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68Charger
10-09-2014, 22:30
The federal reserve.
Cool, as long as somebody's paying for it... [mop]
Cool, as long as somebody's paying for it... [mop]
Yeah. We are borrowing from ourselves to pay for the interest on more loans from ourselves. Might as well do it while we can, until humpty dumpty comes tumbling down.
sellersm
10-10-2014, 09:45
Germany now weighing in, calling the CDC "liars"!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkrOf9pxWds
mcantar18c
10-10-2014, 09:46
This is interesting...
Here's the Public Health Agency of Canada's current assessment of Ebola:
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/ebola-eng.php
And here's the same page a couple months ago:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140807031435/http://phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/ebola-eng.php
Can you catch the difference?
This is from the older page, under "Mode of Transmission." The bold items are no longer there on the current page...
In an outbreak, it is hypothesized that the first patient becomes infected as a result of contact with an infected animal. Person-to-person transmission occurs via close personal contact with an infected individual or their body fluids during the late stages of infection or after death. Nosocomial infections can occur through contact with infected body fluids due to the reuse of unsterilized syringes, needles, or other medical equipment contaminated with these fluids. Humans may be infected by handling sick or dead non-human primates and are also at risk when handling the bodies of deceased humans in preparation for funerals, suggesting possible transmission through aerosol droplets. In the laboratory, infection through small-particle aerosols has been demonstrated in primates, and airborne spread among humans is strongly suspected, although it has not yet been conclusively demonstrated. The importance of this route of transmission is not clear. Poor hygienic conditions can aid the spread of the virus.
Current page:
In an outbreak, it is hypothesized that the first patient becomes infected as a result of contact with an infected animal. Person-to-person transmission occurs via close personal contact with an infected individual or their body fluids during the late stages of infection or after death. Nosocomial infections can occur through contact with infected body fluids for example due to the reuse of unsterilized syringes, needles, or other medical equipment contaminated with these fluids. Humans may be infected by handling sick or dead non-human primates and are also at risk when handling the bodies of deceased humans in preparation for funerals.
In laboratory settings, non-human primates exposed to aerosolized ebolavirus from pigs have become infected, however, airborne transmission has not been demonstrated between non-human primates. Viral shedding has been observed in nasopharyngeal secretions and rectal swabs of pigs following experimental inoculation
You guys are going to get audited now. :)
Great-Kazoo
10-10-2014, 11:57
The federal reserve.
The federal reserve is neither FEDERAL or RESERVE. I wish we could float paper like the reserve and .gov do. OH no that's illegal [facepalm]
HoneyBadger
10-10-2014, 13:00
The federal reserve is neither FEDERAL or RESERVE. I wish we could float paper like the reserve and .gov do. OH no that's illegal [facepalm]
[Beer]
The federal reserve is neither FEDERAL or RESERVE.
Tell that to the keepers of the gun registration list.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/10/07/connecticut-health-department-gets-power-to-quarantine-possible-ebola-victims/
Connecticut health department gets power to quarantine possible Ebola victims
http://news.yahoo.com/airplane-held-tarmac-las-vegas-airport-due-ebola-194241683.html
Airplane briefly quarantined in Las Vegas due to Ebola false alarm
This is gonna get good...hide and watch.
Great-Kazoo
10-10-2014, 17:42
Tell that to the keepers of the gun registration list.
you have me confused with some other member, who's on the ignore list. PLEASE lets keep this about ANYTHING OTHER THAN GR, ANYTHING.
buffalobo
10-10-2014, 17:50
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/10/07/connecticut-health-department-gets-power-to-quarantine-possible-ebola-victims/
http://news.yahoo.com/airplane-held-tarmac-las-vegas-airport-due-ebola-194241683.html
This is gonna get good...hide and watch.
Yep. Hope it doesn't get to duck and cover.
Great-Kazoo
10-10-2014, 17:57
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/10/07/connecticut-health-department-gets-power-to-quarantine-possible-ebola-victims/
This is gonna get good...hide and watch.
Unfortunately the majority of ebola cases one will see in CT are gun owners, specifically the ones who didn't turn in their evil weapons of mass destruction. Think about it.
Well we were forced to shoot, after 2 of them made a break for it. Last thing we want is an epidemic on our hands.
sellersm
10-10-2014, 21:24
Yeppir. CT says goodbye to your rights if they suspect Ebola: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-10/public-health-emergency-declared-connecticut-over-ebola-civil-rights-suspended-indef
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sellersm
10-11-2014, 10:12
CDC says forced quarantine? Really? NOW? Kinda late to the party... http://news.yahoo.com/cdc-could-quarantine-u-s--citizens-for-weeks-if-they-refuse-ebola-screenings-230534518.html
buffalobo
10-12-2014, 07:02
Let's bump this thread with some more news.
I don't think hide and watch will be enough before this is over.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/12/health/ebola/index.html
hollohas
10-12-2014, 07:38
Yup, we've got this under control. Once again we see Ebola is impossible to catch. Guess our advanced healthcare techniques and prevention/isolation procedures aren't enough to stop the spread. Hopefully the nurse was being monitored and was isolated quickly.
It obvious healthcare workers have a high risk because they have the highest chance of contact with infected persons. But healthcare workers also have the best personal protection procedures. And those are seeming to have a high failure rate.
Right now Citizens don't have as high chance of contacting infected persons as healthcare workers, but I'd argue citizens are even more at risk because they aren't going to be using any personal protection procedures if they happen to contact an infected person. So what happens when more infections turn up outside the healthcare setting? If the virus is spreading inside the healthcare setting, you can bet it will spread much faster outside in the population.
Bailey Guns
10-12-2014, 08:15
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/12/health/ebola/index.html
From the CNN article:
Ebola is actually very difficult to catch. People are at risk if they come into very close contact with the blood, saliva, sweat, feces, semen, vomit or soiled clothing of an Ebola patient, or if they travel to affected areas in West Africa and come into contact with someone who has Ebola.
That should read:
Ebola is actually very difficult to catch. People are at risk if they come into very close contact with the blood, saliva, sweat, feces, semen, vomit or soiled clothing of an Ebola patient, or if they travel to affected areas in West Africa and come into contact with someone who has Ebola, even while wearing full protective gear and following "safety" protocols.
Singlestack
10-12-2014, 10:25
The other thing is the CDC is now saying "contact" with an infected person may happen within 3 feet - not necessarily direct contact. So much for having their story straight.
Kraven251
10-12-2014, 10:44
Every case resets the timer to 21 days, if we can get to say 35 days without a case we'll have turned a corner.
ruthabagah
10-12-2014, 11:16
funny how a couple of days ago, the media and cdc where criticizing the "sub par" medical team in spain after a nurse there caught ebola....
If you think this thing won't travel in hospitals, why is MRSA such an issue in hospitals?
HoneyBadger
10-12-2014, 16:50
The thread title should be changed to just "Ebola"
Possibly in Boston now:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2014/10/12/braintree-hospital-isolates-patient-with-ebola-like-symptoms/BJk9dYCxIbcapX6f9CIwtN/story.html?p1=Topopage:Test_B:Main_headline
Every case resets the timer to 21 days, if we can get to say 35 days without a case we'll have turned a corner.
I've been thinking about this. Let's say a full blown outbreak occurs and you decide to just ride it out inside your place for as long as you can (I think a lot of utilities will still be operational, hopefully). About how long would be a good time to self quarantine?
hollohas
10-12-2014, 19:49
The other thing is the CDC is now saying "contact" with an infected person may happen within 3 feet - not necessarily direct contact. So much for having their story straight.
That has always been the definition according to the CDC...they just made sure not to publicize it. That description of "contact" has been on their website for years.
hollohas
10-12-2014, 20:31
This particular Dallas hospital has now closed their ER. They are sending new patients elsewhere. So two ebola cases effectively closed an ER. Like I theorized before, hospitals in this country will cease to function properly if there are too many ebola cases in one area.
HoneyBadger
10-12-2014, 20:32
I've been thinking about this. Let's say a full blown outbreak occurs and you decide to just ride it out inside your place for as long as you can (I think a lot of utilities will still be operational, hopefully). About how long would be a good time to self quarantine?
I would stay in my home for 30 days after the last known local case, at a minimum.
HoneyBadger
10-12-2014, 20:33
This particular Dallas hospital has now closed their ER. They are sending new patients elsewhere. So two ebola cases effectively closed an ER. Like I theorized before, hospitals in this country will cease to function properly if there are too many ebola cases in one area.
If "too many" = 2 then we're seriously f%cked.
Wonder is this is true or not.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Denver/comments/2j305g/confirmed_ebola_at_denver_health/
HoneyBadger
10-12-2014, 22:01
Wonder is this is true or not.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Denver/comments/2j305g/confirmed_ebola_at_denver_health/
I sure hope not... I'm not ready to deal with this shit yet...
colorider
10-12-2014, 22:33
The Boston article says the guy w possible symptoms was recently in Liberia. Fucking shutt down travel from the place. Other countries have, why the fuck won't the US. Fuggin stupid if you ask me.
Didn't take long for this crisis to become a race issue.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/11/ebola-victims-nephew-says-uncle-died-for-a-simple-reason-hes-a-black-man-without-insurance/
kidicarus13
10-13-2014, 07:42
Didn't take long for this crisis to become a race issue.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/11/ebola-victims-nephew-says-uncle-died-for-a-simple-reason-hes-a-black-man-without-insurance/
I thought the cost of everyone's insurance went up so everyone could be on Obamacare.
HoneyBadger
10-13-2014, 08:23
You have got to be kidding me, leave it to the left to "dance on the graves" of the recently deceased and try to blame the Republicans for it. Republicans are NOT responsible for Ebola, Shoddy border security and improper attention to detail and perhaps missing over 60% of your intel briefings may have a slight thing to do with it.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/10/13/ad_blames_gop_budget_cuts_for_ebola_outbreak.html
Didn't take long for this crisis to become a race issue.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/11/ebola-victims-nephew-says-uncle-died-for-a-simple-reason-hes-a-black-man-without-insurance/
Well, I guess you should be even more careful about contracting this disease then, huh Mr. Weeks?
Just wow on the ad blaming the Ebola outbreak on Republicans.
Kewl!
The (R) is all powerful. We made Katrina happen and now we can control an enormously dangerous and contagions virus.
If we're so powerful why are there still communists in this country?
