$999 fine/1 year in jail if your weed smoke bothers neighbors.

[Dave_L]

This is getting fun now! So even if you are on your property, doing something that's legal, you could get a fine/jail time if your smoke lofts over your fence and bothers your neighbor. Oh yeah, you also wouldn't be able to do it on your front porch where it's in the view of the public. [ROFL2]

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_24284316/denver-floats-new-rules-that-could-make-even

[JM Ver. 2.0]

It's not legal.....

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[Dave_L]

Sorry, you're right. Not yet. As of Jan 1, it will be.

[hurley842002]

This is getting fun now! So even if you are on your property, doing something that's legal, you could get a fine/jail time if your smoke lofts over your fence and bothers your neighbor. Oh yeah, you also wouldn't be able to do it on your front porch where it's in the view of the public. [ROFL2]

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_24284316/denver-floats-new-rules-that-could-make-even

So my 4 month old and I shouldn't have a problem being affected by weed smoke? Hell the neighbors cig smoke below us is bad enough.

[Gunner]

I find this interesting


Mark Silverstein, legal director for American Civil Liberties Union of Colorado, called the ordinance a "tremendous overreach, ill-advised, unnecessary and unconstitutional."

Last time I looked at the constitution I didn't see anything referenced to smoking pot. I wouldn't even call it a right. It's more of a privilege. Just entertaining how the ACLU cares so much about that.

[spqrzilla]

The constitutionality argument will be based on vagueness. Its a pretty good argument against the ordinance actually. Denver City Council is astonishingly incompetent.

[roberth]

What else do you do that bothers your neighbors?

Are your nosy neighbors who peeked your window going to be bothered by you cleaning a fiream? I wonder what the penalty for that would be?

This is bad law and sets an awful precedence for more government intrusion, not just on the dopers but on every single person.

[Dave_L]

So I guess it's ok to ban things on private property, even when its going to be legal? I know it's currently illegal for the majority but this isn't going to be negated after January 1.

"It would also prohibit smoking on private property if it is visible to the public, such as on a front porch or in a car, or if the odor of pot could be detected from a neighboring property."

Someone can't smoke a joint in their private backyard or on their own porch? While we're at it, let's apply this rule across the board then. No loud music past 10 pm. No cigarette smoking. No drinking a beer on your front porch or doing anything else that may bother your neighbor. I don't smoke weed but this is ridiculous.

[hurley842002]

So I guess it's ok to ban things on private property, even when its going to be legal? I know it's currently illegal for the majority but this isn't going to be negated after January 1.

"It would also prohibit smoking on private property if it is visible to the public, such as on a front porch or in a car, or if the odor of pot could be detected from a neighboring property."

Someone can't smoke a joint in their private backyard or on their own porch? While we're at it, let's apply this rule across the board then. No loud music past 10 pm. No cigarette smoking. No drinking a beer on your front porch or doing anything else that may bother your neighbor. I don't smoke weed but this is ridiculous.

You failed to answer my question, is it okay for my 4 month old to inhale the neighbors marijuana?

I think the law regarding not being able to smoke where it is visible to the public is ridiculous, but as soon as it starts negatively affecting my family and I, it's a problem, private property or not.

[Aloha_Shooter]

... but are they threatening to file child abuse charges if you smoke at home like they do with tobacco?

[sniper7]

I will have an issue if people are smoking it near my son. neighbors or not, if they don't want the smell in their house, I sure don't want it wafting around me while I'm out grilling or making the outside of my house smell like pot.

luckily none of my immediate neighbors even spend time outside or smoke weed.

[Dave_L]

You failed to answer my question, is it okay for my 4 month old to inhale the neighbors marijuana?



Stop putting your 4 month old's face next to the fence? But seriously, close the windows? Maybe ask your neighbor if he/she could go inside or to another area of his/her property? Is that annoying to have to do? Sure. But it's really annoying to have the government tell me I can't do something legal on my property. This is all operating on the notion that this takes place AFTER January 1, of course.

This wouldnt be an issue if the general population just had courtesy. "Hey, my neighbors are having a child's party in their backyard. Maybe I'll go drive around the block in my car to smoke instead of sitting outside where the kiddos can see me." But that's TOO much to ask for these days.

[Colorado_Outback]

I think the law regarding not being able to smoke where it is visible to the public is ridiculous, but as soon as it starts negatively affecting my family and I, it's a problem, private property or not.

I fail to see how this would be any different than any other neighbor dispute..

Good thing this is the good ol USA and you have the freedom to live where ever you like.

[hurley842002]

Stop putting your 4 month old's face next to the fence? But seriously, close the windows? Maybe ask your neighbor if he/she could go inside or to another area of his/her property? Is that annoying to have to do? Sure. But it's really annoying to have the government tell me I can't do something legal on my property. This is all operating on the notion that this takes place AFTER January 1, of course.

This wouldnt be an issue if the general population just had courtesy. "Hey, my neighbors are having a child's party in their backyard. Maybe I'll go drive around the block in my car to smoke instead of sitting outside where the kiddos can see me." But that's TOO much to ask for these days.

We can go back and forth all day long on who's right trumps who's, and not get anywhere, but I'm standing firm on my right to reside in a marijuana free environment trumps your right to blow smoke in my yard.

Also you seem to be making the ASSumption that I'd not handle things with my neighbor at the lowest level. All neighbors are not going to be receptive to requests and I believe there should be an option when I can no longer reside in a marijuana free environment.

I'm sure there will be plenty here that will twist this into a gun rights comparison, but this is my stance.

[hatidua]

This, is why most windows have the ability to be closed.

What's next, if your neighbor doesn't like the smell of what you have on the barbeque there's a fine for that as well? - after all, certain byproducts of the smoke generated from grilling have been shown to be carcinogenic.

I don't particularly like the sound of the screaming child that lives across the alley from me, can we have a fine for child noise? - my long-term hearing is very important to me.

There seems to be quite a contradiction on this forum: restrict my guns = "oh, the horror!". Restrict weed? = yeah, tax the hell out of it and woe be unto anyone whose smoke drifts out of their private property and I get the slightest whiff of it.

Restricting personal freedoms is wildly popular....just as long as it's not restricting any of MY personal freedoms... (and, no, I don't partake of the herb and have no intention to)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/nanny-state_zps2d903f5c.jpg

[wctriumph]

They Democrats make it legal and then find a way to criminalize it. So typical.


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[Colorado_Outback]

This, is why most windows have the ability to be closed.

What's next, if your neighbor doesn't like the smell of what you have on the barbeque there's a fine for that as well? - after all, certain byproducts of the smoke generated from grilling have been shown to be carcinogenic.

I don't particularly like the sound of the screaming child that lives across the alley from me, can we have a fine for child noise? - my long-term hearing is very important to me.

There seems to be quite a contradiction on this forum: restrict my guns = "oh, the horror!". Restrict weed? = yeah, tax the hell out of it and woe be unto anyone whose smoke drifts out of their private property and I get the slightest whiff of it.

Restricting personal freedoms is wildly popular....just as long as it's not restricting any of MY personal freedoms... (and, no, I don't partake of the herb and have no intention to)


Quoted for truth.

FREEDOM FOR ME!!! But not you...

[merl]

I will have an issue if people are smoking it near my son. neighbors or not, if they don't want the smell in their house, I sure don't want it wafting around me while I'm out grilling or making the outside of my house smell like pot.

luckily none of my immediate neighbors even spend time outside or smoke weed.

Your grilling bothers me, please keep those fumes in your yard. thanks.
Your casting bullets bothers me, please keep those fumes in your yard. thanks.

(been a few times I've gotten up and looked for "whats burning" when a neighbor runs the grill.)

This is the thing that gets solved by courtesy not laws. Laws against being an ass, especially harsh ones, are invasive.

[vossman]

I see your point (I think) but what if your neighbors are smoking cigars, grilling/smoking, wear too much perfume and your downwind from it? That can be just as annoying and is probably risky to your health like smoke from weed but if you call the cops for that, they will likely tell you to pound sand/work it out with your neighbor, not hook you up and take you to see the judge.

As I was typing my response several others stated pretty much the same thing. Sorry.

[Dave_L]

We can go back and forth all day long on who's right trumps who's, and not get anywhere, but I'm standing firm on my right to reside in a marijuana free environment trumps your right to blow smoke in my yard.

Also you seem to be making the ASSumption that I'd not handle things with my neighbor at the lowest level. All neighbors are not going to be receptive to requests and I believe there should be an option when I can no longer reside in a marijuana free environment.

I'm sure there will be plenty here that will twist this into a gun rights comparison, but this is my stance.

I wasn't ASSuming you wouldn't, I'm ASSuming the majority of people won't. Hence why we get so many laws to tell us how to live our lives without being a PITA to everyone around us. Kind of ironic that all the laws make living a PITA. Haha.

