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Many people who are younger than I don't understand or remember the Iran Contra scandal from the 1980s. Well short of it. Reagan or his team committed treason by bribing the Iranians to hold the US hostages using a weapons deals. Reagan did this in order to make Carter look bad. Basically using US lives and working against our nation aiding our enemies in order to get himself elected.... Well the former president of Iran just admitted that is what happened. He admitted that Reagan bribed Khomeini the Shah of Iran to hold the hostages. It was the thing that got Reagan elected... an act of treason. Why did this all happen, because the Iranians had tons of US equipment that they had no spare parts to (jet fighters and other weapons systems) Reagan promised them those military weapons parts and asked they hold the hostages till after he was elected.
I know many of you here will not like this news. But I thought you might want to read it. I personally hope for the day that a person like Eisenhower can run for president again. I honestly do hope the conservative movement can get rid of the cancer and bring back honorable people I would be proud to vote for. But getting things like that to happen will only happen when people are able to learn from historical mistakes. You want to read something else interesting that will never got proper news coverage.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Global-Viewpoint/2013/0305/Argo-helps-Iran-s-dictatorship-harms-democracy
Jumpstart
10-24-2013, 18:11
"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
Ronald Reagan
You know what yesterday was... the 30 anniversary of the attack in the Marines in Lebanon. The same attack where Reagan tucked tail and ran and the same attack where Reagan had disarmed all the Marines prior to that event. History is not as clear as you all want it to be in reference to the right wing version of Reagan. I don't like Obama... so please please can the conservative movement get is act back together and find the modern Eisenhower?
Yep.. kill the messanger
or bleach the gene pool
The "October Surprise" has been a conspiracy theory since it happened . . . absolutely no proof it went down like that . . . and the Iranian president is not a credible source.
"I have no recollection of those events."
(actually I'm slightly too young to have been paying attention when that was going on)
There is no proof offered in that article and the author has a reason to hold a grudge (he also would have been in the loop). Someday everything will get declassified and we'll know, until then we know guns were sold and the money sent to our 'friends' in Central America, both illegal acts. Exactly who ordered it and knew about it, time may well.
jhood001
10-24-2013, 18:23
and the Iranian president is not a credible source.
bee eye and geo
Aloha_Shooter
10-24-2013, 18:32
You really need to work on your historical comprehension before posting. The putative "October Surprise" has long been a delusion postulated by liberals who were offended by his staunch anti-Communism and just couldn't get over the fact that Americans threw Jimmy Carter out on his ear for being the (now second-) most inept incompetent President in US history.
First, Khomeini wasn't the Shah, he was the Ayatollah that spawned the movement that overthrew the Shah.
Second, the editorial is primarily about 'Argo'. The author claims -- without any substantiation or logical inference -- that Khomeini and Reagan colluded. How exactly they were supposed to even be communicating at a time when communications were embargoed isn't stated. Why Khomeini would have struck a bargain with an actor and former governor when he was unwilling to do so with the current President of the US isn't explained. Remember, this was before Reagan had any actual political power -- he hadn't even solidified the Republican nomination and was actively opposed by the Rockefeller Republicans at the point these talks were supposed to have taken place.
Third, Bani-Sadr's .... Bani-Sadr. 'nuff said.
What got Reagan elected was the abject failure of Democratic softness against Communism, Carter's demonstrable incompetence (economic malaise, anyone?), and his obvious disconnect from the Real World (remember his "stern letter" to the Soviet Union objecting to their invasion of Afghanistan?). The hostages weren't even released until after the election (Inauguration Day). Nice attempt to rewrite history but it's right up there with Obama's "everything is Bush's fault" mantra.
...and there you have it.
BushMasterBoy
10-24-2013, 18:49
I'm an insider on the Tehran hostage deal. Went to high school with the youngest hostage. The story is untrue.
SideShow Bob
10-24-2013, 18:49
And anyone that was half way intelligent and of voting age at the time had a suspicion that something like this is what went down........
Aloha_Shooter
10-24-2013, 18:54
And anyone that was half way intelligent and of voting age at the time had a suspicion that something like this is what went down........
Yeah, those with half-intelligence are the primary promulgators of this malarkey ...
Rooskibar03
10-24-2013, 18:58
Another example of progressives rewriting history. Just wait, our children's children will learn a completely different history of this nation than we did.
some of you younger people might not remember this ..well maybe ol'blaster might . the Boston tea party was started because Americans like coffee more than tea and those awful British would not open a starbucks !
some of you younger people might not remember this ..well maybe ol'blaster might . the Boston tea party was started because Americans like coffee more than tea and those awful British would not open a starbucks !
Bloody bastards!!! :)
And once again we see that people will do anything to preserve their idolic leaders of the past. We know for a fact that Reagan did sell arms and Merl just admitted that. We have an Iranian corroborating the details and still still.... people refuse to believe it. The hostages were release when? What day? You guys scream that you can't trust gov... except when it is your guy.
http://i.imgur.com/nkO3Pji.jpg
Yeah, you've got no dog in this hunt.
You guys scream that you can't trust gov... except when it is your guy.
Funny, that's what people say about the left too.
BTW, your claim that Reagan turned tail and ran after the barracks bombing is false. I'm not old enough to have been there myself, but I know somebody who was there when it happened and participated in the response.
BushMasterBoy
10-24-2013, 19:16
I used to think nynco was being picked on unfairly...
I used to think nynco was being picked on unfairly...
[ROFL1]
hghclsswhitetrsh
10-24-2013, 19:18
And once again we see that people will do anything to preserve their idolic leaders of the past. We know for a fact that Reagan did sell arms and Merl just admitted that. We have an Iranian corroborating the details and still still.... people refuse to believe it. The hostages were release when? What day? You guys scream that you can't trust gov... except when it is your guy.
I don't trust any of em. Scamming rat bastards.
tmleadr03
10-24-2013, 19:19
I used to think nynco was being picked on unfairly...
I used to read his posts.
I clicked this thread to see if I was still right. Yup.
I used to think nynco was being picked on unfairly...
[ROFL1]
LOL [LOL]
nynco is just bait
Is this your way of convincing your liberal friends that they should support the 2nd Amendment?
The leaders of Iran, including this guy, deny the Holocaust. Yeah, they are credible [Sarcasm2]
What did you think would happen when you post garbage like this?
And once again we see that people will do anything to preserve their idolic leaders of the past. We know for a fact that Reagan did sell arms and Merl just admitted that. We have an Iranian corroborating the details and still still.... people refuse to believe it. The hostages were release when? What day? You guys scream that you can't trust gov... except when it is your guy.
Coming from a guy that put obama in office, your "facts" are just as worthless as your opinion.
I don't trust any of em. Scamming rat bastards.
Neither do I. I don't like Obama, W, Clintoon, HW or Reagan. Last president that was worth a crap was Carter for his compassion... NOT his leadership abilities (Horrible president and idiot that way). If conservatism was a reflection of who Eisenhower was, I would be proud to vote GOP.
Is this your way of convincing your liberal friends that they should support the 2nd Amendment?
The leaders of Iran, including this guy, deny the Holocaust. Yeah, they are credible [Sarcasm2]
What did you think would happen when you post garbage like this?
To my knowledge CStone... this guy has never said anything about the Holocaust. He was deposed in 1982 I think and replaced with a hard line religious right winger of Khomeini's choosing.
Misinformation is how it starts, as we get closer to election season. It's only a matter of time before the left begins financially supporting the Libertarian party so they can continue to split the vote and get democraps elected to every position available. I don't know what you are talking about with Jimmy Carter, I bought my first house and the interest rate was only 14.5% for thirty years. It was a great time to be in the home building industry, business was booming with those great interest rates. And what ever you do don't pay any attention to that pesky "Misery Index".
http://i.imgur.com/55jjb.jpg
Miss information is how it starts, as we get closer to election season. It's only a matter of time before the left begins financially supporting the Libertarian party so they can continue to split the vote and get democraps elected to every position available. I don't know what you are talking about with Jimmy Carter, I bought my first house and the interest rate was only 14.5% for thirty years. It was a great time to be in the home building industry, business was booming with those great interest rates. And what ever you do don't pay any attention to that pesky "Misery Index".
...or waiting in line to get gas.
I'd like to see some pictures of this Miss Information if you have some. She sounds hot.
...or waiting in line to get gas.
I'd like to see some pictures of this Miss Information if you have some. She sounds hot.
Yeah the oil embargo was a bad thing. Had we kept up with Carters reforms for solar and many other things, we would not be giving so much money to the Arab bastards now.
Holger Danske
10-24-2013, 20:20
I think Reagan was a great President. The whole Star Wars initiative, putting battleships back into service, and I think he had the CIA clone a veloraptor to ride as he lead the US of A to victory in the cold war.
buffalobo
10-24-2013, 20:22
Miss information is how it starts, as we get closer to election season. It's only a matter of time before the left begins financially supporting the Libertarian party so they can continue to split the vote and get democraps elected to every position available. I don't know what you are talking about with Jimmy Carter, I bought my first house and the interest rate was only 14.5% for thirty years. It was a great time to be in the home building industry, business was booming with those great interest rates. And what ever you do don't pay any attention to that pesky "Misery Index".
...or waiting in line to get gas.
I'd like to see some pictures of this Miss Information if you have some. She sounds hot.
And a link to info about left financially supporting Libertarian party, since misinformation is part of the discussion.
He didn't say it was happening, but it makes logical sense. Clinton won 2 elections without a majority. You can thank Ross Perot for that.
If I had my way... which is in the interests of all Americans left and right, we would rid our nation of the scourge of the two party system using this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting
osok-308
10-24-2013, 20:32
Neither do I. I don't like Obama, W, Clintoon, HW or Reagan. Last president that was worth a crap was Carter for his compassion... NOT his leadership abilities (Horrible president and idiot that way). If conservatism was a reflection of who Eisenhower was, I would be proud to vote GOP.
[ROFL1] Everything about Carter was so horrible that I wouldn't use toilet paper if it was called "Carter" out of fear of getting S**t all over my hands. YOU might not like Reagan, but at least during his time we saw an end to the cold war.
Side note, why are you the bullet button of gun owners?
Carter was a total idiot but he was better than Reagan who's team committed treason to rig an election. That is why I say Carter is better. That and the push for energy independence is a big deal to me. I don't want to give money the Arabs.
[ROFL1]
Oh damn, you make me laugh.
You actually believe what you write, and you repeat it in public.
That there is funny.
Good for you.
[ROFL1]
Jesus-With-A-.45
10-24-2013, 20:47
Holy God.......is this guy for real or just an elaborate troll?
Holger Danske
10-24-2013, 20:47
Carter didnt have a veloraptor. just peanuts. Plus 1 for Reagan.
osok-308
10-24-2013, 20:54
Carter was a total idiot but he was better than Reagan who's team committed treason to rig an election. That is why I say Carter is better. That and the push for energy independence is a big deal to me. I don't want to give money the Arabs.
Why don't you want to give money to the Arabs? Is it because you don't trust them? If you don't trust them, then how do you trust the former president of Iran saying that Reagan did commit treason? (Paradox)
Also I have dogs with greater cognitive capacity than carter. Reagan did ten times more good for America than Carter.
