The Resurgence

[C Ward]

Curtis asked about this in another thread . The info just dropped last night .

http://resurgence3gun.com/

This is the original 3 gun not the carnival silliness that it has evolved in to today . No walk throughs ,semi surprise stages , no gaming stages by running past targets , power factor with hit factor scoring so no more poke and pray for 2 any where on paper , and one class heads up .

[banks74]

Looks awesome.

[DocMedic]

Interesting, looking over the rule set some things stick out to me so I have "some" questions,

-Why is the Power Factor for major so high on pistol?
-No Compensators on any weapon unless general military or in issue form, So I'm guessing Surefire Comps are good to go but not JP comps?
-No brightly neon colored base pads? does that include red, how's is it even relevant?
-22inch barrel for shotguns, does that measurement include the extended chokes?
-Will 6.5mm (6.5 creedmoor, 260 REM) be considered as major or does it have to use a .30cal bullet?
-Will Iron sight shooters be able to use a reddot on their rifles or must it be True Irons? True Iron sight division in 3gun have been almost none existent for good reason until the acceptance of 1x Reddots. At He-Man 3gun Nationals 2 years ago when it was still a Iron's only division they had 3 people shoot it...
-Starting pistol magazine, many pistol's are issued with 18 and 19 round magazines (CZ's and Springfields XD'ms) Will this be allowed?

I'm going to have to weigh some of my rifles tonight to see which ones make weight both in Major and Minor Format. While I do like the nostalgia of this match and look forward to shooting it, there is a reason why 3gun has evolved the way it has, outside of the "carnival" gimmics.

[Delfuego]

Way to go Chuck. I just got the email. Look like a lot of fun. I will be interested to see who does well and who chokes. Do you think you will get many of the high-speed competitors?

[Zak Smith]

LOL.

Contrary to recent shenanigans to convince us otherwise, a red dot optic is an optical sight.

The PF is the original SOF PF. 10mm and .45 ACP easily make major with full power loads. .40SW might be close.

The only 6.5mm we considered for Major was 6.5 Swede as it's a military caliber but decided no because 'Murica.

[DocMedic]

Ironically this match is going to require more specialized gear then I have atm. Does anyone know if there is video out there in internet land that have the old school SOF matches, especially when they where in RATON? The current match staff is interesting also, you have current 3 Gunners and a bunch of Precision Rifle shooters that haven't dabble in 3gun in over 5 years since I started, and with this match being out in Logan, I feel that this match might feel more like a Semi-precision rifle match with shotguns added in. What are we talking about distance for rifles? MOA of targets? will they be painted and be easy to spot? I would like to shoot it with Irons but If you can't see the targets in all lightings then what's the point.

[C Ward]

The reason most of the " precision rifle " shooters on staff haven't shot 3 gun since you started is because of the carnival silliness . Look at the staff names and target visiably and placement will be easily deduced .

[Hoser]

So looking forward to it.

I know Eddie would approve.

[Zak Smith]

Video hadn't been invented back then.

Well said Chuck. The reason we've run the stuff we have since 2006 (3-Gun included) is because it's what we wanted the sport to be.

I find it pretty funny that running 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5-gun matches makes us all of a sudden "Precision Rifle" shooters and apparently less qualified to run 3-Gun matches.

If you want to criticize us for not churning out square range 3-Gun matches lately, at least get the facts right. I was the guy who got up early to make Weld County 3-Gun happen from 1/2007 until 12/2012, which I count as 6 years. Thanks to JR for taking that over from me then. Anybody who runs local matches knows you need a break after that many years. Anyway, that change helped to permit us to sustain 4 major matches per year.

Don't worry about target presentations. I know at least Jimmy, Kurt, and I have shot real iron sights at major matches over the years and know what's reasonable (I didn't say "easy").

[DocMedic]

Zak I think you miss understood my post, it was never meant to be attack on you or your match staff. I never said anyone on that list wasn't qualified or I as questioning their ability run a match. I'm saying BASED on the staff which is strongly staffed with shooters that shoot Precision Rifle matches, are we going to see more of a precision based 3gun match (these details help me decide on what I will selecting gear wise). I love open field 3gun matches and that's why I'm not a member of 3GunNation, bay matches are ok time to time but not my fortay. If you think my post where personal attack I apologies but that's not the case.

[C Ward]

The SOF match NEVER hid targets and the stage design was about shooting fundamentals not bug hunts and carnival shoots .

[Zak Smith]

Jimmy will be able to hit every rifle target with a stock M14.

[DocMedic]

Thanks Chuck that's what I was wondering. I have no reference of SOF matches outside the Hour long "good old" day's that Eric talks about.

[DocMedic]

Since they're no walkthroughs on the stage, will target distances be made known to the shooters or are you on your own after the beep of the buzzer?

