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A person at church told me today that there may be a resolution going to the state legislature about serial numbering ammunition. I told him I hadn't heard anything about it, and I thought it was probably just rumors.
Has anyone heard of this actually happening?
ChunkyMonkey
05-10-2009, 19:19
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2008&bill=3359
Penn, Hawaii, and Mississippi also have similar state bills being voted on in near future.
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SA Friday
05-10-2009, 21:38
Not serial numbering ammo, but micro stamping. Of course, this is being heavily marketed to Dem's across the USA by the only company that acually makes the very very expensive machinery that would be required by gun manufactures to use.
It's end-around gun control hidden behind the mask of "making it easier" for LE to catch who shot who... Anyone with a lick of sense about guns and acually investigated a homocide would tell you this micrstamp on the case would be WORTHLESS. (BTW, I qualify in both regards.) The next stupid illogical step would be to outlaw reloading or reusing brass to reload.
Here's the rub. You have two basic types of violent offender crime scenes; organized and disorganized. A disorganized offender would typically leave enough evidence of who he is that they would be IDed and caught long before any micro-stamped cartridge analysis and records check would be anything but supporting evidence for court. An organized offender would typically NOT leave the fricken brass on the floor, or remove the microstamping, or use a throw down gun and leave no chain of evidence back to them.
Some crack head, gang banger, scum bag isn't buying their AK's, SKS's, and Jensen's them selves and leaving a paper trail of them owning the gun. Not to mention the itty-bitty fact that steel cased Wolf ammo wouldn't work for micro-stamping anyway. Oh ya, this would kill foreign manufactured and imported guns too...
So, in conclusion... This is simply feel-good "look at how great we are making the world" (and really just f'ing things up because we are idiots) democratic diarreah.
People in these states (unlike CA, who has already passed this sh!# there) need to empower their state reps with some of the basic facts of the uselessness of this or watch the manufacturers of firearms in this country die a slow death from it.
Now people would only use reloaded ammo to commit crimes. that way there is no chance they could be caught and police would simply give up.
only those who use the microstamped ammo would be caught and would be sure to give themselves up...not just file off the pieces that do the markings, or buy replacements, or toss the gun, or....oh wait...here it comes....buy a REVOLVER!
obvious tactics by the dems to try and control everything each person does in their life. I hope the company that is trying to sell this garbage goes under very quickly.
obvious tactics by the dems to try and control everything each person does in their life.
Bush & the GOP did more to get us into the Police/Nanny state then the Dems in the last 15 years.
GunTroll
05-11-2009, 07:54
Bush & the GOP did more to get us into the Police/Nanny state then the Dems in the last 15 years.
Agreed!
But nothing so far here in Colorado correct?
Bush & the GOP did more to get us into the Police/Nanny state then the Dems in the last 15 years.
But how much of that really came from pelosi as speaker of the house.
I truly believe if we could get her out of there things would change drastically for the better.
Everyone likes to blame the guy at the top, but there are too many people below and around Bush that made things bad, but Bush took the blame for it all.
SA Friday
05-11-2009, 10:00
But nothing so far here in Colorado correct?
No nothing here in CO yet, but state laws like this affect every other state. If 25 of the 50 states pass stupidity like this, manufacturers have to make choices, do it, not sell in those states, or just shut down. The anti's win with all three choices. If the manufacturers comply, then the anti's get to go onto the next step in the slow bleed to gun ownership death.
This is how it happened in England. This is how it happened in Australia.
Oh ya, I can't believe I failed to mention this part of it all earlier...
How is LE supposed to figure out who owns the gun that left the microstamped brass? Hypothetically, the law passed, murder occurred, brass was found with a S/N on it. OK, now what? The cops are going to say it's worthless info. Dem's are going to say they now need a central registry of all firearms S/N's and who owns them so LE can match up the info faster.
No nothing here in CO yet, but state laws like this affect every other state. If 25 of the 50 states pass stupidity like this, manufacturers have to make choices, do it, not sell in those states, or just shut down. The anti's win with all three choices. If the manufacturers comply, then the anti's get to go onto the next step in the slow bleed to gun ownership death.