You have got to be kidding me, leave it to the left to "dance on the graves" of the recently deceased and try to blame the Republicans for it. Republicans are NOT responsible for Ebola, Shoddy border security and improper attention to detail and perhaps missing over 60% of your intel briefings may have a slight thing to do with it.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/10/13/ad_blames_gop_budget_cuts_for_ebola_outbreak.html
We're witnessing that "special kind of stupid" which occurs on the left from the useful idiots.
Firehaus
10-13-2014, 10:32
This linked popped up on my FB yesterday.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/10/12/state-with-highest-uninsured-rate-is-the-first-to-find-ebola-in-its-borders/
This was my response that received no reply...
Or...the man could have answered questions honestly in Africa before getting on the plane. Which would of caused him to be banned for travel preventing the whole Texas outbreak. Personally responsibility is lacking and this is a bit of fear mongering.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/02/liberia-ebola-patient-thomas-duncan-airport-screening/16591753/
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It should be a felony to lie about traveling to an infected area.
It should be a felony to lie about traveling to an infected area.
I think it should be a tremendous fine for starters, but if they come back with some infectious disease such as this and infect a single other person due to their intentional disregard for others, then yes... a felony is suitable in my opinion. If an innocent victim (even their family member) dies due to their willful stupidity, then charge them with murder...
I think it should be a tremendous fine for starters, but if they come back with some infectious disease such as this and infect a single other person due to their intentional disregard for others, then yes... a felony is suitable in my opinion. If an innocent victim (even their family member) dies due to their willful stupidity, then charge them with murder...
Yup, charge a person with murder for infecting other people like that stupid bastard who ended up in Dallas. After a quick trial and they're found guilty deny them care so they die, that'll be their sentence. People still won't care if they infect other people though, 50%+ mortality rate kinda makes some people not care about much of anything.
Isn't that like prosecuting someone for committing suicide?
Great-Kazoo
10-13-2014, 22:09
Isn't that like prosecuting someone for committing suicide?
Like there are no stupid or useless laws signed in to law every day?
hollohas
10-15-2014, 06:51
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/15/texas-health-officials-say-second-healthcare-worker-at-dallas-hospital-tests/
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/15/texas-health-officials-say-second-healthcare-worker-at-dallas-hospital-tests/
Yup, the 'bola is a tough little bastard, I'm making the assumption that all procedures including don/doff were followed to the letter. Obola (I wish I had a tiny little gif of the Obama symbol for the first O in Obola) will take any opening presented, just like a liberal with a new gun control law, give them an inch and they'll take all your rights.
We wouldn't be having this problem if the administration would have refused to accept air traffic from any route connected to West Africa, kinda like when the Administration told airlines they couldn't fly to Ben Gurion b/c Hamas might shoot the plane down.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/23/travel/israel-flights-suspended/
I love the hubris, (those idiots, in spite of their failures in Benghazi, our southern border, and elsewhere), have the audacity to think they can control a persistent and noxious virus for which there is NO cure and has at least a 50% kill rate.
HoneyBadger
10-15-2014, 08:00
The CDC said Tuesday 76 people at the hospital could have been exposed to Duncan after his second ER visit. Another 48 people are being monitored for possible exposure before he was hospitalized.
Isn't that like prosecuting someone for committing suicide?
Yes, if said infectious disease has a 100% mortality rate... Ebola doesn't. Most infectious diseases don't... So No.
Now reported that the 2nd nurse flew Frontier from Cleveland to DFW on 10/13, went to hospital 10/14.
Now reported that the 2nd nurse flew Frontier from Cleveland to DFW on 10/13, went to hospital 10/14.
So much for close monitoring of all staff who treated him.
hollohas
10-15-2014, 12:26
Dallas news is now reporting the 2nd nurse did have low grade fever while on plane. 99.5deg they say...
EDITED to include source because I don't like hearsay:
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis/
CBS News Medical Correspondent Dr. John LaPook reports that Vinson called the CDC several times before boarding the plane concerned about her fever and was told she was OK to board.
Ebola Timeline and Tracker site. Preppers, start your engines. I am warming up my prep list. Disclaimer: My wife is a physician.
http://healthmap.org/ebola/#timeline
It won't take too many ebola cases to overwhelm ER/cliinic/hospitals nationwide.
The way it starts with a low-grade fever, then the coughing, puking, and that crap gets everywhere. They'll have to close the facility to decontaminate it.
I got my flu shot today. I normally do not do this but with the symptoms for both being similar, I figured why not. At least then they'll suspect Ebola first instead of just sending me home.
SuperiorDG
10-15-2014, 13:59
This is getting out of control
BREAKING: A Texas nurse who has been infected with Ebola took a Frontier Airlines flight the day before she showed symptoms: http://dpo.st/1qt2H7Uhttps://www.ar-15.co/image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhEgASAPeCALTttfLy8mHSYNTm1FfPVt3 r3CmEJ6jqqRd7FmvWa/T484Pdg93733fad/b69k7MTfPz88DbwDSLMlmgWI/hkEKTQZvGmju0OpzmnIe6hg92DQx0Cvz8/Bp8GPf398jgyCeYJj RPv///z 4PsXjxWeoZkW3RKnaqmrVak26TITOhGOxYWGuYaDfodjm1z2UP EvISsPdwk pTszhzO717i6ILZzbnTGJL1 tXnCtb1W4VPn8 YvYi/Dy8KThpHPJc rz6R2DG2KsYhyKG v064ncisrgysHewF jXi6QLUiWRzuxOs3izdP11W/Mb0uwSiqHKRF7Dy6eLWKlYNbl1nO7ch2TG Xs5TihN3OvcsbexcDcv226bdnn2cPxxfDx8Nrq2pfNlxSAEki2 R5PLlFW6VTGSMD 1Pj6rPWWvZTKeMJTfk32/fbLWsjeuNnzAfPz9/DiqN0K1Qo7Xj7/fvxt GmrOaiKFIE63TdPk02qqaWrGadnp2X7NfsDxwcr1zNT41hmQF////wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA CH5BAEAAIIALAAAAAASABIAAAj/AAUJHCiwAA2CCAfCsaBkA5Q6CCZoSSgQzA0hJxhobELmxRQHCA d0YAOopMmSaSqAFKjAwJs/MGP sRHICws9AzPg8MOzpx8VgaoE8qFhgEADLQAoXdonEAkRYQJxyS KowJ0DWAPxOPAjEB0OHIBYmSNBUAQzGDAEkhFoT6AjHjzwCaRj TQezSSgEWtFjS6A2ECC4CFSGQhEEVYMsCGQkQIArXwJQCYRnwQ InZQUZsJMi0AzHAfIEGtOg9JMcAjNgSWAiEBMIXQLJSUAbRVGW BtAIOBPoQ6AlAoILUFOC4AAEcQhcCHSBgHMCUkKsHDigBogRD7 LDcDMEiQKKOyxUDdggJkrEGBQTFiCSPiAAOw==
Now reported that the 2nd nurse flew Frontier from Cleveland to DFW on 10/13, went to hospital 10/14.
Don't forget the nurse flew DFW to Cleveland 10/10 as well. Those little dots of possible contamination are scary if you think about it. Family in Cleveland had a few days of contact. Now they have been in contact with their friends and relatives. Add the airport/planes and any places the infected nurse has been lately........ Not good.
hollohas
10-15-2014, 15:26
Both of the other victims took about 48 hours to get positive diagnosis. And the CDC has publicly acknowledged that's how long the test takes. This 2nd nurse just went to the hospital yesterday and they had a positive diagnosis by early this morning. 24 hours? Do they have a new, faster testing technique?
Do they have a new, faster testing technique?
Boisen of Colorado’s Corginex said that his team’s product in-progress can confirm the presence of Ebola in only 15 minutes, and is already being used to detect Lassa, a similar virus, spreading in West Africa.
http://rt.com/usa/196224-ebola-rapid-blood-test/
HoneyBadger
10-15-2014, 15:47
Time to buy stock in Corgenix...
BushMasterBoy
10-15-2014, 15:55
The worst part of ebola, is when you get it on your penis...
DENVER — June 26, 2014 — Corgenix Medical Corporation (http://www.corgenix.com/) (OTC BB: CONX.OB), a worldwide developer and marketer of diagnostic test kits, has been awarded a three-year, $2.9 million National Institutes of Health (NIH) grant to advance the development of an Ebola rapid diagnostic test kit. Collaborating with Corgenix on the program will be members of the Viral Hemorrhagic Fever Consortium (http://www.vhfc.org/) (VHFC), a collaboration of academic and industry members headed by Tulane University and partially funded with support from the NIH.
http://www.corgenix.com/news-releases/corgenix-research-group-announce-nih-grant-to-advance-work-on-ebola-rapid-diagnostic-test-kit/
Time to buy stock in Corgenix...
It's only 30cents a share...and up 13.8% today.
The worst part of ebola, is when you get it on your penis...
...if you have your pecker out of your britches while around an ebola patient, you have bigger (mental/sanity/sexuality) problems...
HoneyBadger
10-15-2014, 16:41
http://www.corgenix.com/news-releases/corgenix-research-group-announce-nih-grant-to-advance-work-on-ebola-rapid-diagnostic-test-kit/
Yup.
It's only 30cents a share...and up 13.8% today.
Yup.
Time to buy stock in Corgenix...
Just like in World War Z right?
hollohas
10-15-2014, 17:01
Corgenix CEO Douglass Simpson said that as a reaction to the recent outbreak, the VHFC has shifted most of its efforts to the final phase of activity contemplated by the current NIH grant. Simpson also noted that, contrary to recent reports in the press, Corgenix has not finalized development of the Ebola products. “I want to strongly emphasize that this is a new three-year project, building off work commenced in 2010. We do not currently have an Ebola test nor will we likely have a final one in the near future,”
http://www.corgenix.com/news-releases/corgenix-provides-update-on-ebola-test-kit-nih-grant/
Great-Kazoo
10-15-2014, 18:08
The worst part of ebola, is when you get it on your penis...
You need to go more that those first 4-5 inches to avoid it.
Remember these words? --> Never let a crisis go to waste.
Keep your eyes on the Feds and the locals, pay attention to what they're doing and lead by saying something innocent.
WOW- just WOW
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/15/cdc-officials-confirm-they-told-dallas-ebola-patient-it-was-ok-for-her-to-fly-even-with-low-grade-fever-report/
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said that Vinson called the agency several times before flying, saying that she had a fever with a temperature of 99.5 degrees. But because her fever wasn’t 100.4 degrees or higher, she didn’t officially fall into the group of “high risk” and was allowed to fly.Officials in the U.S. have been trying to calm fears over the Ebola crisis, but time and again events have overtaken their assurances.
hollohas
10-15-2014, 19:25
WOW- just WOW
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/15/cdc-officials-confirm-they-told-dallas-ebola-patient-it-was-ok-for-her-to-fly-even-with-low-grade-fever-report/
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Old news...
