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Ha. Heard them talking to a guy buying Colorado-legal pot yesterday. He said he was "feeling energized and motivated".
I think he bought some defective stuff and should ask for a refund.
You'd be surprised what the different strains do, especially when you are talking to people who don't just smoke a whole bowl and veg.
Yep, Irving is correct, different kinds can do different things, but also different people can experience different highs from the same stand. Some sativas can be the complete opposite of what people think weed does to folks. Still, there are going to be some bad complications from this new law, yesterday saw more out of state people buying than in-state at a couple stores. I'm gonna bet the feds will step in soon, as I anticipate this getting out of hand.
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BuffCyclist
01-02-2014, 09:14
Yep, Irving is correct, different kinds can do different things, but also different people can experience different highs from the same stand. Some sativas can be the complete opposite of what people think weed does to folks. Still, there are going to be some bad complications from this new law, yesterday saw more out of state people buying than in-state at a couple stores. I'm gonna bet the feds will step in soon, as I anticipate this getting out of hand.
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First comment, how many stores did YOU go to? [LOL]
But seriously, is that really such a bad thing? It will bring people to Colorado, who will likely spend money elsewhere as well, boosting the tourism industry. How is it different from people going to Amsterdam and getting stoned for a week on end, then reluctantly going home?
I'm a little torn on the entire thing. I can see how it can honestly be a good thing (increasing tourism, taxes, fast food industry), but at the same time when its legal, more people will smoke it in public, right? I have no desire to smoke weed, and even now that its legal up there, I see no reason to smoke it. But what other people do is not my business, until that smoke starts wafting into my house.
I thought the stores had to see an ID to make sure they were only selling to Colorado residents?
There are already reports of people with family members that suffer from seizures moving here. NPR had a guy in Pueblo who has only been here a few months. He came from Idaho and said he moved here as soon as it was legalized. He basically said it was all about freedom and he moved here to be free. I laughed when they played that part.
SuperiorDG
01-02-2014, 09:34
Yep, Irving is correct, different kinds can do different things, but also different people can experience different highs from the same stand. Some sativas can be the complete opposite of what people think weed does to folks. Still, there are going to be some bad complications from this new law, yesterday saw more out of state people buying than in-state at a couple stores. I'm gonna bet the feds will step in soon, as I anticipate this getting out of hand.
Sent from my evil, black smartphone.
The very small amount bought by out of state people is like a drop in the ocean when compared to the amount brought in by gangs and traffickers. But, yea I can see them making a big deal out of it. Just like they do with "mass-shootings".
I thought the stores had to see an ID to make sure they were only selling to Colorado residents?
Out of state can purchase 1/4oz.
The stores however do not keep track of who buys what. The limit for purchase is only for that store, that transaction.
So really there is no limit.
Jim... No fucking clue.
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StagLefty
01-02-2014, 09:35
Heard this morning that sales were about a million bucks yesterday. I didn't know that these were cash only sales ? I'd guess that everyone of these stores are going to have to have some type of armed guards present .
Somehow I quoted myself while trying to edit. Disregard
1/4 ounce to out of state people but can not leave the state with it. 1 ounce to residents.
and since I have ZERO EXPERIENCE can some one put that into perspective for me? how many average joints is a 1/4 ounce? or how many times can you get high from that much?
Back in the days (roughly 20 years ago) when I did smoke occasionally in a far and distant land you mostly bought 1/4 ounce baggies. As a recreational user you would actually use a "one hitter" rather than smoke a "joint". A 1/4 ounce bag will keep a recreational/occasional user supplied for a while. It would takes me weeks just taking an occasional hit to go through a bag. I had friends that could easily go through one in a day though.
how long is a while? how many times a day for how many days.? I see all these numbers and prices on the news stations and cragislist, but I really cant figure out how it translates.
The answer to your question is very complex with a lot of variables.
BuffCyclist
01-02-2014, 09:55
The answer to your question is very complex with a lot of variables.
Like how many shots can you get from a 750ml bottle of tequila?
How long will a case of beer last? Don't know, do you like to just have an occasional beer after work once or twice a week or do you have 2 for dinner and 2 more before you hit the sack on a daily basis?
Pot is the same.. Do you just want to take a "one hitter" on the occasional day after work when you just want to relax or do you wake up in the morning on a daily basis and smoke an entire bowl before you even hit the shower?
How many joints in a bag? Who knows, how big do you make them? How many bowls in a bag? How big is your bowl and how tight do you pack it? It's 1/4 ounce, could be good clean weed or it could be full of stems and seeds which is mostly filler material.
A 1/4 ounce bag would last me for several weeks but as I said above I knew people that could easily go through one in a day.
BTW, a "one hitter" is a small tube similar in shape and size to a cigarette with a hallowed out end. You chop up your weed and then pack it into the end of the one hitter, this creates a wad of pot that is probably slightly smaller then a pea. You hold a lighter up to it and suck in. Sometimes you can get it all in one drag, sometimes it takes two, depends on how tight you packed it and so on. Maybe you just do one or two of these, that would be enough to get me feeling it and relax a bit. I could never smoke an entire bowl or joint by myself, I would have had to spend the rest of the day on the couch.
Like how many shots can you get from a 750ml bottle of tequila?
Not even close..
Like how many shots can you get from a 750ml bottle of tequila?
More like what are the chances of getting her home after x shots of tequila?
Typically you see about .3 grams in a bowl. Which is good for 5-15 hits depending on the smoker. Vary the size of the bowl and that messes with things. Experienced heavy users will take bigger hits. The potency of the weed determines how high they get. The type of pipe changes how they smoke it. If they smoke it at all. I knew a guy who mixed it with chew.
A 1/4 can last some days or hours expending on usage.
Then there's hash oil. Edibles. Tincture. Butter etc
-what does an ounce of pot look like in terms of physical size? would it fit in a ramen noodle bag? would it fit in a 12oz soda can? I hear the term "ounce" used rather frequently when discussing marijuana but have no idea if that's a garbage bag of the stuff, or if it's a rather small container in terms of size.
BuffCyclist
01-02-2014, 10:19
Someone needs to change this thread title to "Weed 101" [LOL]
I see guys on craigslist trading motorcycles, cars, etc for it.
Sweet. I'm in the market for a dirt bike. Maybe I could buy $200 worth of pot and trade it for a dirt bike. Some poor bastard that has a dirt bike but no money for pot might jump on a trade.
Great-Kazoo
01-02-2014, 10:23
I see guys on craigslist trading motorcycles, cars, etc for it. so, I am trying to put that into perspective. beer is a bad example, because you can quantify that. 12 pack of beer 12oz cans. you could have two a night for 6 nights, 12 for 1 night etc. I was just trying to figure out basically what one joint costs and how many times a day a typical person would smoke one. not someone who does it all day. is this something most people just do in the evening to wind down?
Divide the cost of an Oz [someone said on tv it was $400] in to grams. 28grms = 1oz. Depending how the consumer rolls or bowls it. lg joint to impress at parties, or personal. bowl or bong, 1hitter or share the wealth. Sat the average joint is .2 grams (as an example) that gives 140 joints per oz. that person is paying $1.40 per joint. Since it's now a 7-11 type scenario, the prices will drop to say $250-300 per Z for competition. When the revenue stream / Taxes are counter per quarter, the cities where it is being sold will double their permits. Up here the citizens stormed the castle and voted it out of town, after med mj was ok'd. The town said the 3 (yes 3) lic shops were generating $75K per quarter. Denver will probably see $1 - 2mil the first 1/4 of 2014.
How long will an ounce last?.....not long enough! ;)
Denver will be like Tony Montana.
Great-Kazoo
01-02-2014, 10:29
-what does an ounce of pot look like in terms of physical size? would it fit in a ramen noodle bag? would it fit in a 12oz soda can? I hear the term "ounce" used rather frequently when discussing marijuana but have no idea if that's a garbage bag of the stuff, or if it's a rather small container in terms of size.
An oz is an Ounce of weed. Take some oregano or basil toss it on your reloading scale. Zero the scale, add till you come to 28grams / 1oz. Sandwich bag's in the late 60's & 70's was 4 fingers for $20.
No Stems, No Seeds Acapulco Gold is bad ass weed.
1lb can fit in to a 14oz soup can if compressed correctly.
Kilo = 2.2lbs
Cheech & Chong were 45 years ahead of the times.
Great-Kazoo
01-02-2014, 10:30
How long will an ounce last?.....not long enough! ;)
Denver will be like Tony Montana.
That's like saying armed teachers will cause a blood bath in schools. Ignorance is dangerous.
battle_sight_zero
01-02-2014, 10:31
First comment, how many stores did YOU go to? [LOL]
But seriously, is that really such a bad thing? It will bring people to Colorado, who will likely spend money elsewhere as well, boosting the tourism industry. How is it different from people going to Amsterdam and getting stoned for a week on end, then reluctantly going home?
I'm a little torn on the entire thing. I can see how it can honestly be a good thing (increasing tourism, taxes, fast food industry), but at the same time when its legal, more people will smoke it in public, right? I have no desire to smoke weed, and even now that its legal up there, I see no reason to smoke it. But what other people do is not my business, until that smoke starts wafting into my house.
Listening to KOA yesterday they had interviewed a man in one of the lines who flew from out of state. This man was so happy to inform the reporter that he would be moving to Colorado now. My concern is that this marijuana culture is going to change our political landscape to a San Francisco style one. As for my experience most pot heads are die hard on the left of political spectrum. As a 5th generation native I dont want pot heads here and I am sick of the people moving from other states here who are destroying my beliefs and freedom s.
Was a joke. Think white tigers on the city steps.
StagLefty
01-02-2014, 10:42
An oz is an Ounce of weed. Take some oregano or basil toss it on your reloading scale. Zero the scale, add till you come to 28grams / 1oz. Sandwich bag's in the late 60's & 70's was 4 fingers for $20.
No Stems, No Seeds Acapulco Gold is bad ass weed.
1lb can fit in to a 14oz soup can if compressed correctly.
Kilo = 2.2lbs
Cheech & Chong were 45 years ahead of the times.
I haven't heard that term in about 50 years [ROFL2]
Welcome to Colorado....
Personally, those days are long behind me and I'd prefer they stayed there.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/funnies/Weed.jpg
Great-Kazoo
01-02-2014, 10:49
I haven't heard that term in about 50 years [ROFL2]
Hey Sgt. Stedenko, you just wake up ? Don't forget it was AC and Colombian that "everyone" said was the newest thing and was better than that mexican crap being smuggled in.
