Ebola in Texas.

[colorider]

Just fucking wonderful. Some jackass spends some time in the epicenter off Ebola land and casually comes back to the us bringing it back with him. Does not know untill a few days after he gets here and starts feeling sick.
Just curious, where are the god damn precautions with these people retuning from a country where Ebola is spreading like bad news ? No quarantine ? No travel ban ? To me this is just fucking rediculous. Thanks Obama.

[OtterbatHellcat]

No kidding.

It was only a matter of time. Now watch the insurance companies and O Care freak out about everything. It's only money, right?

[Irving]

Guy I work with just got back from two weeks in Africa. A trip like that you probably have planned for over a year, if not two. I can see people not canceling.

[MarkCO]

We have people infected with all manner of disease coming to the US on a regular basis. One reason I limit flying and then avoid International hubs if at all possible.

[HoneyBadger]

Am I the only one sitting at my computer in MOPP 4? [panic]

[th3w01f]

Gotta love this part. [panic]


The patient, who was in the U.S. visiting family in Texas, initially sought care on September 26, but was sent home and was not admitted until two days later.

[Zombie Steve]

It's a crisis! Quick - we need some new executive orders to grant emergency powers to the president!!!!

[Sabre]

How many soldiers are heading to Africa. Ebola will be in America, without a doubt. Let's just pray it doesn't mutate into an air-borne disease...

[colorider]

How many soldiers are heading to Africa. Ebola is in America, without a doubt. Let's just pray it doesn't mutate into an air-borne disease...
fify.

[hollohas]

It's a crisis! Quick - we need some new executive orders to grant emergency powers to the president!!!!
They already did that. The government has the authority to detain people who do nothing else than have a fever basically. I read the EO recently...if I can remember which one it is I will post a link.

[hollohas]

Ah here we go. EO 13295 written by Bush, amended by BO.

http://www.cdc.gov/sars/quarantine/exec-2004-04-03.html

Section 1. Based upon the recommendation of the Secretary of Health and Human Services (the "Secretary"), in consultation with the Surgeon General, and for the purpose of specifying certain communicable diseases for regulations providing for the apprehension, detention, or conditional release of individuals to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of suspected communicable diseases, the following communicable diseases are hereby specified pursuant to section 361(b) of the Public Health Service Act:

http://m.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/07/31/executive-order-revised-list-quarantinable-communicable-diseases

Ammended on July 31, 2014. It was ammended to be more vague. Bush's original was specific to SARS as a single illness, BO ammended it to say it can be any number of illnesses...which just so happens to include ebola. Of course the revisions were made long after Ebola took off this time...coincedence?

Notice it says this section doesn't include influenza. They didn't need to include it because Bush included the VERY vague term in his original.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2006-title3-vol1/xml/CFR-2006-title3-vol1-eo13375.xml



Here's a nice history of the government's laws focused on controlling outbreaks. With links to the actual laws of course.

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/executive-order-quarantine-list/

[Zombie Steve]

No, we need something NEW and broader reaching....


Just watch.

[bogie]

Zombie alert!

[hollohas]

No, we need something NEW and broader reaching....


Just watch.
I have no doubt in the government's ability (addiction) to use every chance they get to take more control. I agree they'll come up with something new. They use the opportunities to quietly put laws on the books in reserve...to use as they desire in the future.

[02ducky]

Toilet bowl continues to spiral down, down and down.

[rockhound]

anyone who could not see the ebola getting here is delusional,

it actually took longer than I thought....

[PugnacAutMortem]

Fucking outstanding. Definitely bought tickets for a weekend away at the end of October with the wife to Dallas yesterday. Hopefully this is the only case and it will have blown over by then. Although the whole "we have more infrastructure than Africa so it couldn't spread like it does there" bullshit that I've read more than once from MSM outlets don't make me feel all warm and fuzzy. It sounds to me like they mean "we are in deep shit but nobody panic until it's too late".

[colorider]

I saw the movie Outbreak. Shit is going to get real. [panic]

[Whistler]

I live in Texas and won't go to Dallas, now I have two reasons.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Brings an all new meaning to "don't mess with Texas".

[clublights]

Don't worry about Ebola spreading in Dallas....


The Cowboys have shown us that people in Dallas can't catch anything....

[buffalobo]

I really only worry about it becoming airborne and a case or two(or twenty) coming across the southern border.

Think suicide carrier.

[buffalobo]

Don't worry about Ebola spreading in Dallas....


The Cowboys have shown us that people in Dallas can't catch anything....
Well played. [emoji106]

[clublights]

I really only worry about it becoming airborne and a case or two(or twenty) coming across the southern border.

Think suicide carrier.


Wasn't this a Tom Clancy novel ?

[buffalobo]

Wasn't this a Tom Clancy novel ?
I don't know but seems familiar.

[buffalobo]

Hell, still dangerous. What about patient that lies about foreign travel and is initially diagnosed with flu and sent home?.

[clublights]

Hell, still dangerous. What about patient that lies about foreign travel and is initially diagnosed with flu and sent home?.


LOL that was part of the book too .. I 'm trying to remember the title right now...

I might have to go re read that one.

[clublights]

Executive Orders...


hell in that book an ISIS like group has taken over Iraq and Iran ....


I swear some times the parallels between his books and real world are fuckin scary .

[hollohas]

Dallas guy boarded his flight on the 19th. Became symptomatic on the 24th.

CDC says most likely incubation period is 5 days. So it is a possibility he picked it up on his flight.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/01/475b3d05098c259bdd6267361a3162b2.jpg

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/su6303a1.htm?mobile=nocontent&s_cid=su6303a1_x#Appendix-fig4

[KestrelBike]

Well, that's interesting. If he got it from someone, wonder how... I don't buy this non-airborne stuff. Spit gets aerolized, haven't you ever gotten specks of fluid from a gf or wife sneezing right next to you? Hell, animals can transmit rabies because their saliva is aerolized.

[Ronin13]

Am I the only one sitting at my computer in MOPP 4? [panic]
I've been there since the first sign of outbreak over here... [LOL]

[roberth]

...and we're off and running.


How Bad Could It Get? US Government Order Of 160,000 HazMat Suits Gives A Clue

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-01/how-bad-could-it-get-us-government-order-160000-hazmat-suits-gives-clue

[PugnacAutMortem]

...and we're off and running.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-01/how-bad-could-it-get-us-government-order-160000-hazmat-suits-gives-clue

What's wrong with the government doing that? Is there suddenly something wrong with preparing for something that potentially could endanger the lives of millions of people? That article (and articles like it) seem to assume that the entirety of the purchase would be for government use only. Who's to say they aren't buying these to give to hospitals and treatment centers? Fear mongering on any side of any issue bugs the ever loving shit out of me.

Roberth, my indignance isn't directed at you but at the article. Forgive me if it comes across as such.

[Robb]

Now a second person in Dallas is being monitored for ebola. It spreads exponentially, right??

[roberth]

What's wrong with the government doing that? Is there suddenly something wrong with preparing for something that potentially could endanger the lives of millions of people? That article (and articles like it) seem to assume that the entirety of the purchase would be for government use only. Who's to say they aren't buying these to give to hospitals and treatment centers? Fear mongering on any side of any issue bugs the ever loving shit out of me.

Absolutely nothing...except that the message the government has been delivering to the citizenry prior to this has been "nothing to see here".

Just like the border message, just like the ISIS/ISIL message.


Roberth, my indignance isn't directed at you but at the article. Forgive me if it comes across as such.

No sweat man. :)

[Zundfolge]

How many soldiers are heading to Africa. Ebola will be in America, without a doubt.

I think this is by design. In general Obama and other leftist Democrats see the words "soldier" and "veteran" as synonyms for "Republican" so they're sending thousands of "Republicans" off to Africa to get exposed to Ebola and come back and infect their families and communities ... communities like Colorado Springs (which is considered a Republican stronghold).

Obama is at war with the American people.

[sellersm]

Obama is at war with the American people.

Quoted for truth. When will 'we' (the people) figure this out?

[roberth]

I think this is by design. In general Obama and other leftist Democrats see the words "soldier" and "veteran" as synonyms for "Republican" so they're sending thousands of "Republicans" off to Africa to get exposed to Ebola and come back and infect their families and communities ... communities like Colorado Springs (which is considered a Republican stronghold).

Obama is at war with the American people.


Quoted for truth. When will 'we' (the people) figure this out?

Agreed.

The ends (total control) justify the means (murdering the opposition).

[SamuraiCO]

I think I have seen a couple of movies that start this way.

[Ronin13]

I think I have seen a couple of movies that start this way.
Dammit! Where is Dustin Hoffman and Cuba Gooding, Jr to save us!!!???

[BREATHER]

Not only all the above but I just seen a report that the first child has died from that other virus, I can't recall the name but the one that is affecting children... WTF in modern times can this be happening

[Zundfolge]

Not only all the above but I just seen a report that the first child has died from that other virus, I can't recall the name but the one that is affecting children... WTF in modern times can this be happening

Enterovirus D68

[Special Ed]

Gotta love this part. [panic]


The patient, who was in the U.S. visiting family in Texas, initially sought care on September 26, but was sent home and was not admitted until two days later.

I went to Longmont United in July 2006 complaining of severe headaches, neck pain and an inability to control thought or emotion (no, I'm not female). Had a fever of 102. Emergency room intake nurse said, "Sounds like a classic example of an upper respiratory infection." I told her I thought she was wrong but she made me wait until someone could get around to me. One attentive ER nurse, a quick thinking ER doctor and a spinal tap later, I was diagnosed with meningitis and hooked up to more IVs than I'd ever seen in my life. I bet the look on that intake nurse's face was classic when she learned that she had to be quarantined until they could determine what kind of meningitis I had (two days later).

These stupid people who get into auto pilot and don't stop to really listen to patients are one day going to seriously regret their ineptitude.

I live north of Ft. Worth now and was in Dallas last weekend. I can tell you that I am not at all happy that the idiots at the hospital didn't take the right precautions and test the guy for Ebola. Even more discouraging is that the EMTs said they believed the guy had Ebola when they responded to the call and they STILL KEPT THE AMBULANCE IN SERVICE FOR TWO DAYS! I don't care that they decontaminated it after transporting him. If that was a sufficient action after transporting a possible Ebola patient, the friggin' ambulance wouldn't have been taken out of service after they confirmed it was Ebola!

So glad I moved to the DFW area earlier this year.

[KestrelBike]

I went to Longmont United in July 2006 complaining of severe headaches, neck pain and an inability to control thought or emotion (no, I'm not female). Had a fever of 102. Emergency room intake nurse said, "Sounds like a classic example of an upper respiratory infection." I told her I thought she was wrong but she made me wait until someone could get around to me. One attentive ER nurse, a quick thinking ER doctor and a spinal tap later, I was diagnosed with meningitis and hooked up to more IVs than I'd ever seen in my life. I bet the look on that intake nurse's face was classic when she learned that she had to be quarantined until they could determine what kind of meningitis I had (two days later)

Did you have the blotches/rash on the lower half of your abdomen? Severe photosensitivity? Also, did you wake up with these symptoms in the morning, or did they develop later in the day? Just curious; a former classmate who had been a good friend died of bacterial meningitis many years ago, and those were his symptoms.

[Kraven251]

Enterovirus D68

Or as I call it, "Something that came over the border 101"

[Special Ed]

Did you have the blotches/rash on the lower half of your abdomen? Severe photosensitivity? Also, did you wake up with these symptoms in the morning, or did they develop later in the day? Just curious; a former classmate who had been a good friend died of bacterial meningitis many years ago, and those were his symptoms.

Severe photosensitivity, unable to control emotions (difficult to explain that one but imagine trying to talk to someone and crying for a few words in the middle of a sentence and then stopping crying but continuing with the sentence - doc said that was normal given a brain infection). Don't recall any blotches but I don't remember much of what happened over the course of the four days I was in the hospital. Symptoms started in the morning and progressed throughout the day to the point where I couldn't even stand up on my own by the time my wife got home at 5:00PM. The bugger of it all is that they never did isolate the specific type of meningitis. The ER doc said my spinal fluid was the consistency of cottage cheese and my neurologist said the spinal tap revealed it was bacterial but couldn't understand why it didn't get worse since all they did in the hospital was give me antibiotics and fluids. My family doc said he thought it was West Nile but the tests (he did them several times) came back negative for it (negative as well for equine flu, avian flu and a host of others I've long since forgotten).

I'm sorry to hear you lost a good friend over that disease.

[colorider]

What really pisses me off is this guy from Ebola Land goes in sick and does not tell them where he is from or give them any hint that geeeee, I may have ebola being that my entire village is infected with it and I just left there. Add to that the fact he is from there and is visiting the U.S. He must "look" and speak like he is not from here and from Ebola country. Maybe ask him where he is from? Where he has been? Total lack of precaution. I don't understand why we even let people from the Ebola outbreak areas enter the U.S without an ebola test. . Should be standard at this point. I'm not paranoid, just think this situation was totally fumbled. Oh, and Hello John. How's Texas treating you this week!?[hammer]

[sellersm]

Maybe ask him where he is from? Where he has been? Total lack of precaution. I don't understand why we even let people from the Ebola outbreak areas enter the U.S without an ebola test. . Should be standard at this point. I'm not paranoid, just think this situation was totally planned.

FIFY.

[hollohas]

What really pisses me off is this guy from Ebola Land goes in sick and does not tell them where he is from or give them any hint that geeeee, I may have ebola being that my entire village is infected with it and I just left there.

