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Zombie Steve
12-20-2015, 09:37
I'm serious - don't whine at me if you keep reading.
What the hell did I just watch? On the one hand, it was better than the last three combined. On the other, it was major plot elements from the first three
movies made into one movie. Go ahead and tell me which movie these were from:
-Secret data hidden on a droid. Both sides REALLY want to obtain it.
-Giant planet that has a beam that kills other planets. Has a weakness and needs to be stopped.
-Child of someone with the force switches to the other side of the force than the parent.
-Said child fights his father (who dies) after an emotional plea to be a good guy.
-Lots of sneaking around and avoiding patrols (and eventually fighting) on the giant planet that kills other planets.
-Millenium Falcon, in no particular order (which is having some technical problems) smuggles the wanted droid, is called a piece of junk, and winds up fighting a bunch of tie fighters.
Also - While Luke needs a lot of training to harness the power of the force, this chick nails the Jedi mind trick on the second try without ever knowing what the Jedi mind trick even is. She just does it. She can also outmatch someone trained in the force in a light saber duel.
At least it wasn't all CGI and light saber dancing.
Zombie Steve
12-20-2015, 09:39
Also - what's up with Carrie Fisher's face? Just years and years of cocaine abuse? Plastic surgery? Both? Her upper lip doesn't move.
That is about the same consensus expressed in the other thread.
Zombie Steve
12-20-2015, 09:54
We can merge them I guess. I know that one started with a big "No Spoilers".
Zombie Steve
12-20-2015, 10:27
X-wings travelling down a trench. Countdown to death star blowing up a rebel planet. Cantina full of aliens with a cool band.
blacklabel
12-20-2015, 10:40
Hell yeah they copied three of the most popular movies of all time. Don't fix it if it ain't broke. The 3 prequels were trash and they learned from it.
Bailey Guns
12-20-2015, 11:24
I feel like I just saved $10 for a ticket and $20 for popcorn and a coke.
I just pretend that only episodes 4-6 exist
Also - While Luke needs a lot of training to harness the power of the force, this chick nails the Jedi mind trick on the second try without ever knowing what the Jedi mind trick even is. She just does it. She can also outmatch someone trained in the force in a light saber duel.
I didn't jump to these conclusions. There is much mystery in Rey, like who her parents were and why she was orphaned, and it appears that the force is extremely strong in this one. I like the fact that she is a very strong willed character. This defiance is what led her being able to resist Kylo Ren and understanding she had abilities which she was unaware she possessed (The Force Awakens).
Loved seeing Han in this movie as his personality brought a lot to the original films. I'm sorry to see that he won't be showing up in Ep. VIII.
Droids were personal assistants. It doesn't surprise me that their owners would consistently use them for storing information.
I so hate Lucas for his depiction of Anakin becoming Vader. In the original films, Vader was an ominous badass villain. The prequels make him out to be a whiny little bitch.
I'm waiting for the Nutlix version. LOL
lolz
DocMedic
12-20-2015, 12:29
I could had done without the whinney ass kid as the bad guy, Darth Vader he is not
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I so hate Lucas for his depiction of Anakin becoming Vader. In the original films, Vader was an ominous badass villain. The prequels make him out to be a whiny little bitch.
I could had done without the whinney ass kid as the bad guy, Darth Vader he is not
There have been a lot of seriously bad guys in real life that started out as whiney bitches too. Narcissism is a powerful motivator to try and shape the world as one sees it rather than respect that people have a right to live as they choose. We have people doing that right now even as they are objectively making things worse they believe they "are the ones we've been waiting for."
ZERO THEORY
12-20-2015, 20:40
I was never a real Star Wars nerd, so maybe it's all just lost on me. But I saw the newest venture, and it was the same as before; bad acting, rushed plot and character development, weak exposition, MacGuffins, emotional inconsistencies, the list goes on.
KestrelBike
12-20-2015, 21:05
Also - While Luke needs a lot of training to harness the power of the force, this chick nails the Jedi mind trick on the second try without ever knowing what the Jedi mind trick even is. She just does it. She can also outmatch someone trained in the force in a light saber duel.
At least it wasn't all CGI and light saber dancing.
