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Aloha_Shooter
04-13-2016, 09:09
Trump: Natural born citizen? Check
He is more principled than he is made out to be.
Cruz is not the conservative he is made out to be - dig deeper.
More liberals hating Cruz means Trump has a better chance of winning in the General Election.
Either one will be better than any Democrat.
Cruz: Natural born citizen? Check.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/04/nj-judge-yes-ted-cruz-is-eligible-to-be-president/
The Judge concluded, as I did, that there is no definitive answer to the question of whether a person born to a U.S. Citizen abroad is a natural born Citizen, the overwhelming historical and legal evidence suggests that the answer is Yes. The arguments against natural born Citizenship for such a person are speculative and not supported by historical evidence.
Trump more principled? I don't know where you get that. I've been following the guy for 30 years and he's always been an opportunist. There's nothing wrong with that but it doesn't show any great adherence to principles.
I also don't know where you get the idea that Cruz isn't as conservative as he is made out to be. He was arguing for conservative principles from his first day in Harvard Law School according to Alan Dershowitz:
“I was against the death penalty, he’s in favor. I was in favor of the exclusionary rule, he’s against it,” he said. “And he made such brilliant arguments that I never had to play the devil’s advocate.”
I don't much believe polls at this stage but they indicate Cruz beats Hillary while Hillary beats Trump in the General. Liberals cross-registering to vote for Trump in the primaries doesn't mean they'll vote that way in the General.
Cruz: Natural born citizen? Check.
Trump more principled? I don't know where you get that. I've been following the guy for 30 years and he's always been an opportunist. There's nothing wrong with that but it doesn't show any great adherence to principles.
I also don't know where you get the idea that Cruz isn't as conservative as he is made out to be. He was arguing for conservative principles from his first day in Harvard Law School according to Alan Dershowitz:
I don't much believe polls at this stage but they indicate Cruz beats Hillary while Hillary beats Trump in the General. Liberals cross-registering to vote for Trump in the primaries doesn't mean they'll vote that way in the General.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/breaking-new-jersey-judge-says-former-canadian-ted-cruz-can-appear-state-ballot/
Masin wrote in a 26-page decision that the issue of whether a child born outside the U.S. to an American citizen is eligible to be president “can never be entirely free of doubt, at least barring a definitive ruling” of the U.S. Supreme Court.
Same New Jersey State Administrative Law judge who once "ruled" in favor of Obama's citizenship. Hardly definitive, but not unexpected.
Cruz (with help from his Cuban father and Glen Beck) believes he is destined to be President - that scares me.
He will do anything to get the job - also scary.
He's married to a Big Bank exec with some questionable campaign loans still unvetted from said Bank - that does not strike me as "conservative."
He was an amnesty advocate and open trade supporter - also not conservative, but definitely falls in line with being a Cuban immigrant supporter due to his ancestral allegiance. He changed his tune only after Trump got overwhelming support for his stance on these issues.
Before taking a deeper look into Cruz's career, I was a supporter - primarily based on what I thought I was seeing on the news concerning him "standing up for the constitution" in the Senate and such. However, after looking into what he actually supported and his family history (both parents and wife), it appears to me he is just another narcissistic politician - Yes, so is Trump.
The reason Cruz concerns me more than Trump is that I find Trump more honest. I believe I have a better idea of what I'm getting with Trump (good or bad). Cruz however, seems to be a more conniving little man trying to prove something. His pandering to "evangelicals" (still not sure who all that entails) makes my skin crawl, and his public vs. private persona, both in his personal life and political career, leave me wondering who he really is.
As far as beating Hillary, I believe anyone will beat Hillary.
Aloha_Shooter
04-13-2016, 09:56
I find Trump more honest than a Clinton but that's about it.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/11/who-said-it-donald-trump-or-hillary-clinton/
Trump supported the AWB, legalization of illegal immigrants, "progressive" taxation, etc.
I find Trump more honest than a Clinton but that's about it.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/11/who-said-it-donald-trump-or-hillary-clinton/
Trump supported the AWB, legalization of illegal immigrants, "progressive" taxation, etc.
Agreed, Trump is closer to Obama than he is to Cruz.
This is who Ted Cruz is married to:
In 2000, Heidi Nelson worked as an economic policy director on the Bush for President campaign, where she met her future husband Ted Cruz. Following her marriage to Cruz in 2001, she went on to work for the Bush Administration. She began as a top deputy to U.S. Trade Rep. Robert Zoellick, focusing on economic policy. Cruz worked as director of the Latin America desk at the Department of Treasury in 2002.
In 2003, Cruz reported directly to National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice. Cruz eventually became the director for the Western Hemisphere on the National Security Council where she had Rice's ear. During a New York Times interview, Cruz recalled enjoying her tenure with the Bush administration and found her work to be "personally fulfilling."
After commuting between Washington, D.C. and her husband's home state of Texas for a year, she moved to Texas in 2004. Cruz later stated that she did not see the move as giving up her career but as a relocation.
Heidi Cruz has worked for three investment banks, JP Morgan Chase, Merrill Lynch, and Goldman Sachs.
In 2005, she went to work for Goldman Sachs as a private wealth manager. After serving as a Goldman Sachs for seven years, Cruz was promoted in 2013 to regional head of the Southwest United States for the Investment Management Division in Houston.
From 2005-2011 Heidi Cruz was an active member of the Council on Foreign Relations and was a member of the Independent Task Force on North America that in 2005 published a report entitled "Building a North American Community."
Yet, he claims to be an "outsider."
He is in fact, more of the same - dedicated to the Uniparty.
Aloha_Shooter
04-14-2016, 11:44
... and that is the most confusing of the reasons proffered for picking Trump over Cruz. Trump is the ultimate insider -- he boasted about writing checks to get not only access but have politicians carry out his whims. Cruz was pilloried by the establishment GOP that you profess to despise because he took stands and tried to get them to take stands against Obama's budget requests and illegal exercises of executive power. Hell, Trump himself said "nobody likes him (Cruz)" -- but somehow he's an insider because his wife specialized in international finance and was apparently very good at it.
Trump was writing checks.
Cruz is accepting them.
Big difference.
hollohas
04-14-2016, 16:05
Trump was writing checks.
Cruz is accepting them.
Big difference.
There is someone else that you hate that was writting checks right along side Trump...
The BANKS.
You hate the banks for their financial influence over politicians. That's exactly what Trump has always done.
You think Trump can't be bought because he already has money? BS. As you and all the Trumpies keep saying, he is a businessman. Tycoons are all about the money. That's all that matters. You better believe he'll do anything to make another buck. You think that as president he wouldn't use his influence to shore up business deals for Trump Enterprises? Of course he will. I can't think of a bigger conflict of interest.
You're convinced Cruz would be a pawn because of his wife's past relationships with big business and banks. Well, Trump doesn't just have past relationships with big business and the banks...he IS the big business and has acted like the banks you're so worried about influencing politics.
Mrs Cruz just worked for the big money and that's enough to worry you. Trump IS the big money and that doesn't worry you?
With him, there is no more middleman pawn...he is the corporate power political influence you hate so much. No need for a politician to do the bidding of the banks and dirty corporations...with Trump as President, the big business isn't just buying an influence, it's personally sitting in the seat.
Aloha_Shooter
04-14-2016, 16:31
There's another piece the liberal McCain-Feingold fans don't get. There's a huge difference between someone donating because they like the views and actions of a politician and the politican taking positions and espousing certain views because someone wrote a check. Take a look at the positions Cruz has established ... how are they different from what he espoused as a Harvard Law School student when he wasn't getting checks from anyone?
There are other things I'd slam Cruz for like the way his campaign undercut Carson or the lawyerly (i.e., slimy) way he responded to complaints about things his campaign had done. Cruz will certainly drive away some of the crossover votes that Trump seems to have gotten in the primary; my question is whether those votes would STAY with Trump in the General or go to the Dem because ... well, Dem. Inconsistency as a conservative? Playing the money influence game? Political insider? Those are pretty bogus charges against Cruz, especially when coming from Trump.
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Ted Cruz, Dildo Police Officer (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231322)
http://www.barnhardt.biz/2016/04/13/god-knows-i-tried/
Ann Barnhardt (Dec 2012, Colorado Springs)
If it doesn’t start at the 18:58 timestamp, advance to it.
This was recorded December 4, ARSH 2012, in Colorado Springs to a Tea Party group. These people were all active in the Colorado Republican Party. I gave this talk, and they all told me how great it was, and how right I was… and didn’t listen to a single damn word I said.
Y’all ready to listen now?
Yeah, well, it’s too late. Way to go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Iozyg-xs4
Elections. For the love of God, if you don’t hear anything else I say for the rest of the evening, listen to this.
Elections are no longer free. They are staged theater, designed to maintain the illusion of representative governance and to enrich the political class. This is despotism. If after this mess that we just went through, if you do not understand this, you are beyond hope. My God. He threw that even worse than McCain threw it. I mean, Obama – how many different angles of attack could you have just rhetorically destroyed Obama on, and what did Romney do? NOTHING. Obama didn’t even prepare for that first debate. Romney didn’t say anything. Romney didn’t say anything about Benghazi. He didn’t say anything about any of it. I don’t understand how it is that anybody can not fully comprehend that that was all theater.
And then you have election fraud on top of it. Here in Colorado ten counties had voter turnout in excess of the total adult population of the [county]. Not just the registered voters – the total adult population of the county, excuse me, the county. And what did Romney do? Roll over. How can you not see this? How can you not understand? Do not talk to me anymore about elections. There are no elections. There are no more free elections. Just stand over that dead horse and beat it – it is never going to get up. For the love of God.
Romney raised, let’s call it a billion dollars, which was largely invoiced and cross-invoiced to “consultants”. These “consultants” are members of the oligarch political class. These campaigns are money-making rackets. Period. Full stop. End of story.
“Oh, we gotta give money to this person! We gotta give money to that person!”
Are you stupid?
ARE. YOU. STUPID?
All these people are doing is running fake campaigns, taking fake polls, putting out fake data, invoicing and cross-invoicing each other to the tune of millions and millions and millions of dollars. And do you know what they do? They sit back and they laugh at all of you. They laugh at you just exactly the same way the banksters in New York laugh at all of you. Goldman Sachs calls you guys “the muppets”. And, you know, i assume that Karl Rove and that whole oligarch political class feels exactly the same way. You are a bunch of “red-neck hillbillies” who all they see you as is as money to be to be bled and harvested, so that they can set up their consulting firms and then invoice each other for consulting fees on these elections.
My God. Come on.
The political class working the Republican side looks down upon all of you as gullible hillbilly trash to be bled dry. How much longer are you going to stand for this?
You should be done. You should be done with all of it.
Are you really that stupid?
I can’t believe that you are. I have to think that you’re just deluded and just have this false hope and this false optimism. Please, don’t tell me that you’re that stupid.
Are you really going to fall for this scam again? Are you so obtuse that you’re going to fall for whatever bullshit artist waves the Republican flag and scams you out of your money….”
“The clue that anybody is ineligible for any leadership position in this country is the fact that they’re running for office. Do you see this?”
“If you do choose to fall for the bread and circuses again, and that’s what the election cycle is – it’s all bread and circuses – I’ve said this before. This election stuff and politics is bread and circuses entertainment for people whose IQs are on average about 20 points higher than the people who are watching Ballroom Dancing with the Stars, and that’s a fact. I’m dead serious.
If you do choose to fall for the bread and circuses again, you will be morally responsible for enabling the satanic revolution and will deserve every bit of the hell that rains down on you.