Many reports now saying he DID inform the hospital staff at his first visit of his travel history. Sounding more and more like the supposedly prepared and trained hospital screwed up.

Oh, and the ambulance that transported him to the hospital for his 2nd visit remained in use for two days after until they got the positive test back. Sounds like the paramedics have been isolated as a precaution.

[Special Ed]

What really pisses me off is this guy from Ebola Land goes in sick and does not tell them where he is from or give them any hint that geeeee, I may have ebola being that my entire village is infected with it and I just left there. Add to that the fact he is from there and is visiting the U.S. He must "look" and speak like he is not from here and from Ebola country. Maybe ask him where he is from? Where he has been? Total lack of precaution. I don't understand why we even let people from the Ebola outbreak areas enter the U.S without an ebola test. . Should be standard at this point. I'm not paranoid, just think this situation was totally fumbled. Oh, and Hello John. How's Texas treating you this week!?[hammer]

I'm with you 100%, Andy. The local news last night was full of, "Of course we asked him if he'd traveled from somewhere recently. Oh wait...maybe we didn't. We were supposed to so yeah, we did. No, maybe we didn't." It's a silly friggin' mess. Nobody can get their story straight.

And Howdy, Andy! Texas is treating me ok this week. My neighbors one street over just had their modular home burn to the ground an hour ago but otherwise it's a nice quiet hot dry day in rural Texas.

[Special Ed]

Many reports now saying he DID inform the hospital staff at his first visit of his travel history. Sounding more and more like the supposedly prepared and trained hospital screwed up.

Oh, and the ambulance that transported him to the hospital for his 2nd visit remained in use for two days after until they got the positive test back. Sounds like the paramedics have been isolated as a precaution.

+1 and then some.

And now they've got one of Ebola Man's family members in isolation because they too may have it.

[hollohas]

The patient, a man, walked into an emergency room at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas on September 26. A nurse asked him about his recent travels while he was in the emergency room, and the patient said he had traveled to Africa, said Dr. Mark Lester, executive vice president of Texas Health Resources.
But that information was not "fully communicated" to the medical team, Lester said.

The man, who had flown from Liberia to the United States about a week earlier, underwent basic blood tests, but not an Ebola screening, and was sent home with antibiotics, said Dr. Edward Goodman with Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital.
Two days later, on September 28, the man returned to the facility, where it was determined that he probably had Ebola. He was then isolated. He tested positive for the virus Tuesday, health officials said.



http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/health/ebola-us/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

[hollohas]

There are older studies that suggest possible airborne transmission through aerosol droplets. Infected pigs got monkeys sick when they never had direct contact. This is from 2012

http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/121115/srep00811/full/srep00811.html


In-contact transmission of Zaire-EBOV (ZEBOV) between pigs was demonstrated experimentally. Here we show ZEBOV transmission from pigs to cynomolgus macaques without direct contact....

... Piglets inoculated oro-nasally with ZEBOV were transferred to the room housing macaques in an open inaccessible cage system. All macaques became infected....

[Dave_L]

No matter what they say, this is scary. It amazes me how many people are almost laughing at the concern over this.

[KestrelBike]

Severe photosensitivity, unable to control emotions (difficult to explain that one but imagine trying to talk to someone and crying for a few words in the middle of a sentence and then stopping crying but continuing with the sentence - doc said that was normal given a brain infection). Don't recall any blotches but I don't remember much of what happened over the course of the four days I was in the hospital. Symptoms started in the morning and progressed throughout the day to the point where I couldn't even stand up on my own by the time my wife got home at 5:00PM. The bugger of it all is that they never did isolate the specific type of meningitis. The ER doc said my spinal fluid was the consistency of cottage cheese and my neurologist said the spinal tap revealed it was bacterial but couldn't understand why it didn't get worse since all they did in the hospital was give me antibiotics and fluids. My family doc said he thought it was West Nile but the tests (he did them several times) came back negative for it (negative as well for equine flu, avian flu and a host of others I've long since forgotten).

I'm sorry to hear you lost a good friend over that disease.

Yikes, glad to hear you recovered. From what I remember (this was back in.. 2002/3?) my friend had woken up with the splotches and could barely look at lights, got to the ER by noon or so and by late afternoon he was gone. He was healthy as a horse, too (great cross country runner, but maybe his very low BMI and smaller frame had something to do with the mortality?)

[HighCaliber]

Severe photosensitivity, unable to control emotions (difficult to explain that one but imagine trying to talk to someone and crying for a few words in the middle of a sentence and then stopping crying but continuing with the sentence - doc said that was normal given a brain infection). .

Or being female. :)

Glad you won this battle against meningitis.

I don't think people realize how much strength it takes to battle an enemy that is within.

[Kraven251]

No matter what they say, this is scary. It amazes me how many people are almost laughing at the concern over this.

And it isn't even that nervous laughter, it is just the "nothing bad could ever happen" laughter and rhetoric

[roberth]

No matter what they say, this is scary. It amazes me how many people are almost laughing at the concern over this.

Just wait until some hollywood dipstick or sports star catches it, then the wailing will begin.

[PugnacAutMortem]

Just wait until some hollywood dipstick or sports star catches it, then the wailing will begin.

Please let it be Kim Kardashian and Kanye West...

[hollohas]

New reports - Possible ebola infected patient in Hawaii is being held in isolation. No test results yet.

http://khon2.com/2014/10/01/patient-in-isolation-in-honolulu-hospital-officials-say-ebola-a-possibility/

[flogger]

Anyone else read 'The Hot Zone' about the last Ebola outbreak? The CDC is full of crap.

[Special Ed]

The local news last night informed us that Ebola Man, in the days leading up to his departure from Liberia, helped his landlord take his daughter to the hospital where she died from Ebola the next day.

Ummm....ignorant bastard! If you helped transport a person who died from Ebola, why in the hell would you hop on a friggin' plane the next day?

Funniest part about the news segment was Ebola Man's brother. He said, "He didn't have Ebola until after he visited the hospital and they gave him the medicine." So apparently, Dr. Denial thinks his brother got Ebola from taking the antibiotics the hospital gave him. It couldn't possibly have been his interaction with the girl who died from Ebola just before he left Liberia.

It's obvious that stupid runs deep in their genes.

[hollohas]

Unbelievable. I am also reading reports that Ebola guy was "vomiting all over the place" outside his apartment before the ambulance picked him up. Nobody knows who cleaned it up.

[roberth]

Despite promises by all asunder that any Ebola epidemic in America will be "contained" the dreadful news this morning appears to confirm this is not the case. From one patient, Eric Duncan, just 2 days ago, to 4 schools and 18 people yesterday (according to Texas Governor Rick Perry) to today where (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-02/american-ebola-news-wrap-80-potential-cases-texas-1-hawaii)
NBC News has confirmed (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/ebola-patient-thomas-eric-duncans-nephew-i-had-call-cdc-n216326) with the Dallas county health and human services that 80 people came into contact with the Dallas Ebola patient or his family (including 12-18 direct).

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-02/american-ebola-news-wrap-80-potential-cases-texas-1-hawaii

Now we get to witness another example of government ineptitude and wrong doing.

[Special Ed]

Unbelievable. I am also reading reports that Ebola guy was "vomiting all over the place" outside his apartment before the ambulance picked him up. Nobody knows who cleaned it up.

It was either the local dog population or the armed security guards the apartment complex hired to keep reporters off of the property.

[generalmeow]

I'm stocking up on some canned goods today.

If terrorists are as evil and want to kill us as badly as I have been led to believe they do, and ebola is as deadly as I have been told, then we should be seeing a major and widespread outbreak in the United States in short order. Assuming there are lots of radical muslims that aren't on any watch lists, if any of them wanted to intentionally get infected with Ebola I would think they easily could, and would have 5-20 days or whatever to travel wherever they want in the US and wipe their snot or blood on hand railings at public areas all over the place. Then after a couple of days they'll check into a hospital and keep their fingers crossed, or stay out on the street and wait for their 72 virgins.

And then each of the people who touch those bodily fluids will have 5-20 days to obliviously go around touching things in public, and so on and so forth. How can something like that be contained? It's not like we can even hope for a second to contain the common cold or flu once a certain number of people have it. And winter is coming, which is going to make it even worse with everyone being indoors all the time.

This is so obvious, they will either do this or they're not actually interested in trying to come here to kill us.

[hollohas]

It was either the local dog population...

Perhaps...but that wouldn't be good.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=wWItVOfrNOut8gGql4GIAg&url=http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/11/3/pdfs/04-0981.pdf&cd=2&ved=0CB8QFjAB&usg=AFQjCNFWU-s3n6oRTWVowrXnc-On-BePUg&sig2=7I4k05XtsUQApPsieE82KA

This research paper from 2005 determined dogs who ate ebola infected vomit themselves got infected...And they are asymptomatic.

[roberth]

"If they're not lying, they are grossly incompetent," said Dr. Gil Mobley, a microbiologist and emergency trauma physician from Springfield, Mo. as he checked in and cleared Atlanta airport security wearing a mask, goggles, gloves, boots and a hooded white jumpsuit emblazoned on the back with the words, "CDC is lying!" As The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/doctor-boards-flight-in-ebola-protection-suit-to-p/nhZk8/?icmp=ajc_internallink_textlink_homepage), Mobley says the CDC is "sugar-coating" the risk of the virus spreading in the United States.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-02/doctor-boards-atlanta-flight-hazmat-suit-protest-lying-cdc

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/doctor-boards-flight-in-ebola-protection-suit-to-p/nhZk8/

[Drucker]

50299

[Irving]

LMAO!

[roberth]

Oh that is FUNNY!!! [LOL]

[davsel]

The local news last night informed us that Ebola Man, in the days leading up to his departure from Liberia, helped his landlord take his daughter to the hospital where she died from Ebola the next day.

Ummm....ignorant bastard! If you helped transport a person who died from Ebola, why in the hell would you hop on a friggin' plane the next day?

Funniest part about the news segment was Ebola Man's brother. He said, "He didn't have Ebola until after he visited the hospital and they gave him the medicine." So apparently, Dr. Denial thinks his brother got Ebola from taking the antibiotics the hospital gave him. It couldn't possibly have been his interaction with the girl who died from Ebola just before he left Liberia.

It's obvious that stupid runs deep in their genes.

Ann Barnhardt wrote a column on the reason today:
http://www.barnhardt.biz/2014/10/02/important-ebola-note/

Yes, they are that stupid.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html

[Zundfolge]

Ann Barnhardt wrote a column on the reason today:
http://www.barnhardt.biz/2014/10/02/important-ebola-note/

I agree. It makes sense that Mr Duncan is just an idiot. That doesn't explain all the >98 IQ people he came across between Liberia and Texas.

[rbeau30]

I say we let nature take its course in these countries where it seems these diseases take hold so quickly.

[roberth]

I say we let nature take its course in these countries where it seems these diseases take hold so quickly.

I agree, sometimes we need to sit back and observe, this is one of those times. Let it burn itself out in Africa.

[Kraven251]

The thing that makes me shake my head about this particular outbreak/strain, and the seemingly low level of worry. Typically ebola pops un in Africa and wipes out a village or a small cluster population and goes dormant. The death count keeps rising and this strain keeps spreading.

Typically, you contract the disease go symptomatic and die fairly quickly or survive. This strain based on what I have seen from WHO people are living longer and providing more opportunity to spread the disease. This could get really bad, before it gets any better.

[sellersm]

This strain based on what I have seen from WHO people are living longer and providing more opportunity to spread the disease. This could get really bad, before it gets any better.

Hmmm, kinda like a bio weapon?

[KestrelBike]

Yes, they are that stupid.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html

haha no f'in way Italy is #4.

[colorider]

Screw Ebola , George Clooney got married. We all want to see the pics. Or at least that is what a lot of news outlets think.

[hollohas]

Sounds like the potential Ebola patient in Hawaii isn't even going to be tested for ebola. Health officials said he doesn't "meet the criteria" (even though he previously fit it enough to be admitted and monitored under infectious disease protocol). Don't know what changed, but ebola is no longer a worry in that case.

[TFOGGER]

This strain of Ebola is different for a number of reasons. It seems to have a longer incubation period (5-14 days from exposure to onset of symptoms), and it also seems to have a longer burn cycle. It also managed to get into population centers, rather than the rural nature of previous outbreaks.


I won't lie, this shit worries me. This has the potential to be a civilization ender.

[rbeau30]

Hmmm, kinda like a bio weapon?

There is another sickness (enterovirus) going around now that is acting not like what is expected of a "common bug". Kinda makes you wonder how easy it would be to just have someone get sick (who normally would strap some nails and explosives to themselves) and tour the world or US for as long as they would let him/her sneezing on anything and anything that gets close.

Heck he/she wouldn't even have to be that obvious. I recently went to a fund raiser at my kids' school where they charge you money to illegally show a movie. Made me realize that children have to be the most efficient bioweapons there are! I had the urgent need to decon myself before entyering my house.

[sellersm]

This strain of Ebola is different for a number of reasons. It seems to have a longer incubation period (5-14 days from exposure to onset of symptoms), and it also seems to have a longer burn cycle.

Count on a 21 day incubation period. And in cold weather (winter), it lives a long time on surfaces!

[sellersm]

There is another sickness (enterovirus) going around now that is acting not like what is expected of a "common bug". Kinda makes you wonder how easy it would be to just have someone get sick (who normally would strap some nails and explosives to themselves) and tour the world or US for as long as they would let him/her sneezing on anything and anything that gets close.