It's a tough line, I know. Who's right trumps who's? Michael Brown had a caller a while back that had this issue. His neighbor was a toker and the smoke would blow into his house via open windows. From what I recall, there wasn't much that could be done. This law will change that. I think you should have a right to live in a marijuana free environment but I don't think it's the governments job to enforce that. The hard part is, even if you moved, there's no way to know who you're moving in next door to. If you don't like your neighbors/area, move. There's a million examples we can compare this against but at the end of the day, it's the government saying what you can or can not do, on your own property (within the legality of the law).

[RMAC757]

This, is why most windows have the ability to be closed.

What's next, if your neighbor doesn't like the smell of what you have on the barbeque there's a fine for that as well? - after all, certain byproducts of the smoke generated from grilling have been shown to be carcinogenic.

I don't particularly like the sound of the screaming child that lives across the alley from me, can we have a fine for child noise? - my long-term hearing is very important to me.

There seems to be quite a contradiction on this forum: restrict my guns = "oh, the horror!". Restrict weed? = yeah, tax the hell out of it and woe be unto anyone whose smoke drifts out of their private property and I get the slightest whiff of it.

Restricting personal freedoms is wildly popular....just as long as it's not restricting any of MY personal freedoms... (and, no, I don't partake of the herb and have no intention to)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/nanny-state_zps2d903f5c.jpg

Well stated.

[BushMasterBoy]

Next it will be BBQ'ing pork chops offending your Muslim neighbors...

[Irving]

There is ZERO reason to create laws to combat pet peeves.

[bellavite1]

Guess what?
My Constitutional rights have been trumped by public safety laws since the Twenties.
We do not need a precedent to be set: it's already here!
Right now, by legalizing pot, we have made Colorado Heaven on earth for all kind of liberal trash.
We have lost the State.
I am more than willing to go the extra mile to make this State as unfriendly as possible for pot smokers, gay marriage advocates and democrats in general.
Payback is a bitch!

[Irving]

Guess what?
My Constitutional rights have been trumped by public safety laws since the Twenties.
We do not need a precedent to be set: it's already here!
Right now, by legalizing pot, we have made Colorado Heaven on earth for all kind of liberal trash.
We have lost the State.
I am more than willing to go the extra mile to make this State as unfriendly as possible for pot smokers, gay marriage advocates and democrats in general.
Payback is a bitch!

Perfect example of what I mean.

[sniper7]

Your grilling bothers me, please keep those fumes in your yard. thanks.
Your casting bullets bothers me, please keep those fumes in your yard. thanks.

(been a few times I've gotten up and looked for "whats burning" when a neighbor runs the grill.)

This is the thing that gets solved by courtesy not laws. Laws against being an ass, especially harsh ones, are invasive.

these are the same people who will call on you if you brandish a firearm in your yard.
these are the same people who will call on you if you open carry at the store.
these are the same people who will call on you for barking dogs.
these are the same people who will call on you for loud music/parties.
these are the same people who will steal your yard signs/decorations because they don't agree with it.

There are already numerous ways you can get in trouble with the law even on your own property and when you are within the law. all of those examples have happened to members on here.

My job doesn't allow drugs, and I don't want to risk it because some dude decides he wants to smoke outside instead on inside his own home. like I said though, my neighbors are good to go. and I don't plan on moving anywhere else other than somewhere with plenty of property where I don't have to worry about it.

[Colorado_Outback]

My job doesn't allow drugs, and I don't want to risk it because some dude decides he wants to smoke outside instead on inside his own home..

You cant be serious...

You really think that you could get a contact high that would show up on UA from your neighbor smoking a yard away?

[sniper7]

You cant be serious...

You really think that you could get a contact high that would show up on UA from your neighbor smoking a yard away?

not going to risk it. If we come in contact with it at on duty at work we get 1-2 months off paid. If they give that much time off I don't care to find out or risk my job. My career is a hell of a lot more important to me than my neighbor being able to smoke on his porch instead of inside. My career, my family, my life are all tied into being able to work. but I should just blow all that off so some guy can smoke a joint and worry about the implications?

[merl]

not going to risk it. If we come in contact with it at on duty at work we get 1-2 months off paid. If they give that much time off I don't care to find out or risk my job. My career is a hell of a lot more important to me than my neighbor being able to smoke on his porch instead of inside. My career, my family, my life are all tied into being able to work. but I should just blow all that off so some guy can smoke a joint and worry about the implications?

this is a joke right?

You are fine with someone tossed in jail for a year for smoking a joint on their own porch. Jail for a year or $1k fine because of a neighbor's complaint?

[Aloha_Shooter]

this is a joke right?

You are fine with someone tossed in jail for a year for smoking a joint on their own porch. Jail for a year or $1k fine because of a neighbor's complaint?

So YOU'RE fine with sniper7, me or someone else losing our jobs because someone's toking illegal drugs outside?

Believe it or not, the issue about fumes has already been decided by the Supreme Court years ago. You can't impose odors, flies, vibrations, noise, etc. on your neighbor's property. Now, let's say you're openly eating marijuana brownies on your porch -- no odors or emanations to speak of. In that case, I don't see grounds for a complaint.

As far as BushMasterBoy's scenario goes, I unfortunately see that coming in the next decade or so of Obama's America unless the American public wake the hell up. It's a logical extension of the kinds of lawsuits the ACLU has been pursuing and the agenda of overwhelming government control being pushed by the Democrats.

[clublights]

You cant be serious...

You really think that you could get a contact high that would show up on UA from your neighbor smoking a yard away?

I've had MJ show up on a UA from second hand smoke.

not quite as low as what would be airborne in the back yard but yes it CAN and does happen..

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Sorry, you're right. Not yet. As of Jan 1, it will be.

Federal law..... It will never be legal.....

Just so you know..... If you admit to smoking weed on here.... You can't own a gun....

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[Dave_L]

Federal law..... It will never be legal.....

Just so you know..... If you admit to smoking weed on here.... You can't own a gun....




I don't smoke weed but this is ridiculous.

Touche on the Federal part. I wasn't thinking about that. Either way, the smoking weed part doesn't matter to me. I just thought it was wild that it was up to 1 year in jail for this. $50-100 fine seems more realistic.

However, I was unaware that it was already decided by the Supreme Court years ago that you can't impose odors, flies, vibrations, noise, etc. on your neighbor's property. So I guess that about sums it up.

[sellersm]

There is ZERO good/legitimate reason to create laws to combat pet peeves.

FIFY. Control is the reason. I say it again, remove any basis for morality/decency, and you MUST legislate everything. Anyone ever heard of N. Dean Meyer's "blue book of structural management crap"?

I point you all the bottom line of my sig...

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I don't think you really understand the amount of shit weed is about to bring to this state...

Legalization of the cultivation of a drug that the cartels spend MILLIONS of dollars trying to smuggle across the border is a bad thing.

Now the cartels will just move into colorado and conduct business here....

Add into that the fact that two major coast to coast highways intersect in our state and you have a perfect shit storm...

Enjoy your increased crime rates, hippy....


The hippy statement is not directed at anyone here. Just a statement.

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[sniper7]

this is a joke right?

You are fine with someone tossed in jail for a year for smoking a joint on their own porch. Jail for a year or $1k fine because of a neighbor's complaint?

they are fine with me losing my gun rights and going to jail or paying a fine for owning a piece of plastic. lifes a bitch sometimes.
I'm not losing my job for some pot head. I am a good neighbor and would probably tell them one time that it was the last time they smoked it outside the house. If not they will have problems. being a good neighbor works both ways. the law is the law. I fucking hate the new gun laws but I abide by them because I have too much to risk. If they can risk the jail time or fine then have at it.

[buffalobo]

I don't think you really understand the amount of shit weed is about to bring to this state...

Legalization of the cultivation of a drug that the cartels spend MILLIONS of dollars trying to smuggle across the border is a bad thing.

Now the cartels will just move into colorado and conduct business here....

Add into that the fact that two major coast to coast highways intersect in our state and you have a perfect shit storm...

Enjoy your increased crime rates, hippy....


The hippy statement is not directed at anyone here. Just a statement.

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You go JM, school em. [rockon]

Which coast to coast highways intersect in Colorado? [Poke]

[merl]

they are fine with me losing my gun rights and going to jail or paying a fine for owning a piece of plastic. lifes a bitch sometimes.
I'm not losing my job for some pot head. I am a good neighbor and would probably tell them one time that it was the last time they smoked it outside the house. If not they will have problems. being a good neighbor works both ways. the law is the law. I fucking hate the new gun laws but I abide by them because I have too much to risk. If they can risk the jail time or fine then have at it.

got it, they were asses and passed those gun laws you you'll get a little spite back at em.

Private property means nothing to you? just, wow.

[Aloha_Shooter]

got it, they were asses and passed those gun laws you you'll get a little spite back at em.

