View Full Version : Snowmobiler kills aggressive moose...YouTube generation cries
ZERO THEORY
02-26-2014, 17:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImgFG0kMQ88
SuperiorDG
02-26-2014, 17:04
At least I know my G20 will do the job.
Moose are big, mean, stupid, and utterly unafraid of pretty much anything. They scare me more than bears do, honestly. That being said, he could probably have scared it off before it charged the second time by putting a couple of rounds into the ground.
If they couldn't retreat or avoid the angry beast, then I have no issue with defending himself. The video however, does not show any attempt to go around or retreat from the animal.... anyone know if there is more to the story?
Off the trail makes you slow on a sleds and is illegal in some areas. Reverse if they have it is slow. There were people behind him possibly his children?
He yelled. Made himself big. Reved the sled. Fired the first shot after the attack and paused before the animal continued to charged a second time.
He did everything reasonable.
newracer
02-26-2014, 17:28
There was a least one person behind him. I think it was a good shoot.
Rooskibar03
02-26-2014, 17:30
Wouldn't the humane thing be to put the animal down? You've wounded it, be it right or wrong, at least put it out of its misery.
"it's coming right for us"
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Retreat to safety and asses your wounds. Adrenaline makes you ignore things. Based on its falling and thrashing. Itd be dead soon.
clodhopper
02-26-2014, 17:38
He had wounds on his ass?
Moose are big, mean, stupid, and utterly unafraid of pretty much anything. They scare me more than bears do, honestly. That being said, he could probably have scared it off before it charged the second time by putting a couple of rounds into the ground.
I agree on both points.
No Disney ending this time but i can not fault him for what he did.
XC700116
02-26-2014, 17:54
As an avid snowmobiler, this guy had a PILE of options besides shooting it. Did you see the other tracks off into the woods? and the fact that where the trail comes out has tracks dispersing in multiple direcitons along with the trail condition/type screams that this area isn't a "stick to the trail area". He also had a LOT of time/oportunity to change direction or route before encountering the animal, He didn't need to ride right up to it he could have given himself a LOT of time by stopping when it was first seen, it was obvious the moose was usning the trail.
NOW that said, I'm not all torn up about the moose getting shot, they taste great :D
The REALLY stupid part, and what pisses me off, about the whole thing though is posting that shit on Youtube, which IMO immediately qualifies him for douchebag status.
We have a tough enough battle as firearms owners, snowmobilers (land getting shut down to us constantly), and hunters in general. We sure as hell don't need captain commando posting his helmet cam video on the internet as a poster child for questionable behavior involving all 3 activities.
ChunkyMonkey
02-26-2014, 18:10
The REALLY stupid part, and what pisses me off, about the whole thing though is posting that shit on Youtube, which IMO immediately qualifies him for douchebag status. .
+1.. we dont know who posted it, maybe his kid? But yep, this is something I wouldn't want anyone to see whether I on the right or not.
RblDiver
02-26-2014, 18:10
Indeed, angle of the shot doesn't really show much behind (like kids, other trails, etc), but it does seem like he had other options, particularly at the beginning when he saw it, clapped, then continued moving towards it. Feeling very ambiguous about this one.
Right or wrong, the situation deteriorated to the point where he had no choice but to shoot... I'm more aghast at the idiotic YT comments, I guess everyone's an expert..
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ruthabagah
02-26-2014, 18:18
This was totally warranted. I used to live in QC and covered 100 of miles of trails in snowmobile each winter (long, long effin winters...). I encountered brown bears and caribou several times, and they would ALWAYS let us pass or move out of the way. This moose was maybe defending a calf but yet, it's an animal, not endangered and it showed aggressiveness toward a human being. I would have done the same.
Now, of course you could argue that Canadian wildlife is more courteous....eh
XC700116
02-26-2014, 18:19
+1.. we dont know who posted it, maybe his kid? But yep, this is something I wouldn't want anyone to see whether I on the right or not.
Possible, but I know if I were that guy, the FIRST thing I'd do is erase that footage from the SD card on that camera, and make it abundantly clear to anyone that was with, that it was not to be flaunted about the internet or any other venue.
XC700116
02-26-2014, 18:20
Now, of course you could argue that Canadian wildlife is more courteous....eh
[ROFL2] Molsen for you [Beer]
OtterbatHellcat
02-26-2014, 18:30
+1.. we dont know who posted it, maybe his kid? But yep, this is something I wouldn't want anyone to see whether I on the right or not.
This..^^
That whole thing didn't need to play out the way it did either, IMO.