Here's one more Blast from the past, 'Paraquat'
BuffCyclist
01-02-2014, 10:49
Listening to KOA yesterday they had interviewed a man in one of the lines who flew from out of state. This man was so happy to inform the reporter that he would be moving to Colorado now. My concern is that this marijuana culture is going to change our political landscape to a San Francisco style one. As for my experience most pot heads are die hard on the left of political spectrum. As a 5th generation native I dont want pot heads here and I am sick of the people moving from other states here who are destroying my beliefs and freedom s.
Meh, you can no longer buy a gun out of someones trunk, but you can walk into a shop and walk out with a bag o' weed (a bag o weed, a bag o weed, everything is better with a bag o weed... name that tune!). I'd say the wrong people have already moved in from other states and destroyed your beliefs and freedoms. :/
jhirsh5280
01-02-2014, 10:51
Hooray recreational drug use! [facepalm]
Great-Kazoo
01-02-2014, 10:52
Meh, you can no longer buy a gun out of someones trunk, but you can walk into a shop and walk out with a bag o' weed (a bag o weed, a bag o weed, everything is better with a bag o weed... name that tune!). I'd say the wrong people have already moved in from other states and destroyed your beliefs and freedoms. :/
Correct.
Fight Liberalism, The Gateway Drug
BPTactical
01-02-2014, 10:56
Like I said before:
My Native State-
Suck a bong, your a cool kid.
Suck a dick, your a cool kid.
Suck a bong and a dick, your a waaay cool kid.
Own a firearm you are a heathen scum of the earth.
I loath my native state.
Like I said before:
My Native State-
Suck a bong, your a cool kid.
Suck a dick, your a cool kid.
Suck a bong and a dick, your a waaay cool kid.
Own a firearm you are a heathen scum of the earth.
I loath my native state.
Lol. Try living in Hawaii. Trust me Colorado is much better.
BPTactical
01-02-2014, 11:12
Lol. Try living in Hawaii. Trust me Colorado is much better.
Sure Brah.....so many suntans yet so much ice in a tropical paradise.
RblDiver
01-02-2014, 11:12
Divide the cost of an Oz [someone said on tv it was $400] in to grams. 28grms = 1oz. Depending how the consumer rolls or bowls it. lg joint to impress at parties, or personal. bowl or bong, 1hitter or share the wealth. Sat the average joint is .2 grams (as an example) that gives 140 joints per oz. that person is paying $1.40 per joint. Since it's now a 7-11 type scenario, the prices will drop to say $250-300 per Z for competition. When the revenue stream / Taxes are counter per quarter, the cities where it is being sold will double their permits. Up here the citizens stormed the castle and voted it out of town, after med mj was ok'd. The town said the 3 (yes 3) lic shops were generating $75K per quarter. Denver will probably see $1 - 2mil the first 1/4 of 2014.
Thanks for putting it in perspective. I had no idea how much one smoked at once. Heck, I was under the mindset that the 1/4 Oz was essentially one joint. Shows how much I don't use! lol
Sure Brah.....so many suntans yet so much ice in a tropical paradise.
Yes that, but try get a ccw permit in Hawaii. To transfer a firearm I basically got what someone here gets for ccw. Picture, prints, waiting period.
I'm sort of excited to see how this new pot legislation works.
Well the only positive thing I can see is this will lead to national legalization within half a decade. Once the dike starts to break, its hard to hold back. Esp on such an asinine issue as prohibition. It has been a black stain on the conservative movement that they ever supported big government federal prohibition of pot. So the more we settle these dumb issues, the better.
Now hopefully we can get that law passed that allows pot users to buy guns and then start bringing some "never ever fired a gun" to the range to get them hooked. [Beer]
BPTactical
01-02-2014, 11:40
Now hopefully we can get that law passed that allows pot users to buy guns and then start bringing some "never ever fired a gun" to the range to get them hooked. [Beer]
Hey man, hold my Doritos, it's my turn to shoot the gun dude. BOOM! Far out man, that was kewl....
Just what I want, a bunch of stoners in the lane next to me..
SideShow Bob
01-02-2014, 11:59
Now hopefully we can get that law passed that allows pot users to buy guns and then start bringing some "never ever fired a gun" to the range to get them hooked. [Beer]
Yeah sure, and watch the number of NDs And "accidental shootings" skyrocket, then we get more sensible gun laws to protect the stoners from themselves and we all suffer from them.
Hey man, hold my Doritos, it's my turn to shoot the gun dude. BOOM! Far out man, that was kewl....
Just what I want, a bunch of stoners in the lane next to me..
That's essentially the same as assuming everyone at the range is also drunk because the drinking age and the FFL firearm purchase age is the same.
I think many people are only exposed to the negative side of pot. My girlfriend could not function in life without it. The pain she endures from a back injury puts her in tears. Pot helps her function and I would rather people use that than codone or other heavy garbage. Now I am not advocating getting high while shooting. I am just saying that all peaceful Americans deserve to have 2nd Amendment rights free of gov intrusion.
Jeffrey Lebowski
01-02-2014, 12:07
Someone needs to change this thread title to "Weed 101" [LOL]
[Coffee]
Great-Kazoo
01-02-2014, 12:54
That's essentially the same as assuming everyone at the range is also drunk because the drinking age and the FFL firearm purchase age is the same.
^This^
Trot Screw you!!! NO REALLY
I hope you never have to deal with that sort of pain, because its real, its debilitating.
Has anyone heard anything about Washington? Didn't they also legalize at the same time?
Trot go FUCK YOURSELF!!! NO REALLY
I hope you never have to deal with that sort of pain, because its real, its debilitating.
His response was rude and completely out of character, but don't get yourself banned over it.
RblDiver
01-02-2014, 13:18
Has anyone heard anything about Washington? Didn't they also legalize at the same time?
Yeah, but I think theirs doesn't take effect until July iirc.
Great-Kazoo
01-02-2014, 13:20
While i do not agree with NYNCO 99.99% of the time. His response was a tad out of line .
I will say mmj has helped some folks who could not function with certain pain levels, OR after chemo. I know 2 folks who did chemo and were vehemently opposed to marijuana , for anything. Till they had been undergoing treatments for a few months. Their opinion and stance changed overnight. Do they condone "casual" use, not at all. Do they support it for LEGIT medical use, yes.
What would you rather see If there was a choice. Continued use of oxycotin or mmj for pain ?
SuperiorDG
01-02-2014, 13:20
Trot go FUCK YOURSELF!!! NO REALLY
I hope you never have to deal with that sort of pain, because its real, its debilitating.
[Pop]
For the record, I know a few people that function very well even though they smoke weed. Sure, I would refuse to work with someone that is high, but what they do outside of work-time is their business. Wow, does this make me a Libertarian?
hghclsswhitetrsh
01-02-2014, 13:20
In before nynco gets a spanking.
68Charger
01-02-2014, 13:24
Trot Screw you!!! NO REALLY
I hope you never have to deal with that sort of pain, because its real, its debilitating.
And there is NO other treatment for the pain? what is the cause of the pain, maybe that could be treated?
Sometimes I tire of the "I have pain, I MUST HAVE MMJ!" mentality. I generally don't have any issue with what someone puts into their body- but sooner or later, they're going to start expecting me to pay for THEIR drug use (in one way or another- e.g. somebody on pot does something stoopid with a firearm, and then the state takes more rights away from me, even if I don't touch the stuff.)
Besides, medical reasons are no longer on the table- you can go get some now, nynco- don't have to limit it to people with pain.
Ok. You ass monkeys are starting to get out of hand.
I made a post about finding it funny that a pot head commented on how motivated he was and some of you chose to use this for your own personal soap box.
Fuck you guys.
I hope a mod locks this soon.
BREATHER
01-02-2014, 13:26
This all well and good(sarcasm).... It has NOTHING to do about freedom... It is a ploy by the fucking left to get votes for the Demcrapic Party Agenda. You have a bunch of retards that never voted before but are now voting cuz they can get high legally. Let's then talk about where the money to buy pot is coming from. Emperically, I would guess that more than half the buyers are on welfare of one sort or another. I have seen shitheads that have kids but no pot to piss in, spending government entitlements on weed. Not to mention all the other shit out there.
Of course she is. Your young adult girlfriend has "back pain" and "needs marijuana". Just like the other million people with MMJ cards. I for one, totally believe you. I'd be proud to have you and your girlfriend next to me at the shooting range, stoned out of your mind to the point you can't find the safety. Makes me breath deep and inhale the aroma.... That smell, my friends, is 'Merica.
You think people haven't gone to the range stoned already? I'm not condoning it but I'm sure its happened already. Does it make it smart? No, not in my opinion.
She is under constant pain and returns home from work most days in tears because of it. So yeah I take offense when someones thinks its a funny laughing matter to make fun of a persons medical condition.
She has nerve damage and muscle spasms. Some days are better than others and some days are far worse than a nightmare. Why in the heck a naturally occurring plant is banned from consumption by legal adult age people is a perfect example of what is wrong with this country and the hypocrisy of those who espouse freedom out of one side of their mouth while banning pot from the other.
You can't have it both ways
Jeffrey Lebowski
01-02-2014, 13:32
I will say mmj has helped some folks who could not function with certain pain levels, OR after chemo. I know 2 folks who did chemo and were vehemently opposed to marijuana , for anything. Till they had been undergoing treatments for a few months. Their opinion and stance changed overnight. Do they condone "casual" use, not at all. Do they support it for LEGIT medical use, yes.
My particular cancer (HL) wasn't particularly painful, but the chemo was a b!tc#. One of many things I learned was that I won't judge folks who want to use MJ during cancer. $0.02 I didn't ever need it, but I could easily see how you could.
Do I condone casual use as a survivor & former pharmacist? I don't particularly care what you do in your free time.
What would you rather see If there was a choice. Continued use of oxycotin or mmj for pain ?
Either, depending.
I'd be proud to have you and your girlfriend next to me at the shooting range, stoned out of your mind to the point you can't find the safety.
I guess it's safe to assume that everyone over the age of 21 at the range is also drunk, right? Since they're over 21, can legally buy alcohol, they obviously are drunk 24/7. We should probably make every gun owner get a special designation on their ID that prohibits them from purchasing alcohol. Just to be safe...
Calm down Ray, we're all joking too.
Come on, Trot. They don't all have back pain. Some if them have glaucoma.
[Coffee]
Calm down Ray, we're all joking too.
Sorry.
(ass monkey)
[Coffee]
Great-Kazoo
01-02-2014, 15:28
Lol. To point something out, "New YorkCOlorado", I didn't say your girlfriend didn't have back pain, I said she had back pain as do all the other million plus MMJ holders.
Anyone claim that's incorrect? I haven't seen a MMJ holder that doesn't claim to have back pain and you had the factories pumping those cards out. What an abuse of the system.
