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Big John
11-19-2014, 17:38
Now that I have your attention...
Where "the" place to go for a suppressor?
I've tried calling Silent Precision, left a couple messages and got no return. He's got great pricing and great feedback here. But, nothing has been updated on him here in several months so I'm wondering if anyone knows if he's still in business.
I'd prefer to stay local, but I'll surely take advice from those who have bought out of state. Any help or points in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
To Bear Arms is a member here, he is in Thornton IIRC.
Start in the NFA subforum.
Great question. Subscribing to follow responses.
To piggyback on Big John's question if I may, and John please call me out if this is an unwelcomed hijacking... I'll be glad to delete it.
In addition to where, what do folks feel is the smartest suppressor caliber to buy first? I'd like to eventually suppress .45, 9mm, .22lr and .223/5.56... are 147gr 9mm loads through a .45 suppressor at all dampened?
Start in the NFA subforum.
I will look there also. thanks
Big John
11-19-2014, 18:20
Start in the NFA subforum.BTDT. I got to page three and didn't find what I was looking for.
Great question. Subscribing to follow responses.
To piggyback on Big John's question if I may, and John please call me out if this is an unwelcomed hijacking... I'll be glad to delete it.
In addition to where, what do folks feel is the smartest suppressor caliber to buy first? I'd like to eventually suppress .45, 9mm, .22lr and .223/5.56... are 147gr 9mm loads through a .45 suppressor at all dampened?No problemo. The more info the better!
Trigger time gun club in Longmont are a good bunch of guys also. Ask for Nate, he's good people
XC700116
11-19-2014, 19:05
Sawin: I'd look into an Octane 45 from Silencerco, very versatile can.
Big John, For where to go, one of the first things that will help is what kind of can you're looking for, Precision rifle, SBR, Pistol, etc, can help some of us to point you in the right direction of what retailers can help you best.
If you can only deal with one... Most of those are pistol so .45 will take care of the .45 and 9mm (not 100% on the 22LR but I would think there is an adaptor out there) but will not help on .223/5.56 since that is a rifle round. If you can deal with two, get a 30 cal to handle the .223/5.56 and take care of any future 'upgrades'. If three... Get the 22LR so you don't have to clean the .45 as much. This will mean that you will be buying adaptors to make things fit, meaning more money.
Great question. Subscribing to follow responses.
To piggyback on Big John's question if I may, and John please call me out if this is an unwelcomed hijacking... I'll be glad to delete it.
In addition to where, what do folks feel is the smartest suppressor caliber to buy first? I'd like to eventually suppress .45, 9mm, .22lr and .223/5.56... are 147gr 9mm loads through a .45 suppressor at all dampened?
fullmann
11-19-2014, 20:41
Great question. Subscribing to follow responses.
To piggyback on Big John's question if I may, and John please call me out if this is an unwelcomed hijacking... I'll be glad to delete it.
In addition to where, what do folks feel is the smartest suppressor caliber to buy first? I'd like to eventually suppress .45, 9mm, .22lr and .223/5.56... are 147gr 9mm loads through a .45 suppressor at all dampened?
If I was to start over... I'd get a take apart 22, a 45 can for the pistols/subguns and a good 30cal can.
That'll cover pretty much anything you'd want to shoot. The difference between the dedicated cans and something like a 9mm out of a 45 can is negligible.
Plus, all your cans will multiply anyway, you'll have one in every caliber....
Give SIlent Precision another shot. Chris is a good dude, I've worked with him a lot.
There are several of us on the board who are at-home FFLs who handle suppressors. Drawback for most of us would be we usually don't carry a lot of inventory if you're a touchy kind of guy, but it might be a benefit to use a home-based guy if you know one of us, or live nearby, etc. But we're often better looking, and you'd get the same benefits as you would using a "normal" FFL over the big shops.
As for up North, I haven't been to Jensens in a long time, but I would drop in and check in on Bear Arms and Trigger Time for sure.