Heck he/she wouldn't even have to be that obvious. I recently went to a fund raiser at my kids' school where they charge you money to illegally show a movie. Made me realize that children have to be the most efficient bioweapons there are! I had the urgent need to decon myself before entyering my house.

Can't find the link right now, but one of the old school Russian defectors talked about this plan: human bio weapons who were infected with various "plagues" that would just walk across our porous borders. It's documented that Russia had (has) many bio weapons and were actively testing/creating them, "back in the day"...

[Zundfolge]

Can't find the link right now, but one of the old school Russian defectors talked about this plan: human bio weapons who were infected with various "plagues" that would just walk across our porous borders. It's documented that Russia had (has) many bio weapons and were actively testing/creating them, "back in the day"...

This is what I think the whole lets send 3000 troops to Africa to "fight" Ebola crap is about. Democrats believe "soldier" and "Republican" are synonyms and intend to remove as many of them (and their families and neighbors) from the voting pool as possible.

[DenverGP]

Pic claiming to show the crew cleaning up outside the infected guys apartment after he vomited outside waiting for the ambulance.

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[Kraven251]

Pic claiming to show the crew cleaning up outside the infected guys apartment after he vomited outside waiting for the ambulance.

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even if this isn't the actual picture, I suspect it is representative of what actually happened

[kidicarus13]

Pic claiming to show the crew cleaning up outside the infected guys apartment after he vomited outside waiting for the ambulance.

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Those poor bastards are F'd.

[hollohas]

Pic claiming to show the crew cleaning up outside the infected guys apartment after he vomited outside waiting for the ambulance.

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That looks like the apartment complex I have been seeing in reports. If that picture is true...that's scary. I thought we were prepared to contain this? Apparently they didn't even get into the apartment to dispose of contaminated material until late today. Which according to reports I read, is because the Texas Health Department took that long to find a company willing to do it.

The pictures of the decon crews going into schools (where the exposed kids that the government says AREN'T infected go) show crews wearing a lot more protective gear than this guy who is apparently cleaning up at the location of the infected patient zero USA.

[PugnacAutMortem]

Pic claiming to show the crew cleaning up outside the infected guys apartment after he vomited outside waiting for the ambulance.

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Is this supposed to be after the complex was shut down and the apartment quarantined?

[hollohas]

Is this supposed to be after the complex was shut down and the apartment quarantined?
Complex is not shutdown. A few officers are posted outside to keep the media back. Just the family is quarantined in their unit but all reports say the other units are free to come and go. However, that multiple media outlets camped nearby report seeing 3 people enter and leave patient zero's apartment during the "quarantine".

[PugnacAutMortem]

Complex is not shutdown. A few officers are posted outside to keep the media back. Just the family is quarantined in their unit but all reports say the other units are free to come and go. However, that multiple media outlets camped nearby report seeing 3 people enter and leave patient zero's apartment during the "quarantine".

Oh yeah...they definitely have this whole situation under control. So here's my question, why in the blue hell have we not cut off all inbound travel from affected countries? Hell, why is this apartment complex not completely shut down? It doesn't seem to me that they care a whole heck of a lot about containing this thing. If they did, I would think they would be taking a LOT more precautions.

[hollohas]

It doesn't seem to me that they care a whole heck of a lot about containing this thing. If they did, I would think they would be taking a LOT more precautions.

Because Ebola is almost impossible to catch, didn't you hear? Just a few reminders...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/08/01/why-youre-not-going-to-get-ebola-in-the-u-s/


"There is zero danger to the U.S. public from these [two] cases or the Ebola outbreak in general," said Amesh Adalja, a member of the public health committee of the Infectious Disease Society of America (http://www.idsociety.org/Index.aspx) and an infectious disease doctor at the University of Pittsburgh.

http://www.nature.com/news/largest-ever-ebola-outbreak-is-not-a-global-threat-1.15640



A pandemic flu virus can spread around the world in days or weeks and may be unstoppable whereas Ebola only causes sporadic localised outbreaks that can usually be stamped out.

[Dave_L]

http://www.reddit.com/r/ebola/comments/2i49uk/this_is_the_crew_today_cleaning_the_bloody_vomit/

[rbeau30]

http://www.reddit.com/r/ebola/comments/2i49uk/this_is_the_crew_today_cleaning_the_bloody_vomit/

Hopefully they were illegals, that is the only good thing that could come out of that.



Because Ebola is almost impossible to catch, didn't you hear? Just a few reminders...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/08/01/why-youre-not-going-to-get-ebola-in-the-u-s/



http://www.nature.com/news/largest-ever-ebola-outbreak-is-not-a-global-threat-1.15640

Duck and cover, that will keep the ebolas away.

[hollohas]

Truly, I don't understand why officials and the media continue to say Ebola is no big deal. I have done lots of research on the virus since I read Hot Zone when it was first published and became interested in the subject. Ebola IS a big deal. EVERY published research paper I have read says it is seriously contagious. Even the CDC (who keeps telling us it’s hard to catch) keeps Ebola in their very highest containment level Bio Safety Level 4. It doesn't get higher. This is their description of the safety level from the CDC website.


BSL-4 builds upon the containment requirements of BSL-3 and is the highest level of biological safety. There are a small number of BSL-4 labs in the United States and around the world. The microbes in a BSL-4 lab are dangerous and exotic, posing a high risk of aerosol-transmitted infections. Infections caused by these microbes are frequently fatal and without treatment or vaccines. Two examples of microbes worked with in a BSL-4 laboratory include Ebola and Marburg viruses.

So if the CDC plays with Ebola in the most extremely sealed off and contained labs, wearing multiple layers of protection and positive pressure protective suits designed for viruses that pose a "high risk of aerosol-transmitted infections", why do they keep telling us it’s no big deal? That people can't catch it unless they lick an infected person. They are full of shit, that's why.

They are mishandling this situation. The officials extreme incompetence will lead to more infections. They are so singularly focused on making the public believe Ebola is a minor issue that they are actually risking more people's lives.

While I believe there is no need for the country to panic, I do whole-heartily believe they should be treating this infection with a little more pep-in-their-step.

[buffalobo]

If they don't mishandle the situation now, it won't become severe enough to scare the bejesus out the masses and cause them to beg for gov to save us.

[sellersm]

"more pep-in-their-step" would indicate that they actually cared. I submit that they do not, in the least, care. They own the patent (along with the NIH and Bill Gates), and it's in their best $$ interest to keep this going so they can "sell" their vaccine (which is also patented). There are alphabet agencies that are already squelching (with great force) alternative treatments to this thing... Gotta love our gubment and its NGO partners.

[mcantar18c]

The thing that makes me shake my head about this particular outbreak/strain, and the seemingly low level of worry. Typically ebola pops un in Africa and wipes out a village or a small cluster population and goes dormant. The death count keeps rising and this strain keeps spreading.

Typically, you contract the disease go symptomatic and die fairly quickly or survive. This strain based on what I have seen from WHO people are living longer and providing more opportunity to spread the disease. This could get really bad, before it gets any better.


Hmmm, kinda like a bio weapon?
We have an outbreak of a disease that was previously near-eradicated in a region with very little govt/security/ medical infrastructure and high traffic with the western world (via aid workers traveling back and forth).
We have an ISIS hard drive obtained containing plans for and research on using weaponized viruses.
We have ISIS trying to trade a hostage for Aafia Siddiqui. If you don't know who she is, Google her... key points are MIT education and conduct of research on the best candidate for a host virus for bioterrorism use (spoiler: she picked Ebola).
We have close ties between terror organizations and the people must adopt at penetrating our extremely porous southern border.
We have possible dry runs/proof of concept trials on US soil of previously successful attacks.
Not to mention these groups are getting funding from state entities with malicious intent towards us, equipment designed to produce this kind of weaponry currently unaccounted-for from the former USSR, etc. There's PLENTY more if you know where to look.
I'm usually not the tin foil hat wearing conspiracy type, but if it looks like a duck...

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/dr20140903-captured-documents-reveal-is-s-interest-in-acquiring-bioterror-weapons

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2731164/ISIS-offered-swap-Foley-Lady-Al-Qaeda-Terrorists-wanted-return-MIT-graduate-jailed-U-S-planning-mass-casualty-strike-dirty-bomb-ebola-chemical-weapon-spared-children.html

http://globalsecuritystudies.com/Bartell%2520Hezbollah%2520and%2520Al%2520Shabaab%2 520in%2520Mexico.pdf&cd=1&ved=0CBwQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNFtqquGF2DUTfGfeX6JaG5Q-gKyLg&sig2=SSViCgvnLK6Q3UZvgTh7sQ

http://allenbwest.com/2014/08/san-diego-illegal-alien-beach-storming-prelude-something-bigger/

[rbeau30]

If they don't mishandle the situation now, it won't become severe enough to scare the bejesus out the masses and cause them to beg for gov to save us make laws to take away our rights 'for the good of the nation'.


FIFY

[hollohas]

Guys, don't worry. There is a crackpot crew of kindergarten janitors cleaning up the mess. It's impossible it will spread in the USA because we are so advanced.

[Great-Kazoo]

If they don't mishandle the situation now, it won't become severe enough to scare the bejesus out the masses and cause them to beg for gov to save us.

Like using a power washer on bodily fluids from a know carrier? Taking a semi solid mass of contagion and aerosolizing it . Spreading it who knows how far, besides the skilled hazmat team pictured, breathing it in, on their clothes etc.

1 sneeze, cough, touching ANYTHING where other people have been, without gloves.

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608028388574695023&pid=15.1&P=0


https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608026176666927189&pid=15.1&P=0

[hollohas]

...besides the skilled hazmat team pictured... The US has their top men on it. TOP MEN.

[hollohas]

NBC5 Dallas reporting 4 LEO'S and health worker went into apartment on Wednesday without PPE. They have now been told to seal their uniforms in bags and go home. Two Police cars have been sealed off as well.

[Great-Kazoo]

The US has their top men on it. TOP MEN.

Luckily it's not a JV clean up crew.

[rbeau30]

NBC5 Dallas reporting 4 LEO'S and health worker went into apartment on Wednesday without PPE. They have now been told to seal their uniforms in bags and go home. Two Police cars have been sealed off as well.

I am surprised the LEOs or "health worker" were that stupid.

[Irving]

Here is a list of historical outbreaks. Interesting to put into scale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ebola_outbreaks

[hollohas]

The CDC lists Ebola as a catagory A bio-terrorism agent defined as:

"High-priority agents include organisms that pose a risk to national security because they:

- can be easily disseminated or transmitted from person to person;

-result in high mortality rates and have the potential for major public health impact;

-might cause public panic and social disruption; and

-require special action for public health preparedness

But please, public, believe the government when they tell you Ebola is almost impossible to catch. Yes, the CDC might classify ebola as an easily transmisable bio-terrorism agent that has the potential for a major public health impact...but disregard all that technical nonsense and instead trust what the CDC guy on the news tells you...it's no big deal. They got this.

http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/agentlist-category.asp

[Gman]

It's a good thing I have that anti-terrorism kit with the plastic sheeting and duct tape to seal up the house.

[Great-Kazoo]

It's a good thing I have that anti-terrorism kit with the plastic sheeting and duct tape to seal up the house.

HAHA. remember that deal after 9/11

[KAPA]

Just saw on 9News that Diana Degette leads the committee that oversees the CDC. Not to worry folks, once you catch Ebola and get rid of it, it is used up and gone forever. Did I get that logic right?

I hope this old bitch knows more about diseases than she does guns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ0R5vXa6PA

[Dave_L]

Well this is good to know. Plane that had the Ebola patient came to Denver the next day.

http://kdvr.com/2014/10/02/can-you-catch-ebola-on-a-plane/

[roberth]

Just saw on 9News that Diana Degette leads the committee that oversees the CDC. Not to worry folks, once you catch Ebola and get rid of it, it is used up and gone forever. Did I get that logic right?

I hope this old bitch knows more about diseases than she does guns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ0R5vXa6PA

Like most (D) she only has to think that she knows more in order to know more than the rest of us.

NBC put people in the hot zone, wonder what their insurance payments will be now.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-03/nbc-cameraman-covering-ebola-outbreak-liberia-tests-positive-virus

Ebola isn't something we want to watch first hand, it is something we want to watch from about 10,000 miles away. Their arrogance will get them killed and that doesn't bother me one bit.

[hollohas]

Inconceivable. Only family members in close quarters and medical workers can catch ebola. A cameraman surely doesn't have direct contact with infected bodily fluids like medical workers and family members do.

[BushMasterBoy]

Gentlemen, the answer is simple bleach. Sodium hypochlorite. UV lights help too.

[hollohas]

Gentlemen, the answer is simple bleach. Sodium hypochlorite. UV lights help too.

Most everyone knows that. Except apparently the authorities. Maybe you should inform Texas authorities that wouldn't allow a cleaning crew to enter the apartment (4 days later) because they didn’t have proper disposal permits.


A cleaning crew was rushed to the scene by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) following the shocking revelation - only for them to be turned away by Texas authorities because they do not have the correct permits.
The crew, contracted by the county and state, would return on Friday to complete the job


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2779036/My-daddy-going-bathroom-constantly-Victim-s-daughter-reveals-terror-Ebola-quarantine-apartment-use-grocery-store-cleaners-attempt-disinfect-it.html

[roberth]

Most everyone knows that. Except apparently the authorities. Maybe you should inform Texas authorities that wouldn't allow a cleaning crew to enter the apartment (4 days later) because they didn’t have proper disposal permits.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2779036/My-daddy-going-bathroom-constantly-Victim-s-daughter-reveals-terror-Ebola-quarantine-apartment-use-grocery-store-cleaners-attempt-disinfect-it.html

Gotta pay the man first, b/c you know, they're looking out for us.