Agreed on there at least not being any dancing. I think that while it looked cool in II/III, it was too much of a departure from the now snail-paced fighting of the original trilogy.
Just got back from watching it, and I had been on a 100% media-blackout of it before I saw it, so I knew nothing going in. That said, I read A LOT of the star wars books when I was a young boy, and if they used some of the canon developed in those books, then Han & Leia's kids (I guess for this universe they only have 1, the evil kid) were good with the force, but Luke's kid was supposed to be a complete badass. So, if Rey (the girl) turns out to be Luke's daughter (and thus Leia's neice, which would explain their hug in commiseration of Han) then it could make sense that this chick picks up all the Jedi stuff quicker than Luke picked up the force as a teenager, and quicker still than his father Anakin picked up the force starting as a child.
I agree that they tried to cover too much, too fast. I *hate* the acting of Han's kid. Figures, because he's buds with lena dunham and starred with her in her show Girls (absolute s***). He's a whiney b**** in this movie, even worse than Anakin was in Ep. II & III. The First Order military commander is also a lame character. I get what they're trying to do with him, but it's stilted and does not come off well. His character had zerrooo development, and that's OK when it's a Grand Moff Tarkin or Admiral Piett who were awesome without having to do/say much and could just be a significant presence on screen, but this guy was given too much of a role/dialogue to let that slide.
If/When I have kids, I'm going to show Ep IV-VI to them and point out Leia, then I'm going to show them Ep VII and tell them: This is what drugs do. Don't be like Leia, don't do drugs.
On the other hand, I really like the pilot Poe's character. He's a badass, and look forward to him in Ep VIII. Finn is also a cool character who did not disappoint. I hope they avoid further anachronisms, as Finn was cutting it close. What I really like about the star wars films is that they use a timeless humor that is not too set in a specified time period. I think that Ep I-III, although not great movies, did well to avoid too much current-culture inclusion into the acting. It's tough to avoid, and I hope that they stay on the actors to keep it out of the movies.
Daisy Ridley (Rey, the new force-using main character) is perfect. I had to lookup her age and am glad she's 23, which means I am not too much of a creeper. Besides her being extremely easy on the eyes, she did a fantastic job playing the role and was very convincing, and she was amazingly never annoying, which I felt with nearly every other character at least once (Finn, Han, Leia constantly, Kylo). She'll do great in the next movies. Did I mention she's super, super cute?
Just got done watching it.
Over all a good movie...
The problem is the plot is 100% NOT ORIGINAL.
- Stored data on a droid to be used to get an old Jedi out of retirement..
- Rebel base faced with impending doom from a weapon planet.
- Rebels conceive a plan in 90 seconds on how to destroy the weapon planet.
- Rebels destroy the weapon planet with mere seconds left before impending base doom.
Everyone is saying Rey's father is probably Luke. There is a lot of evidence supporting it.
Just a theory and I'm thinking out loud here, but what about Galen Marek also known as "Starkiller" being her father. I'm not even sure if he was in any of the books or if its just a fantasy from some gamer company, but he's from the "Starwars Force Unleashed" Game series. It's about an apprentice of Vader that takes place between episodes 3 and 4. Basically this dude is a FUCKING BAD ASS that turns against Vader and joins the rebels! If you've ever played the game, this guy is WAY more powerful than Luke, Vader.... probably even Yoda...
Again, just thinking out loud and kinda hoping it could be true.. It would explain why she's so powerful with the force.
Here's a picture of the guy
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/theforceunleashed/images/5/50/Galen_Marek_Dual.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100113000455&path-prefix=en
http://pre07.deviantart.net/d931/th/pre/i/2010/338/b/8/galen_merak_by_random_god-d346nti.jpg
Bailey Guns
12-21-2015, 00:33
We just got back from watching it...in 3D. This was my first 3D movie. I enjoyed it. Even my wife liked it and she doesn't like the series. It seems to me this was almost just a remake of the original for the most part, minus some history and new characters.
Bitter Clinger
12-21-2015, 02:29
Yeah it has a lot of similarities with ANH, still the second best SW movie next to ESB. I thought the acting was top notch. I loved Rey (could she be any cuter?). Poe is a badass. I cant wait to see how Finns arc concludes, I believe he is force sensitive. Chewie was a total BADASS! Still wish he would have tore out a stormtroopers arms after Kylo killed Han.