If you're buying online, there is silencershop and then everybody else. Doesn't mean they're the best, but they have a great online site.
Now as for cans... of course everybody is different, but unless you have specific goals, I'd do this:
1) Get a 22lr can. Take-apart doesn't matter for most cans, but it does matter for 22lr so you can clean it. High-end cans like the Sparrow are amazing, but even a cheapo 22lr can will be super fun and a lot of people will never notice the difference. These are too cheap to wait. Get one on right away. Depending on what gun you have, you may need to thread it or get an adapter or something. Seriously, don't think about it too hard, just get it done. 22lr cans are quieter than an air gun.
2) Get a can for your AR15. 50/50 option here on whether you should get a 308 can that can do dual duty or not. If you have or will get a 308 ar-10, then probably get a 308 can that you can shoot both through. Otherwise .223 is a good choice. There's a lot of options for mounting here, but you want a quick-detach for an AR platform. We could start an entire thread talking about options for the 223/308 AR platform. But get a can for your AR. It's awesome, and once you have one, you won't shoot without it.
3a) If you are a long-range guy, pick up a thread-on long-range can in your preferred caliber. Again, there are a lot of options here, depending on what you want to do. TBAC/Thunderbeast is one option - they are semi-local and popular with the LR crowd.
3b) If you're more of a pistol guy, get a pistol can instead. There are two ways to go - if you shoot a lot of different guns, get 45acp can that you can move between platforms. Otherwise, if you're mostly a 9mm guy, get a 9mm can. If you'll ever get into subguns or a 9mm AR, keep that in mind when you're looking at mounting options.
If money is tight and you want to minimize what you buy, I would get a 22lr, a 308 QD for your AR, a 45acp for your pistols and a LR can in a big caliber for your LR gun. Otherwise, come be stupid like the rest of us and have a whole pile of the dang things, so you can dedicate them to a particular gun.
Suppressors are awesome. Come drink the Kool-Aid.
By the way, your avatar is distracting.
Every darn time I'm scrolling through a thread, it "pops" out and I lose my place.
:D
If you're buying online, there is silencershop and then everybody else. Doesn't mean they're the best, but they have a great online site.
Check out Cherokee Gun (http://www.cherokeegun.com/) out of GA. Found them on another forum http://www.theoutdoorstrader.com and they kicked everyone's ass on the AAC damn the man promo cans. I'd like to spend local, but nobody could come anywhere close to their price even factoring shipping and xfr fee, and they beat silencershop by a mile too.
This is the longer version and I agree..... With almost everything. It is a personal choice on how you want to go but personally I am not a big fan of the QD's for suppressors. The added cost of the muzzle brake and limited interchangeability, I like standard threaded. With a threaded suppressor, I can throw my can on a friends or any other threaded barrel with ease not having to buy/bring another muzzle brake. Technically you could do this with the QD muzzle brake but you won't. Again, not saying Brian is wrong on this but going QD is a decision based on how you would like to run. The rest is spot on. Yes.... Yesssss my friend, come in and drink the Kool-Aid it tastes wonderful.
There are several of us on the board who are at-home FFLs who handle suppressors. Drawback for most of us would be we usually don't carry a lot of inventory if you're a touchy kind of guy, but it might be a benefit to use a home-based guy if you know one of us, or live nearby, etc. But we're often better looking, and you'd get the same benefits as you would using a "normal" FFL over the big shops.
As for up North, I haven't been to Jensens in a long time, but I would drop in and check in on Bear Arms and Trigger Time for sure.
If you're buying online, there is silencershop and then everybody else. Doesn't mean they're the best, but they have a great online site.
Now as for cans... of course everybody is different, but unless you have specific goals, I'd do this:
1) Get a 22lr can. Take-apart doesn't matter for most cans, but it does matter for 22lr so you can clean it. High-end cans like the Sparrow are amazing, but even a cheapo 22lr can will be super fun and a lot of people will never notice the difference. These are too cheap to wait. Get one on right away. Depending on what gun you have, you may need to thread it or get an adapter or something. Seriously, don't think about it too hard, just get it done. 22lr cans are quieter than an air gun.
