orlando Sentinel.

“They said they would very aggressively investigate this case,” she added.

Just seen this on face book

This is literally a modern day witch hunt. By the .gov. Bad shit coming......

[brokenscout]

Well if there was ever any doubt, the system is broke(the GOV). This has the potential to get very bad, very quick. GZ could be anyone of Us

[sniper7]

Wow this is insane and going waaaaaay too damn far.

[Gman]

I want my country back.

[generalmeow]

George Zimmerman was a democrat. I wonder if he still is.

[Singlestack]

The mentally unstable, race baiters, liberals, progressives, marxists, socialists, and those of their ilk who believe the ends justify the means will use this opportunity to lie out of thin air and fabricate racist charges against GZ. There is a 100% certainty that this "exercise" will gin up enough for a civil rights trial. How do you prove you have never met someone - just your word vs theirs. But when you have 50 or 100 nutjobs all saying you are a racist, and you only have your own word, what can you do?

This is nothing more than solid evidence of the current police state. When the top law enforcement entity in the country is continually lawless, unethical, and downright evil, this is what happens. I really don't know how the country survives until the 2016 elections - 3.5 years is an awfully long time.

[Stevensje]

The Jury has spoken. What the hell is Holder and Obama doing? They are justifying the rioting by announcing a civil suite investigation. What is a civil suite investigation? There is either a Suite or not! Thanks for segregating our country even more!

[muddywings]

I am SO FUCKING SICK OF THE FAKE RACIAL SHIT being slung around the media. It's getting worse and I only see bad things coming because of it. Our "Pretender in Cheif" only makes things worse.

Anybody else feel that even though the USA has finally passed the racial barrier and elected our first Black/African American President, not once but twice, that our race relations has been set back 20 years by him?
I didn't vote for the guy but when he was elected I felt, 'well, at least we finally overcame that barrier.' Honestly, I have to say regardless of F&F, Benghazi, Obamacare and even gun control push, this issue right here with his two statements (before and after) have really help to tear this country apart. That is not what a President should be doing. Makes me sad. :(

[brokenscout]

JUst pushing race on the sheeple to distract from the other issues, maybe get martial law[Coffee]more gun control

[roberth]

The mentally unstable, race baiters, liberals, progressives, marxists, socialists, and those of their ilk who believe the ends justify the means will use this opportunity to lie out of thin air and fabricate racist charges against GZ. There is a 100% certainty that this "exercise" will gin up enough for a civil rights trial. How do you prove you have never met someone - just your word vs theirs. But when you have 50 or 100 nutjobs all saying you are a racist, and you only have your own word, what can you do?

This is nothing more than solid evidence of the current police state. When the top law enforcement entity in the country is continually lawless, unethical, and downright evil, this is what happens. I really don't know how the country survives until the 2016 elections - 3.5 years is an awfully long time.

Thank you.

The next 4 years are going to be interesting.

[mtnhack]

JUst pushing race on the sheeple to distract from the other issues, maybe get martial law more gun controlThis is exactly it. They see the support for gun control fall off the table so they manufacture this as a race issue, thereby splitting off more than half the country. They think they can now say to them "see, the real issue is guns" and they instantly boost the support for "sensible gun control" back up to sheeple numbers.

[asmo]

So with all the whining... WHAT IN THE F*&K ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

[palepainter]

Anybody else feel that even though the USA has finally passed the racial barrier and elected our first Black/African American President, not once but twice, that our race relations has been set back 20 years by him?
I didn't vote for the guy but when he was elected I felt, 'well, at least we finally overcame that barrier.' Honestly, I have to say regardless of F&F, Benghazi, Obamacare and even gun control push, this issue right here with his two statements (before and after) have really help to tear this country apart. That is not what a President should be doing. Makes me sad. :(

This is exactly how I felt. I grew up in a very racially divided town in NW PA. I spent summers staying with my elderly grandmother helping her out where I could. She lived in a low income housing project just a block away from General Electric plant in Erie. I did that paying a price. I was constantly jumped and beaten just for being white. I learned how to street fight at the age of 12. It was never one on one. Always multiples. She was robbed and her apt was broken into and she was beaten by the black men who had broken in. This went on for a few years until my grand mother passed away. I never told my parents, I just told them that I was injured playing sandlot football. I loved my grandmother very much and did not want my parents keeping me from being able to stay with her and help her out.

