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Why this:
http://media.knoxnews.com/media/img/photos/2013/10/26/media_eb93858a64d248b79d76a00dc5e639b9_t607.jpg
When looking for this:
http://media.knoxnews.com/media/img/photos/2013/10/26/media_7d2b681f19284d9b9f444f715f08b106_t607.jpg
From: http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2013/oct/26/suspect-in-northern-calif-standoff-surrenders/
The guy in the car looks pretty calm considering some dipshit has a rifle stuck in his face.
With a history of carjacking the fugitive could've been hiding in the backseat . . . but that's no reason to be pointing a rifle at citizens at a checkpoint.
but that's no reason to be pointing a rifle at citizens at a checkpoint.
Exactly.
Looks like the cop with the rifle is distracting the driver so the cop in the black k-pot can steal his bag of McDonald's on the passenger seat.
wctriumph
10-28-2013, 12:40
Looks like the cop with the rifle is distracting the driver so the cop in the black k-pot can steal his box of Doughnuts on the passenger seat.
FIFY
BushMasterBoy
10-28-2013, 12:41
More proof that the police state has arrived?
Yeah that guy on the far side of the car made me think of the "relax we're from the internet" poster. :)
Is that a PMAG?
More proof that the police state has arrived?
No, not at all [Flower].
35589
No, not at all [Flower].
35589
That dipstick needs to adjust his Flag patch. Unless he's going to lie on the ground while I teabag him, it's displayed incorrectly.
That dipstick needs to adjust his Flag patch. Unless he's going to lie on the ground while I teabag him, it's displayed incorrectly.
He just thinks he is super man.
He just thinks he is super man.
But then it would be flying under duress.
Unless Superman flies on his back.
stoner01
10-28-2013, 14:39
Not seeing what's wrong with his flag
Not seeing what's wrong with his flag
It's vertical, rather than horizontal.
stoner01
10-28-2013, 15:15
It's vertical, rather than horizontal.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's just the cant of his pocket.
I'm still trying to figure why a county sheriff needs to have a US flag on their shoulder. Wouldn't a state flag make more sense?
stoner01
10-28-2013, 15:35
Because MERICA!!!!!
But then it would be flying under duress.
Unless Superman flies on his back.
I could be wrong but i remember superman flying with his arms forward.
And Powdered Toast Man flew backwards!
hurley842002
10-28-2013, 15:48
I'm still trying to figure why a county sheriff needs to have a US flag on their shoulder. Wouldn't a state flag make more sense?
That's one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard in awhile.....
That's one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard in awhile.....
Why? It is on Mil uniforms for identification and working with other nations that might have similar uniforms. That same purpose at Sheriff level would ideally be some county identifier but who knows the county flags?
If the purpose is patriotism like the must have flag pin, ok...
killarney
10-28-2013, 16:12
And Powdered Toast Man flew backwards!
Nice! good ole Ren and Stimpy.
I would have been pissed to be looking at the business end of an officer's rifle for the guilty until proven innocent act of going about my life.
hurley842002
10-28-2013, 16:23
if the purpose is patriotism like the must have flag pin, ok...
Pretty sure that's the only reason it's worn, and the only reason needed for wearing it.
trlcavscout
10-28-2013, 16:26
Looks like the cop with the rifle is distracting the driver so the cop in the black k-pot can steal his bag of McDonald's on the passenger seat.
That's what I thought also
hurley842002
10-28-2013, 16:36
I would have been pissed to be looking at the business end of an officer's rifle for the guilty until proven innocent act of going about my life.
Agree!
No, not at all [Flower].
35589
Looks like Steven Seagal: Lawman behind the wheel.
SuperiorDG
10-28-2013, 16:55
I shit my pants when a blue gun is pointed at me. But I guess that just comes form being around guns so much. Being this is CA he probably has no idea how much BS this is.
Stevensje
10-28-2013, 17:13
I would be pissed if a gun was pointed at me. That picture is proof of unsafe gun safety. He should lose his badge.
GilpinGuy
10-28-2013, 17:19
Nice! good ole Ren and Stimpy.
Ahh, the good ole days.
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SideShow Bob
10-28-2013, 17:24
Yeah that guy on the far side of the car made me think of the "relax we're from the internet" poster. :)
Is that a PMAG?
You mean this guy ?
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/29/a3ube5ub.jpg
If I had to run from the cops ever I hope that tub o lard is the one running after me.
hghclsswhitetrsh
10-28-2013, 19:43
If I had to run from the cops ever I hope that tub o lard is the one running after me.
Speaking of which on Saturday I saw an adams county k9 patrol officer that had to be 350+. Of course he doesn't have to run. He has a dog.
hurley842002
10-28-2013, 20:30
Speaking of which on Saturday I saw an adams county k9 patrol officer that had to be 350+. Of course he doesn't have to run. He has a dog.
Oh you'd be quite surprised how active many handlers are, especially narcotics units.
I can't speak for that Adams County individual tho lol.
You mean this guy ?
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/29/a3ube5ub.jpg
Now, that's what I call "tactically padded".
Holy cow the tinfoil is thick in this thread. 2 random pictures with no supporting context and everyone is talking shit about the people who protect you while you sleep. Yes, there are good and bad cops, all are human and make mistakes as we all do. The same people bitching about overweight cops are some of the same people that can't walk half a mile without stopping to catch their breath. Some of you need to spend less time armchair quarterbacking people who protect you and more time being productive.