Dallas news is now reporting the 2nd nurse did have low grade fever while on plane. 99.5deg they say...
EDITED to include source because I don't like hearsay:
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis/
CBS News Medical Correspondent Dr. John LaPook reports that Vinson called the CDC several times before boarding the plane concerned about her fever and was told she was OK to board.
All joking aside, this truly is amazing, scary and laughable that the CDC can't even do the most basic things right. This is unbelievable. Every single thing they have done and said has been a complete lie, inaccuracy and failure.
Old news...
Hey! You edited a post 4hrs after you posted it... That doesn't count....
All joking aside, this truly is amazing, scary and laughable that the CDC can't even do the most basic things right. This is unbelievable. Every single thing they have done and said has been a complete lie, inaccuracy and failure.
Agreed. Whoever made the call to tell that woman to get on that plane needs to be punched in the dick-- repeatedly.
The stupidity in that organization runs deep.
hollohas
10-15-2014, 20:14
What I dont get is that for decades the CDC has known ebola is so bad that when they study it they are in the most advanced isolation labs in the world. With multiple levels of containment. They won't even let the air out of their labs they are so worried about it.
But now that the virus is running around in the American public, the CDC says no big deal, "any hospital in the nation can treat ebola patients" because it's impossible to catch.
The CDC guys know the danger. They have proved that with their own safety measures they have tested and perfected for decades. So why all the BS? I think they have been instructed to act like it's no big deal. To not make a big show by sending expert teams to help containment, to not tell the truth, to not recommend shutting down the airlines (Because I believe that's what the real CDC protocol would do)...they are puppets who are being controlled to maintain an administration agenda . it's just one more bullet point in a very long list of administration failures, slow to act, nonexistent leadership and coverups.
WOW...again...
There are photos circulating of some dipshit out there in plain clothes when they are loading her on the plane to Atlanta. Everyone else is in full gear. Darwin is strong with that one.
Pretty simple really. The cdc has to act that way so the people don't panic and blow up the economy. It's not like a major eruption of infections are going to happen day 47. Just wait a few more weeks though.
hollohas
10-15-2014, 21:31
The Gov is doing just fine blowing up the economy without our help.
Great-Kazoo
10-15-2014, 22:05
Pretty simple really. The cdc has to act that way so the people don't panic and blow up the economy. It's not like a major eruption of infections are going to happen day 47. Just wait a few more weeks though.
Hey man, Obama said he shook hands with the doctors who've been in contact with the infected. BUT not any nurses. WHAT A FUKING TOOL
Can we start another Ebola thread? Apparently it's THAT important!
Can we start another Ebola thread? Apparently it's THAT important!
Hey Bro, we've already got this Ebola thread started. START YOUR OWN! (inside another, unrelated thread)
HoneyBadger
10-15-2014, 22:15
Can we start another Ebola thread? Apparently it's THAT important!
I would, but I don't want to get put in timeout... [gohome]
Great-Kazoo
10-15-2014, 22:20
Hey Bro, we've already got this Ebola thread started. START YOUR OWN! (inside another, unrelated thread)
precious metals is ^^ that way >>
I would, but I don't want to get put in timeout... [gohome]
MEOW..
mcantar18c
10-16-2014, 07:44
I saw a thread from a helicopter EMT group asking people if they would pick up/transport a suspected Ebola case or not (they have the right to refuse a call for the safety of the crew). The general consensus was absolutely not.
Brings up an interesting thought... medical care for an Ebola patient requires humans willing to care for them, and it seems like many aren't willing to. So what direction will society turn when the amount of available care resources start decreasing faster than the infection is spreading? When CNN says "thousands of hospital workers not showing up for work," THAT'S when we'll start to see real panic.
Another sentiment thrown around there was that given the likelihood that this will turn into an epidemic, it would be best to go get infected right now while there are still a good amount of resources to care for you and hope for the best. Best case you'll end up with some immunity to it... worst case, well if you catch it later on you're dead anyway.
Interesting that these are the thoughts of our medical professionals.
No helicopter? No problem. Just board an airplane to anywhere you want.
My wife is a primary care nurse and she is already nervous about this. They finally started screening patients via the phone before letting them come in but not everyone is truthful on that which I don't understand. If you might have Ebola, don't you want them to know ASAP? Her bosses have a long meeting today about Ebola so steps are seemingly in the works. I'm nervous for her and don't know if I'd let her go to work if it gets bad.
My wife is a primary care nurse and she is already nervous about this. They finally started screening patients via the phone before letting them come in but not everyone is truthful on that which I don't understand. If you might have Ebola, don't you want them to know ASAP? Her bosses have a long meeting today about Ebola so steps are seemingly in the works. I'm nervous for her and don't know if I'd let her go to work if it gets bad.
This is a test of a person's integrity and honesty, at least half of the people tested will fail.
Duncan failed the test too. He had to know he had it, did he show even the slightest concern for his fellow human beings? NO, and he got what he deserved after he infected at least 2 other people. What a fuckin' piece of shit Thomas Duncan was.
Duncan is believed to have flown to the U.S. via Brussels on Sept. 20. United Airlines believes he took two connecting United flights that day to get to Dallas — flying from Brussels to Washington Dulles on Flight 951 and then from Dulles to Dallas-Fort Worth on Flight 822 the same day.
sellersm
10-16-2014, 10:39
Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) says that Ebola is indeed airborne: http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-workers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola
And did you see what happened in Cleveland? That nurse apparently made a stop in Cleveland, and now they're (over?) reacting: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2795511/ebola-fears-grip-cleveland-two-schools-shut-teachers-sent-home-nurses-paid-leave-second-nurse-catch-deadly-virus-stopped-city.html
The CDC is batting .000 so far. Complacency and overconfidence have put the public at unnecessary risk. It's difficult to believe that this level of incompetence is unintentional.
Great-Kazoo
10-16-2014, 10:50
EVERYONE NEEDS TO RELAX The CDC is evolving in it's response to the Ebola Scare and like President Obama says it's merely a Junior Varsity disease ;)
I've been invited to a Webinar in about 8 minutes via the UCD School of Public Health. I'll see if I cna figure out a way to record it and post it up. This is information for health professionals, by health professionals.
link: Ebola from an Occupational Health Perspective
Thursday, Oct. 16 | 11 a.m.
Dr. Lee Newman, ColoradoSPH professor for Environmental & Occupational Health and director of the Center for Worker Health will present a webinar on the Ebola virus. This will include an update to public health concerns and the occupational health response.
Register today <http://t.hsms05.com/e1t/c/*W6yJrC35fWKsgVtn9lk54y-Xv0/*N4ffwl72hfyxW1bYpQS651R-20/5/f18dQhb0S5fg8XJ8PxW91BHcb7PKkCqN12h74Pd_Vc0W5vGrjF 5dlbVMW2K4R9r8ZkD0BW7rD_JM8W2ncDW32q0P68X4zzqW8Wm1 tt31qJZpW2MDk-058QqyhVvM6pK7vkQkkW4bJ02h4b_rKwW7MbC3Q5pXc-6W7PN6th96zRPSW6bT6L38RRjRDN5CkCbgp8LJhW5D8zFF6bVz cWW18dLZ_52YlfxW3_8mpl9fgwMTW4fdx1R8T44lXW1jzwjh7s xpx0W1RMyL-8g0jSJW4Bd3f24jQq6MN7xbdPWrNvCmW2cppHN7nBfQhVHCXfC 7tCd67W6XQ2K62dFdmNVwwWT6841qbWW7HTY8H5N1L_bW56DSb 56xN_NjMwcQkj5BZnvW8nDXSC8S-c3lW3Cdk0d3wv7SmW6x-Qb42LCvJ9W1HlmM149vxLzW7v5YPR2Sw2fQW3xnqCb714h8QW1 nzDYr9lLPhxW2xwj4d3LqpRsW8Slhg95yqnJPW5l0Pvm4xd-k7TGL-R17FkFW103> (http://t.hsms05.com/e1t/c/*W6yJrC35fWKsgVtn9lk54y-Xv0/*N4ffwl72hfyxW1bYpQS651R-20/5/f18dQhb0S5fg8XJ8PxW91BHcb7PKkCqN12h74Pd_Vc0W5vGrjF 5dlbVMW2K4R9r8ZkD0BW7rD_JM8W2ncDW32q0P68X4zzqW8Wm1 tt31qJZpW2MDk-058QqyhVvM6pK7vkQkkW4bJ02h4b_rKwW7MbC3Q5pXc-6W7PN6th96zRPSW6bT6L38RRjRDN5CkCbgp8LJhW5D8zFF6bVz cWW18dLZ_52YlfxW3_8mpl9fgwMTW4fdx1R8T44lXW1jzwjh7s xpx0W1RMyL-8g0jSJW4Bd3f24jQq6MN7xbdPWrNvCmW2cppHN7nBfQhVHCXfC 7tCd67W6XQ2K62dFdmNVwwWT6841qbWW7HTY8H5N1L_bW56DSb 56xN_NjMwcQkj5BZnvW8nDXSC8S-c3lW3Cdk0d3wv7SmW6x-Qb42LCvJ9W1HlmM149vxLzW7v5YPR2Sw2fQW3xnqCb714h8QW1 nzDYr9lLPhxW2xwj4d3LqpRsW8Slhg95yqnJPW5l0Pvm4xd-k7TGL-R17FkFW103) for this timely, free webinar!
This webinar is hosted by Axion Health.
You have to sign up, and I don't know if there's a limit on the number of attendees.
hollohas
10-16-2014, 11:27
http://www.courant.com/health/hc-yale-new-haven-hospital-1017-20141016-story.html
NEW HAVEN — Officials say Yale-New Haven Hospital expects to receive test results in the next 24 hours on a patient who recently traveled to Liberia and was admitted Wednesday night with a fever.
The patient is one of two Yale University students who returned home last week after spending a month in Liberia researching the Ebola outbreak, according to the New Haven mayor's office....
...When they returned from Liberia, the students initially planned to sequester themselves for 21 days. Paul D. Cleary, dean of Yale University's School of Public Health, said Monday in a letter that "after carefully considering the matter, a university-wide team of physicians, epidemiologists and senior administrators concluded that a 21-day sequestration was unnecessary."The decision not to sequester the students was made in coordination with the CDC, Yale Medical School Dean Robert Alpern said at the press conference....