I’m sorry, but there comes a certain point where you have got to pull your head out of your ass and deal with reality. You cannot just keep going on with this over and over and over again, saying, “Well if I just give somebody some money and I put some signs in my yard I’m doing enough…”
No, you’re not doing enough. You’re not doing enough at all. Not even close. In fact, if you’re participating in this, you’re part of the problem.”
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/04/16/condescension-bias-corey-lewandowski-interviewed-by-laura-ingraham/#more-115073
The DNC and RNC are private clubs no different from any other private organization or corporation. Thanks to the 2009 Citizens United decision the funding for the private club shifted from necessarily needing voter support, a source of historical angst, toward unlimited funding from Wall Street interests.
In essence, with the support of the electorate no longer necessary, the club no longer was forced to manufacture the illusion of inclusion. The elites can now be as exclusive as their ideology demands.
As a direct consequence, U.S. Political representation radically shifted from away from giving the impression of a representative democracy – to an open and visible oligarchy of monetary interests who now select candidates. Those corporations now openly set the political agenda for their approved club applicants, the electorate are irrelevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0YTKHfyfDQ
hollohas
04-16-2016, 19:42
You keep hammering on the corrupt influence of corporations on our political system yet you are actively promoting one who is not just enfluenced by the corporate establishment, he IS the corrupt corporate elite.
You're not helping your case.
hurley842002
04-16-2016, 19:44
You keep hammering on the corrupt influence of corporations on our political system yet you are actively promoting one who is not just enfluenced by the corporate establishment, he IS the corrupt corporate elite.
You're not helping your case.
You are still paying attention to the OP's posts?
You keep hammering on the corrupt influence of corporations on our political system yet you are actively promoting one who is not just enfluenced by the corporate establishment, he IS the corrupt corporate elite.
You're not helping your case.
Trump's campaign just highlights the corruption in the system. Without Trump in the race, we would have had Bush shoved down our throat, just like we had McCain and Romney.
I appreciate what Trump has done to bring light to workings of the RNC/GOPe.
There's at least 100,000 people who I'd choose before Trump, but of those who are left in the race, I'd like to vote for a non-politician and watch the fireworks.
You are still paying attention to the OP's posts?
[ROFL1]
Priceless
That Ann Barnhardt gets it.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Aloha_Shooter
04-20-2016, 08:34
http://thefederalist.com/2016/04/20/there-are-better-reasons-to-vote-against-trump-than-judge-picks/
Donald Trump may not know originalism from origami, but at least he listened to the right adviser on potential judicial appointments.
I began joking that Trump would nominate his horse to the high court, in an allusion to the Roman emperor Caligula’s (possibly apocryphal) appointment of his favorite horse to the Senate. It was worth a few laughs. Then Justice Scalia died and the speculation got all too real. That same night, February 13, at the GOP debate in Greenville, South Carolina, Trump mentioned Diane Sykes and Bill Pryor as possible replacements.
Sykes gave a speech at Cato’s 2014 Constitution Day symposium (http://www.cato.org/events/13th-annual-constitution-day), the written version (http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/supreme-court-review/2015/9/2015-supreme-court-review-chapter-1.pdf) of which is in the current Cato Supreme Court Review, while Pryor will be addressing Cato’s religious-liberty conference (http://www.cato.org/events/protecting-religious-liberty) in June. They’re not libertarians—few judges are, though D.C. Circuit Judge Janice Rogers Brown fits the bill, and her being a black woman would make progressives’ heads explode—but they’d be perfectly fine in my book.
Judicial appointments are hardly among the top concerns of the median Trump voter, so it wouldn’t be surprising if Trump’s list, whenever it emerges, would be an attempt to placate the conservative legal elite. It wouldn’t be binding on a President Trump, to be sure, but Senate Republicans—“Mitch and the entire group,” as His Hairness has called them—aren’t likely to go along with someone unworthy of wearing Thomas More’s hat (https://www.thomasmoresociety.org/the-secret-behind-justice-scalias-hat/).
See, here’s the thing: if the average Trump judicial nominee is still going to be “better” than the average Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders nominee, there’s still a lot of variance. On a 10-point scale, if the Democratic nominee is an average 3 and a range of 1 to 5, a Trump nominee would be an average 7 with a range of 0 to 10. Then you have to consider the “deals” a President Trump would make: “I’ll appoint your judge if you build my wall.” There are many unknown unknowns here, as Don Rumsfeld would say.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/04/20/post-election-night-debrief-trump-towers-and-cruz-mathematically-knocked-out/
Going into last night Donald Trump carried 758 delegates and Ted Cruz 554. Last night, Donald Trump won 90 delegates, Cruz won -0- (link (http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/R)).
Today Donald Trump carries 848 Delegates, and Ted Cruz still has 554. There are 674 delegates remaining (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html?_r=0).
It is now mathematically impossible for voters to nominate Ted Cruz. Cruz would need 683 delegates and there are only 674 remaining available.
Donald Trump needs 389 of the remaining 674 delegates to reach 1,237 and clinch the nomination.
Uberjager
04-20-2016, 18:33
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/04/20/post-election-night-debrief-trump-towers-and-cruz-mathematically-knocked-out/
Trump still needs 1237. There's also the high possibility of second ballot.
Trump still needs 1237. There's also the high possibility of second ballot.
What do you mean?
Great-Kazoo
04-20-2016, 20:10
Trump still needs 1237. There's also the high possibility of second ballot.
BS. Like trump, or not. If the RNC tries end running the convention to stick someone even they don't like as the nominee. They deserve to have their asses handed to them come november.
This country will suffer (and suffer we will) the consequences of back room deals subverting the will of the people.
I suspect they will have their asses handed to them either way.
GilpinGuy
04-20-2016, 21:48
I suspect they will have their asses handed to them either way.
Me too. And as much as I despise the leftist agenda, that's what they deserve. Assclowns.
System is broken. Illusion of fair game has been shown for what it is..illusion
listen if u get a chance
[Common Sense with Dan Carlin] Show 304 - Speed Dating For Delegates
http://podplayer.net/#/?id=14441191 via @PodcastAddict
HoneyBadger
04-20-2016, 23:52
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/04/20/post-election-night-debrief-trump-towers-and-cruz-mathematically-knocked-out/
Lol
Both the RNC and the DNC have publicly stated that they get to choose their candidate, regardless of people's votes. The GOP is not a part of government, it is a non-profit organization and they can run it however they want. They really won't give a damn if trump gets "enough" delegates or not. They don't care.
HoneyBadger
04-20-2016, 23:53
System is broken. Illusion of fair game has been shown for what it is..illusion
listen if u get a chance
[Common Sense with Dan Carlin] Show 304 - Speed Dating For Delegates
http://podplayer.net/#/?id=14441191 via @PodcastAddict
This is not one of his best podcasts... But it says perfectly everything that needs to be said. His last 2-3 have all been spot-on.
Bailey Guns
04-21-2016, 06:20
I've just resigned myself to the fact that we're fucked for the next 4 to 8 years. After that amount of time with another democrat in the oval office, it doesn't really matter what happens afterwards. At least I can stop worrying about politics. Unbelievable what's happened in this country.
I've just resigned myself to the fact that we're fucked for the next 4 to 8 years. After that amount of time with another democrat in the oval office, it doesn't really matter what happens afterwards. At least I can stop worrying about politics. Unbelievable what's happened in this country.
Yep. This says it all.
COShooter
04-21-2016, 10:10
Focus on local elections. Voting a straight R ticket will keep us in this cycle. Now is the time for a true 3rd party to form. We'd have already elected a Libertarian president if everyone who calls themselves independent or libertarian actually voted in line with their ideals.
I wonder how much the Clinton Foundation has paid Matt Drudge to cheerlead for the Donald?
I wonder how much the Clinton Foundation has paid Matt Drudge to cheerlead for the Donald?
Probably much less than Cruz's wife's contacts at Goldman Sachs are paying Fox and Levin.
HoneyBadger
04-21-2016, 13:36
I wonder how much the Clinton Foundation has paid Matt Drudge to cheerlead for the Donald?
Yeah seriously... Drudge is not even trying to be unbiased. Just plain pandering and promoting.
Bailey Guns
04-21-2016, 14:05
Focus on local elections. Voting a straight R ticket will keep us in this cycle. Now is the time for a true 3rd party to form. We'd have already elected a Libertarian president if everyone who calls themselves independent or libertarian actually voted in line with their ideals.
No thanks. I'd rather see the Constitution Party take hold any day over the Libertarian Party. That would be a party a true conservative could support. I don't see much difference from the progressives in many libertarian ideals. Like the "if it feels good, do it, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else" type of attitude. That's part of the problem.
COShooter
04-21-2016, 17:03
No thanks. I'd rather see the Constitution Party take hold any day over the Libertarian Party. That would be a party a true conservative could support. I don't see much difference from the progressives in many libertarian ideals. Like the "if it feels good, do it, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else" type of attitude. That's part of the problem.
I'm fine with either, frankly. The difference between those parties and the Rs or Ds is simply that they have a desire to do right. The Ds and Rs have long ago abandoned the desire to do right.
GilpinGuy
04-21-2016, 22:10
No thanks. I'd rather see the Constitution Party take hold any day over the Libertarian Party. That would be a party a true conservative could support. I don't see much difference from the progressives in many libertarian ideals. Like the "if it feels good, do it, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else" type of attitude. That's part of the problem.
I have a a problem with some libertarian ideals, but the "do whatever as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else" ideal I actually support. If it doesn't hurt anyone else in any way, what don't you like? That's called liberty and freedom in my book.
Bailey Guns
04-22-2016, 06:58
Because that's pretty much a pipe dream. It's great to talk about...not so easy to put into practice. The legalized drug thing is the perfect example.
Aloha_Shooter
04-22-2016, 08:27
Focus on local elections. Voting a straight R ticket will keep us in this cycle. Now is the time for a true 3rd party to form. We'd have already elected a Libertarian president if everyone who calls themselves independent or libertarian actually voted in line with their ideals.
Yes, focus on local elections but the rest of it is bogus. A third party only ensures the continued domination of the Democrats and their anti-Western/Christian/American/whatever agenda. The GOP itself only exists because the Whigs folded under and completely disappeared. You can take over the Republican Party and win as Theodore Roosevelt did in 1904 but you can't win by fracturing forces -- all Roosevelt did in 1912 with the Bull Moose Party was give Woodrow Wilson an undeserved win.
You seem to assume that everyone registered as Unaffiliated (the American Independent Party is a whole other beast as some idiot celebrities in California just found out) would vote Libertarian. That just isn't so. There are some of us unaffiliateds that think Gary Johnson or Rand Paul are as off their rocker on certain issues as we think Mitch McConnell needs to join Boehner in retirement.
Aloha_Shooter
04-22-2016, 08:29
No thanks. I'd rather see the Constitution Party take hold any day over the Libertarian Party. That would be a party a true conservative could support. I don't see much difference from the progressives in many libertarian ideals. Like the "if it feels good, do it, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else" type of attitude. That's part of the problem.
People are individuals. Some "libertarians" are simply liberals (NOT progressives!) or anarchists who don't want to pay taxes.
COShooter
04-22-2016, 09:35
Because that's pretty much a pipe dream. It's great to talk about...not so easy to put into practice. The legalized drug thing is the perfect example.
What does the Constitution have to say about drugs' legal status?
Bailey Guns
04-22-2016, 14:31
What does the Constitution have to say about drugs' legal status?
You wanna start a thread about that I'll be more than happy to discuss it.
GilpinGuy
04-23-2016, 06:35
Because that's pretty much a pipe dream. It's great to talk about...not so easy to put into practice. The legalized drug thing is the perfect example.
Our laws are so focussed on the gov protecting us from ourselves. They should be focused on justice for those that harm others. Want to fuck yourself up? Fine. Harm anyone else at all and you will be accountable. Edit: That's how it SHOULD be. It's not and that's why it can seem like a pipe dream.