Rant over for now
Holy cow the tinfoil is thick in this thread. 2 random pictures with no supporting context and everyone is talking shit about the people who protect you while you sleep. Yes, there are good and bad cops, all are human and make mistakes as we all do. The same people bitching about overweight cops are some of the same people that can't walk half a mile without stopping to catch their breath. Some of you need to spend less time armchair quarterbacking people who protect you and more time being productive.
Rant over for now
In my defense, all I did was call the guy with the rifle a dipshit. But, the guy on the other side of the car does look a little bit like JM Ver 2.0.
theGinsue
10-28-2013, 23:19
Why? It is on Mil uniforms for identification and working with other nations that might have similar uniforms. That same purpose at Sheriff level would ideally be some county identifier but who knows the county flags?
If the purpose is patriotism like the must have flag pin, ok...
Pretty sure that's the only reason it's worn, and the only reason needed for wearing it.
If the deputy with the flag is from a border county, I could see where having a national flag patch makes sense.
RonMexico
10-28-2013, 23:21
I'm still trying to figure why a county sheriff needs to have a US flag on their shoulder. Wouldn't a state flag make more sense?
That's what happens why everyone buys "cool guy" gear in magazines and end up looking like tools.
That photo should really help that driver in his lawsuit about having a rifle unjustly pointed at his face!
I think it just looks like its pointed at the drivers face, more likely the gun is pointed towards the back seat.
Could be wrong though...
I am not an expert in photography, but here are my observations:
The photographer is not at a right angle to the car. As you can see the reflection of the stripe of the officer’s pants several inches in front of him, the A pillar on the passenger side, the rear window “frames” not lining up and can easily see the back of head rest on the passenger side seat.
The officer doesn’t look like he is touching the driver’s side mirror, so he is a minimum of 8-12 inches away from the car possibly more .
Looking at the way the cops body is bladed, hips perpendicular to the car, rifle in the shoulder pocket, his left arm against his body and his left forearm arm parallel to or pointing away from the car door. This would leave the muzzle over and in front of his left foot about 18-24 inches.
If you twist the picture in your mind until the window frames match up I think you will see the gun is behind the driver’s shoulder and pointing towards the back seat in front of the rear tires.
After looking again it doesn’t look as bad as the quick glance does.
It is like pool, all about the angles.
Just my .02
It is like JOURNALISM, all about the angles.
Just my .02
IFIFY
hghclsswhitetrsh
10-29-2013, 06:32
Holy cow the tinfoil is thick in this thread. 2 random pictures with no supporting context and everyone is talking shit about the people who protect you while you sleep. Yes, there are good and bad cops, all are human and make mistakes as we all do. The same people bitching about overweight cops are some of the same people that can't walk half a mile without stopping to catch their breath. Some of you need to spend less time armchair quarterbacking people who protect you and more time being productive.
Rant over for now
Sure bro. Cool story bro.
I do appreciate all of our nations heroes.
Like my buddy, a 10+ year officer for DPD says - if you can't handle the criticism and judgement that come with being a cop, you should probably be a firefighter.
brokenscout
10-29-2013, 07:35
Its becoming a police state very quickly. Also after the Christopher Dorner incident we all know they will shoot first and ask questions later.
I'm still trying to figure why a county sheriff needs to have a US flag on their shoulder. Wouldn't a state flag make more sense?
I'm still trying to figure out how you haven't seen LE uniforms with US flags on them. San Diego County for one has a colored US flag on the shoulder. I've yet to see a single police uniform with their respective state's flag.
Anywho, I tend to agree with the sentiment that everyone is a critic. I have a buddy who constantly posts all the bad stories about cops on Facebook- when he knows what I'm training to do with my life- yet he still claims he's not a cop basher... but he still posts the stories. Wouldn't it be better if he actually tried to find the good that LE does every day? Oh wait, the MSM doesn't report on the daily good that LE does, they like to focus on the bad.
It is like pool, all about the angles.
substantial depth of field prior to POF + typical journalist shot (they tend to shoot wide open rather than stopping down at all) = I don't think the back seat had much to worry about.
clublights
10-29-2013, 09:29
Its becoming a police state very quickly. Also after the Christopher Dorner incident we all know they will shoot first and ask questions later.
Yeah when you look at the incidents that whole deal was scary as all get out..
I wonder how much the ladies in the truck got paid ?
quick research … 4.2 mil…. ( 2.1 each) plus 40K for a new truck.
dunno if that woulda been enough for me.
lowbeyond
10-29-2013, 09:44
Holy cow the tinfoil is thick in this thread. 2 random pictures with no supporting context and everyone is talking shit about the people who protect you while you sleep. Yes, there are good and bad cops, all are human and make mistakes as we all do. The same people bitching about overweight cops are some of the same people that can't walk half a mile without stopping to catch their breath. Some of you need to spend less time armchair quarterbacking people who protect you and more time being productive.
Rant over for now
Cops protect me while i sleep ?
[ROFL2] [ROFL3][LOL]
Do you actually believe that? Really? Okayyyyyyyyyyyyy
DavieD55
10-29-2013, 10:21
Y'all need to stop bitc---- the cops were just following orders and trying to do their job. but seriously, hitlers ss was just following orders too... brokenscout is right.
losttrail
10-29-2013, 10:21
Holy cow the tinfoil is thick in this thread. 2 random pictures with no supporting context and everyone is talking shit about the people who protect you while you sleep. Yes, there are good and bad cops, all are human and make mistakes as we all do. The same people bitching about overweight cops are some of the same people that can't walk half a mile without stopping to catch their breath. Some of you need to spend less time armchair quarterbacking people who protect you and more time being productive.
Rant over for now
I think the issue is that we see an ever increasing 'militaristic' equipping of our local law enforcement units. There seems to be a trend over the past 20 years or so, to blur the line between the military and local law enforcement. Not just through equipment but also training, tactics and attitude.