The CDC is batting .000 so far. Complacency and overconfidence have put the public at unnecessary risk. It's difficult to believe that this level of incompetence is unintentional.
What did you expect? The CDC is based in Atlanta... I moved away from there to escape the idiocy of that city's population.
I am convinced their incompetence is the result of the Atlanta-esque "Fake-It til you Make-It" approach to life.
sellersm
10-16-2014, 11:48
EVERYONE NEEDS TO RELAX The CDC is evolving in it's response to the Ebola Scare and like President Obama says it's merely a Junior Varsity disease ;)
Thanks Jim! I feel better now... [Sarcasm2]
Watched a little bit of the CDC chief on CNN in my building's break room, no need to panic and no need for travel bans to and from W Africa. Even though Europe has already done so and haven't had anyone yet cross their border and spread it to two other people.
Why is he sending the military to Africa, isn't that what the Peace Corps is for?
Thanks Jim! I feel better now... [Sarcasm2]
Would you say you feel 100.4% better, or only 99.5% better?
I wasn't able to record the webinar, but it will be available on the School of Public Health's website in a couple of days. Synopsis: The CDC is scrambling to get their shit together, now that this has become real. PPE requirements have gone from Gown and mask to spacesuit. A minimum NIOSH N95 or better respirator is recommended. New guidelines for disinfecting surfaces, hand disinfection between each stage of doffing PPE. It sounds like they are beginning to take this seriously, finally.
hollohas
10-16-2014, 11:59
I wasn't able to record the webinar, but it will be available on the School of Public Health's website in a couple of days. Synopsis: The CDC is scrambling to get their shit together, now that this has become real. PPE requirements have gone from Gown and mask to spacesuit. A minimum NIOSH N95 or better respirator is recommended. New guidelines for disinfecting surfaces, hand disinfection between each stage of doffing PPE. It sounds like they are beginning to take this seriously, finally.
So basically the same PPE procedures the CDC has been using in their own ebola labs for decades...
HoneyBadger
10-16-2014, 12:00
So basically the same PPE procedures the CDC has been using in their own ebola labs for decades...
Yup.
Aloha_Shooter
10-16-2014, 12:03
Why is he sending the military to Africa, isn't that what the Peace Corps is for?
... but Obama likes the good little Socialists in the Peace Corps. If he sends the military, he gets to drag down the operational military budget, look tough on TV, and maybe kill off a few people who are trained to think and provide for themselves.
sellersm
10-16-2014, 12:06
... but Obama likes the good little Socialists in the Peace Corps. If he sends the military, he gets to drag down the operational military budget, look tough on TV, and maybe kill off a few people who are trained to think and provide for themselves.
Winner, winner, chicken dinner! Ding ding... Let's add also that they can all come home and infect their loved ones!
sellersm
10-16-2014, 12:06
So basically the same PPE procedures the CDC has been using in their own ebola labs for decades...
Go figure... [facepalm]
Great-Kazoo
10-16-2014, 12:40
I've been invited to a Webinar in about 8 minutes via the UCD School of Public Health. I'll see if I cna figure out a way to record it and post it up. This is information for health professionals, by health professionals.
link: Ebola from an Occupational Health Perspective
Thursday, Oct. 16 | 11 a.m.
Dr. Lee Newman, ColoradoSPH professor for Environmental & Occupational Health and director of the Center for Worker Health will present a webinar on the Ebola virus. This will include an update to public health concerns and the occupational health response.
Register today <http://t.hsms05.com/e1t/c/*W6yJrC35fWKsgVtn9lk54y-Xv0/*N4ffwl72hfyxW1bYpQS651R-20/5/f18dQhb0S5fg8XJ8PxW91BHcb7PKkCqN12h74Pd_Vc0W5vGrjF 5dlbVMW2K4R9r8ZkD0BW7rD_JM8W2ncDW32q0P68X4zzqW8Wm1 tt31qJZpW2MDk-058QqyhVvM6pK7vkQkkW4bJ02h4b_rKwW7MbC3Q5pXc-6W7PN6th96zRPSW6bT6L38RRjRDN5CkCbgp8LJhW5D8zFF6bVz cWW18dLZ_52YlfxW3_8mpl9fgwMTW4fdx1R8T44lXW1jzwjh7s xpx0W1RMyL-8g0jSJW4Bd3f24jQq6MN7xbdPWrNvCmW2cppHN7nBfQhVHCXfC 7tCd67W6XQ2K62dFdmNVwwWT6841qbWW7HTY8H5N1L_bW56DSb 56xN_NjMwcQkj5BZnvW8nDXSC8S-c3lW3Cdk0d3wv7SmW6x-Qb42LCvJ9W1HlmM149vxLzW7v5YPR2Sw2fQW3xnqCb714h8QW1 nzDYr9lLPhxW2xwj4d3LqpRsW8Slhg95yqnJPW5l0Pvm4xd-k7TGL-R17FkFW103> (http://t.hsms05.com/e1t/c/*W6yJrC35fWKsgVtn9lk54y-Xv0/*N4ffwl72hfyxW1bYpQS651R-20/5/f18dQhb0S5fg8XJ8PxW91BHcb7PKkCqN12h74Pd_Vc0W5vGrjF 5dlbVMW2K4R9r8ZkD0BW7rD_JM8W2ncDW32q0P68X4zzqW8Wm1 tt31qJZpW2MDk-058QqyhVvM6pK7vkQkkW4bJ02h4b_rKwW7MbC3Q5pXc-6W7PN6th96zRPSW6bT6L38RRjRDN5CkCbgp8LJhW5D8zFF6bVz cWW18dLZ_52YlfxW3_8mpl9fgwMTW4fdx1R8T44lXW1jzwjh7s xpx0W1RMyL-8g0jSJW4Bd3f24jQq6MN7xbdPWrNvCmW2cppHN7nBfQhVHCXfC 7tCd67W6XQ2K62dFdmNVwwWT6841qbWW7HTY8H5N1L_bW56DSb 56xN_NjMwcQkj5BZnvW8nDXSC8S-c3lW3Cdk0d3wv7SmW6x-Qb42LCvJ9W1HlmM149vxLzW7v5YPR2Sw2fQW3xnqCb714h8QW1 nzDYr9lLPhxW2xwj4d3LqpRsW8Slhg95yqnJPW5l0Pvm4xd-k7TGL-R17FkFW103) for this timely, free webinar!
This webinar is hosted by Axion Health.
You have to sign up, and I don't know if there's a limit on the number of attendees.
9 news is doing something similar.
kidicarus13
10-16-2014, 13:10
Another sentiment thrown around there was that given the likelihood that this will turn into an epidemic, it would be best to go get infected right now while there are still a good amount of resources to care for you and hope for the best. Best case you'll end up with some immunity to it... worst case, well if you catch it later on you're dead anyway.
Dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Would you say you feel 100.4% better, or only 99.5% better?
Very, very clever. [Coffee]
Aloha_Shooter
10-16-2014, 15:08
Dumbest thing I've ever heard.
I don't know, I think I've heard Nancy Pelosi and Sheila Jackson-Lee say dumber things. Then there's Diana Degette and her idea that high capacity magazines are used up once you shoot them.
Great-Kazoo
10-16-2014, 15:15
Anyone else buying PM's ?
hollohas
10-16-2014, 15:16
Anyone else buying PM's ?
Well now you're getting confused. Hard to keep track...
Great-Kazoo
10-16-2014, 15:19
Well now you're getting confused. Hard to keep track...
No Feces. There's 2-3 threads that have veered so far off course, i thought i was on huffpo's comments section. [LOL]
hollohas
10-16-2014, 15:21
No Feces. There's 2-3 threads that have veered so far off course, i thought i was on huffpo's comments section. [LOL]
Haha.
The original ebola thread has turned into a hunting thread. The PM thread turned into a ebola/filter thread. The Texas ebola thread wasn't enough so we added a third about ebola fails. Dizzy...
Aloha_Shooter
10-16-2014, 15:23
If this was HuffPo, someone would have to drop in some obligatory comments about Republicans being Nazis, gun owners compensating for size, and some random crap about Hollyweird or music "stars" ...
If this was HuffPo, someone would have to drop in some obligatory comments about Republicans being Nazis, gun owners compensating for size, and some random crap about Hollyweird or music "stars" ...
http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/3/2/2/4/8/7/9/adolf-gop-101789689242.jpeg#adolf%20gop
http://blog.joehuffman.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/assaultweaponspenissomeecards.png
http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/wp-content/uploads/keeping-up-with-the-kardashians.jpg
hollohas
10-16-2014, 15:48
Possible case in New Haven came back negative.
NEW HAVEN, CT (WFSB) -The test results for the Yale research student, who was admitted to hospital with Ebola-like symptoms, came back negative, sources said.
http://www.wfsb.com/story/26802243/yale-new-haven-hospital-treating-quarantined-patient?autostart=true
Oh good. Everyone can relax now.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/obama-authorizes-national-guard-reserves-ebola-fight-n227336
President Barack Obama issued an executive order on Thursday paving the way for the deployment of National Guard and Reserve forces to West Africa to help contain the Ebola outbreak there.
Under the mandate (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/10/16/executive-order-ordering-selected-reserve-and-certain-individual-ready-r), the secretaries of defense and homeland security can order to active duty some members of the Selected Reserve and the Individual Ready Reserve mobilization.
Yeah, because it isn't stupid enough or evil enough to have the regular Army there.
hollohas
10-16-2014, 15:59
Unbelievable. It makes me absolutely furious that that dipshit is sending our military over there.
hollohas
10-16-2014, 16:31
I am sick and tired of every media outlet regurgitating the CDC line that you can't catch ebola without "contact" with an infected individual. And continuing to say it's impossible to catch by sitting next to someone if you don't touch them. Some examples...
With the first Ebola death in the U.S., should I be worried? (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/09/health/ebola-q-and-a/index.html?iid=article_sidebar)
Ebola is actually very difficult to catch. You would only be at risk if you came into very close contact with the blood, saliva, sweat, feces, semen, vomit or soiled clothing of an Ebola patient, or if you had traveled to the impacted areas in West Africa and came into contact with someone who had Ebola.
Or this (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/02/travel/ebola-risk-travelers/index.html?iid=article_sidebar)
It's unlikely the virus would spread on an airplane unless a passenger were to come into contact with a sick person's bodily fluids, said Dr. Marty Cetron (http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/30/health/how-ebola-spreads/), director of CDC's Division of Global Migration and Quarantine.