Monday morning quarterback whether he was "right" or "wrong" to engage the moose all you want. Just goes to show you, caliber size is irrelevant...it's all about shot placement. To me that's more important. Way I see it, the moose attacked him first. I'll be sure to apply the same quarterback comments when a person attacks you.
cap'n cook
02-26-2014, 20:11
i think it was justified for the most part, but that being said he still had other options. if it was me i would have drawn my weapon about the same time he did, but i would have tried to scare it away a little more. after the first attack if the moose even looked at me funny again i would have taken it out, accept i would have quartered that thing and took it home and erased that video.
RonMexico
02-26-2014, 20:18
I am not an animal love and would love to shoot a moose with a legal tag but I believe this ride is wrong. He approached it.... Maybe if the video showed him waiting 10 mins or the moose approaching him that he would have been justified after the second charge.
All I got out of it, is that there is a tasty moose somewhere out in the frozen forest waiting to be eaten.... Who wants to go find some meat?
See and I just keep trying to find out what model glock that was.
I'm on the fence about it but if a moose just went Kung foo panda on me I would probably have done the same
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Twenty-five comments and not one about how his gun was unloaded to start?
KevDen2005
02-26-2014, 20:56
Right or wrong, the situation deteriorated to the point where he had no choice but to shoot... I'm more aghast at the idiotic YT comments, I guess everyone's an expert..
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Oh, that's why I watch YouTube. I love the comments.
RonMexico
02-26-2014, 21:04
Twenty-five comments and not one about how his gun was unloaded to start?
It was loaded, just not chambered [Coffee]
Snowmobile guy was going Israeli-style...
Whistler
02-26-2014, 21:17
Tasty animal, put it on the pit! Not like it was a dog or something... [gohome]
10mm-man
02-26-2014, 21:18
No reason, for the shoot. He was the aggressor; should have sat , and waited to see if the lil moos went about his business. I hate to see majestic animals wasted for no reason!! If I was the Moose, and some little dude, on a noisy machine challenged me; I'd do the same.
Yes, I am an animal lover! I love to watch them, I love to eat them, and I love to shoot them to fill the fridge. No need to waste, an animal! Yes i am part of PETA (people eating tasty animals).. [Coffee]
ZERO THEORY
02-26-2014, 21:20
Snowmobile guy was going Israeli-style...
I've actually seen genuine comments from people convinced they can carry unchambered due to that one video. I can't even begin to understand that line of reasoning.
See and I just keep trying to find out what model glock that was.
I'm on the fence about it but if a moose just went Kung foo panda on me I would probably have done the same
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If I had to guess I'd sat a model 29.
As an avid snowmobiler, this guy had a PILE of options besides shooting it. Did you see the other tracks off into the woods? and the fact that where the trail comes out has tracks dispersing in multiple direcitons along with the trail condition/type screams that this area isn't a "stick to the trail area". He also had a LOT of time/oportunity to change direction or route before encountering the animal, He didn't need to ride right up to it he could have given himself a LOT of time by stopping when it was first seen, it was obvious the moose was usning the trail.
NOW that said, I'm not all torn up about the moose getting shot, they taste great :D
The REALLY stupid part, and what pisses me off, about the whole thing though is posting that shit on Youtube, which IMO immediately qualifies him for douchebag status.
We have a tough enough battle as firearms owners, snowmobilers (land getting shut down to us constantly), and hunters in general. We sure as hell don't need captain commando posting his helmet cam video on the internet as a poster child for questionable behavior involving all 3 activities.
Looks like this was recorded on a gopro. Very wide field of view, and likely mounted on a helmet which already cuts into your periphery vision. Combined with likely tunnel vision facing a threat, his sight probably went as far to the sides as the trees in front of him.
I've actually seen genuine comments from people convinced they can carry unchambered due to that one video. I can't even begin to understand that line of reasoning.
I'm right there with you. I have a couple of good friends in another state who about shat chickens when they saw me carrying my 1911 cocked & locked with a round in the chamber. They understood once I showed them the firearm was designed to be carried in that condition. I also explained that time is money in a gunfight and you want every advantage you can get.
If I had to guess I'd sat a model 29.
I'm guessing that or a 30
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HoneyBadger
02-26-2014, 21:33
Not bad shooting after getting a knuckle sandwich from a moose!
DSB OUTDOORS
02-26-2014, 21:42
IMHO the guy was a Douche Bag!! He had plenty of options. He egged the Moose on so he could get moving. The Young Moose was standing his ground because that's what they do. After the 1st and ONLY advance, the guy was probably pissed because it damaged ?? the snowmobile. The Moose backed off a great deal after that before the DB fired the shots.
