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Gman
07-12-2015, 15:13
Whataburger takes stand against Texas' new open carry law (http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/whataburger-takes-stand-against-texas-new-open-carry-law/ar-AAcT5lr)


SAN ANTONIO — An iconic Texas restaurant chain will not allow the open carrying of guns on its properties, and industry experts say other restaurants will likely take the same stand against a new state law legalizing the practice in many public places.

Whataburger — with some 780 locations in 10 states — has drawn a mix of praise and rebuke since making the announcement this month, including a prediction of boycotts from one of the state's leading advocates for gun rights.

In an open letter on the company's website, Whataburger president and CEO Preston Atkinson said many employees and customers are "uncomfortable being around someone with a visible firearm." He described himself as an avid hunter with a concealed-carry license and noted that patrons licensed to carry concealed handguns will still be able to do so in Whataburger.

Atkinson's letter comes one month after Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signed a bill that made it legal to carry handguns openly on the streets of the nation's second most-populous state, ending a prohibition dating back to the post-Civil War era that disarmed former Confederate soldiers and freed slaves.

The law, which gives private property owners the right to prohibit open carry, was hailed as a victory for gun rights advocates who have staged high-profile rallies at the Alamo and Texas Capitol over the past couple of years. Some even brought military-style assault rifles into businesses as part of their demonstrations, prompting the Chipotle restaurant chain to discourage firearms on their premises.

Whataburger's decision is expected to pave the way for other restaurants to enact similar policies that will further limit where gun owners can openly carry their firearms when the law takes effect in January.

Texas Restaurant Association CEO Richie Jackson said he wasn't surprised by Whataburger's advance announcement, noting that "gun rights do not trump property rights" under the new law.

"It can't be kept a secret," he said. "Given the number of units that they have in Texas, they just wanted to make it very clear as to where they were going to be, and I would expect to see a number of restaurants follow."

But Open Carry Texas founder C.J. Grisham said Whataburger's policy was "premature and irresponsible," and that the restaurant caved to "fear mongering."
"I think most gun owners that know this policy are simply not going to go to Whataburger, like me," he said.

The group Moms Demand Action For Gun Sense in America put out a statement applauding Whataburger's actions. The organization has successfully petitioned other chains, including Sonic and Chili's Grill & Bar, to adopt similar policies.

Stephanie Lundy, spokeswoman for the organization's Texas chapter, said she has spoken to mothers who have teenage children working in the company's restaurants late at night. "They do not feel that part of their job description should involve assessing the intention of armed folks," she said.

She described Atkinson's announcement as "good old Texas common sense."

"Texans are bold and brave," she said. "And that is what you are seeing from this CEO who is a gun owner."
Patrons have reacted in different ways.

Outside a Whataburger in San Antonio, Charlie Hair said he would feel safer if the chain allowed customers to openly carry firearms. "I prefer an armed society to an unarmed one," he said as he exited with his 8-year-old son.

But Mary Jones, who was with her 15-year-old grandson, said she was happy that Whataburger took a stand against open carry.

"Why do you need to bring a gun into a store where there are kids?" she asked. "We are not in the Wild, Wild West."
I'm willing to bet that Mary Jones doesn't know dick about the "Wild Wild West".

ray1970
07-12-2015, 16:04
Damn. And I liked eating at Whataburger.

hobowh
07-12-2015, 16:10
Damn. And I liked eating at Whataburger.

Me too made the trip every time I went back.

sroz
07-12-2015, 16:15
I don't have a problem with it. Property owners rights. 2A rights. I decide the rules in my house. He says as long as you have a permit, he has no problem with concealed carry. I'm good with that.
Have more of an issue with establishments that do not allow concealed carry. I try to avoid those.

Alpha2
07-12-2015, 16:20
"Why do you need to bring a gun into a store where there are kids?"

Um...well apparently you are NOT sufficiently endowed with grey matter for me to explain it to you. Tell you what, I'll give you a hint! The crazies will come, and they will shoot at the "kids", and when they do, and once again, they will, wouldn't it be nice for some nice sane individual with a gun to shoot back? Too complex for you???????

BTW, what the heck do "kids" have to do with it? I was out at Pawnee Sportsmen's Center today, and there were over 20 "kids" with shotguns having a blast at an ATA shoot. Did I miss the memo?

BPTactical
07-12-2015, 16:42
"Why do you need to bring a gun into a store where there are kids?"



The Derp is strong in this one.
Apparently Shady Hook, Columbine etc are all figments of our imagination.....

wyome
07-12-2015, 16:42
Had a Whataburger yesterday.....What is under my shirt is my business

Irving
07-12-2015, 16:45
Had a Whataburger yesterday.....What is under my shirt is my business

Is that a ccw comment or a fat joke?

wyome
07-12-2015, 17:06
Is that a ccw comment or a fat joke?