This is how it happened in England. This is how it happened in Australia.
Oh ya, I can't believe I failed to mention this part of it all earlier...
How is LE supposed to figure out who owns the gun that left the microstamped brass? Hypothetically, the law passed, murder occurred, brass was found with a S/N on it. OK, now what? The cops are going to say it's worthless info. Dem's are going to say they now need a central registry of all firearms S/N's and who owns them so LE can match up the info faster.
It's never been about enforcement, but control. Look around and see the control grid being in placed. This will not happen, but a treaty will be ratified and then your 2A will be dead finally.
SA Friday
05-11-2009, 11:03
It's never been about enforcement, but control. Look around and see the control grid being in placed. This will not happen, but a treaty will be ratified and then your 2A will be dead finally.
According to Article 6 of the US Constitution, any treaty ratified has to comply with the US Constitution to be legal. So, they will have to repeal the 2nd ammendment (as they did with the 18th ammendment with the inception of the 21st ammendment) BEFORE the treaty would be legal or enforceable. If they repealed the 2nd ammendment, the treaty would be irrelevant at that point, and more than likely the US would be in or on the brink of a second civil war.
According to Article 6 of the US Constitution, any treaty ratified has to comply with the US Constitution to be legal. So, they will have to repeal the 2nd ammendment (as they did with the 18th ammendment with the inception of the 21st ammendment) BEFORE the treaty would be legal or enforceable. If they repealed the 2nd ammendment, the treaty would be irrelevant at that point, and more than likely the US would be in or on the brink of a second civil war.
Thank you.... +1 for being somewhat informed....
According to Article 6 of the US Constitution, any treaty ratified has to comply with the US Constitution to be legal. So, they will have to repeal the 2nd ammendment (as they did with the 18th ammendment with the inception of the 21st ammendment) BEFORE the treaty would be legal or enforceable. If they repealed the 2nd ammendment, the treaty would be irrelevant at that point, and more than likely the US would be in or on the brink of a second civil war.
Look at the last 2 decisions on the 2A. Yes it's an individual right, yes it can be regulated. So with that frame of reference, the treaty would be constitutional. So I don't have to repeal the 2A, but regulate it. The gun restrictions coming will be gradual. Look to the UK.
ChunkyMonkey
05-12-2009, 13:40
Was there any major shooting events in recent time that the shooters didn't get caught or shot dead?
What other benefits could tracking system be for? If someone is going postal, he doesnt give a shit on whose gun and whose ammo he'd be using.
Look at the last 2 decisions on the 2A. Yes it's an individual right, yes it can be regulated. So with that frame of reference, the treaty would be constitutional. So I don't have to repeal the 2A, but regulate it. The gun restrictions coming will be gradual. Look to the UK.
The 2A has been regulated but that does not mean its within the bounds of the Constitution. "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"
infringed = to violate or break, to encroach or trespass on.
This clearly encroachs upon. I agree they aim for a gradual goal of violating the 2A.
We can let the lawyers steal it away saying its a gray area, or read the writings of our founding fathers who make it black and white. Regulating is a violation of the 2A. How far will each person let it go, thats their choice and our down fall.
The 2A has been regulated but that does not mean its within the bounds of the Constitution. "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"
infringed = to violate or break, to encroach or trespass on.
This clearly encroachs upon. I agree they aim for a gradual goal of violating the 2A.
We can let the lawyers steal it away saying its a gray area, or read the writings of our founding fathers who make it black and white. Regulating is a violation of the 2A. How far will each person let it go, thats their choice and our down fall.
Preaching to the Choir. They've infringed by the way of the 1928 & 1968 gun control acts, but we've accepted it, so why stop there.
We will be disarmed if we don't stand up and start electing Pro Constitutionalists.
Citizens are armed, slaves are not.
Preaching to the Choir. They've infringed by the way of the 1928 & 1968 gun control acts, but we've accepted it, so why stop there.