I spent the remainder of my child hood seeing the division on the football field when ever the county teams would play the city teams. I never seen it coming from the white county boys, always the city kids. I especially remember how much racism was thrown my way playing in the Save an Eye City vs County Allstar game, which I was honored to be a part of. I moved away about 10 years after high school, always aware of where I was and who was around me.

I was somewhat relieved to see that our country had gotten past all of this when Obama was elected. Boy was I wrong. It truly has spun the the hands of time back a few decades. I have many great friends of color. I would do anything for them. It was easy for me to forget all of the racial ass beatings I took when I was young, but it appears not the same case on the other side. My distant family fought in the civil war ,many lost many of us "Learns". Should I be bitter about that? I don't think so. Should I be bitter about the gangs of kids attacking me and stealing anything I had on me when I was a kid, I do not think so.

[davsel]

NICE !
Nugent is on point - again.

From: http://rare.us/story/nugent-zimmerman-should-sue-trayvons-parents/

Trayvon Martin’s vicious attack on George Zimmerman (http://rare.us/not-guilty-zimmerman-verdict/) and Martin’s tragic death have no doubt surely dragged Mr. Zimmerman through 18 months of untold emotional hell, pain, distress, anguish, fatigue, nightmares and financial ruin. Again, following the narrative of the pro-Trayvon media types and other race-baiters, if Trayvon Martin was a minor, then Trayvon Martin’s parents may be held liable for the emotional pain and suffering Mr. Zimmerman has been put through for the past 18 months, and surely for the rest of his life.

[trlcavscout]

On a side note the black pansies received some prank calls today, and for a minister he is not a nice person, I think he has anger issues.

[3beansalad]

You see this yet? Dude was huge! http://www.ijreview.com/2013/07/65465-the-trayvon-martin-picture-the-mainstream-media-dont-want-you-to-see/

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[hatidua]

Anybody else feel that even though the USA has finally passed the racial barrier and elected our first Black/African American President, not once but twice, that our race relations has been set back 20 years by him?

I agree, but racism is never going to end - regardless of who is in office. Obama may have rolled back the clock but racism is here for eternity. It won't end in my lifetime, it won't end ever. I'm not advocating, merely being realistic.

When you go to a country that is entirely black, they have a pigment-hierarchy that favors those who are a lighter shade of black. Those who ascend to elected positions or heads of industry are more often (not always) a lighter shade. I grew up overseas as one of the only white people where I lived. As a youngster I found it odd that people would use umbrellas on beautiful sunny days....nobody wanted to get any darker than they were as lighter pigmentation was favored.

World Peace, the end of racism, nuclear eradication, honest politicians, Etc. - unachievable pipe dreams that exist in the minds of the deluded, it's simply not going to happen.

[muddywings]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a70_1374030948

[clublights]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a70_1374030948


[Wow2]

we need a slow clap emoticon......

[hatidua]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a70_1374030948

4:31 - "Ain't no Jeeeezusss in yew!".

I forecast his being released from his preaching duties post-haste. Going against the grain isn't going to fly in that community.

[crashdown]

Google: Pastor James David Manning.....
Holy Shit! I don't know what to think after watching a few of his sermons.

[crashdown]

4:31 - "Ain't no Jeeeezusss in yew!".

I forecast his being released from his preaching duties post-haste. Going against the grain isn't going to fly in that community.
He has been doing it this way since the 80's.... You gotta watch his videos... I'm still in shock.