Why don't you want to give money to the Arabs? Is it because you don't trust them? If you don't trust them, then how do you trust the former president of Iran saying that Reagan did commit treason? (Paradox)
Also I have dogs with greater cognitive capacity than carter. Reagan did ten times more good for America than Carter.
It is a paradox of sorts. In the end I don't want to give money or power to any other country but the US. I don't like free trade laws that hurt our nation with massive trade deficits and I most certainly hate giving money to Arab govs that then use that money to bankroll terrorism (Saudis). As to trusting this guy... yeah I believe him because of where he was and the circumstances of his removal from office.
osok-308
10-24-2013, 21:04
So you trust the leader of the people you don't trust? [dig]
He was the former leader who was tossed out by the enemies of America. Not all Iranians are bad. We already do know that people in Reagans administration did sell arms to the Iranians. That is a historical fact that came out in the hearings. The only thing that saved Reagans ass was he pleaded the 5th by stating he could not remember. So yeah, I believe a guy who just corroborated and gave more detail to the holes in the story that our investigation could not get into because of national secrecy and obstruction.
buffalobo
10-24-2013, 21:15
Why don't you want to give money to the Arabs? Is it because you don't trust them? If you don't trust them, then how do you trust the former president of Iran saying that Reagan did commit treason? (Paradox)
Also I have dogs with greater cognitive capacity than carter. Reagan did ten times more good for America than Carter.
Most Iranians do not consider themselves Arabs.
Jimmy Carter was a joke as a president.
Iranians are primarily of Persian decent.
Most Iranians do not consider themselves Arabs.
Jimmy Carter was a joke as a president.
Yes Carter was a joke. He was a horrible president in action because he was not a strong enough leader. He was a nice guy...
However had we stayed the course on his vision of solar/wind/renewable, we would be the world leader today rather than playing catch-up to countries like Germany. I don't like the fact that we have to buy so much oil for so long from the Saudis... F them.
And yes Persians are not Arabs... I am being racist in my generalization.
Most Iranians do not consider themselves Arabs.
Jimmy Carter was a joke as a president.
yep they are Persians. Just the facts in this thread.
Name an uncorrupted politician currently or past that was on the world stage ( Senator, President, Secretary of blank, ect.) And I'll show you my underground bunker filled with trolls I have slayed with my battleaxe. On a side note Carter was a douche and Reagan signed the 1986 NFA law. That is all.
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Jeffrey Lebowski
10-24-2013, 21:22
Good Lord, this thread....
Blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda, whatever. More empty talk about pie in the sky while denying what the man was really about. You're also totally excusing his bashing of this country, outside of this country, after his presidency. The only positive I can see from Carter is Habitat for Humanity. You can keep the rest of it.
Its like the gift that keeps on giving.
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Blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda, whatever. More empty talk about pie in the sky while denying what the man was really about. You're also totally excusing his bashing of this country, outside of this country, after his presidency. The only positive I can see from Carter is Habitat for Humanity. You can keep the rest of it.
Why is bashing this country wrong... you all do it all the time when you berate the gov. Pot meet kettle....
Name an uncorrupted politician currently or past that was on the world stage ( Senator, President, Secretary of blank, ect.) And I'll show you my underground bunker filled with trolls I have slayed with my battleaxe. On a side note Carter was a douche and Reagan signed the 1986 NFA law. That is all.
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Actually Reagan is responsible for many of the gun laws you all hate even outside of the NFA stuff (which sucks). After the Black Panther incident in Cali in the 1960s Reagan was all on board for bring about new gun laws. Which... lead to todays garbage.
And there it is. Zero uncorrupted politicians. Sorry no one got to see the trolls.
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buffalobo
10-24-2013, 21:32
My commentary was directed at this post. I should have quoted it originally.
Why don't you want to give money to the Arabs? Is it because you don't trust them? If you don't trust them, then how do you trust the former president of Iran saying that Reagan did commit treason? (Paradox)
nynco, I don't care if any president is a nice guy, I care that he execute the duties of the office with the constitution as his vision. All the presidents mentioned in this thread failed miserably in that execution, IMO.
SSDG... I wish we could elect a leader like Eisenhower. He was a good man and a good leader and did good things that did long term benefits to this nation. Bring back Eisenhower conservatism and I am proud to vote GOP. I think it is dangerous how the right wing has been making a saint of of Reagan. The guy was a traitor or at the bare min the head of a political organization full of traitors that put the interests of their party politics over the nation by helping our enemies. Now... the Machiavellian side of me would not care so much if this had been done AFTER he was elected. But to do this to rig elections to me is an affront to the whole nation because it is lying to us and harming our electoral process. Then to top it all off the economic reforms he left us put us on the path to total destruction. Our modern deficit insanity started with Reagan.
Please conservatives... reform your party and bring back people in the mold of Eisenhower. Not like the lunatics that run it today.
My commentary was directed at this post. I should have quoted it originally.
nynco, I don't care if any president is a nice guy, I care that he execute the duties of the office with the constitution as his vision. All the presidents mentioned in this thread failed miserably in that execution, IMO.
You're right.... I just stated it as a relative position to my opinion of Reagan. I tend to see many things in shades of gray.
Anyone read All The King's Men by Robert Penn Warren?
I'm not suggesting anything, as I have ZERO knowledge of what this thread is about. Just wondering.
The GOP, the Dems and anyone that thinks a man in a suit in DC gives a rats ass about fuck all is either a fool, or a simpleton. Probably the last decent Man to serve as Commander in chief was Jefferson.
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Where are you going with this thread?
I don't believe anything out of most American politician's mouths. Why in the world would I care what some former Iranian president from 30 years ago has to say now? What is his motivation for writing and selling books now? Carter is an after thought. Other than some fringe Democrats, no one pays much attention to what he has to say or what he is doing. Is he on the death pool this year?
The reason we are buying oil from foreign sources is the current administration does not want us to develop domestic sources.
Rather than waste time on some esoteric conspiracy theory about a dead President and what he is alleged to have done 35 years ago, can we focus on the fiasco of the day?
President Obama is a disaster today. The policies of the Democratic Party are a disaster today. I would ask you who you believe would do a better job, but frankly, I just don't care.
Please don't go back to your liberal social forums and use this thread as an example of how you are swaying conservative gun owners to your way of thinking. If this is an example of the type of "evidence" you use to persuade liberals to support the 2nd Amendment, please stop.
Where am I going with this thread. I don't think I have any total destination other than to put the story out there that I think shows the facts of history. I am constantly seeing the lie that Reagan was a saint and I think it harms our nation. I think the more that people know the real truth the better things are and the more likely that we can fix things in the future.
Yes the Dems are a disaster today but the GOP is just as bad if not worse. Its a total cluster F... I have given up defending Dems because I can't. I would be lying to myself if I thought they were the answer. The answer is we live in dire times where both parties are destroying this nation. Its time we all stop with the revisionist history and look at the real problems. Left or Right we can both agree that both parties are not ideal. So how can we change our election system to give the people a better change of having good leaders?
Also this guy from Iran is not selling a book... he has no monetary gain to my knowledge.
ChunkyMonkey
10-24-2013, 21:55
Yeah, I ll go head put NYNCO on the same list as alex jones and few other info wars fans on this forum. Same difference.
Why because I see both sides as bad for this nation? Heck most of you do but your too afraid of a Dem being elected so you cowtow to the GOP garbage. Is that something to be proud of? Is that what veterans fought for, to preserve the two party dicatatorshit? This is why I care its not right and it dishonors those who fought to give us the chance to fix it.
So how can we change our election system to give the people a better change of having good leaders?
Instant run-off voting?
Good thing I took notes on every single thread you've ever posted in.
Either run for office or find the candidates who best represent what you want.
Anyone who believes that any President/Politician is a saint does not understand the definition of the word. Who was the last person on this board that suggested the infallibility of Ronald Regan?
I love the study of history, but this one story does not represent either the truth or actual history. It is one guy, with little or no proven evidence to support his story. This version of the Iranian Hostage Crisis doesn't make it past the sniff test for me.
Is jim off tonight???[Coffee]
Well Irving what is your opinion on it? Because honestly I am open to any other option that is better but have found none. We as a nation will not survive much longer with these two parties. The use the lies of history to preserve their power over us.
ChunkyMonkey
10-24-2013, 22:02
Why because I see both sides as bad for this nation? Heck most of you do but your too afraid of a Dem being elected so you cowtow to the GOP garbage. Is that something to be proud of? Is that what veterans fought for, to preserve the two party dicatatorshit? This is why I care its not right and it dishonors those who fought to give us the chance to fix it.
No, as mentioned by Chuck. You distrust your own leaders (like many of us do), yet you quoted some Iranian has been. Another dude from the same area claims that Holocaust never happened. You might as well believe him too.
I haven't looked into that voting system. I just remember that you mention it at every opportunity.
Either run for office or find the candidates who best represent what you want.
Anyone who believes that any President/Politician is a saint does not understand the definition of the word. Who was the last person on this board that suggested the infallibility of Ronald Regan?
I love the study of history, but this one story does not represent either the truth or actual history. It is one guy, with little or no proven evidence to support his story. This version of the Iranian Hostage Crisis doesn't make it past the sniff test for me.
This is not a new story. This was talked about before from other sources. Now we have a person on the Iranian side corroborating it. The only thing that kept Reagan from being deposed was him pleading the 5th and members of his administration who were going to testify magically died....
No, as mentioned by Chuck. You distrust your own leaders (like many of us do), yet you quoted some Iranian has been. Another dude from the same area claims that Holocaust never happened. You might as well believe him too.
Chunky we have fools in America that claim the Holocaust never happened does that make all of America suspect including you?
Well today Regan can't be deposed. He is dead.
Focusing on dead presidents has a much different meaning that what you are doing.
Rather than trying to rehash some 35 year old non-issue, I prefer to deal with today.
Be safe.
Yes he is dead but his spirit lives on. The last presidential elections everyone on the GOP were tripping over themselves to invoke the dead ghost of Reagan at every chance they could. So his history still does matter today.
ChunkyMonkey
10-24-2013, 22:12
Chunky we have fools in America that claim the Holocaust never happened does that make all of America suspect including you?
Fool, the head of State represents the majority opinion if not the official position of that State. Now you are comparing that with individual opinion? Genius
ChunkyMonkey
10-24-2013, 22:14
Yes he is dead but his spirit lives on. The last presidential elections everyone on the GOP were tripping over themselves to invoke the dead ghost of Reagan at every chance they could. So his history still does matter today.
So come out and say it.. You want Hillary to be the next president. You keeps claiming you dont like the 2 party systems then keep on posting some tin foil conspiracy against the GOP. Balance it out.. if you want to be that paranoid, why dont you post Clinton's death list. It's as dumb as this thread.
So come out and say it.. You want Hillary to be the next president. You keeps claiming you dont like the 2 party systems then keep on posting some tin foil conspiracy against the GOP. Balance it out.. if you want to be that paranoid, why dont you post Clinton's death list. It's as dumb as this thread.