Private property means nothing to you? just, wow.

Actually, that's the point you're missing. He DOES treasure his private property rights to NOT have marijuana fumes cross his property lines and endanger his lifelihood and gun rights. FWIW, I do agree a year in jail is excessive unless it's a case of repeated offenses but I can't support complaints about a $1000 fine for doing something illegal under federal law that endangers other peoples' rights.

[def90]

They Democrats make it legal and then find a way to criminalize it. So typical.


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TEA

Colorado citizens made it legal via referendum.. Not "Democrats".. the majority of Dems and Reps were equally opposed to it.

[def90]

I don't think you really understand the amount of shit weed is about to bring to this state...

Legalization of the cultivation of a drug that the cartels spend MILLIONS of dollars trying to smuggle across the border is a bad thing.

Now the cartels will just move into colorado and conduct business here....

Add into that the fact that two major coast to coast highways intersect in our state and you have a perfect shit storm...

Enjoy your increased crime rates, hippy....


The hippy statement is not directed at anyone here. Just a statement.

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+1.. I've read that drug related violent crime has already markedly gone up since this referendum was passed.

[sniper7]

got it, they were asses and passed those gun laws you you'll get a little spite back at em.

Private property means nothing to you? just, wow.

think of it as me showing them the err of their voting ways. not to mention protecting my livelihood and my own private property rights, probably my health even too...guess that doesn't mean shit to you though. as long as some asshole can smoke a joint outside.

[hurley842002]

Actually, that's the point you're missing. He DOES treasure his private property rights to NOT have marijuana fumes cross his property lines and endanger his lifelihood and gun rights. FWIW, I do agree a year in jail is excessive unless it's a case of repeated offenses but I can't support complaints about a $1000 fine for doing something illegal under federal law that endangers other peoples' rights.

Well put

[JM Ver. 2.0]

They Democrats make it legal and then find a way to criminalize it. So typical.


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TEA

This post is over flowing with fail........

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[sniper7]

Actually, that's the point you're missing. He DOES treasure his private property rights to NOT have marijuana fumes cross his property lines and endanger his lifelihood and gun rights. FWIW, I do agree a year in jail is excessive unless it's a case of repeated offenses but I can't support complaints about a $1000 fine for doing something illegal under federal law that endangers other peoples' rights.

they also put 5 years and 250,000 or something like that for stealing movies and CD's. I didn't vote the people in that passed this stuff. Maybe those who are worried about being able to smoke weed outside should reconsider their voting habits.

[BushMasterBoy]

I heard they found bales of weed with 30 round mags hidden inside...

[KevDen2005]

Food for thought.

Cartels are already here. Did a paper a couple years ago on cartels on Indian Reservations. They love to use them.

I also have contacted known cartel members on two separate occasions.

But I agree that it will get worse with cartels and other liberal trash being invited to the state. I would prefer that weed was just nationally legalized to save me the trouble and to prevent people from moving here.

[clublights]

Touche on the Federal part. I wasn't thinking about that. Either way, the smoking weed part doesn't matter to me. I just thought it was wild that it was up to 1 year in jail for this. $50-100 fine seems more realistic.

However, I was unaware that it was already decided by the Supreme Court years ago that you can't impose odors, flies, vibrations, noise, etc. on your neighbor's property. So I guess that about sums it up.


the 999/1year are MAX


jaywalking carries the same max . ever hear of anyone doing a year in the pokie for jaywalking?

Disturbing the peace same max's .. so on and so on ... sure someone could get those maxes but it would be like the 10th offense and a judge having a bad day .

more then likely be 40 bucks + court costs and be on your way.

Arrest unlikely unless you piss the cop off when he shows up to do his job .

[Colorado_Outback]

not going to risk it. If we come in contact with it at on duty at work we get 1-2 months off paid. If they give that much time off I don't care to find out or risk my job. My career is a hell of a lot more important to me than my neighbor being able to smoke on his porch instead of inside. My career, my family, my life are all tied into being able to work. but I should just blow all that off so some guy can smoke a joint and worry about the implications?

Well enjoy living in fantasy land, if you ever decide to try reality again here are a couple steps to help you rejoin the rest of us..

1. Pull your head out of your ass.

2. Smash your copy of Reefer Madness and your 9x13 glossy of Nancy Reagan.

3. Educate yourself on how Marijuana is ingested, how THC is processed by your body and the min levels to test positive on a UA.


Its literally impossible for you to fail a UA because your neighbor was smoking 500 feet away and you caught a whiff.

[sniper7]

I've had MJ show up on a UA from second hand smoke.

not quite as low as what would be airborne in the back yard but yes it CAN and does happen..


Well enjoy living in fantasy land, if you ever decide to try reality again here are a couple steps to help you rejoin the rest of us..

1. Pull your head out of your ass.

2. Smash your copy of Reefer Madness and your 9x13 glossy of Nancy Reagan.

3. Educate yourself on how Marijuana is ingested, how THC is processed by your body and the min levels to test positive on a UA.


Its literally impossible for you to fail a UA because your neighbor was smoking 500 feet away and you caught a whiff.

read that first quote.
then apologize.

The law is the law. the pot smokers can follow the law to the degree of their choosing. I now know what the law will be coming Jan 1. If I have some asshole neighbors and they happen to smoke weed and they happen to smoke it outside you can bet your ass I will have no problem calling the cops if I decide I don't want to smell it or deal with it. Private property laws and the supreme court are on my side. Sure is nice with my head up my ass....lots of knowledge up here.

ETA: 500' is a pretty great distance for neighbors. What about 30', what about being in an apartment right above the guy smoking. You are outside cooking steaks and this guy decides him and his buddy are going to smoke a few joints? distance is probably 10-15' at that point. Like I said, I'm not risking my livelihood because some guy wants to toke it up. Why don't you, with all your infinite wisdom of marijuana and THC and UA tests show me all the data on that. My head is too far up my ass to google it....

[<MADDOG>]

Food for thought.

Cartels are already here. Did a paper a couple years ago on cartels on Indian Reservations. They love to use them.

I also have contacted known cartel members on two separate occasions.

But I agree that it will get worse with cartels and other liberal trash being invited to the state. I would prefer that weed was just nationally legalized to save me the trouble and to prevent people from moving here.

Kev, correct me if I am wrong, but are not I-25 & I-70 known trafficking routes?

[buffalobo]

While I am sure many other entities will follow suit, the story the op referenced is city of Denver.

Maybe some of you guys should see what your city/town proposes.

[merl]

So YOU'RE fine with sniper7, me or someone else losing our jobs because someone's toking illegal drugs outside?

Believe it or not, the issue about fumes has already been decided by the Supreme Court years ago. You can't impose odors, flies, vibrations, noise, etc. on your neighbor's property. Now, let's say you're openly eating marijuana brownies on your porch -- no odors or emanations to speak of. In that case, I don't see grounds for a complaint.

As far as BushMasterBoy's scenario goes, I unfortunately see that coming in the next decade or so of Obama's America unless the American public wake the hell up. It's a logical extension of the kinds of lawsuits the ACLU has been pursuing and the agenda of overwhelming government control being pushed by the Democrats.

If you lose your jobs due to a background dose of THC, a neighbor 30' away outside, down in the noise region barely detectable, someone was looking for an excuse to fire you. I don't buy that as an argument because if true better be careful anytime you step outside. They are not breaking state law and they sure as hell are not affecting your property. The SC ruling applies to setting up a pig farm, not to smoking in your back yard.


think of it as me showing them the err of their voting ways. not to mention protecting my livelihood and my own private property rights, probably my health even too...guess that doesn't mean shit to you though. as long as some asshole can smoke a joint outside.
I return to my original statement, keep your BBQ fumes in your back yard. If you want a health complaint go to the casting. They are not affecting you and you would turn them in out of spite.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Kev, correct me if I am wrong, but are not I-25 & I-70 known trafficking routes?


I just said that..........

[Colorado_Outback]

ETA: 500' is a pretty great distance for neighbors. What about 30', what about being in an apartment right above the guy smoking. You are outside cooking steaks and this guy decides him and his buddy are going to smoke a few joints? distance is probably 10-15' at that point. Like I said, I'm not risking my livelihood because some guy wants to toke it up. Why don't you, with all your infinite wisdom of marijuana and THC and UA tests show me all the data on that. My head is too far up my ass to google it....

I do apologize. I hit an extra 0, I meant 50'. You're right even still 50' is probably extreme for most areas, lets call it 10' ft.

samhsa cutoff for thc is 15 ng/ml. Your dui in the state of CO at 5 ng/ml.
http://workplace.samhsa.gov/DrugTesting/pdf/2010GuidelinesAnalytesCutoffs.pdf

I have no idea the volume of air in you and your potential pot smoking neighbors back yard but that amount of smoke in that amount of air will never get you to 15 ng/ml. Never.
Inside a Honda maybe, confined space for a period of time, sure I can believe that.

