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So, somewhere shortly after the San Bernardino incident I heard or read that there was a potential plan to cause a traffic jam on a major interstate and then open fire on people as they sat in their vehicles.
Anyhow, it got me to thinking about keeping a rifle in the truck for just such an ocassion. It would suck to be 100 yards out from the shooters and taking heavy fire with only a handgun on one's person.
So, just conversation material mostly but it brought up a question or two.
What would be a good way to secure the rifle inside the vehicle yet still allow you fairly quick access to it?
Also, if the situation actually played out like I alluded to above and shooters were engaging you and other motorists and they were roughly 100 yards out, would it be feasible to take a clear shot to neutralize the threat if the opportunity presented itself or would there be too great of a risk of possible collateral damage to friendlys?
Feel free to discuss any other thoughts on the subject.
Rooskibar03
12-21-2015, 21:20
I've thought about securing the bottom half of a pelican case to the floor in the trunk and using padlocks to secure a cheap AR and half a dozen mags inside.
One of those things I keep putting off and one day I'll be like "son of a bitch I could really use an AR right now."
The scenario you described is something I thought of years ago and have wanted a longer gun in the car since. I think any pistol configuration should be able to get you out to 100 yards okay.
The situation is a potential nightmare though. 100 yards of potential victims between you and bad guy, and everyone is on the same elevation. Yikes.
The closest incident I can recall that would fit your scenario was the 1993 Langley, VA, CIA entry shooting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_shootings_at_CIA_Headquarters
IMO, the best weapon you would have in that type of situation would be the vehicle you are driving. Of course all situations are unique, but I personally would rather be in the vehicle and moving rather than out of the vehicle shooting.
Just my $.02
Yeah, the scenario is a total shit sandwich.
Fortunately, this is pretty much a hypothetical make believe situation since the odds of it happening and me being in it are slim to none.
As far as securing the rifle in the trunk, not everyone has that option. Some of us would have to find a way to secure them in the cab.
mtnrider
12-21-2015, 21:53
When I was growing up we just had our rifles on the gun rack in the back window. That won't work any more? (sarcasm)
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Go watch i70 west and think about how easy it would be to take pot shots at people. A Chilean .308 Mauser has been a favorite TG. Along with a capable handgun to get to the rifle.
The closest incident I can recall that would fit your scenario was the 1993 Langley, VA, CIA entry shooting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_shootings_at_CIA_Headquarters
IMO, the best weapon you would have in that type of situation would be the vehicle you are driving. Of course all situations are unique, but I personally would rather be in the vehicle and moving rather than out of the vehicle shooting.
Just my $.02
I agree with you but I also think you might have missed my point.
First, on the agreement part, I have always said the deadliest weapon I own is parked in my driveway. I have no other weapon capable of killing an entire family with a single blow.
The scenario I was referring to in my original post is one in which a traffic jam is intentionally coordinated. Imagine you're traveling down I-25 near down town when everything comes to a stop. You're in one of the center lanes. There are cars stopped in front and behind you about as far as you can see. You aren't going anywhere.
Now, maybe I can push a few vehicles out of my way by ramming them but I'll never push through a hundred cars and make an escape.
Imagine twenty to to thirty cars ahead of you three people step out of their vehicles with AK's and start indiscriminately firing shots into all of the stopped vehicles.
Like I said, it's a hypothetical situation.
kidicarus13
12-21-2015, 23:02
I have always said the deadliest weapon I own is parked in my driveway. I have no other weapon capable of killing an entire family with a single blow.
1 out of 27 dead in Vegas, I'd take my chances with a rifle/shotgun.
Understood. I like the scenario regardless of how unlikely it may be.
Given your scenario, escape and evade on foot, away from the threat, while using the vehicles as cover. The people most in danger are the ones closest to the threat. If I were in one of the unlucky vehicles closest to the attackers, then the handgun I am carrying will have to do. Three on one is bad odds regardless of the weapon choices, but as you said, it would be a bad day for all involved.
If I were to carry a vehicle weapon, it would be a shotgun and I would keep slug and buck onboard. My biggest concern with keeping a weapon in a vehicle is vehicles are too often the target of thieves. If they get my parked and unoccupied vehicle, I really rather not give them the added bonus of a gun.
wouldn't an AR pistol/sbr chambered in .223 or 300aac be the ticket?
small enough to keep in vehicle, but not sure on the securing method.
scary scenario for sure
kidicarus13
12-21-2015, 23:47
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buffalobo
12-22-2015, 06:32
I regularly have a rifle in the truck (range trips before/after work). I would keep rifle there all the time but fear with my luck the truck itself would get stolen.
My work truck has a good hiding spot that would not easily be found during a smash and grab, but is not secure against thorough search.
The boss has given me permission to build a locking clamp system but it would still not be secure if thieves take the truck vs quick break in.
