Ar15 pistols

[sampson]

Don't know much about em. But interested in a ar15 pistol. So I take it u can go shorter barrel on pistol. .no sbr since its not a rifle. How short can u go? How reliable are they? Whats the sweet spot on length? Seen some pics with sig brace. Guess I'm interested on the local take on these regarding gun laws. Thx

[sportbikeco]

I have a 7.5" and it runs great even with steel case ammo.

If I were to do it again I would just build one. Midway had 7.5" barrels for like $120 recently.

I got my upper from red x arms for $315 shipped.

[sportbikeco]

I built it to be short so I went 7.5, I was OK giving up the ballistics for this.

10" would give you better velocity.

12" seems dumb, just get a 14.5 with a pinned fh and have a rifle.

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/223rifle.html

[SideShow Bob]

Every Sig brace comes with a copy of the letter from the alphabet guys with the official (as of now) stance as not An NFA item.
So, until they change their minds, the Sig. Braces are legal. Just keep the letter in your gun case when out shooting in case you run into some uninformed local LE.

[MilehighGS]

My 7.5 runs great with no cycling issues either, including steel case. I built mine from parts bought during Black Friday specials. Very fun to shoot!

[sampson]

Nice .. They do look very fun to shoot. Just seen a few YouTube videos.

[BPTactical]

One of the nicest things about an AR pistol?

Having that silly smile on your face after shooting it.

[cofi]

7.5 is the way to go

My recipe for success has been installing the bcm extractor kits on them they run 100% on everything

[blacklabel]

I got my upper from red x arms for $315 shipped.

I've been thinking about picking one up from them or Karri's.

[sampson]

Checked out the redx site..not many in stock. Only the rxa15 evo ss walkin dead zombie flash hider..kewl

[lex137]

I think I'm going to buy a pistol and add a sig arm brace for a cheaper and faster sbr! I'm thinking of going 10 in barrel though?

[ChunkyMonkey]

I think I'm going to buy a pistol and add a sig arm brace for a cheaper and faster sbr! I'm thinking of going 10 in barrel though?

BCM has a lengthy study that an extra 1".. 11.5" barrel makes a lot of difference in accuracy.

[SuperiorDG]

BCM has a lengthy study that an extra 1".. 11.5" barrel makes a lot of difference in accuracy.

I went with 11.5" for this very reason.

[lex137]

Thanks for the info, will look into this.

[RonMexico]

I think I'm going to buy a pistol and add a sig arm brace for a cheaper and faster sbr! I'm thinking of going 10 in barrel though?
Buy mine, I'll even sell my sig arm brace and pistol buffer

[SideShow Bob]

that an extra 1"....makes a lot of difference

Thats what she said............[LOL]

[ChunkyMonkey]

Thats what she said............[LOL]

You left out the 11.5" part. [LOL]

[SideShow Bob]

You left out the 11.5" part. [LOL]

In your dreams, only in your dreams. Especially since you're an orimental..........

[sampson]

11.5...that might be a bit cumbersome..lol.

[cofi]

BCM has a lengthy study that an extra 1".. 11.5" barrel makes a lot of difference in accuracy.
With my old 7.5 I could sit at 300 yd and hit a idpa target 10/10 and I suck

You lose velocity but not enough to really matter at normal gunfight distances (under 100yd)

[lex137]

Ron if I had the money I would, working out of town eats up any extra money I make.

[ChunkyMonkey]

With my old 7.5 I could sit at 300 yd and hit a idpa target 10/10 and I suck

You lose velocity but not enough to really matter at normal gunfight distances (under 100yd)

Sure.. Imagine how less sucky you are with the better accuracy. ;)



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[electronman1729]

Had a 7.5" ran smooth until the extractor spring wore out, then i replaced with a heavy duty one and it runs fine. Bought as a pistol from a guy called Vanderjack on gunbroker.
41699

[electronman1729]

I plan on converting to this after i recover from my other trust and tax stamp purchase.
41701

[Spdu4ia]

At what point do you have to register it as a SBR? What are the technicalities of adding a stock to the pistol ?

[SouthPaw]

At what point do you have to register it as a SBR? What are the technicalities of adding a stock to the pistol ?

You answered your own question. Once you place a stock on a pistol, it is no longer a pistol but an SBR.