Besides the drug thing, what other freedoms do you think should be illegal?
The whole "if it feels good, do it, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else" needs its own thread - we're way OT now.
GilpinGuy
04-23-2016, 07:19
Agreed. Partly my fault.
GilpinGuy
04-26-2016, 22:23
No comments on Trump's glorious victory tonight? The Assclown Circus (http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/assclownmusic/assclowncircus.mp3)continues. That's what I think of every time I hear some shit about elections. [LOL]
Yep, it's time to get behind Trump so Hillary does not get to go back to the White House.
GilpinGuy
04-26-2016, 22:58
I won't vote for Trump.
Why bother? Apparently it doesen't matter if you do or don't anymore.
Singlestack
04-27-2016, 06:48
Trump was predicted to win big last night...and he did. No news there. Still not clear if he will get to 1237 or a contested convention. Interesting that for the first time in many years, Kalifornias primary actually might be interesting...
I won't vote for Trump.
Yes, I'm getting more and more this way.
In the beginning it was anyone but Hillary. Trump and Hillary are very nearly the same person, progressive, authoritarian, above the law, ignorant, deceitful, boorish. Neither would support a pro-constitution Supreme Court justice, not that it matters since John Roberts was co-opted by the Obama administration. Both want single-payer, both are in the pocket of a deeply flawed financial system, both want to have "the divine right of kings", neither believe in God and country, and the list could go on.
Great-Kazoo
04-27-2016, 08:07
Yep, it's time to get behind Trump so Hillary does not get to go back to the White House.
If she does. It would be the first time a woman has sat not only at the oval office desk, but under it.
If she does. It would be the first time a woman has sat not only at the oval office desk, but under it.
If you mean, at the same time - Yes.
If she does. It would be the first time a woman has sat not only at the oval office desk, but under it.
I'm pretty sure several Women have already sat under that British wooden desk.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
I won't vote for Trump.
Don't forget your ball.
milwaukeeshaker
04-27-2016, 08:31
So who then? If he's the candidate, then what is your ballot choice?
I won't vote for Trump.
milwaukeeshaker
04-27-2016, 08:34
Yes! Too bad most do not understand this concept.[Beer]
I have a a problem with some libertarian ideals, but the "do whatever as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else" ideal I actually support. If it doesn't hurt anyone else in any way, what don't you like? That's called liberty and freedom in my book.
Yes! Too bad most do not understand this concept.[Beer]
I'm still waiting for a separate thread on that topic. Then we can discuss the lack of personal responsibility among other things inherent with "do whatever as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else".
This topic isn't about how most people on this board would behave, it would be about how 90% of the population would behave.
Aloha_Shooter
04-27-2016, 10:22
I will say the same thing to the NeverTrumpers as I would the NeverCruzers or NeverBushers: We cannot afford another 4 years of a Democratic Administration. Trump is far from the conservative I want in the office but he also isn't Hillary or Obama.
BTW, as far as Trump's complaints about Cruz "stealing" delegates go, see http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/04/trump-set-to-steal-more-delegates-in-rigged-northeast-primaries/. Trump is getting more delegates per vote than Cruz and he's getting them primarily from states that he's unlikely to win in the General. Be that as it may, he has a chance to go to the convention with enough delegates to win nomination on the first round. If so, people need to understand the Dems are the enemy and as bad as Trump may be, he's not as bad as anyone the Dems might field. Anyone. Are people still under the misapprehension (confusion?) that the US would still be as bad off if Romney had won in 2012 or McCain <shudder> had won in 2008? Do we understand the long term damage that Obama has created, that Hillary or Bernie or Uncle Joe would exacerbate?
So who then? If he's the candidate, then what is your ballot choice?
Maybe no one. Voting for Trump is the same as voting for Obama in 2008. His followers like him because he isn't a career politician and want a GOP favorite. Those are two things that many people, including myself, have been asking to have for years, BUT it's not enough. Trump wouldn't make a good president, so he doesn't deserve a vote, no matter who he's running against.
There is certainly an argument for voting party line just to keep the other guys out of the office, but only to a point. I'm so tired of believing that my future will be greatly affected by who is in office this term or that term. That is a bullshit mindset that is easy to crawl into at moments of weakness. It largely doesn't matter.
So this is ok?
From last night:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?408722-1/hillary-clinton-primary-night-speech&start=515
"So we wild build on a strong progressive tradition, from Franklin Roosevelt to Barack Obama!" - HRC
It doesn't matter if it's okay or not. I've got one vote, it only counts as one vote, and it's not going to Hillary.
I won't vote for Trump.
I have no idea how I will vote if that Buffoon is nominated. Hillary should be sent to jail and Trump should be going to a sychopathic sanitarium. I can't believe this election and there was a good chance at beating Hillary too. Hell, I could have supported any other Republican candidate including Christie, and I hate that fucker. I can't see Trump winning over the independents so what I think doesn't really matter because he has no shot at winning the election, and we should be thankful for that. I can't believe so many people supported that idiot.
Believe it:
http://theweek.com/speedreads/621022/donald-trump-pace-more-primary-votes-than-gop-nominee-history
Donald Trump is on pace to get more primary votes than any GOP nominee in history
Believe it:
http://theweek.com/speedreads/621022/donald-trump-pace-more-primary-votes-than-gop-nominee-history
A lot of people are as crazy as he is; Trump is the American equivalent of Kim Jong Un and he should not be trusted as the Commander and Chief of this country. I am undecided at this point because I am not sure he is the lesser of two evils, which is really really bad because Hillary is horrific.
Then vote for Melania
http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/fashion/daily/2016/02/24/24-melania-trump.w529.h352.jpg
Instead of Huma Jihadi Abedin Weiner
http://nicedeb.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/huma-abedin.jpg
Aloha_Shooter
04-27-2016, 14:05
It doesn't matter if it's okay or not. I've got one vote, it only counts as one vote, and it's not going to Hillary.
Not going to Hillary isn't the same as voting to keep her out of office. Perot voters didn't vote for Bill but their votes ensured we got Bill and everything that went with him (1994 AWB, extreme liberal SCOTUS justices, decimation and corruption of the DOJ, etc.). Trump was the bottom or nearly to bottom of my list for the 17 original candidates but we cannot afford for Hillary or Bernie or Uncle Joe to continue to pervert the SCOTUS and DOJ and BLM and other instruments of federal power. BHO has done more than enough damage to last to mid-century and beyond.
I don't buy the whole " this country can't afford ."
I see this the same as buying American. I like to buy American, but only when it's a product worth the value; otherwise you're just rewarding mediocrity (at [i]best ). Trump isn't a good product, so he doesn't get my vote. Whoever else is running on the ballot is completely inconsequential to the fact that I won't vote for Trump.
Bailey Guns
04-27-2016, 14:23
Cruz chooses Fiorina as his running mate.
Bailey Guns
04-27-2016, 14:28
That's probably the strongest conservative ticket in a long, long time.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231350
Cruz has apparently named Fiorina as his running mate.
Let me remind you that Fiorina was involved in the destruction of two big American tech companies -- Lucent (completely) and HP (partially) with both winding up with tens of thousands of jobs lost -- many of them going overseas.
To ask her to be your VP is to ask a proved serial job destroyer to be your Vice President.
If you support this then quit your job now because you are in fact supporting the offshoring of your job and the destruction of your income.
Oh, and get the hell off my lawn.
Aloha_Shooter
04-27-2016, 14:48
I hated Carly Fiorina as CEO of HP when I was a stockholder but she has been for the right things as far as political office in the federal government goes -- for a lot longer than Donald Trump. While I am befuddled by people who are willing to be NeverTrump to the point of allowing Hillary to steal the election, I also don't understand any self-styled conservative that chooses Trump over Cruz. I understand Northeast Liberal Republicans that prefer Trump, just not anyone who claims to be a fiscal or social conservative, anyone who thinks the Second Amendment is important, anyone who thinks a SCOTUS appointment is important, etc.
That last quote from Market Ticker is as ludicrous and over-the-top as anything said by Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden. Pure delusion.
Granted, Karl has been a bit off the rails over this election lately. I think he knows it and added that last sentence to mock himself.
Here's a better article as to just why I do not trust Cruz or Fiorina: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/04/27/tripwire-alert-a-desperate-ted-cruz-announces-carly-fiorina-as-running-mate/
hollohas
04-27-2016, 15:15
That's probably the strongest conservative ticket in a long, long time.
Agreed. It's a damn shame its getting wasted on this joke of an election.
milwaukeeshaker
04-27-2016, 15:17
I'm sorry, where did I say "no personal responsibility"? We were talking about Freedom. You know the kind the founders wanted.
I'm still waiting for a separate thread on that topic. Then we can discuss the lack of personal responsibility among other things inherent with "do whatever as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else".
This topic isn't about how most people on this board would behave, it would be about how 90% of the population would behave.
milwaukeeshaker
04-27-2016, 15:23
OMG What a delusional beatch.
So this is ok?
From last night:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?408722-1/hillary-clinton-primary-night-speech&start=515
"So we wild build on a strong progressive tradition, from Franklin Roosevelt to Barack Obama!" - HRC
Trump not earning the White House isn't the same as Hilary stealing the election.
hollohas
04-27-2016, 15:28
While I am befuddled by people who are willing to be NeverTrump to the point of allowing Hillary to steal the election, I also don't understand any self-styled conservative that chooses Trump over Cruz. I understand Northeast Liberal Republicans that prefer Trump, just not anyone who claims to be a fiscal or social conservative, anyone who thinks the Second Amendment is important, anyone who thinks a SCOTUS appointment is important, etc.
This is what I have been saying all along. It's mind-boggling insane.
Hell, Trump is on record saying he'll use government programs to take care of rising student loan costs...an extremely liberal policy.
But hey, the "system is broken so let's burn it down" by nominating the "outsider" (cough, cough, bullshit), Trump.
Cutting off noses despite their faces. Purely emotional response. It's unbelievable to watch.
Agreed. It's a damn shame its getting wasted on this joke of an election.
I see this election on the Republican side as being very similar to the discontents who supported Dan Maes for Colorado Governor in 2014. We will all be sorry eventually, but it will be too late to do anything about it.
This is what I have been saying all along. It's mind-boggling insane.
Hell, Trump is on record saying he'll use government programs to take care of rising student loan costs...an extremely liberal policy.
But hey, the "system is broken so let's burn it down" by nominating the "outsider" (cough, cough, bullshit), Trump.
Cutting off noses despite their faces. Purely emotional response. It's unbelievable to watch.
Like I said earlier, Trump is the Obama of 2008. The idea that Republicans or Democrats are more or less intelligent than their opposites is a lie that is swallowed hook, line, and sinker by both sides. Politicians have known this forever and the battle lines of which politician pursues which voters have been established for a long time. We're in a unique time in history where the battle lines are being redrawn in such a way that temporarily sheds light on just how stupid people are as a group. It's like when the lights come on at the bar at the end of the night and you can see how stupid people are acting for a few seconds before everyone stops dancing and making out in the corner and have a chance to compose themselves. Only this time, the lights came on 3-hours early so more and more people are realizing just how ridiculous the situation has become.
hollohas
04-27-2016, 15:41
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231350
It's interesting and telling that you, as a Trump supporter, post this as a reason to be warry or Fiorina. Afterall, your boy has had FOUR companies go bankrupt. One of those four was partially made up of the remains of a previous Chapter 11 reorganization (The Trump Taj Mahal went bankrupt in 1991 and then again in 2004 as part of the Trump Hotels and Casino resorts). So technically, one business venture went bankrupt twice.
