View Full Version : Off duty Denver Sheriff's Deputy pulls weapon...
Reading the article, one thing stands out: The officer had no cause to detain the subject, as having a gun in your car is not a crime.
http://kdvr.com/2013/09/23/denver-sheriffs-deputy-under-investigation-for-pulling-gun-on-man/
Sources tell Fox31 Denver the deputy is Truman Aumiller, who is now under internal investigation by the department to see if he violated any rules.
“If it was an undercover police officer, they sure didn’t go about it the right way. He didn’t announce himself or anything like that,” Gallegos said.
Those sources say Aumiller told his superiors he thought he saw a gun in the victim’s car which is why he pulled a service weapon. The sheriff’s department confirms the deputy is now the subject of an internal affairs investigation.
drift_g35
09-24-2013, 09:18
The Cop is lucky he didnt get shot.
The Cop is lucky he didnt get shot.
Not the cop, the guy he pulled the gun on is lucky. He's the one that was already in front of a muzzle.
So outside the IA thing, what would happen to a commoner if they tried this stunt?
RblDiver
09-24-2013, 09:35
Not the cop, the guy he pulled the gun on is lucky. He's the one that was already in front of a muzzle.
Both I'd think. If a bystander happened to be carrying, seeing an apparent carjacking may have caused them to get involved too I'd think.
Both I'd think. If a bystander happened to be carrying, seeing an apparent carjacking may have caused them to get involved too I'd think.
Possible. I'd hope a 911 call is more likely when the details are unknown.
Flatline
09-24-2013, 10:36
Isn't Denver SO only jailers? This guy doesn't sound like he had any street experience.
Aloha_Shooter
09-24-2013, 11:05
Just one more reason I don't like going anywhere near Denver if I can avoid it.
DavieD55
09-24-2013, 11:05
Internal investigation my a$$, of course he didn't do anything wrong. lol
UrbanWolf
09-24-2013, 11:06
The Cop is lucky he didnt get shot.
With the new gun laws and the sheriffs lawsuit going on in Colorado, the moment one cop is shot by a gun owner, most LEOs including the sheriffs will probably stop support the citizens' right to bear arms.
Isn't Denver SO only jailers? This guy doesn't sound like he had any street experience.
From what I know about Denver sheriff they have no 'patrol' units.
from DSD website.
The Denver Sheriff Department
The Denver Sheriff Department is responsible for the care, custody and transport of prisoners for the City and County of Denver. The department is comprised of three divisions:
County Jail Division (http://www.denvergov.org/Sheriff/DenverCountyJail/tabid/393650/Default.aspx)
The County Jail Division is responsible for the long term care and custody of prisoners and is the holding facility for convicted felons awaiting transfer to theColorado Department of Corrections (http://www.doc.state.co.us/index.html), Alternative Sentencing Programs and Community Corrections.
The Downtown Division (http://www.denvergov.org/Sheriff/PreArraignmentDetentionFacility/tabid/393651/Default.aspx)
The Downtown Division is comprised of the Van Cise-Simonet Detention Center (http://www.denvergov.org/MainPage/TheDowntownDivision/tabid/393651/Default.aspx)which is the prisoner intake center where prisoners are processed into the system and housed until such a time that they are able to make bond, or have been given an advisement by the court. The Civil Division (http://www.denvergov.org/MainPage/TheDowntownDivision/CivilDivision/tabid/393648/Default.aspx), Court Services Unit and the Correctional Care Medical Facility (located at Denver Health) also reside under the Downtown Division.
Technology, Support and Special Projects Division (http://www.denvergov.org/Sheriff/TechnologySupportandProjects/tabid/393654/Default.aspx)
This Division is responsible for the Department's overall administration and special projects, the Training Academy and the Vehicle Impound Facility (http://www.denvergov.org/MainPage/TechnologySupportandSpecialProjectsDivision/VehicleImpoundFacility/tabid/393655/Default.aspx).
stoner01
09-24-2013, 11:12
DSD does not have any patrol units. That is entirely up to DPD. Sheriffs deputies are not even required to be POST certified.
XC700116
09-24-2013, 11:53
So outside the IA thing, what would happen to a commoner if they tried this stunt?
Depending on if they had a CCW Permit, there'd be a list of things possibly thrown at them, including but not limited to Assault, Brandishing, possibly illegal posession if not permitted, and a bunch of other shit they'd probably add to the tab. ie NOT good.
Depending on if they had a CCW Permit, there'd be a list of things possibly thrown at them, including but not limited to Assault, Brandishing, possibly illegal posession if not permitted, and a bunch of other shit they'd probably add to the tab. ie NOT good.
You can add Felony Menacing to that...
But nothing will happen..
BushMasterBoy
09-24-2013, 12:08
Peasants with guns...
But nothing will happen..
...to the deputy
Colorado_Outback
09-24-2013, 12:23
Ronin doing some field training? (JK Ronin)
"The deputy frisked the man and searched him and then permitted him to leave without seizing evidence."
Dude gets a gun pointed at his head by a guy claiming to be a cop, with no uniform or badge... Gets out of the car, submits to a search, and then just go's about his day?!
What the fuck is wrong with that guy?
They both should have used their brains..
...to the deputy
It is City and County of Denver after all...pretty tough to get into trouble over there as long as you play for the right team.
brokenscout
09-24-2013, 14:18
I was thinking Ronin also,lol. That could have gotten real ugly though
I was thinking Ronin also,lol. That could have gotten real ugly though
To his credit.. Ronin has yet to claim to be a member of any LEO organization.