Just because you can smell it doesn't mean your ingesting THC.

But by all means call the cops on everyone you see if that makes you feel better/safe.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I do apologize. I hit an extra 0, I meant 50'. You're right even still 50' is probably extreme for most areas, lets call it 10' ft.

samhsa cutoff for thc is 15 ng/ml. Your dui in the state of CO at 5 ng/ml.
http://workplace.samhsa.gov/DrugTesting/pdf/2010GuidelinesAnalytesCutoffs.pdf

I have no idea the volume of air in your and your potential pot smoking neighbors back yard but that amount of smoke in that amount of air will never get you to 15 ng/ml. Never.
Inside a Honda maybe, confined space for a period of time, sure I can believe that.

Just because you can smell it doesn't mean your ingesting THC.

But by all means call the cops on everyone you see if that makes you feel better/safe.


So... You advocate reporting federal crimes? Good! We need more people like you.

[sniper7]

If you lose your jobs due to a background dose of THC, a neighbor 30' away outside, down in the noise region barely detectable, someone was looking for an excuse to fire you. I don't buy that as an argument because if true better be careful anytime you step outside. They are not breaking state law and they sure as hell are not affecting your property. The SC ruling applies to setting up a pig farm, not to smoking in your back yard.


I return to my original statement, keep your BBQ fumes in your back yard. If you want a health complaint go to the casting. They are not affecting you and you would turn them in out of spite.

They are breaking federal law.

I'll live life on the edge risk my grilling. they can risk their pot. Nothing you say will change my mind. Just hope you aren't a pot smoker and end up being my neighbor. Assholes like me are out there.

[spqrzilla]

Believe it or not, the issue about fumes has already been decided by the Supreme Court years ago. You can't impose odors, flies, vibrations, noise, etc. on your neighbor's property. Now, let's say you're openly eating marijuana brownies on your porch -- no odors or emanations to speak of. In that case, I don't see grounds for a complaint.



If you are referring to the property law / tort law concept of "Nuisance", it does not work the way you think it does. And its a civil action, not a criminal one, in which you have to prove with actual evidence monetary damages. Not mere annoyance.

[Colorado_Outback]

So... You advocate reporting federal crimes? Good! We need more people like you.

LOL we get it bro, Marijuana is federally illegal. Were talking about a post 1/1/14 CO.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

LOL we get it bro, Marijuana is federally illegal. Were talking about a post 1/1/14 CO.

Last time I checked... Colorado will still be part of the United States of America after 1/1/2014...... Soooooooo...... Once again, you advocate reporting federal crimes?

[Colorado_Outback]

Last time I checked... Colorado will still be part of the United States of America after 1/1/2014...... Soooooooo...... Once again, you advocate reporting federal crimes?

I encouraged spider to let his conscience be his guide [Flower]

[sniper7]

If you are referring to the property law / tort law concept of "Nuisance", it does not work the way you think it does. And its a civil action, not a criminal one, in which you have to prove with actual evidence monetary damages. Not mere annoyance.

so like health issues, or job loss/time off. Maybe Colorado Outback can tell me if a K-9 picks up the smell of marijuana smoke on clothing or baggage (serious question). I see those dogs on occasion at work.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I encouraged spider to let his conscience be his guide [Flower]
Reporting criminals will never, EVER weigh heavy on my conscience... Especially when it involves drugs...

[Irving]

I'm interested in how this thread could possibly become more stupid. Is there any way we can work abortion and gay marriage into this?

[Irving]

so like health issues, or job loss/time off. Maybe Colorado Outback can tell me if a K-9 picks up the smell of marijuana smoke on clothing or baggage (serious question). I see those dogs on occasion at work.


Not a chance. It's funny you even asked.

[Colorado_Outback]

Not a chance. It's funny you even asked.

This.

[Irving]

And I mean that in the most genuine and polite was possible.

[KevDen2005]

Kev, correct me if I am wrong, but are not I-25 & I-70 known trafficking routes?


With no first hand experience with those two highways I will say yes. I believe that is fairly common knowledge to some degree. But many don't realize that some of the other highways are very high in trafficking depending on their location and how much law enforcement activity is around those areas. Police reports are public information. Someone could do the research to see where LE hits the hardest and make their plan for trafficking from there. With that knowledge and a scanner a lot of traffickers could get through.

[sniper7]

And I mean that in the most genuine and polite was possible.

no worries.

I just did some googling and it seems that dogs could easily be trained to smell the smoke as they smell in parts per billion. But most dogs are trained to smell the actual plant, not the smoke

I'm pretty well done with the topic. Since my first post I have said my neighbors are all good to go. At least now I have the knowledge of the law should the need arise. I could care less if people smoke, as long as it doesn't affect me, then it becomes a problem.

[KevDen2005]

Also I want to apologize for derailing the thread in regards to traffic enforcement.

Please continue the arguing.

Sometimes I have to admit, both sides make a valid argument, in my opinion.

[hurley842002]

Sometimes I have to admit, both sides make a valid argument, in my opinion.

I will hold firm on my opinion, but I agree with you.
At the end of the day, both sides are arguing property rights.

Do you have the right to smoke freely on your property, regardless of how it negatively affects your neighbor?

Or

Do I have the right to utilize and enjoy all areas of my property, free from pot smoke, or fear of second hand concerns?

Opinions will vary....

[bellavite1]

I'm interested in how this thread could possibly become more stupid. Is there any way we can work abortion and gay marriage into this?
I did ![pick-me]

[RMAC757]

I think the craziest thing is the punishment. A year in jail?

[sniper7]

I think the craziest thing is the punishment. A year in jail?

I think that was addressed as the maximum along with the fine. Just like a lot of other charges you can get nailed with. like 5 years in prison for reproducing a DVD.

[clublights]

I think the craziest thing is the punishment. A year in jail?

Just like Sniper said.. and I said a couple pages ago ....


thats the MAX....

jaywalking has the same max......


ever hear of someone doing a year in the pokie for jaywalking?

[Aloha_Shooter]

I will hold firm on my opinion, but I agree with you.
At the end of the day, both sides are arguing property rights.

Constitutional law is frequently decided at the intersection of group rights and individual rights. Your right to enjoy the pharmaceutical relief you desire may end at your property line or it may end at mine but it DOES end somewhere. The case can be a tort action as most of the hog farm or similar cases are but FCC v. Pacifica (Carlin's Seven Dirty Words) was a regulatory action, not a request for civil damages. Yes, I know the seven dirty words were an aural (broadcast) case, not fumes, but the fundamental principal of an unwanted intrusion into someone's private property is the same.

At the end of the day, the fine and jail time are maximum possible sentences for a violation that I suspect most cops, even Denver cops, wouldn't want to waste their time with. I would favor dumping it as a useless law for those reasons but I still maintain potsmokers have less foundation for their ire than tobacco smokers who have been exiled from public spaces and even had threats from CPS (in a few extreme cases). Currently, I can't lose my clearance, my job, or my gun rights from tobacco smoke or ribs on the grill -- we'll see what Obamacare does to that in 10-20 years ...

EDIT: As far as the gay marriage/abortion thing goes, find me a way I lose my job or gun rights over either of those two and I'll work it in but until then ... [pileoshit]

[Irving]

EDIT: As far as the gay marriage/abortion thing goes, find me a way I lose my job or gun rights over either of those two and I'll work it in but until then ... [pileoshit]

The likelihood of you, or anyone else, losing their job because the neighbor is smoking in the backyard, is equal to the likelihood of you, or anyone else, losing their job if the neighbors are getting married or performing abortions in the backyard. That goes the same for you, or anyone else, having their physical health negatively affected.

[Colorado_Outback]

I'm advocating being a good neighbor. In reality your neighbor smoking a joint in his back yard effects you no more than if he were smoking a cigarette.
I'm all for banning it from the 16th street mall and parks so you don't get the scum loitering and smoking.
Private property is a different deal. I dont like the way my neibhors face looks.. can we ban that too?

Just for the record that article is about a Denver City Ordnance so even if they implemented it, it would only effect Club Lights..

[streetglideok]

Something to consider that is not brought up much, there are people allergic to marijuana, and can have severe asthma attacks when exposed to the smoke. Tobacco smoke may not bother them in the same way either. I know this first hand as my wife, an ex ciggy smoker, has to break out the inhaler when she is anywhere around where some idiot is smoking their trash. If you want to smoke it, do it inside so you can live it and breath it. You don't need to spread the wealth.

[clublights]

I'm advocating being a good neighbor. In reality your neighbor smoking a joint in his back yard effects you no more than if he were smoking a cigarette.
I'm all for banning it from the 16th street mall and parks so you don't get the scum loitering and smoking.
Private property is a different deal. I dont like the way my neibhors face looks.. can we ban that too?