[Great-Kazoo]

Google: Pastor James David Manning.....
Holy Shit! I don't know what to think after watching a few of his sermons.

Whoa a servant of the lord in the elevator with me.

ALL THE POT SMOKERS SAY YEAH.


AMEN to the preacher for tellin it like it is

[Bailey Guns]

I think the pastor was being polite.

[Ronin13]

That was one helluva sermon! I like him! [Beer]

[bellavite1]

That was one helluva sermon! I like him! [Beer]
+1 (IMMAGINE THAT!)[LOL]

[Ronin13]

+1 (IMMAGINE THAT!)[LOL]
Yeah, I'm surprised at that... are you feeling okay today Luigi? [ROFL1]
I see the point here, regardless, you don't have to be religious (or in this case the kind of religion doesn't matter) to see that this pastor makes a great point... Color before all else is wrong.

[Mick-Boy]

I just saw this article and thought it might be food for thought for the "No 17 year old anywhere could possibly be a threat to me" crowd. This shining example of citizenship is being indicted for capital murder (killing Officer Molina). I've quoted the relevant part of the article (http://www.elpasotimes.com/tablehome/ci_21843760/teen-accused-el-paso-officers-fatal-beating-indicted?source=rss_viewed).


While Molina was talking, Gonzalez "struck the victim on the face and then grabbed his legs and threw him to the concrete. (Gonzalez) then got on top of the victim and continued to punch him in the face," the document states. Police said that Molina was knocked unconscious when his head hit the ground, and that Gonzalez continued the assault despite Molina's being unable to defend himself.

[Kraven251]

I saw this and liked it, I may have to pay attention to more of this guy's stuff. (if a repost, my apologies and talk tot he guy on the left)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjV9dzE_J_U&amp;feature=c4-overview&amp;playnext=1&amp;list=TLjscg-NWzSk8

[robertcolorado2009]

I think he's got it right! This pastor is being very realistic and truthful. Not JUST black.

[Zundfolge]

Massad Ayoob's take on the Zimmerman case.

Part 1 (http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2013/07/13/the-zimmerman-verdict-part-1/)
Part 2 (http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2013/07/16/zimmerman-verdict-part-2-the-unarmed-teen/) - The "Unarmed Teen"
Part 3 (http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2013/07/17/zimmerman-verdict-part-3-who-started-it/) - Who Started It?

Case Closed :)

[trlcavscout]

I saw this and liked it, I may have to pay attention to more of this guy's stuff. (if a repost, my apologies and talk tot he guy on the left)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjV9dzE_J_U&amp;feature=c4-overview&amp;playnext=1&amp;list=TLjscg-NWzSk8

Awesome video from a very intelligent individual. "Grand cougar" hahaha

[Dave]

http://news.yahoo.com/black-americas-real-problem-isnt-white-racism-070000529.html

Might be a repost, sorry if it is.

[Ronin13]

Massad Ayoob's take on the Zimmerman case.

Part 1 (http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2013/07/13/the-zimmerman-verdict-part-1/)
Part 2 (http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2013/07/16/zimmerman-verdict-part-2-the-unarmed-teen/) - The "Unarmed Teen"
Part 3 (http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2013/07/17/zimmerman-verdict-part-3-who-started-it/) - Who Started It?

Case Closed :)
That was very well written, Mr Ayoob sure does reiterate a lot of good points I've heard during this whole fiasco, such as:
"When Zimmerman lost sight of Martin, the latter was a very short distance from home. Yet in the four minutes thereafter, he had to have left that location and gone toward Zimmerman’s."
"And if Martin really believed he was in danger from the man watching him, why didn’t he simply call the police from the phone he was already speaking on?"
[Beer]
Too bad so many useful idiots that think with emotion rather than reason and obviously have zero faith in our justice system won't agree with those plain and simple thoughts.