[PugnacAutMortem]

Most everyone knows that. Except apparently the authorities. Maybe you should inform Texas authorities that wouldn't allow a cleaning crew to enter the apartment (4 days later) because they didn’t have proper disposal permits.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2779036/My-daddy-going-bathroom-constantly-Victim-s-daughter-reveals-terror-Ebola-quarantine-apartment-use-grocery-store-cleaners-attempt-disinfect-it.html

Oh FFS...if they are so concerned about covering their asses, why in the hell aren't they covering their asses in ANY way they can?

[Irving]

American cameraman has contracted Ebola in Texas. He's being flown back to the US now.

[buffalobo]

American cameraman has contracted Ebola in Texas. He's being flown back to the US now.
Thank god for the "air bridge". [emoji33]

[crashdown]

Some actor said this... no idea who he is, but it's classic.

"People shouldn't be so scared about this virus from Africa. He only has two more years of his presidency."

[roberth]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-03/nigerian-traveler-admitted-washington-hospital-ebola-symptoms (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-03/nigerian-traveler-admitted-washington-hospital-ebola-symptoms)


The patient, who was not named, had traveled to Nigeria and upon returning was "presenting with symptoms that could be associated with Ebola," according to hospital spokeswoman Kerry-Ann Hamilton.

This hospital is in Washington, DC.

[sellersm]

Do you even appear to have ebola? Goodbye rights! http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/during-an-ebola-pandemic-all-of-your-rights-would-essentially-be-meaningless

[PugnacAutMortem]

Do you even appear to have ebola? Goodbye rights! http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/during-an-ebola-pandemic-all-of-your-rights-would-essentially-be-meaningless

That's tough though, because there is a fine line between doing what is necessary to control the disease and going overboard with taking people's rights away. Now you could make the jump and say they are purposefully letting this get totally out of hand in order to control the population...however I have a very hard time seeing just exactly what that would accomplish especially if this is as deadly as has been claimed in the past. If they purposefully infect the population and 90% of the population dies, what is left to hold power over? I think if they wanted to grab power over the masses there are other more efficient ways of doing it other than domestic biological terrorism with a class 4 virus.

[sellersm]

They want to hold power over us? Really? They want us all dead, just like all the other regimes in history did...

[PugnacAutMortem]

They want to hold power over us? Really? They want us all dead, just like all the other regimes in history did...

So what is the end game then for killing off everyone under you? Serious question, because I think power is a far more universal motivator than murder.

[Great-Kazoo]

So it ends not with an EMP but the CDC.

[sniper7]

So it ends not with an EMP but the CDC.


Its like the walking dead!

[spqrzilla]

http://nypost.com/2014/10/03/armed-guards-blocking-family-exposed-to-ebola-from-leaving-dallas-home/

Oh, and nothing says "Ready for Ebola" like a clean up crewman in a hazmat suit ... with rolled up sleeves:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-03/why-americas-not-ready-ebola-outbreak-1-photo

So much fraking fail.

[Irving]

If I weren't actually concerned about this outbreak, I'd finally make that 14th century plague mask with cane and cape Halloween costume I've been thinking about for years.

[Sawin]

http://nypost.com/2014/10/03/armed-guards-blocking-family-exposed-to-ebola-from-leaving-dallas-home/

Oh, and nothing says "Ready for Ebola" like a clean up crewman in a hazmat suit ... with rolled up sleeves:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-03/why-americas-not-ready-ebola-outbreak-1-photo

So much fraking fail.

You can't fix stupid...

[Great-Kazoo]

You can't fix stupid...

You can. Only the time frame for dying is unknown.

[hollohas]

5 full days of no sense of urgency and now this...

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2779036/Hazmat-team-arrives-Ebola-victim-s-apartment-FIVE-DAYS-later.html

[hollohas]

Patient Zero's step-daughter, along with her 4 kids and husband, lives in a completely different apartment complex than we have been seeing in the news. It is being reported that they are starting to get sick. They called the CDC yesterday to get confirmation if they should stay indoors or not but got no answers. And they haven't seen anyone from the CDC in 24 hours.

The step-daughter was the one who found patient zero sick in bed and got the ball rolling getting him into the hospital. Her kids stayed the night at the quarantined apartment. She is a nursing assistant.


Relatives of Ebola victim Thomas Eric Duncan who were put under observation by CDC after they visited him on the day he was taken to hospital are still waiting for an answer about what they should do 24 hours after they begged them for help.
Aaron Yah, 43, and wife Youngor Jallah, 35, yesterday told of their ordeal in isolation and revealed that they had not received direct orders to stay indoors....


...Most troubling of all some family members are beginning to show cold-like symptoms.
Ms Jallah repeatedly wiped her eyes - which appeared sticky - with a paper towel while a child sneezed and coughed in the background....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2779932/CDC-not-contacted-second-family-Ebola-quarantine-24-hours-sneezing-coughing.html

[roberth]

So what is the end game then for killing off everyone under you? Serious question, because I think power is a far more universal motivator than murder.

They don't kill off everyone, just the people who pose a threat. They can consolidate power better and faster with the opposition dead. A good place to start would be the history of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc, don't need to read too much to get the gist of it.

[roberth]

You can't fix stupid...

We can't but ebola can.

[PugnacAutMortem]

They don't kill off everyone, just the people who pose a threat. They can consolidate power better and faster with the opposition dead. A good place to start would be the history of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc, don't need to read too much to get the gist of it.

I understand taking out the opposition...however there are far better ways of doing that than Ebola.

[Zombie Steve]

Ashes, ashes, we all fall down.

[Great-Kazoo]

however there are far better ways of doing that than Ebola.

There are. However with this one EVERYONE they have come in contact with, comes forward. You rule out passengers who were on same plane, train, automobile. This gives one a good idea of their circle of friends, so to speak. Under the guise of ebola / quarantine of patients. No one's the wiser when they don't recover.

[sellersm]

I understand taking out the opposition...however there are far better ways of doing that than Ebola.

This is only the beginning... Probably more of a test.


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[roberth]

I understand taking out the opposition...however there are far better ways of doing that than Ebola.

The ends justify the means. Ebola is just another way to accomplish the goal.

[Dave_L]

Good ol' liberal tolerance. Lefty on FB said this:

"I would never wish Ebola virus on anyone, but if any state needs a good scrub-down..."

That'll teach those right wingers!

[KestrelBike]

http://nypost.com/2014/10/03/armed-guards-blocking-family-exposed-to-ebola-from-leaving-dallas-home/

Oh, and nothing says "Ready for Ebola" like a clean up crewman in a hazmat suit ... with rolled up sleeves:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-03/why-americas-not-ready-ebola-outbreak-1-photo

So much fraking fail.

bwahahah "AIN'T GOT TIME FOR SLEEVES IN THIS HOT WEATHER"

[roberth]

Feds Try to Calm Ebola Fears after Texas 'Missteps'
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/feds-try-calm-ebola-fears-after-texas-missteps-n217961

LOL - more incompetence dressed as 'smarts'.

[buffalobo]

So what is the end game then for killing off everyone under you? Serious question, because I think power is a far more universal motivator than murder.
Natural resources and basic evil. Nothing more powerful than wielding power.

[Great-Kazoo]

Natural resources and basic evil. Nothing more powerful than wielding power.

Especially with XX number of illegals sitting near the border. As i said before Tejas wiil be bluer than NY or CA by 2016, if not sooner

[Zundfolge]

If they purposefully infect the population and 90% of the population dies, what is left to hold power over?

Are you kidding? The remaining 10% will be EXTREMELY easy for them to control. These are the same people that believe they can be made rich by destroying Capitalism.

Keep in mind that there are radical environmentalists that honestly believe that the human population needs to be massively reduced in order for their beloved earth goddess to survive, let alone thrive.

Didn't you read Rainbow 6? [Flower]

[ChunkyMonkey]

Perhaps it's time to change the Thread Title from in Texas to in USA

D.C. hospital admits patient with Ebola-like symptomshttp://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/03/howard-university-ebola-symptoms-patient-admitted-nigeria/16645717/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/03/us-health-ebola-usa-idUSKCN0HP2F720141003

[sellersm]

From what I've heard, it's in a handful of states, and there are more in TX than what's being reported... Be vigilant. Be prepared. Don't get caught in the coming quarantines...

[HoneyBadger]

Good thing I went to Costco and stocked up on tissues, hand sanitizer, bleach, and bottled water yesterday...

[HoneyBadger]

If anyone in the Springs area wants some of these, let me know. I'm going to order a bunch tomorrow.
http://www.amazon.com/3M-Particulate-Respirator-8233-N100/dp/B008MCV43K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412395766&sr=8-1&keywords=N-100

[mcantar18c]

Heard some hush-hush talk today of a confirmed case in Charlotte. Not sure how reliable/valid that is.

[Irving]

If anyone in the Springs area wants some of these, let me know. I'm going to order a bunch tomorrow.
http://www.amazon.com/3M-Particulate-Respirator-8233-N100/dp/B008MCV43K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412395766&sr=8-1&keywords=N-100

Is that $10.98 price per mask?

[HoneyBadger]

Is that $10.98 price per mask?
Yes. These masks have a rubber gasket on the back so that you can have an actual seal to your face. Also, I'll be getting them for about $9.80 each, including shipping.

[sellersm]

The N100 masks can be found cheaper at a place called Boss safety supplies or something, it's an online vendor. Don't have link handy.…


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[hollohas]

Heard some hush-hush talk today of a confirmed case in Charlotte. Not sure how reliable/valid that is.
D.C. has possible case...

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Patient-With-Ebola-Like-Symptoms-Being-Treated-at-Howard-University-Hospital-278025181.html

[trlcavscout]

So I was reading about a case in Dc and a case in MD, both people had been to Nigeria, one case was confirmed as malaria but they didn't say about the other? So this is bodily fluid spread not airborne, interesting.

[StagLefty]

There seems to be a lot of respirator masks available. What's the best affordable one ?

[theGinsue]

Honest question here, not trying to start anything.

Help me out with the thought process for respirator masks. I don't understand their need or what makes them a better option than a simple pollen mask (http://www.thefind.com/beauty/info-pollen-mask) - which I wouldn't understand getting for this ebola thing either.

Ebola is spread via contact with a contagious persons bodily fluids (which can stay dangerous outside the body for hours). So far, it hasn't mutated into being airborne transmittible. So, I'm not clear on why a mask is beneficial.

Now, if I thought there was any contact risk I'd also be buying tyvek suits (with hoods), heavy rubber gloves, rolls of duck tape, and a good set of goggles (preferably integrated with the respirator). Not to mention a kiddy pool, a good long handled scrub brush & LOTS of bleach.

Anyone?

[Great-Kazoo]

Is that $10.98 price per mask?


Yes. These masks have a rubber gasket on the back so that you can have an actual seal to your face. Also, I'll be getting them for about $9.80 each, including shipping.

too much $$


The N100 masks can be found cheaper at a place called Boss safety supplies or something, it's an online vendor. Don't have link handy.…


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Welding shops carry them in different configurations. General Air & Air gas.

[TFOGGER]

I think the concern is that the bodily fluids may become aerosolized, by traffic or some nitwit with a pressure washer, for instance. I'm guessing a lot of folks are not putting much faith in the CDC's info on transmission, either, given that all of the aid workers that have contracted it so far have closely followed the CDC PPE protocols. Because it is a hemorrhagic fever, ANY bodily fluids may be contaminated, including saliva, vomit and plegm, not just blood and semen.

[Great-Kazoo]

Heads up for people buying N95's. There is more to wearing a respirator than making sure it fits good. Unless you do a fit test, what you think fits may not. Having working in a Level 3 Bio-Safety research facility, there were some people we had to special order N-95's for.

Basic fit is for the mask to seal to mouth and nasal passage (nose) as good as possible. Having facial hair limits the effect of mask. Not having facial hair / light shaver may also limit seal to face. More expensive does not mean better, in this case.

[StagLefty]

^ so there is no good recommendation without trying them first ?

[Great-Kazoo]

^ so there is no good recommendation without trying them first ?

CORRECT.
The 3M have shown better fit for most folks when tested. Those green units, Dr offices hand out avoid The biggest issue i have seen is sloppy wearing of.
If i can get in touch with one of my old bio-safety reps i will have the stock numbers.

Interesting how many on Amazon show 2-4 left OR OOS. ONCE AGAIN PANIC BUYERS.

here is a 20 pk for $2-3 more than that $13 per unit.
http://www.amazon.com/3M-8210-N95-Respirator-20-Pack/dp/B002OJB8AQ/ref=lp_2257619011_1_13?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1412447720&sr=1-13

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BUD0OW?psc=1

NO. The plastic breaks or flap doesn't seal right, serious integrity issues. I use these when welding.
http://www.amazon.com/3M-8511-Particulate-Respirator-10-Pack/dp/B0002YKBV2/ref=pd_bxgy_hi_img_z

One more item.
it takes more than a N95 to avoid cross contamination / becoming a statistic .

