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Sitting here waiting to have $900 worth of tires put on my wife's vehicle. Can't get her to respond to phone calls, texts, or face time to come pick me up so I'm sitting here screwing around on my phone. I am listening to these people come in with their problems, complaints, and concerns.
Man, people are idiots.
osok-308
02-15-2014, 16:30
Yeah, people at large can be pretty dumb. Proof is everywhere. For instance; on my deodorant it says "do not apply to eyes" .... REALLY? The worst part when I see things like this is that I know that enough people have tried this that it necessitates a warning NOT to do it.
I was getting some new tires at Discount back in October when we had our first really cold morning. I wish I had a nickel for every person that came in because they had a dashboard indicator saying their tire pressure was low.
The worst part when I see things like this is that I know that enough people have tried this that it necessitates a warning NOT to do it.
All it takes is for 1 idiot to do it and sue because the label didn't specifically say not to.
I was getting some new tires at Discount back in October when we had our first really cold morning. I wish I had a nickel for every person that came in because they had a dashboard indicator saying their tire pressure was low.
My wife whines about that so much in cold weather my standard answer is pretty much STFU now.
The most common complaint today seems to be sliding around on snow and ice. Apparently, if you have new tires you just won't slide on snow and ice.
osok-308
02-15-2014, 17:21
The most common complaint today seems to be sliding around on snow and ice. Apparently, if you have new tires you just won't slide on snow and ice.
Hey, it worked for me, but then again, my tires were as bald as Mr. Clean.
Jeffrey Lebowski
02-15-2014, 17:22
I was getting some new tires at Discount back in October when we had our first really cold morning. I wish I had a nickel for every person that came in because they had a dashboard indicator saying their tire pressure was low.
I wish I (my wife) didn't have those sensors. This is a current gen Wrangler. Ours went on yesterday. Apparently, they only last about 3 years is what she told me. I checked (and filled) all four tires to the point she'll be lucky to not be bouncing down the road. Still with the indicator light. I miss my old YJ.
blacklabel
02-15-2014, 17:25
I was getting some new tires at Discount back in October when we had our first really cold morning. I wish I had a nickel for every person that came in because they had a dashboard indicator saying their tire pressure was low.
Hah. They need to go take 6th grade physical science again.
Thankfully we buy ours wholsale and install ourselves.
tmleadr03
02-15-2014, 18:29
I wish I (my wife) didn't have those sensors. This is a current gen Wrangler. Ours went on yesterday. Apparently, they only last about 3 years is what she told me. I checked (and filled) all four tires to the point she'll be lucky to not be bouncing down the road. Still with the indicator light. I miss my old YJ.
Tpms is a pain in the ass. Thank you federal mandate.
Tpms is a pain in the ass. Thank you federal mandate.
I didn't realize the tpms was a federally mandates thing.
You'd think mandating drl's would make more sense.
Never mind. I understand now.
The DRL's are just a safety thing.
The TPMS has more to do with vehicle emissions.
My bad.
. For instance; on my deodorant it says "do not apply to eyes" .... REALLY? The worst part when I see things like this is that I know that enough people have tried this that it necessitates a warning NOT to do it.
Actually, I think that means that someone in either CA/NY/FL has done it with the intention of suing the manufacturer for a fat sum of money. Thank your local attorney for such warnings, if they didn't take frivolous lawsuits forward, we wouldn't have half the absurd warning labels that we now do.
Never mind. I understand now.
The DRL's are just a safety thing.
The TPMS has more to do with vehicle emissions.
My bad.
Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems (TPMS) have nothing to do with emissions. It is a safety thing mandated after Ford underinflated Firestone tires that kept blowing. I have it on my Z and swap tires for the weather. The wheels for the snow tires don't have the TPMS and the light is on constantly. I do like it on the summer rims since those tires have short sidewalls and don't budge when low or flat.
Yeah, people at large can be pretty dumb. Proof is everywhere. For instance; on my deodorant it says "do not apply to eyes" .... REALLY? The worst part when I see things like this is that I know that enough people have tried this that it necessitates a warning NOT to do it.
We need a new law that says if you use a product in a way that it doesn't say how to on the label, the manufacturer is not liable for any injury or death from mis-use. We need to stop trying to keep stupid people from doing stupid things and hurting themselves. Darwinism exists for a reason, we should not stand in the way.
Rooskibar03
02-15-2014, 19:12
I didn't realize the tpms was a federally mandates thing.
You'd think mandating drl's would make more sense.
Thought they had something to do with our friends at Ford and Firestone but never confirmed that.
KestrelBike
02-15-2014, 19:12
I was getting some new tires at Discount back in October when we had our first really cold morning. I wish I had a nickel for every person that came in because they had a dashboard indicator saying their tire pressure was low.