SideShow Bob
09-24-2013, 15:57
So, Barney thought he saw a gun in the victim's car, since when has it been illegal to have a firearm in your car (even in Denver) ?
My stepkid is a Denver deputy, and to their credit, they're probably better trained than many suburban patrol officers, but there's definitely a percentage that fit the "bad cop" stereotype. In no way was this situation justifiable based on the department's procedures and jurisdiction.
Man, that could have ended badly. Really badly.
I mean, if you're behind the wheel of a car in a parking lot, and you see some guy draw a gun and point it at another guy in a car, not identifying himself as police, wouldn't you seriously consider just taking him out with your car? I know that having a CC piece makes it seem like a go-to option, but it's a lot easier to hit a guy with a car than with a bullet.
So many ways this could have gone wrong for everyone involved.
LEOs need to start from the premise that if they see a person in possession of a firearm, that person is likely not breaking any laws.
<Sniff sniff> - is that....is that a lawsuit I smell?
Man, that could have ended badly. Really badly.
I mean, if you're behind the wheel of a car in a parking lot, and you see some guy draw a gun and point it at another guy in a car, not identifying himself as police, wouldn't you seriously consider just taking him out with your car? I know that having a CC piece makes it seem like a go-to option, but it's a lot easier to hit a guy with a car than with a bullet.
So many ways this could have gone wrong for everyone involved.
LEOs need to start from the premise that if they see a person in possession of a firearm, that person is likely not breaking any laws.
The correct answer to this question is continue to go about your business since your not being threatened in anyway
Ccw does not turn you into John Mcclane
brokenscout
09-24-2013, 18:02
At the same time where do you draw the line? Oh their not robbing me this time, next week when they do that's when I do something? Or I don't know them, judt don't care. I bet 911 was lit up
The correct answer to this question is continue to go about your business since your not being threatened in anyway
Ccw does not turn you into John Mcclane
My stepkid is a Denver deputy, and to their credit, they're probably better trained than many suburban patrol officers, but there's definitely a percentage that fit the "bad cop" stereotype. In no way was this situation justifiable based on the department's procedures and jurisdiction.
I have talked to Metro municipal cops who badmouth Denver Sheriff's. They talk about the sheriffs in Denver barely need any training and most of them aren't POST certified. I guess it just depends on who you talk to about it.
OneGuy67
09-24-2013, 19:06
DSD does not have any patrol units. That is entirely up to DPD. Sheriffs deputies are not even required to be POST certified.
The Denver Sheriff's Department only handles statutorily required duties of a sheriff's office; jail, civil service, court security, etc. The POST certified Deputies are allowed to work off duty at places, similar to the police department. I believe the transport Deputies need to be POST certified as they are armed on duty, but I may be wrong on that.
So, Barney thought he saw a gun in the victim's car, since when has it been illegal to have a firearm in your car (even in Denver) ?
It's not.
My stepkid is a Denver deputy, and to their credit, they're probably better trained than many suburban patrol officers, but there's definitely a percentage that fit the "bad cop" stereotype. In no way was this situation justifiable based on the department's procedures and jurisdiction.
I would respectfully disagree with your statement. A jail Deputy is in no way better trained than those officers who perform patrol functions. The patrol officers are required to continually keep up with new laws and case law, attend POST required training and certification upkeep, while the detention based Denver Sheriff's are not required to do so.
I have talked to Metro municipal cops who badmouth Denver Sheriff's. They talk about the sheriffs in Denver barely need any training and most of them aren't POST certified. I guess it just depends on who you talk to about it. This is true; there is little respect for them. Historically, they have brought it upon themselves as they really wish to be equal to the DPD in pay, benefits, time requirements, etc. They petitioned to change their uniforms and badges about a decade ago, because they wanted to be more like the PD.
Man, that could have ended badly. Really badly.
I mean, if you're behind the wheel of a car in a parking lot, and you see some guy draw a gun and point it at another guy in a car, not identifying himself as police, wouldn't you seriously consider just taking him out with your car?
Nope. If you aren't my wife, or one of my two dogs, you're on your lonesome.
I would respectfully disagree with your statement. A jail Deputy is in no way better trained than those officers who perform patrol functions. The patrol officers are required to continually keep up with new laws and case law, attend POST required training and certification upkeep, while the detention based Denver Sheriff's are not required to do so.
I should have qualified that statement. My stepson was assigned to extradition duty, and is POST certified. He currently works as a K9 officer with a bomb dog.
If a plain clothes DPD officer had witnessed this interaction and come to the same conclusion the witness did about this being a car jacking, this would probably ended up in a tragic shooting.
Obviously, the news story gives a very limited perspective on the story and you don't need to be a trained criminal investigator to realize there are some pretty big holes that need to be filled in before IA is finished with this.
No doubt, if I get a gun pointed in my face, I will be discussing my options with an attorney.
Be safe.
I should have qualified that statement. My stepson was assigned to extradition duty, and is POST certified. He currently works as a K9 officer with a bomb dog.
Then yes your stepson is specially trained as a K9 and is better trained than most street cops in that regard. Your statement is still not accurate though because the majority of jailers are not as well trained as metro street cops. I bet his K9 gig is pretty awesome. Those land sharks are something else!
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