Beauprez??

[milwaukeeshaker]

Beauprez? Really? That's the best we can do? I'm really disapointed, I thought better heads would prevail after the Democrat screwing we've gotten. I was hoping Kopp would have been the best choice. Ya know, some new blood instead of the same old tired GOP "retreads". That's what I get for thinking something would change. I guess he's better than Chickenlooper, so let's hope he's the next GOV.

[merl]

Yep he's the guy.
http://www.bobbeauprez.com/action
Tell him what is important to you and get a yard sign.

[zulu01]

According to the news this morning, his campaign fund is drained and Hicks is flush right now. Get a yard sign and contribute some cash. Unfortunately, money is what gets people elected.

[Bailey Guns]

Disappointing. I was really hoping Kopp would get the nomination even though I knew it was a long shot. Tancredo actually took Park Co buy a pretty fair margin. Beauprez will be a damn sight better than Hickenlooper but I was really hoping for some fresh GOP blood for a change. Guess that too much to ask from the state that gave us Hickenlooper, Morse, Fields, Hudak, etc...

[vectorsc]

Sometimes I swear that the Republican strategy was written by Democrats. Just look at Mitt Romney vs Obama last run around.

The Democrats should be ashamed to show their faces after how little Obama beat Romney. If Beuprez beats Hickenlooper it'll be amazing.

[Chad0724]

at least he thinks the magazine ban was a load of crap... its a good start

[HoneyBadger]

Beauprez? Really? That's the best we can do? I'm really disapointed, I thought better heads would prevail after the Democrat screwing we've gotten. I was hoping Kopp would have been the best choice. Ya know, some new blood instead of the same old tired GOP "retreads". That's what I get for thinking something would change. I guess he's better than Chickenlooper, so let's hope he's the next GOV.
As much as I'd like to see REAL, EFFECTIVE LEADERSHIP in office to actually affect positive changes for the personal liberty of Americans, now is the time to rally as a team and vote Hickenlooper out.

The polls show that the Colorado Republican voting base was VERY divided in the primary:


>
Bob Beauprez (R)
114,999
30%






Tom Tancredo (R)
101,371
27%






Scott Gessler (R)
88,323
23%






Mike Kopp (R)
75,449
20%




and the weak turnout is very telling. We need to get our Republican, Constitutional, and Libertarian friends to get out of bed, get to the polls, and VOTE. Time to unite and win as a team.

With anything in life, the moment you choose to believe in your own defeat, you have truly lost. You will become a self-fulfilling prophesy. We need to stop being a bunch of self-defeating squabblers and come together to reclaim our state!

[OneGuy67]

I guess I'm confused at the thoughts there was some sort of republican party strategy involved in the picking of Beauprez. Those that voted were registered republicans from all walks of life, from all around the state. Are you alleging the party told these people which of the four to vote for?

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[Great-Kazoo]

I guess I'm confused at the thoughts there was some sort of republican party strategy involved in the picking of Beauprez. Those that voted were registered republicans from all walks of life, from all around the state. Are you alleging the party told these people which of the four to vote for?

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I picked other than BB. No one told us how to vote. Perhaps the OP is confused, or busy dog sitting.

[DenverGP]

I was betting that Beauprez would win it, but both me and my wife voted for Kopp. I am curious if those that voted for Beauprez did so based on the "he's got the best chance of beating hick", or if they really believe he was the best.

And although he wasn't my first choice, i'll be putting up a Beauprez sign as soon as I get one. Lets hope everyone can get on board and start to take back our state.

[Ranger353]

I voted for Kopp too, and was also disappointed to see the results. But now it shouldn't matter what your party affiliation is, Hick has done enough harm across all party lines to get many Independents thinking about voting for an alternative to that chuckle-head.

We need to get everyone to put down their beer, bong, or bike and vote for a change in leadership, or someone that will show some leadership. Beauprez is the only option at this point.

[mindfold]

As long as we don't have a split party like the last time, we should give dickinpooper a good run. 276,642 voted in this primary. That is more votes than Maes received in the 2010 general election. Of course only registered republicans vote in primaries. I think this was a sign of a fired up core.


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[StagLefty]

I also voted for Kopp but the thing is now we need to rally around Beauprez since he is our candidate. JMHO

[Bailey Guns]

I guess I'm confused at the thoughts there was some sort of republican party strategy involved in the picking of Beauprez. Those that voted were registered republicans from all walks of life, from all around the state. Are you alleging the party told these people which of the four to vote for?

I've never understood the idea there's some smoke-filled room somewhere with old, white guys picking the republican candidate. Especially in the primary. The primaries are truly a time when your vote really does count. Sure...someone on the republican state committee may have talked to Beauprez about running, but it was registered republican voters that put him, and not one of the other candidates, into the final race.

[roberth]

My guy, Kopp, didn't win.

Go Beauprez!!!

[cysoto]

Beauprez? Really? That's the best we can do?

Sad, isn't it? I cannot say that I am surprised with the outcome of this primary, just disappointed with the results. [gohome]

[milwaukeeshaker]

Reread my fucking post. Did I say anything about anybody telling us how to vote???
You just love to start shit.


I picked other than BB. No one told us how to vote. Perhaps the OP is confused, or busy dog sitting.

[Bailey Guns]

My guy, Kopp, didn't win.

Go Beauprez!!!

Preach it, brother!

[Hummer]

Beauprez got the higher end endorsements because he spent the money to buy television ads. The millionaire banker turned buffalo rancher loaned $500,000 to his own campaign. Advertising = votes.

The fact that the vote spread between the four GOP candidates was so close indicates that all were good candidates. We voted for Gessler, but will certainly support Beauprez against the chickenliar.

Campaign contributions, letters to the newspapers, bumper stickers, yard signs, and personal contacts is what it will take to win. There's going to be a shipload of outside (Bloomberg) money coming in to save Hick and Udall.

[Ronin13]

While I was pulling for Kopp, I'm not terribly surprised Beauprez won it... I mean, look at the majority of the GOP voting stock: they voted for Romney in the primary, they voted for Romney in the election (well, it was between him and Obama, so yeah), they vote for the "republican" to win elections, not the best candidate on the right side of the fence. For the most part, the largest numbers of registered republicans will vote for the most "party line" candidate. That's what got Romney in the running in '12, that's what got McCain in '08, that's what got Beauprez here. Sure, some areas the TP candidate will win, but all in all, it's be the most republican you can and you'll win. I don't anticipate a huge shake up of the party for some time. Not saying I like it, but that's just the way it is. A lot of mainline republicans think the tea party is nuts.

At least now I can dedicate full attention to one guy to beat Hick. And if anyone here thinks that less than 10% going to some 3rd party candidate for governor is the way to go, I have a nice beachfront property in AZ I'll sell dirt cheap, because you're an idiot. [Coffee]

[OneGuy67]

Kopp had Bill Armstrong, one of the pillars of the Colorado republican party doing ads for him that ran all the time on radio. To say Beauprez got higher end endorsements isn't factual.

I was rooting for Kopp BTW.

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[Great-Kazoo]

Reread my fucking post. Did I say anything about anybody telling us how to vote???
You just love to start shit.

It's ok for your dog to run rampant, but if effects you, oh the tears . Man up, enjoy the day, life's too short for you to stroke out behind a keyboard.

FWIW: BB should have never been allowed to run, based on his last dismal performance / numbers. It wasn't one group think that voted for him. It was folks (other than me and obviously others here), who felt he would make a better candidate.

[crays]

Reread my fucking post. Did I say anything about anybody telling us how to vote???
You just love to start shit.

Jesus...go back and read all the replies, in order. Stash the butt-hurt, or go back to the "attack" thread.