[mtnhack]

Charles Barkley agrees with George Zimmerman verdict (at the same time obama admits he would have been high and beating on anyone that &quot;followed&quot; him 35 years ago (paraphrasing))

Charles Barkley has never been one to shy away from controversy, and on Thursday he weighed in with his opinion on the George Zimmerman (http://www.latimes.com/topic/crime-law-justice/crimes/george-zimmerman-PECLB0000014809.topic) verdict.

"Well, I agree with the verdict," Barkley told CNBC (http://www.latimes.com/topic/economy-business-finance/media-industry/cnbc-%28tv-network%29-ORCRP0000017186.topic). "I feel sorry that young kid got killed, but they didn't have enough evidence to charge him. Something clearly went wrong that night - clearly something went wrong - and I feel bad for anybody who loses a kid, but if you looked at the case and you don't make it - there was some racial profiling, no question about it - but something happened that changed the dynamic of that night."

Barkley added that because of the lack of evidence, he doesn't think that Zimmerman should go to jail "for the rest of his life."

"Mr. Zimmerman was wrong to pursue, he was racial profiling, but I think Trayvon Martin (http://www.latimes.com/topic/crime-law-justice/crimes/crime-victims/trayvon-martin-PEOCVC000188.topic) - God rest his soul - I think he did flip the switch and started beating the hell out of Mr. Zimmerman. But it was just a bad situation," Barkley said.

Barkley, 50, went on to express disappointment in what he perceived as racism in the media.

"I just feel bad because I don't like when race gets out in the media because I don't think the media has a "pure heart," as I call it," Barkley said. "There are very few people who have a pure heart when it comes to race. Racism is wrong in any shape [or] form - there are a lot of black people who are racist, too. I think sometimes when people talk about race, they act like only white people are racist. There are a lot of black people who are racist. And I don't like when it gets out there in the media because I don't think the media has clean hands."

[Great-Kazoo]

This sums it all up in one sentence.

There are a lot of black people who are racist

[Ronin13]

This sums it all up in one sentence.

There are a lot of black people who are racist
Statement of fact- not a racially motivated opinion: ^to this... moreso than white these days.

[generalmeow]

I just saw this article and thought it might be food for thought for the "No 17 year old anywhere could possibly be a threat to me" crowd. This shining example of citizenship is being indicted for capital murder (killing Officer Molina). I've quoted the relevant part of the article (http://www.elpasotimes.com/tablehome/ci_21843760/teen-accused-el-paso-officers-fatal-beating-indicted?source=rss_viewed).

You thought wrong. Molina isn't me, so how is it relevant? I never said a 17 year old couldn't beat other people to death in a fight, just that they couldn't beat me to death in a fight, based on the fact that they'd have to get on top of me to do it, and I have 20 years of training and results indicating that it isn't anything for me to be worried about. People can't get on top of me if I don't want them to. I won't hit my head on the concrete when someone takes me down. It doesn't mean I'm tough. It doesn't mean I can throw a punch.

Everyone else, including you, what are you saying? That 17 year olds are a potential threat, so you should carry a firearm? We'll I already do that, and at the point that I felt threatened for my life, I would use it. If someone knocked me out before I felt threatened for my life, which I acknowledge anyone could do, what difference would it make if it were you, me, if you were carrying or not, or what your position was on this issue? You're not going to draw before you feel threatened for your life.

If I got in a fight with a lone unarmed 17 year old, or most people, I wouldn't immediately draw my firearm because I wouldn't be afraid for my life. How does my position differ from yours? How does my position differ from George Zimmerman's? Are you saying that you'd draw your weapon and use it to avoid any fist fight/scuffle with any person? I assume that's what you're saying. If not, what are you saying?

What a pussified country we live in. Half the guys on this forum wouldn't help a woman being killed outside their own door, and the other half are afraid for their life in a little fist fight.

[ChunkyMonkey]

^ don't forget he also cried when folks don't want to resell their groupbuy ammo LOL... what a drama queen.. now its woman being "killed."