I hate all the CLINTOONS... I don't want Hillary up there one bit. I hated Clinton for pushing NAFTA and for going along with Telcom 96 act that destroyed our media even more. I hope the dems choose someone like Elizabeth Warren because at least she will stand up to the criminal bankers and perhaps might be the catalyst for ending the FED. On the GOP side I want someone like an Eisenhower conservative or perhaps someone along the lines of Ron Paul. I don't agree with either 100% but its better than the crap we have now or get to chose from last time.
As to the Holocaust thing... that was NOT this president. This guy was in power over 30 years BEFORE the current idiot denied the Holocaust.
Great-Kazoo
10-24-2013, 22:20
Neither do I. I don't like Obama, W, Clintoon, HW or Reagan. Last president that was worth a crap was Carter for his compassion... NOT his leadership abilities (Horrible president and idiot that way). If conservatism was a reflection of who Eisenhower was, I would be proud to vote GOP.
The only compassion carter had was to his ideology.
Yeah the oil embargo was a bad thing. Had we kept up with Carters reforms for solar and many other things, we would not be giving so much money to the Arab bastards now.
Had we kept up with carters reforms we would have had 30% interest rate. The oil embargo was a joke that put a crimp in US drivers wallets and gas tanks. It succeeded in doing what? Certainly not the release of the Embassy hostages.
He was the former leader who was tossed out by the enemies of America. Not all Iranians are bad. We already do know that people in Reagans administration did sell arms to the Iranians. That is a historical fact that came out in the hear, closer ties to western powers / the USA. ings. The only thing that saved Reagans ass was he pleaded the 5th by stating he could not remember. So yeah, I believe a guy who just corroborated and gave more detail to the holes in the story that our investigation could not get into because of national secrecy and obstruction.
No The Shah was the Former leader who fled the country. Numerous reasons contributed to his departure. Let me think. Oh yeah. He was in favor of loosening restrictions against women. Something the hardliners were against. Same for his support of Israel
This hack you're talking about was the one who facilitated the transition from a pro western leader, to a very anti-one, allowing Khomeini back from france.
SSDG... I wish we could elect a leader like Eisenhower. He was a good man and a good leader and did good things that did long term benefits to this nation. Bring back Eisenhower conservatism and I am proud to vote GOP. I think it is dangerous how the right wing has been making a saint of of Reagan. The guy was a traitor or at the bare min the head of a political organization full of traitors that put the interests of their party politics over the nation by helping our enemies. Now... the Machiavellian side of me would not care so much if this had been done AFTER he was elected. But to do this to rig elections to me is an affront to the whole nation because it is lying to us and harming our electoral process. Then to top it all off the economic reforms he left us put us on the path to total destruction. Our modern deficit insanity started with Reagan.
Please conservatives... reform your party and bring back people in the mold of Eisenhower. Not like the lunatics that run it today.
Wrong again. Carter was the spineless cunt who allowed Iran / MUSLIMS to keep the US embassy Hostages. His losing to Regan put in motion the release of the Embassy hostages.l Our arming of Iran was in response to the Iraq invasion of iran. Combine that moment in time with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Which put the US, an opponent of Communism, in motion to shore up it's defenses against an ideology , we could not let spread. Islamist / terrorism was but a blip on the radar in 80. .
Lunatics? while i do feel the far religious right needs to take a breath. Your labeling the R's as lunatics is the same shit the D's [OBAMA, REID, PELOSI] AND the fukin media labelled CRUZ AS. Oh wait that tidbit slip through the cracks of your call for compassion.
The R's well a few of them asked for a 1 year delay of ACA. NO WAY WE'RE NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORIST, EXTREMIST. HOLDING A GUN TO OUR HEAD.
That's your side of the aisle, give me a fukin break.
HET NYNCO, NOW THE D'S ARE STARTING TO SAY WE NEED MORE TIME BEFORE ACA STARTS. OOPS CRUZ WAS RIGHT ON THE MONEY.
Jim you are not understanding what this guy just said... what kept the hostages in bondage for 444 days was REAGAN. Reagans team bribed the Iranians to HOLD the hostages till AFTER the election. They did that with weapons. He bribed our enemies to keep our citizens as hostages in order to steal an election. This guy just corroborated that from the inside of the Iranian gov at the time.
I also don't like the ACA... its nothing more than Romney care. It makes the situation worse because it empowers the cartel bankers/insurance providers.
XC700116
10-24-2013, 22:25
And once again we see that people will do anything to preserve their idolic leaders of the past. We know for a fact that Reagan did sell arms and Merl just admitted that. We have an Iranian corroborating the details and still still.... people refuse to believe it. The hostages were release when? What day? You guys scream that you can't trust gov... except when it is your guy.
There's Thousands of Iranians that say the holocaust didn't happen too, but it doesn't make it so. [facepalm]
And yes the current GOP tactic of trying to default on our debt as a bargaining chip is the most dangerous thing this nation is facing now. If we do that it will do more damage than any terrorist could ever hope to do. It is DANGEROUS and could lead to the end of America. All for party politics.
streetglideok
10-24-2013, 22:27
Nynco is the sum of what liberalism is. He honestly believes absolutely anything that shames conservatism, and promotes socialism/communism. If FDR had been a republican, nynco would be spewing about how the New Deal was so bad, and how he promoted concentration camps and such. Instead, he believes that Iranians who have been lying about their nuclear program for years are telling the truth with baseless information that Reagan committed treason. He also ignores more solid proof about the true nature of the Kenyan in the whitehouse. To be a liberal, you blatantly ignore facts, and make decisions on pure emotion. It is very much like the jedi vs the sith. It frankly disgusts me that someone like him who probably has little history in this country is trying to turn our nation into another socialist stink hole. It would make the 5 or 6 generations of my family born here sick in their graves. Instead of trying to destroy our country, do what others do, emigrate to some other country and live in their stench. Let us rot in our own.
There's Thousands of Iranians that say the holocaust didn't happen too, but it doesn't make it so. [facepalm]
there are 1000s in the US too... what is your point. DID THIS GUY EVER SAY THAT?
Nynco is the sum of what liberalism is. He honestly believes absolutely anything that shames conservatism, and promotes socialism/communism. If FDR had been a republican, nynco would be spewing about how the New Deal was so bad, and how he promoted concentration camps and such. Instead, he believes that Iranians who have been lying about their nuclear program for years are telling the truth with baseless information that Reagan committed treason. He also ignores more solid proof about the true nature of the Kenyan in the whitehouse. To be a liberal, you blatantly ignore facts, and make decisions on pure emotion. It is very much like the jedi vs the sith. It frankly disgusts me that someone like him who probably has little history in this country is trying to turn our nation into another socialist stink hole. It would make the 5 or 6 generations of my family born here sick in their graves. Instead of trying to destroy our country, do what others do, emigrate to some other country and live in their stench. Let us rot in our own.
Are you reading anything I am writing. I am praising Eisenhower.... Heck I thing T Roosvelt was a great president.
ChunkyMonkey
10-24-2013, 22:29
I hate all the CLINTOONS... I don't want Hillary up there one bit. I hated Clinton for pushing NAFTA and for going along with Telcom 96 act that destroyed our media even more. I hope the dems choose someone like Elizabeth Warren because at least she will stand up to the criminal bankers and perhaps might be the catalyst for ending the FED. On the GOP side I want someone like an Eisenhower conservative or perhaps someone along the lines of Ron Paul. I don't agree with either 100% but its better than the crap we have now or get to chose from last time.
As to the Holocaust thing... that was NOT this president. This guy was in power over 30 years BEFORE the current idiot denied the Holocaust.
Like I said, some other president from that country. I am afraid I dont have the energy to argue with a troll so I might as well feed you. Here are some of the tin foil stories that you haven't posted.
1. Baghdad Bob "We have them surrounded in their tanks" when asked if he knows the Americans have reached the airport.
2. The Nazi claimed that a bunch of wehrmacht officers were on Titanic and begged the captain to slow down to avoid a catastrophic.
3. Global Warming is manmade!
and best of all....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uenoUUi04N8
And yes the current GOP tactic of trying to default on our debt as a bargaining chip is the most dangerous thing this nation is facing now. If we do that it will do more damage than any terrorist could ever hope to do. It is DANGEROUS and could lead to the end of America. All for party politics.
This statement is just full of ignorance. I'm out.
Great-Kazoo
10-24-2013, 22:31
Jim you are not understanding what this guy just said... what kept the hostages in bondage for 444 days was REAGAN. Reagans team bribed the Iranians to HOLD the hostages till AFTER the election. They did that with weapons. He bribed our enemies to keep our citizens as hostages in order to steal an election. This guy just corroborated that from the inside of the Iranian gov at the time.
So let me understand. You're saying {based on some islamist} that regan bribed Ayatollah Khomeini PRIOR to his return from exile and the student union not to free the hostages until he was put in the white house. 4 years before he ran for office.[facepalm]
You need to get real, real fast, real soon. I watched the whole thing from The shah leaving town , the STUDENT UNION storming the embassy, Oil embargo, loss of .mil lives with a botched mission. FAILURE AFTER FAILURE OF CARTER AND HIS ADMINISTRATION.
The same shit is happening right now by another compassionate community organizer. He supported Mursi / Brotherhood in egypt, DENIES islam is a religion of hate. DENISE any relation to jerimah wright, bill ayers REFUSED TO consider anything the R's suggested because of his Hubris, Arrogance and failure to admit he's a failure.
YOU VOTED FOR O, YOU VOTED D, YOU AND 50% OF THIS FREE SHIT COUNTRY put us where we are today. HAD this been 6 yrs ago O and the D's would be Blaming BUSH. IT'S BUSH'S FAULT[panic]
NOW IT'S NOBODYS FAULT. MAN UP. Your Elected leader cannot admit he fucked up. Why because he's never wrong, has no clue, and about to get us in deeper shit in the middle east.
NOW address each talking point, i rebutted your talking points with.
Jim your side offered up a leader that sucked even more than Obama..... WOW
Jim your side offered up a leader that sucked even more than Obama..... WOW
LOL!!
Now that's the art of liberal debating!!
I know you are but what am I ??
[ROFL2]
You need to get real, real fast, real soon. I watched the whole thing from The shah leaving town , the STUDENT UNION storming the embassy, Oil embargo, loss of .mil lives with a botched mission. FAILURE AFTER FAILURE OF CARTER AND HIS ADMINISTRATION.
The same shit is happenign right now by another compassionate community organizer. He supported Mursi / Brotherhood in egypt, DENISE islam is a religion of hate. DENISE any relation to jerimah wright, bill ayers REFUSED TO consider anything the R's suggested because of his Hubris, Arrogance and failure to admit he's a failure. And still no matter how bad Obama is... the GOP put up someone worse. As to Carter the point of this article is Carter could never get the hostages released because REAGAN was bribing the Iranians to keep them. What is Carter supposed to do in that situation?