Just for the record that article is about a Denver City Ordnance so even if they implemented it, it would only effect Club Lights..


This is true since I'm one of the few members here " stuck behind the wall "

Tho it does bring up a current situation I am dealing with .

in the apartment next door( as in a share a wall with them) a new couple moved in ... I've only seen them twice but If you called up central casting and asked for two hippies and or potheads... they would have sent over these two .
nice since they have moved in the hallway has STUNK of Weed and putchie . ( however you spell that ) now at what point do I get to complain ? it smells this way 24 hours aday now.( yes 24 .. I work at very odd hours.. somedays I goto work at 8 am .. others at 10pm... ) If I bring a lady over I have to walk her thru this stench. I have tp smell it coming and going...

How is that fair to ME?
At what point is it not ok ?
Hell I'm a cigarette smoker and I can still smell it... according to those of you that are non smokers my nose is destroyed.

No one out side my apartment can smell when I'm enjoying a jameson and coke... or shots of the black death ( AKA Jäger) but if I was tokin it up they could . when does it cross the line?
No one outside my door can tell when I'm cleaning my weapons, or stockpiling ammo ( even in a fire studies have shown that my ammo presents no danger ... search for the SAMMI video posted more then once on this site)

Now true at this point the amount of weed smoke in the hallway does not present a risk of a " contact high" ... and even if it did .. I think I'm the only one in my industry that DOESN'T smoke weed... ( ok not that bad but sure feels like it sometimes... )



Ok after all the ramble .. answer me this

At what point are my "rights" violated ?
Is it just ok for me to be reflected on poorly for others actions? ( ie a chick comes over.. I now live in the smelly apartment building)
At what point does it become NOT ok for them to inflict this on me? is there a line?
Keep in mind I've lived here since 2007. they have lived here 14 days.( as of today )

[Irving]

You have a bad neighbor. You also have a land lord that should deal with the situation.

[clublights]

You have a bad neighbor. You also have a land lord that should deal with the situation.

Agreed .. but i wanted to hear responses.......

I'vr pretty much decided that the second i can smell it INSIDE my apartment i'm going to go crazy on the management.


but still having to walk thru the stench of weed and dirty hippy sucks balls.

[Great-Kazoo]

+1.. I've read that drug related violent crime has already markedly gone up since this referendum was passed.

so have gun related crimes, since the .gov refuses to do anything about back ground checks [Bang]

The media has put so much spin on weed like they have on guns it's embarrassing.

[Great-Kazoo]

Agreed .. but i wanted to hear responses.......

I'vr pretty much decided that the second i can smell it INSIDE my apartment i'm going to go crazy on the management.


but still having to walk thru the stench of weed and dirty hippy sucks balls.

Unless you have documentation / paper trail regarding your concerns , you will not have a bong to stand on.

[Colorado_Outback]

Agreed .. but i wanted to hear responses.......

I'vr pretty much decided that the second i can smell it INSIDE my apartment i'm going to go crazy on the management.


but still having to walk thru the stench of weed and dirty hippy sucks balls.

Apartments are definitely in a different arena. Being a shared hallway I wouldn't be happy about that either.
Like Irving said, inform management and let them sort it out. You all signed the same agreement when you moved in, I'm sure there is a dirty hippy smell clause or something that will put your neighbors in check.

[clublights]

Unless you have documentation / paper trail regarding your concerns , you will not have a bong to stand on.

how so .. they HAVE to know how it smells in the hallway now ( they come over for stuff.. and we are on the first floor.. you have to come thru here.. they are here almost daily . if not daily )

[Great-Kazoo]

how so .. they HAVE to know how it smells in the hallway now ( they come over for stuff.. and we are on the first floor.. you have to come thru here.. they are here almost daily . if not daily )

Them knowing vs. you giving sending written complaints [registered mail] are 2 different things. Management will fall back on, no one has complained about it, why should we get involved. You produce the registered mail receipts, you have a lot of leverage, when you break your lease.

[Colorado_Outback]

Jim is right. Why would they mess with a tenant thats paying if no one is complaining?

[clublights]

Jim is right. Why would they mess with a tenant thats paying if no one is complaining?


If they bring prospective renters in ( tho I think at this time we are full ) they have to come thru the stank to go anywhere else in the building.......


I'm not on a current lease... I'm on a month to month since I've not signed a new one since my first one ran out in 08 .. at least I think that is how it works.

besides I'm sure I could rally other tenants if I had to .. Or I could just move... but I hate moving .

[Colorado_Outback]

If they bring prospective renters in ( tho I think at this time we are full ) they have to come thru the stank to go anywhere else in the building.......

I dunno man, some people are oblivious.

I think you should complain on them, being a rental like I said you all signed the same agreement and agreed to play by the same rules.
No different than if it stank like dog shit or awful chemicals..

[Great-Kazoo]

If they bring prospective renters in ( tho I think at this time we are full ) they have to come thru the stank to go anywhere else in the building.......


I'm not on a current lease... I'm on a month to month since I've not signed a new one since my first one ran out in 08 .. at least I think that is how it works.

besides I'm sure I could rally other tenants if I had to .. Or I could just move... but I hate moving .

Public weed smoking / heavy odor will, or may already attracted other like minded tenants. I suggest you brace yourself for the relocation move, and renters sticker shock. Hell even 5 points 2bdr / 1 bth is running $1-1400 per.
Add the month - month, puts 2-1 odds, management is paying below street on their oz.

[sniper7]

Start complaining now. The come Jan 1, you can tell management if they don't do anything about it they are going to have to deal with the cops in their complex every time you smell it.

[Irving]

You should say something. I may not change something in my building if no one is saying anything. We evicted a lady and AFTER we were gone everyone came out and said how much they hated her.

[Great-Kazoo]

You should say something. I may not change something in my building if no one is saying anything. We evicted a lady and AFTER we were gone everyone came out and said how much they hated her.

Documentation helps, right Irv.

[clublights]

I dunno man, some people are oblivious.

I think you should complain on them, being a rental like I said you all signed the same agreement and agreed to play by the same rules.
No different than if it stank like dog shit or awful chemicals..


Public weed smoking / heavy odor will, or may already attracted other like minded tenants. I suggest you brace yourself for the relocation move, and renters sticker shock. Hell even 5 points 2bdr / 1 bth is running $1-1400 per.
Add the month - month, puts 2-1 odds, management is paying below street on their oz.


Start complaining now. The come Jan 1, you can tell management if they don't do anything about it they are going to have to deal with the cops in their complex every time you smell it.


You should say something. I may not change something in my building if no one is saying anything. We evicted a lady and AFTER we were gone everyone came out and said how much they hated her.


All good points.... I'll get the ball rolling on that soon i think...

[Irving]

Start complaining now. The come Jan 1, you can tell management if they don't do anything about it they are going to have to deal with the cops in their complex every time you smell it.

I could care less if my tenants called the cops on each other. In fact, the cops being at my place more often would probably be pretty nice.


Documentation helps, right Irv.

I'll let you know if someone ever documents anything. HA!

[Gman]

This whole thing is a mess.

Pot is an intoxicant, unlike tobacco. I can't get drunk by being in the same room as someone consuming alcohol. Some folks are also highly allergic to pot. THC is fat soluble, so it won't flush out of the body right away.

My employer won a Colorado court case when they fired someone that was smoking medicinal pot. It's still illegal at the federal level and the employer/employee employment agreement is that it's a drug free workplace. Pot is legal? Almost.

You may be exercising what you feel is your right, but I'm also sensitive to not wanting to be impacted by your choice, not mine. Feel free to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights, but don't shoot in my direction.

I have a co-worker purchasing a home. In his conversations with financers, drug cartel money is already being pumped into Colorado for people to use to purchase grow houses. Gang murders are up this year. Coincidence? Maybe.

[Colorado_Outback]

This whole thing is a mess.

Pot is an intoxicant, unlike tobacco. I can't get drunk by being in the same room as someone consuming alcohol. Some folks are also highly allergic to pot. THC is fat soluble, so it won't flush out of the body right away.

My employer won a Colorado court case when they fired someone that was smoking medicinal pot. It's still illegal at the federal level and the employer/employee employment agreement is that it's a drug free workplace. Pot is legal? Almost.

You may be exercising what you feel is your right, but I'm also sensitive to not wanting to be impacted by your choice, not mine. Feel free to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights, but don't shoot in my direction.

I have a co-worker purchasing a home. In his conversations with financers, drug cartel money is already being pumped into Colorado for people to use to purchase grow houses. Gang murders are up this year. Coincidence? Maybe.

Sigh..

We've all ready been through this, in this thread.

What about BBQ smoke coming over the fence? Its a nuance and has known cancer causing agents in it.