The military attitude is much less "innocent until proven guilty" than our "civilian" laws portend.
While i believe that our local law enforcement agencies has just cause to up-gear, up-train and up-tactic due to the increasing capabilities of threats, I also believe that there is a very real 'Orwellian' threat facing the citizenry of the U.S.
DavieD55
10-29-2013, 10:49
I think the issue is that we see an ever increasing 'militaristic' equipping of our local law enforcement units. There seems to be a trend over the past 20 years or so, to blur the line between the military and local law enforcement. Not just through equipment but also training, tactics and attitude.
The military attitude is much less "innocent until proven guilty" than our "civilian" laws portend.
While i believe that our local law enforcement agencies has just cause to up-gear, up-train and up-tactic due to the increasing capabilities of threats, I also believe that there is a very real 'Orwellian' threat facing the citizenry of the U.S.
Oh yeah, the boogieman terrorists that will get us... As Jmaes Madison new long before we did...
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
There is now a domestic threat that has been created which is anyone who does not bow to the agenda of the current administration.
None of us were there, facing the threats that officer was that day, or everyday. 1 fed agent and 3 local PD w ere injured just prior to that. None of the critics here face the dangers that officer does every single day, the threats against him and his family, and against his brothers. I applaud him for making the hard decision to do what was necessary, safe (finger is clear of the trigger), and legally right, to ensure he made it home at the end of the day. Most of the critics here have never made that decision nor have the balls/ability/mindset necessary to do that. Are local cops becoming more militaristic? Of course! Look at the current threats they face today. If you want to flap your gums about their tactics then take it up with their chiefs, not the guy on the street everyday just trying to provide for his family. Most of you who talk the most shit have done the least...
newracer
10-29-2013, 11:31
None of us were there, facing the threats that officer was that day, or everyday. 1 fed agent and 3 local PD w ere injured just prior to that. None of the critics here face the dangers that officer does every single day, the threats against him and his family, and against his brothers. I applaud him for making the hard decision to do what was necessary, safe (finger is clear of the trigger), and legally right, to ensure he made it home at the end of the day. Most of the critics here have never made that decision nor have the balls/ability/mindset necessary to do that. Are local cops becoming more militaristic? Of course! Look at the current threats they face today. If you want to flap your gums about their tactics then take it up with their chiefs, not the guy on the street everyday just trying to provide for his family. Most of you who talk the most shit have done the least...
I know it is not clear in the picture but none of what you posted allows him to put another person's life in danger by pointing a loaded weapon at them. His life is no more important than the passenger of the car.
BushMasterBoy
10-29-2013, 11:35
Police in Colorado are protected by law, so they aren't charged with "menacing with a deadly weapon". Really rich people are not so concerned with with roadblocks as they take helicopters over that shit. Oh wait, is that a drone coming for us? LMAO
<MADDOG>
10-29-2013, 11:39
Exactly how are the threats of today different than the past?
Exactly how are the threats of today different than the past?
Communication is better so we now know about them? :)
I know it is not clear in the picture but none of what you posted allows him to put another person's life in danger by pointing a loaded weapon at them. His life is no more important than the passenger of the car.
I agree.
Holy cow the tinfoil is thick in this thread. 2 random pictures with no supporting context and everyone is talking shit about the people who protect you while you sleep. Yes, there are good and bad cops, all are human and make mistakes as we all do. The same people bitching about overweight cops are some of the same people that can't walk half a mile without stopping to catch their breath. Some of you need to spend less time armchair quarterbacking people who protect you and more time being productive.
Rant over for now
I protect myself. Pretty much The only interactions I've had with cops involved me giving them money. Be it for tickets, a concealed carry permit or donations for their group/cause.
Delfuego
10-29-2013, 12:09
But... "it's for your own protection"
BushMasterBoy
10-29-2013, 12:41
Look we are now much safer because the CIA etc. is using Amazon.com to provide intelligence data management...now we can shop and kill terrorists at the same time!
http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/07/amazon-web-services-wins-again-in-battle-to-build-the-cia-and-nsa-cloud/
Looks like a "dick" don't it?35685
DavieD55
10-29-2013, 13:11
None of us were there, facing the threats that officer was that day, or everyday. 1 fed agent and 3 local PD w ere injured just prior to that. None of the critics here face the dangers that officer does every single day, the threats against him and his family, and against his brothers. I applaud him for making the hard decision to do what was necessary, safe (finger is clear of the trigger), and legally right, to ensure he made it home at the end of the day. Most of the critics here have never made that decision nor have the balls/ability/mindset necessary to do that. Are local cops becoming more militaristic? Of course! Look at the current threats they face today. If you want to flap your gums about their tactics then take it up with their chiefs, not the guy on the street everyday just trying to provide for his family. Most of you who talk the most shit have done the least...
Who are the threats that you mention? According to government entities these are currently the biggest threats to the USA.
A whole list of people who:
Expressions of libertarian philosophies (statements, bumper stickers, believe in civil liberties) Second Amendment-oriented views (NRA or gun club membership, holding a CCW permit)
Survivalist literature (fictional books such as "Patriots" and "One Seconed After" are mentioned by name)
Self-sufficiency (stockpiling food, ammo, hand tools, medical supplies)
Fear of economic collapse (buying gold and barter items)
Religious views and practices such as Christianity concerning the book of Revelation (apocalypse, anti-Christ)
Expressed fears of Big Brother or big government
Homeschooling
Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties
BushMasterBoy
10-29-2013, 13:24
You left out the military veterans. By the way,if you are a military veteran enrolled in the VA healthcare program, you are EXEMPT from Obamacare!