Anyway, Brad Thor gave a great interview on Zimmerman's 2nd amendment right while promoting his book... Watch the video.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/19/brad-thor-offers-to-buy-george-zimmerman-a-new-gun-after-doj-puts-hold-on-trial-evidence/

[Ronin13]

You thought wrong. Molina isn't me, so how is it relevant? I never said a 17 year old couldn't beat other people to death in a fight, just that they couldn't beat me to death in a fight, based on the fact that they'd have to get on top of me to do it, and I have 20 years of training and results indicating that it isn't anything for me to be worried about. People can't get on top of me if I don't want them to. I won't hit my head on the concrete when someone takes me down. It doesn't mean I'm tough. It doesn't mean I can throw a punch.
http://images.wikia.com/dragonball/images/9/9b/Watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png

[Dave_L]

And he's at it again...

http://kdvr.com/2013/07/19/obama-speaks-out-on-zimmerman-verdict/

[spyder]

What a pussified country we live in. Half the guys on this forum wouldn't help a woman being killed outside their own door, and the other half are afraid for their life in a little fist fight.
Whoa there cupcake, what half do you fit in then? I mean, just simple mathematics and all.....

[Gman]

Here we go again...let's get the wrestler an "S" to put on his singlet so we can move on.

[mtnhack]

You thought wrong. Molina isn't me, so how is it relevant? I never said a 17 year old couldn't beat other people to death in a fight, just that they couldn't beat me to death in a fight, based on the fact that they'd have to get on top of me to do it, and I have 20 years of training and results indicating that it isn't anything for me to be worried about. ...

If someone knocked me out before I felt threatened for my life, which I acknowledge anyone could do,....Full of contradictions

If I got in a fight with a lone unarmed 17 year old, or most people, I wouldn't immediately draw my firearm because I wouldn't be afraid for my life. .
This is what happened to Molina, didn't feel threatened enough to draw, sucker punched (lights out), mounted and beat to death while out.

[muddywings]

And he's at it again...

http://kdvr.com/2013/07/19/obama-speaks-out-on-zimmerman-verdict/


I think he knows they don't have a civil rights case so he is playing the race card now to prep the battlefield for when they don't charge GZ. or he is just that stupid--honestly it's a toss up.

[roberth]

And he's at it again...

http://kdvr.com/2013/07/19/obama-speaks-out-on-zimmerman-verdict/

The Messiah is auditioning to be the next sharpton or jackson, then he can add race-baiting liar to his resume which includes community organizer and teleprompter reader.

[BlasterBob]

I have felt all along that Martin did not like being challenged by Zimmerman and thought it was being "disrespectful" to him so he threw a punch that got George's nose. Then things escalated from that point. The young MAN could have responded with some diplomacy and courtesy and merely headed back home after answering politely why he was in the area....... This is just one OLD guy's worthless uncalled for thought. [blaster]

[buffalobo]

I have felt all along that Martin did not like being challenged by Zimmerman and though it was being "disrespectful" to him so he threw a punch that got George's nose. Then things escalated from that point. The young MAN could have responded with some diplomacy and courtesy and merely headed back home after answering politely why he was in the area....... This is just one OLD guy's worthless uncalled for thought. [blaster]

Looks like a 10 ring hit to me.

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[Mick-Boy]

You thought wrong. Molina isn't me, so how is it relevant? I never said a 17 year old couldn't beat other people to death in a fight, just that they couldn't beat me to death in a fight, based on the fact that they'd have to get on top of me to do it, and I have 20 years of training and results indicating that it isn't anything for me to be worried about. People can't get on top of me if I don't want them to. I won't hit my head on the concrete when someone takes me down. It doesn't mean I'm tough. It doesn't mean I can throw a punch.