Yet not one of them has bothered to look up the definition of close contact.
Or this (http://kdvr.com/tag/ebola/)
Instead, Ebola could be considered moderately contagious, because the virus is not transmitted through the air. The most contagious diseases, such as measles or influenza, virus particles are airborne.
Humans can be infected by other humans if they come in contact with body fluids from an infected person or contaminated objects from infected persons.
Yet not one of the reports even bother to find out what the definition of "close contact" is.
Every media outlet is using the word "contact" in the context that people physically have to touch infected material or people. But the CDC uses the word "contact" in an entirely different way.
From the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/monitoring-and-movement-of-persons-with-exposure.html)
Close contactClose contact is defined as
being within approximately 3 feet (1 meter) of an EVD patient or within the patient’s room or care area for a prolonged period of time (e.g., health care personnel, household members) while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment...
This means sitting on a plane next to someone for a couple hours. This means living in a house with someone. It means being near infected people. But they keep telling us that's no risk even though years of prior guidance totally contradicts everything they say. Arg.
sellersm
10-16-2014, 17:09
See Post #334
hollohas
10-16-2014, 18:04
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Breaking News: Obama just appointed an Ebola Czar "to monitor the outbreak."
Congrats HOLLOHAS!!!!!
;)
BladesNBarrels
10-17-2014, 08:28
He is okay. He will be flying coach class to Atlanta with the paperwork to show Tom Friedman of the CDC that all of the protocols are being followed properly.
hollohas
10-17-2014, 08:33
Breaking News: Obama just appointed an Ebola Czar "to monitor the outbreak."
Congrats HOLLOHAS!!!!!
;)
I was first in line but refused the offer. I told them to add me to the no call list and then blocked his number.
hollohas
10-17-2014, 09:01
But in reality, this Czar is effectively a replacement for the CDC head, Frieden. But instead of firing Frieden, Bama just put more cooks in the kitchen.
Sounds like a guy named Ron Klain got the job. He is a Democrat insider, a major political operative and lobbist with ZERO experience with emergency preparedness, health care, infectious diseases control, emergency management, interagency coordination or anything else that could be considered experience in handling a situation like this.
In other words, another Bama hack.
Swell, another nitwit with zero leadership skills.
Great-Kazoo
10-17-2014, 11:53
Anyone else hear or read on the 4 quarantined in tx from the plane?
There are 7 quarantined in Ohio at the hospital where our friend works. The hospital has told the staff ZERO about Ebola procedures.
I know it's all of our nature, including my own, to be prepared and read between the lines, recognize the signs, etc... that's what good and aware citizen do. We keep our heads out of the sand.
That being said, I personally have done the "math" and cannot get all worked up about Ebola, even with it here in our borders. Maybe I'm naive for once in my life, if so, I know my friends here will enlighten me, but I don't think so.
It seems to me that folks are alarmed just because it's "new"... the same kind of hysteria about other "new" things is seen all around us, like the iPhone6 (BFD). Something makes headlines, people formulate an opinion instantly and spew that opinion feverishly (pun intended), propagating nonsense amongst the sheeple. Here we are again.
Personally, the Flu puts Ebola into perspective for me and it probably should for you too. Flu is not only more contagious and more rapidly mutating, but it actually has an exponentially higher death record (50+K per year), not just speculation.... The fact that we haven't all been wiped out yet by Flu, tells me we're really not likely to be by Ebola either.
But that's just me...
Great-Kazoo
10-17-2014, 12:32
I know it's all of our nature, including my own, to be prepared and read between the lines, recognize the signs, etc... that's what good and aware citizen do. We keep our heads out of the sand.
That being said, I personally have done the "math" and cannot get all worked up about Ebola, even with it here in our borders. Maybe I'm naive for once in my life, if so, I know my friends here will enlighten me, but I don't think so.
It seems to me that folks are alarmed just because it's "new"... the same kind of hysteria about other "new" things is seen all around us, like the iPhone6 (BFD). Something makes headlines, people formulate an opinion instantly and spew that opinion feverishly (pun intended), propagating nonsense amongst the sheeple. Here we are again.
Personally, the Flu puts Ebola into perspective for me and it probably should for you too. Flu is not only more contagious and more rapidly mutating, but it actually has an exponentially higher death record (50+K per year), not just speculation.... The fact that we haven't all been wiped out yet by Flu, tells me we're really not likely to be by Ebola either.
But that's just me...
While you have valid points. IMO the issue is lack of public info from both Healthcare officials AND .gov IF, key word, IF they were open about what has transpired i doubt it would be discussed as much as it is. Then again Ebola in the media distracts from upcoming elections.
Anyway. IF the people in charge, which seem to be everyone but those who should be had a better grip on the situation vs deer in headlights, it would be a non issue.
As you mentioned the Flu , we just has entrovirus prior to this latest Media cycle, that killed more kids than ebola. Is still out there but not headline worthy, for now.
I know it's all of our nature, including my own, to be prepared and read between the lines, recognize the signs, etc... that's what good and aware citizen do. We keep our heads out of the sand.
That being said, I personally have done the "math" and cannot get all worked up about Ebola, even with it here in our borders. Maybe I'm naive for once in my life, if so, I know my friends here will enlighten me, but I don't think so.
It seems to me that folks are alarmed just because it's "new"... the same kind of hysteria about other "new" things is seen all around us, like the iPhone6 (BFD). Something makes headlines, people formulate an opinion instantly and spew that opinion feverishly (pun intended), propagating nonsense amongst the sheeple. Here we are again.
Personally, the Flu puts Ebola into perspective for me and it probably should for you too. Flu is not only more contagious and more rapidly mutating, but it actually has an exponentially higher death record (50+K per year), not just speculation.... The fact that we haven't all been wiped out yet by Flu, tells me we're really not likely to be by Ebola either.
But that's just me...
It doesn't sound like you've considered the mortality rate of the flu compared to Ebola. This list of outbreaks can give you an idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ebola_outbreaks
According to this WebMD article: http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/flu-statistics
between 5-20% of the US population contracts the flu each year, with annual deaths between 3,000-49,000.
The current US population is around 317,000,000. If 1% of the US contract Ebola 3,170,000, and say 40% (low I think) die from it; then we are looking at 1,286,000 deaths. Which is over 26,000 deaths per state (Not including HI, AK).
It doesn't matter that up to nearly 1/4 of the country comes down with the flu each year if the mortality rate is something like. 0007.
Exactly. Comparing influenza to ebola, the mortality rate for ebola is 3 orders of magnitude greater, (1000x). Put in perspective, if flu was as deadly on a case-by-case basis, 75 million people would have died from it in the last 12 months.
hollohas
10-17-2014, 13:01
Kazoo is right. My concern is not ebola. My concern is the government mismanagement of it.
As far as flu goes, it absolutely kills more people than just about anything else. But the people killed are a super tiny fraction of those infected. The fatality rate of Ebola is what makes it a concern, not the rate of infection. The goal with Ebola should be to keep the rate of infection low however the government hasn't proved to be doing anything to help achieve that goal. They aren't treating it like the level 4 infectious diseases it is.
Hell, anyone remember H1N1? There were signs up all over the country warning people. "wash your hands!" "Dont caugh or shake hands!" "Dont enter the ER if you have a fever."
They sealed hosptials and wouldn't let just anyone visit patients. My nephew was born during the H1N1 stuff and my daughter was banned from entering the maternity ward to meet her new cousin because of the so-called "H1N1 risk". Somewhere around 0.02% of people in the US infected with H1N1 during the pandemic died. 0.02%.
H1N1 = 0.02% fatility rate with massive over-reaction.
Ebola = 70% fatility rate with no sense of urgency.
That's the concern.
The other issue we'll have with Ebola that no one wants to talk about is the health care workers. They will stop going to work if the proper equipment/procedures aren't in place. Look at what's happened to the workers involved on the first cases. It's like asking a fire fighter to go to house fire call without his suit.
The other issue we'll have with Ebola that no one wants to talk about is the health care workers. They will stop going to work if the proper equipment/procedures aren't in place. Look at what's happened to the workers involved on the first cases. It's like asking a fire fighter to go to house fire call without his suit.
Or he shows up, but with his sleeves rolled up and no helmet.
Fair and valid points from all, thanks. I agree the mortality rate is the differentiating factor in the "math" side of the equation.... and completely 100% wholeheartedly agree that most of the .gov sucks at their job in all aspects, up to and including the mismanagement of this outbreak.
I guess I'll just let this reinforce my somewhat reclusive nature to avoid people more than I already do, and see how it all plays out. I could use 3-6 weeks of peace and quiet anyway.
As far as the government goes, I think the most frustrating part isn't that they are bumbling; it's that they are doing it on purpose. Our government is perfectly capable of containing this, they just choose not to do so. There is a line in that movie "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo" about people making terrible personal decisions, just to avoid making other people uncomfortable.
I also think they're not broadcasting the true reach of it yet. We only hear of 1 or 2 cases officially. Yet, you hear of potentials on airplanes, cruise ships, 7 being quarantined in Ohio, etc. I really wish we could have an accurate count and location of infections. Right now, they're trying to stop panic. ESPECIALLY right before the holiday shopping season. Would be a big hit on the economy if no one went to malls to go shopping. There's no reason to panic yet but I feel its time to make sure things are in order. That's just my thoughts on it for now. First major quarantine and it wont be good.
hollohas
10-17-2014, 13:39
As far as the government goes, I think the most frustrating part isn't that they are bumbling; .
They don't bumble when it's potentially in their own yard...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2797554/Pentagon-reacts-sick-woman-claimed-Africa-trip.html
The Pentagon police have shut down a building entrance and a portion of the south parking lot because a woman was sick and told emergency personnel that she had recently been to West Africa, officials said.
Arlington County, Virginia responded with a HazMat team and was treating the woman as a possible Ebola case. She was taken to a local hospital by ambulance on Friday.
Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Tom Crosson said that out of an abundance of caution, all pedestrian and vehicle traffic was stopped across 17 lanes of the huge parking lot around 10am.
51001
I think it is telling that the media is allowed to spread panic and fear over things like H1N1 that are not major threats, and then everyone is silent when a real threat comes along.
sellersm
10-17-2014, 14:08
Well, isn't this nice!! Dallas hospital had the FilmArray product that the .mil uses to quickly diagnose Ebola, but they weren't allowed to use it!
http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2014/10/dallas-hospital-had-ebola-screening-machine-military-using-africa/96713/?oref=defenseone_today_nl
Incredibly, it was present at Dallas Presbyterian Hospital when Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan walked through the door, complaining of fever and he had just come from Liberia. Duncan was sent home, but even still,FDA guidelines prohibited the hospital from using the machine to screen for Ebola.