[Great-Kazoo]

At what point do you have to register it as a SBR? What are the technicalities of adding a stock to the pistol ?

http://quarterbore.com/library/pdf_files/shortbarreledriflefaq.pdf


You answered your own question. Once you place a stock on a pistol, it is no longer a pistol but an SBR.

You forgot to mention people who slap a vertical grip on the hand guard. That moves you AR designated Pistol to NFA status. HOWEVER an AFG / Angled fore grip from magpul is allowable, as the ATF does not consider them to be VFG's. Go figure

[SouthPaw]

http://quarterbore.com/library/pdf_files/shortbarreledriflefaq.pdf

You forgot to mention people who slap a vertical grip on the hand guard. That moves you AR designated Pistol to NFA status. HOWEVER an AFG / Angled fore grip from magpul is allowable, as the ATF does not consider them to be VFG's. Go figure

If the OAL is under 26'', then yes.

[blackford76]

Does the receiver have to be marked 'pistol'? Or can I use any old lower-as long as it is a pistol buffer tube?

[SuperiorDG]

Has to transferred as pistol or other never as a rifle lower. If ever been a rifle then always a rifle.

[SideShow Bob]

If the OAL is under 26'', then yes.

Does this OAL include the buffer tube, or is it measured not iincluding the buffer tube ?

[thvigil11]

Buffer tube is included in OAL.

[blackford76]

Has to transferred as pistol or other never as a rifle lower. If ever been a rifle then always a rifle.

Thank you.[Beer]

[sportbikeco]

Has to transferred as pistol or other never as a rifle lower. If ever been a rifle then always a rifle.

Receivers are always "other".

You can build it as a pistol, then build it as a rifle, then build it as a pistol again of you want.

[TheBelly]

I built an AR pistol not too long ago.

10.5" barrel. Other than the optic, it cost me about $800 and about 30 minutes of time to build.

heres a crappy video!

http://youtu.be/21Y6AzIvdgI

[Ah Pook]

Not sure which AR pistol tread to post in.

Not up on these because there was no interest...until I found an 7.5" AR pistol. Yeah, I know, more loudness and muzzle blast... The lower is registered as a lower and nothing else. Thinking of going 300BL.

Does the lower have to be registered as a "pistol" lower? The shop attendant didn't seem to think their was a problem but, as long as it wasn't build into a rifle, didn't know about the pistol lower caveat.

Ideas?

[kidicarus13]

Receivers are always "other".

You can build it as a pistol, then build it as a rifle, then build it as a pistol again of you want.

The BATFE has made it very clear that once a receiver is built into a rifle, whether by a factory or by you, it is always a rifle and converting it to a pistol is illegal. However, it is perfectly legal to build the receiver into a pistol first and then convert it to a rifle. If the receiver is built into a pistol first, you can configure it back and forth from handgun to rifle and back again as much as you want. However, you must be vigilant to ensure that the <16″ barrel is never on the receiver at the same time as a stock.

The proper order for converting an AR pistol to a rifle is to remove the short barrel (usually done by removing the entire upper receiver group), installed the 16″+ barrel (usually done by installing an entire upper receiver group), and then installing the stock. I repeat, the stock and short barrel must never be on the receiver at the same time or you will have created an illegal short barreled rifle (SBR).

The proper order for converting a rifle BACK to an AR pistol is to remove the stock, remove the 16″+ barrel, and finally install the <16″ barrel.

[Goodburbon]

Untrue

Don't just declare it untrue, show evidence or a link to it please.


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[mcantar18c]

I built mine. When the lower came in I made sure to tell the FFL that I was building a pistol and asked they were going to put it down as a pistol (in NC this means I have to bring paperwork to buy it). They said that since its nothing but a lower as it sat, that they weren't putting it down as a pistol or a rifle or anything.

[Stevensje]

Has to transferred as pistol or other never as a rifle lower. If ever been a rifle then always a rifle.

How can a person check of confirm how the lower was transferred? It was done a few years ago.

[kidicarus13]

Don't just declare it untrue, show evidence or a link to it please.


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You were right, I was wrong.

[sportbikeco]

How can a person check of confirm how the lower was transferred? It was done a few years ago.

If you bought the stripped lower new do as you please with it.