YOU VOTED FOR O, YOU VOTED D, YOU AND 50% OF THIS FREE SHIT COUNTRY put us where we are today. HAD this been 6 yrs ago O and th eD's would be Blaming BUSH. IT'S BUSH'S FAULT[panic]
NOW IT'S NOBODYS FAULT. MAN UP. Your Elected leader cannot admit he fucked up. Why because he's never wrong, has no clue, and about to get us in deeper shit in the middle east.
NOW address each talking point, i rebutted your talking points with.
I stand by my point... the GOP is could not even put anyone up for election that could get elected. That is the root problem. In our two party system we are fucked either way.
LOL!!
Now that's the art of liberal debating!!
I know you are but what am I ??
[ROFL2]
Sadly in our "Free Nation" cluster F of a system we are locked into a two party death march.
Great-Kazoo
10-24-2013, 22:39
Jim your side offered up a leader that sucked even more than Obama..... WOW
i know you are, but what am i??
dumb idiot rebut my post. You will not , you cannot, you'll just throw out tidbits of bullshit to hear yourself type.
ADIOS, FAREWELL, FINI,
Great-Kazoo
10-24-2013, 22:41
LOL!!
Now that's the art of liberal debating!!
I know you are but what am I ??
[ROFL2]
DAMN Z you posted while i was typing.
CAN NOT
CAN TOO
PLEASE GOP give me a leader worth voting FOR... not someone that people use to vote against a Dem... PLEASE
Our modern deficit insanity started with Reagan.
Wow. The "Reagan Deficit". The left is still running with that insanity?
All bills for raising revenue originate in the House of Representatives. Reagan pushed to reduced taxes, as JFK had done previously, because taxes are a disincentive to economic growth. There was a large Democrat majority in the House under Reagan. More money came in to the government with the tax reductions, and the Congress spent that and more.
The current Democrat President has had more deficit spending than all of the Presidents up through George W. Bush...but it's Reagan's fault. Sure. It's pretty disgusting that you pull that as an excuse while the guy that you voted to put in the Whitehouse is selling out this country's future.
Conservatism is a set of values, not a political party. There used to be a place in the Democrat party for conservatives. Conservatives have no responsibility to reform whatever a political party interested in obtaining as much political power as possible is doing.
Your claims that you want to vote Republican or desire to bring the left to embracing the 2nd Amendment ring hollow here.
stoner01
10-24-2013, 22:47
I stand by my point... the GOP is could not even put anyone up for election that could get elected. That is the root problem. In our two party system we are fucked either way.
The President of these United States shouldn't be the most likeable guy. It should be the one who steers this country to a more prosperous future and who lives by the US constitution. The root problem is that people vote for the most retarded reasons.
ChunkyMonkey
10-24-2013, 22:49
PLEASE GOP give me a leader worth voting FOR... not someone that people use to vote against a Dem... PLEASE
Your perfect GOP candidate would be OBAMA. Label it all you want.. you are a libtard.
OtterbatHellcat
10-24-2013, 22:49
I looked around for an "off" switch in here a while back...didn't see one.
Great-Kazoo
10-24-2013, 22:52
The President of these United States shouldn't be the most likeable guy. It should be the one who steers this country to a more prosperous future and who lives by the US constitution. The root problem is that people vote for the most retarded reasons.
That person should also have the balls or ovaries to say Fuck You. Not bow down, or appease islamist, while saying returning veterans are potential domestic terrorist
Your perfect GOP candidate would be OBAMA. Label it all you want.. you are a libtard.
I would have voted Ron Paul over Obama... that is my point
stoner01
10-24-2013, 22:56
That person should also have the balls or ovaries to say Fuck You. Not bow down, or appease islamist, while saying returning veterans are potential domestic terrorist
I wasnt a huge fan of Romney either, but the dude showed some balls at the Denver debate. I think that was when I decided I liked him.
stoner01
10-24-2013, 22:56
I would have voted Ron Paul over Obama... that is my point
Oh god, a Paulbot.
The President of these United States shouldn't be the most likeable guy. It should be the one who steers this country to a more prosperous future and who lives by the US constitution. The root problem is that people vote for the most retarded reasons.
And that is the whole point of this thread... Reagans administration did not live by the constitution
stoner01
10-24-2013, 22:58
And that is the whole point of this thread... Reagans administration did not live by the constitution
No admin has since probably Coolidge. But Ill be damned if Reagan didnt do a tenfold better job than the current group in washington.
No admin has since probably Coolidge. But Ill be damned if Reagan didnt do a tenfold better job than the current group in washington.
I don't know about Coolidge (what did Eisenhower do that was wrong?) but in some respects I agree with you on the current situation.
Geez, nynco. Why don't you start a thread that says John Wayne was a closet homosexual. That should make you some friends.
[Coffee]
Might as well. He's using the communal watering hole as a urinal.
John Wayne... I have no clue about the guy at all. I treat him like most hollywood people or sports stars.... irrelevant.
Great-Kazoo
10-24-2013, 23:21
John Wayne... I have no clue about the guy at all. I treat him like most hollywood people or sports stars.... irrelevant.
OK now i'm reporting this thread The DUKE Have you no shame.
1979 The Shootist
1975 Rooster Cogburn
1975 Brannigan
1974 McQ
1973 Cahill U.S. Marshal
1973 The Train Robbers
1972 The Cowboys
1971 Big Jake
1970 Rio Lobo
1970 Chisum
1969 The Undefeated
1969 True Grit
1968 Hellfighters
1968 The Green Berets
1967 The War Wagon
1966 El Dorado
1966 Cast a Giant Shadow
1965 The Sons of Katie Elder
1965 In Harm's Way
1965 The Greatest Story Ever Told
1964 Circus World
1963 McLintock!
1963 Donovan's Reef
1962 How the West Was Won
1962 Alcoa Premiere (TV series)
– Flashing Spikes (1962) … Sergeant-Umpire in Korea (as Marion Morrison)
1962 The Longest Day
1962 Hatari!
1962 The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
1961 The Comancheros
1960 Wagon Train (TV series)
The Colter Craven Story (1960) … Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman (as Michael Morris)
1960 North to Alaska
1960 The Alamo
1959 The Horse Soldiers
1959 Rio Bravo
to list a few. Yet he only received an Oscar for 1 movie.
stoner01
10-24-2013, 23:23
John Wayne... I have no clue about the guy at all. I treat him like most hollywood people or sports stars.... irrelevant.
Just go away now....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uenoUUi04N8
"the cold, the lonely, and the homosexual"...."drinking coffee made of snow.....yummy".
Ha ha ha.... I love you guys. [Beer]
Great-Kazoo
10-24-2013, 23:28
Just go away now....
Don't hemorrhage, this >< close to American soil. Wait a few days then beat him to a pulp.
Honestly, I don't care about Hollywood stars, gossip or actors at all. I don't even know many of their names... including the ones I would bang. Same with sports stars. To me politics is more important and a better way to spend my time. At least its something that could matter.
ChunkyMonkey
10-24-2013, 23:32
"the cold, the lonely, and the homosexual"...."drinking coffee made of snow.....yummy".
Did you catch the republican candidate? It's a perfect Nynco's next thread. 2:25
stoner01
10-24-2013, 23:36
Don't hemorrhage, this >< close to American soil. Wait a few days then beat him to a pulp.
Anyone who doesnt know The Duke IS A F*CKING COMMUNIST!
Ok I feel better now.
GilpinGuy
10-24-2013, 23:49
Man, 12 pages in less than 6 hours. You guys give this fool too much attention.
stoner01
10-24-2013, 23:49
Man, 12 pages in less than 6 hours. You guys give this fool too much attention.
Im in Iraq, what the hell else am I supposed to do?
GilpinGuy
10-25-2013, 00:02
Im in Iraq, what the hell else am I supposed to do?
[ROFL1] You get a pass.
Anyone who doesnt know The Duke IS A F*CKING COMMUNIST!
Ok I feel better now.
I know who he is I just don't care about hollywood other than for a distraction.
stoner01
10-25-2013, 00:05
[ROFL1] You get a pass.
*Like
Man, 12 pages in less than 6 hours. You guys give this fool too much attention.
Just trying to help you... there is a setting somewhere in your profile that will let you reset the number of replies to make longer threads easier. My settings show this as 4 pages. If you need help let me know by PM and I can talk you through it.
Neither do I. I don't like Obama, W, Clintoon, HW or Reagan. Last president that was worth a crap was Carter for his compassion... NOT his leadership abilities (Horrible president and idiot that way). If conservatism was a reflection of who Eisenhower was, I would be proud to vote GOP.
Lets just get this strait, Carter was a good ex president and that is about it. With that said do not call him the last that was worth a crap because he was not what so ever. Reagan before his presidency was unbelievably passionate about what America should be , and what i believe it should be, but went awry along the way. If he did not screw the mental health system i doubt we would be where we are at today, and for what? A fricken movie that did not show the truth. That is just one example. I am almost inclined to say Theodore Roosevelt was the last president to be worth a dam but he also set us on our current path.
spqrzilla
10-25-2013, 05:39
nynco, you really do astonish me with the absolute horse manure you believe.
You ain't right upstairs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uenoUUi04N8
see if we had let the British win we wouldn't have to have coffee made of snow ....it would be tea
Geez, nynco. Why don't you start a thread that says John Wayne was a closet homosexual. That should make you some friends.
[Coffee][ROFL2]
John Wayne... I have no clue about the guy at all. I treat him like most hollywood people or sports stars.... irrelevant.what planet are you from [facepalm]
anaphylaxis
10-25-2013, 07:57
John Wayne... I have no clue about the guy at all. I treat him like most hollywood people or sports stars.... irrelevant.
...pilgrim you caused a lot of trouble this morning...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3343LUHNb4
Bailey Guns
10-25-2013, 07:59
Just trying to help you... there is a setting somewhere in your profile that will let you reset the number of replies to make longer threads easier. My settings show this as 4 pages. If you need help let me know by PM and I can talk you through it.
Don't do it. It's a ruse to get you signed up for O'care.
I would have voted Ron Paul over Obama... that is my point
BUT YOU STILL VOTED OBAMA...that is my point.
Why do men of normally sound mind get sucked into this kind of crap?
Did you catch the republican candidate? It's a perfect Nynco's next thread. 2:25
Thanks for that vid CM. That was frickin' hee-larious. Hot cup of snow... And why are there no birds in the snow-covered trees...in February?
Geez, nynco. Why don't you start a thread that says John Wayne was a closet homosexual. That should make you some friends.
[Coffee]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-uv_WGEHr4I
(From 'Repo Man' in case you wondered)
osok-308
10-25-2013, 08:30
My commentary was directed at this post. I should have quoted it originally.
Yeah, I made that mistake he made the comment about arabs and I made the jump calling them arabs. If anyone is upset by that I apologize.
Zundfolge
10-25-2013, 08:37
Not 72 hours after I remove this schmuck from my ignore list thinking maybe I'd been too hasty in putting him there in the first place and then I come here and see this.
Sheesh ... nothing but a troll. Oh well, back on the list you go.
Guys, don't get sucked into this nonsense ... don't feed the troll.
While I probably disagree with nearly 100% of what nynco posts, I've got the give the guy credit for having the balls to express his opinion here.