GilpinGuy
10-17-2014, 14:11
This whole ebola fiasco has sure taken attention away from ISIS.
hollohas
10-17-2014, 14:25
Well, isn't this nice!! Dallas hospital had the FilmArray product that the .mil uses to quickly diagnose Ebola, but they weren't allowed to use it!
http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2014/10/dallas-hospital-had-ebola-screening-machine-military-using-africa/96713/?oref=defenseone_today_nl
I had seen a short article on that too but didn't have another source to collaborate it. Thanks for the link. Can't believe the hospital couldn't use the equipment they had on hand.
And I remember this blog post from July. The DOD was issuing rapid detection kits as early as April. This link contains source information.
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/congressional-report-ebola-bio-kits-deployed-to-national-guard-units-in-all-50-states_07292014
Great-Kazoo
10-17-2014, 14:58
This whole ebola fiasco has sure taken attention away from ISIS.
You mean those 50K unfortunate children (some who were sick) that were dispersed throughout the U.S. ?
Great-Kazoo
10-17-2014, 15:00
Well, isn't this nice!! Dallas hospital had the FilmArray product that the .mil uses to quickly diagnose Ebola, but they weren't allowed to use it!
http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2014/10/dallas-hospital-had-ebola-screening-machine-military-using-africa/96713/?oref=defenseone_today_nl
I inquired about the 4 in tx because a family member received an e-m, telling them 4 people were quarantined in her neighborhood. OOPS. Wonder if the pizza delivery guy received a good tip.
This whole ebola fiasco has sure taken attention away from ISIS.
Don't worry, ISIS will do something to get the attention they want.
sellersm
10-17-2014, 19:37
Keep your eyes on NYC. something is going to happen there soon. Watch for FEMA & CDC activities.
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How far does this go? Until whole towns are contained by national guard?
So Denver is "Ready".
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26749894/three-denver-hospitals-designated-centers-ready-ebola-cases
I few days back I posted a link to Reddit. An area hospital nurse said they were alerted of a confirmed Ebola case. Seems they've had time to get ready and I bet we get the announcement of Ebola in Denver soon. But no need to panic because we're ready. Yeah....
*edit* The reddit thread has been "removed".
Great-Kazoo
10-17-2014, 21:31
How far does this go? Until whole towns are contained by national guard?
Internet and cell service start becoming intermittent. Then a DUE TO UNUSUALLY HIGH VOLUME, ALL SERVICES ARE BUSY Please check back at a later time. Press 1 if you'd like to take a brief survey after your call.
68Charger
10-17-2014, 21:42
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Translation: BOHICA
I was chatting about Ebola on the company instant message today. It is known that they monitor traffic on there. About an hour later I received an email from the company about the Ebola plan.
Great-Kazoo
10-17-2014, 21:51
I was chatting about Ebola on the company instant message today. It is known that they monitor traffic on there. About an hour later I received an email from the company about the Ebola plan.
High investment, low return?
68Charger
10-17-2014, 21:58
I was chatting about Ebola on the company instant message today. It is known that they monitor traffic on there. About an hour later I received an email from the company about the Ebola plan.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you... [gohome]
mcantar18c
10-17-2014, 22:36
Don't worry, ISIS will do something to get the attention they want.
I thought that's what this thread was about?
Great-Kazoo
10-17-2014, 23:43
I thought that's what this thread was about?
That discussion has been combined with the PM thread. PWT is handling the overload from the Ebola and Cross Dressing threads. Or was that the toyota truck, who you voting for ?? fuc who knows.
mcantar18c
10-18-2014, 06:17
That discussion has been combined with the PM thread. PWT is handling the overload from the Ebola and Cross Dressing threads. Or was that the toyota truck, who you voting for ?? fuc who knows.
I was half jokingly referring to Ebola...
Great-Kazoo
10-18-2014, 08:12
I was half jokingly referring to Ebola...
Joking, We don't need any joking
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.607990721731366807&pid=15.1&P=0
Stevensje
10-18-2014, 08:21
Joking, We don't need any joking
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.607990721731366807&pid=15.1&P=0
Badgers, we don't need any stinking Badgers. [Coffee]
BushMasterBoy
10-18-2014, 10:53
Quarantine a Marine!
http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20141016/NEWS/310160054/Marine-under-voluntary-Ebola-quarantine
Badgers, we don't need any stinking Badgers. [Coffee]
http://youtu.be/hGlyFc79BUE
That should make Ebola seem like an inviting fate...
HoneyBadger
10-18-2014, 12:43
Badgers, we don't need any stinking Badgers. [Coffee]
WHAT???!?
WHAT???!?
Like you even care....
HoneyBadger
10-18-2014, 13:33
Like you even care....
Haha! Made you look!
[Coffee]
RblDiver
10-18-2014, 16:50
Badgers, we don't need any stinking Badgers. [Coffee]
There's so much ebola talk lately, it's like we're drinking from the firehose! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXc5ltzKq3Y)
Great-Kazoo
10-18-2014, 17:13
There's so much ebola talk lately, it's like we're drinking from the firehose! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXc5ltzKq3Y)
Makes shadow ops and former employees happy .
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0LQdIvCYAANw7h.jpg
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/six-reasons-panic_816387.html?nopager=1
As a rule, one should not panic at whatever crisis has momentarily fixed the attention of cable news producers. But the Ebola outbreak in West Africa, which has migrated to both Europe and America, may be the exception that proves the rule. There are at least six reasons that a controlled, informed panic might be in order.
I wouldn't panic but I'd be aware of what our government is doing on our behalf, which is exactly ZERO.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/six-reasons-panic_816387.html?nopager=1
I wouldn't panic but I'd be aware of what our government is doing on our behalf, which is exactly ZERO.
They are doing exactly what government workers do. Content at collecting a paycheck without actually doing their job. Or doing exactly the minimum.
They are doing exactly what government workers do. Content at collecting a paycheck without actually doing their job. Or doing exactly the minimum.
Well, most of them especially the 'crats.
Additionally, government workers aren't any different than alot of people i see at the office. 20% of the employees do 80% of the work.
HoneyBadger
10-19-2014, 14:54
government workers aren't any different than alot of people i see at the office. 20% of the employees do 80% of the work.
As a "government worker" I can testify that this is 100% accurate.
If you want to listen to a professional scientist speak then give this a listen.
http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2014/10/ebola-this-is-what-science-sounds-like.html
http://youtu.be/UkMKUa0sxBQ
If you think FedGov/CDC is telling you the truth about any of this then go back to watching Monday Night Football.
We have started slowly gathering supplies and stocking up. If nothing happens, no biggie, we have extra dry goods for a long time... If however shit does start to go, we will have already been stocked up and ready without having to deal with the rest of the crowd IF this gets out of hand and there is a mass panic. Plan for the worst, hope for the best.
Great-Kazoo
10-20-2014, 22:49
We have started slowly gathering supplies and stocking up. If nothing happens, no biggie, we have extra dry goods for a long time... If however shit does start to go, we will have already been stocked up and ready without having to deal with the rest of the crowd IF this gets out of hand and there is a mass panic. Plan for the worst, hope for the best.
In Trinidad, What kind of panic , run on estrogen ? [Beer]
The news of people coming out of quarantine and that African country going 42 days without a case is making me relax a little.
Great-Kazoo
10-20-2014, 22:54
If you want to listen to a professional scientist speak then give this a listen.
http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2014/10/ebola-this-is-what-science-sounds-like.html
http://youtu.be/UkMKUa0sxBQ
If you think FedGov/CDC is telling you the truth about any of this then go back to watching Monday Night Football.
There's a reason CIC created an Ebola PR Czar.
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.607989772542807464&pid=15.1&P=0
Anyone hear George Clooney got married ?
Thank God this stuff can't mutate and we know everything there is to know about it, have staff and hospitals waiting and last of all, we all have good health insurance!
Foxtrot - you make some good points about hygiene and our own awareness and reactions.
My biggest issue is that the current administration made no attempt whatsoever to prevent ebola from coming here and now we have 2 nurses infected with it.
The other thing that really pisses me off is that the current administration is sending troops to Africa to build fence or whatever, a complete waste of good people.
The planner in me wonders how the current administration will twist this event into reducing our rights even further.
DoD injecting humans with Ebola in January 2014. Interesting.
http://clinicaltrials.gov/show/NCT02041715
Great-Kazoo
10-21-2014, 09:07
Foxtrot - you make some good points about hygiene and our own awareness and reactions.
My biggest issue is that the current administration made no attempt whatsoever to prevent ebola from coming here and now we have 2 nurses infected with it.
The other thing that really pisses me off is that the current administration is sending troops to Africa to build fence or whatever, a complete waste of good people.
The planner in me wonders how the current administration will twist this event into reducing our rights even further.
SAFE act in NY. Same for CA. Under the guise of Health & Safety issues LE's are allowed to confiscate firearms, W/OUT COURT ORDER OR TRIAL.
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/10/20141021_obama.jpg
sellersm
10-21-2014, 09:37
Well, this explains why he's the Ebola czar! "Overpopulation is the biggest problem":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVA4C7vzsV8&list=UUFjOi1ZpZVErr8EYxg8t1dQ
sellersm
10-21-2014, 09:39
Here's something from an un-named source:
Be prepared to see a major movement in the Healthcare setting towards
complete case diversion ( the practice of sending patients out and away
from the hospitals they present to). This is currently used when big
traumas, burns, stroke or cardiac patients need higher level care than a
hospital can provide. This practice may segway into further development
of Large ward Cohorting or EBola Centers( REgional FEMA Health? Camps)
Ironically they would be the unhealthiest if not deadliest place to be.
I was working in the ICU today and overheard the following information in
the company of several leaders in the hospital including, Critical care ICU
Managers, Infectious Disease Manager, Multiple Intensivists (ICU Md's) and
critical care coordinators. They have not been receiving complete or
definitive answers from the CDC for and specificity of Level of PPE and so
are clueless and semi-paralyzed as to what to do.
From the conversation:
On the record, The higher level system administrators for the Multi-
hospital system are working desperately to find any way to generate an
agreement and policy to Divert any and all discovered or potential Ebola
cases to higher level hospitals with greater resources "for the betterment
of the patient outcome". Off the record it was said they are just trying to
keep those cases out because they have absolutely no capability to handle
or contain Ebola and don't want to end up with the same reputation as
Presbyterian hospital when its discovered by the community they are utterly
unprepared.