*meaning* You were not attacked just because someone comments on a quoted reply (not even yours) in Your thread. Don't derail this thread with that cap. JMHO
:banghead:

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[roberth]

Now that we've all voted for our principles/favorites, it is time to vote for the primary winner and defeat the spineless mealymouth. Bob had a good interview with Mandy and I heard a couple of his ads, if he stays true to those things he spoke about we'll be just fine. We can hold him true by getting him an (R) House and Senate, we can win this but only if we all get together behind Bob. Don't pout, don't stay home, don't leave the governor's circle on your ballot unfilled because you're not happy with the primary result, vote for Bob and we'll cross the line in November together as winners.

BAND OF BROTHERS: GOP Candidates Unite Quickly To Defeat Hick (http://coloradopeakpolitics.com/2014/06/25/band-of-brothers-gop-candidates-unite-quickly-to-defeat-hick/)
http://coloradopeakpolitics.com/2014/06/25/band-of-brothers-gop-candidates-unite-quickly-to-defeat-hick/

Let's do it.

[MarkCO]

I am actually a little surprised that, at least those who have said, so many from COAR15 voted for Kopp. Kind of makes me wonder what this particular group saw, or the demographics, that look like such a large percentage voted Kopp when statewide he was last.

But yes, GO BB!

[Ronin13]

Now that we've all voted for our principles/favorites, it is time to vote for the primary winner and defeat the spineless mealymouth. Bob had a good interview with Mandy and I heard a couple of his ads, if he stays true to those things he spoke about we'll be just fine. We can hold him true by getting him an (R) House and Senate, we can win this but only if we all get together behind Bob. Don't pout, don't stay home, don't leave the governor's circle on your ballot unfilled because you're not happy with the primary result, vote for Bob and we'll cross the line in November together as winners.

BAND OF BROTHERS: GOP Candidates Unite Quickly To Defeat Hick (http://coloradopeakpolitics.com/2014/06/25/band-of-brothers-gop-candidates-unite-quickly-to-defeat-hick/)


http://coloradopeakpolitics.com/2014/06/25/band-of-brothers-gop-candidates-unite-quickly-to-defeat-hick/

Let's do it.
THIS! Come November, I really hope people get up, get out there and vote... Get BB in the Governor's Office in Denver, get the house and senate our way, and let's work on getting CO better than it has been in the past. I really like what Kopp said: I want to congratulate @bobbeauprez (https://twitter.com/bobbeauprez) on winning the nomination tonight. I’ll be helping Bob in the race in any capacity I can." If all the other (R) candidates get behind him and get everyone to vote we can send Hick packing. Now I'm kinda hoping Dunafon doesn't steal too much of the vote away- met him, he's a nice guy, but running on the (I) is more likely to take more votes away than actually do anything. We still aren't at the point where a 3rd party stands any chance at all.

[buffalobo]

I am actually a little surprised that, at least those who have said, so many from COAR15 voted for Kopp. Kind of makes me wonder what this particular group saw, or the demographics, that look like such a large percentage voted Kopp when statewide he was last.

But yes, GO BB!
As a group, the folks that frequent this site are better informed about politics and politicians than the general public. A large part of the public only gets their info from the evening news. My own opinion is Beauprez won by name recognition rather than by agreement with his positions.

lobbed from my electronic ball and chain

[Singlestack]

Me and my family voted for Kopp, so a bit disappointed now. However, my pre-election guess is Bob would win. He lives in the neighborhood across from mine and I see he and his wife in the local King Soopers on occasion. We will be volunteering to help his campaign.

[HoneyBadger]

I was betting that Beauprez would win it, but both me and my wife voted for Kopp. I am curious if those that voted for Beauprez did so based on the "he's got the best chance of beating hick", or if they really believe he was the best.

And although he wasn't my first choice, i'll be putting up a Beauprez sign as soon as I get one. Lets hope everyone can get on board and start to take back our state.
This is what I was trying to say. [Beer]

[SamuraiCO]

I've never understood the idea there's some smoke-filled room somewhere with old, white guys picking the republican candidate. Especially in the primary. The primaries are truly a time when your vote really does count. Sure...someone on the republican state committee may have talked to Beauprez about running, but it was registered republican voters that put him, and not one of the other candidates, into the final race.


The incumbants win up to 95% of the time so for the most part primaries are tuff for new blood. It is especially hard if you are not only fighting the Dems but have to fight the GOP....see the primary in Mississippi between the Senate incumbant Thad Cochran and Chris McDaniel. McDaniel did well enough to force a second vote. The crony GOP went as far as reaching out to Dem voters to put Cochran back into the Senate...another Rino wins who will do nothing to stop the spending in DC. If that would not have worked McDaniel would have won he had a majority vote with the Rep voting base. It was shameless the tactics used and kept another good conservative from winning. This is a perfect example why nothing changes no matter who wins each party is interested in power and control of the Gov wallet.

That being said I also voted for Kopp. Beauprez was pushed because of name recoginition. Hick is so weak I would have thought most R's could have beat him in the election. BB will get my full support moving forward.

[muddywings]

wife and I (without ever discussing current politics) both voted Kopp.
Well, time to muster the troops and get out the signs.....go BB!!

[BPTactical]

BB won because the establishment GOP is the hand up his ass.
And I am with Roberth, differences aside we need a concerted effort to oust Dickinpooper.


Can Tanc still try for the Libertarian or Constitution Party ticket? If so he had better not.
Don't need that shit to split the vote and hand it to the HowdyDoody fuckstick.

[merl]

And I am with Roberth, differences aside we need a concerted effort to oust Dickinpooper.

At this point I'd take Chris Christie over Hickenlooper.

[stevelkinevil]

seems very odd to me that BB won, I know not one person who voted for him. Strange.

[cysoto]

seems very odd to me that BB won, I know not one person who voted for him. Strange.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that many Democrats changed their affiliation just to get Beauprez elected.

[merl]

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that many Democrats changed their affiliation just to get Beauprez elected.

Unless this was one hell of a misdirection campaign the dems were pushing Tancredo.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/133023-Democrats-think-Tancredo-will-be-the-easiest-to-defeat

[roberth]

BB won because the establishment GOP is the hand up his ass.
And I am with Roberth, differences aside we need a concerted effort to oust Dickinpooper.


Can Tanc still try for the Libertarian or Constitution Party ticket? If so he had better not.
Don't need that shit to split the vote and hand it to the HowdyDoody fuckstick.

Last time the GOP had those 2 frauds, Maes and McInnis, so Tom and the rest of us didn't have a choice. Still 5% voted for Maes, they must have been baked before it was legal.

This time we had 4 legit candidates, any one of them would be fine governors, certainly better than any (D) on the planet.

I don't think Tom will split the vote, he knows what is at stake.

[BPTactical]

Last time the GOP had those 2 frauds, Maes and McInnis, so Tom and the rest of us didn't have a choice. Still 5% voted for Maes, they must have been baked before it was legal.

This time we had 4 legit candidates, any one of them would be fine governors, certainly better than any (D) on the planet.

I don't think Tom will split the vote, he knows what is at stake.

But will the D's insert a spoiler Independent like they did in Virginia IIRC?

[roberth]

But will the D's insert a spoiler Independent like they did in Virginia IIRC?

The (D) motto is "the ends justify the means", the (D) will do anything, unethical and/or illegal in order to win. Their actions will be covered by the complicit media and the ignorance of their fellow travelers who voted (D).

We'll just have to work through whatever horseshit games CPUSA decides to play.

[Irving]

I dislike Hickenlooper enough to not be bothered by voting for BB. That is even though I refused to sign a petition to get him onto the ballot.

[Zundfolge]

Can Tanc still try for the Libertarian or Constitution Party ticket? If so he had better not.
Don't need that shit to split the vote and hand it to the HowdyDoody fuckstick.
Bob was interviewed this AM on KVOR by Richard Randall ... He said he had already talked to all 3 of the other candidates and ALL of them congratulated him and promised their endorsement.

[hurley842002]

I dislike Hickenlooper enough to not be bothered by voting for BB. That is even though I refused to sign a petition to get him onto the ballot.

This is where I'm at. There is/was a negative momentum here in Colorado, that MUST be stopped, otherwise it will be too late. BB will have my full support.