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hurley842002
12-22-2015, 06:45
Because the chances of someone breaking into my vehicle are significantly higher than the OP scenario, I would prefer not to have a "truck gun". In the event someone were to break into my vehicle and steal a firearm from me, I'd feel pretty terrible if it were used in a heinous crime of some sort. If I could secure it in the same fashion as the guns in my home, then I may reconsider, but it's just not really feasible for me. I'm content with a pistol or two on my person, and a varying number of mags depending on how far I plan on traveling that day.
Marine24
12-22-2015, 08:40
Always been surprised that there aren't more products for securely storing weapons inside of trucks that is discreet. Easy enough to do in a vehicle with a trunk but often thought about stowing an AR and shotgun in the back of the crew cab. I can store them under the back seats that fold up, but they are in the way when I need to store something inside the truck. I would prefer to attach it to the back up the cab behind the seatback, but unfortunately it doesn't fold down.
Understood. I like the scenario regardless of how unlikely it may be.
Given your scenario, escape and evade on foot, away from the threat, while using the vehicles as cover. The people most in danger are the ones closest to the threat. If I were in one of the unlucky vehicles closest to the attackers, then the handgun I am carrying will have to do. Three on one is bad odds regardless of the weapon choices, but as you said, it would be a bad day for all involved.
If I were to carry a vehicle weapon, it would be a shotgun and I would keep slug and buck onboard. My biggest concern with keeping a weapon in a vehicle is vehicles are too often the target of thieves. If they get my parked and unoccupied vehicle, I really rather not give them the added bonus of a gun.
Escape and evade is definitely the preferred option. In fact, you may have just given me my best option. If I'm in the first few rows of vehicles and escape isn't an option, I'm likely in handgun range. If I'm far enough back in the traffic jam I can use the vehicles for cover and make my escape on foot.
wouldn't an AR pistol/sbr chambered in .223 or 300aac be the ticket?
small enough to keep in vehicle, but not sure on the securing method.
scary scenario for sure
Definitely a good option. For me though, I'd rather not use a weapon like that in a defensive situation for the sheer nightmare it would likely be explaining the legality of it to the authorities or in a courtroom.
Always been surprised that there aren't more products for securely storing weapons inside of trucks that is discreet. Easy enough to do in a vehicle with a trunk but often thought about stowing an AR and shotgun in the back of the crew cab. I can store them under the back seats that fold up, but they are in the way when I need to store something inside the truck. I would prefer to attach it to the back up the cab behind the seatback, but unfortunately it doesn't fold down.
This. I have a crew cab as well and share your sentiments.
I've actually considered whether having some sort of Rat Pack built to go in the back of the cab would be a feasible option.
For those not familiar with the Rat Pack, here's the type of thing I'm talking about. The one I envision would be smaller and mount in the cab and slide out the rear door on the driver's side.
http://youtu.be/paqfTsQBA4k
DireWolf
12-22-2015, 09:38
After reading Day of Wrath (trying to avoid spoilers, but there may have been something similar to the OP scenario in that - definatly recommend reading), I started looking into the truck gun concept, which, based on some of the same concerns mentioned (i.e. theft), morphed into looking into the feasibility of putting together a short 300blk pistol/sbr that can be kept with me at all times when out and about....especially if you add in something like a Law gen3 folder, they get mighty compact and portable - like fit in a laptop bag portable. .....
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Fold-up Kel-Tecs fit in a back pack. PCC or .223 versions. :)
7.5" AR pistol with Sig Brace travels with me most frequently.
Built from used parts, I'm not out much money if it gets stolen.
Longer trips, I bring the Tavor.
These short rifles fit nicely behind the passenger seat with the rear seat folded forward in my truck.
In the traffic jam scenario, I would be concerned with the guy three cars behind me, shooting me in the back if I stepped out and started firing on the beabs.
solomon751
12-24-2015, 18:34
Quick question with regards to this very issue. What are the laws regarding the Denver ban on "assault weapons" specifically with regards to AR type pistols. Have had a truck AR for the last few years and was reminded by a good friend of mine to watch out in Denver and Boulder as I might get a cop with a bug up his/her butt who wants to make an example out of me. Looked at the penalties and it's no less than $100 fine and no LESS than 10 days in jail. Ok, so I dump the AR and use my 300AAC pistol. Thoughts? Appreciate any input...
Great-Kazoo
12-25-2015, 12:03
Quick question with regards to this very issue. What are the laws regarding the Denver ban on "assault weapons" specifically with regards to AR type pistols. Have had a truck AR for the last few years and was reminded by a good friend of mine to watch out in Denver and Boulder as I might get a cop with a bug up his/her butt who wants to make an example out of me. Looked at the penalties and it's no less than $100 fine and no LESS than 10 days in jail. Ok, so I dump the AR and use my 300AAC pistol. Thoughts? Appreciate any input...
No bearing on what you carry, own or transport in your vehicle. You are not a resident of denver city/county. A pistol is a pistol, outside the cosmetic differences, it's still a pistol.
Item #2 NO I DO NOT CONSENT OR DO YOU HAVE PERMISSION TO SEARCH MY VEHICLE.