[VNgunfighter]

Ironically this match is going to require more specialized gear then I have atm. Does anyone know if there is video out there in internet land that have the old school SOF matches, especially when they where in RATON? The current match staff is interesting also, you have current 3 Gunners and a bunch of Precision Rifle shooters that haven't dabble in 3gun in over 5 years since I started, and with this match being out in Logan, I feel that this match might feel more like a Semi-precision rifle match with shotguns added in. What are we talking about distance for rifles? MOA of targets? will they be painted and be easy to spot? I would like to shoot it with Irons but If you can't see the targets in all lightings then what's the point.

Curtis,

We DO 3-gun at 3 of the 4 events we run through the summer and early fall. The staff is legit!

We went to the precision route because there was a demand for it and that what we liked doing at the time.

J

[VNgunfighter]

Since they're no walkthroughs on the stage, will target distances be made known to the shooters or are you on your own after the beep of the buzzer?

Target distances and stage procedure will all be covered in the shooter meeting..........relax man.

[Dinosdeuce]

I'm in

[C Ward]

The barrel length on the shotgun includes everything if the barrel is 22 and there is 1 inch of choke that would be 23 .

Any brightly colored basepads , we consider them offensive in this format .

Anything with lenses is an optical sight .

[rtr]

It's always great to see new (or old is new again) matches. I know most of the organizers for this and they are good guys with long histories in various shooting disciplines. I hope lots of folks embrace this event.

With that said I don't like to see one shooting sport mock another, but to each his own I guess.

Can someone elaborate on what they find about other types of 3gun that equates to "carnival silliness" and why brightly colored magazine base pads are "offensive"?

[DocMedic]

Curtis,

We DO 3-gun at 3 of the 4 events we run through the summer and early fall. The staff is legit!


J

Man you guys are killing me, I probably could had word that better. I'm not questioning the staff at all. Its a very strong staff mixed with some really strong 3gun shooters and Precision rifle guys, I was only trying to ask where in lines does this match fall. More Precision rifle stuff like a PRS format or more like RM3G, long range shots with easily visible targets. Having never shot or even watch a SOF match I'm just trying to get a bigger picture what to expect. I'm am not criticizing anyone for anything. Chuck pretty much answered all my questions (and Eric also), I realize the match is many many many months out but the reason I ask is I have to my vacation time figure out by Christmas (IE what matches to attend this year) so its nice to know just get a head start.

[MarkCO]

[Beer] Awesome

[VNgunfighter]

So looking forward to it.

I know Eddie would approve.

I hit the LIKE BUTTON!

[C Ward]

" Can someone elaborate on what they find about other types of 3gun that equates to "carnival silliness" and why brightly colored magazine base pads are "offensive"? "


This is the part of the evolution that made us stop , this is a " practical " sport , IE a martial sport . This is not sporting clays on the clock or flying flipping spinning twirling Tom Knapp trick shooting . If that is what you find interesting this may not be the match for you . This is about the practical application of the fundamentals of shooting

The basepad rule is from the SOF rules from day 1 , you'd have to ask Horne and Wadlich , the original match directors and the originators of the rule set .

[VNgunfighter]

It's always great to see new (or old is new again) matches. I know most of the organizers for this and they are good guys with long histories in various shooting disciplines. I hope lots of folks embrace this event.

With that said I don't like to see one shooting sport mock another, but to each his own I guess.

Can someone elaborate on what they find about other types of 3gun that equates to "carnival silliness" and why brightly colored magazine base pads are "offensive"?

Chris,

The magazine thing was their rule. We thought it was funny, but they were very strict on the this. We are not mocking anyone, it's their rule set which nothing has changed, except one rule.

These guys who ran SOF were all cops and old Gunsite dudes. They were very tactically based, and relayed their thoughts and attitudes in and on the stages.

As for "carnival shit"...I will stop talking now!

J

[CaseyS]

Hello all! I am extremely excited about this match. I certainly am considered the new generation of 3 gunner, but quickly followed the rest of these geezers into the precision world. Listening to their old SOF stories has totally captivated my imagination on this deal tho. I hope all new(ish) 3gunners at least follow this match, as I believe it to be a portal into the history of the sport.

We're gonna have a kick ass time down there, that's for sure. There'll be no gaming. As for equipment: this rule set is a great equalizer. With the specific gear and weapon standards in place this will come down to pure marksmanship and weapons manipulation, more than ever. There won't be huge advantages for the guy with the giant shotgun fed by the ninja fast chest rig, or the guy running a $6k+ race pistol, etc. It's come out and test yourself with practical hardware in a practical environment amongst your peers. I'm not sure who wouldn't get enthusiastic about that idea.

[DocMedic]

Chuck, Just want to run it by you before I get to crazy with any odd setups, will Box Fed shotguns be allowed as long as they meet the rules for shotguns?

