Man shot in hand in Monument

[dan512]

Please tell me this isn't anyone on the board...

Read this a few minutes ago and a few things stood out (mind you, I wasn't there, so I don't know all the details): Apart from the obvious lesson which is maybe a gunfight isn't the answer to an argument; maybe walking away would have been more effective, the other thing that occurred to me is that the other guy (or the bad guy) has a say in the fight too. He will probably fight back, unlike a paper target. He will probably try to grab the gun, or punch me, etc. The lesson I am taking is I need to start working grappling and weapon retention drills... start working on position and making space.


http://gazette.com/man-shot-in-hand-after-dispute-at-monument-safeway-store/article/1549877

A coffe-throwing spat may have been what led to a man being shot in the hand Friday at a Safeway parking lot in Monument.
Mark Brady, 61, was arrested Friday night after the shooting, which happened around 3:40 p.m. at the Safeway at 624 Colorado Highway 105, said Lt. Steve Burk, a Monument Police Department spokesman.

Two men began arguing in an aisle inside the store, and the confrontation spilled into the parking lot where one man pulled out a handgun and, after a struggle for the firearm, appeared to shoot the other man in the hand, Burk said.
Police were trying to piece together the details around 8:30 Friday night, Burk said, but they've heard stories that both men threw coffee at one another before the victim was shot.The victim drove himself to a doctor, Burk said.
Brady was expected to be charged with second-degree assault.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Coffee. My "go to" for dissing somebody.

Gotcha. Dumb ass stuff right there.

[dan512]

For real man. I'd definitely shoot somebody over my morning coffee, but this shit happened in the afternoon.

[crays]

Bye bye CCW...

[Jacket]

This gives coffee drinkers a bad name.

[Bailey Guns]

Bye bye CCW...

Bye, bye to all of his guns.

[Rooskibar03]

There are times I feel like shooting someone before my morning coffee. Someone made a pretty poor decision. Sadly I work with a fellow who just took his CCW training in a hotel lobby because he had a Groupon. I'm terrified by the idea of this individual carrying a gun.

First time I ever went shooting with him he put two shotgun rounds into the ceiling and carrier at BluCore.

[crays]

Bye, bye to all of his guns.
Ouch. Didn't even think of that. Dumb b@stard.

[BPTactical]

Ban coffee..........for the chilrenz...












Typically a responsible CCW holder will do everything they can to avoid a confrontation.
Dumbass

[crays]

BP, you get my phone message?

[crays]

Back on topic...

[BPTactical]

Nobody show this thread to Slapps74........[Coffee]

[Batteriesnare]

I didn't do it. What a dumb ass.

[Great-Kazoo]

I didn't do it. What a dumb ass.

Dumb for not shooting him. Or dumb for someone else doing the shooting?

[UncleDave]

Not me I was out of town.

[Irving]

Typically a responsible CCW holder will do everything they can to avoid a confrontation.
Dumbass

I think I disagree. We just had a thread about doing what's right, and many people took that stance. I know I don't always back down from confrontation. I often will, but almost never because I'm carrying; especially in someplace like a supermarket. HOWEVER, I would say that while I might not shy away from confrontation, I would certainly do everything I could to avoid shooting someone.

Edit to add, perhaps I should reconsider bring less confrontational.

[HoneyBadger]

I wasn't there, but what if the guy was drawing his weapon in self defense? What if there weren't any credible witnesses? What if there was a baby in a stroller behind the hand that was shot? Should he have used his vehicle to eliminate the threat instead of his gun???

What if... ?




[ROFL1]

[Irving]

Listen, if you're going to stand in the coffee aisle, not resound to a polite "excuse me," AND you are buying decaf; then you're lucky you only got shot in one hand.

[BushMasterBoy]

Meanwhile on the other hand...

[Bailey Guns]

I wasn't there, but what if the guy was drawing his weapon in self defense? What if there weren't any credible witnesses? What if there was a baby in a stroller behind the hand that was shot? Should he have used his vehicle to eliminate the threat instead of his gun???

What if... ?




[ROFL1]

I'm trying to remember what this reminds of...