If having previous business failures is reason not to trust someone in the Whitehouse, then by the same standards, Trump shouldn't be trusted either.
hollohas
04-27-2016, 15:42
Like I said earlier, Trump is the Obama of 2008.
I agree with this completely.
Trump is the Obama of 2008
I agree with this completely.
I don't necessarily agree with this. Obama has a revolutionary ideology that happens to be starkly anti-American, but he has a goal of transforming American into something that fits his image for it. Trump on the other hand is a self serving narcissist who I don't think has any ideology except making money and padding his ego. He hasn't done anything for anybody his whole life and his interest in the POTUS has nothing to do with what is best for the country. All the campaign rhetoric is BS. However, I do agree the public interest is somewhat the same regarding the discontent that brought this shit to the surface.
It's interesting and telling that you, as a Trump supporter, post this as a reason to be warry or Fiorina. Afterall, your boy has had FOUR companies go bankrupt. One of those four was partially made up of the remains of a previous Chapter 11 reorganization (The Trump Taj Mahal went bankrupt in 1991 and then again in 2004 as part of the Trump Hotels and Casino resorts). So technically, one business venture went bankrupt twice.
If having previous business failures is reason not to trust someone in the Whitehouse, then by the same standards, Trump shouldn't be trusted either.
Not my boy.
I already admitted Denniger is a bit off the rails.
You may want to read the second article I posted concerning Cruz and Fiorina.
I don't necessarily agree with this. Obama has a revolutionary ideology that happens to be starkly anti-American, but he has a goal of transforming American into something that fits his image for it. Trump on the other hand is a self serving narcissist who I don't think has any ideology except making money and padding his ego. He hasn't done anything for anybody his whole life and his interest in the POTUS has nothing to do with what is best for the country. All the campaign rhetoric is BS. However, I do agree the public interest is somewhat the same regarding the discontent that brought this shit to the surface.
Anybody have a count on just how many people his empire has employed?
hollohas
04-27-2016, 16:03
I don't necessarily agree with this. Obama has a revolutionary ideology that happens to be starkly anti-American, but he has a goal of transforming American into something that fits his image for it. Trump on the other hand is a self serving narcissist who I don't think has any ideology except making money and padding his ego. He hasn't done anything for anybody his whole life and his interest in the POTUS has nothing to do with what is best for the country. All the campaign rhetoric is BS. However, I do agree the public interest is somewhat the same regarding the discontent that brought this shit to the surface.
The two men aren't even remotely similar. The public response and blind devotion to each is extremely similar.
It's interesting and telling that you, as a Trump supporter, post this as a reason to be warry or Fiorina. Afterall, your boy has had FOUR companies go bankrupt. One of those four was partially made up of the remains of a previous Chapter 11 reorganization (The Trump Taj Mahal went bankrupt in 1991 and then again in 2004 as part of the Trump Hotels and Casino resorts). So technically, one business venture went bankrupt twice.
If having previous business failures is reason not to trust someone in the Whitehouse, then by the same standards, Trump shouldn't be trusted either.
No one will hire her since being fired from HP.
http://fortune.com/2015/09/21/carly-fiorina-hp-ceo-business-record/
Trump's bankruptcies (chapter 11s):
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/21/carly-fiorina/trumps-four-bankruptcies/
I'm sorry, where did I say "no personal responsibility"? We were talking about Freedom. You know the kind the founders wanted.
Take it to a new thread.
That's probably the strongest conservative ticket in a long, long time.
Yes.
Agreed. It's a damn shame its getting wasted on this joke of an election.
Perhaps it won't be wasted.
milwaukeeshaker
04-27-2016, 17:02
Not about to waste my time, thanks.
Take it to a new thread.
I don't necessarily agree with this. Obama has a revolutionary ideology that happens to be starkly anti-American, but he has a goal of transforming American into something that fits his image for it. Trump on the other hand is a self serving narcissist who I don't think has any ideology except making money and padding his ego. He hasn't done anything for anybody his whole life and his interest in the POTUS has nothing to do with what is best for the country. All the campaign rhetoric is BS. However, I do agree the public interest is somewhat the same regarding the discontent that brought this shit to the surface.
None of that matters. Obama got elected because he was going to be the first black president and he said some things the dummys that don't vote Republican wanted to hear. Trump stands a chance of being elected because he's not partyline GOP and says some things the dummys that don't vote Democrat.
Look at the pressing social issues we're taking about right now, income inequality, people existing under crushing amounts of debt, only one paycheck away from disaster, a debate about who can use which bathrooms, whom can marry who, etc. If you had a conversation with an acquaintance about your "friend," who had racked up an unsustainable amount of debt, felt they deserved twice the pay for their job, demanded free college, always talked about equal rights, etc, the person you were taking to would assume your "friend" was some 18 year-old still living at home that hadn't gotten their act together yet. Most people don't have their act together enough to consider the finer points of a candidate's platform. This country is on the path it's on because the populace has a difficult time existing outside of a group mentality, not because of who was in office each term.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg5_jhJ1ppk
Repost from Flogger's entry to the funny videos thread.
Thought it deserved a spot over here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYWmhbHtVLM&feature=youtu.be
Great-Kazoo
04-28-2016, 09:08
The bottom line is IF the R's done split the convention and actually go with Trump. Does one vote for him or not vote. I have know some forum members will be voting for her vaginess. Even before T jumped in.
IMO Trump will pull a Bloomberg once in office. However once again it comes down to SCOTUS nominees. HRC gets elected, 2 possibly 3 judges on the court. Shitcanning every hard fought 2A victory, at the very least.
Trump, by some miracle (one never knows) gets the win. Then we'll only see 1 Liberal nominee, we hope.
Rucker61
04-28-2016, 10:25
Cruz chooses Fiorina as his running mate.
Well, when you're getting ready to lay off a bunch of your staff, she's the one for the job.
Rucker61
04-28-2016, 10:27
I don't necessarily agree with this. Obama has a revolutionary ideology that happens to be starkly anti-American, but he has a goal of transforming American into something that fits his image for it. Trump on the other hand is a self serving narcissist who I don't think has any ideology except making money and padding his ego. He hasn't done anything for anybody his whole life and his interest in the POTUS has nothing to do with what is best for the country. All the campaign rhetoric is BS. However, I do agree the public interest is somewhat the same regarding the discontent that brought this shit to the surface.
I'm with you. Trump doesn't stand a chance in capturing the middle of the road vote. He's way too polarizing.
The bottom line is IF the R's done split the convention and actually go with Trump. Does one vote for him or not vote. I have know some forum members will be voting for her vaginess. Even before T jumped in.
IMO Trump will pull a Bloomberg once in office. However once again it comes down to SCOTUS nominees. HRC gets elected, 2 possibly 3 judges on the court. Shitcanning every hard fought 2A victory, at the very least.
Trump, by some miracle (one never knows) gets the win. Then we'll only see 1 Liberal nominee, we hope.
It's a no-win election.
If Hillary wins, the country is going to falter under escalating debt and a weak economy. Anti-gun legislation may or may not pass. The court nominees will likely be activists. However, the silver lining is that the economy will crash when she is in office and the damn dems will get hammered politically. Sometimes things need to get bad before they get better. I believe the United States must fall before we can pick ourselves back up again.
If Trump wins, the country is going to falter under escalating debt and a weak economy. Anti-gun legislation may or may not pass. The court nominees may or may not be activists. The guy is a clueless buffoon relating to what it means to be the commander and chief and knows jack shit about foreign policy. The real danger with Trump is that the economy will crash while he is in office and the Republicans will get blamed for it once again.
Anyhow, there is no win to this election; it is a complete cluster fuck.
Staying home and not voting is for bed-wetting pansies. GET OUT AND VOTE!
Rucker61
04-28-2016, 14:20
It's a no-win election.
If Hillary wins, the country is going to falter under escalating debt and a weak economy. Anti-gun legislation may or may not pass. The court nominees will likely be activists. However, the silver lining is that the economy will crash when she is in office and the damn dems will get hammered politically. Sometimes things need to get bad before they get better. I believe the United States must fall before we can pick ourselves back up again.
If Trump wins, the country is going to falter under escalating debt and a weak economy. Anti-gun legislation may or may not pass. The court nominees may or may not be activists. The guy is a clueless buffoon relating to what it means to be the commander and chief and knows jack shit about foreign policy. The real danger with Trump is that the economy will crash while he is in office and the Republicans will get blamed for it once again.
Anyhow, there is no win to this election; it is a complete cluster fuck.
Hear, hear.
Done Deal.
Let the weeping and gnashing begin.
http://election.princeton.edu/2016/04/28/indiana-may-not-matter-any-more/
Media types want you to get your knickers in a twist about Indiana. However, the data suggests that it doesn’t matter any more. Rationally speaking, it is probably time to stop writing so much about the Republican race for delegates. Also, a moratorium on “brokered-convention” articles?
Today I write about the PEC delegate snapshot. It is based on data posted here. All polls are current, including Trump +6% in Indiana (n=3 polls). Based on Tuesday’s voting, in which Cruz underperformed polls by a median of 4 percentage points, I will no longer assign a Cruz bonus. Note that Trump overperformed polls by a median of 8 percentage points.
As of today, for recently-unpolled states (NE,WV,OR,WA,MT,NM,SD) I will start using Google Correlate-based estimates. Of those states, Trump is favored in West Virginia (34 delegates) and is near-tied in Oregon and Washington (proportional representation). The rest are Cruz states.
Put through the PEC delegate simulator, the median delegate count is 1333 (interquartile range 1304-1339). The probability of getting to 1237 delegates is 98%:
What if we assume that Trump will lose Indiana? In that case the median drops to 1284 delegates (interquartile range 1278-1287). The probability of getting to 1237 is now 97%...
Listening to Mandy talk about The Donald.
If Trump is the nominee the number 1 reason to vote for him is...........Supreme Court
We do not want Hillary Clinton to pick the next justices on the Supreme Court, if you think you're liberties are limited now just wait until that nefarious harpy gets ahold of the Supreme Court.
With Trump we have a chance at pro-liberty, pro-freedom, pro-Constitution Supreme Court justices and that is better than the ZERO chance with Her Majesty. Even a middle-of-the-road choice by Trump is better than Hillary's leftist, communist, activist, racist, retard justice that thinks they are smarter than our founding fathers.
Firehaus
04-28-2016, 17:13
I hate to admit this, but Liberals are smarter than Conservatives.
Liberals get that to win the long game incrementalism is needed when an all out win isn't going to happen. That something which isn't perfect, is better than not only getting nothing, but getting the opposite of what you want which is going negative. (Having the other party get elected)
Conservatives get hung up and squabble about small indifferences losing the game all together, only to say with a straight face that they're better and more principled since they didn't vote for the guy because he wasn't their perfect candidate.
It's like a guy standing on a corner begging for money with a sign that says $100 bills only accepted and turning down anything less.
Then bragging to the other beggars that he only accepts $100 bills presenting himself as being better than the rest of them , even though he ended up with nothing. While they accepted anything they could ending up with more money for the day.
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^ Agree, and you have just perfectly described Dudley.
Firehaus
04-28-2016, 20:39
^ Agree, and you have just perfectly described Dudley.
Yes, but he profits from his action. At least there is logic behind his actions, it's wrong, but it makes sense.
People with nothing to gain that do it baffle me and are ultimately holding us all back.
I'm waiting to see if Trump's rhetoric softens and his intelligence takes front stage. The old clip of him on Oprah is what he needs to embrace at this point to finish the win.
If he doesn't, I'm thinking its a bet between him and the Clintons like this...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dv5G7pTt7DY
Or it's Perot part two. It worked for Bill the first time...