Weed has been recreationally legal here for a long time. And ever since, the State has gone into the political shit hole with transplants from New York to COlorado, and California to COlorado, etc. What's the new news?
And yes, if questioned about the legitimacy of their "pain" just all of them will display about the same reaction.
Who knows, maybe your girlfriend has some pain. I can't say for sure. Sorry though, I won't take a MMJ's card holders word for it.
Nor will I ever hire someone with one, sell to someone with one.
Sorry to insult your political beliefs, "New York, COlorado". Perhaps you should sober up and you'd be less pissy.
Or perhaps stop trying to force your transplanted bullshit on the natives 24/7.
Perhaps you haven't seen the negative effects, Nyco? I won't try to explain it though, I don't have the time to buy doritos and repeat myself.
IMO your reply to nynco came off snarky, if not condensing, to say the least.
Of alcohol many times. of drug abuse likewise. However what someone chooses to do , PROVIDING it does not have an adverse effect at work, in the vehicle or my personal space. Who cares. The same argument you're making is the same vitriol, anti-gun folks run off when quoting stats on gun violence.
It comes down to Personal Responsibility.
My concern is that this marijuana culture is going to change our political landscape to a San Francisco style one. As for my experience most pot heads are die hard on the left of political spectrum.
I believe that you are correct in your assertion. Nonetheless we should also accept the fact that there were already a great number of of these dyed in the wool Liberals in Colorado to begin with. These political changes are neither new nor surprising; just a culmination of a long and steady societal decline.
One of the many reasons young people are turning away from conservatism is issues like this. The hypocrisy of claiming to be about freedom, personal responsibility, how we should respect the 2nd Amendment and others.... then jailing people for smoking a weed that causes no person any real harm. Same thing with gay rights issues. Well, you want to now why you are on the defensive, because you are locked into a hypocritical way of thinking. Sadly neither party is worth a damn. You want to preserve your 2nd Amendment rights well stop alienating people with the hypocrisy on other issues.
Jumpstart
01-02-2014, 15:43
Actually the left has alienated me. Pretending to be" liberal" but in all actuality, more fascist than conservatives.
Agreed for many things. Both sides are fascists in different respects. No one in this nation is served well by this two party dictarshit other than the people who buy both sides and then use the social issues to pit us against each other. Instant Run Off Voting is a solution to that.
You don't seem to get it. You can't claim to be for less gov and then be for prohibition. You can't be for less gov and then be for laws from big government that attack gay people. Young people see it as hypocrisy. So either you learn to look at things the way they really are and stop with the advocating of BIG GOVERNMENT oppression from the right, or you will continue to lose more to the Dems.
Young people don't care when old men cry wolf about socialism. They laugh at you.
Both sides are for big government just different types. But the right wing claims to be not for it and the hypocrisy is killing them. Either evolve or die off... that is your choice.
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 16:09
I get migraines that send me to the hospital. They totally blind me. They cause my head to pound for days and make my stomach hurt for up to a week.
Oh, they make me have tears too.
The thought of using weed has never crossed my mind.
Maybe I'm just a different class of person.
Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.
But seriously, is that really such a bad thing? It will bring people to Colorado...
Yeah, the Liberal, douchenheimer morons who think we should all turn in our guns and throw fairy dust and unicorn vaginas at criminals. Those are just the people I want flocking to Colorado. [hahhah-no]
Jeffrey Lebowski
01-02-2014, 16:19
I'm going to wager that the foundation of your political belief will be the death of this nation, long before either three issues you cite (guns, gays, weed) is resolved one way or other other. (Fiscally, our country is doomed)
Yes.
You don't seem to get it. You can't claim to be for less gov and then be for prohibition. You can't be for less gov and then be for laws from big government that attack gay people.
Being a society of laws has nothing to do with the size of government. (Edit: And I don't care what you smoke or who you fawk). Seriously, focus your thoughts. You are all over the map today.
It really is a flight of ideas, clinically speaking.
NYNCO, you're missing what Foxtrot is saying. He is describing a political maneuver that is more subtle than how it appears on the surface. I don't know that I agree with the maneuver, but suffice it to say that there are more ways to wage political warfare than just marching straight forward.
I get migraines that send me to the hospital. They totally blind me. They cause my head to pound for days and make my stomach hurt for up to a week.
Oh, they make me have tears too.
The thought of using weed has never crossed my mind.
Maybe I'm just a different class of person.
Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.
Honestly, I don't care for smoking weed to get high. I have no use for anything that makes me veg. I do get migraines and the time when I had one real bad and tried a little pot, well it helped instantly. I can count on one hand the amount of times I have puffed up in a decade too.
Great-Kazoo
01-02-2014, 16:24
NYNCO, you're missing what Foxtrot is saying. He is describing a political maneuver that is more subtle than how it appears on the surface. I don't know that I agree with the maneuver, but suffice it to say that there are more ways to wage political warfare than just marching straight forward.
Like buying votes, which is what this amendment is partially about.
You can see how it's being handled across the D' side of the aisle. There's a lot of behind the scene out of state D & L cash being used for this . I don't doubt that "money" will be funding any L leaning bill that someone from OOS brings to the table.
NYNCO, you're missing what Foxtrot is saying. He is describing a political maneuver that is more subtle than how it appears on the surface. I don't know that I agree with the maneuver, but suffice it to say that there are more ways to wage political warfare than just marching straight forward.
Irving, I get exactly what he is saying and the reason why that is true is because of the hypocrisy of the right on issues like this. They should be the ones at the front calling for an end to BIG GOVERNMENT prohibition. But they are the ones using BIG GOVERNMENT against pot. So no young kid will listen to the boy/party who cries wolf.
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 16:27
Honestly, I don't care for smoking weed to get high. I have no use for anything that makes me veg. I do get migraines and the time when I had one real bad and tried a little pot, well it helped instantly. I can count on one hand the amount of times I have puffed up in a decade too.
Congratulations. I'm glad an illegal act gave you relief from the pain.
It seems pretty obvious that you don't care for your job as much as I do since I would be fired for using any illegal substance.
Then again, my job involves making life and death decisions. Your toughest task is probably not stapling your finger....
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I should probably not be posting when I'm this sick lol. I'm much more crotchity.
You're sick? Maybe you should get a prescription for some of that MMJ. [hahhah-no]
And fiscally our country was doomed the second the unconstitutional FED was created. Please don't cry to me about irresponsible spending and federal budgets when BOTH sides are racking up debt faster than a drunk sailor with a credit card on port leave. Listening to Dick Cheney around the time we went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan claiming deficits don't matter while they cut taxes and went to war tells you all you need to know. If you cared about that, well you would start fighting for election reform first because both sides have a death wish in relation to the deficit.
Congratulations. I'm glad an illegal act gave you relief from the pain.
It seems pretty obvious that you don't care for your job as much as I do since I would be fired for using any illegal substance.
Then again, my job involves making life and death decisions. Your toughest task is probably not stapling your finger....
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When you are done being blinded by your condescension and blind hate... get back to me and tell me how migraine medication leaves you thinking clear. But hey, don't let common sense get in the way of a good lock step mind process.
Great-Kazoo
01-02-2014, 16:34
I should probably not be posting when I'm this sick lol. I'm much more crotchity.
It's never slowed me down.
RblDiver
01-02-2014, 16:36
I voted for the amendment legalizing it because I disagreed with the prohibition-style of it.
Doesn't mean I have any desire to use, nor do I approve of those who do. I indeed agree that it'll probably bring a bunch of libs who'll continue to trash the state (one reason I really wish more had joined the Northern Colorado initiative). I also agree that a bunch of people who got "medical" cards likely abused the system (I recall a story from CA about a pierside doc who'd prescribe marijuana to anyone who came in and complained about any sort of pain, and stories from CO about teenagers who got their cards).
So just because I want to reduce the size of government, doesn't mean I have to like all of the results.
It's never slowed me down.
Not much ever has. Has it Jim? [Coffee]
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 16:37
When you are done being blinded by your condescension and blind hate... get back to me and tell me how migraine medication leaves you thinking clear. But hey, don't let common sense get in the way of a good lock step mind process.
I don't hate anyone blindly. I have a perfectly good reason for hating the people I hate.
That said, my hate list is very short. And you're not on it. I wouldn't wanna waste the space.
Now.. Migraine medication. Never used it. Matter of fact, I've never even seen a doctor about my migraines aside from the times I've gone to the ER after 10 hours of pain.
Ibuprofen, Aleve, and Alka Seltzer. The magical cocktail of over the counter medication that seems to work the best.
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Yeah, I guess your right New York COlorado. I should start toking weed and join the pink pistols and start humping guys to attract more liberals here.
I'd sure hate to offend liberals! I sure wouldn't want them to think Colorado is unfriendly to liberals! I sure don't want them thinking I'm NOT a liberal!
Sounds logical to me.
You are the one advocating government oppression. Since MMJ we've lost significant rights and freedoms in this State, and that continues on.
HB 1228, HB 1229, etc. Oh, I'm sorry, you advocate and kind of support pretty much all of that. But don't touch your weed!
You didn't have that in New York, so you moved here and brought your politics with you.
Everyone here is a (insert hick/republican/right wing/neofacists/nazi/communist pig/police state/big government supporter) because they don't agree with you.
Your just too damn high all the time. All you see is weed. Weed, weed weed.
Perhaps if stoners like yourself had more gyri, resulting in perhaps, a little more "depth" to realize motivations and cause and effect, you wouldn't be despised by people like me...
Instead, you come across as a smooth brained zombie.
Go ahead, call me a facist neo nazi RACIST blah blah blah because you can't come up with substance.
Trot you certainly don't know me one bit. But hey... build up the strawman.
So far no one can give a rational reason that makes sense to the majority of Americans esp the younger generation why BIG GOVERMENT prohibition is good. You can't claim to be for personal responsibility and that at the same time.
Now.. Migraine medication. Never used it. Matter of fact, I've never even seen a doctor about my migraines aside from the times I've gone to the ER after 10 hours of pain.
Do you think you would do any harm to another person if you toked up MJ in your house to end your migrain? Trust me, the migraine meds and a migraine itself will not leave your head clear either. So lessor of two evils here. Because in an ideal world migraines would not exist, but in the real world they do. Why do we want BIG GOVERNMENT telling people how they can or can not heal themselves?
Jeffrey Lebowski
01-02-2014, 16:42
Trot you certainly don't know me one bit. But hey... build up the strawman.
So far no one can give a rational reason that makes sense to the majority of Americans esp the younger generation why BIG GOVERMENT prohibition is good. You can't claim to be for personal responsibility and that at the same time.
Because prohibition is not related to big government. Unbelievable.