[Ronin13]

Mike Rosen had something pretty great to say about voting for 3rd party candidates:
"Here's my question for people who vote for minor/fringe party candidates. The Broncos are playing the Seahawks in the Superbowl. Does it make sense to be betting on the Miami Dolphins?"

[MED]

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that many Democrats changed their affiliation just to get Beauprez elected.

If this was the case, they would have voted for Tancredo. This happened in Washington's open primaries in 1996 when Craswell was up against Foreman. The Dems voted in mass for conservative Craswell so she faced Seattle mayor, Gary Locke, in the general and got hammered. Foreman had a good chance of winning. Beauprez has a good chance of flipping the moderates in the suburban metro area if he runs a good campaign, and Hickenlooper has a serious uphill battle in Pueblo and the western slope because of the gun bills. Between the gun bills, the Nathan Dunlap decision, and the veto of the highway privatization transparency bill, Hick has some problems.

edit: The Giron recall must really scare the Hick camp. If he loses Pueblo, he will probably lose the election. Tancredo could never win Pueblo.

[milwaukeeshaker]

I'm confused. Did he not mention the OP and dog sitting in his post? I'm the OP, so, gee I wonder, is this sarcastic comment directed at me??
Hmmm, it might be. I did not stir the s**t this time, my OP was completely innocuous. Now, how about you mind your own affairs, I wasn't replying to you until now.


Jesus...go back and read all the replies, in order. Stash the butt-hurt, or go back to the "attack" thread.

*meaning* You were not attacked just because someone comments on a quoted reply (not even yours) in Your thread. Don't derail this thread with that cap. JMHO
:banghead:

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[Gman]

Kopp had Bill Armstrong, one of the pillars of the Colorado republican party doing ads for him that ran all the time on radio. To say Beauprez got higher end endorsements isn't factual.
The only "radio" I listen to is satellite radio when I'm in one of my vehicles. I can't imagine I'm the only one that does this.

I voted for Kopp, but he came in 4th. I'll be voting Beauprez when it comes time.

I was encouraged when I was looking at the vote counts for the Rep. vs. Dem. candidates for various offices. It seemed that the Rep. numbers were significantly higher. Let's hope that the Rep. contingent is fired up and will make it count this time around.

[Gman]

Now, how about you mind your own affairs, I wasn't replying to you until now.You're in a public forum. If you can't handle negative comments, perhaps forums are not for you. If you want to have a one-on-one conversation, this isn't the way to handle it.

[Great-Kazoo]

You're in a public forum. If you can't handle negative comments, perhaps forums are not for you. If you want to have a one-on-one conversation, this isn't the way to handle it.

There would be no drama if he/she did. It's the internet, get your panties this bunched up, the real world must really suck.

[bryjcom]

We just nominated another Mitt Romney.

That's all I have to say.

[DavieD55]

We just nominated another Mitt Romney.

That's all I have to say.

Mmm hmmm

[Bailey Guns]

And surely there will be plenty of you who'll stay home and piss and moan about the republican candidate and protest by not voting or voting for some obscure 3rd party candidate who gets .5% of the vote. And Hickenlooper will win again. Then you'll bitch about that.

I'd take 10 Mitt Romney's over 1 Obama.

[DavieD55]

I'd take 10 Mitt Romney's over 1 Obama.


I'm sure you would because Mitt Romney is such a Conservative. [Coffee]

[Great-Kazoo]

I'm sure you would because Mitt Romney is such a Conservative. [Coffee]

He's a R lite that still got our votes over that bomb thrower O.

[Goodburbon]

And surely there will be plenty of you who'll stay home and piss and moan about the republican candidate and protest by not voting or voting for some obscure 3rd party candidate who gets .5% of the vote. And Hickenlooper will win again. Then you'll bitch about that.

I'd take 10 Mitt Romney's over 1 Obama.
then the R should adapt. want the conservative vote? Rule 1. BE a conservative.


That said, I am looking into beau and will base my vote on whether he deserves it. I will say again, The best way to continue losing is to keep playing their game.

I know we've been at odds on this before, and im sure your constant disparaging references to people like me are all very well meaning.

sent from my fone!

[Cujo0920]

I'll hold my nose and vote for him. Because the alternative is Hick.

[Bailey Guns]

I'm sure you would because Mitt Romney is such a Conservative. [Coffee]

Sotomayor. Kagan. Holder. Rice. Clinton. That's what your supreme court, AG, SoS, Nat'l Sec Advisor, etc...looks like under the alternative. I guess that gives you warm fuzzies.

[Bailey Guns]

I'll hold my nose and vote for him. Because the alternative is Hick.

And you know what? That's a good enough reason.

It's better than the alternative. That's the reality of what we have to work with now. It may not be perfect but it's an improvement. That's all I'm saying. It's not ideal, but it's better than what we have. At least we're not taking a step back if Beauprez is elected. How sad it would be to win back the state legislature only to have Hickenlooper re-elected.

[Bailey Guns]

then the R should adapt. want the conservative vote? Rule 1. BE a conservative.


That said, I am looking into beau and will base my vote on whether he deserves it. I will say again, The best way to continue losing is to keep playing their game.

I know we've been at odds on this before, and im sure your constant disparaging references to people like me are all very well meaning.

sent from my fone!

I get it. You and I want the same thing. Real, honest to God conservatives we can feel good about supporting. We just don't see eye to eye on how to get there. And, sometimes that just isn't a choice.

[Bailey Guns]

then the R should adapt. want the conservative vote? Rule 1. BE a conservative.


That said, I am looking into beau and will base my vote on whether he deserves it. I will say again, The best way to continue losing is to keep playing their game.

I know we've been at odds on this before, and im sure your constant disparaging references to people like me are all very well meaning.

sent from my fone!

I get it. You and I want the same thing. Real, honest to God conservatives we can feel good about supporting. We just don't see eye to eye on how to get there.

ETA: And, sometimes that just isn't a choice. We had that choice in Mike Kopp. But the people voted and we got a less desirable alternative. How are you going to fix that? It wasn't some "dem-lite republicrat wall-street worshipping" conspiracy that gave us Beauprez. It was the citizens of Colorado. What can be done about that other than trying to convince people to vote for the real conservative? That just doesn't play to everyone, obviously.

[Bailey Guns]

And 3rd party candidates don't play at all. With them you get nothing other than maybe some self-satisfaction. But self-satisfaction doesn't keep liberals from passing stupid laws.

[hurley842002]

I'm sure you would because Mitt Romney is such a Conservative. [Coffee]

Please Davie, I'm guessing you are a contributing factor to why we are where we are, voting on your precious little conscience and all.

[mtnrider]

We are bickering amongst ourselves already ...we are doomed. [facepalm]

Like BB or not he is very pro 2A and that's all I need to know right now. Voting for ANYONE else or not voting at all is pissing away your gun rights forever in this state.

[DavieD55]

Please Davie, I'm guessing you are a contributing factor to why we are where we are, voting on your precious little conscience and all.

I am not going to put any faith in the system or any politicians at this point unless the Constitution comes first and first only. the US of A is going to fail either way wheather there is a chrony non-constitutional R or a radical communist barry soetoro in office.

So go ahead and sit and spin. [fyou]

[Ronin13]

I'll say it again- keep trying to "buck" the system with your 3rd party votes, and we'll continue to get screwed over because the dems keep winning on account of your protest votes. Everyone who decries "keep playing that 2 party game" I just say "and thanks to you we keep getting democrats elected." I too would love to have some more constitutionally minded folks getting into office, but there won't be much of a constitution left if we keep getting progressives elected. If you really feel like there is no difference between the two main parties, I invite you to look at the voting results of the two gun-control bills that were passed last year... How did the majority of the democrats vote? How did the republicans vote? As bad as you think the GOP is, trust me, the dems are much worse.