Bailey Guns
04-29-2016, 06:30
Rasmussen has Trump and Clinton even at 38% in a general election poll. First time Trump's been anywhere near Clinton in a poll.
Rasmussen has Trump and Clinton even at 38% in a general election poll. First time Trump's been anywhere near Clinton in a poll.
Since they're pretty much the same thing that means 76% of the people polled are effing stupid.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/28/boehner-unleashed-ex-speaker-calls-cruz-lucifer-miserable-son-b.html?intcmp=hpbt1
Not sure what he's hoping to accomplish. I'd always figured most in the RNP would rather have Cruz over Trump since Cruz is the more socially conservative of the two.
Aloha_Shooter
04-29-2016, 07:49
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/28/boehner-unleashed-ex-speaker-calls-cruz-lucifer-miserable-son-b.html?intcmp=hpbt1
Not sure what he's hoping to accomplish. I'd always figured most in the RNP would rather have Cruz over Trump since Cruz is the more socially conservative of the two.
That is the mystery behind some of the self-styled conservatives who are pushing Trump. I understand why he's willing the open primaries -- he's pulling in people to vote in the primaries who may or may not vote Republican in the general but more than happy to vote for Trump in the primary because they don't care if they get Bernie or Hillary in the general.
When specifically asked his opinions on Ted Cruz, Boehner made a face, drawing laughter from the crowd. “Lucifer in the flesh,” the former speaker said. “I have Democrat friends and Republican friends. I get along with almost everyone, but I have never worked with a more miserable son of a bitch in my life.”
Boehner described other Republican candidates as friends. In particular, the former speaker said he has played golf with Donald Trump for years and that they were “texting buddies.”
But somehow, Cruz is portrayed as or claimed to be the "insider", the "Establishment" candidate? Don't get me wrong -- I think the NeverTrump types are ridiculous as well but I just don't see how someone who claims to respect the Constitution, conservative fiscal policies, national security, or conservative social policies picks Trump over Cruz (hell, even Trump over Kasich or Trump over Christie are mysteries).
milwaukeeshaker
04-29-2016, 09:59
Clinton and Trump the same thing?? C'mon! Not even.
Since they're pretty much the same thing that means 76% of the people polled are effing stupid.
hollohas
04-29-2016, 09:59
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/28/boehner-unleashed-ex-speaker-calls-cruz-lucifer-miserable-son-b.html?intcmp=hpbt1
Not sure what he's hoping to accomplish. I'd always figured most in the RNP would rather have Cruz over Trump since Cruz is the more socially conservative of the two.
If that's what you thought, where have you been? Both the entrenched right and left HATE Cruz and always have. Furthermore, both the entrenched right and left have stated they can work with Trump and always have. Hell, he has never used such strong words to describe a Lib. However, Boehner has publicly trashed Cruz many, many times in the past.
This is the root reason why I simply can't comprehend how Trump supporters think he is the quintessential anti-establishment choice. The establishment folks have stated repeatedly they can work with him and have a history of doing just that.
For a bunch of folks who want to burn down the establishment system, the Trump supporters sure are blind to who their guy actually is.
If that's what you thought, where have you been? Both the entrenched right and left HATE Cruz and always have. Furthermore, both the entrenched right and left have stated they can work with Trump and always have. Hell, he has never used such strong words to describe a Lib. However, Boehner has publicly trashed Cruz many, many times in the past.
This is the root reason why I simply can't comprehend how Trump supporters think he is the quintessential anti-establishment choice. The establishment folks have stated repeatedly they can work with him and have a history of doing just that.
For a bunch of folks who want to burn down the establishment system, the Trump supporters sure are blind to who their guy actually is.
Yep, nevermind the BS rhetoric; Trump is certainly a vote for corporate America and the status quo, which is pretty damn funny when you think about it.
milwaukeeshaker
04-29-2016, 11:08
And you really think there will be change in electing ANY of the other candidates? I'm not for Trump or against Cruz, but do you really think ANY politician will effect real change? Did we not elect a Repub majority in Washington? Have you seen ANY REAL change, or is it just biz as usual and a bunch of BS rhetoric? Repubs and Dems, no FN difference!
And you really think there will be change in electing ANY of the other candidates? I'm not for Trump or against Cruz, but do you really think ANY politician will effect real change? Did we not elect a Repub majority in Washington? Have you seen ANY REAL change, or is it just biz as usual and a bunch of BS rhetoric? Repubs and Dems, no FN difference!
Look at my signature. This is the core of the problem. The people of this country made a choice to raid the treasury for their purposes. The people of the country made a choice to violate the constitution to fit their agenda. Unless the people of this country come to terms with the role of government, then the outcome is absolute regardless of who is in office. Elected and/or appointed officials only manipulate what they have been given on a silver platter.
And to directly answer your question. Look at what happened in Colorado in 2013 with the gun bills; that would never have happened if Republicans at least controlled one house of the legislature. There is a difference. However, there is not anything either party can do unless we correct the systemic problem with the Federal government, which will not happen unless the people of this country wake up to the role of the government. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell of this happening unless we are faced with a major crisis. The vast majority of the people in this country are fat and lazy; we need a wake up call.
milwaukeeshaker
04-29-2016, 12:03
I agree with most of your post, but I don't think the people are totally to blame, they did not violate the constitution the elected officials do that. The power hungry, bought and paid for politicos are the problem, and I think despite what the people want or don't want, at this point with the rigged elections there is nothing we the people can do short of a mass protest, or riot situation. The people of Colorado actually threw three elected "officials" out, right here in this state due to their stance on the gun "laws" and what has been accomplished? Not a damn thing, we still have the laws, some of those vacant seats went right back to the hoplophobe Dems, the "people" spoke but no one is listening. So what would you have the "people" do?
hollohas
04-29-2016, 12:32
And you really think there will be change in electing ANY of the other candidates? I'm not for Trump or against Cruz, but do you really think ANY politician will effect real change? Did we not elect a Repub majority in Washington? Have you seen ANY REAL change, or is it just biz as usual and a bunch of BS rhetoric? Repubs and Dems, no FN difference!
I think some offer a better chance than others. You have to look at past actions as a guide. It's not a for sure indicator, but it's all we got.
On one hand, with Cruz you have a lifetime pro-gun guy who basically wrote the Heller Brief. A guy who wants to shutdown government agencies and has a history indicating that he means it as he is the guy who pretty much singlehandedly shutdown the government for 16 days. A guy who both republicans and democrates hate.
On the other hand, with Trump you have a guy who has supported anti-gun legislation, is on record supporting government provided healthcare, education and higher taxes on the rich. An authoritarian statist, he's on record saying he will use the office to punish journalists who write negative things. And a guy who has personally wrote checks for decades to the rotten politicians that are destroying our liberty. A guy who is supported by both left and right.
They are NOT the same. I simply cannot understand how anyone who says they are conservative can think Trump is the best choice for a pro-constitution president.
Trump is a better option than Clinton and for that reason alone I will vote for him (because I'm now certain he will get the nomination). I understand the cost of losing this thing. But Cruz without a doubt offers the best chance at reining in the Feds. We blew it once again.
DavieD55
04-29-2016, 13:23
And you really think there will be change in electing ANY of the other candidates? I'm not for Trump or against Cruz, but do you really think ANY politician will effect real change? Did we not elect a Repub majority in Washington? Have you seen ANY REAL change, or is it just biz as usual and a bunch of BS rhetoric? Repubs and Dems, no FN difference!
Exactly. Most people have their heads so far up their a$$ they can't see the light of day and are completely out of touch with reality. As long as they have their GMOs, big pharma, their street drugs, booze, propaganda main stream media, and sports The USA will continue down the road to globalism, technocracy, communism, and agenda 21.
In the future to come the most important elected officials will be constitutional sheriffs who are true blooded Americans that understand what is happening to this country.
Zundfolge
04-29-2016, 14:07
And you really think there will be change in electing ANY of the other candidates? I'm not for Trump or against Cruz, but do you really think ANY politician will effect real change?
Yes, Hillary will effect real change. She'll end the constitution.
The people of Colorado actually threw three elected "officials" out, right here in this state due to their stance on the gun "laws" and what has been accomplished? Not a damn thing, we still have the laws, some of those vacant seats went right back to the hoplophobe Dems, the "people" spoke but no one is listening. So what would you have the "people" do?
The Dems lost control of the Senate. The momentum is going against them right now. As long as pot hasn't attracted too many more dems we stand a chance of wresting control of the state from the Dems (or at least the worst of them).
The RNC chose Bush to be the nominee and fielded 17 candidates to split the vote enough to keep Bush in the race and no one candidate able to reach 1237 - then Bush would be nominated at the convention. Just like they gave us McCain and Romney, they wanted another insider career politician they knew they had control over - another Uniparty member.
Trump entering the race destroyed their plans as he gained more votes than anyone thought possible. Cruz was never meant to be a contender - he was only there to split the vote.
The more people find out about Cruz, the more his numbers go down. He is not the Constitution defending crusader his fans make him out to be. Some would say he is not even eligible. He is in fact an open-border, free-trade proponent. He only changed his tune as people flocked to Trump's closed-borders, America-first campaign.
Trump is the only candidate that has a chance at being something different than the decades of Uniparty we've had crammed down our throats. Whether he is or not, will have to wait to be seen. Cruz and Kasich are simply more of the same. Dems, of course, are products of Satan's butt hole and must be beaten at all cost.
Pat Buchanan wrote an article about why Trump's message resonates with so many:
http://buchanan.org/blog/last-america-first-125165
DavieD55
04-29-2016, 16:11
The American Dream ended (on November 6th, 2012 ) in Ohio.
The second term of Barack Obama will be the final nail in the coffin for the legacy of the white Christian males who discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest Republic in the history of mankind.
A coalition of Blacks, Latinos, Feminists, Gays , Government Workers, Union Members, Environmental Extremists, The Media, Hollywood , uninformed young people, the “forever needy,” the chronically unemployed, illegal aliens and other “fellow travelers” have ended Norman Rockwell ‘s America.
The Cocker Spaniel is off the front porch… The Pit Bull is in the back yard. The American Constitution has been replaced with Saul Alinsky ‘s “Rules for Radicals” and Chicago shyster, David Axelrod , along with international Socialist George Soros will be pulling the strings on their beige puppet to bring us Act 2 of the New World Order.
Our side ran two candidates who couldn’t even win their own home states, and Chris Christie helped Obama over the top with a glowing “post Sandy ” tribute that elevated the
“Commander-in-Chief” to Mother Teresa status. (Aside: with the way the polls were run, he didn’t need any help!) People like me are completely politically irrelevant, and I will never again comment on or concern myself with the afore mentioned coalition which has surrendered our culture, our heritage and our traditions without a shot being fired.
You will never again out-vote these people. It will take individual acts of defiance and massive displays of civil disobedience to get back the rights we have allowed them to take away. It will take Zealots, not moderates & shy not reach-across-the-aisle RINOs to right this ship and restore our
beloved country to its former status. Those who come after us will have to risk their lives, their
fortunes and their sacred honor to bring back the Republic that this generation has timidly frittered away due to “white guilt” and political correctness…
^ WOW
Excellent!
Didn't realize Franklin was sporting such a pair.
My hat is off to him.
hollohas
04-29-2016, 17:45
In the future to come the most important elected officials will be constitutional sheriffs who are true blooded Americans that understand what is happening to this country.
This really is our only hope. The feds will continue to regulate away our liberty. At some point, the only choice we will have to live freely will be to simply ignore the feds. Hopefully more than a few Sheriff's will stand between the citizens of their county and any feds who want to come punish folks who ignore unconstitutional federal regulations.
https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/beck.jpg?w=640
It's not likely that Franklin Graham quote is accurately attributed to him. In some of the viral email versions of the quote it is signed Semper Fi and/or a Military Vet.