Bonus points for calling someone else out for making a strawman. Are you sure you know what that word means?
Are you sure you know what big government is?
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 16:43
I can give you a bunch of reasons why the legalization of weed in Colorado is a bad thing.
But that would involve me getting into a discussion on crime and criminals. That's all stuff you probably wouldn't understand.
Well, maybe. Five minutes ago you were a crime and criminal expert.
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JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 16:47
Do you think you would do any harm to another person if you toked up MJ in your house to end your migrain? Trust me, the migraine meds and a migraine itself will not leave your head clear either. So lessor of two evils here. Because in an ideal world migraines would not exist, but in the real world they do. Why do we want BIG GOVERNMENT telling people how they can or can not heal themselves?
I do.
It would harm my family.
My co workers.
My friends.
And myself.
Not physically. But in other ways.
Ethics and morals and all that sort of thing.
Never mind the fact that it's against company policy for me to use it....
Oh... By the way... a few posts back to admitted to a felony... You should edit that before some Federal cop comes along and shares it with his boss...
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Because prohibition is not related to big government. Unbelievable.
Bonus points for calling someone else out for making a strawman. Are you sure you know what that word means?
Are you sure you know what big government is?
Can you even rationally think that one through... how in the heck is prohibition anything else other than big government? OR is the DEA just another mirage or the BILLION BILLION dollar a year drug war just a figment of the imagination? You can't claim to be for states rights and then be for the drug war against states rights. Dear lord people need to learn how to objectively think.
Jeffrey Lebowski
01-02-2014, 16:49
Can you even rationally think that one through... how in the heck is prohibition anything else other than big government? OR is the DEA just another mirage or the BILLION BILLION dollar a year drug war just a figment of the imagination? You can't claim to be for states rights and then be for the drug war against states rights. Dear lord people need to learn how to objectively think.
I think we all agree on this sentence, if not the rest of your posts. :)
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 16:50
Can you even rationally think that one through... how in the heck is prohibition anything else other than big government? OR is the DEA just another mirage or the BILLION BILLION dollar a year drug war just a figment of the imagination? You can't claim to be for states rights and then be for the drug war against states rights. Dear lord people need to learn how to objectively think.
Uh.... Last I checked.... a small government could drop a law that caused prohibition....
The size of the government doesn't matter. You of all people should know that size doesn't matter.
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JM, smoking pot for a medical condition is not a felony. You want me to piss in a cup this second, I will test out clean as a whistle for anything. Because I don't use it or anything else, heck I barely drink.
I don't know what job you have that is your business. But don't attack other people and act holier than thou for them trying to heal themselves. This whole war on drugs is one of the reasons the younger generations thinks conservatism is full of crap and they are right in that respect.
Its BIG GOVERNMENT prohibition... and you have rationalized yourself into not seeing it.
Jumpstart
01-02-2014, 16:53
NYCO if you were really concerned about big government, you would be joining the Tea Party movement.
I see the Tea Party and many of the left in agreement about some things. The area where the Tea Party fails is when they think that corporate rights are = to living citizen rights. Really there are few people that are in government now that are worth voting FOR...
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 16:57
JM, smoking pot for a medical condition is not a felony. You want me to piss in a cup this second, I will test out clean as a whistle for anything. Because I don't use it or anything else, heck I barely drink.
I don't know what job you have that is your business. But don't attack other people and act holier than thou for them trying to heal themselves. This whole war on drugs is one of the reasons the younger generations thinks conservatism is full of crap and they are right in that respect.
Its BIG GOVERNMENT prohibition... and you have rationalized yourself into not seeing it.
You admitted to using weed... Weed is still against federal law. You have guns. Guns + weed = felony.
You don't understand the importance of the war on drugs. You look only at the front end of it. The small picture.
It's ok, bro. I don't blame you. I blame the weed.
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cfortune
01-02-2014, 16:59
JM, smoking pot for a medical condition is not a felony. You want me to piss in a cup this second, I will test out clean as a whistle for anything. Because I don't use it or anything else, heck I barely drink.
I don't know what job you have that is your business. But don't attack other people and act holier than thou for them trying to heal themselves. This whole war on drugs is one of the reasons the younger generations thinks conservatism is full of crap and they are right in that respect.
Its BIG GOVERNMENT prohibition... and you have rationalized yourself into not seeing it.
I think he was referring to lying on a 4473 (I don't know in what other sense smoking pot would be a felony). Which I still don't think is valid since it asks if you are a user of or addicted to, versus asking if you've ever used.
Nevermind, JM chimed in before me. I suppose that's valid, granted he smoked weed while possessing a firearm.
Don't mind me, I'm sick and on cold medicine.
jerrymrc
01-02-2014, 17:02
Here's one more Blast from the past, 'Paraquat' I remember the Paraquat Pot scare. They way some people talked back then one hit would turn you into a zombie. [ROFL2]
Coming soon..... Legalize Vicodin and Oxy! Why make it prescription, it's fun to get high with!
Just like anything it is all about limits. A man has to know his limits. [panic][Flower]
What would you rather see If there was a choice. Continued use of oxycotin or mmj for pain ?
One of my docs talked about MMJ for me instead of the Oxy but since I work for the DOD that was not an option. At my age and having the knowledge that I do it would be a toss up. Would have to try the MMJ just to see how it would work vs the current treatment. At my current dosage withdrawal is never an issue but I fully understand the risks.
Ok. You ass monkeys are starting to get out of hand.
I made a post about finding it funny that a pot head commented on how motivated he was and some of you chose to use this for your own personal soap box.
Fuck you guys.
I hope a mod locks this soon. Us mods are people too and many are of that age that we made it (sort of) in one piece out of the 60's-70's. I have friends back home that still smoke weed after 40 years since they started. [blah-blah][beatdeadhorse][Beer]
The lengths that people will go to to keep themselves from criticizing a bad position.
You can lampoon me all you want. I am giving you all some tough love. Crying about socialism means nothing to the younger generations. Telling the younger generation that you are FOR PERSONAL FREEDOM and STATES RIGHTS... while being for the drug war is hypocritical to them. So you best figure out how to evolve past those hypocritical issues otherwise you will keep on losing elections to the natural demographic change.
Us mods are people too and many are of that age that we made it (sort of) in one piece out of the 60's-70's. I have friends back home that still smoke weed after 40 years since they started. [blah-blah][beatdeadhorse][Beer]
Not sure what your comment has to do with my complaint that some of the people here (aka "ass monkeys") took a light-hearted thread I started and started arguing about the legality and morality of marijuana use.
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 17:14
The lengths that people will go to to keep themselves from criticizing a bad position.
You can lampoon me all you want. I am giving you all some tough love. Crying about socialism means nothing to the younger generations. Telling the younger generation that you are FOR PERSONAL FREEDOM and STATES RIGHTS... while being for the drug war is hypocritical to them. So you best figure out how to evolve past those hypocritical issues otherwise you will keep on losing elections to the natural demographic change.
You keep talking about "Personal Freedom" like it means something...
You are free to do what ever the hell you want. No one is stopping you. You can smoke all the weed you want and snort all the coke off a hooker's ass you want....
There are consequences for those actions though...
My suggestion: Don't get caught.
You keep going on about how your weed doesn't hurt anyone.... I got a book full of pictures of dead people that says otherwise.
You haven't seen cruelty till you've seen what a Mexican drug cartel does to someone who opposes them. Those drug cartels will be setting up shop in Colorado now.
I hope you're prepared for that.
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KestrelBike
01-02-2014, 17:15
Heard this morning that sales were about a million bucks yesterday. I didn't know that these were cash only sales ? I'd guess that everyone of these stores are going to have to have some type of armed guards present .
~5 years ago with the medical dispensaries in CA, even then they were hotspots for general criminal activity (break-ins, vandalism, etc).
You aren't that young trot. I don't believe it.
Anyway, people with real medical issues should look into the Charlotte's Web strain and ones like it.
On the note of mmj being a joke with false doctor's notes, of course it is/was. How do you go around a joke of a law with a straight face? It is the same as magazine "repair kits" and defective vehicle tickets. No one believes anyosne has a broken magazine or was driving a defective vehicle. It is what it is.
When the landscape changed so that only people who had injuries could use weed, then users of weed made sure to believe in their "injuries," if for no other reason than to not feel like a criminal. Did they have pain? Maybe. Was it continuously debilitating? Probably not in most cases. I will say though, anyone who tries to defend their back pain, when they don't really have it, needs to get real lest they sound like a fool at this point.
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 17:18
I was supposed to be taking a nap before I go fight crime...
Now look what you've all done... I had my batman costume ready and everything!
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Trot, the only reason I got angry at you was the way you talked down about someone I love for her medical condition. How would you feel if that was your wife?
As to the other stuff, good on you for being a small business owner. I think most of the laws in this nation punish small business and distort the market to reward the big business cartels. Why, because those people have the money to write laws to put people like you out of business. I think its disgusting that people like you have to pay taxes while companies like Apple do not. But you can't fix that by voting for either party.
I have no problem with you or any other person on this board that would ever keep me from shaking your hand and looking toward the future first.
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 17:21
Trot, the only reason I got angry at you was the way you talked down about someone I love for her medical condition. How would you feel if that was your wife?
As to the other stuff, good on you for being a small business owner. I think most of the laws in this nation punish small business and distort the market to reward the big business cartels. Why, because those people have the money to write laws to put people like you out of business. I think its disgusting that people like you have to pay taxes while companies like Apple do not. But you can't fix that by voting for either party.
I have no problem with you or any other person on this board that would ever keep me from shaking your hand and looking toward the future first.
I recently had a discussion with some Feminists about how they think it should be illegal to hurt someone's feelings.
I believe this would be a good trial case for that....
Would you like to press charges against Mr. Trot for hurting your feelings?
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You keep going on about how your weed doesn't hurt anyone.... I got a book full of pictures of dead people that says otherwise.
You haven't seen cruelty till you've seen what a Mexican drug cartel does to someone who opposes them. Those drug cartels will be setting up shop in Colorado now.
I hope you're prepared for that.
Stop pause one second.... you are complaining about the repercussions of PROHIBITION not the actual pot. Its the same stuff that was happening with alcohol during its prohibition. Al Capone and those horrors of those times were because of PROHIBITION.
cfortune
01-02-2014, 17:23
I recently had a discussion with some Feminists about how they think it should be illegal to hurt someone's feelings.
I believe this would be a good trial case for that....
Would you like to press charges against Mr. Trot for hurting your feelings?
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Hahahaha, I had the pleasure of reading this conversation. Made me laugh pretty good.
ChunkyMonkey
01-02-2014, 17:24
Hahahaha, I had the pleasure of reading this conversation. Made me laugh pretty good.