Second, the hospital leadership is fully aware of the attrition of nurses and staff
as no shows if Ebola came to town. The nurses that are awake will leave to
ride it out, the ones who believe the media mantra will stay long enough to
get ill from the "recommended PPE" and become statistics. While still
others will leave but be forced toreturn to work because they have no
finances for longer leave of absence due to already hard times and family
needs or fears of getting fired or threatened their licenses will be
revoked.
In summation of the conversation further. Consolidation and mass cohorting
on a ward would be the only way to house any and all cases with over-worked
skeleton crews and no resources. The consensus was "the public was better
off staying home" and dying there "instead of spreading it" through the
hospital system, because "we couldn't do anything for them anyways".
sellersm
10-21-2014, 09:41
General preparedness and awareness is good. That said,
Do I think there will be a pandemic? No. Largely, I think this is overrated.
We're not africa and this isn't whooping cough. It's very, very scary, yes, because of its mortality and hemorrhagic side. But such so and well publicized that you don't need the CDC to do anything, people will do it themselves. Sick person in your city? Schools are going to close, grocery stores bare, people will self quarantine themselves away out of fear of just a handful of individuals. The economic loss would be crazy.
But is it going to spread to african levels? No.
Africa itself it isn't even truly a pandemic. Malaria still kills far, far, far more. If they didn't have such superstitious beliefs, hoo-doo and poor hygiene, it would probably already be over.
The only real problem I see is once it has a foothold here you will possibly see "flair ups" from time to time. Less than a dozen in each instance. Millions infected? No, ebola is too deadly to spread effectively enough stateside in its present form. I'd be surprised if we have more than 20 infections total due to all this.
The new Y2K. Looming disaster is always around the corner. Or it's not. Seems to me that its spread is slowing.
It is to a limited extent airborne (aerosol) but people are so scared of it here. Our biggest risk is a small foothold.... the damage would be worse than 9/11, and not from fatalities. If you don't live in a slum and eat with the same hand you use as TP, and your local doctor isn't a "witch" that tells you to drink saltwater to prevent ebolas, you'll probably be fine.
Again, not saying preparedness or awareness is bad. It's not. It's great. But the sky isn't falling.
Hope you're right, but I don't share the optimism...
Sellersm- That sounds about right with what I hear from people that work in primary care. Not much being done to protect the health care field. Lots of "meetings" behind closed doors with upper management. There is just something very weird about this whole Ebola thing.
I said it earlier in this thread. Those FEMA "camps" the tinfoilers were investigating might finally have a reason to exist.
HoneyBadger
10-21-2014, 13:42
Here's something from an un-named source:
Trying to look at this objectively: Why would somebody write this? What is their motivation? Are they trying to promote fear? If so, what do they have to gain from it? If they are just trying to do their "duty" to inform the public of what is going on, aren't they worried about losing their job or being reprimanded? Don't they understand that writing things like this could cause panic? I'm a little skeptical because it seems to be written from someone on the inside who (obviously) wants to remain anonymous, but their motivation is unclear. This almost seems political.
Edit: not sure why the text was all jacked up. Fixed it.
sellersm
10-21-2014, 14:25
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Trying to look at this objectively: Why would somebody write this? What is their motivation? Are they trying to promote fear? If so, what do they have to gain from it? If they are just trying to do their "duty" to inform the public of what is going on, aren't they worried about losing their job or being reprimanded? Don't they understand that writing things like this could cause panic? I'm a little skeptical because it seems to be written from someone "on the inside" who (obviously) wants to remain anonymous, but their motivation is unclear. This almost seems political.</p>
That's one interpretation. I believe they're trying to be helpful, giving us the things to watch out for, tell us what's coming. Consider it a message from the FOB... That's how I'm taking it.
SAFE act in NY. Same for CA. Under the guise of Health & Safety issues LE's are allowed to confiscate firearms, W/OUT COURT ORDER OR TRIAL.
That's what I'm talking about. :) Well, one of many scenarios.
HoneyBadger
10-21-2014, 15:13
That's one interpretation. I believe they're trying to be helpful, giving us the things to watch out for, tell us what's coming. Consider it a message from the FOB... That's how I'm taking it.
Just trying to play a little devil's advocate and hopefully understand their motive.
In Trinidad, What kind of panic , run on estrogen ? [Beer]
That was actually kinda funny... I forgot to change where I live.........
https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/image-38.jpg
sellersm
10-22-2014, 14:50
Hmmm, perhaps this game (The Division) from 2013 was a bit more prophetic than we realized? This is the video for the trailer, could've been made today! For bonus points, anyone remember Operation Dark Winter?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSWHS6CKS_4
BushMasterBoy
10-23-2014, 13:15
[*Dark humor*]
I think it's important to plan for the worst, but hope for the best. If I get infected, I have a plan and I'll try to use my last days wisely.
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I'll be selling ebola-grams. Pay the fee, I go ring your recipients doorbell, announce, "ebola-gram" and patiently wait for them to open the door. I've already got pre-orders for various politicians, but I'll be offering a mother-in-law special as well.
[*/end dark humor*]
I'm going door to door selling "ebola granola"...
Aloha_Shooter
10-23-2014, 13:33
I'm still waiting for the complaint from Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson that "Ebola" sounds too similar to "Ebonics" and the use is therefore racist.
HoneyBadger
10-23-2014, 15:14
I'm still waiting for the complaint from Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson that "Ebola" sounds too similar to "Ebonics" and the use is therefore racist.
...Or that Ebola was definitely "developed" to target black people... [facepalm]
Great-Kazoo
10-23-2014, 15:24
...Or that Ebola was definitely "developed" to target black people... [facepalm]
You're late to that game. RACISM , or implications of, was JOB 1 to progressive media outlets.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/09/opinion/wright-ebola-racism/index.html
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/ebola-fearmongering-is-the-gops-new-crazy-racist-dog-whistle/
http://jezebel.com/from-miasma-to-ebola-the-history-of-racist-moral-panic-1645711030
http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/8/6941749/ebola-panic-is-getting-pretty-racist
And now that Ebola has "reached" the US, American privilege — white privilege, especially — is floating to the surface, in even less subtle ways.
The color of their skin and their accents makes them a target, even though they never came into contact with Duncan, and therefore pose zero risk. It doesn’t matter: they’re dark-skinned and foreign. They’re in Dallas. They might be infectious.
HoneyBadger
10-23-2014, 15:32
There's actually a potential new development here:
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/doctor-treated-ebola-patients-rushed-bellevue-fever-article-1.1984941
Doctor who was treating patients with Ebola came back to the US and 10 days later quarantines himself for a fever and nausea. Now he is in a Harlem hospital.
^^ Preliminary test just came back positive.
sellersm
10-23-2014, 19:20
^^ Preliminary test just came back positive.
See post #392... This is just the beginning for NYC.
HoneyBadger
10-23-2014, 20:03
^^ Preliminary test just came back positive.
source? Nevermind. CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/23/health/new-york-possible-ebola-case/index.html
sellersm
10-23-2014, 20:08
source? Nevermind. CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/23/health/new-york-possible-ebola-case/index.html
Marketwatch is where I saw it: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/possible-ebola-patient-rushed-to-ny-hospital-2014-10-23?link=MW_home_latest_news
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sellersm
10-23-2014, 20:48
http://www.allnewspipeline.com/100000_Body_Bags_And_Ebola_In_NY.php
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Irresponsible doctor. Period.
Not good at all! Hope he didn't infect a bunch of patients or coworkers. Think about if he infected 5 doctors at a hospital and those doctors passed it on to their patients. An entire hospital becomes an Ebola cesspool.
Why aren't these doctors who went to Africa quarantined for 21 days to make sure they didn't catch it? Seems like common sense. But this current said he felt fatigued and went bowling and traveled on the subway. Thanks a lot a-hole for that.
Aardvark
10-24-2014, 05:46
Why aren't these doctors who went to Africa quarantined for 21 days to make sure they didn't catch it? Seems like common sense. But this current said he felt fatigued and went bowling and traveled on the subway. Thanks a lot a-hole for that.
It's the elitists mentality; 'I'm a doctor and I know better than You'. Wouldn't be surprised if he's been in self denial for a few days before he actually checked in. I'm not worried: Zero-bama says everything is fine and the Czar will fix everything else.
So much for a serious response...[zombie1][russian roulette]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/24/police-ebola-garbage-can_n_6039880.html
Police working the scene around the Manhattan apartment of the doctor diagnosed with Ebola were wearing gloves and masks for their protection, but photos and videos show at least two officers dumping their gear and caution tape into a nearby street-corner trash can.
Great news about Nurse Nina Pham. Bad news is she scheduled to meet His Royal Highness Obama.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/24/texas-nurse-ebola-nina-pham-release-test-negative
Great news about Nurse Nina Pham. Bad news is she scheduled to meet His Royal Highness Obama.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/24/texas-nurse-ebola-nina-pham-release-test-negative
Bad news because she's no longer contagious? [ROFL1]
Aloha_Shooter
10-24-2014, 12:43
Great news about Nurse Nina Pham. Bad news is she scheduled to meet His Royal Highness Obama.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/24/texas-nurse-ebola-nina-pham-release-test-negative
If it were me, I'd be tempted to take some syrup of ipecac about 20 minutes before the meeting.
Bad news because she's no longer contagious? [ROFL1]
Was thinking about worse things. Just didn't want to say it...
sellersm
10-24-2014, 19:09
Not saying "I told you so ", but ... NY & NJ will quarantine: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/24/new-york-new-jersey-set-up-mandatory-quarantine-requirement-amid-ebola-threat/
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hollohas
10-24-2014, 19:24
Not saying "I told you so ", but ... NY & NJ will quarantine: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/24/new-york-new-jersey-set-up-mandatory-quarantine-requirement-amid-ebola-threat/
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From the article...
The patients with the highest level of possible exposure will be automatically quarantined for 21 days at a government-regulated facility. As WCBS 880’s Rich Lamb reported, those patients include anyone having direct contact with a person infected with Ebola while in Liberia, Guinea, or Sierra Leone.
"government facility". Damn.
So who's going to admit to having direct contact?
More:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-24/new-york-new-jersey-consider-mandatory-quarantines-ebola-response
CDC's screening guidelines are "insufficient" for New York regions' population density,
sellersm
10-24-2014, 19:28
Not showing signs, not a resident:
Quote: "On Friday, a health care worker landed at Newark after treating Ebola patients in West Africa, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said at the news conference. A legal quarantine was issued for the woman, who was not a New Jersey resident and was set to go on to New York afterward.