Watch the globalist players, and follow the money:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/04/29/current-desperation-there-are-trillions-of-dollars-at-stake/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/04/24/the-grandest-usurpation-president-obama-and-angela-merkel-talk-trade-and-immigration/
With the number of powerful people against him, and the amount of money involved, I just hope he makes it out alive.
has this been posted yet?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2016/04/28/national-group-of-sheriffs-opposed-to-federal-government-overreach-gains-size-momentum/
National sheriffs’ group, opposed to federal laws on guns and taxes, calls for defiance
Good read, thanks.
“He said I was forced to choose between obeying the law or keeping my oath of office. He described my problem in one sentence.”
Certain that any gun regulation violates the Second Amendment, Mack said “the government was forcing me to participate in a gun control scheme that I knew was unconstitutional. When all law enforcement is forced into that position by state or federal legislators, which one do we side with? And I believe there is a proper way to conduct oneself in knowing the difference between enforcing stupid laws and enforcing the principles of the Constitution.”
GilpinGuy
05-01-2016, 06:50
"Well the court determined that following orders when you’re committing a crime, or genocide, doesn’t cut it. We say the same thing. Do not say, ‘I’m just following orders.’ Do what’s right. We stand for people being abused. I don’t care if it’s gun rights, land rights, Amish rights, the federal government should not get a free pass and we should stand against their abuses.”
Mack was adamant that “I have never advocated violence. I spent 20 years in law enforcement without ever beating up anybody.” But “when you have no place else to go, when all the courts are against you, all the legislators are against you, where else do you go? I believe to the local county sheriff…and if that means standing against the federal government, then so damn be it.”
Damn right.
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/24a4082cfa63456899bbfb2fe3d0bcd2822de998/c=3-0-2397-1800&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2016/02/26/Louisville/Louisville/635920923817839626-murphy-cartoon-Feb28.jpeg
Fred Reed on the Uniparty:
http://fredoneverything.org/the-mask-comes-off-putrefaction-most-foul/
I love it: Donald Trump’s campaign reveals the establishment for what it is, a swamp of corruption as fetid as those of Latin America. It is better entertainment than Vaudeville. The frantic scramble to rig the primaries, change the rules, and thwart the voters–anything to defend their cozy entanglement of political tapeworms–makes absurd any pretense of democracy.
http://clashdaily.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/The-fat-Lady-Singing2.png
Bitter Clinger
05-03-2016, 18:40
Cruz just dropped out.
Yet, Kasich stays in.
http://i5.walmartimages.com/dfw/dce07b8c-aca5/k2-_1823e33e-6976-4b4f-84b9-4675f57f6049.v1.jpg
Prediction:
Trump will win with more than 75% of the Electoral College votes this November.
hollohas
05-03-2016, 19:45
Prediction:
Trump will win with more than 75% of the Electoral College votes this November.
No chance. He may win, but not by that margin.
Now let's start a Hillary Sucks thread so we can start bad mouthing her.
hollohas
05-03-2016, 19:52
Cruz just dropped out.
IMO Cruz was unquestionably the best candidate however he is doing the right thing by stepping out. I don't like Trump, but he's better than Hillary. Cruz just helped reduced the chances of the convention turning negative and turning voters off. We've got to come out of the convention united. Cruz is doing the best thing for the country.
But the other guy....WTF?
Bernie just won Indiana, and Hillary may be indicted before November.
Either one will be crushed in the general.
California primary may be exciting to watch - probable riot when Trump comes to town.
As I've posted before, I just hope he makes it through the election - angering/scaring many powerful groups here and throughout the world.
hollohas
05-03-2016, 20:07
As I've posted before, I just hope he makes it through the election - angering/scaring many powerful groups here and throughout the world.
You're putting him on an awfully high pedestal to think "powerful" world groups want to do what you're hoping doesn't happen. Every president has been hated by large masses of people. He's no different.
You're putting him on an awfully high pedestal to think "powerful" world groups want to do what you're hoping doesn't happen. Every president has been hated by large masses of people. He's no different.
In the history of U.S. elections, there has never been this much money at stake - across the globe.
hollohas
05-03-2016, 20:12
Now you've completely lost me. What money?
Now you've completely lost me. What money?
The money Hillary will get selling this country down the river.
hollohas
05-03-2016, 20:22
The money Hillary will get selling this country down the river.
If you guys dont think Trump will do the same thing, I don't know what to say. Making personal money on DEALS is what he does. That's it. That's his game. If you think he'll just stop doing that while president, you are misjudging him.
If you guys dont think Trump will do the same thing, I don't know what to say. Making personal money on DEALS is what he does. That's it. That's his game. If you think he'll just stop doing that while president, you are misjudging him.
Don't be thinking I like Trump, I am seriously considering a 3rd party, in my view a vote for Trump is damn near a vote for Hillary, they are that close. All modern presidents reap financial rewards from being president. I'm hoping Trump won't do what I know Hillary would do for a buck.
Sure would be nice to see the Cruz supporters unite behind the Republican nominee.
Bashing Trump at this point serves no useful purpose.
hollohas
05-03-2016, 20:51
I'm voting for Trump.
Now please enlighten me as to what this history breaking amount of money is that is on the table to lose with Trump as president.
hurley842002
05-03-2016, 20:53
Sure would be nice to see the Cruz supporters unite behind the Republican nominee.
Bashing Trump at this point serves no useful purpose.
Just about every Trump supporter I've spoken to, has stated it's Trump or nobody, had Cruz won would you have voted for him? I'll vote for Trump, because even if he's only a little bit better than Hillary, it's still better. Besides, Trump doesn't have anyone's blood on his hands (that we know of any way).
hollohas
05-03-2016, 20:57
Don't be thinking I like Trump, I am seriously considering a 3rd party, in my view a vote for Trump is damn near a vote for Hillary, they are that close. All modern presidents reap financial rewards from being president. I'm hoping Trump won't do what I know Hillary would do for a buck.
I wasn't and wouldn't. It was a general statement disguised as a response to you. I agree with you completely.
He's no different than all the other dirty politicians. I have no doubts Trump will reap as many financial rewards as Hillary. I don't believe for one second patriotism is his main priority.
However, I also don't think he is a progressive. A constitutional, limited government conservative...not even close. But he's not a progressive and that makes him better than any liberal.
Now you've completely lost me. What money?
Start with the career politicians at the Federal level and their relationships with the U.S. banking industry, Wall Street and the Federal Reserve.
Trump has worked within these same circles, but as a civilian with very limited influence. Trillions at stake.
Then there's the relationship between the industries above and their equals across the globe. Notice how the U.S. housing crash and banking crash causes ripples around the world. Trillions at stake
Then there's trade agreements. Every countries economy is now so intertwined that any big move will have far reaching effects. Trump is campaigning on putting America first and the rest of the global market second. This is not how the rest of the world wants us to play the game. Trillions at stake.
Then there's the subsidies the Feds pay out to the eco-scammers while attempting to bankrupt fossil fuels. Billions at stake.
Then there's our crappy neighbor to the South. Trump will cut them off. Billions at stake.
Then there's military spending in/on other countries. Billions at stake.
Then there's our relationship with OPEC. Keeps us from drilling here. Trump will want to change that arrangement. Trillions at stake.
Then there's all the Musloid deals Obama has made over the past 8 years. These people will not be happy when their unconstitutional executive agreements are made null and void. Billions at stake.
I'm not suggesting a President can pull off or shut down everything they would like to, but going against any one of the above oligarch arrangements is enough to put a yuge price on one's head.
Trump has stated over and over that he does not intend to play along. This is why the GOPe wanted to stop him. They are going to lose at least some of their money. It is also why most world leaders don't want him. They have longstanding lucrative arrangements with our Federal government.
It will be interesting to watch anyway.
hollohas
05-03-2016, 21:10
Just about every Trump supporter I've spoken to, has stated it's Trump or nobody, had Cruz won would you have voted for him? I'll vote for Trump, because even if he's only a little bit better than Hillary, it's still better.
This is a fact. I have not met a single Trump supporter that would vote for Cruz if he won. But virtually all the Cruz supporters I know say they will vote for Trump. And this is why I'm glad Cruz is sitting out now. I think he is the best candidate we've had in decades, but with so many millions of Republicans saying they'd stay home if he was nominated, him stepping down is our best chance.
As naive as I think Trump supporters are, they have more on their side of the line...sometimes joining the herd is the best chance at survival.
Primary season is for principles. That's why I've been harping on it here. But the only thing that matters going into the general is winning. Principles be damned, got to beat the commies.
hollohas
05-03-2016, 21:13
...It will be interesting to watch anyway.
I don't actually think Trump will change any of that, but I appreciate you elaborating.
And you are correct, it will be interesting to watch.
Just about every Trump supporter I've spoken to, has stated it's Trump or nobody, had Cruz won would you have voted for him? I'll vote for Trump, because even if he's only a little bit better than Hillary, it's still better. Besides, Trump doesn't have anyone's blood on his hands (that we know of any way).
I would absolutely vote for the Republican nominee no matter who had won the primary.
Though my vote here in the Conservative strong-hold of Teller County is not as important as yall poor souls surrounded by the libs up north.
Great-Kazoo
05-03-2016, 21:20
Don't be thinking I like Trump, I am seriously considering a 3rd party, in my view a vote for Trump is damn near a vote for Hillary, they are that close. All modern presidents reap financial rewards from being president. I'm hoping Trump won't do what I know Hillary would do for a buck.
I see trump puling a bloomberg.
OR................. the last debate he looks in to the cameras. Says to everyone, You want to know something Hillary? Long pause......................You're right you are the best candidate to run the country.
Walks off the stage. 30 seconds later the next shot heard round the world starts, what some may or may not..................
Bailey Guns
05-03-2016, 21:27
Assuming there aren't any republican shenanigans at the primary guess I'll be voting for Trump. What a weird election this is... I'm really afraid of what November will bring.
THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.
The Crisis by Thomas Paine
DavieD55
05-04-2016, 00:28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gedUQ__f1hA
DavieD55
05-04-2016, 00:33
Trump's Silver Lining
Let's check out Trump's presidential qualifications:
• Obama is against Trump
• The Media is against Trump
• The establishment Democrats are against Trump
• The establishment Republicans are against Trump
• The Pope is against Trump
• The UN is against Trump
• The EU is against Trump
• China is against Trump
• Mexico is against Trump
• Geo. Soros
(ESPECIALLY) is against Trump
• Black Lives Matter is against Trump
• MoveOn.Org is against Trump
• Koch Bros. are against Trump
• Hateful, racist, violent Liberals are against Trump
Bonus points:
• Cher says she will leave the country if Trump becomes President
• Mylie Cyrus says she will leave the country if Trump becomes President
• Whoopi says she will leave the country if Trump becomes President
• Rosie says she will leave the country if Trump becomes President
• Al Sharpton says he will leave the country if Trump becomes President
• Gov. Brown says California will build a wall if Trump becomes President
Great-Kazoo
05-04-2016, 01:42
The only way miley cyrus could even find her way out of the country. Would be to have a penis wrapped in rolling papers, pointing to an exit.
On a serious note. Trump has so many rallying against him, who the actual working class despise. It may work to his advantage. A deciding factor, his running mate.
Aloha_Shooter
05-04-2016, 06:51
All those celebrities leaving because of Trump would be beautiful but we already have the example of all the celebrities who swore to leave if GWB won the presidency and then the bastages stayed here.