Please dont bring that FB crap into the board LOL
I have no problem with you or any other person on this board that would ever keep me from shaking your hand and looking toward the future first.
Just a heads up.... If you and I ever meet and you extend your hand to me, don't get your feelings hurt if I don't extend mine in return. I have very little respect for you based off of your posts here. You and I have very little in common.
I recently had a discussion with some Feminists about how they think it should be illegal to hurt someone's feelings.
I believe this would be a good trial case for that....
Would you like to press charges against Mr. Trot for hurting your feelings?
Give me more credit that than, I mean come on. I take more crap than anyone here. I also do my best not to take it personal and have been trying hard not to dish it back the same as how I get it. I am not perfect, but I am trying to do better and I can honestly say that I have listened and learned from many of you here too.
ChunkyMonkey
01-02-2014, 17:27
Give me more credit that than, I mean come on. I take more crap than anyone here. I also do my best not to take it personal and have been trying hard not to dish it back the same as how I get it. I am not perfect, but I am trying to do better and I can honestly say that I have listened and learned from many of you here too.
NYNCO: I.. I.. I.. I.. I.. all about him as always. Do you still think we owe you a thank you for your 2a stand among the libtards?
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 17:29
Stop pause one second.... you are complaining about the repercussions of PROHIBITION not the actual pot. Its the same stuff that was happening with alcohol during its prohibition. Al Capone and those horrors of those times were because of PROHIBITION.
Drug cartels spend millions of dollars attempting to smuggle their drugs into the US. They no longer have to smuggle anything here in Colorado.
There are going to be pot shops that are fronts for drug cartels. Anyone who buys from said shops will be supporting a criminal organization that is cruel beyond words.
You have no idea the can of worms that has been opened here.
You have opened a door for drug cartels to move in.
Since you support this.... I don't want to hear you bitch when there is an increase of DEA and ATF activity in Colorado. I don't want to hear how the Feds are coming to take you away.
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What do you want me to speak for you Chunkey... would you prefer I put words in your mouth? You really are that blinded that you could not see the part where I said I learn from people like you.
Jim, if there were no federal prohibition, there would be no market for the Cartels. Farmers in the US would be growing it. Heck the laws in Colorado already state that 80% must come from grow operations owned by the stores. Only 20% can come from independent purchase. You want to cut the cartels out.... end prohibition. Just like the end of alcohol prohibition lead to end of alcohol gangsters. You are complaining about the symptom and not the root cause.
Besides... I thought conservatism was all about states rights?
ChunkyMonkey
01-02-2014, 17:34
You really are that blinded that you could not see the part where I said I learn from people like you.
Obviously not. Hey, some have much longer learning curve.
I've been Stoned all my life. It's genetic [ROFL1]
cfortune
01-02-2014, 17:35
Please dont bring that FB crap into the board LOL
As Brad once said to me
"I don't understand that co-ar15 place... It's like FB for old people."
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 17:36
Jim, if there were no federal prohibition, there would be no market for the Cartels. Farmers in the US would be growing it. Heck the laws in Colorado already state that 80% must come from grow operations owned by the stores. Only 20% can come from independent purchase. You want to cut the cartels out.... end prohibition. Just like the end of alcohol prohibition lead to end of alcohol gangsters. You are complaining about the symptom and not the root cause.
Besides... I thought conservatism was all about states rights?
Uhg..... It's like talking to your dog.... No matter what you say all they do is sit there and lick their own asshole....
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As Brad once said to me
"I don't understand that co-ar15 place... It's like FB for old people."
Get off my range/lawn[LOL]
JM... what do you think would happen if we brought back alcohol prohibition?
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 17:38
Well.... My nap is ruined.... Thanks guys.
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Great-Kazoo
01-02-2014, 17:40
Well.... My nap is ruined.... Thanks guys.
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EVERYONE, text bomb JM.
ChunkyMonkey
01-02-2014, 17:43
EVERYONE, text bomb JM.
No thanks.. John like to send picture of body parts.. of himself.
Sorry to hear Trot, no one deserves that.
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 17:55
I'm going to make a new thread for you, Nynco.
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I'm going to make a new thread for you, Nynco.
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Lol. This should be good.
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 18:20
Lol. This should be good.
It appears my thread was deleted...... Oh well.... Might as well derail this one some more.
Check this out. She sparkled in the sun light. And just to clarify, the shirt was see through.... Those aren't fabric folds....
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/03/qegytyda.jpg
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It appears my thread was deleted.
Sheesh. That was fast. Who's Cheerios did you piss in today? [Coffee]
Actually I thought it was a pretty good thread and that we were being productive/respectful. But I can see where the mods were leery of a cross dressing gun rights activist.
I liked this thread better when it was sharing information for those who didn't know otherwise.
Actually I thought it was a pretty good thread and that we were being productive/respectful. But I can see where the mods were leery of a cross dressing gun rights activist.
More of the "right wing" trying to oppress your people.
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 18:33
More of the "right wing" trying to oppress your people.
I didn't think of it that way....
Damn the mods and their oppression!!!!!!
Just kidding. I love you guys. Please don't ban me. :)
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hghclsswhitetrsh
01-02-2014, 18:37
I didn't think of it that way....
Damn the mods and their oppression!!!!!!
Just kidding. I love you guys. Please don't ban me, again x3. :)
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FIFY
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 18:39
FIFY
X4
Fify.
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Its the mods board. It's their call, but I thought it was a pretty good thread because it showed some people that others might think were their enemy as being on their side for the 2nd amendment. I personally have used many of the links you all have posted as references for FB battles. That was a good one too.
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 18:48
Why had no one commented about my photograph......
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Why had no one commented about my photograph......
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You should have zoomed in so we could see better.
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 18:56
That is zoomed in. My phone can only do so much, bro.
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That is zoomed in. My phone can only do so much, bro.
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Well then, you should have driven up closer.
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 19:01
I've seen documentaries on wild hippos before... I prefer to keep my distance.
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Great-Kazoo
01-02-2014, 19:01
It appears my thread was deleted...... Oh well.... Might as well derail this one some more.
Check this out. She sparkled in the sun light. And just to clarify, the shirt was see through.... Those aren't fabric folds....
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/03/qegytyda.jpg
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Why had no one commented about my photograph......
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That's some foil i'd like on my head, YUMMY.
I wuv u dees much
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4548685152520932&pid=15.1
I should lock this just because it took me so long to read through and see how bad it got. But I'm in a f%#k it mood and it seems to have calmed a bit. Proceed. Until another staff member has had enough or it gets too unruly.
It did calm down a bit after I called everyone a bunch of ass monkeys and told them to go fuck themselves. [Coffee]
Roger Ronas
01-02-2014, 19:51
average Joint is about 1 gram, so 1/4 oz would be about 7 joints. You can roll a fatter (fattie) with about 1.5 grams. Blunts use 3-4 grams and are shared by several people at a time. Bowl usually has 1-2 grams.
HTH
Roger
Man, I need to make some popcorn.....
It did calm down a bit after I called everyone a bunch of ass monkeys and told them to go fuck themselves. [Coffee]
Wait.... you called me an ass monkey and told me to fuck myself???? Now I'm offended too. :)
Remember that scene from platoon when they smoke out of the rifle? That's what this thread needs!
No one mentioned perhaps the potheads might just be too lazy to move? (to Colorado that is, or just in general)
You want to defend Colorado, push to end prohibition nationally and the pot heads won't move here. [Beer]
You want to defend Colorado, push to end prohibition nationally and the pot heads won't move here. [Beer]
I agree, and what about mushrooms, no one has taken up that cause.
"I have been eating mushrooms and moss. Mostly mushrooms. I am starting to hallucinate. When I close my eyes, I can see strange characters running around chasing colorful geometric shapes in a dark and infinite limbo. I have stopped closing my eyes.".... Dale Gribble
Costs a huge amount of money to pack up and move to another state. Besides, man, that's like - work and shit, ya know?
It comes down to Personal Responsibility.
It's a good thing we don't have that anymore. Everyone's a "victim".
ETA: I didn't expect a 2nd Nynco pot + 2A thread. Enough already. Talk about it in the original thread over in the L&P forum.
In the 80s Hawaii had a war on weed. They called it "green harvest". They did a great job eradicating weed. Only downside was people couldn't smoke weed so they started smoking meth.
Great-Kazoo
01-02-2014, 20:44
In the 80s Hawaii had a war on weed. They called it "green harvest". They did a great job eradicating weed. Only downside was people couldn't smoke weed so they started smoking meth.
The Railroad started UA about 18 years ago. Took all the pot heads and turned them in to raging alky's
I would chose a pot head over a drunk any day. Ask anyone who has ever worked in an ER which is worse.
ETA: I didn't expect a 2nd Nynco pot + 2A thread. Enough already. Talk about it in the original thread over in the L&P forum.
This kind of spiraled out of control. If you see my original post, I was just trying to share something I found amusing when the local media was interviewing a guy at one of the local pot shops.
I guess you you can't even allude to pot in a thread without it getting everyone worked into a frenzy.
I totally get what you were doing....then in came the hijack.
I totally get what you were doing....then in came the hijack.
Exactly. Like a bunch of damned terrorists.
This one is for NYNCO.
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This one is just "in general"
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jerrymrc
01-02-2014, 21:27
The Railroad started UA about 18 years ago. Took all the pot heads and turned them in to raging alky's
Military did that 82-83 as well. [Flower] Just saying....
streetglideok
01-02-2014, 21:28
Some interesting info about weed in the beginning, before it transcended into a new level. My wife has a bad asthma allergy to weed, so what about people like her that just about suffocate when someone lights a bong or joint up? Regardless of all the drama brought up here, one thing is for certain that a few of you guys figured out. This whole thing is a political stunt to buy votes. They want to anchor this state as blue. They already said they want texas blue. The weed heads this silly law is going to appeal to, and draw in are likely to be the non-working types, all about being a career surfer or snowboarder, and we should support them. Banning this is not big gov't. Regulating this is big gov't. The democrats know that offering free candy to first graders will buy them votes to do whatever the hell they want, and that is what they are doing. This state is about to be forever blue.
Great-Kazoo
01-02-2014, 21:37
Some interesting info about weed in the beginning, before it transcended into a new level. My wife has a bad asthma allergy to weed, so what about people like her that just about suffocate when someone lights a bong or joint up? Regardless of all the drama brought up here, one thing is for certain that a few of you guys figured out. This whole thing is a political stunt to buy votes. They want to anchor this state as blue. They already said they want texas blue. The weed heads this silly law is going to appeal to, and draw in are likely to be the non-working types, all about being a career surfer or snowboarder, and we should support them. Banning this is not big gov't. Regulating this is big gov't. The democrats know that offering free candy to first graders will buy them votes to do whatever the hell they want, and that is what they are doing. This state is about to be forever blue.