Everyone else, including you, what are you saying? That 17 year olds are a potential threat, so you should carry a firearm? We'll I already do that, and at the point that I felt threatened for my life, I would use it. If someone knocked me out before I felt threatened for my life, which I acknowledge anyone could do, what difference would it make if it were you, me, if you were carrying or not, or what your position was on this issue? You're not going to draw before you feel threatened for your life.

If I got in a fight with a lone unarmed 17 year old, or most people, I wouldn't immediately draw my firearm because I wouldn't be afraid for my life. How does my position differ from yours? How does my position differ from George Zimmerman's? Are you saying that you'd draw your weapon and use it to avoid any fist fight/scuffle with any person? I assume that's what you're saying. If not, what are you saying?

What a pussified country we live in. Half the guys on this forum wouldn't help a woman being killed outside their own door, and the other half are afraid for their life in a little fist fight.


My point is that dismissing someone as a threat simply based on age can be a very dangerous and possibly fatal assumption.

In your post your said



I never said a 17 year old couldn't beat other people to death in a fight, just that they couldn't beat me to death in a fight, based on the fact that they'd have to get on top of me to do it, and I have 20 years of training and results indicating that it isn't anything for me to be worried about.

And then followed it with


If someone knocked me out before I felt threatened for my life, which I acknowledge anyone could do, what difference would it make if it were you, me, if you were carrying or not, or what your position was on this issue?

Officer Molina was, based on news stories (I know, I know), sucker punched hard enough that he didn't(couldn't?) protect his head when he was taken to the ground. The impact on the ground knocked him senseless enough that he was beaten to death....by a 17 year old.

I love earned confidence (even bordering on arrogance). Most of the guys I work with exhibit the same trait. That kind of confidence mostly comes from having been through enough that you have intimate knowledge of how you're going to react, body and mind, to a similar situation.

Blowing off an unknown factor as someone that "isn't anything to be worried about" based on your level of training is arrogance bordering on ignorance. Murphy is always a factor.

[Great-Kazoo]

I have felt all along that Martin did not like being challenged by Zimmerman and thought it was being "disrespectful" to him so he threw a punch that got George's nose. Then things escalated from that point. The young MAN could have responded with some diplomacy and courtesy and merely headed back home after answering politely why he was in the area....... This is just one OLD guy's worthless uncalled for thought. [blaster]

ONE OF THE BIGGEST STATEMENTS MADE THAT IS BEING COMPLETELY IGNORED, NOW AND THEN.
The prosecutions start witness Ms Jentel said that creepy ass cracka was used by trademark in reference to Z following him AND also used as T hinted / Jentel interpreted it to mean T thought Z was Gay , hence being followed.

As for a 17 yr old being a threat or not. Perhaps a few of you would like to tag along as we ride the subway around NY, OR Chi-town. Take a stroll through parts of Fresno, Norlins, Inner harbor area of BMO. Until you come in contact with a serious threat, you have no idea.

[bogie]

As for a 17 yr old being a threat or not. Perhaps a few of you would like to tag along as we ride the subway around NY, OR Chi-town. Take a stroll through parts of Fresno, Norlins, Inner harbor area of BMO. Until you come in contact with a serious threat, you have no idea.

^^^some people need to get out more and experience all that life has to offer.

[Great-Kazoo]

^^^some people need to get out more and experience all that life has to offer.

I have no doubt some areas i would venture in to would have a few of the "tougher" board members soiling their pants. Myself i have nor ever had any issues riding the subway's in NY. You look like a victim, you become a victim. You look weak, like the injured gazelle or zebra, you become food for the predator.

[n8tive97]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a70_1374030948

Glad someone got this right....

[BlasterBob]

Perhaps a few of you would like to tag along as we ride the subway around NY, OR Chi-town.

I rode the subway in Chicago from the far North side to the loop for years and never experienced any trouble. Of course my wife was usually along for backup and since this was years ago, I'd probably not do it now.[panic]

I used to think that carrying a little Stihl chain saw with a 10-inch blade in a leather holster would perhaps keep the perps with their switchblades away from us while using the "L"........ Never had the occasion to go that route.[LOL]

[BlasterBob]

Jim mentioned take a stroll through Fresno. We were just through there a couple years ago and couldn't believe the number of folks living UNDER the bridges on a main highway.