I wish Han would have died in a blaze of glory but it was a fitting death for the man he became. Kylo Ren is a very interesting villian, it seems like his arc is the opposite of Luke and Vader, he is trying to fight the good in him and Luke and Vader were fighting the darkside in themselves. Why no Darth moniker though? He really reminded me of Jacen Solo/ Darth cadeus from the Yuzaahn Vong war. And wasn't Ben the name of Luke and Mara's kid? It's been years since I have read the NJO books.
Best part though, the Millennium fracking Falcon! Did the kessel run in 14 (12!) parsecs! The Falcon is my third fav next to Vader and Han. I'm gonna see this several times, it shares a bit with ANH but it IS it's own story. Thank you JJ for knocking it out! Too bad he is not directing the next one.
Thats not how the force works!
Kraven251
12-21-2015, 06:54
No doubt in my mind that Rey is Luke's kid. If you look at Kylo Ren he is just a kid, he throws temper tantrums. As for Rey or even Finn standing toe to toe with Kylo Ren, they didn't. Kylo Ren had taken a direct hit from a bowcaster, and was still standing. He was fighting through incredible pain and damage. Finn managed to hurt him more, then and only then did a fledgling Force user who happened to be very emotional and pissed off went ape shit on him. The fact she didn't kill him in that weakened state goes pretty far to his abilities especially since she definitely knew how to fight. Combine that with the fact he was trying not to kill her as he had it in his mind he could turn her etc.
Overall I liked the film, from watching two trailers I had already assumed that Han was going to die, the bad guy was either a Han/Leia child or Luke's kid and obviously the same for the protagonist. This is a fairly formulaic movie and the First Order is the embodiment of the original Empire on steroids, combine that with Abrams not wanting to get a horrible backlash as he did with the Star Trek franchise, I feel he did a remarkable job with the movie. This sets up the next two quite well, as long as they stop making big planet killing weapons the primary focus of the films.
No Darth moniker as he had not yet completed his training, that is my guess.
Kraven251
12-21-2015, 06:59
Just did a bit of google-fu, Ren is the title from a different Dark Side order other than the pure Sith.
Zombie Steve
12-21-2015, 11:39
In thinking about this again, it's painful to even hear the word "similarities". It's the same exact plot elements. And to top it off, the level of writing we get when differentiating what is now the 3rd movie in the franchise that has a planet killing planet is like this -
"Is it like the death star?"
"Oh, no. We wish it was like the death star. This one is a lot bigger".
"Oh."
That's the level of writing here?
"How do we kill it?"
"Well, we shoot it here, here and here."
"Ok. Let's do that."
[pileoshit]
I liked it, despite the shortcomings- like killing off my favorite character from the OT, wooden acting from the main villain (much akin to Hayden Christiansen), and rehashing of plot points from Ep IV. For everyone hoping that we'll see some of the great points from the expanded universe, they came out several months ago and said this is a new timeline separate from the EU. So you know what that means, no Admiral Thrawn (perhaps the coolest SW villain ever), probably no Mara Jade (who has one of the cooler story arcs for a character- goes from being "The Emperor's Hand" to becoming Luke's bride), only one kid born from Han and Leia (which sucks, because their kids turn into badasses), and doubtful to see a return of Boba Fett as he was brought back in the EU.
I, too, believe that Rey is Luke's daughter, which made for a pretty epic cousin fight at the end of VII, and opens up some interesting conflict in the future trilogy films. I didn't like how they beat the fact that Kylo Ren is Han and Leia's son... They mentioned it 4 or 5 times, as if we didn't get it the first time they said it. I really wish they had kept it a secret until Han confronted him on the bridge, that would have been an interesting twist ala the ESB "I am your father" moment. Nicely done JJ, you missed a great "Ah ha!" you could have tossed in there.
I'm cautiously optimistic about Rogue One, which comes out in 12 months- from what I've read so far it's the story of how the plans for the original Death Star were stolen and smuggled into the hands of the rebels; so it takes place just prior to Ep IV. And early rumors (I know, how well can we trust them), are that the film coming out in 2018 after Ep VIII will be a Boba Fett origin story that shows the dichotomy between Fett and Solo- I'm not holding my breath, but should be interesting to see where Disney takes the franchise.