I would have preferred nearly any of the other 16 candidates to Trump but he has managed the primaries extremely well. What I'd love to see him do after cleaning Hillary's clock is
1) Garner enough crossover votes to clear out a lot of Dems running for Congress or Senate
2) Nominate Cruz to replace Scalia on the SCOTUS
3) Pick a VP with solid conservative credentials like Carson or Rubio
Trump's Silver Lining
That is a big, fat silver lining. :)
RblDiver
05-04-2016, 09:09
I was #NeverTrump before Cruz dropped out. I still am.
#NeverTrump.
I was #NeverTrump before Cruz dropped out. I still am.
#NeverTrump.
Stick to your guns!
That is sure to work out great!
RblDiver
05-04-2016, 10:05
Stick to your guns!
That is sure to work out great!
“If we must have an enemy at the head of government let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible.” - Alexander Hamilton
Kasick is OUT!
John Kasich to Suspend Campaign, Leaving Donald Trump as GOP Nominee
http://www.wsj.com/articles/kasich-cancels-campaign-event-plans-to-deliver-statement-1462376975
Assuming there aren't any republican shenanigans at the primary guess I'll be voting for Trump. What a weird election this is... I'm really afraid of what November will bring.
Ya know, you're right, anyone but Hillary.
GO TRUMP!!
Martinjmpr
05-04-2016, 10:54
I would have preferred nearly any of the other 16 candidates to Trump but he has managed the primaries extremely well. What I'd love to see him do after cleaning Hillary's clock is
1) Garner enough crossover votes to clear out a lot of Dems running for Congress or Senate
2) Nominate Cruz to replace Scalia on the SCOTUS
3) Pick a VP with solid conservative credentials like Carson or Rubio
You forgot:
4) Cure for cancer
5) Everlasting peace in the middle east
6) Perpetual motion machine.
Which, by the way, are all things that will happen before Trump becomes president.
Hope you all are ready for Hillary. [facepalm]
henpecked
05-04-2016, 11:05
heres your trump movie
https://www.facebook.com/DifficultyII/videos/1724369954519312/
“If we must have an enemy at the head of government let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible.” - Alexander Hamilton
And if you would like to know how that turned out for Hamilton (and Adams), here's a bit of history (watch for the repeat):
http://www.presidentprofiles.com/Washington-Johnson/John-Adams-Election-of-1800.html
By now Hamilton was determined to end Adams' political career, regardless of the consequences to the Federalist party. He wrote, "If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures." He urged Pickering to gather as he left office any material in the archives that could be used against Adams. From Wolcott he also sought "the facts which denote unfitness in Mr. Adams."
In July, Hamilton abandoned his plans for military conquest and returned to his law practice. He advised his followers to manipulate the electoral votes in their states so that the Federalist vice presidential candidate, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, would receive more votes than Adams and thus be elected president. His final stroke in this campaign marked the conclusion of his decline from brilliant statesman to bungling, vindictive politician. Against the advice of his closest supporters, he wrote and printed the Letter . . . Concerning the Public Conduct and Character of John Adams . Ostensibly prepared only for private circulation, the Letter somehow reached the press, and Hamilton then published it as a pamphlet. For nearly fifty pages, he reviewed the "great and intrinsic defects" in Adams that rendered him "unfit" for the presidency. The Letter had little apparent effect on the outcome of the election, and numerous replies from men of both parties applauded Adams' refusal to bend to the will of the former secretary.
Maybe Vice President Biden could challenge Trump to a duel. I hear Weehawken, NJ is a lovely place for such things. [Sarcasm2]
Hope you all are ready for Hillary. [facepalm]
Anyone think the Senate will move to confirm Garland to SCOTUS before the election to prevent an HRC nominee?
Bailey Guns
05-04-2016, 22:08
I was #NeverTrump before Cruz dropped out. I still am.
#NeverTrump.
Oh, look. A Hillary fan.
HoneyBadger
05-04-2016, 22:16
Oh, look. A Hillary fan.
Well, that's pretty disingenuous.
GilpinGuy
05-04-2016, 22:45
Just because you think both candidates are horrible and do not deserve your personal endorsement doesn't mean you endorse one side or the other. Jeeez.
I used to buy into the Mike Rosen "party trumps person" mantra but I'm so far away from that now.
Wonder who Trump will pick as VP?
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Bailey Guns
05-05-2016, 06:17
The simple fact is (at this point anyway) either Clinton or Trump will be our next president. If you don't support Trump you'll support Clinton by default. It's not right, it's not wrong, it just is.
http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss349/surfmedic451/Mobile%20Uploads/39898BC5-F9FF-4B6A-A2B2-A19F9093F564_zpszb2jzjgu.jpg
It could be worse we could have Bush and Bloomberg to pick from.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Great-Kazoo
05-05-2016, 08:31
It could be worse we could have Bush and Bloomberg to pick from.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Amen to that. Which i'm happy to say very Glad Bush campaign never got off the ground. RNC hack who 'thought" his name would get him in. His name did get him in 1 place, the toilet.
Donald Trump Makes Huge Pro-Life Hire
http://thepulse2016.com/marjorie-dannenfelser/2016/05/03/donald-trump-makes-huge-pro-life-hire/
By Marjorie Dannenfelser on May 3, 2016
“Huge” news for those in the pro-life movement concerned about this year’s election.
Donald Trump has brought on John Mashburn as his Policy Director. This is an excellent hire, especially for the pro-life movement and our legislative priorities.
I have known and respected John Mashburn for many years. He is a smart strategist with deep pro-life roots. John is well-respected across every issue set. For him, the life issue is foundational and one which helped draw him into politics.
My fellow North Carolina native has an impressive resume. Most recently, he served as Chief of Staff to U.S. Senator Thom Tillis of North Carolina. Tillis, who Susan B. Anthony List and our allies worked hard to elect in 2014, has been an outspoken advocate for the unborn and their mothers since his election.
Prior to working for Sen. Tillis, John served in the leadership offices of the Senate Majority Leader, Senate Republican Conference Secretary, and House Majority Whip, and has held leadership positions under the chairman and ranking senator of several congressional committees, not to mention working for non-profits public policy groups.
Perhaps the best indication of John’s longtime pro-life advocacy is that he once served Sen. Jesse Helms, a well-known pro-life activist and leader of the conservative movement. Sen. Helms fought heroically to stop abortion on-demand in our nation and for the protection of unborn children, mothers, and taxpayers.
If I were running for president, I would want John Mashburn as a top advisor, too. Congratulations on your new hire, Mr. Trump. If elected, no doubt John Mashburn will serve you well as you fulfill your campaign promises to defund Planned Parenthood, advance and sign into law the popular Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, and appoint Justices to the bench who will protect and defend the Constitution.
Marjorie Dannenfelser is the president of the Susan B. Anthony List, a national pro-life organization dedicated to electing leaders and advancing legislation to reduce and ultimately end abortion.
Amen to that. Which i'm happy to say very Glad Bush campaign never got off the ground. RNC hack who 'thought" his name would get him in. His name did get him in 1 place, the toilet.
[Beer]
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rJlWQXLdUV0/VyqxPxp7g3I/AAAAAAAA9-o/10nyOxNr_Kga1qquXN07Znocmb6nmA7GQCLcB/s1600/1%2B1ninetymilesvNp5Z1tqnoyio1_500.jpg
DavieD55
05-07-2016, 22:38
And if you would like to know how that turned out for Hamilton (and Adams), here's a bit of history (watch for the repeat):
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You know, another thing is that many the self described conservatives I've talked with in last year or so have no clue about the TPP nor do many of them give a s--- about what the TPP entails or that cruz supports it as well as voting yeh to give barry the TPA, the ability for barry to fast track his fundamental transformation of America, they think it is free trade, kind of like the sheeple of society believe the Patriot Act is somehow patriotic because a republican signed it.
Great-Kazoo
05-07-2016, 23:14
You know, another thing is that many the self described conservatives I've talked with in last year or so have no clue about the TPP nor do many of them give a s--- about what the TPP entails or that cruz supports it as well as voting yeh to give barry the TPA, the ability for barry to fast track his fundamental transformation of America, they think it is free trade, kind of like the sheeple of society believe the Patriot Act is somehow patriotic because a republican signed it.
America fell for NAFTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_r0RXiGZDM
Free trade? An article from Ross Kaminsky in the American Spectator.
Allow me to offer a few quotes (emphasis added) from one prominent economist, at the time a professor at an elite university, who was lamenting the poor understanding of international trade in the United States:
“Most of what a student is likely to hear or read about international economics is nonsense.”
“International trade is not about competition, it is about mutually beneficial exchange.”
“Imports, not exports, are the purpose of trade. That is, what a country gains from trade is the ability to import things it wants. Exports are not an objective in and of themselves: the need to export is a burden that a country must bear because its import suppliers are crass enough to demand payment.”
“The level of employment is a macroeconomic issue, depending in the short run on aggregate demand and depending in the long run on the natural rate of unemployment, with microeconomic policies like tariffs having little net effect.”
“Trade should be debated in terms of its impact on efficiency, not in terms of phony numbers about jobs created or lost.”
http://spectator.org/articles/65797/three-cheers-free-trade
The biggest problem in this country as far as trade goes is the government and its myriad rules and regulations. These rules/regs have created an artificial market for big business b/c big business can operate in a crony capitalism market where small businesses simply cannot afford to follow all the rules/regs that require an army of lawyers to figure out and follow.
DavieD55
05-08-2016, 07:38
The biggest problem in this country as far as trade goes is the government and its myriad rules and regulations. These rules/regs have created an artificial market for big business b/c big business can operate in a crony capitalism market where small businesses simply cannot afford to follow all the rules/regs that require an army of lawyers to figure out and follow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KseYnvYgxiI
http://www.goodfellowllc.com/free-stock-market-content/tpp-living-blog
DaveD55, thanks for the video.
Great-Kazoo
05-08-2016, 08:29
The biggest problem in this country as far as trade goes is the government and its myriad rules and regulations. These rules/regs have created an artificial market for big business b/c big business can operate in a crony capitalism market where small businesses simply cannot afford to follow all the rules/regs that require an army of lawyers to figure out and follow.
The biggest problem in this country is.................. When was the last time a company exported more than imported.
When was the last time America purchased clothes, steel even auto's from a full on in country industry?
Shoes, [ROFL2] Clothing [ROFL2] The only thing that comes to mind made "In House" are pharmaceuticals.. We have no problem cranking out millions of pills annually. Shoes, i can't buy a pair of shoes that weren't made in China, Indonesia, Vietnam.
Yes there are small companies here in the Good Ol U.S. of A. But there's no longer Buster brown shoes, Fruit of the Loom, U.S. Steel, Alcoa . From Start to Finish made 100% here.
You don't need a pair of shoes! Don't be a hoarder. [ROFL1]
The only thing that comes to mind made "In House" are pharmaceuticals.. We have no problem cranking out millions of pills annually. Shoes, i can't buy a pair of shoes that weren't made in China, Indonesia, Vietnam.
Yup, the costs of production and shipping are much less in those countries, we'll see more of this as Obamacare continues to roll along. I know New Balance still makes some shoes here, IIRC they cost $30 or more per pair than foreign production, I cannot speak to the quality or durability of USA shoes over foreign shoes.
This market activity is neither right nor wrong, it is an aspect of markets that never changes regardless of government interference.
People forget about their power in the marketplace. We hold the power and unfortunately we've used our power to affirm cheap, chinese crap instead of quality and value. In the world of zero personal responsibility, it isn't our fault we bought cheap, chinese crap that broke in month, it is Walmart's fault for making that crap available to us.
Free trade? An article from Ross Kaminsky in the American Spectator.
http://spectator.org/articles/65797/three-cheers-free-trade
You do realize Kaminsky is quoting from Paul Krugman?
I'll let you do the research into who and what Paul Krugman stands for.
You do realize Kaminsky is quoting from Paul Krugman?