I was charged by my Moose back in 2007. I was hunting it. I had a tag for it. Male big moose. 41" rack. 1,100 Lbs or so. It saw me. It charged, I fired. It died. No loss of meat, beautiful mount, memory's for life time.
This Dick. In a hurry. Pussy whup, whup, whup, calling?? WTF?? Wait it out. No Whup. No nothing. Look enjoy and the young Moose would have wondered off. But that's just me! Fu*k this Asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not bad shooting after getting a knuckle sandwich from a moose!
Did you just say "moose knuckle sandwich"?
He's lucky it was a moose and not a bear. A bear would not have backed off the first attack to give him time to chamber a round. I can't tell at what point he noticed the moose. You can not put most snowmobiles in reverse, most don't have it. In all my days on sleds when you are timber bashing if you step off the running board of the sled in back country you will sink six feet in loose snow. Bottom line no way to retreat and I would not wait for a second attack, bang over.
HoneyBadger
02-26-2014, 22:37
Did you just say "moose knuckle sandwich"?
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GilpinGuy
02-27-2014, 01:20
IMHO the guy was a Douche Bag!! He had plenty of options. He egged the Moose on so he could get moving. The Young Moose was standing his ground because that's what they do. After the 1st and ONLY advance, the guy was probably pissed because it damaged ?? the snowmobile. The Moose backed off a great deal after that before the DB fired the shots.
I was charged by my Moose back in 2007. I was hunting it. I had a tag for it. Male big moose. 41" rack. 1,100 Lbs or so. It saw me. It charged, I fired. It died. No loss of meat, beautiful mount, memory's for life time.
This Dick. In a hurry. Pussy whup, whup, whup, calling?? WTF?? Wait it out. No Whup. No nothing. Look enjoy and the young Moose would have wondered off. But that's just me! Fu*k this Asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with this. The guy advanced toward the moose TWICE. Jackass. Just sit and enjoy the beautiful animal for a minute or two for Christ's sake. If he doesn't go away (unlikely) make a bunch of BIG noise - not "woooop woooop" pussy bitch noises. This video made me sad. I just hope that someone harvested the damn meat.
Good thing he didn't use a .45 1911 or that moose would have EXPLODED! Would have made a helluva mess!
Seriously, I think he probably could have avoided it too by just waiting it out a few minutes. That's what smokes are for. I do hope he at least called it in and reported it.
I don't think I would have put myself in that position with the moose. I was also under the impression that the guy was just impatient. I wasn't there, so who knows.
Anyway, good thing the moose wasn't this aggressive.
KrhfClIcfYM
RCCrawler
02-27-2014, 08:32
Great job racking his slide with his finger in the trigger guard.
speedysst
02-27-2014, 09:44
So if a human was in your yard, yelling at you, you would not show the least bit of aggressiveness?
This was totally warranted. I used to live in QC and covered 100 of miles of trails in snowmobile each winter (long, long effin winters...). I encountered brown bears and caribou several times, and they would ALWAYS let us pass or move out of the way. This moose was maybe defending a calf but yet, it's an animal, not endangered and it showed aggressiveness toward a human being. I would have done the same.
Now, of course you could argue that Canadian wildlife is more courteous....eh
My only issue with this is that he left the moose still writhing in pain. If you are going to shoot an animal have the courage and decency to end it's life quickly and with as little suffering as possible.
My only issue with this is that he left the moose still writhing in pain. If you are going to shoot an animal have the courage and decency to end it's life quickly and with as little suffering as possible.
This was my first thought too but that's kind of playing Monday morning QB w/o an adrenaline dump to skew judgement. After thinking further about it, from a Devil's Advocate perspective, I bet he genuinely felt threatened after being bicycle kicked and charged one more time so he was probably just trying to neutralize the threat and flee the situation. Once he stopped though maybe he turned back to make sure the animal was put out of it's misery. Dunno. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and thank him for not posting up the 'anchor' shot if that was indeed the case because that would have REALLY caused the internet to break.