When out in public do you take precautions when you touch something (wearing nitrile or latex gloves)
Are you wearing a N95 outside the home? You walk down the coffee/tea aisle, unaware 3 minutes ago the person who just left there had been sneezing. No N95?? you just walked in to air borne particulates still there from said person.

Handling that good looking roast in meats. 2nd to last person doing the same. Just came from the rest room, NOT washing hands before exiting.

In the library 3 people touched that same book. 1 of them was bleeding. You thought it was water OOPS.

Unless you live in a bubble you are always at risk. We've discussed it before. Follow good hand washing, and other health practices, minimize the risk.

[hollohas]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2780696/BREAKING-NEWS-CDC-officials-rush-Newark-Airport-meet-Liberian-passenger-flying-Brussels-showed-symptoms-Ebola.html

"CDC officials have rushed to Newark Liberty International Airport after a passenger believed to be from Liberia showed symptoms of Ebola.

The man, said to be 35 years old, traveling with his daughter, reported to be around 10, on a United Airlines flight from Brussels was vomiting as they landed in New Jersey at 1.50pm, airport officials said.

They were both removed from the plane by a CDC crew wearing full Hazmat attire and taken to University Hospital in Newark..."

The 261 passengers were then handed leaflets titled, 'Possible Exposure: Ebola. What you need to do

[Great-Kazoo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2780696/BREAKING-NEWS-CDC-officials-rush-Newark-Airport-meet-Liberian-passenger-flying-Brussels-showed-symptoms-Ebola.html

"CDC officials have rushed to Newark Liberty International Airport after a passenger believed to be from Liberia showed symptoms of Ebola.

The man, said to be 35 years old, traveling with his daughter, reported to be around 10, on a United Airlines flight from Brussels was vomiting as they landed in New Jersey at 1.50pm, airport officials said.

They were both removed from the plane by a CDC crew wearing full Hazmat attire and taken to University Hospital in Newark..."

The 261 passengers were then handed leaflets titled, 'Possible Exposure: Ebola. What you need to do

[panic] it's always after the fact. Instead of putting a hold on all passengers from that flight. They'd rather let em walk. After all who wants to inconvenience someone that may be infected.

[sellersm]

it's always after the fact. Instead of putting a hold on all passengers from that flight. They'd rather let em walk. After all who wants to stop their plan of mass infection.

FIFY. Remember who owns the patent on this virus, and who stands to benefit from the one and only vaccine! Not to mention the delight in reducing the population even more...

[cmailliard]

The best N95's you can get are 3M 1860 or 1870. The 1860 is fine for indoor use the 1870 works great outdoors in humid environments. Avoid duckbill type respirators, they suck, plain and simple. Moldex are OK. Yes you must be fit tested, yes it is only part of personal protective equipment. No you do not need N95's for Ebola unless you are doing patient care.

[HoneyBadger]

No you do not need N95's for Ebola unless you are doing patient care.
Can you elaborate on this?

[cmailliard]

Can you elaborate on this?

Unless you are directly in the patients face or immediate area, i.e. intubating, providing ventilations, starting an IV, etc. the risk associated with being EXPOSED to Ebola is extremely slim. Even still the Ebola Virus can be as small as .2 microns, N95, P100, etc. all base their protection size on .3 microns or larger. So if you want to get extremely anal about it an N95 or even P100 will not protect you based solely on the micron size of the virus. Ebola requires fluid to carry it such as mucous from a sneeze, those are much larger than .3 microns so they will effectively stop Ebola, but so will a simple face mask. So why only around patient care? Because a simple face mask has plenty of gaps, it is not a tight fit respirator like an N95. If someone coughs or sneezes right in your face with a simple face mask it is possible that some of the bad stuff could sneak in. With an N95 or other tight fit respirator that risk all but removed, even in close proximity of patient care.

What is the difference between exposure and contamination? Contamination means something is on your skin and you can be decontaminated (wash your hands), exposed is the the bad stuff has entered your body through one of the 4 routes of exposure (inhalation, injection, ingestion, or absorption). You can get Ebola on your intact skin from a sneeze and still not be exposed to the virus, go wash with soap. It must come in contact with your mucous membranes or other body fluid for transmission.

If I was still working in EMS I would not be concerned to much about this yet, If you start to see clusters of patients, then you can start getting concerned.

[hurley842002]

Unless you are directly in the patients face or immediate area, i.e. intubating, providing ventilations, starting an IV, etc. the risk associated with being EXPOSED to Ebola is extremely slim. Even still the Ebola Virus can be as small as .2 microns, N95, P100, etc. all base their protection size on .3 microns or larger. So if you want to get extremely anal about it an N95 or even P100 will not protect you based solely on the micron size of the virus. Ebola requires fluid to carry it such as mucous from a sneeze, those are much larger than .3 microns so they will effectively stop Ebola, but so will a simple face mask. So why only around patient care? Because a simple face mask has plenty of gaps, it is not a tight fit respirator like an N95. If someone coughs or sneezes right in your face with a simple face mask it is possible that some of the bad stuff could sneak in. With an N95 or other tight fit respirator that risk all but removed, even in close proximity of patient care.

What is the difference between exposure and contamination? Contamination means something is on your skin and you can be decontaminated (wash your hands), exposed is the the bad stuff has entered your body through one of the 4 routes of exposure (inhalation, injection, ingestion, or absorption). You can get Ebola on your intact skin from a sneeze and still not be exposed to the virus, go wash with soap. It must come in contact with your mucous membranes or other body fluid for transmission.

If I was still working in EMS I would not be concerned to much about this yet, If you start to see clusters of patients, then you can start getting concerned.
Good info!

[rbeau30]

Practicing good hygiene is probably the best and most effective way of combating stuff like this. You would be surprised how many times you put your fingers in and around your mouth eyes ears nose, etc.

I remember watching a show that put invisible ink on people's hands, then after a certain period they used a black light and showed where the ink was transferred. It also showed how effectively they were washing their hands as well.

I am sure there was a good reason why at all DFACs where I served in the AoR you had to wash your hands before entering. Good way for bugs to get into your body.

[HoneyBadger]

Unless you are directly in the patients face or immediate area, i.e. intubating, providing ventilations, starting an IV, etc. the risk associated with being EXPOSED to Ebola is extremely slim. Even still the Ebola Virus can be as small as .2 microns, N95, P100, etc. all base their protection size on .3 microns or larger. So if you want to get extremely anal about it an N95 or even P100 will not protect you based solely on the micron size of the virus. Ebola requires fluid to carry it such as mucous from a sneeze, those are much larger than .3 microns so they will effectively stop Ebola, but so will a simple face mask. So why only around patient care? Because a simple face mask has plenty of gaps, it is not a tight fit respirator like an N95. If someone coughs or sneezes right in your face with a simple face mask it is possible that some of the bad stuff could sneak in. With an N95 or other tight fit respirator that risk all but removed, even in close proximity of patient care.

What is the difference between exposure and contamination? Contamination means something is on your skin and you can be decontaminated (wash your hands), exposed is the the bad stuff has entered your body through one of the 4 routes of exposure (inhalation, injection, ingestion, or absorption). You can get Ebola on your intact skin from a sneeze and still not be exposed to the virus, go wash with soap. It must come in contact with your mucous membranes or other body fluid for transmission.

If I was still working in EMS I would not be concerned to much about this yet, If you start to see clusters of patients, then you can start getting concerned.
Thanks for the great explanation. This is a bit reassuring.

[Great-Kazoo]

Practicing good hygiene is probably the best and most effective way of combating stuff like this. You would be surprised how many times you put your fingers in and around your mouth eyes ears nose, etc.

I remember watching a show that put invisible ink on people's hands, then after a certain period they used a black light and showed where the ink was transferred. It also showed how effectively they were washing their hands as well.

I am sure there was a good reason why at all DFACs where I served in the AoR you had to wash your hands before entering. Good way for bugs to get into your body.

Unfortunately people do not wash their hands, based on a generic sample of people you see in food places.

[rbeau30]

Unfortunately people do not wash their hands, based on a generic sample of people you see in food places.

I hear ya.

I mentioned it in another thread about my experience at my kids' school. Such an efficient way of spreading diseases. We are our own worse enemy as far as hygiene. We also can do a lot to control the spread every day.

It is what makes us different from the places/people where this stuff proliferates.

So I have respirators... should we also be wearing eye protection? Aerosol or droplet particles could also enter the body through eyes.

[Great-Kazoo]

I hear ya.

I mentioned it in another thread about my experience at my kids' school. Such an efficient way of spreading diseases. We are our own worse enemy as far as hygiene. We also can do a lot to control the spread every day.

It is what makes us different from the places/people where this stuff proliferates.

So I have respirators... should we also be wearing eye protection? Aerosol or droplet particles could also enter the body through eyes.

I'd be concerned about open portals of entry other than eyes, nose, mouth. Keep an eye out for minor cuts or scratches.

[rbeau30]

I'd be concerned about open portals of entry other than eyes, nose, mouth. Keep an eye out for minor cuts or scratches.

Nitrile gloves in the preps too. And EDC. Ohh darn should have posted that in the other section.



Scary thing is that "preparedness" subjects are getting more and more into general discussion... just like in life outside of here.

[Gman]

Practicing good hygiene is probably the best and most effective way of combating stuff like this. You would be surprised how many times you put your fingers in and around your mouth eyes ears nose, etc.

I remember watching a show that put invisible ink on people's hands, then after a certain period they used a black light and showed where the ink was transferred. It also showed how effectively they were washing their hands as well.
This discussion reminds me of the SNL parody commercial for Fecalvision glasses.

[Irving]

This discussion reminds me of the SNL parody commercial for Fecalvision glasses.

Tim Meadows! I was thinking of that too.

[sellersm]

Here's an example of how some people think. Taken from here: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/fbi-interested-in-texas-doomsday-ecologist-who-said-ebola-the-solution-to-h



As reported by LifeSiteNews, the virus causes a form of hemorrhagic fever in which internal organs eventually deteriorate and liquefy. There is no known cure or vaccine for the disease, and it has an extremely high mortality rate of between 80 and 90 percent in most parts of the world where it strikes.

In addition, as LifeSiteNews further reports:

It is also high on the list of possible bio-terror weapons of concern to international law enforcement and military security agencies. Tom Clancy's thriller novel, Rainbow Sixdescribes a group of radical environmentalists that wants to rid the world of people using a modified version of Ebola.

Every one will have to bury nine

And that's why the FBI is interested in speaking with Dr. Eric R. Pianka, a Texas ecologist and herpetologist who suggested during a meeting at the Texas Academy of Sciences that, were Ebola to become airborne, it would likely kill 90 percent of the human population and instantly solve what he called the "overpopulation problem."

Now that Ebola has come to the U.S. in, of all places, Texas, Dr. Pianka has been walking back his comments, telling the Austin American-Statesman that he has never advocated bio-terrorism and that he met with local FBI officials in response to suggestions that bio-terrorism was precisely what he had in mind.

"Someone has reported me as a terrorist," Dr. Pianka told the paper, according toLifeSiteNews. "They think I'm forming a cadre of people to release the airborne Ebola (http://www.naturalnews.com/Ebola.html)virus into the air. That I'm the leader and my students are the followers."

When Dr. Pianka was named by the academy as a Distinguished Texas Scientist in 2006, he stated that the AIDS virus was not killing off the surplus human population quickly enough. What he said was needed was to have Ebola eliminate 5.8 billion of the world's then-6 billion people. Even more bizarre -- and scary -- is that his speech received a standing ovation at the academy's annual meeting, at Lamar University in Beaumont, Texas.

Indeed, as LifeSiteNews reported, quoting the Seguin Gazette (http://seguingazette.com/news/article_11e24a27-e97e-53f0-9d3b-29875b3d72e7.html), Dr. Pianka also stated, "Every one of you who gets to survive has to bury nine." There is more discussion of that quote and Pianka's statements here (http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2014/08/professor-eric-pianka-believes-ebola-is-perfect-method-for-mass-culling-90-of-human-population-2642310.html) and here (http://drrichswier.com/2014/08/06/american-scientist-2006-called-extermination-90-earths-population-using-airborne-ebola-virus/).

Continuing in his speech, Pianka said, "[Disease] will control the scourge of humanity. We're looking forward to a huge collapse. We've grown fat, apathetic and miserable," he continued, describing the world (http://www.naturalnews.com/world.html) as a "fat, human biomass."

[sellersm]

Or this crazy scheme of mixing rabies & Ebola:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUO-woMZF08

See here:
https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2014/03/31/2014-07023/prospective-grant-of-exclusive-license-multivalent-vaccines-for-rabies-virus-and-ebola-and-marburg
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2014-03-31/pdf/2014-07021.pdf
http://www.google.com/patents/EP2670843A1?cl=en
https://www.google.com/patents/EP2290108B1?cl=en&dq=ininventor:%22Joseph+E.+Blaney%22&ei=4FQwVP3_GsipogTH7oBg
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/10/1001027-rabies-influenza-zombie-virus-science/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2014/03/18/is-the-cdc-really-preparing-for-a-zombie-apocalypse-not-exactly/

[sellersm]

This in pretty informative, discusses difference between "airborne and aerosolized":


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXQ-2FUOtvk

[sellersm]

India's "Xenex Little Moe Robot" claims to kill Ebola in just a few minutes. Keep an eye on this, I'll bet the patent-holders (CDC, NIH, Bill Gates) won't want any competition!

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/technology/story/xenexs-little-moe-robot-kills-ebola-virus/1/394122.html

[CO Hugh]

Don't forget they also imported non polio Polio, that is now paralyzing our kids!!