We had a co-worker who said she was allergic to the stuff. Ok sure you are. One day a client offered her some weed, saying Smell This!. BANG she freaked and came running in asking if anyone had some zyterc or other antihistamine. As she's pleading for som,e her eyes closed up and started going in to shock. Good thing i had my allergy script on hand.
Who would have known?
I suggest you / her have some benadryl gel caps on hand 24/7, if not an epi pen.
Aloha_Shooter
01-02-2014, 22:03
There are already reports of people with family members that suffer from seizures moving here. NPR had a guy in Pueblo who has only been here a few months. He came from Idaho and said he moved here as soon as it was legalized. He basically said it was all about freedom and he moved here to be free. I laughed when they played that part.
What do the families with seizures have to do with the guy from Pueblo since it was already legal for "medical" purposes? There's a who lot of rationalizing and other BS going on here.
So you are saying to support Bloomberg style bans for smoking in the open air now? Really I don't care what someone does at home or in a public open air area. People could also ingest it too. Not all pot is smoked.
What do the families with seizures have to do with the guy from Pueblo since it was already legal for "medical" purposes? There's a who lot of rationalizing and other BS going on here.
Here is one story where pot helped this little girl. http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/07/health/charlotte-child-medical-marijuana/
OtterbatHellcat
01-02-2014, 22:10
Stop feeding the troll.
Stop feeding the troll.
What do you suppose trolls eat?
SideShow Bob
01-02-2014, 22:19
Remember that scene from platoon when they smoke out of the rifle?
Get your facts straight, it was a shotgun used in that scene...........[Tooth]
What do you suppose trolls eat?
Well, they say "you are what you eat"....
SideShow Bob
01-02-2014, 22:21
Wasn't this thread closed right after Jim's post about the allergenic coworker ? Now it's open again.....
DavieD55
01-02-2014, 22:22
This is a stupid social issue that the progressives are exploiting and using to monopolize on their political power. This is to keep people divided and to make many into single issue voters for the progressive agenda in Colorado. There are a lot of people out there who could care less about anything other than getting their fix legally now, it is much easier to manipulate people who high for a vote.
I can see why Magpul announced that they are leaving today.
I'm guessing now that pot is legal in this state, some of those voters won't feel any pressing need to make it back to the polls this year.
I could be wrong.
DavieD55
01-02-2014, 22:27
I'm guessing now that pot is legal in this state, some of those voters won't feel any pressing need to make it back to the polls this year.
I could be wrong.
Let's hope so. It is still going to attract that crowd.
SideShow Bob
01-02-2014, 22:29
I'm guessing now that pot is legal in this state, some of those voters won't feel any pressing need to make it back to the polls this year.
I could be wrong.
If their Govt. entitlement checks get to them by the 1st. of Nov. hopefully they will be too zoned out to make to the polls on the 4th.
streetglideok
01-02-2014, 22:42
Watch the greedy democrats pass a huge tax hike on weed down the road.
There already is a huge tax on non medical weed. The Redcard is now a no tax card for medical users.
Great-Kazoo
01-02-2014, 23:09
This is a stupid social issue that the progressives are exploiting and using to monopolize on their political power. This is to keep people divided and to make many into single issue voters for the progressive agenda in Colorado. There are a lot of people out there who could care less about anything other than getting their fix legally now, it is much easier to manipulate people who high for a vote.
I can see why Magpul announced that they are leaving today.
Magpul had the deal done a few months ago. They waited till the ink was dry before going public.
Wait is this morphing into the magpul thread now!?
DON'T CROSS THE THREADS!
Great-Kazoo
01-02-2014, 23:24
Wait is this morphing into the magpul thread now!?
DON'T CROSS THE THREADS!
My bad. I thought i was in the post whore thread.
Link - sausage
DavieD55
01-02-2014, 23:34
Wait is this morphing into the magpul thread now!?
DON'T CROSS THE THREADS!
Oh, well excuse me.
JM Ver. 2.0
01-02-2014, 23:44
This thread is getting too close to the rails again..... Gotta throw it off again.
My seats ROCKED tonight.
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hghclsswhitetrsh
01-02-2014, 23:46
Cocaine is a hell of a drug. - Rick James.
This thread needs a refund.
Military did that 82-83 as well. [Flower] Just saying....
[LOL] Yup, I was there.
Wait is this morphing into the magpul thread now!?
DON'T CROSS THE THREADS!STREAMS!
FIFY
I agree, and what about mushrooms, no one has taken up that cause.
"I have been eating mushrooms and moss. Mostly mushrooms. I am starting to hallucinate. When I close my eyes, I can see strange characters running around chasing colorful geometric shapes in a dark and infinite limbo. I have stopped closing my eyes.".... Dale Gribble
Actually there are some interesting studies going on with mushrooms right now. The science program last Saturday on NPR had a pretty cool article about it. I'll try to find the link.
Some interesting info about weed in the beginning, before it transcended into a new level. My wife has a bad asthma allergy to weed, so what about people like her that just about suffocate when someone lights a bong or joint up?
There are a lot of edibles (soda pop, pizza, food of every kind) and tinctures. Makes it pretty public friendly.
What do the families with seizures have to do with the guy from Pueblo since it was already legal for "medical" purposes? There's a who lot of rationalizing and other BS going on here.
The families and the guy are unrelated. I'll put a paragraph break next time. Guy in NPR article said that weed wasn't medically legal in his state.
This thread is getting too close to the rails again..... Gotta throw it off again.
My seats ROCKED tonight.
Umm, weren't you bitching about needing a nap before work?
It's time for bed
Same time tomorrow everyone?
clublights
01-03-2014, 02:28
Some interesting info about weed in the beginning, before it transcended into a new level. My wife has a bad asthma allergy to weed, so what about people like her that just about suffocate when someone lights a bong or joint up?
It is still illegal to smoke in "public" .. just like you can't walk to the street chugging a bottle of whiskey you can't bee bop down the block puffin a blunt.
streetglideok
01-03-2014, 07:06
It's illegal, but that doesn't mean people abide by it. Sometimes, its just walking past an apartment that the door was open and cheech and chong were in there.
BREATHER
01-03-2014, 07:57
When pictures appear in the newspapers from 4/20 gathering on the statehouse lawn, how come all of the tokers look like nonworking assmonkeys that can't wear their hat on straight. As a matter of fact how come they can be at the gathering if they have a job or better yet apparently if they have a job they are not scared of losing it because now their boss sees them toking in public. All the stoner I have to come in contact with are stoned almost 24/7 that seems to be way more than recreational use. If one is stoned 24/7 and weed in MIND ALTERING, where is their reality ????. When do they have a reality???? AND again, I see assholes daily that do not have a pot to piss in, that have the government entitlements, that have kids but buy weed instead of food for their little bastards, who's bebies dadies are buying weed instead of paying child support and taking care of their little bastards.... but its OK cuz now at least they're out voting for the cause now...(SARCASM) for those that do not recognize it....
SuperiorDG
01-03-2014, 08:38
When pictures appear in the newspapers from 4/20 gathering on the statehouse lawn, how come all of the tokers look like nonworking assmonkeys that can't wear their hat on straight. As a matter of fact how come they can be at the gathering if they have a job or better yet apparently if they have a job they are not scared of losing it because now their boss sees them toking in public. All the stoner I have to come in contact with are stoned almost 24/7 that seems to be way more than recreational use. If one is stoned 24/7 and weed in MIND ALTERING, where is their reality ????. When do they have a reality???? AND again, I see assholes daily that do not have a pot to piss in, that have the government entitlements, that have kids but buy weed instead of food for their little bastards, who's bebies dadies are buying weed instead of paying child support and taking care of their little bastards.... but its OK cuz now at least they're out voting for the cause now...(SARCASM) for those that do not recognize it....
Yea, and why is it that they always show those crazy ass nut jobs with guns on TV?
Yea, and why is it that they always show those crazy ass nut jobs with guns on TV?
Ha. Right. They always show those hillbilly, inbred looking guys. Usually spouting off about weird stuff. They don't usually show the middle class, working man with a family or the doctor or lawyer or anyone who looks responsible and seems well spoken and articulate. It's always some fudd.
hghclsswhitetrsh
01-03-2014, 09:05
My feelers are hurt now.
Great-Kazoo
01-03-2014, 09:30
This thread is getting too close to the rails again..... Gotta throw it off again.
My seats ROCKED tonight.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/03/ma9y4asy.jpg
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Umm, weren't you bitching about needing a nap before work?
he is napping. Those are pics of his dreams. Guess he likes guys on ice, with 2 Dicks.
james_bond_007
01-03-2014, 11:34
Out of state can purchase 1/4oz.
The stores however do not keep track of who buys what. The limit for purchase is only for that store, that transaction.
So really there is no limit.
Jim... No fucking clue.
Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.
Yes, just an inconvenience factor to out-of-state buyers.
The ruling is 1/4 oz per transaction.
So they either need to get back in line for another transaction, or visit another shop.
It's not like there aren't enough shops. Just jaunt down Broadway.
two shoes
01-03-2014, 12:15
Like how many shots can you get from a 750ml bottle of tequila?
25.3605 one ounce shots in a 750mL bottle....
It's illegal, but that doesn't mean people abide by it. Sometimes, its just walking past an apartment that the door was open and cheech and chong were in there.
My wife's department interviewed someone for a job last year and the candidate was "chemically sensitive"....the candidate informed everyone at the interview that they would not be able to wear deodorant/perfume/cologne...needless to say, they hired a different candidate. Perfume isn't illegal and now weed isn't either.
BuffCyclist
01-03-2014, 16:42
25.3605 one ounce shots in a 750mL bottle....
Yes, my point was, some bars pour 1oz shots to save money and short you. Some serve 1.25oz shots. Some serve 1.5oz shots.
At home, my shots are like 3oz [LOL]
The point was, depending on the standard unit of measure, you can get a variety of different shots from one bottle of a given size. But, you'll know that you can get 24-1oz shots, 19.2-1.25oz shots, 16-1.5oz shots, etc.
Yes, my point was, some bars pour 1oz shots to save money and short you. Some serve 1.25oz shots. Some serve 1.5oz shots.
At home, my shots are like 3oz [LOL]
The point was, depending on the standard unit of measure, you can get a variety of different shots from one bottle of a given size. But, you'll know that you can get 24-1oz shots, 19.2-1.25oz shots, 16-1.5oz shots, etc.
I use a coffee cup and a couple fingers.
I use a coffee cup and a couple fingers.