That being said, HE is the one that fucked up as it seemed to be a young bull which was just learning how to protect territory and feeling out new hormones and such. The noises he made were pointless and the biggest language that thing read were his continual charges towards him. Forward a little and then stop, forward a little then stop. In the animal kingdom this is a threat by something that is actually scared and he took it as a sign of a weaker adversary that may have been encroaching on his territory. I don't hate the guy for the ultimate decision he made I just hate that he seemed to put himself in that position in the first place. He could have just sat still when the moose was off at a distance and he likely would have just passed peacefully until he started hooted, hollering, revving and (most importantly) simulating what the moose obviously saw as a mock charge. The moose was just doing what a moose does generally speaking. If that was another young bull moose of similar size he would have reacted the same way and the other moose would have matched or backed down. Either way they would have settled dominance with likely no harm being done. I don't know that I call the guy a douche for posting the video up as it gives us all a chance to view the material, sum up the situation and hopefully make better decisions if we're ever faced with something similar with less time for critical thought.
rockhound
02-27-2014, 12:48
ok, reading the title is am thinking hell yes i might kill an angry moose that was attacking me, 1000 lb bull moose is very likely to kill me.
seriously that was a baby, was it angry yeah it was, but i dont believe this guy was in mortal danger...
now if momma is still hanging around and pissed that you have threatened the youngster, then you have a situation on your hands.
HoneyBadger
02-27-2014, 13:57
Good comments Jer. I agree. The moose was just being a moose and he was giving it all the wrong signals.
HoneyBadger
02-27-2014, 14:36
Not bad shooting after getting a knuckle sandwich from a moose!
Did you just say "moose knuckle sandwich"?
Really? Nobody else got that? [gohome]
jimmym40a2
02-27-2014, 15:16
Should of backed up and went around. It was not necessary.
The moose paid for the shooters impatience and stupidity.
68Charger
02-27-2014, 16:44
He's lucky it was a moose and not a bear. A bear would not have backed off the first attack to give him time to chamber a round. I can't tell at what point he noticed the moose. You can not put most snowmobiles in reverse, most don't have it. In all my days on sleds when you are timber bashing if you step off the running board of the sled in back country you will sink six feet in loose snow. Bottom line no way to retreat and I would not wait for a second attack, bang over.
Don't underestimate moose- while this wasn't a large one, more people are killed in Canadia by Moose than by bear.... they can be very dangerous.
That being said, having been that close (before the charge) to moose in Alaska before (and much bigger), I think he could have done many other things to avoid killing the moose. I agree with others that he was impatient... I wouldn't charge him with a crime, but I just don't think it was the best judgement.
XC700116
02-27-2014, 17:18
He's lucky it was a moose and not a bear. A bear would not have backed off the first attack to give him time to chamber a round. I can't tell at what point he noticed the moose. You can not put most snowmobiles in reverse, most don't have it. In all my days on sleds when you are timber bashing if you step off the running board of the sled in back country you will sink six feet in loose snow. Bottom line no way to retreat and I would not wait for a second attack, bang over.
Actually Yes you can, nearly EVERY new model sled has reverse, and I KNOW FOR A FACT that 09-2011 Ski-doo he was riding has reverse. He was on a packed trail, the Moose was on that trail for a reason (it's easier walking). Ect.
Just sayin.
Not having one chambered was a poor choice.
hopefully he called DOW and let them know what happened and didn't just leave it.
other than that, good shoot
I don't think I would have put myself in that position with the moose. I was also under the impression that the guy was just impatient. I wasn't there, so who knows.
Anyway, good thing the moose wasn't this aggressive.
KrhfClIcfYM
Holy crap, you have to watch this, then the ones after it. They put a go pro on the sheep! Fucking hilarious!!!!
Really? Nobody else got that? [gohome]
Yeah, we got it. It's a frightening, disgusting thought, and I personally won't let it enter my head. Gives me the willies.
What, all the new sleds have reverse, now I know I'm old, I'm just not familiar with the new sleds. I've owned four different ones over the years and we had access to Yamaha demos back in the day, pre 2000. Reverse was an option that nobody I rode with wanted due to the extra weight, reverse required a transmission. Reverse was something that was always on rental sleds though, I was told tourists expect to back up. My comment about a bear was just that I don't think a bear would give up until you were dead and never would have backed off like the moose did. Therefore, you would not have a chance to chamber a round with a bear, I know a moose is just as deadly.
Holy crap, you have to watch this, then the ones after it. They put a go pro on the sheep! Fucking hilarious!!!!
Oh man those are great!
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XC700116
02-28-2014, 10:29
What, all the new sleds have reverse, now I know I'm old, I'm just not familiar with the new sleds. I've owned four different ones over the years and we had access to Yamaha demos back in the day, pre 2000. Reverse was an option that nobody I rode with wanted due to the extra weight, reverse required a transmission. Reverse was something that was always on rental sleds though, I was told tourists expect to back up. My comment about a bear was just that I don't think a bear would give up until you were dead and never would have backed off like the moose did. Therefore, you would not have a chance to chamber a round with a bear, I know a moose is just as deadly.