You left out the military veterans. By the way,if you are a military veteran enrolled in the VA healthcare program, you are EXEMPT from Obamacare!
But, your rates will rise.
lowbeyond
10-29-2013, 13:36
None of us were there, facing the threats that officer was that day, or everyday. 1 fed agent and 3 local PD w ere injured just prior to that. None of the critics here face the dangers that officer does every single day, the threats against him and his family, and against his brothers. I applaud him for making the hard decision to do what was necessary, safe (finger is clear of the trigger), and legally right, to ensure he made it home at the end of the day. Most of the critics here have never made that decision nor have the balls/ability/mindset necessary to do that. Are local cops becoming more militaristic? Of course! Look at the current threats they face today. If you want to flap your gums about their tactics then take it up with their chiefs, not the guy on the street everyday just trying to provide for his family. Most of you who talk the most shit have done the least...
None of us were there. So STFU
What he did was necessary. So STFU
Job #1 Make it home at th end of the day. That is all that matters. So STFU
You don't understand, because they rest of you are pussies and or idiots. So STFU
Its not his fault for sticking a rifle in someones face, its his boss. He is blameless. So STFU
Hes just like you trying to put food on the table. So STFU
Bravo!
Oh and dont forget, they, the cops, protect you while you are sleeping!
[blah-blah]
generalmeow
10-29-2013, 14:02
"Why are you pointing a rifle at my face?"
"I'M PROTECTING YOU MOTHER FUCKER!"
kidicarus13
10-29-2013, 14:08
HIGH
<----POLICE
<----EVERYONE ELSE
LOW
"Respect my Authoritah!" -Eric Cartman
lpgasman
10-29-2013, 14:21
[Pop]
In before the lock.
Y'all need to stop bitc---- the cops were just following orders and trying to do their job. but seriously, hitlers ss was just following orders too... brokenscout is right.
I feel the need to request the "brakes be pumped" on this. Stop comparing modern American law enforcement and "just doing their job" to the SS or other Nazi Germany war criminals "just doing their job." Two very different things- US LEOs are much more accountable, have US/Constitutional law to abide by, and have public opinion and department policy to abide by. Our cops are not out rounding up minorities for systematic slaughter- so please, refrain from comparing the "just doing their job" to the Nazis. It's disingenuous and counter productive.
generalmeow
10-29-2013, 14:31
I feel the need to request the "brakes be pumped" on this. Stop comparing modern American law enforcement and "just doing their job" to the SS or other Nazi Germany war criminals "just doing their job." Two very different things- US LEOs are much more accountable, have US/Constitutional law to abide by, and have public opinion and department policy to abide by. Our cops are not out rounding up minorities for systematic slaughter- so please, refrain from comparing the "just doing their job" to the Nazis. It's disingenuous and counter productive.
Except if the nazis didn't do what they were told, they were probably executed. So they had even more of a reason to follow ridiculous orders then LEO's.
The LEO could walk away. The Nazi couldn't.
Everyone just does what they're told, but some have better reason to do it than others. ETA - "better" probably isn't the word for it. Nazis didn't have a better reason for following orders, they had a scarier reason.
DavieD55
10-29-2013, 14:53
I feel the need to request the "brakes be pumped" on this. Stop comparing modern American law enforcement and "just doing their job" to the SS or other Nazi Germany war criminals "just doing their job." Two very different things- US LEOs are much more accountable, have US/Constitutional law to abide by, and have public opinion and department policy to abide by. Our cops are not out rounding up minorities for systematic slaughter- so please, refrain from comparing the "just doing their job" to the Nazis. It's disingenuous and counter productive.
I am glad that you have an understanding of the differences between what is wrong and what is right. Many don't give a shit about it and ignore it. The Constitution reigns supreme regardless.
newracer
10-29-2013, 14:55
Many park rangers were only "following orders" when they closed the national monuments and parks.
Kraven251
10-29-2013, 14:59
I see in this picture a guy who is in fact getting a rifle pointed at him. He also only has one hand on the steering wheel the other isn't in plain view. Given that fact I will go with the police on that matter.
As for all of the other posturing...
They are people doing a job. I defend my house at night, and don't expect anyone else to save me. We don't know what is going on, but obviously there is a situation.
If the only reason you can give someone for doing something is "I'm just doing my job", then you may want to rethink why you're doing that job.
Civilian- "Why are you pointing that rifle at my face?!"
Officer-"I'm just doing my job, sir"
Compared to:
Civilian-"Why are you pointing that rifle at my face?"
Officer-"Sir, there's a dangerous criminal on the loose and we have to take all necessary precautions. We don't know if he's hiding in your car and has you at gun point so we have to act as if he's in every car. We'll move swiftly so you can be on your way."
Scenario 2 explains why he's doing what he's doing and can show reason to why he's doing it. If the only answer you can give is "Im just doing my job" then you're probably being a chode.
BushMasterBoy
10-29-2013, 15:15
The "authorities" protect their own, no matter what they do! Look for example at Joshua Carrier, a Colorado Springs city police officer convicted of being a child molester. He was sentenced to prison, but the Colorado Department of Corrections "inmate locator" shows "no record found". Cops get special treatment, lets face it.
http://gazette.com/joshua-carrier-sentenced-to-70-years-to-life-for-molestations/article/15134
http://www.doc.state.co.us/oss/
I'm not bashing LEO's but their bosses i.e. the DA's, governors, president etc. are some real scumbags!
<MADDOG>
10-29-2013, 15:18
Detroit, 1967
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/pperron/DetroitRiots1967_62_zps0751c14d.jpg (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/pperron/media/DetroitRiots1967_62_zps0751c14d.jpg.html)
As our military evolves, our police do also.
