Sell illegal mags to LEO in NY????

[bryjcom]

Got a message on another board from a LEO that wants to buy 10 m14 mags. Says he's LEO so its legal to own.

Sounds like he's using it for his personal collection and not his duties, but I remember all the talk about pressuring companies not to sell to LEOs if the citizens can't own one. I could use the money but part of me thinks I shouldn't just on principle alone. If its illegal for your citizens then its illegal for you.....


What would you do?


UPDATED ON POST #28 WITH MY MESSAGE BACK

[TFOGGER]

I wouldn't sell anything to anyone in New York, but that's just me. You can sell your mags to someone in a free state just as easily.

[10mm-man]

Pass

[Tinelement]

Run forest run

[bryjcom]

I hear you guys. I have no problem selling to places like CA cause I ship them as kits and EVERYONE can have those, but I have a real problem shipping it to someone for the only reason being that they have a badge.

[screagle2]

If you need to ask, then.......

[Double00]

Just say no thanks!!

[Ronin13]

I wouldn't sell anything to anyone in New York, but that's just me. You can sell your mags to someone in a free state just as easily.
THIS! Nothing to NY... I don't even say nice things about the Yankees.

[bryjcom]

If you need to ask, then.......

The darkness of money sometimes clouds my thinking.

[zteknik]

Badge or no badge I would not sell to him.Unless he has a letter from his dept. stating its for the job.And even then he might as well get them from a vendor.

[theGinsue]

My suggested reply:

"I appreciate your interest in purchasing the M14 magazines I have for sale and respect your decision to serve the people of your community in the honored profession of law enforcement. However, these items are currently restricted from ownership/possession by the citizens of your state. As such, I can not, in all good conscience, sell them to you simply because you are in an exempted class. I'd like to recommend that you continue to serve yourself and fellow New York citizens by working to overturn these draconian laws. Once again, thank you for your interest."

[AirbornePathogen]

My suggested reply:

"I appreciate your interest in purchasing the M14 magazines I have for sale and respect your decision to serve the people of your community in the honored profession of law enforcement. However, these items are currently restricted from ownership/possession by the citizens of your state. As such, I can not, in all good conscience, sell them to you simply because you are in an exempted class. I'd like to recommend that you continue to serve yourself and fellow New York citizens by working to overturn these draconian laws. Once again, thank you for your interest."

Oh yeah, second. Besides, if he's legit, he can source them a hell of a lot closer to home.

[zteknik]

My suggested reply:

"I appreciate your interest in purchasing the M14 magazines I have for sale and respect your decision to serve the people of your community in the honored profession of law enforcement. However, these items are currently restricted from ownership/possession by the citizens of your state. As such, I can not, in all good conscience, sell them to you simply because you are in an exempted class. I'd like to recommend that you continue to serve yourself and fellow New York citizens by working to overturn these draconian laws. Once again, thank you for your interest."

ECCELLENT!![Awesom]

[battle_sight_zero]

Let him deal with his states laws just like we have too. So he is a police officer and as a result he should have the same weapons and mags that the citizens of his community can buy nothing more nothing less. There should be no exemptions regarding the 2nd it should be a right for everyone regardless of what you do.

[sniper7]

Pass.

[Rooskibar03]

Negative ghost rider.

[sabot_round]

Hell no!!!

[Great-Kazoo]

1) unless he has letter head on NON- LE / Restricted mags he's SOL

2) Unless they are [without letter head] marked LE he's SOL

[Gcompact30]

Excellent Ginsue: That would be a great response.


My suggested reply:

"I appreciate your interest in purchasing the M14 magazines I have for sale and respect your decision to serve the people of your community in the honored profession of law enforcement. However, these items are currently restricted from ownership/possession by the citizens of your state. As such, I can not, in all good conscience, sell them to you simply because you are in an exempted class. I'd like to recommend that you continue to serve yourself and fellow New York citizens by working to overturn these draconian laws. Once again, thank you for your interest."

[roberth]

My suggested reply:

"I appreciate your interest in purchasing the M14 magazines I have for sale and respect your decision to serve the people of your community in the honored profession of law enforcement. However, these items are currently restricted from ownership/possession by the citizens of your state. As such, I can not, in all good conscience, sell them to you simply because you are in an exempted class. I'd like to recommend that you continue to serve yourself and fellow New York citizens by working to overturn these draconian laws. Once again, thank you for your interest."

I was thinking a simple NO but I really like this.

[sellersm]

+1 to theGinsue and jim's responses!

[Eggysrun]

I went through a similar thing a few months ago selling a rifle. Jim offered some awesome advice and I avoided a really bad transaction.

It's funny how LEO get all butt hurt when they aren't exempt from the retarded legislation over in NY. Maybe next time they'll be a little more vocal next time instead of just following party lines their unions tell them to follow and keep quiet.