[mtnrider]

I agree Ronin. This is not the year to "make a statement". You either vote for BB or kiss this state goodbye for good. Another win for the Dems will seal this states destiny in concrete.

[Great-Kazoo]

I am not going to put any faith in the system or any politicians at this point unless the Constitution comes first and first only. the US of A is going to fail either way wheather there is a chrony non-constitutional R or a radical communist barry soetoro in office.

So go ahead and sit and spin. [fyou]


while you have a finger up your ass, the view from your temporal lob is blocked.

This is bigger than your personal sit on the side and jerk off attitude.

This is about 1 if not 2 state supreme ct judges, who's term expires by 2015-16. This is about having the ability to appoint R views on the bench. Whether you like it or not 2016 will see a ballot to ban firearms on college campus. They have the numbers, but realize ANY anti gun ballot will sink the D's in nov. The D / Progressive mind doesn't mind waiting years for implementation of their policy.

Russia had a 5 year plan, Mao his Little red book. CO has the gang of 4, so far they've been very successful. a lot due to organizing, putting aside differences to defeat the entrenched white man in office.
You stick to the sidelines i'll do what's necessary to prevent a farther decline of CO .
AND since we're tossing verbiage around, FUCK YOU.

[DavieD55]

I agree Ronin. This is not the year to "make a statement". You either vote for BB or kiss this state goodbye for good. Another win for the Dems will seal this states destiny in concrete.


I'm with Ronin also. I don't care for BB unfortunately he is the only real choice we're left with this time.

[Great-Kazoo]

I'm with Ronin also. I don't care for BB unfortunately he is the only real choice we're left with this time.

Wow, from dominant to passive - aggressive. That spin clear you out

[hurley842002]

That spin clear you out

Lol

[DavieD55]

Wow, from dominant to passive - aggressive. That spin clear you out

You're just up on a highhorse. Go have a drink and try relax before you have a heart attack

[Great-Kazoo]

You're just up on a highhorse. Go have a drink and try relax before you have a heart attack


HA HA lightweight.

#63 you were railing about R's in name only #67 you were sucking the teat.
Guys like you are wordy on line, yet couldn't hold a candle to someone like our daughter or nephew. They have principles and beliefs, they adhere to, no matter what. You folded like a cheap table in less than 10 post.

[ZERO THEORY]

Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on continuing intelligence gathering without civil oversight. (Apr 2006)


I wish Kopp was our guy, but I'll support Bob over that fucking shill Hickenlooper.

[10mm-man]

We just nominated another Mitt Romney.

That's all I have to say.

Finally! Someone that makes sense......

[10mm-man]

Sotomayor. Kagan. Holder. Rice. Clinton. That's what your supreme court, AG, SoS, Nat'l Sec Advisor, etc...looks like under the alternative. I guess that gives you warm fuzzies.

Fudge; you actually made some sense for once.

[10mm-man]

We are bickering amongst ourselves already ...we are doomed. [facepalm]

Like BB or not he is very pro 2A and that's all I need to know right now. Voting for ANYONE else or not voting at all is pissing away your gun rights forever in this state.

I'm not hot on BB like some; convince me he is a real 2A supporter with some facts. If you don't mind? I would like to find a reason to hold my nose, and vote for him.

[Great-Kazoo]

I'm not hot on BB like some; convince me he is a real 2A supporter with some facts. If you don't mind? I would like to find a reason to hold my nose, and vote for him.


See post #66

[Goodburbon]

Actually, looking at his voting record I don't have a problem voting for him. Not perfect of course, but all in all not horrible. Except for that damn R next to his name.


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[sroz]

I'm not hot on BB like some; convince me he is a real 2A supporter with some facts. If you don't mind? I would like to find a reason to hold my nose, and vote for him.

It's him or Hick. That's the only reason I need.

[bryjcom]

For the record.... And to ease Bailey's mind... I will be voting for BB. [Tooth]

I view this election as the "last chance" to keep CO turning from purple to solid blue.

[Great-Kazoo]

Actually, looking at his voting record I don't have a problem voting for him. Not perfect of course, but all in all not horrible. Except for that damn R next to his name.


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Imagine if people ran for office w/out a designated political party. You voted based on their past voting record. They have no record TFB, unless they are first timers.
The way to make sure someone who is new doesn't go off the rails. Elections are every 2 years.
There are both R's & D's who have no loyalty to th eparty the should be representing. An elected official fails, tar n feather.


MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM maybe there should be a Sharia law clause for politicians. That's it, let them face the same fate the religion of peace embraces, if they fuk up.

[Hummer]

This is about 1 if not 2 state supreme ct judges, who's term expires by 2015-16. This is about having the ability to appoint R views on the bench. Whether you like it or not 2016 will see a ballot to ban firearms on college campus. They have the numbers, but realize ANY anti gun ballot will sink the D's in nov. The D / Progressive mind doesn't mind waiting years for implementation of their policy.

The appointment of leftist judges may be the most important factor in our loss of rights as evidenced by the decision to uphold the CO mag ban and background check laws.


New Gun Laws Upheld (https://localtvkdvr.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/cooke-order.pdf)

[roberth]

This is about 1 if not 2 state supreme ct judges, who's term expires by 2015-16. This is about having the ability to appoint R views on the bench. Whether you like it or not 2016 will see a ballot to ban firearms on college campus. They have the numbers, but realize ANY anti gun ballot will sink the D's in nov. The D / Progressive mind doesn't mind waiting years for implementation of their policy.

Russia had a 5 year plan, Mao his Little red book. CO has the gang of 4, so far they've been very successful. a lot due to organizing, putting aside differences to defeat the entrenched white man in office.
You stick to the sidelines i'll do what's necessary to prevent a farther decline of CO .

in addition...

BB will be the signatory on any pro-gun legislation we can get through an (R) dominated state congress, or any other pro-individual rights, pro-business, anti-illegal alien bills that may come through. BB will also sign Dunlap's death warrant.

This isn't just about BB, we can make our state congress a solid pro-gun congress and this action will have a positive impact on the national elections.

[Bailey Guns]

I'm not sure Krieger is a leftist judge.

[Great-Kazoo]

I'm not sure Krieger is a leftist judge.

probably not but, you don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows.

[Zundfolge]

Rasmussen has Hick and Bob dead even at 44% each. (http://kdvr.com/2014/07/01/rasmussen-poll-has-hickenlooper-beauprez-tied-at-44-percent/)

[merl]

Rasmussen has Hick and Bob dead even at 44% each. (http://kdvr.com/2014/07/01/rasmussen-poll-has-hickenlooper-beauprez-tied-at-44-percent/)

Thanks, that is the first Good News! I've heard about the Governors race in a while.

[Great-Kazoo]

Rasmussen has Hick and Bob dead even at 44% each. (http://kdvr.com/2014/07/01/rasmussen-poll-has-hickenlooper-beauprez-tied-at-44-percent/)

If only to bring out the Mad as Hell D's & progressives. The amount of outside money from all sides as we get closer to Nov. is amazing. The last commercial i caught was a pro - beauprex using College age female as the speaker.

[rock_castle]

I'm not sure Krieger is a leftist judge.
Even though she was appointed by Bush, I understand she is indeed left of center (not really leftist though).

[Rucker61]

Even though she was appointed by Bush, I understand she is indeed left of center (not really leftist though).

She's dumb as a bag of hammers, though. I don't think I'd be brave enough to use as evidence, in a case of this magnitude, [paraphrasing] "we're using the memory of those few LEOs that testified", regarding of how many rounds used in defense shouldn't be a reason to limit the 2A, anyway.

[Dr.Rob]

This is a vote I will be casting without enthusiasm. Beauprez is a dinosaur.

[HoneyBadger]

This is a vote I will be casting without enthusiasm. Beauprez is a dinosaur.
I'm sure a lot of people may feel that way, but acting without enthusiasm and conviction is what got us here in the first place. Now is the time to band together with a united front!