[Awesom]
Great-Kazoo
10-25-2013, 08:52
Why do men of normally sound mind get sucked into this kind of crap?
Ask poster # 132
Halloween at Nynco's
http://catholicglasses.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/20111031-233409.jpg?w=714
osok-308
10-25-2013, 09:43
https://www.ar-15.co/images/tf_ideal/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by nyncohttps://www.ar-15.co/images/tf_ideal/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.ar-15.co/showthread.php?p=1381885#post1381885)Jim you are not understanding what this guy just said... what kept the hostages in bondage for 444 days was REAGAN. Reagans team bribed the Iranians to HOLD the hostages till AFTER the election. They did that with weapons. He bribed our enemies to keep our citizens as hostages in order to steal an election. This guy just corroborated that from the inside of the Iranian gov at the time.
So let me understand. You're saying {based on some islamist} that regan bribed Ayatollah Khomeini PRIOR to his return from exile and the student union not to free the hostages until he was put in the white house. 4 years before he ran for office.[facepalm]
You need to get real, real fast, real soon. I watched the whole thing from The shah leaving town , the STUDENT UNION storming the embassy, Oil embargo, loss of .mil lives with a botched mission. FAILURE AFTER FAILURE OF CARTER AND HIS ADMINISTRATION.
The same shit is happening right now by another compassionate community organizer. He supported Mursi / Brotherhood in egypt, DENISE islam is a religion of hate. DENISE any relation to jerimah wright, bill ayers REFUSED TO consider anything the R's suggested because of his Hubris, Arrogance and failure to admit he's a failure.
YOU VOTED FOR O, YOU VOTED D, YOU AND 50% OF THIS FREE SHIT COUNTRY put us where we are today. HAD this been 6 yrs ago O and the D's would be Blaming BUSH. IT'S BUSH'S FAULT[panic]
NOW IT'S NOBODYS FAULT. MAN UP. Your Elected leader cannot admit he fucked up. Why because he's never wrong, has no clue, and about to get us in deeper shit in the middle east.
NOW address each talking point, i rebutted your talking points with.
YES! That is what I'm talking about. Well said.
NYNCO: Anyone who votes for Obama is in no position to complain about how we are not free. Because they voted for a man who, time and time again, opposes individual freedom and the ideals that this country was founded upon. Let me elaborate:
1. Obama has routinely voted FOR gun control of all kinds (opposing our second amendment rights)
2. In his inauguration ridicules people clinging to their religion and guns (opposite our first and second amendment rights)
3. Regardless of stance on this. HE CAME OUT AND POLARIZED THE ZIMMERMAN TRIAL. This trial didn't fully have national media attention until obama made his "If i had a son he'd look like trayvvon" comment. He along with many others wanted to take away his sixth amendment right to a fair and speedy trial.
4. Supporting a health care reform bill that forces individuals to purchase ANYTHING with the threat of fines if you choose to not participate. This is also a bill that will drive company's out of business because they do not believe in certain aspects of it
5. Further raising our debt ceiling after claiming in 2006 that it was a sign of poor leadership.
If any of these things had occurred under ANY other president, everyone would be calling for impeachment, however if you speak out against this one, it makes you a racist? I've never seen America as divided as it is today. Say what you want about Reagan, but he won by a landslide. People of ALL parties got behind this man. Maybe you should think of what a mistake it was to vote for the man that is currently F**KING us instead of focusing on a man who's policies aren't what caused the situation we are in at the moment.
Ask poster # 132
I might discuss reasonable topics with you, however, I did not discuss, nor would I, the OP. :)
Lets just get this strait, Carter was a good ex president and that is about it. With that said do not call him the last that was worth a crap because he was not what so ever. Reagan before his presidency was unbelievably passionate about what America should be , and what i believe it should be, but went awry along the way. If he did not screw the mental health system i doubt we would be where we are at today, and for what? A fricken movie that did not show the truth. That is just one example. I am almost inclined to say Theodore Roosevelt was the last president to be worth a dam but he also set us on our current path.
You are right. T Roosevelt was a great president. I used Carter on a sliding scale because all the presidents for the last 40 years have really sucked. ALL of them. Carter was a disaster but at least his team did not commit treason to steal an election.
losttrail
10-25-2013, 11:54
Many people who are younger than I don't understand or remember the Iran Contra scandal from the 1980s. Well short of it. Reagan or his team committed treason by bribing the Iranians to hold the US hostages using a weapons deals. Reagan did this in order to make Carter look bad. Basically using US lives and working against our nation aiding our enemies in order to get himself elected.... Well the former president of Iran just admitted that is what happened. He admitted that Reagan bribed Khomeini the Shah of Iran to hold the hostages. It was the thing that got Reagan elected... an act of treason. Why did this all happen, because the Iranians had tons of US equipment that they had no spare parts to (jet fighters and other weapons systems) Reagan promised them those military weapons parts and asked they hold the hostages till after he was elected.
I know many of you here will not like this news. But I thought you might want to read it. I personally hope for the day that a person like Eisenhower can run for president again. I honestly do hope the conservative movement can get rid of the cancer and bring back honorable people I would be proud to vote for. But getting things like that to happen will only happen when people are able to learn from historical mistakes. You want to read something else interesting that will never got proper news coverage.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Global-Viewpoint/2013/0305/Argo-helps-Iran-s-dictatorship-harms-democracy
Wow, I guess since the former Iranian president said it, it is true.
So there must be unicorns or 'four-legged beasts with a dragon's head' since the North Korean media reported so.
Next thing you know, everything Obama says will be true.
losttrail
10-25-2013, 11:56
You are right. T Roosevelt was a great president. I used Carter on a sliding scale because all the presidents for the last 40 years have really sucked. ALL of them. Carter was a disaster but at least his team did not commit treason to steal an election.
T. Roosevelt was a 'progressive' along the lines of Woodrow Wilson. I suppose Woodrow Wilson and FDR were great POTUS' also?
BushMasterBoy
10-25-2013, 13:09
Prime rate under Carter administration... http://www.fedprimerate.com/prime-rate-chart.htm
You do realize that many of the founding fathers were progressives in action too right? You do realize that until Lincoln that corporations had NO RIGHTS... none. I would love to go back to the system the founding fathers put in place in regards to corporate power and charter. Did you ever notice that there are NO CORPORATIONS in existence today that can trace direct roots to any that exist prior to the 1850s. Why? Because the founding fathers made it so they had no power to exist past the life of the original charter persona that created it. No corporation could own another corporation. Corporations were routinely given the death sentence of by being dissolved for acting counter to the public good. The Boston Tea Party itself was not a fight against taxes, it was a fight against taxcuts that favored the mega Wallmart of the era - the British East Indy Trading Company. Those unfair taxbreaks were putting mom and pop businesses out business.... just like today. Sadly most people don't know the real history but only the stuff that power wants you to believe happened. Orwell was right.
Prime rate under Carter administration... http://www.fedprimerate.com/prime-rate-chart.htm
The FED is unconstitutional and should be abolished. It is a cabal of bankers that use that rate to destroy the people we elect when they don't do as they say. The founding fathers would be disgusted by its existence.
[ROFL1]
Stop
[ROFL1]
Please
[ROFL1]
Can't
[ROFL1]
Breathe
[ROFL1]
There is only ONE book in existence written by anyone who was AT the Boston Tea Party about the Boston Tea Party. That is what he wrote. Read and learn.
http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2009/04/real-boston-tea-party-was-against-wal-mart-1770s
https://archive.org/details/retrospectofbos00hawk
BushMasterBoy
10-25-2013, 13:49
So nynco is saying that the Federal Reserve is the fourth branch of government? The Federal Reserve Act is unconstitutional why?
Not 72 hours after I remove this schmuck from my ignore list thinking maybe I'd been too hasty in putting him there in the first place and then I come here and see this.
Sheesh ... nothing but a troll. Oh well, back on the list you go.
Guys, don't get sucked into this nonsense ... don't feed the troll.
DONE
First and only entry on my list
So nynco is saying that the Federal Reserve is the fourth branch of government? The Federal Reserve Act is unconstitutional why?
Read the Constitution it saws the duty of the gov is to coin money. At the time of the founding of the nation all money was coin. Meaning the framers wrote that passage to mean the gov is to print all money. The reason that the FED does not coin money and instead prints money is in order to not be blatant about how it is unconstitutionally printing money. You all wonder why we have a deficit? Its because the privately owned FED wants us to. It benefits them.
DONE
First and only entry on my list
I actually thought of you as someone who used rational thinking. Seems when someone presents you with facts to back up and apposing view point you can't handle it. Shame...
losttrail
10-25-2013, 15:59
Carter was a horrible POTUS. Great humanitarian and love what he did/does with Habitat for Humanity. Have even worked on a few HfH homes myself. But he was a horrid POTUS.
I will agree with nynco (dang that hurts to say) in regards to the Federal Reserve being an abomination that we should NOT have.
Other than that issue, bat-shit-crazy comes to mind.
I don't expect us all to 100% agree on things. But I learn a lot from you guys and I think that if you open up your mind you can learn from the other side too. Many of the problems we face are from lack of communication or an unwillingness to even communicate.
BushMasterBoy
10-25-2013, 16:19
"No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility."
I never get anything from the .gov in silver or gold...but I think Sir BushMasterBoy sound cool!
Aloha_Shooter
10-25-2013, 17:07
I would be willing to learn if you actually posted some facts instead of absolute felgercarb. The Boston Tea Party was about taxes being imposed without any chance for the (then) English public located on the American continent to have a say in them. The taxes by the way were being imposed to pay for things the Crown arbitrarily decided on (sort of like Obamacare and TARP today) -- NOT (as you contend) to support the British East India Trading Company. The East India Trading Company was caught in the middle as one attempt to extract taxes from the Americans had failed and the Crown decided to try again by taxing tea instead.
I usually recommend these to kids in elementary school instead of adults but it appears they might help you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-9pDZMRCpQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZMmPWTwTHc
I just posted an article that is about a BOOK, the ONLY BOOK IN EXISTENCE written by a person who was AT THE BOSTON TEA PARTY and it says what you understand is not true. Then you tell me I posted no proof? What more proof is there than the writings of a guy who was there and took part?
Heres the links again.
http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/200...wal-mart-1770s (http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2009/04/real-boston-tea-party-was-against-wal-mart-1770s)
https://archive.org/details/retrospectofbos00hawk
I will agree with nynco (dang that hurts to say) in regards to the Federal Reserve being an abomination that we should NOT have.
+1 on that. The Federal Reserve is a fraud.
Great-Kazoo
10-25-2013, 17:24
I actually thought of you as someone who used rational thinking. Seems when someone presents you with facts to back up and apposing view point you can't handle it. Shame...
Says the OP, who has yet to address any of my talking points, except for cherry picking here and there.
Aloha_Shooter
10-25-2013, 17:35
I just posted an article that is about a BOOK, the ONLY BOOK IN EXISTENCE written by a person who was AT THE BOSTON TEA PARTY and it says what you understand is not true. Then you tell me I posted no proof? What more proof is there than the writings of a guy who was there and took part?