Enough personal info....we're talking shots.
DOH!!! Friday!! DOH!!!
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wctriumph
01-03-2014, 18:36
Shots! I have never shot anybody but I have been shot at. It's one of the reasons I left CA and came here, where the sane people are.
TEA
III
Okay- that was a fun read... Trot- I like your style! [Beer] JM- you make some really good points... Nynco- wow, sorry about your GF, but also realize where a lot of us are coming from- after that MMJ law went into effect the happy little stoners came out of the wood work with faux injuries just to get their high on. Most MMJ card holders I have had the "pleasure" of meeting were not exactly legitimate... My GF's aunt used to be one, and she admitted, it was for a BS reason just so she could get high. Many others would lay claim that they really were "hurting", even when confronted about their so-called "injury." Shoot, I have a more legitimate reason to get my MMJ card, and I didn't because I don't think pot would help me, and I don't like the feeling when I was high in my youth, probably HATE it now. Not to mention the federal illegality, my line of work, and oh the whole guns and pot don't mix- legally and practically.
To shoot down your alcohol vs pot in terms of danger: [bulls] Two different things, both not good for you. To say alcohol is worse than pot is much akin to saying shooting yourself in the face with a shotgun is worse than jumping headfirst off a cliff... Both are bad, just in different ways. Alcohol is metabolized based upon how much is consumed for the person, based on tolerance, weight, metabolism and other factors- usually it's safe to say 1 hour per drink (or so). But regardless, moderate amounts of alcohol won't really inhibit your abilities 10-15 hours later. Meanwhile, THC can intoxicate and inhibit your abilities for up to 24 HOURS. That part is science. Oh, but it's safer, right? False. For an average person, one joint (the quantity varies but on average amounts) is as bad for your health as 1/2 pack of cigarettes. Don't smoke it? No problem, you're still screwed. Multiple studies have been conducted on the long-term effects of THC on people- and it has been determined that it does play a negative role in brain function and motivation. Regardless of how it is brought into the body. One study found a patient that smoked pot from 16 (with parents permission to take part in the study) to 26 showed decreased brain function, decreased motivation, mood and behavior changes, and actually did worse on cognitive function tests after 5 years of using. This test was conducted on several people of differing physical and mental capabilities and proportions. All the results found that, to put it in lay terms, the subjects showed signs of being "dumber."
To say pot is harmless is a complete and total fallacy. It's BS no matter which way you slice it. However, I do see the benefits it has for medicinal purposes... I have a dear friend who's uncle suffers from MS and marijuana is pretty much the only thing that eases his pain without terrible side-effects. But different meds work for different people. I also see the benefits of ending prohibition and helping to slow the violence that comes with prohibition. But I foresee the ill effects of ending the prohibition on pot here in CO, as others stated with the influx of that kind of person moving here, and also with the idea that since it's legal, now the brazenness of pot heads with surge and they'll drive while high (I'm against legalization mostly for this reason), smoke in public, and out-of-state folks will try and bring some home, and that could become cause for a federal crackdown. Not to mention the gifting or sales of pot to kids (just like alcohol), that could cause for a crackdown with local LE. This is one of those instances where I can easily see the cons outweighing the pros. Just my $.02...
streetglideok
01-03-2014, 19:32
My wife's department interviewed someone for a job last year and the candidate was "chemically sensitive"....the candidate informed everyone at the interview that they would not be able to wear deodorant/perfume/cologne...needless to say, they hired a different candidate. Perfume isn't illegal and now weed isn't either.
Doesn't have to be illegal to be liable in a civil case. If they aren't taking any and all precautions to control their smoke, etc, then they could be held liable, unless there is a law that gives them immunity? Also, you're comparing apples to oranges as well. Perfume can be worn in public. Weed can not be smoked in public legally.
Great-Kazoo
01-03-2014, 19:46
1 hour per drink (or so). But regardless, moderate amounts of alcohol won't really inhibit your abilities 10-15 hours later. Meanwhile, THC can intoxicate and inhibit your abilities for up to 24 HOURS. That part is science. Oh, but it's safer, right? False. For an average person, one joint (the quantity varies but on average amounts) is as bad for your health as 1/2 pack of cigarettes. Don't smoke it? No problem, you're still screwed. Multiple studies have been conducted on the long-term effects of THC on people- and it has been determined that it does play a negative role in brain function and motivation. Regardless of how it is brought into the body. One study found a patient that smoked pot from 16 (with parents permission to take part in the study) to 26 showed decreased brain function, decreased motivation, mood and behavior changes, and actually did worse on cognitive function tests after 5 years of using. This test was conducted on several people of differing physical and mental capabilities and proportions. All the results found that, to put it in lay terms, the subjects showed signs of being "dumber."
To say pot is harmless is a complete and total fallacy. It's BS no matter which way you slice it. However, I do see the benefits it has for medicinal purposes... I have a dear friend who's uncle suffers from MS and marijuana is pretty much the only thing that eases his pain without terrible side-effects. But different meds work for different people. I also see the benefits of ending prohibition and helping to ...
Science also said the earth was flat, the sun revolved around the earth, people of color were inherently unable to grasp things the way Caucasians could.
How much a stimulant can inhibit your abilities depends on numerous factors. Myself 1 beer can literally render me incapacitated for 2-3 hours. Forget about the next day. So that dismisses your "science"
As for the study with the 16-26 . How much was smoked per day, quality / THC content, how thick or thin was the joint, Was it smoked out of a pipe, bong, vaporizer, etc. ? ? ? ? Too many undisclosed variables to be a "Valid" study with scientific 'results"
Regarding smoking pot vs. cigarettes. Unless the weed is laced with something it does not have the artificial stimulants cigarettes do. Or i doubt the "SCIENCE" of 1 joint = 1/2 pack of smokes.
To say alcohol is harmless, is absurd and an utter fallacy. Puts both "addictive" items on equal footing.
I agree, different meds work for different people.
Personally ANY STUDY done by any group can skew the results the way they want. A classic example it any anti-gun org. They use the same BS as "drug" mongers do.
MORE CHILDREN ARE KILLED BY GUNS THAN xxxx Without disclosing (to their base) CHILDREN are classified up to 21 years of age, For their study results.
Allowing CCW will have the streets run with blood, FALSE On & on & on
To me the only reality, as oft posted in this thread is. COLORADO has now become a mecca for every swinging dick liberal, freeloading, mooching breathing body.
THAT is my objection to the whole Pot Brewhaha. We have become a liberal SANCTUARY STATE. How that plays out in november will be interesting, while sad to watch.
Hopefully this last attack on sanity will bring every R & I voter to the polls, hopefully.
They are both still depressants. They both are intoxicants. With alcohol it's easy to tell how much is in an individuals system. With THC, not so easy.
THC is fat soluble while alcohol is water soluble. Different mechanics involved for getting the intoxicant out of your system.
When it comes to studies of "children killed with guns", the CDC shows just how to skew such statistics. A "child" = any individual up to the age of 25. This includes adult gang members and my-oh-my does that make a more convincing argument.
With mail-in voting, the hopes of the habitual pot smokers staying out of the election goes way down.
What this has to do with anything, this is known only to God and cauliflower.
Science also said the earth was flat, the sun revolved around the earth, people of color were inherently unable to grasp things the way Caucasians could.
How much a stimulant can inhibit your abilities depends on numerous factors. Myself 1 beer can literally render me incapacitated for 2-3 hours. Forget about the next day. So that dismisses your "science"
Regarding smoking pot vs. cigarettes. Unless the weed is laced with something it does not have the artificial stimulants cigarettes do. Or i doubt the "SCIENCE" of 1 joint = 1/2 pack of smokes.
Point 1- Talking in general terms, for the average adult... so no, doesn't dismiss the actual science that is used for nationwide training for Drug Recognition Experts in Law Enforcement- basically an associates degree worth of information and training crammed into two weeks.
Point 2- Pot vs cigarettes- doesn't matter the artificial stimulants, the smoke from pot smoke is more harmful than cigarettes... you can doubt the science all you want, doesn't change it, though.
You are right on with the CO becoming the pot/liberal mecca of the nation... Don't hold your breath on the R and I voters coming to the polls... they didn't in 2008, and it wasn't much better in '12. As we could see from Obama, Hick, and the various Dems that managed to win at the state level. I miss the days of CO being a red state.
Great-Kazoo
01-03-2014, 20:47
Point 1- Talking in general terms, for the average adult... so no, doesn't dismiss the actual science that is used for nationwide training for Drug Recognition Experts in Law Enforcement- basically an associates degree worth of information and training crammed into two weeks.
This has been discredited by LE's in the past.
Point 2- Pot vs cigarettes- doesn't matter the artificial stimulants, the smoke from pot smoke is more harmful than cigarettes... you can doubt the science all you want, doesn't change it, though.
You are right on with the CO becoming the pot/liberal mecca of the nation... Don't hold your breath on the R and I voters coming to the polls... they didn't in 2008, and it wasn't much better in '12. As we could see from Obama, Hick, and the various Dems that managed to win at the state level. I miss the days of CO being a red state.
I have personally witnessed folks, high as kites, walk through road side testing. How did they do it? Not looking / Profile of a stoner.
You being in the academy and quoting book & verse does or shows nothing valid. Outside it's material geared towards LE instruction.
If there was no WOD, i doubt much of the "science" would be a blip on the LE radar.
To shoot down your alcohol vs pot in terms of danger: [bulls] Two different things, both not good for you. To say alcohol is worse than pot is much akin to saying shooting yourself in the face with a shotgun is worse than jumping headfirst off a cliff... Both are bad, just in different ways. Alcohol is metabolized based upon how much is consumed for the person, based on tolerance, weight, metabolism and other factors- usually it's safe to say 1 hour per drink (or so). But regardless, moderate amounts of alcohol won't really inhibit your abilities 10-15 hours later. Meanwhile, THC can intoxicate and inhibit your abilities for up to 24 HOURS. That part is science. Oh, but it's safer, right? False. For an average person, one joint (the quantity varies but on average amounts) is as bad for your health as 1/2 pack of cigarettes. Don't smoke it? No problem, you're still screwed. Multiple studies have been conducted on the long-term effects of THC on people- and it has been determined that it does play a negative role in brain function and motivation. Regardless of how it is brought into the body. One study found a patient that smoked pot from 16 (with parents permission to take part in the study) to 26 showed decreased brain function, decreased motivation, mood and behavior changes, and actually did worse on cognitive function tests after 5 years of using. This test was conducted on several people of differing physical and mental capabilities and proportions. All the results found that, to put it in lay terms, the subjects showed signs of being "dumber."
How can you be an adult and believe all this bullshit at the same time? Alcohol can certainly effect you for 24 hours. It's called a hang over.