RblDiver
12-21-2015, 12:38
Yeah, it felt like the true title was "Star Wars - How Many References To The Originals Can We Stick In."
I also was laughing at the fact when people use the standard "SPOILER: Snape kills Dumbledore" line, in this case it actually sort of applies. I mean, that kid looked very much like Snape, and his dad was as old as Dumbledore, so...
KestrelBike
12-21-2015, 16:48
I liked it, despite the shortcomings- like killing off my favorite character from the OT, wooden acting from the main villain (much akin to Hayden Christiansen), and rehashing of plot points from Ep IV. For everyone hoping that we'll see some of the great points from the expanded universe, they came out several months ago and said this is a new timeline separate from the EU. So you know what that means, no Admiral Thrawn (perhaps the coolest SW villain ever), probably no Mara Jade (who has one of the cooler story arcs for a character- goes from being "The Emperor's Hand" to becoming Luke's bride), only one kid born from Han and Leia (which sucks, because their kids turn into badasses), and doubtful to see a return of Boba Fett as he was brought back in the EU.
I, too, believe that Rey is Luke's daughter, which made for a pretty epic cousin fight at the end of VII, and opens up some interesting conflict in the future trilogy films. I didn't like how they beat the fact that Kylo Ren is Han and Leia's son... They mentioned it 4 or 5 times, as if we didn't get it the first time they said it. I really wish they had kept it a secret until Han confronted him on the bridge, that would have been an interesting twist ala the ESB "I am your father" moment. Nicely done JJ, you missed a great "Ah ha!" you could have tossed in there.
I'm cautiously optimistic about Rogue One, which comes out in 12 months- from what I've read so far it's the story of how the plans for the original Death Star were stolen and smuggled into the hands of the rebels; so it takes place just prior to Ep IV. And early rumors (I know, how well can we trust them), are that the film coming out in 2018 after Ep VIII will be a Boba Fett origin story that shows the dichotomy between Fett and Solo- I'm not holding my breath, but should be interesting to see where Disney takes the franchise.
oh man no way... please don't be joking about a Boba Fett film. Hollywood never does what the fans dizzily crave. Re: EU versus new universe, Boba Fett would be older than Leia at this point, it's just as well he wasn't included in EP VII (I could have done with a cameo, however).
As for Rey or even Finn standing toe to toe with Kylo Ren, they didn't. Kylo Ren had taken a direct hit from a bowcaster, and was still standing. He was fighting through incredible pain and damage. Finn managed to hurt him more, then and only then did a fledgling Force user who happened to be very emotional and pissed off went ape shit on him. The fact she didn't kill him in that weakened state goes pretty far to his abilities especially since she definitely knew how to fight. Combine that with the fact he was trying not to kill her as he had it in his mind he could turn her etc.
I didn't get that impression. There is a sense of morality to Rey's choices.
I'm also of the opinion that Rey is Luke's kid. The lightsaber of Vader...then Luke...is calling to her.
newracer
12-21-2015, 21:16
I didn't get that impression. There is a sense of morality to Rey's choices.
I'm also of the opinion that Rey is Luke's kid. The lightsaber of Vader...then Luke...is calling to her.
Luke and Leia's kid [Muaha]
Aardvark
12-21-2015, 21:30
so, from what I understand reading all these posts is.....no bhoobs.
blacklabel
12-21-2015, 22:17
so, from what I understand reading all these posts is.....no bhoobs.
I found the Jabba fan.
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hollohas
12-21-2015, 23:00
I thought Finn was a coward whiner. The budding relationship between him and Rey was lame. A tough orphan chick like her wouldn't hang with a douche like him.
Ren seemed about right. A silver spoon kid grows up to be insane...
Carrie Fisher sucks at acting and is nuts.
Nerds in the theater that cheered everytime an old character appeared need to get a life. They even cheered for R2. But crickets when Leia appeared. Ha.
The rest I liked. Yes it was the same plot, so what. It was obvious to me that was the entire point after I heard the first one liner from the originals. There were plenty of intentional jokes in the dialog poking fun at this new movie being a replay on the originals.