2) Get a can for your AR15. 50/50 option here on whether you should get a 308 can that can do dual duty or not. If you have or will get a 308 ar-10, then probably get a 308 can that you can shoot both through. Otherwise .223 is a good choice. There's a lot of options for mounting here, but you want a quick-detach for an AR platform. We could start an entire thread talking about options for the 223/308 AR platform. But get a can for your AR. It's awesome, and once you have one, you won't shoot without it.
3a) If you are a long-range guy, pick up a thread-on long-range can in your preferred caliber. Again, there are a lot of options here, depending on what you want to do. TBAC/Thunderbeast is one option - they are semi-local and popular with the LR crowd.
3b) If you're more of a pistol guy, get a pistol can instead. There are two ways to go - if you shoot a lot of different guns, get 45acp can that you can move between platforms. Otherwise, if you're mostly a 9mm guy, get a 9mm can. If you'll ever get into subguns or a 9mm AR, keep that in mind when you're looking at mounting options.
If money is tight and you want to minimize what you buy, I would get a 22lr, a 308 QD for your AR, a 45acp for your pistols and a LR can in a big caliber for your LR gun. Otherwise, come be stupid like the rest of us and have a whole pile of the dang things, so you can dedicate them to a particular gun.
Suppressors are awesome. Come drink the Kool-Aid.
Damn, I was hoping this was about the DD cans.
Anyone know whats going on with those?
Big John
11-20-2014, 06:20
Thanks so much for all the great info.
To answer a few of your questions...
Money is tight so price is definitely a factor. Thus a rifle can will have to suffice for now.
I going with a 30 cal can.
The host's will be a 300BLK pistol, Sig 516 5.56, and more than likely another 5.56 shorty at some point. I've got a couple ak's that would probably like to play as well.
Bang for the buck, I'm looking at the YHM Phantom M2 (stainless) with QD. They did quite well in some video's I've seen.
If I weren't pinching cash to get this done, I'd probably go with Thunderbeast, or the Specwar as it's my understanding that both are tanks.
I always thought that if I were to get a can it would be the SDN6. But with the hit and miss on whether or not they lock up tight, I'm just not feeling the love anymore. Especially if I can snatch up a can that will foot the bill at 2/3 the cost.
In the end, I'm sure all will work for what I need them to do. It seems like every time I'm ready to pull the trigger on one, something comes up and it goes on the back burner. I've had a trust in place for over a year and no NFA on it. It's time to get something done.
If I was looking for a can I would call Coloradohack from the board. It seems he has good supply lines, great pricing, knows his stuff, and easy to work with. He has a spot in the Industry Partners section, DangerLee Industries.
Good luck and welcome to the fun crowd. You might also look at Machine Gun Tours or Firing Line if you get into town.
Great-Kazoo
11-20-2014, 08:52
Thanks so much for all the great info.
To answer a few of your questions...
Money is tight so price is definitely a factor. Thus a rifle can will have to suffice for now.
I going with a 30 cal can.
The host's will be a 300BLK pistol, Sig 516 5.56, and more than likely another 5.56 shorty at some point. I've got a couple ak's that would probably like to play as well.
Bang for the buck, I'm looking at the YHM Phantom M2 (stainless) with QD. They did quite well in some video's I've seen.
If I weren't pinching cash to get this done, I'd probably go with Thunderbeast, or the Specwar as it's my understanding that both are tanks.
I always thought that if I were to get a can it would be the SDN6. But with the hit and miss on whether or not they lock up tight, I'm just not feeling the love anymore. Especially if I can snatch up a can that will foot the bill at 2/3 the cost.
In the end, I'm sure all will work for what I need them to do. It seems like every time I'm ready to pull the trigger on one, something comes up and it goes on the back burner. I've had a trust in place for over a year and no NFA on it. It's time to get something done.