[Bailey Guns]

I'm sure a lot of people may feel that way, but acting without enthusiasm and conviction is what got us here in the first place. Now is the time to band together with a united front!

HoneyBadger DOES give a shit! And he's right.

Either Beauprez or Hickenlooper WILL BE the next governor of Colorado. Which would you rather have?

[mtnrider]

This is a vote I will be casting without enthusiasm. Beauprez is a dinosaur.

Although you say you will vote (reluctantly) many like you will not and just go sit in a a corner and pout while we lose another election and face more liberal tyranny. [Rant1]

We need to be out banging the drums and getting everyone else to vote for him not just doing it reluctantly with our head down. That won't inspire anyone else to vote for him.

He may not have been my first choice but I'll sure as hell be out waving signs and getting votes because he is 10000000000000000000000000% better then the alternative

[Aloha_Shooter]

Either Beauprez or Hickenlooper WILL BE the next governor of Colorado. Which would you rather have?

[word]

[Justin]

She's dumb as a bag of hammers, though. I don't think I'd be brave enough to use as evidence, in a case of this magnitude, [paraphrasing] "we're using the memory of those few LEOs that testified", regarding of how many rounds used in defense shouldn't be a reason to limit the 2A, anyway.

Deep down inside, I want to believe that her arguments to uphold the laws were deliberately shoddy with the hopethat a higher court would shoot the arguments down, along with the idiotic laws.

[def90]

Where's the Tancredo thread? Apparently he thinks shenanigans were afoot in the primary race.. How is anyone supposed to "band together with a united front" with this ass hat running arond? Is Tancredo really a Democrat mole?

http://kdvr.com/2014/07/29/tancredo-demands-christie-rga-come-clean-about-helping-beauprez-through-primary/

[Bailey Guns]

Tancredo needs to realize his political office-holding days are over. The voters know this...why doesn't he?

[roberth]

HoneyBadger DOES give a shit! And he's right.

Either Beauprez or Hickenlooper WILL BE the next governor of Colorado. Which would you rather have?


[word]

Exactly right.


Tancredo needs to realize his political office-holding days are over. The voters know this...why doesn't he?

Ego. I like Tom, he won't ever be governor, maybe he could serve in the state legislature...big maybe.

[TFOGGER]

Tom made himself a big fat target with his outspoken views, on immigration especially. While I admire his tenacity and his consistency in his views, any race he enters will become a polarizing focal point for democrats and other liberals. In effect, any race he enters becomes a likely win for them.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I used to like Tancredo. No more.

[Irving]

Tancredo needs to realize his political office-holding days are over. The voters know this...why doesn't he?

That's how I felt about Beauprez before he won the nomination.

[roberth]

That's how I felt about Beauprez before he won the nomination.

So did I, look where we are now.

[Celt]

I'm voting for Beauprez with many, many reservations.

[roberth]

Like I said before, if we give Beauprez an (R) legislature we'll get what we want out of him.

[Celt]

Like I said before, if we give Beauprez an (R) legislature we'll get what we want out of him.

I hope your right. He can win but if his handlers keep bring out people like Chris Christie it will not be pretty....

[Zundfolge]

Well I hate to say it because many of you will balk at the idea, but if we are all just ho-hum about voting for Beauprez he's going to lose so whether you like him or not y'all better damn well start acting excited to vote for him or all the fence sitters in your lives are either going to vote for Hick (because HIS supporters seem excited) or just sit home.

[HoneyBadger]

Well I hate to say it because many of you will balk at the idea, but if we are all just ho-hum about voting for Beauprez he's going to lose so whether you like him or not y'all better damn well start acting excited to vote for him or all the fence sitters in your lives are either going to vote for Hick (because HIS supporters seem excited) or just sit home.
A-MEN!

[Great-Kazoo]

FINAL WORDS (yes hard to believe)
If you choose to sit out the mid terms, or vote for someone other than BB, You can never log in and bitch about hickenlooper, or the D's, EVER AGAIN.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I hope your right. He can win but if his handlers keep bring out people like Chris Christie it will not be pretty....

So you're going to reenergize Hickenlooper and Felon Fields and the rest of that crowd because Christie and other Republicans you don't like support Beauprez? Thinking like that is what gave Obama a second term. After all, what damage could he do with another four years of not having to face another election? Oh wait ...

[Bailey Guns]

That's how I felt about Beauprez before he won the nomination.

Beauprez doesn't have near the political baggage that Tancredo does. Not even close.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Dems were specifically pushing Tancredo in the GOP primary because they wanted to paint the entire Colorado Republican party during the General elections with the (admittedly distorted) tar brush they use on Tancredo.

The big problem with Beauprez is he just doesn't get anyone energized. Got it, he isn't someone to be enthusiastic over but let's get enthusiastic over throwing the Democrats out and reversing the BS they've instituted for the past 4 years.

The Dems will be just as happy for the anti-Dem base to stay home crying in our beer as to have any of us cross-over and actually vote for their uninformed unreasoning tyrants.

[Irving]

Beauprez doesn't have near the political baggage that Tancredo does. Not even close.

Oh I'm not saying he does. Just that I knew he lost some election years ago and I hadn't heard his name in years and never expected to again.

[muddywings]

Figured I'd stick this here:

http://www.koaa.com/news/poll-hickenlooper-trails-beauprez-by-10-points/?par=nbcnews&site=nbcnews.com&cm_ven=nbcnews&cm_cat=Article

Bob up by 10 points in recent poll. Don't slack now...get your friends and family to the polls (unless you mingle with liberals!)

[Bailey Guns]

That's very encouraging.

[HoneyBadger]

Awesome. Keep up the pressure!

[Ronin13]

FINAL WORDS (yes hard to believe)
If you choose to sit out the mid terms, or vote for someone other than BB, You can never log in and bitch about hickenlooper, or the D's, EVER AGAIN.
THIS! I second this idea. [Beer]

Figured I'd stick this here:

http://www.koaa.com/news/poll-hickenlooper-trails-beauprez-by-10-points/?par=nbcnews&site=nbcnews.com&cm_ven=nbcnews&cm_cat=Article

Bob up by 10 points in recent poll. Don't slack now...get your friends and family to the polls (unless you mingle with liberals!)
I think a lot of folks are realizing that Hick shot himself in the foot a bit with his "hold Dunlap's fate hostage" idea. What an underhanded and cowardly way to run a campaign.
And Muddy- even if you mingle with liberals, try and sway them to vote against Chickenpooper. It will be tough, but if they actually listen and you present a good argument why they should be voting for Beauprez, then maybe, just maybe, you can get some to turn sides.

[Great-Kazoo]

Figured I'd stick this here:

http://www.koaa.com/news/poll-hickenlooper-trails-beauprez-by-10-points/?par=nbcnews&site=nbcnews.com&cm_ven=nbcnews&cm_cat=Article

Bob up by 10 points in recent poll. Don't slack now...get your friends and family to the polls (unless you mingle with liberals!)


That's very encouraging.


Awesome. Keep up the pressure!

I doubt bob is even close to hick. I do know the DPEB has an agenda, it's not one geared for R's. This will be one of many reports saying polls put the D & R in a statistical dead heat. Or the R up by 3-5 pts. It's one of the ways to get the D base motivated in an off year election, beside espousing how bad the R's are on social issues, immigrants AND THE WAR ON WOMEN.

[def90]

Not too many political polls that I would trust. The majority are slanted and are designed to achieve the results that they poll for. the only one that matters is the ballot box.

[Hummer]

I doubt bob is even close to hick. I do know the DPEB has an agenda, it's not one geared for R's. This will be one of many reports saying polls put the D & R in a statistical dead heat. Or the R up by 3-5 pts. It's one of the ways to get the D base motivated in an off year election, beside espousing how bad the R's are on social issues, immigrants AND THE WAR ON WOMEN.


Not too many political polls that I would trust. The majority are slanted and are designed to achieve the results that they poll for. the only one that matters is the ballot box.