[BPTactical]

One thing to consider as well, our current law prohibits transfer of mags in excess of 15 rounds. I would have to read the latest interpretation of this mess, but it may possibly be unlawful to transfer them even to an out of state party, LE or not.

Besides, way too easy for this to be a sting from a Bloomberg dolt.

Not only no, but Hayyylll no!

[Great-Kazoo]

One thing to consider as well, our current law prohibits transfer of mags in excess of 15 rounds. I would have to read the latest interpretation of this mess, but it may possibly be unlawful to transfer them even to an out of state party, LE or not.

Besides, way too easy for this to be a sting from a Bloomberg dolt.

Not only no, but Hayyylll no!

They're in NY it's NO Fukn way.

[Circuits]

One thing to consider as well, our current law prohibits transfer of mags in excess of 15 rounds. I would have to read the latest interpretation of this mess, but it may possibly be unlawful to transfer them even to an out of state party, LE or not.

Our stupid law did not even exempt FFLs - only magazine manufacturers. As far as I can tell, it's illegal for even an FFL to possess, store or transport magazines over 15 rounds they did not possess before 7/1/13, nor to receive, transfer or sell those magazines, even to exempt parties such as LE, unless they happen to be a magazine manufacturer, too.

[muddywings]

No

[bryjcom]

This is the message I sent him.


Sorry I missed your earlier message.


I was initially very conflicted about this because I could really use the money(My wife is gonna chew my ass!) , but I can not violate my principles based on the sole determination that you carry a badge. I believe firmly that "All men are created equal" and I believe that applies to citizens and public servants alike. I do not believe in "exemptions" handed down by a bunch of authoritarian criminals when it comes to the 2nd amendment.


Simply put, if your laws are changed to espouse the ideals that this country was founded on, I would be happy to sell you the mags.


I thank you for your servitude to your fellow citizens and hope that maybe messages like these might find their way onto police chiefs' desks.


Sincerely
Bryan X. XXXXXXX

[def90]

Unless i am mistaken based on the current Colorado law I believe it is illegal for you to resell them even out of state anyway unless you have the proper license and they are going to an authorized recipient.. just sayin.

[rondog]

I wouldn't do it. It's probably a setup or sting.

[newracer]

Unless i am mistaken based on the current Colorado law I believe it is illegal for you to resell them even out of state anyway unless you have the proper license and they are going to an authorized recipient.. just sayin.
The new law does not state anything about selling magazines, only possessing them. You can sell all your magazines to people outside of Colorado if you want.

[hatidua]

This is the message I sent him.

-well written.

[bryjcom]

He sent me a reply. Seems to understand and appears to be on our side.


Thank you Bryan. I totally understand, respect and share your stance. I am active in my FOP's efforts to combat the hysteria and tyranny in govt. I hope one day soon we can have reason and respect for our constitution. Take care brother, be safe

[Irving]

You already responded, but I would have replied with, "Since you have contacted me personally, and not through your department, I can not make the sale. Please have your department contact me so that I can tell them "no" as well."

[bryjcom]

You already responded, but I would have replied with, "Since you have contacted me personally, and not through your department, I can not make the sale. Please have your department contact me so that I can tell them "no" as well."


That's a good one.

[theGinsue]

Very understanding reply.

[centrarchidae]

ETA: disregard

[spqrzilla]

The new law does not state anything about selling magazines, only possessing them.

That is not correct. The law prohibits "transfer" of magazines that meet the definitions including in the law. CRS 18--302(a) states that " ... a person who sells, transfers or possesses a large capacity magazine commits a Class 2 misdemeanor". The later exception for "out of state transferee" only applies to magazine manufacturers or gun dealers.


You can sell all your magazines to people outside of Colorado if you want. Not by a strict reading of the law, unless you are a gun dealer or a magazine manufacturer.

[newracer]

I stand corrected but as with the rest of the legislation I do not see how they could enforce it.

[rondog]

I stand corrected but as with the rest of the legislation I do not see how they could enforce it.
You could have a friend or relative in another state send you a box stuffed full of 30rd mags, and once you have them how could anyone prove that you DIDN'T have them before July 1st? Not legal, I know, but not really enforceable either, or even practical to try. Stupid, pointless law.

[theGinsue]

All right folks...

This thread is turning into a different topic of discussion than it started with; one hovering dangerously close to talk of actually breaking the law (even clothed in hypotheticals, it's not gonna fly here). We'll stop that line of conversation here & now or this thread will have to get closed and removed. I don't want to have to do that.

[GilpinGuy]

Man, the very first response to the OP should have ended it anyway, IMHO.


Personally I wouldnt. IF I cant have them you cant have them.