Of course they built a new bigger death star! Rebels blow your shit up? You build a bigger more badass planet destroying planet.
Madeinhb
12-22-2015, 02:33
Rey is Lukes kid. Finn is Lando's kid and snoke is Boba Fett. My predictions.
Kylo Ren I'm mixed about. With the mask on he was a badass. When he took it off, he was a pansy. Totally thought they casted him wrong.
I think JJ Abrams took the old movies into one with lots of throwbacks for the new younger fans. Summarizing everything from past to lead to new ones in future.
KestrelBike
12-22-2015, 10:12
I thought Finn was a coward whiner. The budding relationship between him and Rey was lame. A tough orphan chick like her wouldn't hang with a douche like him.
Don't forget Finn went down on that planet specifically just for her, and picked up a lightsaber against a Dark Lord (or whatever Ren is) to try and protect her. A sanitation dude with no obligations tells the resistance that he can disable the shield, just so he can get down there and try to rescue the girl... doesn't sound that cowardly to me (reckless and stupid though, yes). He had stability and a steady job as a stormtrooper in lopsided (towards the first order) battles, but he didn't like the political scene so he deserted. That's kinda like a wehrmacht soldier deserting in '43 after they start shooting Ukrainian villagers for nothing. Besides not wanting to up & join the resistance to fight against the first order because he was tired of it (stormtrooper'ing was all he had ever known, is it not fair that he can now choose to go do whatever else he wants?), I don't recall him doing anything that was cowardly or whining.
so, from what I understand reading all these posts is.....no bhoobs.
I found the Jabba fan.
lol 62898
BushMasterBoy
12-22-2015, 13:34
This one will be better!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbduDRH2m2M
This one will be better!
[snip vid]
Good? Yes.
Better? Nope.
hollohas
12-22-2015, 14:04
He had stability and a steady job as a stormtrooper in lopsided (towards the first order) battles, but he didn't like the political scene so he deserted.
Disagree. He made the decision to desert after getting scared from seeing a buddy get shot and leave blood all over his helmet. Had nothing to do with politics.
Dude had no intention to stick with Rey, he saw her simply as an opportunity to get his ass away from the First Order.
You're forgetting that he actually ditched her first chance he got.
And sure, he didn't want to kill villagers, but he apparently didn't think it was so wrong that he needed to do something to stop it. He was fine with innocents getting murdered just as long as he personally didn't have to do it. His plan was to run away, he had no intention of doing anything to stop the First Order.
He didn't offer up the Intel on the super death star as a means to keep people from dying. Rather, as you said, he offered it up soley as a means to save Rey. Saving millions of innocents was a consolation prize.
Think about it this way. The guy knew about the super death star. He knew what it could do. And he knew how to stop it. If Rey didn't get captured, do you think he'd have shared that intel? No f'in way. Had she not been captured, he'd be long on his way to the outer rim and the super death star would be blowing up planets left and right.
A real good guy would see the wrong, and not run away, but get away and immediately join the fight to stop the evil. Even if he didn't have the possibilty to get keep some tail....
Disagree. He made the decision to desert after getting scared from seeing a buddy get shot and leave blood all over his helmet. Had nothing to do with politics.
Dude had no intention to stick with Rey, he saw her simply as an opportunity to get his ass away from the First Order.
You're forgetting that he actually ditched her first chance he got.
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In the spirit of everything old is new again... Han did the same thing in ANH having gotten his payment and then, just like Finn, changed his mind.
In both cases, the rebels wouldn't have won without the change of heart. A little cheesy, sure, real life usually doesn't work that way.
I gave it a 5 out of 10. Too much rehash of old ideas and its seemed more like giving the original cast an opportunity to make another paycheck before they kick the bucket in real life verses truly expanding upon the core story line.
There have been a CRAP TON of books written about the happenings after the first three films. I have read quite a few of these books and ANY ONE OF THEM would have made a better movie than what we got.
The only thing you can count on is the Star Wars cash cow will be milked to the last drop regardless of the milk being sour or not.