I think you guys got it right. Nowadays, polls are more tools of propaganda than an accurate pulse of the voters. The Quinnipiac polling tends to show conservative candidates with higher numbers. I'd sure like it to play out that way, but as G-K said, "I doubt bob is even close to hick". It would be sweet justice to see Hickenlooper smashed in the election for hitching a ride on the Bloomberg express. And, Udall as cheerleader for the Obamanistas needs to be put down permanently.

Like others, I have reservations about Beauprez primarily because of his big banking and big ag background. I don't know where he stands on RKBA, hunter rights and public lands access issues. But, I'm sure as heck going to vote for him just as I did when he ran against that anti-gun SOB Bill Ritter. Trouncing those despotic clowns is my kind of hope and change. The ballot box is where it counts, and I vote in every election.

[brutal]

I think you guys got it right. Nowadays, polls are more tools of propaganda than an accurate pulse of the voters. The Quinnipiac polling tends to show conservative candidates with higher numbers. I'd sure like it to play out that way, but as G-K said, "I doubt bob is even close to hick". It would be sweet justice to see Hickenlooper smashed in the election for hitching a ride on the Bloomberg express. And, Udall as cheerleader for the Obamanistas needs to be put down permanently.

Like others, I have reservations about Beauprez primarily because of his big banking and big ag background. I don't know where he stands on RKBA, hunter rights and public lands access issues. But, I'm sure as heck going to vote for him just as I did when he ran against that anti-gun SOB Bill Ritter. Trouncing those despotic clowns is my kind of hope and change. The ballot box is where it counts, and I vote in every election.

Heritage State Bank was hardly "big banking."

Bob and Claudia ran that bank themselves and grew the brand before exiting, and were a great asset to the community there.

BP certainly had his issues the last go around, but like it or not, he IS the R candidate and we need to oust dickenlooper.

[Gman]

NRA Endorses Bob Beauprez for Governor in Colorado (https://www.nrapvf.org/articles/20140918/nra-endorses-bob-beauprez-for-governor-in-colorado)

Fairfax, Va. – On behalf of our five million members across the country, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF) is proud to endorse Bob Beauprez for Governor of Colorado.

Based on his support of and commitment to the Second Amendment, Beauprez has earned an “A” rating from the NRA-PVF in the 2014 general election. An “A” rating is reserved for a solidly pro-gun candidate who has consistently supported the NRA’s position on votes of importance to gun owners and sportsmen.

“This is a critical election in Colorado for Second Amendment rights,” said Chris W. Cox, chairman of the NRA-PVF. “Incumbent Governor John Hickenlooper betrayed Colorado voters and values when he chose to support former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s gun control agenda. The Centennial State deserves a strong leader like Bob Beauprez who will govern on principle and defend freedom.”

Hickenlooper infamously drew national attention and scorn when he flip-flopped on the gun magazine ban, claiming he didn’t have the facts when he signed it into law. He also was forced to clarify a statement in which he claimed that he had not spoken with Michael Bloomberg prior to signing Bloomberg-backed gun control bills into law – a claim that was proven false by an examination of phone records.

Beauprez has a proven record of support for our individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms. He believes hunting is a valuable tool for wildlife management and an American tradition that teaches young people responsibility and respect for the outdoors. Beauprez rejects expanded licensing and registration schemes and so-called “universal” background checks, which require federal government approval for transferring firearms between life-long friends and family members.

“We can count on Bob Beauprez to stand up for our constitutional freedoms in Colorado,” added Cox. “On behalf of the NRA’s five million members, I want to thank Bob for his steadfast support of the Second Amendment and urge all NRA members, gun owners and sportsmen in Colorado to vote Bob Beauprez for Governor on November 4.”

[def90]

Will he go so far as support overturning the mag ban? or is he Pro 2A status quo?

[Zundfolge]

Will he go so far as support overturning the mag ban? or is he Pro 2A status quo?

From his web site. http://www.bobbeauprez.com/issues


Governor Hickenlooper signed restrictive gun legislation that must be repealed.

[milwaukeeshaker]

The mag ban, and more importantly the private sale backround check BS. Both need to go, backround check more so.


Will he go so far as support overturning the mag ban? or is he Pro 2A status quo?

[Dave]

The mag ban, and more importantly the private sale backround check BS. Both need to go, backround check more so.

I personally would rather see the mag ban go first. Both need to, just the mag ban catches me more on what I'd like to purchase.

[milwaukeeshaker]

The mag ban is totally unenforceable, and really so is the BGC, but the stupid gunowners in this state will, and already are, "self enforcing" the BGC on themselves. The check is far more dangerous, it causes a lot of guns to be put on the registration list.

[Great-Kazoo]

The mag ban is totally unenforceable, and really so is the BGC, but the stupid gunowners in this state will, and already are, "self enforcing" the BGC on themselves. The check is far more dangerous, it causes a lot of guns to be put on the registration list.

Get real. There is no REGISTRATION LIST. It's been beaten to death, yet you still insist on bringing up stupid shit.

Do us a favor, go start a gun registration thread somewhere, other than in a L&P discussion about the R candidate.

[Dave]

The mag ban is totally unenforceable, and really so is the BGC, but the stupid gunowners in this state will, and already are, "self enforcing" the BGC on themselves. The check is far more dangerous, it causes a lot of guns to be put on the registration list.

It's enforceable enough to make several online distributors not sell to CO at all because they won't pull the mags from an AR or other firearm that comes from the factory with a mag over 15 rounds. I've missed out on a couple of nice deals for guns I wanted, but either couldn't be shipped to me or wouldn't be worth it since I wouldn't be able to get mags for them in the cases where I didn't get them before the ban went into effect.

[milwaukeeshaker]

Oh look, a comment from the "Great Bazzoo"!! Little Rosie Sunshine has checked in. I knew I could count on your caustic, B.S. comments. And if you really think there is no list you are a bigger dumb s*** than I thought.

[kidicarus13]

The mag ban is totally unenforceable, and really so is the BGC, but the stupid gunowners in this state will, and already are, "self enforcing" the BGC on themselves.

+1

[Great-Kazoo]

Oh look, a comment from the "Great Bazzoo"!! Little Rosie Sunshine has checked in. I knew I could count on your caustic, B.S. comments. And if you really think there is no list you are a bigger dumb s*** than I thought.

Once again , name calling to push the non-existent REGISTRATION off to the side . You've been shown before to have no solid proof of such. So keep up with that name calling it's increasing your fan base.

START a new thread / discussion where you present your argument of registration. Show me / the board your documentation of such . FACTS not well i know they have
BUT do it in a new thread and not walk over this OP's thread. IF not i or someone else will ask for this thread to be closed.

[brutal]

... and really so is the BGC, but the stupid gunowners in this state will, and already are, "self enforcing" the BGC on themselves. The check is far more dangerous, it causes a lot of guns to be put on the registration list.

Keep telling yourself that.

[milwaukeeshaker]

When you buy a firearm and do a backround check, do they record the serial number of the gun? Does that record go in the FFL's files? When the FFL closes his doors, where do the files go brainiac???? The firearm that previous had NO paperwork on it suddenly now is papered, and traceable. Now which constitutes a greater threat to gun ownership?? Where will they get the info to confiscate? Which is worse, guns that are able to be tracked to their owners, or some damn magazines held to a lower round count, when there are literally millions of the higher capacity ones already out there??? C'mon, you tell me. Did you guys lose logic somewhere? And by the way, go back to the first post, THIS IS MY THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[brutal]

... and really so is the BGC, but the stupid gunowners in this state will, and already are, "self enforcing" the BGC on themselves. The check is far more dangerous, it causes a lot of guns to be put on the registration list.

Keep telling yourself that.

Your continual ad hominem attacks to support your position weakens your credibility more than you can imagine.