That was me. 5mi further down the hwy, that 0.5" diameter screw embedded in my tire told the truth!
My wife now knows what the tire pressure warning light looks like. She just doesn't know how far she drove with the light on. Based on the tire, I'd say she drove on it a while. Hence the new tires.
[facepalm]
clublights
02-15-2014, 20:03
As a Motorcycle rider I do not like cars having DRL's...
it negates all the added safety of them when everyone has them.
blacklabel
02-15-2014, 20:28
Daytime running lights
hollohas
02-15-2014, 20:29
I was getting some new tires at Discount back in October when we had our first really cold morning. I wish I had a nickel for every person that came in because they had a dashboard indicator saying their tire pressure was low.
During one of the last cold snaps, I was watching 9news interview people about the cold. They were talking to some girl who was in the act adding air to her tires at a gas station. She said "it's weird, every time it gets cold my tires LEAK".
Someone took the time to teach that gal that checking tire pressure is important but apparently failed to teach her the finer points of the subject.
And I guess TPMS is Totally Pre Menstral Synd.
hollohas
02-15-2014, 20:31
Regarding TPMS, mine allows you to set the warning light to whatever pressure you want. They all don't do that?
I don't necessarily like Daytime Running Lights, but I ALWAYS have my lights on.
blacklabel
02-15-2014, 20:46
Regarding TPMS, mine allows you to set the warning light to whatever pressure you want. They all don't do that?
My truck's manual just says that it throws the warning light when the pressure is "low". I'm assuming that's under the suggested pressure for the stock tires although you can teach it a new pressure but it's not a simple process.
As a Motorcycle rider I do not like cars having DRL's...
it negates all the added safety of them when everyone has them.
The point is to see the cars in low visibility situations that wouldn't necessarily need full headlights. Things like twilight hours, fog, etc...
I don't necessarily like Daytime Running Lights, but I ALWAYS have my lights on.
So... You run your lights during the daytime but don't like daytime running lights? [Coffee]
clublights
02-15-2014, 21:01
The point is to see the cars in low visibility situations that wouldn't necessarily need full headlights. Things like twilight hours, fog, etc...
Not my understanding....
DRL's on car's are for the same reason as motorcycles have had them for 30+ years ... to make them stand out more and appear closer then they are to help prevent accidents.
however I believe that if everyone has them that safety boost is negated. and therefore decreasing rider safety.
On some vehicles, the TPMS light will also turn on if the tire pressure is too high (depends on what the parameter is in the computer).
So... You run your lights during the daytime but don't like daytime running lights? [Coffee]
Yes. I like the option. I see WAY too many dipshits driving with NO lights in situations where they should have them on. I picked up this habit when I worked at a place where I parked in a parking garage. People would fly around in the parking garage and they were difficult to see.
The worst was last night when I saw something FLYING around a hairpin curve by my house. When it got closer I saw it was a 1500 Silverado. I made it clear that they didn't have their lights on, but there is NO way that asshole didn't know. The corner he was flying around was pitch dark. It was probably a stolen vehicle.
I'll turn on my running lights in low visibility, but my car doesn't have DRLs.
Daniel_187
02-15-2014, 22:24
I was just there last month and dropped big coin for my truck tires, let the global warming do its worst.
JohnnyEgo
02-16-2014, 00:12
I've got one sensor that is fidgety. Had it rebuilt, but apparently that is not enough, so it will have to be replaced. Which will be fun, because as much as I love Discount Tire, they screw up the sensor registration every time. I drive off, and the next day, the sensor is blinking. Apparently, they need some kind of special $200 reset tool that they don't have, and swear they don't really need. Fortunately for me, the internet has taught me how to manually register the sensors with a paperclip jammed into the harness.
Also, after three winters of rejecting the idea of buying snow tires for my RWD truck, I finally bit the ($1600) bullet. And all this winter I've been loving the snow and wishing I bought them when I first moved here.
tmleadr03
02-16-2014, 09:02
I've got one sensor that is fidgety. Had it rebuilt, but apparently that is not enough, so it will have to be replaced. Which will be fun, because as much as I love Discount Tire, they screw up the sensor registration every time. I drive off, and the next day, the sensor is blinking. Apparently, they need some kind of special $200 reset tool that they don't have, and swear they don't really need. Fortunately for me, the internet has taught me how to manually register the sensors with a paperclip jammed into the harness.
Also, after three winters of rejecting the idea of buying snow tires for my RWD truck, I finally bit the ($1600) bullet. And all this winter I've been loving the snow and wishing I bought them when I first moved here.