Since there is a spoiler thread, I will say what I think abut it. The show was a mess. Harrison Ford reprising his role as Han saves it from being a disaster and his scenes were worth watching. Abrams trying to invoke nostalgia, just comes off repeating stories that have already been told just like his hatchet job with Into Darkness. I spent the entire movie thinking to myself, I already saw this in 1977. Beyond the repetition, the plot changes didn't make sense. What is the back story after return of the Jedi? I can't imagine a story line that didn't involve Luke rebuilding the Jedi order. How could the Leia, Luke, and Han of the first trilogy never talk to each other in this movie? The only thing we saw is repetition with no answers as to why. By the time Han made his sacrificial walk, I just sat there....really, can't you people come up with an original idea? The movie was just the 21st century PC version of A New Hope. Rey and Ren are somewhat interesting, but I hope they do more then retread the first trilogy in the sequels.
blacklabel
12-22-2015, 18:01
I think a lot of your questions will be answered in the next film.
KestrelBike
12-22-2015, 19:22
He didn't offer up the Intel on the super death star as a means to keep people from dying. Rather, as you said, he offered it up soley as a means to save Rey. Saving millions of innocents was a consolation prize.
Think about it this way. The guy knew about the super death star. He knew what it could do. And he knew how to stop it. If Rey didn't get captured, do you think he'd have shared that intel? No f'in way. Had she not been captured, he'd be long on his way to the outer rim and the super death star would be blowing up planets left and right.
A real good guy would see the wrong, and not run away, but get away and immediately join the fight to stop the evil. Even if he didn't have the possibilty to get keep some tail....
Fair enough, I see your point.
I gave it a 5 out of 10. Too much rehash of old ideas and its seemed more like giving the original cast an opportunity to make another paycheck before they kick the bucket in real life verses truly expanding upon the core story line.
There have been a CRAP TON of books written about the happenings after the first three films. I have read quite a few of these books and ANY ONE OF THEM would have made a better movie than what we got.
The only thing you can count on is the Star Wars cash cow will be milked to the last drop regardless of the milk being sour or not.
Agreed, but I have no problem milking the cash cow. Them making new movies does not diminish any of my enjoyment for the OT. And if they manage to make a SWEET Boba Fett movie, then it's all worth it, even Ep. I.
Kraven251
12-23-2015, 01:00
Since there is a spoiler thread, I will say what I think abut it. The show was a mess. Harrison Ford reprising his role as Han saves it from being a disaster and his scenes were worth watching. Abrams trying to invoke nostalgia, just comes off repeating stories that have already been told just like his hatchet job with Into Darkness. I spent the entire movie thinking to myself, I already saw this in 1977. Beyond the repetition, the plot changes didn't make sense. What is the back story after return of the Jedi? I can't imagine a story line that didn't involve Luke rebuilding the Jedi order. How could the Leia, Luke, and Han of the first trilogy never talk to each other in this movie? The only thing we saw is repetition with no answers as to why. By the time Han made his sacrificial walk, I just sat there....really, can't you people come up with an original idea? The movie was just the 21st century PC version of A New Hope. Rey and Ren are somewhat interesting, but I hope they do more then retread the first trilogy in the sequels.
His "best student" pulled a Vader and killed them all. Then Luke went into self imposed exile, Leia and Han didn't talk much after their kid went Dark Side.
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/10172652_10153914689309742_3143922897462598880_n.j pg?oh=955906e96f6e671a7c87a0e08e7a537d&oe=56D55038
oh man no way... please don't be joking about a Boba Fett film. Hollywood never does what the fans dizzily crave. Re: EU versus new universe, Boba Fett would be older than Leia at this point, it's just as well he wasn't included in EP VII (I could have done with a cameo, however).
Again, just a rumor I read about on one of the SW sites that digs into these things. There was also some conjecture about it on Screenrant or something like that. It appears that the "anthology" films taking place between the new trilogy films are history to fill some gaps left during the OT. I would love to see them make Shadows Of The Empire into a movie.
There have been a CRAP TON of books written about the happenings after the first three films. I have read quite a few of these books and ANY ONE OF THEM would have made a better movie than what we got.
Two words: Thrawn Trilogy. That would be so awesome, but they just tossed the EU out the window. Shame.
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-1,000 internets to you!
And the thread has been Rickrolled. My, my...seems like its been a while. [Coffee]
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