[brutal]

When you buy a firearm and do a backround check, do they record the serial number of the gun? Does that record go in the FFL's files? When the FFL closes his doors, where do the files go brainiac???? The firearm that previous had NO paperwork on it suddenly now is papered, and traceable. Now which constitutes a greater threat to gun ownership?? Where will they get the info to confiscate? Which is worse, guns that are able to be tracked to their owners, or some damn magazines held to a lower round count, when there are literally millions of the higher capacity ones already out there??? C'mon, you tell me. Did you guys lose logic somewhere? And by the way, go back to the first post, THIS IS MY THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Confiscate what?

I don't own any of those guns that went through an FFL's bound book. They were all lost in a tragic boating accident.

Loosen the tinfoil hat there shakey.

[crays]

When you buy a firearm and do a backround check, do they record the serial number of the gun? Does that record go in the FFL's files? When the FFL closes his doors, where do the files go brainiac???? The firearm that previous had NO paperwork on it suddenly now is papered, and traceable.....C'mon, you tell me. Did you guys lose logic somewhere? And by the way, go back to the first post, THIS IS MY THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, this is your thread, but let's look at your statement about logic:
Yes, through a VERY tedious and time consuming process, it is possible to track a lot of firearms to their specific owners through a paper trail, but your assertion of the automatic generation of "THE LIST" implies a tremendous amount of complicity by each and every FFL which conducts a completed firearms transfer. Possible? Sure. Likely? Not really, in my opinion. Is a BGC transferred firearm more susceptible to traceablity (sp?)? Yes. Is the .gov going to confiscate EVERY SINGLE FFL's disposition book(s) and create that list? If they do, we will likely be at the point that that is nowhere near the top of our worry list.

Just my opinion on it. Take it, or leave it.

OP was a statement about his concern as BB being the chosen candidate, so I guess if we don't get too far off-track from BB's ideals and likely stances, it's not derailed. But if we focus on specific law/policy already in place, then I guess we are off the tracks. Dunno.

[brutal]

Yes, this is your thread, but let's look at your statement about logic:
Yes, through a VERY tedious and time consuming process, it is possible to track a lot of firearms to their specific owners through a paper trail, but your assertion of the automatic generation of "THE LIST" implies a tremendous amount of complicity by each and every FFL which conducts a completed firearms transfer. Possible? Sure. Likely? Not really, in my opinion. Is a BGC transferred firearm more susceptible to traceablity (sp?)? Yes. Is the .gov going to confiscate EVERY SINGLE FFL's disposition book and create that list? If they do, we will likely be at the point that that is nowhere near the top of our worry list.

Just my opinion on it. Take it, or leave it.

OP was a statement about his concern as BB being the chosen candidate, so I guess if we don't get too far off-track from BB's ideals and likely stances, it's not derailed. But if we focus on specific law/policy already in place, the I guess we are off the tracks. Dunno.

This is the same government that rolled out the Obamacare website right?

[ROFL1]

[Hoser]

And by the way, go back to the first post, THIS IS MY THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope. The forum owner and his staff will disagree with you on that.

You might have started the thread, but it does not belong to you.

Keep it civil gentleman.

[milwaukeeshaker]

Righhttt. That'll really fly. Just keep on playing ostrich.


Confiscate what?

I don't own any of those guns that went through an FFL's bound book. They were all lost in a tragic boating accident.

Loosen the tinfoil hat there shakey.

[milwaukeeshaker]

Ok, correction. I AM THE OP. Satisfied?
Nope. The forum owner and his staff will disagree with you on that.

You might have started the thread, but it does not belong to you.

Keep it civil gentleman.

[milwaukeeshaker]

Look back a few lines. I never intended to start a diatribe about a "list", I simply said that the BG check is far more onerous and important to rescind than the mag ban which is easy to circumvent. Then a bunch of the usual B.Sr's decided to start an argument. I simply cannot beleive some of you cannot see the danger in recording things on paper that were not before. Let's hope that Beauprez gets rid of both, but I still say the most important is the BGC.
Yes, this is your thread, but let's look at your statement about logic:
Yes, through a VERY tedious and time consuming process, it is possible to track a lot of firearms to their specific owners through a paper trail, but your assertion of the automatic generation of "THE LIST" implies a tremendous amount of complicity by each and every FFL which conducts a completed firearms transfer. Possible? Sure. Likely? Not really, in my opinion. Is a BGC transferred firearm more susceptible to traceablity (sp?)? Yes. Is the .gov going to confiscate EVERY SINGLE FFL's disposition book(s) and create that list? If they do, we will likely be at the point that that is nowhere near the top of our worry list.

Just my opinion on it. Take it, or leave it.

OP was a statement about his concern as BB being the chosen candidate, so I guess if we don't get too far off-track from BB's ideals and likely stances, it's not derailed. But if we focus on specific law/policy already in place, then I guess we are off the tracks. Dunno.

[crays]

Look back a few lines. I never intended to start a diatribe about a "list", I simply said that the BG check is far more onerous and important to rescind than the mag ban which is easy to circumvent. Then a bunch of the usual B.Sr's decided to start an argument. I simply cannot beleive some of you cannot see the danger in recording things on paper that were not before. Let's hope that Beauprez gets rid of both, but I still say the most important is the BGC.

Back to these lines?


When you buy a firearm and do a backround check, do they record the serial number of the gun? Does that record go in the FFL's files? When the FFL closes his doors, where do the files go brainiac???? The firearm that previous had NO paperwork on it suddenly now is papered, and traceable. Now which constitutes a greater threat to gun ownership?? Where will they get the info to confiscate? Which is worse, guns that are able to be tracked to their owners, or some damn magazines held to a lower round count, when there are literally millions of the higher capacity ones already out there??? C'mon, you tell me. Did you guys lose logic somewhere? And by the way, go back to the first post, THIS IS MY THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[milwaukeeshaker]

No, back to here. Then bigmouth Great Bazoo decided to stir the crap, and I will not just take the garbage without comment.


The mag ban, and more importantly the private sale backround check BS. Both need to go, backround check more so.

[Zundfolge]

I simply said that the BG check is far more onerous and important to rescind than the mag ban which is easy to circumvent.

The BGC law is going to be harder to repeal and as such we need to work twice as hard to get rid of it. Most people don't understand how or why the BGC law is bad nor to they see it as such an egregious and onerous thing so they won't support repeal as readily (and certainly won't push for it). Also being more egregious and onerous its one thing that the hard left wants more than any of the other laws passed.


The mag ban is nothing more than spiting in our eye ... "counting coup in the culture wars" but the universal BGC is the first step toward complete registration (which is the first step toward confiscation). The left is going to fight hard to keep it (which is why we have to make sure the "R"s are in complete control after the election).

[brutal]

When you buy a firearm and do a backround check, do they record the serial number of the gun? Does that record go in the FFL's files? When the FFL closes his doors, where do the files go brainiac???? The firearm that previous had NO paperwork on it suddenly now is papered, and traceable. Now which constitutes a greater threat to gun ownership?? Where will they get the info to confiscate? Which is worse, guns that are able to be tracked to their owners, or some damn magazines held to a lower round count, when there are literally millions of the higher capacity ones already out there??? C'mon, you tell me. Did you guys lose logic somewhere? And by the way, go back to the first post, THIS IS MY THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm 100% in favor of repealing the Universal BGC we have for private transfers, but how is that going to negate dealer sales required federal BGC that will never go away, and the resulting paper trail that has and always will exist?

You don't seem to be able to differentiate between the two.

[Hoser]

Ok, correction. I AM THE OP. Satisfied?

No. Chill out. Step away from the keyboard.

We are all on the same side here.

No more warnings. Be polite and respectful. Everyone. Not just you.

No more warnings.

[Dave]

No. Chill out. Step away from the keyboard.

We are all on the same side here.

No more warnings. Be polite and respectful. Everyone. Not just you.

No more warnings.

[gohome]

[milwaukeeshaker]

Yes, Yes!! Private sales of course. Isn't that what the new law changed? Private sales? We already had the BGC for buys from an FFL, but the private sales are what we must protect and keep unrecorded.