I would like to point out nothing has changed. IE: the past rounding of US citizens and their subsequent placement into internment camps, the deployment of the National Guard to quell rioting college kids, etc. Oh, I forgot a certain NWA song in 88' that started a shit-storm "fuck tha police". That had nothing to do with what was felt as a oppressive police force then either, right?
The only difference between now and then is the internet.
generalmeow
10-29-2013, 15:23
Many park rangers were only "following orders" when they closed the national monuments and parks.
Right, but what kind of an order does a park ranger receive? I mean if it's ridiculous, like "just make things difficult for people", why follow it? Why say you're just doing your job?
The fact that park rangers just do what they're told, even if what they've been told is to completely piss off the citizens that pay their salaries, is about as close to proof as we can get that cops would do the same thing.
It's not life or death for them, just a paycheck, and they'd still do it. Some would walk away at various points when it's gone too far, but not many.
None of us were there. So STFU
What he did was necessary. So STFU
Job #1 Make it home at th end of the day. That is all that matters. So STFU
You don't understand, because they rest of you are pussies and or idiots. So STFU
Its not his fault for sticking a rifle in someones face, its his boss. He is blameless. So STFU
Hes just like you trying to put food on the table. So STFU
Bravo!
Oh and dont forget, they, the cops, protect you while you are sleeping!
[blah-blah]
Thank you for being the prime example of my point. You have no idea what that officer is doing and yet you want to criticize him, ignorantly, for doing what he must. Ignorance must truly be bliss...
DavieD55
10-29-2013, 15:44
Kalifonya also has chronic problems with letting all kinds of criminals out of the prison system.
<MADDOG>
10-29-2013, 15:53
Thank you for being the prime example of my point. You have no idea what that officer is doing and yet you want to criticize him, ignorantly, for doing what he must. Ignorance must truly be bliss...
The irony is; I don't think you got his...
generalmeow
10-29-2013, 16:03
You have no idea what that officer is doing and yet you want to criticize him, ignorantly, for doing what he must. Ignorance must truly be bliss...
How do you know he's doing what he must, if you have no idea what the officer is doing?
hghclsswhitetrsh
10-29-2013, 16:10
Ok coloccw put your current self in this exact situation. You have done absolutely nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide, you're in a car, and a police office has a rifle pointed at you(or close), because a suspect is on the loose.
Are you ok with this? Just a simple yes or no will do.
Ok coloccw put your current self in this exact situation. You have done absolutely nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide, you're in a car, and a police office has a rifle pointed at you(or close), because a suspect is on the loose.
Are you ok with this? Just a simple yes or no will do.
Yep. An officer pointing a weapon near someone is a safety measure, not a threat.
generalmeow
10-29-2013, 16:45
Yep. An officer pointing a weapon near someone is a safety measure, not a threat.
A safety measure for them, not for me. I thought it was supposed to be about my safety? It is a threat for me.
Think about it in the reverse - what if there's a fake cop going around murdering people. I take it upon myself to point a gun at every cop I see until I determine they're not the culprit. "But it's for safety! My doing this is not a threat!" Yeah, it's for my safety alone, and a huge threat to the person I'm pointing the gun at. I don't think this would last long.
But why would the cops even get mad, since they do this to everyone and the person they point the gun at is supposed to be grateful?
hurley842002
10-29-2013, 16:53
The "authorities" protect their own, no matter what they do! Look for example at Joshua Carrier, a Colorado Springs city police officer convicted of being a child molester. He was sentenced to prison, but the Colorado Department of Corrections "inmate locator" shows "no record found". Cops get special treatment, lets face it.
http://gazette.com/joshua-carrier-sentenced-to-70-years-to-life-for-molestations/article/15134
http://www.doc.state.co.us/oss/
I'm not bashing LEO's but their bosses i.e. the DA's, governors, president etc. are some real scumbags!
This is one of the most ridiculous statements i've heard in awhile. If you for one second, think anybody WANTS to protect a child molester, you are crazy. Society has said "we want to rehabilitate offenders". It would be nearly impossible to try and rehabilitate Joshua Carrier, without some sort of "special accommodations".
With that said, please don't confuse the above statement with me agreeing with special accommodations, i'm just saying the way it is. It's ridiculous to think that anybody is trying to "protect their own", for any other reason than rehabilitation.
BushMasterBoy
10-29-2013, 16:59
What you are saying is ridiculous. He is getting special treatment because he was a cop. Get real! So what prison is he in? You tell me! Are we safe from this guy?
Just answer this, why isn't he on the list? (Answer:Because he is former LEO)
<MADDOG>
10-29-2013, 17:04
I don't see it as much as protecting him as it is protecting the tax-payer.
hurley842002
10-29-2013, 17:08
What you are saying is ridiculous. He is getting special treatment because he was a cop. Get real! So what prison is he in? You tell me! Are we safe from this guy?
Just answer this, why isn't he on the list? (Answer:Because he is former LEO)
Did I say anything disagreeing with your statement?
No, reread my response. You make it out to be some sort of protection because he's a "brother in blue" or some sentimental bond.
It's the state of Colorado's job to protect offenders and rehabilitate them, if being former LEO means they have to make special accommodations, then that's what they will do to get the job done, not because he's "one of their own" or some other BS.
I cannot tell you where the guy is, and you can determine if you feel safe from him or not.
Good article about The Militarization of America's Police Forces from the Cato Institute (http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/catosletter-v11n4.pdf) (pdf).
O2
Yep. An officer pointing a weapon near someone is a safety measure, not a threat.