[Marine24]

Kicking an older thread. See a AR pistol posted in the Trading Post. What is the logic behind the 12.5" barrel?

Looks like a good build and price is very competitive, but an inch or so longer than the build I was planning.

[Great-Kazoo]

Kicking an older thread. See a AR pistol posted in the Trading Post. What is the logic behind the 12.5" barrel?

Looks like a good build and price is very competitive, but an inch or so longer than the build I was planning.

IMO the upper will make a great SBR. Possibly the seller had a sig brace and has now decided to go a different route.

[Marine24]

Talking with the seller, that was exactly the case. Just don't see any particular advantage of the longer barrel even for an SBR. Might just be the 16", 18" or 20" discussion we have on AR rifles.

[Great-Kazoo]

Talking with the seller, that was exactly the case. Just don't see any particular advantage of the longer barrel even for an SBR. Might just be the 16", 18" or 20" discussion we have on AR rifles.

we run 12.5' one reason was so my AA gas piston was removable w.out having to loosen the gas block. The 11.5 was very nice, just not as user friendly running a gas piston vs. DI Good thing the 106 is a back up.

[Marine24]

Keep hearing about better dwell time and less wear and tear on the AR due to the lower pressures. Makes sense. Heard good things about the DD 10.3" MK18 barrel as well.

[Marine24]

What considerations are there for a flash hider/muzzle brake for an AR pistol or SBR?

Any particular type more appropriate?


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[Great-Kazoo]

What considerations are there for a flash hider/muzzle brake for an AR pistol or SBR?

Any particular type more appropriate?


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What ever works for you. I run an AAC brake . The wife's SBR runs a smith vortex 4 prong f/hider . Have to say the 2nd shot followup is amazing, felt recoil ([LOL]) is next to nothing, noise unlike a brake is also minimal.

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608042325799472598&pid=15.1&P=0

[ray1970]

What considerations are there for a flash hider/muzzle brake for an AR pistol or SBR?

Any particular type more appropriate?


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Whichever one lets you quick attach a suppressor. [Awesom]

[Great-Kazoo]

Whichever one lets you quick attach a suppressor. [Awesom]



let's keep that info ssshhhhh.

[Marine24]

Someone's been reading my letter to Santa. Good to hear that the Vortex flash hider keeps noise levels in check. One of my big questions for a barrel that is 4 to 6" shorter.

[boomerhc9]

The BATFE has made it very clear that once a receiver is built into a rifle, whether by a factory or by you, it is always a rifle and converting it to a pistol is illegal. However, it is perfectly legal to build the receiver into a pistol first and then convert it to a rifle. If the receiver is built into a pistol first, you can configure it back and forth from handgun to rifle and back again as much as you want. However, you must be vigilant to ensure that the <16″ barrel is never on the receiver at the same time as a stock.


Hey guys, just bought my first stripped ar lower tonight (transfered, from a new shop in town that just opened yesterday. (only heard the radio add today)

anyway, the dealer said basicaly the same thing as above, but I did have a question I forgot to get clarified at the shop. I'm going to build this into a pistol first, then buy a seperate rife length upper, and a stock, to switch back and forth in the correct order (thanks atf) for future 3gun. If I were to build another ar into a rifle later on, would I still be in compliance, having a pistol lower, a rifle lower, a few different length uppers, and a stock, all at the same time?

[rondog]

Just curious, but can an AR rifle or carbine be converted to a pistol? Is it even legal to?

No, I have no desire to. I like my AR just fine as-is. Maybe a better trigger someday.

[sportbikeco]

Hey guys, just bought my first stripped ar lower tonight (transfered, from a new shop in town that just opened yesterday. (only heard the radio add today)

anyway, the dealer said basicaly the same thing as above, but I did have a question I forgot to get clarified at the shop. I'm going to build this into a pistol first, then buy a seperate rife length upper, and a stock, to switch back and forth in the correct order (thanks atf) for future 3gun. If I were to build another ar into a rifle later on, would I still be in compliance, having a pistol lower, a rifle lower, a few different length uppers, and a stock, all at the same time?

Yes.

Just curious, but can an AR rifle or carbine be converted to a pistol? Is it even legal to?

No, I have no desire to. I like my AR just fine as-is. Maybe a better trigger someday.

No. (*unless it was a pistol first, either from you building it or the manufacturer)