[hollohas]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2782651/Spanish-nurse-feared-person-contract-virus-outside-Africa.html
Even medical staff in advanced nations using modern technology and thorough isolation techniques are at risk apparently...

Spanish nurse who treated Ebola victim in Madrid becomes first person in the world to contract virus outside of Africa.


A Spanish nurse who treated an Ebola victim in Madrid has become the first person in the world to contract the deadly virus outside of Africa.

The 44-year-old is said to have spent the last 15 years working at Madrid's Carlos III Hospital, where the two Spanish missionaries infected with Ebola died....

...Colleagues tonight expressed their surprise at news that the nurse, from Galicia in northwest Spain, had died from the virus, saying that there had been 'extreme' measures in place to protect hospital staff....

[Gman]

It seems it would be safer to leave the ebola over in Africa instead of bringing it over here. I don't get the logic of bringing the bug here.

...but then I started thinking. Based on the patterns of allowing illegals into the country in ever-increasing numbers, maybe ebola causes the afflicted to vote Democrat?

[centrarchidae]

FIFY. Remember who owns the patent on this virus, and who stands to benefit from the one and only vaccine! Not to mention the delight in reducing the population even more...
Okay, I'll bite: Who owns the patent and what's the patent number? Every patent in the US is public record, and I'd like to read this one.

[sellersm]

Okay, I'll bite: Who owns the patent and what's the patent number? Every patent in the US is public record, and I'd like to read this one.

CDC, NIH (National institute of Health), Crucell and Bill Gates! And guess who was also involved (for those who love their GMO food)? Monsanto!

Look here:
http://www.google.com/patents/EP2350270A2?cl=en

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/09/17/the-cdc-nih-bill-gates-own-the-patents-on-existing-ebola-related-vaccines-mandatory-vaccinations-are-near/

http://www.google.com/patents/CA2741523A1?cl=en

50579

[Gman]

Oh, snap, where's my foil?

The patents listed above include vaccinations and indicator kits to tell if someone is infected.

One of the primary goals of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is to provide vaccinations worldwide.
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/What-We-Do/Global-Development/Vaccine-Delivery

[68Charger]

Okay, I'll bite: Who owns the patent and what's the patent number? Every patent in the US is public record, and I'd like to read this one.
Just keep in mind, you can't patent a naturally occurring virus- so if they patent it, they've modified it...


Oh, snap, where's my foil?

The patents listed above include vaccinations and indicator kits to tell if someone is infected.

One of the primary goals of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is to provide vaccinations worldwide.
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/What-We-Do/Global-Development/Vaccine-Delivery
I have list a mile long not to trust those assholes,... this is just icing on the shit pile...

[sellersm]

How about this one? https://www.google.com/patents/US20120251502

[sellersm]

OK, I so maybe I can't read these documents correctly, but doesn't this mean they own the virus?

‘The present invention is based upon the isolation and identification of a new human Ebola virus species, EboBun. EboBun was isolated from the patients suffering from hemorrhagic fever in a recent outbreak in Uganda.’

[sellersm]

Personally, I'm with 68Charger: I don't trust any of the TLA that are related to the gubment... And I don't trust Bill Gates either, who's already on record as one who believes in reducing the 'overpopulation problem' (and profiting from it!).


No doubt the US government is highly invested in Ebola for both potential Big Pharma profits developing a vaccine as well as for a potential “final solution” as a convenient biowarfare global population-killer. Speaking of profits, Tekmira Pharmaceuticals (http://www.naturalnews.com/046259_Ebola_outbreak_drug_treatments_Monsanto.htm l), a company working on an anti-Ebola drug, just received a $1.5 million cash advance from another killer corporation Monsanto. In the past Tekmira was also awarded $140 million contract from the Department of Defense (formerly known more appropriately as the Department of War). In 2010 the CDC (http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25823/61/) actually did acquire a patent on the strain that erupted in Uganda in 2007 that killed 39 out of 116 infected patients. The CDC patent owning that particular strain of Ebola from Uganda known as “EboBun” has the patent number CA2741523A1 and can be viewed here (http://www.google.com/patents/CA2741523A1?cl=en).

By filing for a patent on a product, in this case a highly lethal infectious disease, the US government is acquiring a governmentally enforced monopoly to exclusively profit from the “invention.” In the summary section of the EboBun patent, it stipulates that the US government in its patent ownership has complete legal control and ownership over all other strains of Ebola virus that share 70% (http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25823/61/) and higher similarity. Thus, this deadly West African strain of Ebola will soon become the US government’s latest prize possession in biowarfare.

Taken from: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ebola-virus-pandemic-a-weapon-of-mass-destruction/5394976

[Gman]

Biological patents in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_patents_in_the_United_States)

"The invention provides the isolated human Ebola (hEbola) viruses denoted as Bundibugyo (EboBun) deposited with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (“CDC”; Atlanta, Ga., United States of America) on Nov. 26, 2007 and accorded an accession number 200706291."

The act of isolating the virus is enough to have changed it from its natural state.

Can you patent a disease? (http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/can-you-patent-a-disease-1.1355379)


In the case of a gene, modifying its information or removing it from its chromosome typically would be enough to warrant a patent, says Schwartz, because the snippet of chromosome would not appear in nature by itself.

This is a key point in the case of the novel coronavirus. To pinpoint it, Erasmus likely used what is called "deep sequencing," says Earl Brown, executive director of the Emerging Pathogens Research Centre at the University of Ottawa

In this process, the infected sample would be run against databases of known genes and viruses to determine its genetic composition. Brown says the researchers would then typically remove the sequence from its chromosome and copy it in order to conduct further tests.

The rationale for patenting a genetic sequence such as the novel coronavirus is to be able to develop products, such as diagnostic tests or a vaccine, that could be marketed and sold, says Bernard Dickens, professor emeritus of Health Law and Policy at the University of Toronto.

This is similar to the information in the CDC "EboBun" patents. Ebola Bundibugyo was discovered in 2008. It is significantly genetically different (which makes it novel) than the previous 4 known strains. The CDC had to perform significant genetic sequencing to identify that it was ebola . The CDC is also the source of record for the specific DNA sequence which is available "to approved facilities for thirty years from the date of deposit, and for the lifetime of the patent issuing from, or claiming priority to this application."

Bundibugyo - New Species Of Ebola Virus Discovered (http://www.science20.com/news_releases/bundibugyo_new_species_ebola_virus_discovered)

The new virus is genetically distinct from all other known Ebola virus species, differing by more than 30% at the genetic level. More traditional ELISA-based assays detected the new virus; however, the unique nature of this virus created initial challenges for traditional Ebola virus molecular diagnostic assays and genome sequencing approaches. To determine the genetic signature of this new Ebola virus species, scientists used a recently developed random-primed pyro-sequencing approach, quickly determining the genetic sequence of over 70% of the virus genome.

Knowledge of this sequence then allowed for the rapid development of a sensitive molecular detection assay which was deployed to the field as part of the outbreak response. This draft sequence also allowed for easy completion of the whole genome sequence using a traditional primer walking approach and prompt confirmation that this virus represented a new Ebola virus species. Current worldwide efforts to design effective diagnostics, antivirals and vaccines will need to take into account the distinct nature of this new member of the Ebola virus genus.

[Great-Kazoo]

Just keep in mind, you can't patent a naturally occurring virus- so if they patent it, they've modified it...


.


Modifying/ altering high transmission diseases.

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608054454734028920&pid=15.1&P=0

[Dave_L]

Remember those FEMA "camps" that we're being discussed by conspiracy theorists. Maybe this is why...

Need somewhere to put all those infected.

[tinhat]

[PugnacAutMortem]

You know, I didn't check this thread for straight days and do you know what I realized? I didn't think about it once, and I was happy. I'm out, you guys have fun with your tinfoil hats and your bunkers. I won't do it anymore.

[Dave_L]

You know, I didn't check this thread for straight days and do you know what I realized? I didn't think about it once, and I was happy. I'm out, you guys have fun with your tinfoil hats and your bunkers. I won't do it anymore.

Ah yes, ignorance. Join the masses. Hey, Clooney got married.

[davsel]

Ah yes, ignorance. Join the masses. Hey, Clooney got married.
[ROFL1]

[RblDiver]

https://vine.co/v/OmV7QWtJXHK

(Vine vids don't show up automatically like Youtube, too bad)

[HoneyBadger]

You know, I didn't check this thread for straight days and do you know what I realized? I didn't think about it once, and I was happy. I'm out, you guys have fun with your tinfoil hats and your bunkers. I won't do it anymore.
lol

Ignorance is bliss. A slow, painful, blissful death.

[ChunkyMonkey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NTSU9w6uNc#t=59

"We're screwed!" [dig]

[roberth]

CDC spokesliar says "we can control it". [LOL][fail]

They can no more control ebola than they can control government spending.

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2014/10/07/cdc-planning-new-travel-related-measures-to-fight-ebola/


“We’re not today providing the steps that we plan to take, but I can assure you that we will be taking additional steps, and we will be making those public in the coming days, once we can work out the details,” he said.

Why did he say this? Why not wait until there is a plan in place and then announce?

What we should be doing is pulling ALL of our people out of the affected areas in Africa and let ebola burn out over time.

[HoneyBadger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NTSU9w6uNc#t=59

"We're screwed!" [dig]
Some of the linked videos that follow yours are pretty wild.

That was kind of funny though. But kind of not.

[roberth]

Ebola, electronic medical records, and Epic Systems (http://michellemalkin.com/2014/10/07/ebola-electronic-medical-records-and-epic-systems/)

A Dallas hospital’s bizarre bungle of the first U.S. case of Ebola leaves me wondering: Is someone covering up for a crony billionaire Obama donor and her controversy-plagued, taxpayer-subsidized electronic medical records company?

http://michellemalkin.com/

[BushMasterBoy]

Quote, "If the D.C. test comes back positive, we're screwed". Did I hear that correctly? Ebola suspected in Washington DC ? I guess it is worst than I suspected. I want to thank the posters for bringing this to my attention.

[cmailliard]

Ebola, electronic medical records, and Epic Systems (http://michellemalkin.com/2014/10/07/ebola-electronic-medical-records-and-epic-systems/)




http://michellemalkin.com/

This was the screw up in Dallas. EMR systems show specific information to people who need to see it. In Dallas the information did not get shared with everyone who needed the information. I was in a meeting yesterday at one of our hospitals and this was brought up with how to fix it. It has nothing to do with Obamacare, EMR's have been in use for years, they are now required under Obamacare (they used to be optional). The big problem with EMR's is lack of actually communicating, just like Facebook, Twitter have done to masses around the world, EMR's have done the same thing in hospitals. People still need to communicate i.e. talk to each other. This is a people problem not a technology problem.

[cmailliard]

One more thing for everyone thinking they know what hell they are talking about. DO NOT BUY YOUR N95 RESPIRATOR AT HOME DEPOT OR LOWES.

Flitration is only part of the equation on N95's, when dealing with aerosolized droplets (key word is droplet) your respirator must be fluid resistant. Again an N95 is used when doing patient care procedures or in close proximity to aerosol generation. The general construction N95's are not fluid resistant. You need to look for something called ASTM F2100. For Ebola (again when performing aerosol generating procedures) you need ASTM F2100 Level 3 (160mm Hg) or higher for proper protection. 3M 1860 and 1870 N95 Respirators meet this standard. Most medical N95's meet this standard, construction ones do not. Know the problem and know the solution.

I don't want to sound like a dick here, but there is some pretty shitty information out there. One website says a full face respirator is required, BULLSHIT. The site they pulled that information from says a Respirator is required. The problem is many dumbfucks think a respirator is a gas mask or half mask. An N95 IS a Respirator, this is what the source website was saying, an N95 is needed in late stages of Ebola, a full face respirator with a P100 filter is not. One site said you needed an Organic Vapor cartridge for Ebola.

[mcantar18c]

Two infected, two dead in Spain.

To those in the know, is a standard issue M40 gas mask sufficient?

[RblDiver]

NBC News: Dallas Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan has died

https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/519868343952900096

[cmailliard]

Two infected, two dead in Spain.

To those in the know, is a standard issue M40 gas mask sufficient?

Beyond sufficient. The highest level of protection needed is a fluid resistant N95 Respirator. Your M40 with a fluid resistant P100 filter will be more than necessary.

[mcantar18c]

Well, at least my family is covered on that side of things. I don't know as much about our NBC (CBRN now I guess) gear as I should.

[cmailliard]

Look at your canisters. If they say CBRN or CAP1 or list a bunch of Capitalized Letters OV, CL, FM, AM, P100, etc. then you should be ok.

What you need is the P100, all CBRN Canisters have a P100 filter in them.

[HoneyBadger]

Question related to N-95 masks: This mask does not specifically say that it is "fluid resistant"... but is it?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002YKBV2/ref=pe_385040_30332200_TE_item_image
Description reads: (underlining is my emphasis)


Government-Approved Respirator

This respirator is government approved by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) as an N95 class respirator and is designed for workplace, regulated uses and applications. NIOSH certification means the respirator has passed stringent government performance standards including filtration efficiency testing and provides at least 95% filtration efficiency solid and liquid particles that do not contain oil.

Uses

Use this respirator for particles such as those from grinding, sweeping, sawing, bagging or processing minerals, coal, iron ore, flour, metal, wood, pollen, and certain other substances. And for liquid or non-oil based particles from sprays that do not also emit oil aerosols or vapors.