Heres the links again.
http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/200...wal-mart-1770s (http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2009/04/real-boston-tea-party-was-against-wal-mart-1770s)
https://archive.org/details/retrospectofbos00hawk
nynco, reread page 8 which talks about taxation without representation and the fact the tea consignment was a vehicle for said tacation. Honestly, you sometimes have good sources but need to exercise some reading comprehension instead of just repeating the distortions promulgated by Van Jones and Bill Ayres and their ilk. This stuff actually used to be taught accurately until the NEA and socialists took over the education sydtem.
So let me understand. You're saying {based on some islamist} that regan bribed Ayatollah Khomeini PRIOR to his return from exile and the student union not to free the hostages until he was put in the white house. 4 years before he ran for office.[facepalm]
You need to get real, real fast, real soon. I watched the whole thing from The shah leaving town , the STUDENT UNION storming the embassy, Oil embargo, loss of .mil lives with a botched mission. FAILURE AFTER FAILURE OF CARTER AND HIS ADMINISTRATION.
The same shit is happening right now by another compassionate community organizer. He supported Mursi / Brotherhood in egypt, DENIES islam is a religion of hate. DENISE any relation to jerimah wright, bill ayers REFUSED TO consider anything the R's suggested because of his Hubris, Arrogance and failure to admit he's a failure.
YOU VOTED FOR O, YOU VOTED D, YOU AND 50% OF THIS FREE SHIT COUNTRY put us where we are today. HAD this been 6 yrs ago O and the D's would be Blaming BUSH. IT'S BUSH'S FAULT[panic]
NOW IT'S NOBODYS FAULT. MAN UP. Your Elected leader cannot admit he fucked up. Why because he's never wrong, has no clue, and about to get us in deeper shit in the middle east.
NOW address each talking point, i rebutted your talking points with.
Jim... is this the one you want me to address? Honest question because I know you are attempting to engage in a productive way and I did not mean to ignore you.
The hostages - Fifty-two Americans were held hostage for 444 days (November 4, 1979 to January 20, 1981)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis
Thursday, 1 February 1979, Khomeini returned in triumph to Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khomeini
Those historical dates counter all that you just wrote.
nynco, reread page 8 which talks about taxation without representation and the fact the tea consignment was a vehicle for said tacation. Honestly, you sometimes have good sources but need to exercise some reading comprehension instesd of just repeating the distortions promulgated by Van Jones and Bill Ayres and their ilk. This stuff actually used to be taught accurately until the NEA and socialists took over the education sydtem.
Aloha... what was happening at the time was taxes were being used to manipulate the market. Taxbreaks were given to the kings corporations and the little people had to pay the full tax burden. Just like today with companies like Wallmart and others getting massive taxbreaks while mom and pop business do not. The Boston Tea Party was a protest against the Gov using tax subsidies to distort the market to favor the company the King was a part of.
Aloha_Shooter
10-25-2013, 17:52
Mmmmmmmm no. Quit reading that socialist rewrite and go bsck to primary sources. The biggest issue at the time was paying for the Crown's war against France. It had nothing to do with Walmart or "mom and pop" businesses.
Mmmmmmmm no. Quit reading that socialist rewrite and go bsck to primary sources. The biggest issue at the time was paying for the Crown's war against France. It had nothing to do with Walmart or "mom and pop" businesses.
Aloha, the crown like all business does not like to compete. What better way to raise more money than to drive out the competition?
osok-308
10-25-2013, 18:03
[Bang] This is how I feel any time I read one of nynco's posts now.
Aloha_Shooter
10-25-2013, 18:14
As I said, reread page 8.
Aloha - I am not understanding the page 8 reference. Are you referring to a specific post? If so, which number? Number is on the top left of your post. Your last one was 167. The page 8 part might read different because my settings are different for the amount of posts per page.
OtterbatHellcat
10-25-2013, 18:44
From my point of view, you really should quit doing this, man.
Aloha_Shooter
10-25-2013, 18:57
Page 8 of the book YOU posted, FFS.
Wow... I'm away for a day and a half and you guys let nynco just come in here with this textual diarrhea?
Nynco, dude, where the hell do you get off? Or better yet, in the words of R. Lee Ermy: "What's your major malfunction, numbnuts?" You come on here, making these insane statements about Reagan being a traitor and treasonous- taken from words by a sworn enemy of the US- and then state that CARTER was a better president? THEN you spit this absolute BULLSHIT about Reagan was the worst president in history? I don't mean any disrespect to anyone with developmental disabilities, but are you effing retarded? Did you live under power lines growing up? Better yet, I'll wager a guess that you lived next to a damn power sub station growing up.
I'll address your completely whack-a-doodle claims 1 by 1.
First, Reagan was 1000x the president that Carter could ever dream of being. Fact- Carter was the worst fiscal president until Obama. Fact- Carter had perhaps the absolute weakest foreign policy in the 20th century. Fact- Reagan was the primary reason for the ending of the Iran Hostage Crisis. Fact- You are a tool (threw that in for good measure). Fact- you vote democrat. Fact- voting democrat in the 2010's is nothing short of either ignorance or flat out socialist tendencies. Reagan did not commit treason, nor was he a traitor. Looking back, Reagan was by far one of the best presidents of the last 50 years, of course democrats will refute this because democraps love to place blame on anyone but themselves- they can do no wrong! So how about this, you actually read stuff that isn't posted by the absolute insane or ridiculously stupid, get your facts straight, pull your head out of your 4th point of contact, and come back to us when you don't make us all think you're some drooling buffoon that can't figure out his asshole from a hole in the ground. Cheers!
Reagan tripled our debt and you want to tell me he is better than Carter who was on his way to paying down the Vietnam debt?
I just posted an article that is about a BOOK, the ONLY BOOK IN EXISTENCE written by a person who was AT THE BOSTON TEA PARTY and it says what you understand is not true. Then you tell me I posted no proof? What more proof is there than the writings of a guy who was there and took part?
that book is wrong , im telling you that the tea party had to do with coffee and not getting starbucks .
Reagan tripled our debt and you want to tell me he is better than Carter who was on his way to paying down the Vietnam debt?
False. Again, you're getting "facts" from dolts like Chris Matthews. Reagan pulled us out of the Carter recession.
Page 8 of the book YOU posted, FFS.
I think you are referring to page 7 at the end. Yes Taxation Without Representation was the moto... but the main problem was the colonialists were being taxed without their consent and the Kings corporation was not.
False. Again, you're getting "facts" from dolts like Chris Matthews. Reagan pulled us out of the Carter recession.
Carters recession was partially caused by him paying down the Vietnam debt....
Just wait till we have to pay off all war Debt that the GOP left us from Bush.
You're upset because of what you see as a debt from Reagan. The guy you voted for has generated more debt than all of the presidents before him combined, and you're pissed about Reagan?
Wow. Someone has gone full retard.
<MADDOG>
10-25-2013, 19:26
Eightteen pages (edit), and I'll add this:
A conspiracy theory in and of itself is just that: a theory. It is hard to gather true facts to either prove or disprove. I myself have a hard time believing Mr. Reagan influenced any particular event during the hostage crisis, regardless of some Persian's first hand account or a liberal Alex Jone's diatribe. The logic, let alone the proof, simply isn't there.
While I do not believe Carter was a great, or even good, POTUS by any means; I do suspect economic history dealt him a shit hand of cards. With that being said, he went through two Federal Reserve chairman, the later of which was no other than Paul Volcker. Volcker also served as Fed Chairman under Reagan, and depending on whom you believe, is also credited with bringing inflationary rates under control. We are witnessing the same, but in the opposite spectrum, now. As we all know, the Fed has been holding at 0, and the price for this policy will also be paid for under the tenure of the present, or a future, president. Will we blame Obama when we a paying for $10/gallon for gas? Sure. But I myself will also blame Greenspan and Bernanke...
In regards to the Iranian revolution and the overthrow of the Shah (if my memory serves me correctly), the principle causes were the people's disgust of the corrupt government of a Western instilled government/leader (The Shah). We put him in after WWII as a methodology of guaranteeing another oil supply avenue; and the Iranian nationalists, liberals, and fundamentalists took him out... It started under good precipes, but much like someone has already stated, then it took as turn much like Egypt just did last year (?).
The context of the founding fathers being "progressive" is laughable under the today's political definition.
In regards to the Boston Tea Party; one man's story of the events do not make fact. If that's the case, we should all pick up the Koran and become muslims.
I do believe NYNCO makes a valid argument; Republicans did put up Mitt Romney, much as they did with McCain in 2000. IMO, and at the end of the day; I really do not see a difference. Romney talked a good game at the debates; however his term during governor of Mass was very much like the policies we see now. Dare I mention Mass's gun laws, or "Romneycare"? I also seen an interesting article on the gun control debate (about the time of Sandy Hook) in that regard. Who has more to lose instilling new gun control policies? A 2nd term president who personally has nothing to lose, but knows the effects of the 1994 AWB; or a 1st term president seeking a 2nd term who wishes to appeal to the "masses"? That article brought forth very tangible arguments pointing to the 1st term president. And no, I did not vote for Obama by any means, but I sure as hell held my nose when I filled out that ballot; as I'm sure many of you did.
Lastly, I do enjoy these threads were good debates take place (note word debate). I think most of you, including the Democrat(s) in the room, make valid points on your arguments. Others just come in here to stir up shit and name call....
My $.02.
spqrzilla
10-25-2013, 19:33
Carters recession was partially caused by him paying down the Vietnam debt....
Just wait till we have to pay off all war Debt that the GOP left us from Bush.
nynco, you really are full of absolute crap. The Iraq war cost less than Obama's "stimulus" program and created more jobs. That's the bottom line.
You have got to quit listening to MSNBC (especially since Martin Bashir is an accomplice of the KKK according to Congressman Alan Grayson). They are feeding you utterly false nonsense.
Honestly, I can't find fault in much of anything that Maddog just said. Pretty much spot on. Though I do believe that Reagans team did in fact bribe the Iranians to hold the hostages for electoral gain.
nynco, you really are full of absolute crap. The Iraq war cost less than Obama's "stimulus" program and created more jobs. That's the bottom line.
You have got to quit listening to MSNBC (especially since Martin Bashir is an accomplice of the KKK according to Congressman Alan Grayson). They are feeding you utterly false nonsense.
The Iraq war cost less than Obamas stimulus... WOW... can you link to a fact to show that opinion to be true?
spqrzilla
10-25-2013, 19:38
Honestly, I can't find fault in much of anything that Maddog just said. Pretty much spot on. Though I do believe that Reagans team did in fact bribe the Iranians to hold the hostages for electoral gain.
nynco - that's utter nonsense. First of all, Reagan wasn't that stupid. Secondly, no body allied with Reagan had enough money to bribe the Iranians. And lastly, they did not have to - the election was in the bag.
Really, nynco, if that actually happened, the Iranians could have taken down the Reagan adminstration by simply proving that at any time during 1981 - 1988.
They did not do that. Even though they had every desire to destroy the Reagan administration.
Your f'ing tinfoil hatted nutjob conspiracy just did not happen.