Wow....
The rules of firearm safety do not ever change. You never point it at something you aren't willing to destroy. That applies to everyone, even cops.
hghclsswhitetrsh
10-29-2013, 17:15
Yep. An officer pointing a weapon near someone is a safety measure, not a threat.
Cool. So is grabbing your pubic, and your wives private areas by the TSA.
BushMasterBoy
10-29-2013, 17:48
The rules and law are different for law enforcement, than for average citizens! So much for equal application of the law, just proves Orwell was right. (Animal Farm)
hurley842002
10-29-2013, 17:49
The rules and law are different for law enforcement, than for average citizens! So much for equal application of the law, just proves Orwell was right. (Animal Farm)
You keep telling yourself that...
OneGuy67
10-29-2013, 17:53
It could be that he has been moved out of state for his protection if he has been handed over to the private prison people.
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Wow....
The rules of firearm safety do not ever change. You never point it at something you aren't willing to destroy. That applies to everyone, even cops.
Who says the cop isn't willing to destroy me? He doesn't know my intentions, especially after 4 other LE were just injured. You can't have total security and absolute freedom at the same time.
Cool. So is grabbing your pubic, and your wives private areas by the TSA.
If you don't like the procedures, then don't fly. No one is forcing you to get on a plane.
Who says the cop isn't willing to destroy me? He doesn't know my intentions, especially after 4 other LE were just injured. You can't have total security and absolute freedom at the same time.
If you don't like the procedures, then don't fly. No one is forcing you to get on a plane.
I'll take total freedom.
newracer
10-29-2013, 19:39
Everyone knows only they are professional enough.
<MADDOG>
10-29-2013, 19:41
Who says the cop isn't willing to destroy me? He doesn't know my intentions, especially after 4 other LE were just injured. You can't have total security and absolute freedom at the same time.
If you don't like the procedures, then don't fly. No one is forcing you to get on a plane.
Thank you coloccw; I do believe you just have shown your true colors...
vectorsc
10-29-2013, 20:12
It's not "doing what he must" that I am criticizing - it's the very likely potential that he didn't "must" that.
And if you are a cop that's pissed off at how people perceive you, then YOU should take that anger out on the assholes who are ensuring that the only interaction you have with decent folk bears a striking resemblance to highway robbery.
Maybe save some of the anger for your those few of your coworkers who are pimps,drug dealers, child rapists, and murderers. These are the people who are ensuring that you will never have anything but a negative balance in your moral high ground account.
BushMasterBoy
10-29-2013, 20:20
You keep telling yourself that...
You keep quoting like you could provoke me...LMAO
Who says the cop isn't willing to destroy me? He doesn't know my intentions, especially after 4 other LE were just injured. You can't have total security and absolute freedom at the same time.
If you don't like the procedures, then don't fly. No one is forcing you to get on a plane.
So you are fine starring down the barrel of a gun that a cop is holding?
You ever see the Cali shootouts or the other numerous videos of police shootouts or even encounters where they have negligent discharges in classrooms or while attempting to hold someone at gunpoint?
If you are okay with that you are a total dumbass. Like I said...the rules of firearms Dont change no matter who it is and how much training they have.
BushMasterBoy
10-29-2013, 20:38
If you are okay with that you are a total dumbass. Like I said...the rules of firearms Dont change no matter who it is and how much training they have.
We have a "winning" statement!
Thank you coloccw; I do believe you just have shown your true colors...
Yep...with just a few posts you have me all figured out. It is ironic that in your profile you quote Patton, "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking." yet when someone disagrees with how you think you resort to insults. I believe it is you who has shown your true colors....or lack thereof rather.
So you are fine starring down the barrel of a gun that a cop is holding?
You ever see the Cali shootouts or the other numerous videos of police shootouts or even encounters where they have negligent discharges in classrooms or while attempting to hold someone at gunpoint?
If you are okay with that you are a total dumbass. Like I said...the rules of firearms Dont change no matter who it is and how much training they have.
...and yet you probably scream "don't judge all gun owners on the actions of a few crazy people" after every active shooter event and every RMGO rally. I'm comfortable with sworn LE pointing a firearm at me, following all safety rules, knowing that I will not be engaged as I am not a threat to them. You're not ok with it, that's fine. Some of us have nothing to hide so it doesn't bother us.
Flame away, I'm out...as I said before, way too much tinfoil in here.
Thank you coloccw; I do believe you just have shown your true colors...
I don't think that coloccw is advocating that he prefers more security to less freedom, he is just relating a cold hard fact.
There is a disconnect between what he is seeing and what others are seeing. Coloccw is perfectly comfortable with someone in the position of a police officer to be holding a rifle in a low ready position while facing coloccw, but the rifle not pointing at him.
What he says about security and freedom is true. The issue arises in that even if the gentleman in the vehicle prefers more freedom than security, he (or any of us) is not in the position to opt out at that moment.
hurley842002
10-29-2013, 21:09
You keep quoting like you could provoke me...LMAO
No clue what you are talking about...
<MADDOG>
10-29-2013, 21:31
Yep...with just a few posts you have me all figured out. It is ironic that in your profile you quote Patton, [COLOR=#111111][FONT=Helvetica]"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking." yet when someone disagrees with how you think you resort to insults. I believe it is you who has shown your true colors....or lack thereof rather
I don't pretend to have anyone figured out. However; by the wording of your posts, you are perfectly content with a police state, which myself, and obviously others on this thread, have a very hard problem with. How else is one to take your comments?