[hollohas]

Here is a very good paper on ebola and respirators for health care workers. These two doctors offer up an argument on why current recommendations might not be the best. This paper also includes some good information on what is known about the biological decay rates of the virus. They include LOTS of links to research papers if you are interested in reading up on the subject.

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-workers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola


...
Healthcare workers have experienced very high rates of morbidity and mortality in the past and current Ebola virus outbreaks. A facemask, or surgical mask, offers no or very minimal protection from infectious aerosol particles. As our examples illustrate, for a risk group 4 organism like Ebola, the minimum level of protection should be an N95 filtering facepiece respirator.
This type of respirator, however, would only be appropriate only when the likelihood of aerosol exposure is very low. For healthcare workers caring for many patients in an epidemic situation, this type of respirator may not provide an adequate level of protection.
For a risk group 4 organism, any activity that has the potential for aerosolizing liquid body fluids, such as medical or disinfection procedures, should be avoided, if possible. Our risk assessment indicates that a PAPR with a full facepiece (APF = 50) or a hood or helmet (APF = 25) would be a better choice for patient care during epidemic conditions.
We recognize that PAPRs present some logistical and infection-control problems. Batteries require frequent charging (which requires a reliable source of electricity), and the entire ensemble requires careful handling and disinfection between uses. A PAPR is also more expensive to buy and maintain than other types of respirators.
On the other hand, a PAPR with a loose-fitting facepiece (hood or helmet) does not require fit testing.
...

[68Charger]

One more thing for everyone thinking they know what hell they are talking about. DO NOT BUY YOUR N95 RESPIRATOR AT HOME DEPOT OR LOWES.

Flitration is only part of the equation on N95's, when dealing with aerosolized droplets (key word is droplet) your respirator must be fluid resistant. Again an N95 is used when doing patient care procedures or in close proximity to aerosol generation. The general construction N95's are not fluid resistant. You need to look for something called ASTM F2100. For Ebola (again when performing aerosol generating procedures) you need ASTM F2100 Level 3 (160mm Hg) or higher for proper protection. 3M 1860 and 1870 N95 Respirators meet this standard. Most medical N95's meet this standard, construction ones do not. Know the problem and know the solution.

I don't want to sound like a dick here, but there is some pretty shitty information out there. One website says a full face respirator is required, BULLSHIT. The site they pulled that information from says a Respirator is required. The problem is many dumbfucks think a respirator is a gas mask or half mask. An N95 IS a Respirator, this is what the source website was saying, an N95 is needed in late stages of Ebola, a full face respirator with a P100 filter is not. One site said you needed an Organic Vapor cartridge for Ebola.

This is good info- It's all a risk mitigation with cost/benefit... will a construction N95 mask help, is it better than nothing? Sure, but it may perform only 33% on exposure as compared to a ASTM F2100 L3 mask.. but still much better than nothing- depending on how much exposure you have. ANY N95/N100 will leave you open to exposure to eyes from direct fluid contact (a sneeze, aerosolized fluids, etc) thru tear ducts, or from cuts. A full-face respirator (and pressurized suits) is what they use when working with Ebola in the lab- so that is where people infer that information from. Even an N95 still allows up to 5% of air to bypass filtration... where an N100 allows less than 1%.

My point is if you're wearing the best N95/N100 you can find and somebody vomits all over your face, you're going to be infected- but is that a realistic scenario you need to defend against?

And another issue would be protocol- how long do you wear one N95 mask, how do you remove it, dispose of it. Since Ebola can survive for hours under the right conditions you could have live virus on your N95, take it off with your bare hands and sit down to a meal and you're infected. Any of this protection is worthless without following protocol.

[roberth]

This was the screw up in Dallas. EMR systems show specific information to people who need to see it. In Dallas the information did not get shared with everyone who needed the information. I was in a meeting yesterday at one of our hospitals and this was brought up with how to fix it. It has nothing to do with Obamacare, EMR's have been in use for years, they are now required under Obamacare (they used to be optional). The big problem with EMR's is lack of actually communicating, just like Facebook, Twitter have done to masses around the world, EMR's have done the same thing in hospitals. People still need to communicate i.e. talk to each other. This is a people problem not a technology problem.

Thank you.

[sellersm]

QUESTION: When you talk about P100 filters, you mean these? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KYX8JBU/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1GIBKMH0YC48T

[cmailliard]

Question related to N-95 masks: This mask does not specifically say that it is "fluid resistant"... but is it?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002YKBV2/ref=pe_385040_30332200_TE_item_image
Description reads: (underlining is my emphasis)

I would not trust it.

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Defense-US/Defense/Products/~/3M-Particulate-Respirator-8511-N95-80-Case?N=8702286+4294936889&rt=d

[cmailliard]

QUESTION: When you talk about P100 filters, you mean these? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KYX8JBU/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1GIBKMH0YC48T

Yes, but make sure it will fit your respirator. 3M, Scott, etc. all have different ways of connecting to the face piece. If you have a 40mm NATO Thread, any 40mm NATO filter or canister will work.

[HoneyBadger]

I would not trust it.

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Defense-US/Defense/Products/~/3M-Particulate-Respirator-8511-N95-80-Case?N=8702286+4294936889&rt=d
From the link above:

Can also be used to help reduce inhalation of certain airborne biological particles like mold, Bacillus anthracis, Mycobacterium tuberculosis, etc. Example applications include emergency or pandemic preparedness planning, stockpiling, etc.


LOL! Stockpiling is a recommended "application"? It definitely is not clear... Maybe that ambiguity is a part of their marketing tactics? Thanks for all your input.

[cmailliard]

This is good info- It's all a risk mitigation with cost/benefit... will a construction N95 mask help, is it better than nothing? Sure, but it may perform only 33% on exposure as compared to a ASTM F2100 L3 mask.. but still much better than nothing- depending on how much exposure you have. ANY N95/N100 will leave you open to exposure to eyes from direct fluid contact (a sneeze, aerosolized fluids, etc) thru tear ducts, or from cuts. A full-face respirator (and pressurized suits) is what they use when working with Ebola in the lab- so that is where people infer that information from. Even an N95 still allows up to 5% of air to bypass filtration... where an N100 allows less than 1%.

My point is if you're wearing the best N95/N100 you can find and somebody vomits all over your face, you're going to be infected- but is that a realistic scenario you need to defend against?

And another issue would be protocol- how long do you wear one N95 mask, how do you remove it, dispose of it. Since Ebola can survive for hours under the right conditions you could have live virus on your N95, take it off with your bare hands and sit down to a meal and you're infected. Any of this protection is worthless without following protocol.

Yes it will help, but again an N-95 is only needed for aerosol generating procedures or if you are right in the face of a patient. Yes working in a lab you wear much different PPE because you are working with the fluids that carry the virus. If someone vomits all over your face, you are probably screwed no matter what, yes.

Equipment must be dedicated or disposable so an N-95 is disposable. Proper doffing requires that you take your gloves off first so when doffing your respirator you must make sure to not touch the outer surface of the respirator, it is contaminated. You remove it by slowing pull the straps over your head in a very slow controlled manner. It is then disposed of. Part of fit testing requires a briefing to those being fit tested to demonstrate the proper donning and doffing procedures for the make and model of respirator they are wearing.

Hope this helps

[sellersm]

Yes, but make sure it will fit your respirator. 3M, Scott, etc. all have different ways of connecting to the face piece. If you have a 40mm NATO Thread, any 40mm NATO filter or canister will work.

Thanks! I do have 3M respirators...

Lots of good info here, keep it coming!

[cmailliard]

From the link above:


LOL! Stockpiling is a recommended "application"? It definitely is not clear... Maybe that ambiguity is a part of their marketing tactics? Thanks for all your input.

Yeah I saw, that and had to laugh. I am basing pretty much everything I say on past experience of dealing with H1N1 in 2009. I trust only a few respirators because I understand them extremely well and have fit tested thousands of people into them. In the order of what I would wear for an N95:

3M 1870
3M 1860
Moldex 1500, 2200, or 3200
Kimberly Clark PFR95

I probably have data on how many passed and failed fit testing for each model listed.

[HoneyBadger]

Awesome. Thanks again for the good info!

I recently had to re-do a fit test for the M50 because I lost my old paperwork. Fun stuff!

[cmailliard]

HERE (https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3KN-n6P5zKXRzc3TE1Od0d1R2c&usp=sharing) is a PDF of a training I do for healthcare. It is about Respiratory Protection, Fit Testing, etc. It is on Google and should be setup so anyone can access it.

Edit - There is a lot more in this folder now.

[Great-Kazoo]

And another issue would be protocol- how long do you wear one N95 mask, how do you remove it, dispose of it. Since Ebola can survive for hours under the right conditions you could have live virus on your N95, take it off with your bare hands and sit down to a meal and you're infected. Any of this protection is worthless without following protocol.

I've worn a N95 for 4 hours during inter agency training. I may still have the protocols / paperwork for proper PPE donning & doffing. Once i locate it i'll try and post.

[RblDiver]

New patient exhibiting symptoms of Ebola.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/?lead=frisco-patient-exhibiting-ebola-symptoms (http://dfw.cbslocal.com/?lead=frisco-patient-exhibiting-ebola-symptoms)

[cmailliard]

HERE (https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3KN-n6P5zKXRzc3TE1Od0d1R2c&usp=sharing) is another Google Folder with Respirator specific information it. Product Data Sheets, Donning, Doffing, Fit Check, etc. I also put OSHA 1910.134 and ANSI Z.88 standards in here as well. I will continue to try and add to this folder as I can.

I also put together a list of important info for our hospitals as I start doing training with some of them.

General Information


Lipid enveloped virus in the Filoviridae family (Marburg and Lassa are in this family as well)

Damages the vascular system and leads to bleeding under the skin, in internal organs and/or from body orifices

There is a diagnostic test to confirm EVD in patients

No FDA Approved treatment (ZMAPP Antibody is still experimental)

Supportive care for hydration, electrolyte balancing and oxygen are treatment options

No vaccine or preventative treatment

Mortality is between 50% - 90%


Transmission


EVD is Infectious and Contagious

Person to Person transmission requires very close personal contact with infected individual, their body fluids during late stages of infection or after their death

Spread of the virus can occur through contact with body fluids on just about any surface

Bodies can remain contagious for up to 60 days

Blood, Breast Milk, Saliva, Semen, Stool, Sweat, Urine, Vomit can contain EVD

Incubation period is 2-21 days (4-9 is most common)

Not contagious until symptoms appear

EVD is very strong outside the body, surviving up to 6 days (in a lab, real world may be less)

Intact skin is a barrier

1 to 10 aerosolized infective viruses can cause infection in humans

Preventing spread requires preventing contact


Personal Protection


Immediate Isolation or suspected and confirmed cases

Standard, Contact and Droplet Precautions are required for patient care

Mattress and pillow must be fluid resistant

All devices must be disposable or dedicated

For aerosol generating procedures use an Fluid Resistant N95 Respirator

Eye protection must be worn

Gowns, Coveralls, Suits must be fluid impervious

Powder Free, Nitrile Gloves - Double Glove

Practice good Doffing Techniques when removing PPE

Wash hands with soap and water after removing PPE

Use hand sanitizer with 70% - 90% alcohol

Surface disinfection use Bleach at a 1:10 solution

[hollohas]

New patient exhibiting symptoms of Ebola.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/?lead=frisco-patient-exhibiting-ebola-symptoms (http://dfw.cbslocal.com/?lead=frisco-patient-exhibiting-ebola-symptoms)
I am reading that he is a Sheriff Deputy who had gone into patient zero's apartment...one of the LEO'S I mentioned earlier in this thread that had gone in without PPE.



NBC5 Dallas reporting 4 LEO'S and health worker went into apartment on Wednesday without PPE. They have now been told to seal their uniforms in bags and go home. Two Police cars have been sealed off as well.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/08/frisco-patient-exhibiting-ebola-symptoms/


The Frisco patient has been identified as a Dallas County deputy Michael Monnig, who was not one of the 48 people being monitored by federal, state and local health officials because he never had direct contact with the patient. Monnig did enter the apartment where Duncan stayed after Duncan had been admitted to the hospital.

[Lurch]

I work at a large health facility and I'm not really convinced they have any plan in place if this happens here.

[Gman]

I work at a large health facility and I'm not really convinced they have any plan in place if this happens here.
The government plan is lots and lots of denial.

[Bailey Guns]

I work at a large health facility and I'm not really convinced they have any plan in place if this happens here.

Yeah...that's what Mrs BG says of her hospital. They have a couple of notices on the bulletin board. I'm not normally paranoid but this shit could get ugly.

[HoneyBadger]

but this shit could get ugly.
I think when people realize that they could get sick and die without knowing what hit them, they will panic hardcore. I think people WITH ebola might even be a bigger threat because they may think that they have nothing to lose.

[rbeau30]

I think when people realize that they could get sick and die without knowing what hit them, they will panic hardcore. I think people WITH ebola might even be a bigger threat because they may think that they have nothing to lose.


And if they are anything like the guy-that-just-died's relatives and complain, about or disregard quarantine. We are fucked.

[hollohas]

If even a relatively small number of people get sick (I'm talking like a few hundred to a thousand), I would think that would start to quickly overwhelm the system. How many infected people can the healthcare system in a metro area isolate while still maintaining the highest level of protective procedures? How about a rural area? I would think that any metro area that saw even a relatively small outbreak would start to have hospital staffing problems as well.