200? I am currently demoing a 1500 dollar tool for my shop to see if I actually want to buy it. Lowest cost one I have seen is ~800. With much less in the feature department.
ETA: 1600? What tires did you get if you don't mind me asking.
Jeffrey Lebowski
02-16-2014, 09:05
Tpms is a pain in the ass. Thank you federal mandate.
I didn't realize the tpms was a federally mandates thing. .
I had no idea either. My truck, also a Chrysler never has the issue, although 2yrs older. Her car doesn't either, but I'm assuming much better quality than jeep.
rockhound
02-16-2014, 09:57
one trick I have seen is to build a pressure tank out of pvc, place the sensors in the tube you can get schrader valve that will fit pvc fittings ( rv supply) fill with the proper pressure, easier to replace when one goes bad and they last longer
BPTactical
02-16-2014, 10:00
Not my understanding....
DRL's on car's are for the same reason as motorcycles have had them for 30+ years ... to make them stand out more and appear closer then they are to help prevent accidents.
however I believe that if everyone has them that safety boost is negated. and therefore decreasing rider safety.
Nope, it's a carryover from the Canucks. They have had them mandated for a long time now and it is easier for the manufacturers to put them on all vehicles instead of having Canada only models.
streetglideok
02-16-2014, 11:29
200? I am currently demoing a 1500 dollar tool for my shop to see if I actually want to buy it. Lowest cost one I have seen is ~800. With much less in the feature department.
ETA: 1600? What tires did you get if you don't mind me asking.
On a lot of domestics, you can get by with the cheaper TPMS tools. I have a snap-on TPMS1 I think, wasa repo that I snagged for $150 a few years ago. Works good for GMs, etc. Shop has one of the $1k plus tools that uploads the registration info to the module on foreign brands.
streetglideok
02-16-2014, 11:33
I picked up the habit of running with my lights on from driving a semi. You would think with a giant Omaha orange semi, you would be seen in the day. Naaw, not at all. As a result, I run my headlights on nearly anytime I'm driving, day, night, twilight, fog, any time. Even if everyone runs their headlights on, the lights are bright enough to grab your attention, even in the day. It's good safety practice, and I think if one did the research, people who do this have reduced, if not greatly reduced incidents of wrecks from other drivers hitting them.
Aloha_Shooter
02-16-2014, 20:19
I remember articles from 25 years ago talking about how DRLs reduced incidents of collision so I always ran with the headlights on even before having DRLs. I don't think automobiles using DRLs increases the chances of accident for motorcycles.
JohnnyEgo
02-16-2014, 23:14
200? I am currently demoing a 1500 dollar tool for my shop to see if I actually want to buy it. Lowest cost one I have seen is ~800. With much less in the feature department.
ETA: 1600? What tires did you get if you don't mind me asking.
Sounds worse than it is. Something or other 'Blizzaks' mounted on the cheapest rims they could source for my Nissan Titan, which has some relatively odd tire or lugnut size or something. The rims were $140/per.
The tool is not the TPMS tool itself. It is some sort of pig-tail device specific to the Nissan. I guess you hook it into the auxiliary harness on the truck, and then into your higher-priced tire reset gizmo. Without using it, the tire sensors lose their registration after you turn off the car. Whatever it does can't be worth $200, since you can simulate it's effects with a paper clip and setting your tires to four different pressures.
Why did you need new wheels as well?
JohnnyEgo
02-17-2014, 00:03
Because I am uninterested in carting them in and paying someone to mount them every year, since I can't do it myself, and I don't want to have to do it when the weather has turned to crap. This way, I can slap them on or off on my own time.
Great-Kazoo
02-17-2014, 00:16
Why did you need new wheels as well?
Don't you have snows on separate rims? It's more up front, but so much easier to deal with.
Great-Kazoo
02-17-2014, 00:19
Thought they had something to do with our friends at Ford and Firestone but never confirmed that.
Running joke back in the late 70- 80's. What's the safest car on the road? Ford Pinto with 721's
Don't you have snows on separate rims? It's more up front, but so much easier to deal with.
I have all seasons on the factory rims, but I've been debating on getting a 2nd set of sensors, or just swapping them back and forth. I'm thinking I might just put all seasons on my other set of rims, and leave the current set without sensors for track use.
clublights
02-17-2014, 01:37
As this NHTSA study shows ( from 1998) the effectiveness of the Third Brake light had fallen from 36%( during testing) to 4% by 1995.