The war with Iraq cost us hundreds of billions. The stimulus has cost us trillions.
spqrzilla
10-25-2013, 19:43
The Iraq war cost less than Obamas stimulus... WOW... can you link to a fact to show that opinion to be true?
The total cost of the Iraq War was less than $800 billion.
Huffington Post says so:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/18/iraq-war-costs_n_2885071.html
So does PBS:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-iraq-war-how-we-spent-800-billion-and-counting/
nynco, you really need to learn that I know what I'm talking about and you don't.
http://i.imgur.com/QuVkc3z.jpg
Did the stimulus cost more than the war in Iraq?http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/aug/25/mark-tapscott/did-stimulus-cost-more-war-iraq/
<MADDOG>
10-25-2013, 19:48
The war with Iraq cost us hundreds of billions. The stimulus has cost us trillions.
I believe you are correct as a factual point. However, add Afghanistan to the equation, and the legacy costs (wounded warriors for example) of both conflicts, it is not correct.
And I also believe the "stimulus" started with the bank bail-outs; under Bush...But that is another discussion.
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".
Honestly, I can't find fault in much of anything that Maddog just said. Pretty much spot on. Though I do believe that Reagans team did in fact bribe the Iranians to hold the hostages for electoral gain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
nynco - that's utter nonsense. First of all, Reagan wasn't that stupid. Secondly, no body allied with Reagan had enough money to bribe the Iranians. And lastly, they did not have to - the election was in the bag.
Really, nynco, if that actually happened, the Iranians could have taken down the Reagan adminstration by simply proving that at any time during 1981 - 1988.
They did not do that. Even though they had every desire to destroy the Reagan administration.
Your f'ing tinfoil hatted nutjob conspiracy just did not happen.
You don't seem to understand what they bribed the Iranians with or what the Iran Contra scandle was about. It is a historical fact that we did sell arms to the Iranians during Reagans years. The negotiations for those deals started with the hostages. It was not money that was used to bribe them it was arms deals to keep the American planes and other items in service that we had previous sold to the Shah.
It is not that far out there. We have historical evidence that Nixon did much the same thing when he blew up the peace talks with Vietnam before his election. There seems to be a pattern here with the Modern GOP leaders of them putting party over country for electoral power.
spqrzilla
10-25-2013, 19:52
Did the stimulus cost more than the war in Iraq?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/aug/25/mark-tapscott/did-stimulus-cost-more-war-iraq/
So the best that that partisan site can do is shade a couple of billion off ? Whoop-de-doo.
The bottom line remains nynco, that your horse manure about how devastating the Iraq War was to the Federal budget is simply false. Remove the Iraq War from the Bush admin budgets and the Federal budgets remain in deficit. Obama has wasted more money by himself than the Iraq War cost.
I believe you are correct as a factual point. However, add Afghanistan to the equation, and the legacy costs (wounded warriors for example) of both conflicts, it is not correct.
And I also believe the "stimulus" started with the bank bail-outs; under Bush...But that is another discussion.
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".
I agree with Maddog... then add to that the fact that not all of the Stimulus was ever used or spent and the true number went down. Plus.... we would not have needed a stimulous had our economy not been destroyed by a bubble created by deregulation of the crooks on Wallstreet.
spqrzilla
10-25-2013, 19:53
You don't seem to understand what they bribed the Iranians with or what the Iran Contra scandle was about. It is a historical fact that we did sell arms to the Iranians during Reagans years. The negotiations for those deals started with the hostages. It was not money that was used to bribe them it was arms deals to keep the American planes and other items in service that we had previous sold to the Shah.
It is not that far out there. We have historical evidence that Nixon did much the same thing when he blew up the peace talks with Vietnam before his election. There seems to be a pattern here with the Modern GOP leaders of them putting party over country for electoral power.
Brazen lies, nynco. You repeat brazen lies. Nixon did not blow up any peace talks. You are nuttier than a squirrel's anus.
spqrzilla
10-25-2013, 19:54
I agree with Maddog... then add to that the fact that not all of the Stimulus was ever used or spent and the true number went down. Plus.... we would not have needed a stimulous had our economy not been destroyed by a bubble created by deregulation of the crooks on Wallstreet.
The bubble was not caused by deregulation - more of your fantasies. The bubble was caused by government intervention in the housing market.
spqrzilla
10-25-2013, 19:54
You just make up the most bizarre nonsense, nynco.
Brazen lies, nynco. You repeat brazen lies. Nixon did not blow up any peace talks. You are nuttier than a squirrel's anus.
You guys are so caught up in our right wing echo chamber that you don't get news outside of what THEY want you to hear or know.
Read away...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21768668
<MADDOG>
10-25-2013, 19:57
The bubble was not caused by deregulation - more of your fantasies. The bubble was caused by government intervention in the housing market.
Spot on: Barney and Freddie!
spqrzilla
10-25-2013, 20:00
You believe the most ridiculous nonsense, nynco.
Its unbelievable that you are here repeating Gary Sick's long debunked nonsense and now nonexistant conspiracy nonsense about Nixon.
The bubble was not caused by deregulation - more of your fantasies. The bubble was caused by government intervention in the housing market.
Bingo. Government pressuring lenders to make loans when the borrowers were not qualified. Then you also have the derivatives market that came out of these bad loans.
Bush's contribution to the stimulus was $168 Billion. A drop in the bucket to where we are now.
The bubble was not caused by deregulation - more of your fantasies. The bubble was caused by government intervention in the housing market.
Let me clue you into what happened. Banks once they were deregulated WANTED to make loans to any fool they could get to sign a dotted line. The gov did not have to force them, in fact the bribed the gov to make it easier for them to sign up chumps. Once the chumps were signed up they repacked those crappy loans they knew were bad and sold them to idiot investors as AAA (Highest rating). They then BET against the toxic investments they just sold using collateralize debt obligations and other schemes. The deregulation gave them cart blanch to defraud. If you want to read a good story on how one hedge fund that was knee deep in this garbage read about Magnatar Capitol http://www.propublica.org/article/all-the-magnetar-trade-how-one-hedge-fund-helped-keep-the-housing-bubble
You believe the most ridiculous nonsense, nynco.
Its unbelievable that you are here repeating Gary Sick's long debunked nonsense and now nonexistant conspiracy nonsense about Nixon.
Are you kidding its LBJ tapes that were released with LBJ conversations with the head of the GOP at the time asking him to talk to Nixon asking him to stop him. What more proof do you need?
spqrzilla
10-25-2013, 20:06
nynco, you keep repeating utter nonsense. You couldn't "clue in" a kindergartener. You invent nonexistent "deregulation" because you have been watching MSNBC.
nynco, you keep repeating utter nonsense. You couldn't "clue in" a kindergartener. You invent nonexistent "deregulation" because you have been watching MSNBC.
Are you willfully ignorant? What do you think happened in 1999 with the end of Glass Steagel?
spqrzilla
10-25-2013, 20:07
nynco, you really are utterly nuts.
You live in a world of a different universe.
You need to quit listening to MSNBC and Democracy Now! - they are loons.
spqrzilla
10-25-2013, 20:07
Glass Steagal had nothing to do with mortgages.
You don't even know what Glass Steagal is, you just repeat that because twits on MSNBC keep saying it.
I just linked to proof and you have offered nothing to rebut those other than personal insults.
Glass Steagal had nothing to do with mortgages.
You don't even know what Glass Steagal is, you just repeat that because twits on MSNBC keep saying it.
Glass Steagal was the deregulation that tore down the wall from regular banking like mortgages and investment banking. Which meant that Wallstreet could package up crappy debt and sell it to investors. So the gold rush to get chumps to sign up was on... They needed bodies in mortgages to sell to idiot investors.
spqrzilla
10-25-2013, 20:11
You did not link to "proof". You linked to looney conspiracy nuts. You toss around words you don't even understand like "Glass Steagal" - which had nothing to do with mortgages. You invent "deregulation" when in reality the mortgage market was heavily regulated. It was just regulated into a bubble.
And you call people who actually understand what is going on - "ignorant" and then whine about name calling because you can't take what you try to dish out.
Like every single loon watching Democracy Now! nonsense.
spqrzilla
10-25-2013, 20:12
Glass Steagal was the deregulation that tore down the wall from regular banking like mortgages and investment banking. Which meant that Wallstreet could package up crappy debt and sell it to investors. So the gold rush to get chumps to sign up was on... They needed bodies in mortgages to sell to idiot investors.
False.
Glass Steagal tore down a wall between commercial banking and consumer banking - but did nothing to create the mortgage bubble.
The end of Glass Steagal probably saved our banking system in 2008 since it allowed bank mergers to be made that stabilized our banking system.
You are the ignorant one.
False.
Glass Steagal tore down a wall between commercial banking and consumer banking - but did nothing to create the mortgage bubble.
The end of Glass Steagal probably saved our banking system in 2008 since it allowed bank mergers to be made that stabilized our banking system.
You are the ignorant one.
Commercial = investment banking
consumer = personal accounts and stuff like mortgages.
<MADDOG>
10-25-2013, 20:19
Let me clue you into what happened. Banks once they were deregulated WANTED to make loans to any fool they could get to sign a dotted line. The gov did not have to force them...
You and I really disagree on that one. There's a reason the US had to bail out Fannie/Freddie...
When you all are finished in here, I have some potted plants that would like to be talked to. They have some strange notions about economics and historical fiction and I am sure they would enjoy posting with you for several days.
These plants are very smart and they will quote from various right and left wing sources.
Enjoy!
You and I really disagree on that one. There's a reason the US had to bail out Fannie/Freddie...
Fannie and Freddie got into the game late but in the end were doing much the same because the market had changed and that was what they had to do to compete with the corruption. It was a downward rachet towards oblivion.
One of the biggest problems we face in our future is that Obama did not have the balls or he was just too corrupt to reign in the black hole of the derivatives market. Once that goes... there is no world economy left. The last guess was that the value of that right now was 27x the wealth of the world today. Bets on bets on bets on bets.
<MADDOG>
10-25-2013, 20:32
Glass Steagal had nothing to do with mortgages....
Actually, in a way, I believe it helped immensely. Article puts it better than I can summarize...
"At the most fundamental level, the financial collapse happened because market forces failed to discipline risk-taking by executives who lead banks and other financial firms. Under normal conditions, the fear of financial ruin is enough to make a company president cautious. But in our system, normal market discipline was suspended. Financial executives took on far more risk than they could handle. The factors that encouraged excessive risk-taking are worth restating, so we can put Glass-Steagall in perspective:
Financial institutions could issue mortgages to inappropriate borrowers and then sell these mortgages right away, so they wouldn't be caught holding the bag when the payments stopped.
Financial institutions were allowed to expand their speculation by leveraging their federally-guaranteed deposits. (This is what the original Glass-Steagall Act prohibited.)
Capital requirements were set too low. Financial firms were not required to keep enough assets on hand to protect against speculative investments that went bad.
The massive scale and interconnectedness of the financial system required the government to bail out institutions rather than let them fail due to their poor risk management. (This is the so-called "too big to fail" problem.)