[BPTactical]

Meanwhile on the other hand...

I see what you did there...

[theGinsue]

Should he have used his vehicle to eliminate the threat instead of his gun???

Naw, I think this "victim" went hand-over-fist to avoid being a leadfoot.

[BPTactical]

Good thing he didn't play hockey.....helluva wrist shot.....









I get your drift Stu, perhaps I was too general in my statement.
I do know though that if I am carrying I am a good bit more....well....tolerant is not the right word but let a lot more crap slide, ain't worth the aggravation.
What would fire somebody up so much in a grocery store?
Somebody grab the wrong cucumber?
Make a rude comment about his can of tuna and roast beef?

[TheGrey]

Dumbass! Plain and simple. Grown-up, emotionally mature adults do NOT start squabbles in the middle of the afternoon in a grocery store, of all places. They don't carry their snitfest outside of the store. It doesn't say if the armed guy struggled with the other person before shooting him, or if he struggled to pull his weapon. Either way, he was more interested in stroking his own ego and being "right" to the extent of shooting the other guy. SHOOTING him.

I have zero sympathy for him. In fact, the sound of my text is that of contempt. This is road rage in the form of an armed asshole, which is not only infinitely more dangerous because he is controlled by the chip on his shoulder and not a lick of reason or common sense. What do you think may have happened if someone had tried to break up the fight? He gives gun owners a bad name. He doesn't deserve to carry around a sharp pencil, much less a gun.

[Holger Danske]

This Safeway shares a parking lot with the Big O Tire where a kid shot and killed an employee back in 2011. http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Trial_Begins_For_Teen_Accused_In__122655534.html?d evice=tablet&c=y

Monument is turning into the hood. Im glad I live in BF, and shop at the Monument King Soopers, which is closer to my place.

[KS63]

I get a little pissy if I haven't had my morning coffee. Wouldn't shoot a dude, though....

[dan512]

Despite being full of several big assumptions I think the reason this article stood out to me is that it seems this man viewed his gun as a sort of "magic tool" that would overcome not only his poor decision making skills but also his crappy gun handling. I found it a sort of good reality check. Just because you carry a gun doesn't make you the good guy, nor does it mean you are able to use it properly when you do pull it out.

[Ronin13]

I think I disagree. We just had a thread about doing what's right, and many people took that stance. I know I don't always back down from confrontation. I often will, but almost never because I'm carrying; especially in someplace like a supermarket. HOWEVER, I would say that while I might not shy away from confrontation, I would certainly do everything I could to avoid shooting someone.

Edit to add, perhaps I should reconsider bring less confrontational.
You make a good point, there is a big difference between not backing down from a confrontation (or better yet, confronting someone), and escalating said confrontation. It would seem in many instances to confront someone on a wrongdoing on their behalf, or something that requires intervention, would be permissible. However, one should attempt to keep the confrontation peaceful and amicable and not allow it to spiral out of control and into a situation where there lies a potential for violence or the police needing to intervene. On the surface, and without all the facts, this case would seem to be one where things got out of hand and beyond the control of the guy with the gun.

[ray1970]

I miss the good old days. You know, when a guy dumped coffee on you so you just beat the s**t out of him and moved on.

[Skip]

Who throws coffee at each other? Was it starbucks? Did they have a lisp.... has anyone called pink pistols? So many questions....

Perhaps it's the new glove slap?

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[BushMasterBoy]

Gang sign?

[Duman]

Dumbass! Plain and simple. Grown-up, emotionally mature adults do NOT start squabbles in the middle of the afternoon in a grocery store, of all places. They don't carry their snitfest outside of the store. It doesn't say if the armed guy struggled with the other person before shooting him, or if he struggled to pull his weapon. Either way, he was more interested in stroking his own ego and being "right" to the extent of shooting the other guy. SHOOTING him.

Dumbass? Check.
Grown-up emotionally mature people? Nope.
Conflict avoidance/de-escalation? Nope.

The number of mature, emotionally adjusted people seems to be on the decline.

[Ronin13]

The number of mature, emotionally adjusted people seems to be on the decline.
Quoted for truth!