Everyone else has ;)
Great info throughout! Thanks gents! I'll keep doing some due diligence, but suspect I'll start with an Octane 45 and get a .30 cal can for my rifles, down the road.
Teufelhund
11-20-2014, 11:11
By the way, your avatar is distracting.
Every darn time I'm scrolling through a thread, it "pops" out and I lose my place.
:D
Pro-tip: Open google images in a new window, click the camera icon to "search by image" and then drag and drop the avatar to find the full size images. Probably not while you're at work.
FYI, you don't see a lot of suppressors on the AK platform because the threading is not reliable and you'd need to get it recut. Just FYI. I wouldn't attach a can you care about to an AK without getting it recut bore-concentric, and even then...
YHM makes a good can, and you'll be happy with it.
The AAC 51T issue you mentioned IMHO is overblown and generally not a real issue, but if it worries you, definitely get something you're comfortable with. Plenty of good manufacturer's other than AAC. Plus with all the crap surrounding Freedom/Cerberus/Remington/AAC...
Pro-tip: Open google images in a new window, click the camera icon to "search by image" and then drag and drop the avatar to find the full size images. Probably not while you're at work.
LOL. Pretty sure we're talking something larger than a 50cal can in that case.
I've had several transactions now w/SilencerShop.com (henceforth referred to as SS.com) and I recommend them wholeheartedly. Also, if you have any on your list that qualify for the AAC Damn the Man $200 rebate... get it NOW! The prices at SS.com are the cheapest I could find and nobody local was even willing to come close to matching as I was wiling to pay more to keep my business local. Some of the smaller guys who also do x-fers came close but the shops weren't even willing to discuss discounts and in fact most local shops have an agreement to not do transfers for SS.com and will even try to convince would-be customers that they're up to something shady. They're not. Press them for details and they will have none to offer you. Of course not because they're on the up and up they're just doing it cheaper than you. That's part of why I no longer give these idiots my money. SS.com has fantastic customer service and I'm always pleasantly surprised by the things they do w/o me even requesting. I ordered a AAC Spectre II using the Damn the Man rebate and the next morning I had an email with all the information I needed for the rebate including the serial number and a scan of the UPC from the box of my suppressor. I was able to fill out my rebate online in a couple of minutes. Here I was thinking it would be a month or two before my local NFA dealer would physically get the can before I could do the rebate and to my surprise I had the rebate submitted less than 24hrs after purchase thanks to their extra efforts in customer service. If they were just the cheapest place to buy suppressors I'd be happy with that but they offer customer service that my local shops that charge 50% more for the exact same item would laugh at if you requested let alone volunteering it w/o requesting. SS.com is how NFA should be done & has a customer for life.
Thanks so much for all the great info.
To answer a few of your questions...
Money is tight so price is definitely a factor. Thus a rifle can will have to suffice for now.
I going with a 30 cal can.
The host's will be a 300BLK pistol, Sig 516 5.56, and more than likely another 5.56 shorty at some point. I've got a couple ak's that would probably like to play as well.
Bang for the buck, I'm looking at the YHM Phantom M2 (stainless) with QD. They did quite well in some video's I've seen.
If I weren't pinching cash to get this done, I'd probably go with Thunderbeast, or the Specwar as it's my understanding that both are tanks.
I always thought that if I were to get a can it would be the SDN6. But with the hit and miss on whether or not they lock up tight, I'm just not feeling the love anymore. Especially if I can snatch up a can that will foot the bill at 2/3 the cost.
In the end, I'm sure all will work for what I need them to do. It seems like every time I'm ready to pull the trigger on one, something comes up and it goes on the back burner. I've had a trust in place for over a year and no NFA on it. It's time to get something done.
I've got two of the YHM Phantoms; a 30cal Moly QD from maybe 5 years ago or more & a SS 5.56mm QD and both have been fantastic. For what I paid I'm MORE than happy with both and if you want to get into suppressors on a budget it's a wonderful place to start and the difference between them and offerings that cost 3x or more can be splitting hairs sometimes with different pros and cons for each option. The QD is one of my favorite and there's many different options out there for muzzle devices and being able to go from a 30cal to a 5.56 adds a lot of flexibility for your first suppressor. You will eventually want to get a dedicated 5.56mm can for your lighter weight rounds as the size & weight may get to you depending on how you use those rifles but it's still a great jump-off point on any budget.