There was a profound misalignment of incentives between the performance of financial firms and the pay of the executives who ran them. The financial incentives for executives and boards, coupled with the lack of criminal prosecution, meant that individual executives profited personally from decisions that were catastrophic for the banks they ran."
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2013/08/23/glass-steagall-critics-have-got-it-all-wrong
<MADDOG>
10-25-2013, 20:34
Fannie and Freddie got into the game late but in the end were doing much the same because the market had changed and that was what they had to do to compete with the corruption. It was a downward rachet towards oblivion.
And again, I disagree with you.
Maddog just explained it much more succinct than I did.
And again, I disagree with you.
Can you agree with the idea that banks own the gov more than gov controls the banks?
What you have is an opinion piece in a blog. Opinions are like assholes.
What you have is an opinion piece in a blog. Opinions are like assholes.
Can you at least post the link to the article because I have posted few different onces. I would not call the BBC a blog.
I was replying to MADDOG, but a bunch of other posts showed up in-between.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2013/08/23/glass-steagall-critics-have-got-it-all-wrong
USNews is hardly a blog at all. Its a major publication that has been around for a long time and is not a liberal anything.
Can you not read the URL, or do you intentionally make discussion tedious? USNews->Opinion->BLOGS
In this case this is a writer writing for a prestigious organization not a personal blog at all. I suspect the term "Blog" is used as a marketing term. You can see his other work here. http://www.usnews.com/topics/author/david_brodwin
osok-308
10-25-2013, 21:01
Carters recession was partially caused by him paying down the Vietnam debt....
Just wait till we have to pay off all war Debt that the GOP left us from Bush.
You do know that it was LBJ a DEMOCRAT that got us into 'nam.
BushMasterBoy
10-25-2013, 21:02
Oh FFS, Reagan was gonna start bombing Tehran with B-52's if they did not release the hostages. And yes I was down at Barksdale AFB when they were getting ready for the mission. The plan was to just bomb a circle around the embassy and if the students killed the hostages Reagan was gonna level Tehran. Thats why the hostages left the ground right after Reagan swore his oath. Not to mention Reagan suffered from Alzheimers...
Oh FFS, Reagan was gonna start bombing Tehran with B-52's if they did not release the hostages. And yes I was down at Barksdale AFB when they were getting ready for the mission. The plan was to just bomb a circle around the embassy and if the students killed the hostages Reagan was gonna level Tehran. Thats why the hostages left the ground right after Reagan swore his oath. Not to mention Reagan suffered from Alzheimers...
A nice show basically. The dark world of international relations is full of that.
I also don't care if LBJ was a Dem... I hate both parties
osok-308
10-25-2013, 21:06
I also don't care if LBJ was a Dem... I hate both parties
Says the man who voted for obama?
For being a man who supposedly hates both parties, I see you giving a lot of lip service to Jimmy Carter, who was arguably one of the worst presidents OF ALL TIME.
Says the man who voted for obama?
For being a man who supposedly hates both parties, I see you giving a lot of lip service to Jimmy Carter, who was arguably one of the worst presidents OF ALL TIME.
Compared to Reagans treason, it makes Carter look like an honorable presidency. Our two party dictatorshit is so screwing this nation that there is no one good to vote for. I hoped Obama would do the right thing. He has not he has proven to be Bushes 3rd term in all the most horrible ways possible. As much as you call him a socialist, he has darn near nothing different than Bush and all he did was pass the GOP Romney Care on the national level. A great big wet kiss to the insurance cartels. Wow what a socialist....
Holger Danske
10-25-2013, 21:17
nynco were you alive in the 80s? 70s? Just curious
<MADDOG>
10-25-2013, 21:20
What you have is an opinion piece in a blog. Opinions are like assholes.
Gman, I appreciate you pointing out the article is a blog, but it is the 1st one that popped up on my google! As a rookie & uneducated economist/political/history nerd, I encourage you, and others, to do your own unbiased research. Some of what NYNCO states IS true (conspiracy BS aside). And back on point; if you find evidence that the revocation of Glass Steagall did not contribute to the banks investing in the derivatives/sub prime market, I am all ears.
I will regress to my earlier post back in page #18; most of you bring something to the table.
With that being said: Uncle...
Nynco, why do you keep referring back to your so-called "Reagan treason" argument when it is patently false? When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. When you start getting lava bubbling up, you should have stopped digging a while ago... I better tread carefully near you, so I don't step in the bullshit.
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osok-308
10-25-2013, 21:27
Compared to Reagans treason, it makes Carter look like an honorable presidency. Our two party dictatorshit is so screwing this nation that there is no one good to vote for. I hoped Obama would do the right thing. He has not he has proven to be Bushes 3rd term in all the most horrible ways possible. As much as you call him a socialist, he has darn near nothing different than Bush and all he did was pass the GOP Romney Care on the national level. A great big wet kiss to the insurance cartels. Wow what a socialist....
See you're still saying Reagan's treason. You've passed as judge, jury, and executioner in this entire situation after reading one​ tiny article. I'd hate to see how much I could change your views with a cheap fiction novel. There was NO good part of Carter's presidency, and to say otherwise is not only asinine, it's a a bald faced lie. There's a reason that Reagan won practically every state the next year. Bush was not great with his passing of the patriot act, however, people fail to see that he went to war while having a democrat majority. I agree that we need to get ourselves out of this two party system: as George Washington said: "Parties will destroy this country". However, if you cannot see the BLATANT socialist tendencies that the current president has, then I have no hope for you. [fail]
Also is it strange that when I read Ronin's posts, I read them in Ron Swanson's voice?
nynco were you alive in the 80s? 70s? Just curious
Yes and I remember the hearings for Iran Contra quite well. I paid attention to them like people follow sports. It was far more fascinating to me and it was about things that mattered. It was the first real political event that I followed. I started reading the news paper, political mags and periodicals when most kids were playing with baseball cards.
Maddog... I appreciate what you wrote and enjoyed reading it.
we need to get honorable people like obama that we can believe in and be proud of. i assume since you buy all the unsubstantiated (and really when you look at historical context damn near impossible) evidence against reagan, you will believe obama himself is completely responsible for ALL the shenanigans over the last few years. you know, like having a part in the libya fiasco. that resulted in the death of US citizens. after all, theres more evidence of that being the case than of this with reagan.
reagan had no real power at the time. you think he could contact someone high up in iranian government, while restricted, convince them to do a deal, no one makes a peep about it even though they have hated us 100% since the beginning of time, and now its 100% believable because a former iranian president 30 years later says so? wow. that took some real convincing on your part i can see.
Nynco, why do you keep referring back to your so-called "Reagan treason" argument when it is patently false? When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. When you start getting lava bubbling up, you should have stopped digging a while ago... I better tread carefully near you, so I don't step in the bullshit.
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Ronin do you really understand what Iran Contra was. That in and of it self what was PROVEN in the hearings was treason. The only thing that protected Reagan was pleading the 5th/amnesia and blaming Oli North.
we need to get honorable people like obama that we can believe in and be proud of. i assume since you buy all the unsubstantiated (and really when you look at historical context damn near impossible) evidence against reagan, you will believe obama himself is completely responsible for ALL the shenanigans over the last few years. you know, like having a part in the libya fiasco. that resulted in the death of US citizens. after all, theres more evidence of that being the case than of this with reagan.
reagan had no real power at the time. you think he could contact someone high up in iranian government, while restricted, convince them to do a deal, no one makes a peep about it even though they have hated us 100% since the beginning of time, and now its 100% believable because a former iranian president 30 years later says so? wow. that took some real convincing on your part i can see.
No I believe Obama like all the other people in our modern system are owned. The reason they are owned is the right wing won in their quest to make money = free speech and now those with the most money buy our gov. Basically its over.... Obama is a figurehead who is incapable of the reforms needed. We have a right wing that is disconnected from reality trying to play chicken with our national debt default. Our country is more fucked now than any other point in my lifetime and perhaps way longer.
osok-308
10-25-2013, 21:42
No I believe Obama like all the other people in our modern system are owned. The reason they are owned is the right wing won in their quest to make money = free speech and now those with the most money buy our gov. Basically its over.... Obama is a figurehead who is incapable of the reforms needed. We have a right wing that is disconnected from reality trying to play chicken with our national debt default. Our country is more fucked now than any other point in my lifetime and perhaps way longer.
Because it's soooo wrong to oppose raising a debt ceiling and trying to actually put a halt to the unbridled spending that obama has been doing, just 6 short years after he claimed that "the fact that we're talking about raising the debt ceiling is a sign of poor leadership"
Holy crap!!
Alinsky is still is alive!!!![facepalm]
Oh god, a Paulbot.
Whats wrong with Ron Paul? I guess I still havent figured out why Dems and Republicans hate the guy so much. Never voted for him, met him, or contributed to his campaign but after watching the debates I personally thought he sounded fairly intelligent.
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Whats wrong with Ron Paul? I guess I still havent figured out why Dems and Republicans hate the guy so much. Never voted for him, met him, or contributed to his campaign but after watching the debates I personally thought he sounded fairly intelligent.
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In comparison to all the other options he was the one that was the least crappy between all sides.
osok-308
10-25-2013, 22:03
Whats wrong with Ron Paul? I guess I still havent figured out why Dems and Republicans hate the guy so much. Never voted for him, met him, or contributed to his campaign but after watching the debates I personally thought he sounded fairly intelligent.
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That's because Ron Paul is amazing, i'd vote for him in a second.
My Grandpa always said if you have a horse with 3 broke legs you dont feed him anymore apples. Well im pretty much convinced this thead has 4 broke legs. The only thing useful I think we all have gained was a decent list of John Wayne films to watch this weekend. Beer. Because I can.
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BushMasterBoy
10-25-2013, 22:13
Whats wrong with Ron Paul?
I think Ron Paul advocates the dismantling of the Federal Reserve and return to a gold/silver standard.
It would not allow for the .gov to print trillions of dollars out of thin air...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgIHWWV_vAc
Not that I am saying there is anything wrong with Ron Paul, but it would require a HUGE change in the present system and the price of precious metals would soar.
<MADDOG>
10-25-2013, 23:16
Oh, and as my dying breath on this thread....
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/117139-quot-A-Time-for-Choosing-quot-by-Ronald-Reagan-1964
Bailey Guns
10-26-2013, 04:31
I really haven't felt the need to contribute to this abortion of a discussion which started with the OP.
I find it really incredible that we have nynco attempting to convince everyone that a politician from the Iran of decades ago is honorable and can be taken at his word that Reagan committed treason, and on the other hand he's trying to convince everyone that all politicians basically are evil and, along with our system of government, can't be trusted.
nynco, IF you ever had even the slightest hint of credibility, it's gone now.
losttrail
10-26-2013, 07:17
Here's my last word on this topic:
nynco-mpoop.
68Charger
10-26-2013, 07:36
Nearly 250 posts... Pretty successful troll, I must say.
Ya know drinkin that kool aid will rot yer brain......
Just sayin......[Coffee]
ChunkyMonkey
10-26-2013, 15:09
Ya know drinkin that kool aid will rot yer brain......
Just sayin......[Coffee]
LIES!!! Libtards have no brains. They are zombies.
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