...and yet you probably scream "don't judge all gun owners on the actions of a few crazy people" after every active shooter event and every RMGO rally. I'm comfortable with sworn LE pointing a firearm at me, following all safety rules, knowing that I will not be engaged as I am not a threat to them. You're not ok with it, that's fine. Some of us have nothing to hide so it doesn't bother us.
I am glad you are content with a barrel at your noggin, and you have nothing to hide. There is a reason some of the people on this board distrust LE in both situations, and I am one of them. It goes back to the old adage "trust but verify". Does that make me a NWA member? No. But it doesn't make me drink the "all LE is good" flavor-aid either...
I don't think that coloccw is advocating that he prefers more security to less freedom, he is just relating a cold hard fact.
There is a disconnect between what he is seeing and what others are seeing. Coloccw is perfectly comfortable with someone in the position of a police officer to be holding a rifle in a low ready position while facing coloccw, but the rifle not pointing at him.
What he says about security and freedom is true. The issue arises in that even if the gentleman in the vehicle prefers more freedom than security, he (or any of us) is not in the position to opt out at that moment.
Thank you Irving, and if that is coloccw's attitude, he should convey it.
Lastly, I do not profess to be a "cop basher" by any means (ref: post #77). However, the perception of the public, and some on this board, is that the lines of some LE and the military are beginning to blur...
<MADDOG>
10-29-2013, 21:41
No clue what you are talking about...
You two are crossing streams, but too stubborn to see it...[ROFL2]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyaLZHiJJnE
clublights
10-29-2013, 21:46
3 reasons if I've done nothing wrong I have a problem with having LEO point a weapon at or almost at me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDfNV9bJoSg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUs_6yTcLW4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxWWJaTEdD0
yes in 2 of the 3 they were arresting suspects but ND's happen. and I'd prefer the weapon was not pointed at ME ( or almost at me) when they happen. I avoid this by not doing anything to get an officer to point his weapon at me. but if I'm just driving to work and get caught up in something ( the original premise of the thread) WHY should I just be ok with it when things like in these three videos happens?
BushMasterBoy
10-29-2013, 21:46
Meanwhile in other news... http://www.khq.com/story/19965150/cop-tases-10-year-old-boy-after-refusing-to-clean-his-patrol-car
And it ends like this... http://www.kasa.com/news/local/state-pays-after-child-shot-with-taser
Women delivering newspapers in Torrance shot in manhunt for ex-cop (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html)35727
Woman shot by LAPD during Dorner manhunt still 'scared, panicked (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-dorner-women-shooting-20130724,0,5077433.story)
The LAPD replaced their truck and the city paid them $4.2 million (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/23/local/la-me-ln-women-shot-in-dorner-manhunt-have-mixed-emotions-over-payout-20130423) as part of a settlement.
...and yet you probably scream "don't judge all gun owners on the actions of a few crazy people" after every active shooter event and every RMGO rally. I'm comfortable with sworn LE pointing a firearm at me, following all safety rules, knowing that I will not be engaged as I am not a threat to them. You're not ok with it, that's fine. Some of us have nothing to hide so it doesn't bother us.
Flame away, I'm out...as I said before, way too much tinfoil in here.
Huge disconnect between the hundreds of millions of people out there with no training and no sworn duty and police who took an oath to protect and serve.
I scream out that those people need to be judged for their actions not all gun owners. Just as I am saying this guy needs to be judged for his actions, not all police.
The safety rules state to not aim a firearm at anything you aren't willing to destroy. He broke the rules and you are okay with it. That is the bottom line and the type of thinking that got us to this point. How deep does it go? They cuff everyone coming through and search everyone's car? You have nothing to hide right....
losttrail
10-30-2013, 05:37
Oh yeah, the boogieman terrorists that will get us... As Jmaes Madison new long before we did...
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
There is now a domestic threat that has been created which is anyone who does not bow to the agenda of the current administration.
Personally I worry less about terrorists than gangs. I completed the local "Citizen's Police Academy" earlier this year and while there was discussion/information given regarding terrorism, the larger emphasis was on drug trafficing and gang activity. When you see some of the weaponry that drug cartels and gangs have and use, it helps understand why local PD's need to up-armor. To a point.
losttrail
10-30-2013, 05:51
For myself, if someone, anyone, points a weapon at me, they are a threat to me. I don't care if they have a uniform, shiny badges, official patches, etc. If I am obeying the law, cooperating with their requests/commands and not being threatening or confrontational, there is NO reason for a weapon to be pointed at me. Pointing the weapon at low ready near me, fine, especially if there has been some recent activity that has them on 'high alert'.
Now if I perform some act that is threatening, fine point the weapon at me since I deserve it.
But even if I refuse to comply with requests/commands, as long as I am being polite and non-threatening, there is NO reason to have a weapon pointed in my face.
BTW - Police officers are human therefore fallible and capable of making a mistake just like any of us. We have seen more than enough examples of law enforcement officers making mistakes, bad judgement calls or just plain being tools, that result in injury or death of innocent people. Also, firearms are mechanical devices capable of mechanical failure, that are manufactured, assembled and maintained by said fallible humans. The only guarantee of not shooting an innocent person is to not point a weapon at them. As my mom taught me about shooting starting at age 2, "Don't point a gun at anything you don't plan on killing".
Women delivering newspapers in Torrance shot in manhunt for ex-cop (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html)
35727
Woman shot by LAPD during Dorner manhunt still 'scared, panicked (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-dorner-women-shooting-20130724,0,5077433.story)
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That's insane. Even more insane is how many officers nationwide would agree with doing the same thing. Pack mentality at its worst. Like wolves attacking a sheep, or a gang of Hells Angels all stomping the shit out of one guy for some mistakenly perceived insult or slight. "All on one, one on all". The smell of blood in the water.