The Long-Term Effectiveness of Center High Mounted Stop Lamps ... (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CGIQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov%2FPubs%2F808696.pdf&ei=8LoBU9HUCoWyygG20oDQCA&usg=AFQjCNE-Qe-z3Oq78aUTx6X7bxSOPc45Dw&sig2=YUlIER5wd4igiIyjSJhI1Q)
The study does not speculate why ( not that I saw during a quick read at least) but here my opinion .. when it was uncommon it stuck out and people noticed once it became commonplace it lost it's effectiveness because it became "normal"
DRL if mandatory will become common place and all the advantages they give will be lost . just like the 3rd brake light. this will of course have the largest effect on motorcyclist since the whole reason they have the headlight on anytime they are running is to increase safety by making them stick out. once they are just a light in a sea of lights.. blam no more safety advantage.
The most common complaint today seems to be sliding around on snow and ice. Apparently, if you have new tires you just won't slide on snow and ice.
Try working on commercial equipment for a living. Evidently 9/32 of tread is bald because the snowy roads are slippery.
We need a new law that says...
Darwinism exists for a reason, we should not stand in the way.
Hmm.
...DRL if mandatory will become common place and all the advantages they give will be lost . just like the 3rd brake light. this will of course have the largest effect on motorcyclist since the whole reason they have the headlight on anytime they are running is to increase safety by making them stick out. once they are just a light in a sea of lights.. blam no more safety advantage. There is another safety aspect to running with lights on in daytime. Having your lights on make a vehicle flat out easier to see. It isn't that you "stick out" of the crowd, it's that in some driving conditions you disappear into the background. With lights on your car sticks out of the background, not out of the other cars. I don't think the safety aspect of running with lights on will decrease over time.
tmleadr03
02-17-2014, 07:19
Sounds worse than it is. Something or other 'Blizzaks' mounted on the cheapest rims they could source for my Nissan Titan, which has some relatively odd tire or lugnut size or something. The rims were $140/per.
The tool is not the TPMS tool itself. It is some sort of pig-tail device specific to the Nissan. I guess you hook it into the auxiliary harness on the truck, and then into your higher-priced tire reset gizmo. Without using it, the tire sensors lose their registration after you turn off the car. Whatever it does can't be worth $200, since you can simulate it's effects with a paper clip and setting your tires to four different pressures.
Looks about right.
http://www.tirerack.com/snow/preferredpackages.jsp
ChadAmberg
02-17-2014, 09:56
As this NHTSA study shows ( from 1998) the effectiveness of the Third Brake light had fallen from 36%( during testing) to 4% by 1995.
The Long-Term Effectiveness of Center High Mounted Stop Lamps ... (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CGIQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov%2FPubs%2F808696.pdf&ei=8LoBU9HUCoWyygG20oDQCA&usg=AFQjCNE-Qe-z3Oq78aUTx6X7bxSOPc45Dw&sig2=YUlIER5wd4igiIyjSJhI1Q)
The study does not speculate why ( not that I saw during a quick read at least) but here my opinion .. when it was uncommon it stuck out and people noticed once it became commonplace it lost it's effectiveness because it became "normal"
DRL if mandatory will become common place and all the advantages they give will be lost . just like the 3rd brake light. this will of course have the largest effect on motorcyclist since the whole reason they have the headlight on anytime they are running is to increase safety by making them stick out. once they are just a light in a sea of lights.. blam no more safety advantage.
Look at all the cars where the third brake light are automatically on flashers now. I admit to noticing them while not ever "noticing" normal 3rd brake lights consciously anymore.
I tend to focus on 3rd brake lights more because they seem to last longer than the side brake lights. Also it could be because I'm looking through the car in front of me to watch the visible brake lights of the car in front of them. :p
clublights
02-17-2014, 14:48
Look at all the cars where the third brake light are automatically on flashers now. I admit to noticing them while not ever "noticing" normal 3rd brake lights consciously anymore.
And How long till we stop noticing those ?
This is another pull over from the motorcycle world .. tho not a standard thing or regulated I know guys that have been putting modulators on bike brake lights since the 90's at least.
I tend to focus on 3rd brake lights more because they seem to last longer than the side brake lights. Also it could be because I'm looking through the car in front of me to watch the visible brake lights of the car in front of them. :p
Same here .. and will mess me up when they have a burnt out one LOL !!
I think I spend more time looking at the car in front of the car I'm behind then the car in front of me .. and boy do I hate cars that I can't see around ( cargo vans with no windows some SUV's or anything with super dark tint and too wide to see around)
Was behind a car last week that had only 1 side out of the 3 brake lights that worked...and they loved to tap the brake pedal. It looked more like they were signalling than slowing. [facepalm]
I like DRLs. There are enough people not paying attention. They're busy doing something else, they just happen to be driving.
TPMS hasn't bothered me and has been more helpful than a hindrance, particularly on my current sedan with low profile tires. When I get my tires replaced, I have the TPMS sensors serviced at the same time.
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