Yes

Bailey Guns
07-14-2015, 14:45
I don't get the outrage over the position Whataburger has taken. The wording of the headline is also misleading and inaccurate: Whataburger takes stand against Texas' new open carry law

They didn't take a stand against the law, they didn't oppose the law and they haven't said the law is a bad thing. They developed a corporate policy based on the law. They are well within their rights to do so. Why is it so many of you demand your 2A rights are respected yet fail to realize others have rights as well? The CEO is a gun owner and has a carry permit. Obviously he's not anti-gun. He just made a decision that he felt was right for his company and naturally plenty of people gotta get all butt-hurt over it.

Based on the way some people who OC act, I can't say I blame the guy.

I'll be happy to head into the next Whataburger I see...with my concealed handgun.

roberth
07-15-2015, 06:08
I've been waiting for someone to counter BG....no one has....because BG is correct.

hurley842002
07-15-2015, 07:34
I've been waiting for someone to counter BG....no one has....because BG is correct.
Yup!

Singlestack
07-15-2015, 21:03
Yes, he is.

milwaukeeshaker
07-16-2015, 07:58
Can't counter when correct, and BG is correct.

Samurai
07-16-2015, 09:05
I have to agree, with the above posters, the only time I open carry is when I go to the range, otherwise it is always concealed. don't want to be a target when shit goes down...they can't expect the unexpected. I would still support this business, the two Texas dipshits that went to chipotle with AR's and AKs started all this

Aloha_Shooter
07-16-2015, 12:37
Can we commit more fratricide? The CEO said he carries concealed and welcomes people with concealed weapons. They have been catering to their customers who don't like open displays inside the restaurant. He didn't cater or donate to Morons Demand Action. He didn't say don't bring weapons in. I carry openly on occasion but really prefer to be concealed anyway -- why make yourself target #1 if the whole point is being able to respond to or defend against kooks?

milwaukeeshaker
07-16-2015, 16:16
Exactly, you want to have the benefit of the upper hand, not allow them to see who they need to take out first. Something like. Surprise Ahole! Tag you're it!



Can we commit more fratricide? The CEO said he carries concealed and welcomes people with concealed weapons. They have been catering to their customers who don't like open displays inside the restaurant. He didn't cater or donate to Morons Demand Action. He didn't say don't bring weapons in. I carry openly on occasion but really prefer to be concealed anyway -- why make yourself target #1 if the whole point is being able to respond to or defend against kooks?

Justin
07-19-2015, 16:15
Open Carry retards toting AR15s, SKSs, and shotguns have done more harm for the gun movement than good. I have no problem with Whataburger instituting this policy.

Rumline
07-21-2015, 18:02
"Why do you need to bring a gun into a store where there are kids?"

Um...well apparently you are NOT sufficiently endowed with grey matter for me to explain it to you. Tell you what, I'll give you a hint! The crazies will come, and they will shoot at the "kids", and when they do, and once again, they will, wouldn't it be nice for some nice sane individual with a gun to shoot back? Too complex for you???????
Not to mention most gang members are considered kids (aka under 25). For example, when the anti's cry crocodile tears about how guns kill "so many kids".


Can we commit more fratricide? The CEO said he carries concealed and welcomes people with concealed weapons.
Apparently we'd rather eat our own as we engage in endless "no true Scotsman" debates than actually do anything to combat real antis.

Bailey Guns
07-22-2015, 07:31
Apparently we'd rather eat our own as we engage in endless "no true Scotsman" debates than actually do anything to combat real antis.

Or maybe we're so wrapped up in the "it's my right to do it" mentality we forget that others have rights, too.

Do you have rules of conduct you expect others to abide by in your home? I do. And I enforce them. My property, my rules.

sabot_round
07-23-2015, 18:35
I don't have issues with WB's stand. However, I can also see the other side of it. Not everyone can afford to fork out the fees for a CHP, and I think that we shouldn't ignore that fact. Just my[2cents]!!

SR

hurley842002
07-23-2015, 18:55
I don't have issues with WB's stand. However, I can also see the other side of it. Not everyone can afford to fork out the fees for a CHP, and I think that we shouldn't ignore that fact. Just my[2cents]!!

SR
Which is why I think CHP's are BS, but just because my wife can't afford a CHP (which she can't), doesn't mean WB should make a poor business decision and cater to my wife's needs, my wife should go elsewhere if it's that important to her.

(My wife doesn't OC, I was just using her situation as an example)

Aloha_Shooter
07-24-2015, 06:53
I don't have issues with WB's stand. However, I can also see the other side of it. Not everyone can afford to fork out the fees for a CHP, and I think that we shouldn't ignore that fact. Just my[2cents]!!

SR

I understand that but the proper tactic then is to fight for Constitutional carry in your locale, not to violate someone else's property rights and possibly affect his/her income, turning allies into ... bystanders if not outright enemies.

cstone
07-24-2015, 09:08
Fight the jacket tax!

Why do I need to train, apply, pay, pass another background check, wait almost 90 days, just to put a jacket on? Is that some of that "common sense" gun control stuff I keep hearing about?

Most of the recent shootings in the news utilized guns purchased after a background check. But we need more laws to make more crimes to add onto the crimes already committed by murderers. Am I missing the "common sense" part?