Yeap, its now done with no weight penalty or mechanical complexity. You hit a button and it kills the ignition and fires again at a drasticly advanced timing right before it stops running. This literally fires the motor backwards and it starts running in reverse rotation. Obviously this is only done on 2strokes but that still encompasses roughly 85% of current sales. The 4 stokes still need a "gearbox" to accomplish it.
Is it just me, or is the video gone now? I'm seeing a notice it's been removed.
RblDiver
02-28-2014, 12:30
Yeah, I see a "Violated TOS" message now.
You tube blocked the video.
Here is another source:
http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/video-snowmobiler-shoots-moose-glock/
He could have avoided the conflict had he gone the another way, or stayed back. Instead he advanced on the moose twice. The moose was obviously anxious the first time.
Unless there was an emergency to force his way past the moose he should have given the moose a chance to move on and enjoy the moment.
The guy escalated the situation.
UrbanWolf
02-28-2014, 13:57
The part I don't get is if he was trying to scare it off by yelling and clapping, why did he move toward it?
Holy crap, you have to watch this, then the ones after it. They put a go pro on the sheep! Fucking hilarious!!!!
What an angry bastard of an animal... I like how they bribed him with bread to mount the camera. [ROFL1]
BushMasterBoy
02-28-2014, 21:18
I guess the shooter didn't read this pamphlet...
http://wildlife.state.co.us/SiteCollectionDocuments/DOW/WildlifeSpecies/Mammals/Moosesnowmobilebrochure.pdf
DSB OUTDOORS
02-28-2014, 21:52
Moose Are Often Seen On Snowmobile Trails
Moose Attacks Are Serious!
Moose are not frightened by snowmobiles, ATVs, or
other vehicles. They will stand their ground and possibly
charge. Do not chase, harass, or pursue wildlife on foot,
a snowmobile or any other vehicle.
Moose often travel on packed trails and will avoid
deeper snow adjacent to trails. If you encounter a
moose on a trail, use an alternate route or allow the
moose time to leave the area.
Colorado Parks and Wildlife suggests viewing moose
from a distance, and being prepared with a camera,
binoculars and/or a spotting scope.
Thank you BushMasterBoy!!!! The dude is a Fu*k stain!!!!! End of story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S................Ask me how I really feel about this!!!!!!!! [Muaha]
whitbaby
03-01-2014, 10:56
Is it just me, or is the video gone now? I'm seeing a notice it's been removed.
Checkout: http://www.wideopenspaces.com/snowmobiler-shoots-moose/
I guess the shooter didn't read this pamphlet...
http://wildlife.state.co.us/SiteCollectionDocuments/DOW/WildlifeSpecies/Mammals/Moosesnowmobilebrochure.pdf
Thanks, BMB. Here's the poster as a jpg file so it can be easily read.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g292/COHummer/Guns/Hunting/Moosesnowmobilebrochure_zps0a010dd2.jpg (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/COHummer/media/Guns/Hunting/Moosesnowmobilebrochure_zps0a010dd2.jpg.html)
Let's be clear, this was an inexcusable provocation and killing of a calf moose. The aggressor was the dumbass snowmobiler who saw the calf on the trail, stopped, gunned his engine and started barking like a dog. What did he expect was going to happen? Then, instead of taking an adjacent track and moving away as was his legal obligation, he advanced on the calf twice in deliberate acts of aggression. The moose calf defended itself and it's territory as moose do with a parrying blow, then ran off. Instead of driving away from the animal, the idiot then shoots at the calf, prompting another defensive charge, whereupon the shooter empties his Glock on it.
The shooter was the perpetrator and could have avoided the situation at any time up to the point he pulled the trigger. All he ever had to do was wait, or drive around.
In CO, he would face a $1500 fine and possible confiscation of the property he used in commission of the crime, including the snowmobile and pistol. Wouldn't be any different in another state. Word is that Wyoming Fish & Game is investigating the video as evidence of a wildlife crime.
What that d-bag shooter did was stupid, dangerous, completely avoidable, illegal and extremely irresponsible. Idiot shooters like that reflect badly on responsible gun owners. Guys on this forum shouldn't be defending his thoughtless, irresponsible and unlawful conduct.
The snowmobiler did just about everything wrong when approaching a "wild animal".
My first thought, after watching the video, was did he finish off the animal.
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