“This woman, while her home residence is outside the area, said her next stop was going to be here in New York,” Christie said. “Governor Cuomo and I discussed it before we came out here, and a quarantine order will be issued.”
The woman will be quarantined in either New York or New Jersey, Christie said.
The woman was not showing any symptoms of Ebola, or illness of any kind, when she landed at Newark, CBS 2’s Jessica Schneider reported. But Friday evening, she developed a fever after being placed in isolation at University Hospital in Newark, according to the New Jersey Department of Health, "
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sellersm
10-25-2014, 15:37
Very interesting piece by an ER Doctor: https://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20141025024804-325275276-er-doctor-what-scares-me-even-more-than-ebola
HoneyBadger
10-25-2014, 18:38
Very interesting piece by an ER Doctor: https://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20141025024804-325275276-er-doctor-what-scares-me-even-more-than-ebola
Hospital staffers calling in sick? That's already happening:
http://nypost.com/2014/10/25/many-bellevue-staffers-take-sick-day-in-ebola-panic/
Hospital staffers calling in sick? That's already happening:
http://nypost.com/2014/10/25/many-bellevue-staffers-take-sick-day-in-ebola-panic/
My friend in Texas did this. Don't blame them at all.
HoneyBadger
10-26-2014, 14:27
Yeah, if I didn't have access to the same safety precautions they use in the lab (BioHazard Level 4), I would be calling in sick too.
Great-Kazoo
10-26-2014, 15:07
Yeah, if I didn't have access to the same safety precautions they use in the lab (BioHazard Level 4), I would be calling in sick too.
You don't need lever 4 safety precautions. Level 4 is an area where you are hooked up to an outside air source. Neither practical or cost effective for dealing with ebola.
Level 3 precautions is what they should be doing, as most are. HOWEVER doffing their PPE AND proper wearing of PPE including N-95's is where the problem lies.
I saw it in L3 facility i worked. During training, same people would do the same shit removing scrubs , hair net, their first layer of gloves. THEN look confused when the bio-safety trainer explained to them AGAIN why you remove outer gloves first.
IF everyone practiced proper hand washing there would be less issues when it came to common cold / flu season. Not to mention Hep alerts due to some untrained or uncaring employee NOT washing their hands after using the rest room, handling money, even their cell phone. Which all their friends have passed around looking at the latest selfie.
I know a handful of people in primary care and they've already informed their managers that they wont come in if Ebola pops up in Colorado.
clodhopper
10-27-2014, 12:02
Which all their friends have passed around looking at the latest selfie.
Dammit man. Stop trying to hand me your phone. I DON'T want to see your "selfies". Sheesh.
HoneyBadger
10-27-2014, 12:04
Dammit man. Stop trying to hand me your phone. I DON'T want to see your "selfies". Sheesh.
Gross. [Poke]
mcantar18c
10-28-2014, 23:10
Nevermind.
HoneyBadger
10-28-2014, 23:12
Confirmed case in Oklahoma.
Restart the clock...
mcantar18c
10-28-2014, 23:15
Restart the clock...
Don't. It was a bullshit story.
HoneyBadger
10-29-2014, 09:58
Don't. It was a bullshit story.
Well, that's good.
It appears (could be mistaken) that the only way people are being cured is through blood transfusions from people who have been previously cured.
Could the govt be bringing in infected people in order to cure them and increase the supply of "good blood" in the U.S.?
If there were a huge breakout in the U.S., there would obviously not be enough "good blood" to go around, but they may be able to stockpile enough for the elite.
[tinhat]
It appears (could be mistaken) that the only way people are being cured is through blood transfusions from people who have been previously cured.
Could the govt be bringing in infected people in order to cure them and increase the supply of "good blood" in the U.S.?
If there were a huge breakout in the U.S., there would obviously not be enough "good blood" to go around, but they may be able to stockpile enough for the elite.
[tinhat]
Where did you hear/read about transfusions?
Where did you hear/read about transfusions?
It appears all over the news sites.
Here's one that speaks of both nurses and others receiving transfusions:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/28/care-american-ebola-patients/18061203/
ETA:
I also found this from 03 Oct:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/04/health/use-of-ebola-survivors-blood-as-possible-treatment-gains-support.html?action=click&contentCollection=US%20Open®ion=Article&module=Promotron
With no proven drugs to treat Ebola and experimental ones in short supply, the health authorities are planning to turn instead to a treatment that is walking around in the outbreak zone in West Africa.
That would be the blood of people who have been sickened by the Ebola virus but have since recovered. Their blood should contain antibodies that might help other patients fight off the infection.
The World Health Organization is making it a priority to try such convalescent blood or plasma, as it is called, and is talking with the affected countries about how to do it.
WHO PDF on how to do it:
http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/135591/1/WHO_HIS_SDS_2014.8_eng.pdf?ua=1
RblDiver
10-30-2014, 11:40
I just started to wonder, with that Kasi whatserface up in Maine refusing to abide by a quarantine, would a CCW be legally protected if they stopped the threat as she approached them? (I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but it does make you wonder...)
I just started to wonder, with that Kasi whatserface up in Maine refusing to abide by a quarantine, would a CCW be legally protected if they stopped the threat as she approached them? (I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but it does make you wonder...)
Excellent question, especially if they're projectile vomiting while they're approaching you.
trlcavscout
10-30-2014, 12:24
Excellent question, especially if they're projectile vomiting while they're approaching you.
Treat as zombie at that point
"Woah, I guess that guy still had Ebola and wasn't all the way cured yet before we gave you that transfusion! Our bad!"
HoneyBadger
10-30-2014, 14:30
Treat as zombie at that point
I would sure hate to kill someone because they ate some bad eggs benedict before going for their morning jog...
That's a crappy situation and I think the rules of fighting still apply:
1. De-escalate the situation
2. Escape the situation
3. If 1 and/or 2 is not possible, neutralize the threat(s).
Bailey Guns
10-30-2014, 14:51
Excellent question, especially if they're projectile vomiting while they're approaching you.
Now wait just a gosh darn minute. Maybe SHE thinks you're the threat and she's doing what she's been told to protect herself. Or was that pee on your attacker? All these bodily fluids have me confused.
HoneyBadger
11-06-2014, 08:37
Since we've gotten so off track with all the election crap, lets bring things back on topic:
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/active-monitoring-ebola-doctor-Craig-Spencer-bellevue-hospital-281671121.html
[panic][panic][panic]
68Charger
11-06-2014, 08:42
Since we've gotten so off track with all the election crap, lets bring things back on topic:
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/active-monitoring-ebola-doctor-Craig-Spencer-bellevue-hospital-281671121.html
[panic][panic][panic]
New York isn't in Texas... [Coffee]
Great-Kazoo
11-06-2014, 08:50
New York isn't in Texas... [Coffee]
Any ebola info should be kept here. Or we'll end up with 1/2 dozen threads like the election ones.
He's relocating to CA. They all think it's CA and something east of the desert.
68Charger
11-06-2014, 08:59
Any ebola info should be kept here.
Sounds like a perfect new thread title...
I was being a smartass, but a title that limits it to Texas could lead to new threads that aren't... Just sayin'
HoneyBadger
11-06-2014, 09:22
New York isn't in Texas... [Coffee]
Even more reason to panic!
[panic][panic][panic]
sellersm
11-06-2014, 09:55
And here's a satirical musical look at the motives behind the crisis (turn it UP):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu2sE8gRoww
Now wait just a gosh darn minute. Maybe SHE thinks you're the threat and she's doing what she's been told to protect herself. Or was that pee on your attacker? All these bodily fluids have me confused.
LOL
hollohas
11-12-2014, 12:27
After threats of a lawsuit, the Texas hospital is going to pay all of Duncan's medical bills, setup and fund a trust for his 4 kids and setup a charity to collect for ebola victims in west Africa. Unbelievable.
HoneyBadger
11-12-2014, 12:36
After threats of a lawsuit, the Texas hospital is going to pay all of Duncan's medical bills, setup and fund a trust for his 4 kids and setup a charity to collect for ebola victims in west Africa. Unbelievable.Wait, what?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/12/duncans-family-reaches-resolution-with-hospital/18898847/
PugnacAutMortem
11-12-2014, 12:43
[facepalm]
It's the new American way, lie your way into a nice settlement for you and your family.
After threats of a lawsuit, the Texas hospital is going to pay all of Duncan's medical bills, setup and fund a trust for his 4 kids and setup a charity to collect for ebola victims in west Africa. Unbelievable.
What a bunch of pansies, should have told the family to fuck off and die, but no, they're going to reward bad behavior. They deserve each other.
Wait, what?
Yes, after inter-continental travel with the possibility of infecting thousands the family of that shitstain Duncan gets a monetary reward.
Great-Kazoo
11-12-2014, 13:08
Only in America.
Rumor has it they've approached Robert Downey Jr to play Mr. Duncan
the family said they would like to a pursue book or movie deal to tell Duncan's story.
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608034715112508247&pid=15.1&P=0
Only in America.
Rumor has it they've approached Robert Downey Jr to play Mr. Duncan
the family said they would like to a pursue book or movie deal to tell Duncan's story.
Tell Duncan's story, what hogwash. I bet they forget to tell the part where the stupid, selfish son-of-a-bitch endangered people on 3 continents.
HoneyBadger
11-14-2014, 08:54
Now they are bringing ANOTHER infected doctor to the US for treatment. Turns out this is the third one they've brought to Nebraska already... Did anyone hear anything about the first two? I can understand not wanting to cause panic, but now I feel like they are just hiding things.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-outbreak-doctor-infected-in-sierra-leone-to-be-treated-in-omaha-nebraska/
KestrelBike
11-14-2014, 09:18
I hope donors/living-will types hear about this duncan shit and pull their funding from the hospital. Fuck them.
No one is taking about Denver Health currently monitoring someone for ebola?
Im just trying to find what they're trying to distract us from.
No one is taking about Denver Health currently monitoring someone for ebola?
http://www.9news.com/story/news/health/2015/01/12/denver-health-ebola-testing/21626825/
Probably 'cause some really popular sports team failed to show up for their win-or-go-home playoff game. Ebola only makes a person bleed from every orifice so it isn't nearly as important.
kidicarus13
01-12-2015, 16:56
Ebola is soooo 2014. What's the next tinfoil hat scare?
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