[Zak Smith]

Eric posted this over one BE,



IF the barrel is less than 22"...

IF the magazine carriers / pouches meet all of the rules (remember, no hanging one off of your pocket for example)

See 4.8 and 5.7....

[C Ward]

The equipment rules must be met for both firearms and magazine storage but there is no operating system rule for shotguns .

[DocMedic]

Thanks guys just want to make sure there would be no issues.

[fourx4caddy]

This sounds like a super fun challenge!!
Sign me up!!

[Hoser]

This sounds like a super fun challenge!!
Sign me up!!

Going to hold you to that...

[VNgunfighter]

To all:

Pistols with 5.31" barrels are now allowed.

J

[VNgunfighter]

After consulting with JP Enterprises, who is hosting the match at the Blue Steel Ranch, we have moved the RESURGENCE dates to SEPT 23-25 in order to avoid conflict with the NRA World Championship. As a reminder, registration will open Monday January 25, but early registration will be available at the SHOT Show (the week prior).

J
CD

[VNgunfighter]

To All:

John Paul of JP Enterprises has stepped up and is offering a cash purse for the top finishers. 10K total... so 5K,3k and 2K is up for grabs. This also is including massive donations from JP in product as well for prizes. Of course there will be other sponsors involved, and the support should be awesome as usual.

Remember, there will be sign up at SHOT at the JP booth, and Alan from MGTS and myself will be mobile, and can take sign up as well.

[MarkCO]

So you can take CC at SHOT?

[VNgunfighter]

When you register, you get number (confirmation code), then login to CD website with confirmation code. then you have a 10 day period to send in funds for the match.

Sometime after the fact we will do squading...waaaaaay later.

You can register, get a number, but I would recommend you pay ASAP.

Hope this helps Mark.

Jimmy

[MarkCO]

Thanks Jimmy. I know you are stealthy, so I will look for you...and probably find Alan. :)

[VNgunfighter]

More announcements/updates:

1. JP has stepped up and is now the "Title Sponsor" for the Resurgence 3-Gun. This is awesome!
2. We have added a 4th day, so now the dates are September 22-25 2016, this was done various reasons, and they are good ones..nuff said.

Again, early sign up at SHOT.

AND!....General Open registration is open on Friday January 22nd @ 0800...SIGN UP!

http://resurgence3gun.com

Jimmy

[Zak Smith]

Hey guys, we are doing registration the exact same way we have for all our matches since.. maybe 2012?

1. Registration opens
2. Go to registration page (use official SHOT iPad @ JP booth for early access)
3. Submit email in duplicate
3. Receive email-confirmation email that includes your confirmation code (to log in) and a direct link to your registration form
4. You complete that registration form with valid data, you agree to the terms and conditions, and hit the Submit button
5. (You can go back and edit this again, it saves your info if you log in again or follow that link)
6. The application is in "submitted" state now and it goes into our queue. If we have slots available, we simply grant slots at this point.
7. If we do not have slots available, you go on the wait list (and will get an email to that effect). Wait list order is granted in "near FIFO" order
8. If/when your application goes from Submitted to "Slot Granted" state, you get an email to that effect. Follow the link and/or log in for the instructions to submit payment
9. Once in Slot Granted state, you have ten days to send payment (in the formats accepted)
10. When we receive payment, you'll be bumped to Confirmed/Paid status.
11. Alternatively, some shooters may go to Confirmed/Sponsor status or Confirmed/Comp status depending on sponsor status or comped-slot status (from working a prior match as an RO)
12. If you don't pay, sometime after the 10 days we will take back your slot, allocate it to someone else, and bump you to Nonpaid state. At this point you can ask to be bumped back onto the wait list (or a slot if we have any left)

Over time we've been burned by almost every exception we've made due to special pleading, circumstances, or status, so now we just stick to the policies. It's not personal.

[VNgunfighter]

Still room in the match, still time to come and shoot a "classic SOF" style match.

The prizes are looking great, and the stages are even better.

Be there in September!

Jimmy

[MarkCO]

For those of you who did not partake...you missed out.

One of the best matches I have been to ever. Fundamentals were stressed, thinking and awareness were stressed, hosing would get you a bad score. The prize table was amazing thanks to JPRifles and the other sponsors they got. It was not the choreographed hosefest that some have come to believe is what 3Gun is all about, and there was no "Easy" button.

Look for it next year.

[def90]

Are there any online write ups on it or video available yet?


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[Erni]

Are there any online write ups on it or video available yet?


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There is a big arse thread on Brian Enos forum with links to vids, descriptions, ets.

[Zak Smith]

Contingency X (Con X Media) has a ton of photos on FB

[Brass]

Can you post a link to that discussion on Brian Enos Forum? I can't find it!