[SideShow Bob]

Jim mentioned take a stroll through Fresno. We were just through there a couple years ago and couldn't believe the number of folks living UNDER the bridges on a main highway.

I would venture to guess that you haven't been under I-25 from about 6th. ave. north to about I-76 or under I-70 from Wadsworth east to about Quebec lately.

[muddywings]

Can't recall if this was already in this thread. Honestly, I'm just putting it here in the cloud so I can easily find it the next time someone tells me that TM was a good kid:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/05/01/m-dspd-cover-up-the-curious-case-of-trayvon-martins-backpack-with-stolen-jewelry-and-burglary-tool/

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/04/12/part-2-the-trayvon-martin-cover-up-hurley-blows-a-gasket/

This is the best conspiracy theory tin-foil hat stuff I have seen in a while...and boy do I like wearing tin-foil!!!

[RblDiver]

A-
-FREAKING-
-MEN!

[BPTactical]

I got annoyed when a local business owner was posting this crap. Ended up breaking my own rule and making a 10 mile long rant.





When I told her I was glad that a business owner would post the above because it was a great indicator for me where not to shop, she followed it up with "Regardless of if you agree with the verdict, it's truth"

This is my response/rant: (the video link has already been posted here by someone else)

Beautiful.
I wonder how much of it they will actually read AND comprehend?

[davsel]

How did it go from this:


"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Martin Luther King, Jr. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/martin_luther_king_jr.html)


to this:


“Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them.”
Mary Frances Berry (http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/quotes-from-democrats-on-race-anti-semitism/), former Chairwoman, US Commission on Civil Rights

[Ronin13]

This is my response/rant:
And this is my response to your response...


http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/clapping/riker.gif

[TEAMRICO]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a70_1374030948


This reverend makes sense to me!

[Bailey Guns]

Your rant, trot, was articulate, full of truth and logical.

Yeah...thus it was wasted on her. But I enjoyed it.

[<MADDOG>]

pre-TM...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/pperron/detroit_zps6cd32461.jpg (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/pperron/media/detroit_zps6cd32461.jpg.html)

[RMAC757]

pre-TM...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/pperron/detroit_zps6cd32461.jpg (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/pperron/media/detroit_zps6cd32461.jpg.html)



I want to see the "after"

[Dave]

pre-TM...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/pperron/detroit_zps6cd32461.jpg (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/pperron/media/detroit_zps6cd32461.jpg.html)
Too bad that's in Cleveland. http://clevelandheights.patch.com/listings/windermere-discount-cleaners

[MrPrena]

The picture reminds me of "Naughty By Nature- Craziest" (Neutered version)
"Detroit homies are the craziest"
"Cleveland homies are the craziest"

[LOL]


http://youtu.be/0XKVOZM1bzg



pre-TM...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/pperron/detroit_zps6cd32461.jpg (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/pperron/media/detroit_zps6cd32461.jpg.html)

[cofi]

http://gawker.com/george-zimmerman-went-shopping-for-a-tactical-shotgun-1186607626

zimmerman went to the keltec factory :D

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18xuxxnwnda8wjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg

[sniper7]

He has every right to as a free man. He was trued in the legal system, found not guilty by a jury of his peers and should enjoy his freedoms.

[cofi]

He has every right to as a free man. He was trued in the legal system, found not guilty by a jury of his peers and should enjoy his freedoms.

absolutly just wanted to share the pic and article

want to get mad read the comments

[sniper7]

Some of the comments were horribly ignorant.

[JMBD2112]

ALL of the comments were horribly ignorant.

[cstone]

If GZ gets a KSG without waiting and at the MSRP, I want one too!

Equality![LOL]