What about the 11yo across the alley from me learning Trumpet in his garage? Its super annoying, it negatively effects my ability to enjoy my back yard. Should I call the cops on him every time he's out there?

[Gman]

...and absolutely none of those things you're comparing is illegal under federal law.

Know your target and what is downwind of it.

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[Colorado_Outback]

...and absolutely none of those things you're comparing is illegal under federal law.

Know your target and what is downwind of it.

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Your right, better not let any of those dangerous stoners get away.

Do you go around reporting MMJ establishments? Its illegal under federal law after all.

[Gman]

I see. Can't argue the facts, so it's personal attack time.

I'm a Libertarian that likes to maintain control of his faculties. Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. If you're in my face looking for a fight, well...you asked for it.

[Irving]

Many people are confused in this thread. Illegal per Federal law in no way constitutes a health issue, nor a rights violation. If we're going to tout about facts, let's use them. If the only reason to call someone in is because they are breaking a law, well then congratulations. Law breaking and being a nuisance and not one in the same.

[buffalobo]

Many people are confused in this thread. Illegal per Federal law in no way constitutes a health issue, nor a rights violation. If we're going to tout about facts, let's use them. If the only reason to call someone in is because they are breaking a law, well then congratulations. Law breaking and being a nuisance and not one in the same.

^^^This, and you guys live too close to your neighbors.

This thread adds credence to my belief that many of societies "ills" are due to so many living packed in such small areas.

[Colorado_Outback]

I see. Can't argue the facts, so it's personal attack time.

I'm a Libertarian that likes to maintain control of his faculties. Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. If you're in my face looking for a fight, well...you asked for it.

LOL how did I personally attack you? They are breaking the same law as your would be pot smoking neighbor... same, same.

What gets me is the " I wanna get someone in trouble cause I don't agree with it" attitude.

How is your neighbor smoking a joint in his back yard, not leaving you alone?

Here's a hypothetical for you..
What if someone called the cops because they saw you open carrying or handling a firearm on your property?
Before you bring the "not federally illegal" into it, the caller doesn't know if you or your weapon are legal or not..

Would you be going to shake that guys hand and thank him for being a concerned citizen, or would you be pissed that he's not minding his own business?

[Irving]

Doesn't have to be illegal to be a nuisance, hence the ENTIRE point of this proposed law, which people seem to have missed completely.

[Gman]

Colorado law doesn't trump federal law.

What I've lived through in Oregon makes more sense than what this state is doing. They decriminalized at the state level. What was once a felony became a petty misdemeanor.

We're trying to make something that is still illegal a taxed commodity. That's why I didn't vote for this mess. We're just beginning to deal with the problems of pretending that there's nothing wrong with it...when legally, there's something really wrong with it.

We're attacking this problem like our current federal government operates. Instead of changing the law, we'll just slap some band-aid on it as a workaround. In the process, we've brought in all sorts of unintended consequences. Instead of fixing the underlying problem, we'll just pile all kinds of confusing legislation and regulation on top of it. Repeat.

When you find yourself in a hole, put down the shovel. Don't go grabbing another shovel with a different colored handle.

[Gman]

LOL how did I personally attack you?

Do you go around reporting MMJ establishments? Its illegal under federal law after all.
If I'm being exposed to the smoke from an illegal substance in my yard or in my residence that's a problem. I'm not sure why you just don't get that.

If you're being exposed to the fumes from a meth lab in the apartment next door, are you just supposed to live with it?

[Dave_L]

I'm waiting for the "My neighbor called me in because he saw my 30 round Pmag" thread to pop up.

I see both sides of this argument. I don't know what the answer is beyond buying a house with land so you don't have to worry about neighbors. Which I know isn't possible for everyone.

[Aloha_Shooter]

If I'm being exposed to the smoke from an illegal substance in my yard or in my residence that's a problem. I'm not sure why you just don't get that.

Perhaps prior inhalations have affected his ability to process that IF A THEN B and IF B THEN C mean IF A THEN C.

[dirtrulz]

I do a lot of driving for my job and am subject to periodic drug tests. If I were your neighbor and I failed my test and got fired are you going to pay my bills. You would likely say sucks for me and light one up.

Personally never understood why people felt the need to alter their reality with drugs, alchahol, weed, etc. If your reality sucks thT bad do something about it. All you get wi th drugs is a temporary false reality and you get to spend a bunch of money doing it. Money you could spend to make your actual reality better.

[Colorado_Outback]

samhsa cutoff for thc is 15 ng/ml. Your dui in the state of CO at 5 ng/ml.
http://workplace.samhsa.gov/DrugTesting/pdf/2010GuidelinesAnalytesCutoffs.pdf

I have no idea the volume of air in you and your potential pot smoking neighbors back yard but that amount of smoke in that amount of air will never get you to 15 ng/ml. Never.
Inside a Honda maybe, confined space for a period of time, sure I can believe that.

Just because you can smell it doesn't mean your ingesting THC.

But by all means call the cops on everyone you see if that makes you feel better/safe.



Perhaps prior inhalations have affected his ability to process that IF A THEN B and IF B THEN C mean IF A THEN C.

Take note Gman. Thats a personal attack.

Feel free to stereotype me on my avatar, sig line and my position on this issue.

No skin off my nose.

The fact of the matter is just because you can smell the oder of marijuana doesn't mean your ingesting THC. Its not "harming you" any more than a day in front of the smoker or grill, much less so in fact.

Just think about the volume of air circulating in your combined back yards to the volume of smoke. Its never going to "harm you". Never.

Please provide some sources or study's that show how damaging second hand weed smoke is or that marijuana causes cancer.. Since you want to argue the facts..

[Colorado_Outback]

Here's a hypothetical for you..
What if someone called the cops because they saw you open carrying or handling a firearm on your property?
Before you bring the "not federally illegal" into it, the caller doesn't know if you or your weapon are legal or not..

Would you be going to shake that guys hand and thank him for being a concerned citizen, or would you be pissed that he's not minding his own business?

Care to give your 2cents AlohaShooter?

Since Gman doesn't want to play..

[Irving]

Being aware of something illegal isn't the same as being exposed to it. This is a nuisance law, not a see something say something law.

[Colorado_Outback]

I do a lot of driving for my job and am subject to periodic drug tests. If I were your neighbor and I failed my test and got fired are you going to pay my bills. You would likely say sucks for me and light one up.

Read back through this thread and educate yourself on how Marijuana is ingested, how your body processes THC and the minimum level needed to fail a drug test (15ng/ml).

Its impossible for you to fail a wizz quiz because your neighbor is smoking a yard, or apartment away. Impossible.

[Great-Kazoo]

Read back through this thread and educate yourself on how Marijuana is ingested, how your body processes THC and the minimum level needed to fail a drug test (15ng/ml).

Its impossible for you to fail a wizz quiz because your neighbor is smoking a yard, or apartment away. Impossible.


yes it is unfortunately some folks don't grasp it. Just like owning a firearm doesn't mean it will jump out of the safe and start shooting people.

If you have concerns about pot investigate it, on web sites and other sources other than anti -pot ones. As i ask people to do when condemning guns based on "facts".

Personally the bottom line is REVENUE, how can the city and or state grab as much of your money, as possible. be it Alcohol, tobacco, weed, firearms, vehicle registration etc.

[BushMasterBoy]

Don't eat the neighbors cookies.

[Colorado_Outback]

yes it is unfortunately some folks don't grasp it. Just like owning a firearm doesn't mean it will jump out of the safe and start shooting people.

If you have concerns about pot investigate it on web sites and other sources other than anti -pot ones. As i ask people to do when condemning guns based on "facts".

Personally the bottom line is REVENUE, how can the city and or state grab as much of your money, as possible. be it Alcohol, tobacco, weed, firearms, vehicle registration etc.

The average "anti" in this thread understands how marjuana and THC effect your body on a similar level that a liberal understands a 30rd mag.

At least attempt to educate yourself on the topic before whipping it out and going balls deep right off the bat..

[crays]

The average "anti" in this thread understands how marjuana and THC effect your body on a similar level that a liberal understands a 30rd mag.

A little past center, towards harsh, to your fellow forum brothers. I have seen, and will continue to see, posts and replies that I do not agree with, or even sometimes understand the thought process that created them, but geeze...IT'S A CLIP, DAMMIT!!!!

[Gman]

Since Gman doesn't want to play..
I'm not sure what gave you that idea, but you keep poking your finger in my direction for some reason. I work during the day.

Are you a doctor? You get to make the call to just how much I can be exposed to, not me? Apparently I don't have the right to 'opt out' if you deem the dosage low enough. That's some definition of an individual's right.

[Colorado_Outback]

A little past center, towards harsh, to your fellow forum brothers. I have seen, and will continue to see, posts and replies that I do not agree with, or even sometimes understand the thought process that created them, but geeze...IT'S A CLIP, DAMMIT!!!!