How can you be an adult and believe all this bullshit at the same time? Alcohol can certainly effect you for 24 hours. It's called a hang over.
I can drive just fine hung over... I'm talking about legally not safe to drive a car. Unless a "moderate" amount of alcohol inhibits your abilities to drive 15 hours later... in that case you probably should seek counseling as your version of "moderate" is way more than what the norm is.
jhood001
01-03-2014, 21:32
I can drive just fine hung over...
Pot users say the same thing about being stoned. Just sayin'.
Love your new avatar Jim.
For posterity
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skullybones
01-04-2014, 10:00
Point 2- Pot vs cigarettes- doesn't matter the artificial stimulants, the smoke from pot smoke is more harmful than cigarettes... you can doubt the science all you want, doesn't change it, though.
Instead of regurgitating what you are told, maybe do a bit of your own research on this. The studies were rigged to show that Marijuana caused a myriad of health issues. IIRC the monkey test subjects were hooked to gas masks, and subjected to marijuana smoke continuously for ~5 min. The actual data of these studies wasn't released until 10 years after "pot is the devil" campaign.
Edit to add: Show me documented proof of marijuana causing lung cancer. Should be simple enough...
Drugs aren't for me, but I could care less what anyone else puts in their body.
We are all happy that you are into your new gig, but just remember to stay in your lane lest you look like a total noob.
Just watch the movie "Reefer Madness" to learn everything you need to know about pot.
I can drive just fine hung over...
Back in my drinking days, there was many times I was not safe to operate FEET with a hangover, much less a motor vehicle...
No matter what your textbooks tell you about THC v. alcohol, they both can have effects lasting days after last ingestion. Hell, 35 years later the mere smell of Southern Comfort makes me want to hurl...
Great-Kazoo
01-04-2014, 10:48
Just watch the movie "Reefer Madness" to learn everything you need to know about pot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mq4UT4VnbE
I can drive fine with a hangover too, assuming I can even make it out of my bed, then off the toilet, then out of the shower, then out of bed the second time, then off the toilet the second time, then assuming it is dark outside by the time I get to the car and no one makes any loud noises or sudden movements.
I don't know that I've ever been hungover, ever.
And yes, there are times that I *should* have been severely hungover.
I've also never understood people who "forget" things after drinking.
Body chemistry can be vastly, vastly different.
I don't really drink much anymore.
I remember not understanding being black out drunk until it happened to me. I did the fresh 21 year-old drinking at the bars thing for about a year before I got black out drunk. You're not missing anything other than bad decisions and terrible hangovers.
Rucker61
01-04-2014, 19:33
Hell, 35 years later the mere smell of Southern Comfort makes me want to hurl...
I hear you. I haven't had rum since 1979.
I hear you. I haven't had rum since 1979.
No getting caught in the rain or making love at midnight for you!
<MADDOG>
01-05-2014, 00:06
I guess my point is its naive to typecast people either way. Sure there are stoners that function fine but there's also some that can and have killed people.
And yes some are more mellow but not all.
A good friend of mine had his ranger career terminated when a stoner speeding at over 100mph rear ended him on his harley on the interstate.
The only thing that saved him was an ambulance had been following the stoner at speed, trying to get LEO to get him off the road before the accident happened.
Broke about 60% of the bones in his body. So it's not harmless.
Yes, some people can function okay, some can't.
That said, the biggest issue I have with it isn't from the perspective of safety, and this is where the alcohol argument is moot.
Weed makes people generally stupider and unmotivated. While it may be argued it's their right to be stupider and unmotivated, I don't believe it's their right to live on the teet of society.
I also understand the broader scope of things. It kills our politics and kills our global competitiveness. It hurts our GDP and is a burden on the competent workforce.
trot - I appreciate the context of your argument, but your friend could have been as easily struck by a drunken driver, and it was far more likely.
I have no doubt in my mind that MJ makes the "dumb and dumber". However; I do have a question; how many non-afflicted people of sanity actually smoke dope? And of those, how many are habitual users? My guess from my personal observation is not many to the first question (excluding college kids), and even a smaller percentage to the last.
And how do you opine that pot-heads are living "on the teet of society"?
Just as matter of clarification; the picture in my head is not this:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/pperron/bp_zps56521a1e.jpg (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/pperron/media/bp_zps56521a1e.jpg.html)
But this....
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/pperron/Screen-Shot-2012-09-27-at-95151-AM_zps94838907.png (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/pperron/media/Screen-Shot-2012-09-27-at-95151-AM_zps94838907.png.html)
<MADDOG>
01-05-2014, 00:21
Oh yes!
[Beer]
We all know this is how Trot ends up after a good party...
[ROFL2]
http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i445/TangoDownPro/AfterParty_zpsbe96b0f2.jpg (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/TangoDownPro/media/AfterParty_zpsbe96b0f2.jpg.html)
<MADDOG>
01-05-2014, 00:31
For those that are bored, a little history...
(Disclaimer: I do not condone using pot, but I also do not see Amsterdam in flames either)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpDKfj7X8A0
I think whats going on are 2 different arguments:
1. The current Legalization of pot will harm colorado of the old and an influx of new progressive/lib voters will slowly chip away at our rights.
2. Mmj and its effects on society in Colorado. Eg personal health and personal safety on both sides of the arguement.
They seem to be overlapping and people's posts may not be clear as to which arguement.
Maybe I'm just wrong?
I can see both sides of the arguement but it seems like its turning into a "he said,she said" deal. Maybe more clarification in posts. Good responses from both sides.
jerrymrc
01-05-2014, 08:58
A bump for the new guy.
Great-Kazoo
01-05-2014, 08:58
I've had as much as 16 shots of top shelf and never got black-out or terrible hangovers. (or normal hangovers?) Same for a full fifth of 80 proof. Not sure which one was more. Really never wanted to push much beyond that. Hard to walk talk and shit at that point. But never any memory loss.
And yes, I know others have probably drank a lot more. For reference, at that time I was probably 135-140#.
Abnormally high histamine is my primary helper to my understanding. I'm not sure if I could ever safely get "black out drunk".
Doesn't that dispute the ronin's "use of LE training materials"
Great-Kazoo
01-05-2014, 09:00
A bump for the new guy.
We switching from weed to cocaine now? Can anyone stay onto p i c .............................................
streetglideok
01-05-2014, 09:29
Looking at all the weed support, down the road, with the influx of weed smokers to the state, this site, or one similar to it several years from now, will resemble the kalifornia gun forums, where you will be ok with draconian gun control laws, because you can smoke your weed, and everything suddenly is cool.
Holger Danske
01-05-2014, 09:51
Since CO is paving the way with these new MJ laws we may need some adjustments with more common sense laws.
1. MJ is dangerous we need to implement background checks to make sure that it doesn't fall into the wrong hands
2. College students are at risk and can't make decisions for themselves. We need a law banning dangerous MJ on campus.
3. 1 oz baggies are too much. if 1/4 oz works for out of staters is should work for Coloradoans. We need a baggie limit of 1/4 oz to go effective on July 1, 2014.
4. We need to implement a "fee" (read not tax) on every transaction to pad the bridge and road fund or the education fund. Its for the children.
I'm sure everyone agrees that these are common sense measures.
hghclsswhitetrsh
01-05-2014, 10:01
Since CO is paving the way with these new MJ laws we may need some adjustments with more common sense laws.
1. MJ is dangerous we need to implement background checks to make sure that it doesn't fall into the wrong hands
2. College students are at risk and can't make decisions for themselves. We need a law banning dangerous MJ on campus.
3. 1 oz baggies are too much. if 1/4 oz works for out of staters is should work for Coloradoans. We need a baggie limit of 1/4 oz to go effective on July 1, 2014.
4. We need to implement a "fee" (read not tax) on every transaction to pad the bridge and road fund or the education fund. Its for the children.
I'm sure everyone agrees that these are common sense measures.
You forgot to mention that it's for the children again...
Good idea... Who's going to introduce the 15 joint limit in the next session? That's a nice arbitrary number.
Weed should also be non transferable. How is that going to work? Who cares! Think of the children.
RightWing_Extremist
01-05-2014, 10:46
Maybe we can make these degenerate pothead hippies pro gun somehow? Free bag of dope with your first glock purchase
http://kdvr.com/2014/01/04/police-raid-sophisticated-marijuana-grow-operation-in-haswell/
theGinsue
01-05-2014, 11:34
Since CO is paving the way with these new MJ laws we may need some adjustments with more common sense laws.
1. MJ is dangerous we need to implement background checks to make sure that it doesn't fall into the wrong hands
2. College students are at risk and can't make decisions for themselves. We need a law banning dangerous MJ on campus.
3. 1 oz baggies are too much. if 1/4 oz works for out of staters is should work for Coloradoans. We need a baggie limit of 1/4 oz to go effective on July 1, 2014.
4. We need to implement a "fee" (read not tax) on every transaction to pad the bridge and road fund or the education fund. Its for the children.
I'm sure everyone agrees that these are common sense measures.
Good idea... Who's going to introduce the 15 joint limit in the next session? That's a nice arbitrary number.
You forgot to mention: 90% of the mj smokers support these measures.
You forgot to mention: 90% of the mj smokers support these measures.
40% of all sales are made without a background check by "private dealers".
Great-Kazoo
01-05-2014, 15:52
40% of all sales are made without a background check by "private dealers".
If it could save One bag of fritos, Wouldn't it be worth it.
jerrymrc
01-05-2014, 17:35
If it could save One bag of fritos, Wouldn't it be worth it.
Stoners like Doritos. Just saying.[Flower]
You forgot to mention: 90% of the mj smokers support these measures.
Youre right, I'm doing a disservice to the Fudds of the MMJ movement.
I've learned more about weed on a gun blog(?) than I ever learned in H.S. or college...
Hope you smokers ain't packin' high!!!
[cigar]
jerrymrc
01-06-2014, 21:05
I've learned more about weed on a gun blog(?) than I ever learned in H.S. or college...
Hope you smokers ain't packin' high!!!
[cigar]
And you came of age in the 80's and claim to know nothing?[LOL]
I've learned more about weed on a gun blog(?) than I ever learned in H.S. or college...
Hope you smokers ain't packin' high!!!
[cigar]
You're screen name is 83% of the moniker Stoner.
Great-Kazoo
01-06-2014, 21:14
You're screen name is 83% of the moniker Stoner.
Or he passed a kidney stone that weight 83grains. OUCH
His fighting weight in the British MMA league may be 83 Stone.
Great-Kazoo
01-07-2014, 00:00
His fighting weight in the British MMA league may be 83 Stone.
OR he's stone (name / nickname) born in 83
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