All of my suppressors have come through MachineGunTours. If I had to start over, I would get a rebuildable, take-apart .22LR can, a .45ACP can and two Thunderbeasts (30PS and a 30PSS). But then improvements have been made since I started as well and I can't say I am unhappy with my collection at all. The guys at MGTS have always been great to deal with as well.
+1 on this. All of my suppressors have also come from them.... Still happy. Would recommend.
All of my suppressors have come through MachineGunTours. If I had to start over, I would get a rebuildable, take-apart .22LR can, a .45ACP can and two Thunderbeasts (30PS and a 30PSS). But then improvements have been made since I started as well and I can't say I am unhappy with my collection at all. The guys at MGTS have always been great to deal with as well.
Big John
11-20-2014, 18:03
Awesome information guys! Thank you[not-worthy]
Great-Kazoo
11-20-2014, 18:05
I've had several transactions now w/SilencerShop.com (henceforth referred to as SS.com) and I recommend them wholeheartedly. Also, if you have any on your list that qualify for the AAC Damn the Man $200 rebate... get it NOW! The prices at SS.com are the cheapest I could find and nobody local was even willing to come close to matching as I was wiling to pay more to keep my business local. Some of the smaller guys who also do x-fers came close but the shops weren't even willing to discuss discounts and in fact most local shops have an agreement to not do transfers for SS.com and will even try to convince would-be customers that they're up to something shady. They're not. Press them for details and they will have none to offer you. Of course not because they're on the up and up they're just doing it cheaper than you. That's part of why I no longer give these idiots my money. SS.com has fantastic customer service and I'm always pleasantly surprised by the things they do w/o me even requesting. I ordered a AAC Spectre II using the Damn the Man rebate and the next morning I had an email with all the information I needed for the rebate including the serial number and a scan of the UPC from the box of my suppressor. I was able to fill out my rebate online in a couple of minutes. Here I was thinking it would be a month or two before my local NFA dealer would physically get the can before I could do the rebate and to my surprise I had the rebate submitted less than 24hrs after purchase thanks to their extra efforts in customer service. If they were just the cheapest place to buy suppressors I'd be happy with that but they offer customer service that my local shops that charge 50% more for the exact same item would laugh at if you requested let alone volunteering it w/o requesting. SS.com is how NFA should be done & has a customer for life.
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Awesome information guys! Thank you[not-worthy]
So did you buy something yet? Get off yer butt! :)
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I've had several transactions now w/SilencerShop.com (henceforth referred to as SS.com) and I recommend them wholeheartedly. Also, if you have any on your list that qualify for the AAC Damn the Man $200 rebate... get it NOW! The prices at SS.com are the cheapest I could find and nobody local was even willing to come close to matching as I was wiling to pay more to keep my business local. Some of the smaller guys who also do x-fers came close but the shops weren't even willing to discuss discounts and in fact most local shops have an agreement to not do transfers for SS.com and will even try to convince would-be customers that they're up to something shady. They're not. Press them for details and they will have none to offer you. Of course not because they're on the up and up they're just doing it cheaper than you. That's part of why I no longer give these idiots my money. SS.com has fantastic customer service and I'm always pleasantly surprised by the things they do w/o me even requesting. I ordered a AAC Spectre II using the Damn the Man rebate and the next morning I had an email with all the information I needed for the rebate including the serial number and a scan of the UPC from the box of my suppressor. I was able to fill out my rebate online in a couple of minutes. Here I was thinking it would be a month or two before my local NFA dealer would physically get the can before I could do the rebate and to my surprise I had the rebate submitted less than 24hrs after purchase thanks to their extra efforts in customer service. If they were just the cheapest place to buy suppressors I'd be happy with that but they offer customer service that my local shops that charge 50% more for the exact same item would laugh at if you requested let alone volunteering it w/o requesting. SS.com is how NFA should be done & has a customer for life.