The other thing I could see happening would be infected people not voluntarily going to the hospital for fear that their families would be kicked out of their homes, losing their jobs and experiencing any other number of problems that could come with getting "ebola" stamped on your head. I truly could see some people trying to keep a potential infection quiet.

[hollohas]

And if they are anything like the guy-that-just-died's relatives and complain, about or disregard quarantine. We are fucked.
Those people complained because they were told not to leave the house but no one could tell them how they were supposed to get groceries. (Because, aparently like most people, they didn't have more than a few days worth). It was later in the week after the court ordered quarantine that the donated food showed up. Providing supplies to quarantined families is just another thing the emergency response plan seems to have overlooked...

What happens when a few hundred families with no more than 2 days food are told they can't leave the house for 21 days? Think the Red Cross will get to all of them before a few decide they can't wait for food and diapers anymore and break quarantine?

[rbeau30]

Unfortunately i have no sympathy for these entitled folks who don't plan.

"Walmart to go" delivers groceries.
Amazon delivers groceries.
Many grocery chains deliver groceries.

I think the world should be culled of these helpless burdens on society.

[theGinsue]

I work at a large health facility and I'm not really convinced they have any plan in place if this happens here.


I think when people realize that they could get sick and die without knowing what hit them, they will panic hardcore. I think people WITH ebola might even be a bigger threat because they may think that they have nothing to lose.
Or maybe, they'll continue on with business as usual while they can because everyone keeps telling them how hard ebola is to catch so they must be dealing with a common cold.


And if they are anything like the guy-that-just-died's relatives and complain, about or disregard quarantine. We are fucked.

In my opinion, we were f'kd before ebola showed up within our borders.

Not convinced the .gov has a plan? Your intuition serves you well. As Gman said, the plan is lots & lots of denial.

Call me whatever you like; tin-foil hat wearer, conspiracy theorist, Eeyore, whatever.

Here's how I see this situation:
The .gov and major medical institutions/experts are doing everyone a disservice by playing down the possibility of the spread of this disease and by citing the difficulty of becoming infected. The concern is for a panic, and while that possibility exists, the opposite is also true to getting people more concerned about this dangerous disease. If people stop acting like there's absolutely no possible way they can become infected, we would have far better chances at controlling the possible spread of this disease.

You've got a guy who sat in a taxi cab next to a highly infectious ebola patient who then gets on a plane and travels to another part of the world. Our usually so over-protective .gov (if it saves just one child) refuses to put emergency travel restrictions, or at least mandatory quarantine, into place for those coming here from that region. We wouldn't want to deal with the economic impact of those actions. (Just what is the economic impact to tens of thousands of highly infectious DEAD?)

So now this guy is here and he surely knows his risk for ebola is through the roof. He goes to the hospital and fails to come right out and tell them he swam in the vomit & mucous of someone who just died from ebola. He put anyone he came into contact with at risk.

He goes home and is having a practical family reunion while knowing his risk factor. He fails to make the point known when he called for an ambulance that he is likely suffering from ebola - putting those first responders at risk.

Now, you've got LEO's and others going into the residence of a known ebola patient without proper PPE. He wasn't suffering from a peanut allergy. Wear PPE!


“We were told by federal officials, county officials that you would have to come in direct contact with Duncan or direct contact with bodily fluids, and he did not,” said Monnig’s son, Logan, about the possibility of his dad contracting Ebola. Logan said it’s a very scary time for his family, but they do not expect that his dad will test positive for the virus.

Well, of course they were told by .gov officials that there was no risk, it's straight out of the .gov playbook. If they really don't expect that he'll test positive then why is it such a "scary time"? Are they starting to get a clue?


Monning was not one of the 48 people being monitored by federal, state and local health officials because he never had direct contact with the patient. Monnig did enter the apartment where Duncan had stayed before being admitted to the hospital.
Wait! What?
He entered the known ebola patients apartment without PPE and he wasn't being monitored? To be totally risk free, in his time inside the apartment he must not have touched ANYTHING (to include walls, etc.). What are the chances of that?


“He was in the apartment for 30 minutes, which we were told is no chance to contact the virus,” said Logan.
Everyone knows he'd have to be in that environment for a minimum of 35 minutes before there was a "chance to contact the virus". Right? Even 3 seconds could have presented the "chance to contact the virus"

If he was exposed to an environment which had recently been occupied by an ebola patient there is definitely a chance, even if it is minuscule, it does exist.


The clinic and the City of Frisco initially reported that Monnig was “exhibiting signs and symptoms of Ebola.”
Well, golly, it looks like people might now be thinking that they were wrong about the whole "...there is no chance" bullshit.


First responders transported Monnig to the hospital from the Care Now, located at 301 W. Main Street in Frisco. When Monnig arrived at the clinic, he told workers he felt nauseous and recently had contact with Duncan’s family.

HOLY MARY, MOTHER OF GOD! He let first responders handle him and waited until he got to the clinic to say something about his contact with the now dead ebola patient? What, in the name of all that is right & decent, could have possibly stopped him from mentioning it when calling for the first responders so they could take adequate precautions and so that the clinic could do the same, thus minimizing the risk of exposure to others? I mean really. Was there something more pressing on his mind? Perhaps his fantasy football league is suffering some setbacks. Yeah, that'd keep me from forewarning others that a risk exists....

Oh wait. That's right, he only gave it a secondary thought after getting to the clinic because, after all, THERE IS NO RISK. F'king silly me.

When you're dealing with such a highly contagious, high morbidity/mortality rate issue, you HAVE GOT to error on the side of extreme caution to eliminate the spread. Even many of us dumb hick Coloradians/Rocky Mtn. Hillbillies are preparing for a risk that is so far removed from us as to not be a legitimate concern - today. You'd think those in the Ebola Ground Zero for the U.S. would wise up too.

ETA: Maybe this guy just has a flu bug after all, but the fact that folks are concerned (his family is now "really scared") shows that some finally realize that the risk does exist!

All of the above thoughts don't even address the possibility of the virus mutating which does happen. What happens if it changes to where it can be transmitter through the air? It can happen!

Jeff Goldblum says it perfectly in this memorable movie clip:
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[rbeau30]

Well said Ginsue.

I am seeing this type of "ohh ebola isn't going to be a problem" mentality all around me! People I am around all day truly do not believe that this is a problem. Everyone is in direct contact with bodily fluids old or new almost at every time of the day. Skin cells are floating around all the time. We sweat 24/7 that has to go somewhere and onto something.

My wife was wiping down her cubicle the other day, and folks seriously told her (after scoffing at her) that they don't have germs.

[TFOGGER]

Let's look at this as a numbers issue: If just 1% of the US population becomes infected with Ebola, that's 3.5 MILLION cases. If the mortality rate is a measly 30%(rather than the 70 to 90% commonly cited, due to our better infrastructure), that's still over 1 million dead. It makes the 9/11 terrorist attacks look like a rounding error. The question is not IF, but when. IMHO, anyone that has been to West Africa in the last 90 days needs to serve out a 21 day quarantine before being allowed to board a US bound flight. Fer chrissakes, control the damn borders and ports. ICE is so damn concerned with preventing counterfeit handbags from coming into the country that they've lost sight of the mission, namely domestic security.

/rant

[Aloha_Shooter]

I figured all the epidemic movies were just so much Hollywood hype and a lot of the bulletin board chatter was tin-foil hat scaremongering but I have to admit the more recent cases have given me pause for thought. Seems like now would be a good time to visit Iceland or some other place West Africans tend to not care for ...

[DenverGP]

I think this is going to be the big problem as the ebola outbreak continues:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2785288/It-s-literally-Katie-bar-door-Marine-Corps-general-warns-mass-migration-US-Ebola-epidemic-hits-Central-America.html

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/10/08/SOUTHCOM-on-Ebola-Large-Percentage-Of-Illegals-Caught-Trying-to-Cross-Southwest-Border-From-West-Africa

[Special Ed]

Let's look at this as a numbers issue: If just 1% of the US population becomes infected with Ebola, that's 3.5 MILLION cases. If the mortality rate is a measly 30%(rather than the 70 to 90% commonly cited, due to our better infrastructure), that's still over 1 million dead. It makes the 9/11 terrorist attacks look like a rounding error. The question is not IF, but when. IMHO, anyone that has been to West Africa in the last 90 days needs to serve out a 21 day quarantine before being allowed to board a US bound flight. Fer chrissakes, control the damn borders and ports. ICE is so damn concerned with preventing counterfeit handbags from coming into the country that they've lost sight of the mission, namely domestic security.

/rant

EXACTLY! You'd think that this would have been the first friggin' thing the idiots in charge would've done. It's not cruel or unusual punishment. It's the only smart thing to do in cases like this. It would have stopped Ebola Man from bringing that crap into this country. Yeah, some people who aren't sick would be inconvenienced a bit. But the consequences of failing to do this can be much worse than having your homecoming delayed by a few weeks.

[Gman]

I still don't grasp the logic of an American becoming infected in Africa and the response being to bring them back home. Keep it over there and treat it over there. It's more difficult to spread in the American population if it isn't actively being imported. [dammit]

[sellersm]

It's easier to spread in the American population if it is actively being imported.

FIFY. Like it or not, this is their goal... Look at their actions and tell me their goal is something different.

[davsel]

^ Yup

[hollohas]

Even if an outbreak on US soil was way smaller than 1% it'd be a major problem. Let's say 1000 people got infected in Denver. Think there's room for 1000 people to be isolated in area hospitals? Are there enough qualified nurses and doctors to care for each of them? What about the contacts of those thousand people that need to be tracked? Maybe each infected person only had contact with 20 people, less than Dallas ebola guy. That's 20,000 secondary people that need to be tracked, tested daily and forced into quarantine. Are there enough police to keep that many people locked in their homes? Will they all have 21 days worth of supplies or will they need to be helped?

What about the cost. Dallas ebola guy's medical costs are being reported to be in excess of $500k. His family isn't going to pay that. So who would pay the medical bills if 1000 people got sick at $500k a pop. What's that, $500 million? The cleanup of his apartment was over $100k aparently. Multiply that by our example number of 1000.

Now run those numbers if that many people get infected in a dozen cities. Two dozen? That's still not very many people. 24,000. A minor number of sick compared to some of the flu's and plagues from history. 24,000... $500k each just for medical...$12 billion? Think Cigna will cover that?

Add cleanup, humanitarian aid, logistical costs, LE costs, etc, etc, etc.

I wonder what the magic number is that would overload the system...how many infected until it breaks the camel's back? Obviously it would be different for each city, but how many infected could a city like Denver handle until it just couldn't treat any more? A city might be able to keep an outbreak somewhat under control, with only slow increases in the number of sick...but once a city reachesd it's limit of how many people it could treat, the number of infected would skyrocket quickly.

I agree with those here...we should have been taking EVERY step possible to make sure not a single infected person made it to our shores. The only way to make sure would be to shut-her-down. Lock the door. Instead we are basically inviting them here. We advertised that we healed 4 doctors who were infected. Everyone in Africa must be thinking, "dang, those Americans have amazing health care. If I get infected, I'm going there." And you know what? I'd bet good money that's exactly what Dallas ebola guy did. Didn't work out too well for him and it had the potential to really screw us. How long until the next guy shows up?

[68Charger]

Even if an outbreak on US soil was way smaller than 1% it'd be a major problem. Let's say 1000 people got infected in Denver. Think there's room for 1000 people to be isolated in area hospitals? Are there enough qualified nurses and doctors to care for each of them? What about the contacts of those thousand people that need to be tracked? Maybe each infected person only had contact with 20 people, less than Dallas ebola guy. That's 20,000 secondary people that need to be tracked, tested daily and forced into quarantine. Are there enough police to keep that many people locked in their homes? Will they all have 21 days worth of supplies or will they need to be helped?

What about the cost. Dallas ebola guy's medical costs are being reported to be in excess of $500k. His family isn't going to pay that. So who would pay the medical bills if 1000 people got sick at $500k a pop. What's that, $500 million? The cleanup of his apartment was over $100k aparently. Multiply that by our example number of 1000.

Now run those numbers if that many people get infected in a dozen cities. Two dozen? That's still not very many people. 24,000. A minor number of sick compared to some of the flu's and plagues from history. 24,000... $500k each just for medical...$12 billion? Think Cigna will cover that?

Add cleanup, humanitarian aid, logistical costs, LE costs, etc, etc, etc.

I wonder what the magic number is that would overload the system...how many infected until it breaks the camel's back? Obviously it would be different for each city, but how many infected could a city like Denver handle until it just couldn't treat any more? A city might be able to keep an outbreak somewhat under control, with only slow increases in the number of sick...but once a city reachesd it's limit of how many people it could treat, the number of infected would skyrocket quickly.

I agree with those here...we should have been taking EVERY step possible to make sure not a single infected person made it to our shores. The only way to make sure would be to shut-her-down. Lock the door. Instead we are basically inviting them here. We advertised that we healed 4 doctors who were infected. Everyone in Africa must be thinking, "dang, those Americans have amazing health care. If I get infected, I'm going there." And you know what? I'd bet good money that's exactly what Dallas ebola guy did. Didn't work out too well for him and it had the potential to really screw us. How long until the next guy shows up?

Well, at least someone's making money? it keeps people gainfully employed... but the problem is- where does the money come from?

[HoneyBadger]

Well, at least someone's making money? it keeps people gainfully employed... but the problem is- where does the money come from?
The federal reserve.