These guys are talking about failing a wizz quiz because their neighbor is smoking weed.. I think my anioligy is spot on.

[crays]

These guys are talking about failing a wizz quiz because their neighbor is smoking weed.. I think my analogy is spot on.

No worries. Just trying to lighten it up a bit.

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[Colorado_Outback]

Are you a doctor? You get to make the call to just how much I can be exposed to, not me? Apparently I don't have the right to 'opt out' if you deem the dosage low enough. That's some definition of an individual's right.

No I'm not a Dr. and I do support your right to "opt out". Thats one of the many great things about this country, your free to live where ever you like.

And since were talking about a potential Denver city ordnance if/when you did call the cops on someone smoking weed in public view or that you could smell, your probably going to get told "tough". Since it will be "legal" in your city/area.

Im still waiting to see your "facts" about how dangerous second hand weed smoke is in an open air environment BTW..

EDIT: For argument's sake any type of smoke in an open air environment.

[Colorado_Outback]

No worries. Just trying to lighten it up a bit.

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Just reread your post. Some how I missed the sarcasm in CAPS at the end. haha

Well played. Your sig line as well.

[crays]

Just reread your post. Some how I missed the sarcasm in CAPS at the end. haha

Well played. Your sig line as well.

As stated: No worries. It's all good.

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[Gman]

Im still waiting to see your "facts" about how dangerous second hand weed smoke is in an open air environment BTW..

EDIT: For argument's sake any type of smoke in an open air environment.
You seem to be directing at me again, but I didn't make that point.

The absence of data does not mean that there is no risk (http://learnaboutmarijuanawa.org/factsheets/respiratoryeffects.htm). Very few long-term studies have been done.

If you get tired of this angle, you could also argue about smoking in open air stadiums.

[Irving]

That's a great comparison for backyards with assigned seating.

[Colorado_Outback]

You seem to be directing at me again, but I didn't make that point.

The absence of data does not mean that there is no risk (http://learnaboutmarijuanawa.org/factsheets/respiratoryeffects.htm). Very few long-term studies have been done.

If you get tired of this angle, you could also argue about smoking in open air stadiums.

I'm directing it at you because you seem to be convinced that it can cause you serious harm.

Thanks for at least posting a source, even though it doesn't talk about the effects of second hand smoke. I do concede the fact that the absence of test data doesn't mean there is no risk. that's why I edited it to reflect any type of smoke to make it easier for you to find data..

If you really think that your neighbor smoking a joint in his back yard is going to adversely effect your health. You should probably sport a fresh air mask everywhere you go, there is all kinds of nasty stuff floating around the atmosphere.

I have no problem with smoking, guns or anything else being banned on private prop. I fully support that property owners right to assign what ever rules he/she sees fit. Thought that would have been pretty obvious since its been my position for 13 pages now.

[Great-Kazoo]

I'm directing it at you because you seem to be convinced that it can cause you serious harm.

Thanks for at least posting a source, even though it doesn't talk about the effects of second hand smoke. I do concede the fact that the absence of test data doesn't mean there is no risk. that's why I edited it to reflect any type of smoke to make it easier for you to find data..

If you really think that your neighbor smoking a joint in his back yard is going to adversely effect your health. You should probably sport a fresh air mask everywhere you go, there is all kinds of nasty stuff floating around the atmosphere.

I have no problem with smoking, guns or anything else being banned on private prop. I fully support that property owners right to assign what ever rules he/she sees fit. Thought that would have been pretty obvious since its been my position for 13 pages now.


3-4, reset your preferences. ;)

[Colorado_Outback]

3-4, reset your preferences. ;)


Que?

[Great-Kazoo]

Que?

it's only 4 pages long. you need to change some settings. OR ask your neighbor to stop smoking out doors [Beer]

[Colorado_Outback]

it's only 4 pages long. you need to change some settings. OR ask your neighbor to stop smoking out doors [Beer]

Good call. My neighbor had me so hi (/sarcasm) I forgot that spider7's hangup from page 3 or 4 was about him failing a wizz quiz due to his neighbor smoking.

[spqrzilla]

The average "anti" in this thread understands how marjuana and THC effect your body on a similar level that a liberal understands a 30rd mag.

At least attempt to educate yourself on the topic before whipping it out and going balls deep right off the bat..
Sure is a good thing that I'm above average.

[Ronin13]

Wow, this sure has been an interesting read- and while I don't support or defend or advocate or like or dislike the use, consumption, cultivation or sale of marijuana, I also can't get behind this ordinance Denver proposes. Having said that, freedom is freedom and your freedom ends where my nose begins (pun definitely intended).

Now I have no fear of 2nd hand smoke from a neighbors residence making me pop hot on a UA, I do take issue that MJ smoke bothers me and I choose not to be around it while enjoying my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of my personal happiness on my personal property (rented or owned), and I have no issue with informing the other party that I would prefer if they not put themselves in a position while smoking to where it can waft, blow or otherwise come into my residence. I've had this happen while living in an apartment in Lakewood- neighbors below smoking weed on their deck, smoke billowed up into my apartment via the open glass door (screen closed), too damn hot to just close the door and turn on the AC ($$). I went down, asked very politely if they would not smoke outside where it can waft into my apartment, they told me and I quote "Fuck off." I made no complaint, although I should have, but it showed the type of people they were, I let it slide and thanks to my moving out shortly thereafter (for other reasons, not them) I didn't make any more issues of it. Now, some will say I should have just closed my door if it bothers me so much, but I ask at what point do I give concession to their activities at the cost of my Xcel bill being higher due to AC use? So whenever they smoke I can't enjoy fresh air? I personally don't like the smell, and would like to enjoy my fresh air (I know, in the Metro area that's a loose term) and not bother anyone and not be bothered myself.

It's a very fine line here, even if no law has been broken, are we not to legitimately expect peace and security in our property and persons? For me, and I'm sure others, being free from MJ smoke would be some form of peace in my own residence. Not saying we should lock everyone up for being an annoyance to their neighbors, but also not saying everyone has the absolute right to do whatever the hell they want just because it's legal.

[Irving]

There shouldn't be a marijuana specific law. This law would need to apply to cooking Indian food or wearing Patchuli as well.

[KevDen2005]

There shouldn't be a marijuana specific law. This law would need to apply to cooking Indian food or wearing Patchuli as well.


What are you trying to say about Indian food, man?! First of all, Buffalo doesn't smell bad and second, don't be racist!

[Irving]

It'd be fine if I didn't have to smell them utilizing all the parts every single time.

[buffalobo]

What are you trying to say about Indian food, man?! First of all, Buffalo doesn't smell bad and second, don't be racist!

^^^This.

Why it always gotta be about the buffalo?

[dirtrulz]

Read back through this thread and educate yourself on how Marijuana is ingested, how your body processes THC and the minimum level needed to fail a drug test (15ng/ml).

Its impossible for you to fail a wizz quiz because your neighbor is smoking a yard, or apartment away. Impossible.


So when you and four of your buddies are lighting them up on the deck below me and blowing your smoke up at me laughing because you think it is legal and I can do nothing, and you still think that I will not have a possibility of coming up positive on a test. I would be ingesting it the same way you are, orally. Using your thinking it would be impossible to get lung cancer from second hand smoke. You need to realize not all neighbors are 50 feet away in another yard.

[Irving]

So when you and four of your buddies are lighting them up on the deck below me and blowing your smoke up at me laughing because you think it is legal and I can do nothing, and you still think that I will not have a possibility of coming up positive on a test. I would be ingesting it the same way you are, orally. Using your thinking it would be impossible to get lung cancer from second hand smoke. You need to realize not all neighbors are 50 feet away in another yard.

I think that even in this situation, you'd have to go out of your way to come up hot on a pee test. That's not to say that it wouldn't be annoying. 4 people smoking one pipe, joint, bong, whatever, is still only one pipe. Possible, but unlikely everyone would have their own.

Anyway, everyone understands that people don't like the smell and it is rude. The issue is that legal or not legal, it is a stretch to consider it a safety issue or a rights violation. For those opposed, just sack up (like Luigi has) and admit that you'd call in because you don't like it. Quit trying to convince yourself, or anyone else that your health, or the law has anything to do with this. You don't like it, and are tickled by the possibility that a law could exist to help you combat a pet peeve.

Freedom isn't free, and freedom isn't always clean and shiney. Sometimes, freedom smells like weed and sounds like loud music. The alternative of getting the law involved isn't freedom for anyone.

[Great-Kazoo]

So when you and four of your buddies are lighting them up on the deck below me and blowing your smoke up at me laughing because you think it is legal and I can do nothing, and you still think that I will not have a possibility of coming up positive on a test. I would be ingesting it the same way you are, orally. Using your thinking it would be impossible to get lung cancer from second hand smoke. You need to realize not all neighbors are 50 feet away in another yard.