Same customer service from Cherokee and they beat ss on price. Local ffl was happy to do the transfer.
Same customer service from Cherokee and they beat ss on price. Local ffl was happy to do the transfer.
They can do better than an AAC Spectre II for $260 & an Octane 9mm HD for $559 including shipping? I was also able to get a 3% discount for cash payment. If your guy can beat those prices including tax then that's pretty impressive.
Big John
11-21-2014, 05:39
So did you buy something yet? Get off yer butt! :)I'm trying to find what I want in stock. Silencershop doesn't have em. I'm also waiting on a couple of replies.
Same customer service from Cherokee and they beat ss on price. Local ffl was happy to do the transfer.
who/what is this Cherokee you speak of?
There have been some great deals on AAC cans recently. About 2-3 months ago I purchased a Mini-4 for $500 for kygunco.com. About 2 months ago I got a TiRant 9 for $350 from quietriotfirearms.com. Both were eligible for the $200 rebate to their online store.
Looks like Black Friday is bringing some deals on cans too. I got an email from quietriotfirearms, they are doing the TiRant 9's for $350 again, plus a few other good deals. Osprey 9 for $500, TiRant 45 AND a 556-SD for $900.
Also radicalfirearms has some black friday deals that are decent. Check out their facebook. The one that is tempting me is a 762-SDN6 for full retail ($1050) but get a free complete upper and you can add a complete lower for $99. Silencershop has this one for $850, so the way I look at it is buy the can and get a complete rifle for $300. It's not a screaming deal but worth a few hundred probably.
Anyone else seeing any BF deals on cans? I want to pick up a 7.62 suppressor and maybe a small 9mm. Looking for a Saker 7.62 and a TiRant 9s.
who/what is this Cherokee you speak of?
Check out Cherokee Gun (http://www.cherokeegun.com/) out of GA. Found them on another forum http://www.theoutdoorstrader.com (http://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/) and they kicked everyone's ass on the AAC damn the man promo cans. I'd like to spend local, but nobody could come anywhere close to their price even factoring shipping and xfr fee, and they beat silencershop by a mile too.
Big John
11-28-2014, 06:34
I've had several transactions now w/SilencerShop.com (henceforth referred to as SS.com) and I recommend them wholeheartedly. Also, if you have any on your list that qualify for the AAC Damn the Man $200 rebate... get it NOW! The prices at SS.com are the cheapest I could find and nobody local was even willing to come close to matching as I was wiling to pay more to keep my business local. Some of the smaller guys who also do x-fers came close but the shops weren't even willing to discuss discounts and in fact most local shops have an agreement to not do transfers for SS.com and will even try to convince would-be customers that they're up to something shady. They're not. Press them for details and they will have none to offer you. Of course not because they're on the up and up they're just doing it cheaper than you. That's part of why I no longer give these idiots my money. SS.com has fantastic customer service and I'm always pleasantly surprised by the things they do w/o me even requesting. I ordered a AAC Spectre II using the Damn the Man rebate and the next morning I had an email with all the information I needed for the rebate including the serial number and a scan of the UPC from the box of my suppressor. I was able to fill out my rebate online in a couple of minutes. Here I was thinking it would be a month or two before my local NFA dealer would physically get the can before I could do the rebate and to my surprise I had the rebate submitted less than 24hrs after purchase thanks to their extra efforts in customer service. If they were just the cheapest place to buy suppressors I'd be happy with that but they offer customer service that my local shops that charge 50% more for the exact same item would laugh at if you requested let alone volunteering it w/o requesting. SS.com is how NFA should be done & has a customer for life.Due to ^This^ and availability, I went with Silencershop and purchase a Specwar 7.62. Once I hear from silencershop that everything is moving forward... I wait.
Thanks for all the great info guys. It was all very helpful!
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