We will be disarmed if we don't stand up and start electing Pro Constitutionalists.
Citizens are armed, slaves are not.
How can we get those repealed...a united from for the republican party? we can all see the 3rd party candidates are great but will not win...
I would like to see the 86 ban repealed. I can own one made prior to 86, but not a newly made one. even if the same process was in place but new manufactured guns could be bought, that is a step in the right direction.
cdrissel
05-12-2009, 16:01
How can we get those repealed...a united from for the republican party? we can all see the 3rd party candidates are great but will not win...
Why can't a 3rd party win?
As long as voters have this mind set we will be doomed with the choice between a douche bag and a turd sandwich.
3rd party can win, it has won before and we can do it again. all it will take is your vote.
Mine will be there unless one of the parties can come up with a great canidate. I am not voting for a turd anymore just becase this turd stinks less that turd.
How can we get those repealed...a united from for the republican party? we can all see the 3rd party candidates are great but will not win...
I would like to see the 86 ban repealed. I can own one made prior to 86, but not a newly made one. even if the same process was in place but new manufactured guns could be bought, that is a step in the right direction.
WAKE UP The GOP & DP are owned and operated by Corporations/Bankers. Keep voting for your enslavement.
I see your guy's point. I will follow along. I fell into the group of I hate obama and I really dislike McCain, but no one else will have a chance so i voted for McCain anyways...
I see your guy's point. I will follow along. I fell into the group of I hate obama and I really dislike McCain, but no one else will have a chance so i voted for McCain anyways...
Me too, and I feel dirty about it. I should have voted for Ron Paul.
cdrissel
05-12-2009, 16:37
Me too, and I feel dirty about it. I should have voted for Ron Paul.
Elections are not about picking who you think might win. It's not a game.[Bang]
It's about voting for who YOU think best represents YOUR views. There will never be a candidate for any office that reflects YOUR views 100%, unless you are running.
[Beer]
I know that silly, that's why I feel dirty about it. I feel dirty because I don't think I would have been satisfied even settling for McCain, so why the hell did I vote for him?!
ChunkyMonkey
05-12-2009, 16:57
lesser of the two evils my friend.. you along with many of us voted for mccain because the damage would have not been as bad as what's being done now.
Plus I dont mind seeing Palin more often![Coffee]
cdrissel
05-12-2009, 17:03
lesser of the two evils my friend.. you along with many of us voted for mccain because the damage would have not been as bad as what's being done now.
Plus I dont mind seeing Palin more often![Coffee]
I did not vote for McCain.
The lesser of 2 evils, is still evil.
GunTroll
05-12-2009, 17:04
I wish the GOP would put up a real winner next time to vote for! McCain wouldn't have been that bad. Better off with him than you know who! As for third parties.....kind of like to see them in debates before I cast a vote their way. They need to become more mainstream for me. Internet and AM radio aren't enough to draw my vote. I like what I saw from Barr. Its just about the 2nd to me!
cdrissel
05-12-2009, 17:05
I wish the GOP would put up a real winner next time to vote for! McCain wouldn't have been that bad. Better off with him than you know who! As for third parties.....kind of like to see them in debates before I cast a vote their way. They need to become more mainstream for me. Internet and AM radio aren't enough to draw my vote. I like what I saw from Barr. Its just about the 2nd to me!
If it is about the 2nd A then check this out.
http://www.lp.org/issues/gun-laws
[Beer]
GunTroll
05-12-2009, 17:09
Yeah I've seen Barr speak on an AM radio live broadcast. I like what I heard about the libertarian principles. Good stuff I think.
SA Friday
05-12-2009, 17:48
Wow, did this thread go sideways (probably my fault...).
I have much to say, but it's off thread topic. I'll abstain.
cdrissel
05-12-2009, 18:34
Wow, did this thread go sideways (probably my fault...).
I have much to say, but it's off thread topic. I'll abstain.
[Bang]
SA start up a new topic.
I think we drifted a bit.........
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