You / anyone drive a vehicle that looks presentable on the inside. Not loaded with empty beer cans, overfull ash tray. One that smells of last nights bong fest. The chances of being asked for a vehicle search are very slim to none. That also goes to how you look, and act while interacting with the LE.
Last item / question. What the hell difference is there in your mind between the 300 pistol and AR? You can have the AR as a pistol, both are the same outside of barrel. Why not have what you feel would be the best tool for the job.
I always thought a Tokarev chambered pistol with an RDS, and hot loaded ammo would be an ideal car gun. Packs like a pistol, 1800fps, zero at 100yard, within +/-3in to 100, low 14in at 200. And its a piece of ruski tech so it's abuse proof by design.
Just need the $ and time.
Check out the Du-Ha underseat storage bin for under the rear seat of most modern pickups. Designed to be a tool storage, catch-all, multiple gun case, or any combination of the above you want/need.
I want one! http://www.du-ha.com
But for a truck rifle, the options are wide open. For long-term or permanent duty, I believe I'd use a cheaper one like a Mosin Nagant in good shape so I wouldn't have to stress over rust/damage/theft, yet still have full-size firepower at hand. An AR would be nice, but I'd worry about it. I've been known to keep an M1 carbine and extra mags in my backseat. With the Du-Ha bin, you could keep quite a selection in there. And you can padlock the seat in a down position to discourage thieves/curious kids.
I have a Du-Ha. Really like it and have had one in my 2003 since I bought it.
cmailliard
12-25-2015, 16:34
Yeah, the scenario is a shit sandwich. If all your other tools have failed (Situation Awareness, Evade, Avoid, Run the fuckers over) and you are in that situation quick access to any firearm is mandatory.
In my vehicle I can access and fire my Glock 22 in about 7 seconds. I can access and fire my rifle in about 30 seconds, with a Magpul 40 rounder.
With the Glock is a Platatac SICC (http://www.platatac.com/platatac-soldier-integrated-combat-cobra-sicc-belt-mk.html) belt with two extra pistol mags and two extra rifle mags. (I love this belt, it now has the HSGI padded liner on it)
With the Rifle is a chest rig (Mayflower) with 4 magazines, 2 pistol magazines, Radio, Flashlight, Multitool, IFAK, and Smoke
This gives me 220 rounds of rifle, 75 rounds of .40, medical, communications, and concealment in a lightweight package that I can quickly put into service.
All of this is accessible without leaving my vehicle. Now once I have it, if I am not already out of my vehicle, I will be dismounting and moving.
As far as security, none of this is actually locked. The rifle is hidden pretty well and a smash and grab will not find it. The pistol on the other hand could be found in a break-in pretty quick. I would like to increase my security and am willing accept a slight decrease in speed for that, I just have not found a good solution to doing that. The Du-Ha is very nice and I am really leaning towards that, but it may put my chest rig in a separate location depending on space in the Du-Ha. Rondog or MarkCO, or anyone with one, do you think you can you fit a chest rig with a rifle in the Du-Ha?
Good discussion
Most certainly could fit a chest rig and a rifle in the DuHa.
Just checked out the Du-Ha for my truck. Don't like it much. Nothing wrong with the product itself, just the way my back seat is laid out with the existing under seat storage I don't like the way the Du-Ha fits.
My truck is a 2000 Silverado Extended Cab, and the Du-Ha for my truck is a little smallish than the ones for the crew cabs. Still want one.
RonMexico
12-25-2015, 19:54
I think a 10.5 Ar is your best option. I have a Duha in my truck and getting 2 long guns under my seat would be a struggle, so I doubt I'll ever keep firearms in it.
Not or a huge fan of this Yeager but here is a YouTube video you should watch
http://youtu.be/zMfQaWW4bgU
A rifle locked in a box in your trunk is worthless.. Not sure how else to do it though and still be somewhat responsible. Would have to have a box inside the cab of some sort and then for it to be worthwhile you would have to take it out and have it accessible anytime you re in the car.
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Didn't Jer solve this issue with the roof mount like 3 years ago?
Great-Kazoo
12-26-2015, 02:07
Didn't Jer solve this issue with the roof mount like 3 years ago?
That was for a Taco. The adults are talking now, about storage in real trucks.
WE solved the storage issue some time back. Picked up a Sienna Mini-van. Plenty of hide a way places, easy access. AND with the right gear, we look like harmless senior citizens.
The seat back for the middle seat of the bench seat in the wife's dog Ram folds down to make a big center armrest....well the bottom portion of that seat is hinged too....AR pistol might be pushing it, but I know two Glocks have been stashed in there before.
Could prolly add some sort of securing method....
HoneyBadger
12-26-2015, 22:21
As Cstone already noted, evading and surviving is priority #1.
Nobody should be making defensive pistol shots at more than 50 yards. If you are more than 50 yds away, evading is likely a better option.
As for the OP's question, maybe a folding stock SBR or AR pistol in a backpack would be best. You can put it in the vehicle before you travel, and you could take it with you when you leave the vehicle so it wouldn't be left there for the taking overnight or when parked in sketchy areas.
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