You're not ingesting it orally. You are inhaling a diluted amount of smoke. Everyone should keep in mind. inhaling (as clinton would deny) small amounts of "weed" directly IF you're not an actual indulger very rarely, very, will you get a hot UA. Smike a joint today, one tomorrow, POP goes the weasel on a UA, within 30-40 days. Follicle test run 6 months.
I attended a jethro tull concert way back when. I was probably one of 10-20 folks NOT smoking weed, when the lights came on, the arena was thick with the shit. 2 days later UA , passed.


FWIW: SECOND HAND SMOKE test were performed where the non-smoker was in daily contact / household / work / car over a period of time. You catching wiff's of weed from the balcony, or over the fence , not happening.

[bellavite1]

I think that even in this situation, you'd have to go out of your way to come up hot on a pee test. That's not to say that it wouldn't be annoying. 4 people smoking one pipe, joint, bong, whatever, is still only one pipe. Possible, but unlikely everyone would have their own.

Anyway, everyone understands that people don't like the smell and it is rude. The issue is that legal or not legal, it is a stretch to consider it a safety issue or a rights violation. For those opposed, just sack up (like Luigi has) and admit that you'd call in because you don't like it. Quit trying to convince yourself, or anyone else that your health, or the law has anything to do with this. You don't like it, and are tickled by the possibility that a law could exist to help you combat a pet peeve.

Freedom isn't free, and freedom isn't always clean and shiney. Sometimes, freedom smells like weed and sounds like loud music. The alternative of getting the law involved isn't freedom for anyone.

Thanks Irving, I'll take it as a compliment...[Beer]
But, just for the record, I am (or was) a live and let live kind of person, but at this point my gloves are off and anything that makes the libs feel unwelcome in Colorado is a good thing!

[BREATHER]

Once, fucking again, why are these people smoking weed and not fucking working. Take a look at that photo, I can just about guarantee that 9 out of 10 of thoses POS's are getting some sort of "check" out of our tax money. I DO NOT have a problem with weed, I have a problem with non-working, on the dole ass monkeys. Close down the gubment ???? close down most welfare progams and let the shits riot then deal with them.... And second, thank God that I can live in the suburbs and my house is not butted up to some other asses house.

[Colorado_Outback]

So when you and four of your buddies are lighting them up on the deck below me and blowing your smoke up at me laughing because you think it is legal and I can do nothing, and you still think that I will not have a possibility of coming up positive on a test. I would be ingesting it the same way you are, orally. Using your thinking it would be impossible to get lung cancer from second hand smoke. You need to realize not all neighbors are 50 feet away in another yard.

Simmer down, Sally.
Feel free to quote me admitting to smoking marijuana on this forum. You wont find it.

As I told Aloha_Shooter feel free to stereo type me on my avitar, sig line and position on this issue. No skin off my nose.

And its still impossible for you to fail a whiz quiz or get lung cancer from second hand smoke IN AN OPEN AIR ENVIRONMENT! Inside a honda for a couple hours, sure I can believe you could ingest enough to pop hot. Lung cancer from second hand smoke takes years of exposure, not seconds...

But feel free to keep trying to convince me that you can be harmed by it. Its amusing.

Further more if you would have read this thread at all you would have seen that I encouraged ClubLights to turn in his stinky neighbors. Apartments are a completely different arena.

[Great-Kazoo]

Once, fucking again, why are these people smoking weed and not fucking working. Take a look at that photo, I can just about guarantee that 9 out of 10 of thoses POS's are getting some sort of "check" out of our tax money. I DO NOT have a problem with weed, I have a problem with non-working, on the dole ass monkeys. Close down the gubment ???? close down most welfare progams and let the shits riot then deal with them.... And second, thank God that I can live in the suburbs and my house is not butted up to some other asses house.

This is a whole different subject, worthy of it's own thread. IF i have to take a Drug test for work, ANYONE on a .gov assisted program SHOULD TOO.

[buckeye4rnr]

Wow, this sure has been an interesting read- and while I don't support or defend or advocate or like or dislike the use, consumption, cultivation or sale of marijuana, I also can't get behind this ordinance Denver proposes. Having said that, freedom is freedom and your freedom ends where my nose begins (pun definitely intended).

Now I have no fear of 2nd hand smoke from a neighbors residence making me pop hot on a UA, I do take issue that MJ smoke bothers me and I choose not to be around it while enjoying my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of my personal happiness on my personal property (rented or owned), and I have no issue with informing the other party that I would prefer if they not put themselves in a position while smoking to where it can waft, blow or otherwise come into my residence. I've had this happen while living in an apartment in Lakewood- neighbors below smoking weed on their deck, smoke billowed up into my apartment via the open glass door (screen closed), too damn hot to just close the door and turn on the AC ($$). I went down, asked very politely if they would not smoke outside where it can waft into my apartment, they told me and I quote "Fuck off." I made no complaint, although I should have, but it showed the type of people they were, I let it slide and thanks to my moving out shortly thereafter (for other reasons, not them) I didn't make any more issues of it. Now, some will say I should have just closed my door if it bothers me so much, but I ask at what point do I give concession to their activities at the cost of my Xcel bill being higher due to AC use? So whenever they smoke I can't enjoy fresh air? I personally don't like the smell, and would like to enjoy my fresh air (I know, in the Metro area that's a loose term) and not bother anyone and not be bothered myself.

It's a very fine line here, even if no law has been broken, are we not to legitimately expect peace and security in our property and persons? For me, and I'm sure others, being free from MJ smoke would be some form of peace in my own residence. Not saying we should lock everyone up for being an annoyance to their neighbors, but also not saying everyone has the absolute right to do whatever the hell they want just because it's legal.


I've been dealing with this recently. Neighbor below smokes weed non-stop on the weekends and it comes directly into my apartment. If it were a joint here and there I wouldn't(and in the past, haven't) cared at all because 'murica and a small amount seems to dissipate quickly.

During one of their all day blaze sessions, I told them to take it inside and stink up their own apartment or take it to the top of the parking garage where it really affects no one but they told me to F-off. Since it is still illegal in this state, and my apartment lease specifically prohibits depriving neighbors of their right to enjoyment of their own property, I and apparently 4 of my other neighbors complained to management... Cheech is going to get evicted the next time anyone complains about him. The stuff this guy smokes absolutely reeks, sticks around for awhile, and managed to make its way into my closet. I cannot have any of that smell linger or I'm getting canned immediately. I'm also not about to pay Xcel any extra money when the weather is perfect for open windows, if that asshole wants to smoke weed he can do it in his own apartment, with his windows closed, and pay for his own AC use.

[hatidua]

your freedom ends where my nose begins

If that were true, dairy farms,pig farms, commercial poultry farms, etc. would have long since gone out of business.

[Great-Kazoo]

If that were true, dairy farms,pig farms, commercial poultry farms, etc. would have long since gone out of business.

They tried to shut down a small dairy farm, in windsor. The Judge told them "If the smell bothers you, you should have purchased a house elsewhere"

[strm_trpr]

I hate weed but this is bullshit. Just because I don't agree with it does not mean that it should be illegal. That line of thought is the same as what is attacking gun rights.

[brokenscout]

What if they are vegetarians and your grilling offends them,lol
I will have an issue if people are smoking it near my son. neighbors or not, if they don't want the smell in their house, I sure don't want it wafting around me while I'm out grilling or making the outside of my house smell like pot.

luckily none of my immediate neighbors even spend time outside or smoke weed.

[dirtrulz]

I hate weed but this is bullshit. Just because I don't agree with it does not mean that it should be illegal. That line of thought is the same as what is attacking gun rights.


I dont think there needs to be a law against it or a fine, It just really annoys me that there is no consideration for other people. A dairy farm is a business, it is somebodies livelihood, you cant just shut it down because someone doesnt like it. Weed is recreational in most cases and there is no reason you cant be considerate to others while smoking it. The problem is people looking at it wrong, it is not "the man" trying to keep you down and take your rights, it is just your neighbor asking you politely to change an action that is negatively affecting his life. If the average weed smoker spent as much time doing more constructive things like changing the education system, working, making their communities better as they do smoking and eating Cheetos this country could possibly be better for it.

As far as it being nearly impossible to get a positive piss test from second hand smoke., one in ten thousand is still too much for me to lose my job over. How long will it take before a piss test is part of your background check for gun purchases? Dont they already iliminate you if you have a medical card?

[Irving]

No they don't eliminate you for a card. It's all over blown hype.

[Dave_L]

They do ask if you've been prescribed or addicted to marijuana though. Something to that effect.

[Great-Kazoo]

No they don't eliminate you for a card. It's all over blown hype.

Actually the ATF did a review of Colorado's medical MJ registry 2 years ago. OT: While Dr. / patient confidentiality exist what every one who has a card FORGOT is. The registery is not HIPPA protected.