The rules and law are different for law enforcement, than for average citizens! So much for equal application of the law, just proves Orwell was right. (Animal Farm)
Actually there are rules and laws that are different for LE. Have you read up on Title 42? 42-4-108 gives LE and other emergency vehicles special permissions. Use of certain types of force are allowed to LE to affect an arrest. It's not Orwellian or sinister- it's due to the nature of the job. It's not about equal application of the law- as LE does have to follow all laws, there are just exceptions due to the permissions we give to those who enforce the law. Don't look at it as the bad thing you think- we grant those who swore to protect, serve, and enforce our laws special permissions to effectively do their job... Or we could just follow the French and start lopping heads off, if you prefer...
vectorsc
10-30-2013, 08:34
The analogy of equal force of law for those who enforce it is flawed. A better analogy is that when a police officer decides to taze himself the outcome is similar to when they taze a suspect...but then again why would you ever taze yourself?
And if you feel the need to defend against this version of the analogy, good - so long as your deeds match your words. In fact, if you want to sit down to a beer sometime and talk about that time you shot a fellow officer when you came around the corner and found him raping that chick I buy ya a round. Provided you don't have to stick a gun in my mouth to feel safe.
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The analogy of equal force of law for those who enforce it is flawed. A better analogy is that when a police officer decides to taze himself the outcome is similar to when they taze a suspect...but then again why would you ever taze yourself?
And if you feel the need to defend against this version of the analogy, good - so long as your deeds match your words. In fact, if you want to sit down to a beer sometime and talk about that time you shot a fellow officer when you came around the corner and found him raping that chick I buy ya a round. Provided you don't have to stick a gun in my mouth to feel safe.
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lpgasman
10-30-2013, 11:51
Women delivering newspapers in Torrance shot in manhunt for ex-cop (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html)35727
Woman shot by LAPD during Dorner manhunt still 'scared, panicked (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-dorner-women-shooting-20130724,0,5077433.story)[/FONT][/COLOR]
So when you see a vehicle matching the description of a purp, you just unload your weapons into it? WOW!!
There were alot of cops involved, or someone reloaded a couple of times.
So when you see a vehicle matching the description of a purp, you just unload your weapons into it? WOW!!
There were alot of cops involved, or someone reloaded a couple of times.
It didn't even match. Wrong color and make/model. Shoot first, identify second.
Those houses you see in the distance? Yeah, those got peppered too.
centrarchidae
10-30-2013, 12:51
I'm still trying to figure out how you haven't seen LE uniforms with US flags on them. San Diego County for one has a colored US flag on the shoulder. I've yet to see a single police uniform with their respective state's flag.
Anywho, I tend to agree with the sentiment that everyone is a critic. I have a buddy who constantly posts all the bad stories about cops on Facebook- when he knows what I'm training to do with my life- yet he still claims he's not a cop basher... but he still posts the stories. Wouldn't it be better if he actually tried to find the good that LE does every day? Oh wait, the MSM doesn't report on the daily good that LE does, they like to focus on the bad.
Chicago PD wears the city flag (four red stars between two blue stripes, symbolizing the two rivers flowing. As through the city, on white field) on one shoulder, and a department patch on the other. I've seen lots of state seals, but no state flags, on shoulders.
As for everybody being a critic...anybody who needs to be liked should consider becoming a kitten-from-tree rescuer instead. Being the police guarantees that damn near nobody will ever like you, no matter how smart or honest you are. It's just the nature of the business.
lpgasman
10-30-2013, 13:45
It didn't even match. Wrong color and make/model. Shoot first, identify second.
Those houses you see in the distance? Yeah, those got peppered too.
I didn't even think about the houses. Talk about a rude awakening. Did you notice the tires are flat also? Tactical response, or bad shots?
It didn't even match. Wrong color and make/model. Shoot first, identify second.
Those houses you see in the distance? Yeah, those got peppered too.
Let's see, we're looking for a big black male in a Nissan car, and we have two Hispanic females in a Toyota pickup? Close enough, light 'em up!
Yeah, they were justified. Biggest mistake in that incident was the women settling for only $4.2 million.
clublights
10-30-2013, 14:17
Let's see, we're looking for a big black male in a Nissan car, and we have two Hispanic females in a Toyota pickup? Close enough, light 'em up!
Yeah, they were justified. Biggest mistake in that incident was the women settling for only $4.2 million.
well it WAS a Pick-up they were looking for… at least they got THAT part right….
DavieD55
10-30-2013, 16:19
Personally I worry less about terrorists than gangs. I completed the local "Citizen's Police Academy" earlier this year and while there was discussion/information given regarding terrorism, the larger emphasis was on drug trafficing and gang activity. When you see some of the weaponry that drug cartels and gangs have and use, it helps understand why local PD's need to up-armor. To a point.
Right, but it doesn't help when our borders are wide open. Also, when the military equipment is used against the people in order to lock down entire cities like Boston was recently, there is a problem with that and a clear sign that it is out of control. especially When the gov starts labling citizens and vets as terrorists which is a big red flag indication of how it could be used on the American people... It is getting way out of hand, has been for some time now.
lowbeyond
10-31-2013, 20:45
Thank you for being the prime example of my point. You have no idea what that officer is doing and yet you want to criticize him, ignorantly, for doing what he must. Ignorance must truly be bliss...
Actually I was criticizing you for trotting out the standard talking points.
But the again if you really think cops protect people when they are sleeping, well that's a lot of kool-aid. If that was really the case well no one needs guns because the cops will protect you.
Uh huh sure.
Talk about ignorance is bliss
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