I'm 100% in favor of repealing the Universal BGC we have for private transfers, but how is that going to negate dealer sales required federal BGC that will never go away, and the resulting paper trail that has and always will exist?

You don't seem to be able to differentiate between the two.

[milwaukeeshaker]

Yes you are right, we are supposed to be on the same side, but sometimes what comes out of a posters mouth sounds just like an anti-gunners wet dream. I know there are differing opinions, but as gunowners, are we that far apart? Let's just hope if the R's win big, that they remember to stay well on the right in regards to the gun issue, and all the other important items, like Obamacare, illegal aliens, the economy, the rediculous never ending "war", our phony money, etc. I'm just hoping Beauprez will do what is right on the two gun laws foisted on us, and get them rescinded. Most of the time it seems after the election is over the R's revert to the left of center, forget those campaign promises, and don't do a thing.


No. Chill out. Step away from the keyboard.

We are all on the same side here.

No more warnings. Be polite and respectful. Everyone. Not just you.

No more warnings.

[theGinsue]

No, back to here. Then bigmouth Great Bazoo decided to stir the crap, and I will not just take the garbage without comment.


No. Chill out. Step away from the keyboard.

We are all on the same side here.

No more warnings. Be polite and respectful. Everyone. Not just you.

No more warnings.

And for the record, we have a specific infraction for insulting other members. Name calling falls into this category.

If anyone on this site wants to anger me quickly, violate this rule first!

[milwaukeeshaker]

So this is not considered a posting to elicit a unfavorable response? No cussing, or brow beating here, right? I will not be insulted without a response in kind.


Get real. There is no REGISTRATION LIST. It's been beaten to death, yet you still insist on bringing up stupid shit.

Do us a favor, go start a gun registration thread somewhere, other than in a L&P discussion about the R candidate.

[def90]

If the Cubans invade you can never be too safe..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmrYVJWwBfE

[Great-Kazoo]

https://www.ar-15.co/images/tf_ideal/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo https://www.ar-15.co/images/tf_ideal/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.ar-15.co/showthread.php?p=1724363#post1724363)
Get real. There is no REGISTRATION LIST. It's been beaten to death, yet you still insist on bringing up stupid shit.

Do us a favor, go start a gun registration thread somewhere, other than in a L&P discussion about the R candidate.



So this is not considered a posting to elicit a unfavorable response? No cussing, or brow beating here, right? I will not be insulted without a response in kind.


It's nothing of the kind, unless you're sensitive to someone asking you, or ANYONE to show me Proof what you're saying is true. You in this thread like the other ones you went on a tirade about, cannot present Facts to support what you say. If that's an insult...........................................

[milwaukeeshaker]

Sorry, not gonna work this time.

[fail]

[XJ]

I didn't read all 16 pages, and am not going to. He ain't Hickenlooper, that's enough.


By the way, which candidate profited by employing the illegal who was convicted of murdering Denver PD Detective Young?

[jerrymrc]

Sorry, not gonna work this time.

[fail]

Your still not listening to Hoser. No more.

[Great-Kazoo]

I didn't read all 16 pages, and am not going to. He ain't Hickenlooper, that's enough.


By the way, which candidate profited by employing the illegal who was convicted of murdering Denver PD Detective Young?

he's even photo op'd IIRC in that bar for his re-election. Or maybe that one he had then sld to avoid conflict of interest his first term. Unfortunately 50% of this state and country have no clue, could care less or be bothered. That an ILLEGAL killed an officer, while under the hire of Johnny Hick. Reverse that and the D's would be screaming on top of lookout mountain, how could someone like BB be allowed to run after that incident.

[sniper7]

One step at a time guys. Let's focus on getting the word out to vote hick out of office. And not only hick, but any other anti-gun anti-freedom, Prius driving POS that voted for these BS laws. THEN, we can argue out what constitutes registration and how deep we need to go, but if we don't get the turds out of office, it will all be hot air.

[HoneyBadger]

And for the record, we have a specific infraction for insulting other members. Name calling falls into this category.

If anyone on this site wants to anger me quickly, violate this rule first!
You're such a big meanie-head!


[Coffee]

[sniper7]

Oh snap, honey badger don't give a shit again....well he might later when he tries to log on again!

[OneGuy67]

Did someone get a time out?

[Great-Kazoo]

Did someone get a time out?

Por que ?

[sandman76]

Porque.

[Hoser]

Did someone get a time out?

No. But two people almost did.

[Aloha_Shooter]

One step at a time guys. Let's focus on getting the word out to vote hick out of office. And not only hick, but any other anti-gun anti-freedom, Prius driving POS that voted for these BS laws. THEN, we can argue out what constitutes registration and how deep we need to go, but if we don't get the turds out of office, it will all be hot air.

[word]

[Zundfolge]

I'm just hoping Beauprez will do what is right on the two gun laws foisted on us, and get them rescinded.

He has said he will eagerly sign repeals. That said, it's not up to him, its up to the house and senate to pass repeal bills for him to sign. So we have to make sure that not only do we replace Hick with Bob but also replace a few D's with R's in the house and senate (and frighten the remaining D's into submission on this issue as well ... hopefully the recalls did that).

[StagLefty]

Por que ?

Pork who ? [ROFL2]

[Great-Kazoo]

Pork who ? [ROFL2]

Kay, por KAY or if one had their way, Poor Kay

[CO Hugh]

PS someone told me there is a great list out there if you want to know who owns firearms: Hunting Licenses.

[Great-Kazoo]

PS someone told me there is a great list out there if you want to know who owns firearms: Hunting Licenses.

I've used that on people who say I don't want to get a concealed carry permit, then the government will know i have guns.

Do you have a hunter safety card, Yeah why? They already know. They all get that same clouded over look. SQUIRREL>

Really, who cares ? You that paranoid, STAY OFF THE INTERNET! Especially Firearm related Forums.

[roberth]

He has said he will eagerly sign repeals. That said, it's not up to him, its up to the house and senate to pass repeal bills for him to sign. So we have to make sure that not only do we replace Hick with Bob but also replace a few D's with R's in the house and senate (and frighten the remaining D's into submission on this issue as well ... hopefully the recalls did that).

Exactly right. [Beer]

[BlasterBob]

I've used that on people who say I don't want to get a concealed carry permit, then the government will know i have guns.
.
The Feds merely have to gain access to the NRA's list of subscribers/donors and they'd have a good idea who PROBABLY has firearms.

[Great-Kazoo]

The Feds merely have to gain access to the NRA's list of subscribers/donors and they'd have a good idea who PROBABLY has firearms.

All our stuff is NFA, OOPS ;)

[buffalobo]

How did bacon get into this thread? Bacon should always have it's own thread.

lobbed from my electronic ball and chain

[milwaukeeshaker]

Beauprez may actually stand a chance. He seems to be answering back the attack ads. Most of the time it seems the R's try to play "nice" and it's probably not the greatest strategy. At this point, probably 50/50.

[sniper7]

Dems are scared. Had a little college aged girl come to the door tonight with flyers. They weren't on any side yet it showed Udall and dickinpooper in a very positive light and Gardner and beauprez in a bad light. I gave her a very solid agreement why she was an idiot and her followers were idiots for thinking these two dumbasses deserve a single vote.

this is the first time they've actually come to the door, so I know they are actually concerned about losing these two elections. I'd say it's more 60/40 right now.

[HoneyBadger]

Oh snap, honey badger don't give a shit again....well he might later when he tries to log on again!
Lol I'm still here. :)

[Great-Kazoo]

Lol I'm still here. :)

Still ?

[sniper7]

Lol I'm still here. :)

Maybe something got messed up? [Coffee]

[HoneyBadger]

Maybe something got messed up? [Coffee]


[Coffee]

[sniper7]

[Coffee]

[Coffee][Coffee]

[HoneyBadger]

[Coffee][Coffee]
Okay, now you're freaking me out a little.... [LOL]