I'll let you do the research into who and what Paul Krugman stands for.
Yes, I do know who Krugman is and as mentioned in the article it was the one time Krugman was correct about anything. Krugman possibly could have been up there with Milton Friedman but he chose the leftist path. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
From the article:
the very large net benefit of free trade to a nation that engages in it is largely uncontroversial among economists, at least among honest ones — a group that sadly no longer includes Dr. Krugman.
Paul Krugman won’t stand up for the truth and even so-called supporters of free trade in the current political field, such as Ted Cruz, offer only half-hearted defenses (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/10/ted_cruz_donald_trump_is_right_about_trade_but_chi na_bad_is_not_a_solution.html) of this beneficial activity. (I do credit Senator Cruz for correctly noting during a recent debate that Donald Trump’s proposed tariffs on imported goods will be paid for by American consumers, not foreign companies or governments, thus particularly harming the poor.)
Great-Kazoo
05-08-2016, 13:19
You don't need a shoe! Don't be a hoarder. [ROFL1]
FIFY
milwaukeeshaker
05-08-2016, 14:51
You can't even buy Red Wings made here. They only have one model made in USA, all the rest in China.
The biggest problem in this country is.................. When was the last time a company exported more than imported.
When was the last time America purchased clothes, steel even auto's from a full on in country industry?
Shoes, [ROFL2] Clothing [ROFL2] The only thing that comes to mind made "In House" are pharmaceuticals.. We have no problem cranking out millions of pills annually. Shoes, i can't buy a pair of shoes that weren't made in China, Indonesia, Vietnam.
Yes there are small companies here in the Good Ol U.S. of A. But there's no longer Buster brown shoes, Fruit of the Loom, U.S. Steel, Alcoa . From Start to Finish made 100% here.
Aloha_Shooter
05-08-2016, 17:54
Shoes, i can't buy a pair of shoes that weren't made in China, Indonesia, Vietnam.
Before I retired from the USAF, I bought my last pairs of boots from Altama. After I retired, I got dress shoes for work made by Capps (http://uniform.usmadeshoes.com/) -- their oxfords and wingtips are excellent, only time I had a better fit was with custom-made shoes I had done in Korea. Looks like they only do black and brown now -- probably a good thing as their "cordovan" was an odd shade. You can still get some New Balance athletic shoes made in the US but they WILL cost more.
And across the other ocean, we have the behind-closed-doors TTIP
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-08/obama-ttip-necessary-so-protect-megabanks-prosecution
On May 7th, Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten, or German Economic News, headlined, "USA planen mit TTIP Frontal-Angriff auf Gerichte in Europa” or “U.S. Plans Frontal Attack on Europe’s Courts via TTIP,” and reported that, “America’s urgency to sign TTIP with Europe has solid reason: Megabanks must protect themselves from claims by European investors who allege that they were cheated during the debt crisis. … The U.S. Ambassador to Italy has now let the cat out of the bag on this — probably unintentionally.”
Heard this on NPR about New Balance going against the TPP. It's only a 3 1/2 minute segment but I found it interesting, and directly related to this thread. New Balance brought production back to US to try and win a military contract, then were shut down by corruption. Or that's the way they tell it.
http://www.npr.org/2016/04/22/475311897/shoemaker-new-balance-challenges-obama-on-trans-pacific-partnership
Great-Kazoo
05-09-2016, 00:29
Heard this on NPR about New Balance going against the TPP. It's only a 3 1/2 minute segment but I found it interesting, and directly related to this thread. New Balance brought production back to US to try and win a military contract, then were shut down by corruption. Or that's the way they tell it.
http://www.npr.org/2016/04/22/475311897/shoemaker-new-balance-challenges-obama-on-trans-pacific-partnership
NB probably realized the people who accepted "monetary compensation" for making things happen faster. Were going to want more then NB was willing to pay.
denverco
05-09-2016, 07:22
You can't even buy Red Wings made here. They only have one model made in USA, all the rest in China.
False. http://www.redwingshoes.com/footwear/filter-usa/page-1/maxnum-0
http://www.redwingheritage.com/us/USD/page/landing;pgid=y.9oQI7RkfNSRpvKp1vtKKN100005YZwTzAy
All these boots are American Made with American Materials. There's a couple more pages of American Assembled with imported material.s
hollohas
05-09-2016, 10:25
Davsel, You repeatedly expressed your concern and skepticism because Cruz's wife had loose ties with Goldman Sachs.
How do you feel now that Trump's choice for his national finance chairman, Steven Mnuchin, is a hedge fund manager who spent 17 years at Goldman including being a partner? BTW, Mnuchin also spent time working for George Soros and has a LONG list of donations to dems.
Trump also "loves debt" and says the nation will never default because we can just print more money.
Both total opposite beliefs than the current political establish...oh wait...nope, that's more of the same BS.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/donald-trump-national-debt-strategy/index.html
AND he picked Christy to lead the search for candidates to makeup Trump's cabinet.
But hey, Trump says he's anti establishment, so let's just keep going with that no matter what his history is, what he says or who he surrounds himself with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9mUDSew8Cw
But hey, Trump says he's anti establishment, so let's just keep going with that no matter what his history is, what he says or who he surrounds himself with.
Trump is about as anti-establishment as Hillary. Trump just added smoke-and-mirrors to the dog-and-pony show.
milwaukeeshaker
05-09-2016, 15:36
BS!!!!! Go to the Fargin' store and read the FN labels in the shoes! WTF is everything I say wrong?? I don't give a s---t what the computer says, I looked firsthand for US made boots in the REDWING STORE not on a damn keyboard. They only had 2 models, ALL the rest were made in China.
As for this Trump thread, the reality is that he will be the Repub candidate, so give up on the blah, blah, blah, the wahh, wahh, wahh, dry your tears and vote for him or not, and please just STFU. Stop your incessant whining. Cruz lost, GET OVER IT!!!!
http://webmail.c.earthlink.net/wam/MsgAttachment?msgid=53749&attachno=1
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False. http://www.redwingshoes.com/footwear/filter-usa/page-1/maxnum-0
http://www.redwingheritage.com/us/USD/page/landing;pgid=y.9oQI7RkfNSRpvKp1vtKKN100005YZwTzAy
All these boots are American Made with American Materials. There's a couple more pages of American Assembled with imported material.s
Aloha_Shooter
05-09-2016, 17:45
BS!!!!! Go to the Fargin' store and read the FN labels in the shoes!
The stores don't have everything in the catalog. The fact is, Red Wing offers more shoes and boots that they claim are made in the USA. There's no Altama store that I'm aware of but their boots are all made in the USA. There may be other reasons to hate on Red Wing (maybe you hate Miinne-SOH-ta after Jesse Ventura) or maybe you don't like the styles they offer that are made in the USA but they DO offer more than 2 models made in the USA.
WTF is everything I say wrong??
Good question but you're the one who needs to answer it. [ROFL2]
[Coffee]
milwaukeeshaker
05-09-2016, 18:02
No I don't hate Red wings. I actually wanted to get a pair but they did not have any in the Golden Red Wing store that were made in the USA, and the sales person said that they only had two models that were US produced and they could not get any others. That is what I was told and I figured the sales people had no reason to lie, since they lost a sale due to that info. I ended up purchasing boots made by Belleville, US made.
The stores don't have everything in the catalog. The fact is, Red Wing offers more shoes and boots that they claim are made in the USA. There's no Altama store that I'm aware of but their boots are all made in the USA. There may be other reasons to hate on Red Wing (maybe you hate Miinne-SOH-ta after Jesse Ventura) or maybe you don't like the styles they offer that are made in the USA but they DO offer more than 2 models made in the USA.
Good question but you're the one who needs to answer it. [ROFL2]
[Coffee]
Bailey Guns
05-09-2016, 19:19
Trump wears Danner Boots while he carries. But the US-made Danners...not the Chinese made crap.
Red Wings is owned by communists. That's why their wings are red.
Some, all or none of the information contained in this post may be factual.
That's why you're wrong.
denverco
05-09-2016, 19:42
BS!!!!! Go to the Fargin' store and read the FN labels in the shoes! WTF is everything I say wrong?? I don't give a s---t what the computer says, I looked firsthand for US made boots in the REDWING STORE not on a damn keyboard. They only had 2 models, ALL the rest were made in China.
As for this Trump thread, the reality is that he will be the Repub candidate, so give up on the blah, blah, blah, the wahh, wahh, wahh, dry your tears and vote for him or not, and please just STFU. Stop your incessant whining. Cruz lost, GET OVER IT!!!!
http://webmail.c.earthlink.net/wam/MsgAttachment?msgid=53749&attachno=1
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Redwing stores are hit and miss on what they carry because many of them are franchised. The Park Meadows store is pretty good and I believe it is an actual Redwing Shoe Co. owned and operated store. Learn to shop online man IDK what else to tell ya. I found a last that I like. Anytime I need a new shoe I just order them online since I already know how they fit. I'm glad you looked in the store but stating that Redwings aren't made in the USA anymore is just false. There are still many many bootmakers still producing American Made footwear.
Firehaus
05-09-2016, 20:44
i like pie
Which kind?
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160510/edc2cdc64e494c753ec73f5663b98504.jpg
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/wealthy-cruz-bush-donors-dump-millions-hillarys-campaign/
That didn’t take long.
Cruz donor James Simons, who donated over a million dollars to Ted’s failed campaign, has begun pouring millions into Hillary Clinton’s campaign.
Bush family donors are also donating to Hillary Clinton – the only establishment candidate left in the race.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/05/09/as-predicted-billionaire-ted-cruz-and-jeb-bush-backers-now-financing-hillary-clinton/
When contemplating the “inevitability threshold (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/13/the-gope-roadmap-status-update-and-the-event-horizon/)” we anticipated last year the Wall Street power brokers would switch to supporting Hillary Clinton if Donald Trump becameinevitable (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/13/the-gope-roadmap-status-update-and-the-event-horizon/).
Great-Kazoo
05-09-2016, 23:12
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/wealthy-cruz-bush-donors-dump-millions-hillarys-campaign/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/05/09/as-predicted-billionaire-ted-cruz-and-jeb-bush-backers-now-financing-hillary-clinton/
While i / we know T isn't a conservative. The balls on the so called conservatives, is not surprising. Even worse,is their claim during primary's. To paint them as the ONLY TRUE CONSERVATIVE Running [ROFL3]
We're all fuked if HRC gets the win, possibly so with T. But i'll be damned if these fuking "True Patriots" ever see another penny of my money.
Soap box (FAILED) Ballot Box (FAILED) Cartridge box (one never will know). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
hollohas
05-10-2016, 12:15
Anybody who donates to HRC is insane, especially GOP money. All these so called conservatives switching over to HRC are the enemy.
But I suspect they know where their money is best spent...just like Trump when he supported her.
Anybody who donates to HRC is insane, especially GOP money. All these so called conservatives switching over to HRC are the enemy.
But I suspect they know where their money is best spent...just like Trump when he supported her.
The enemy to be sure...including everyone who votes for HRC.
If I were a betting man I'd say Trump is hedging his own run by donating to HRC's campaign, any good business covers both bases.
Trump Taps Global Warming Critic to Draft Energy Policy
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/whats-not-love-trump-tops-global-warming-critic-draft-energy-policy/
Today the liberal establishment was very upset to learn that Donald Trump has hired a global warming skeptic as a top energy advisor.Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-energy-idUSKCN0Y41ZP) reported:
Republican presidential contender Donald Trump has asked one of America’s most ardent drilling advocates and climate change skeptics to help him draft his energy policy.
U.S. Republican Congressman Kevin Cramer of North Dakota – a major oil drilling state – is writing a white paper on energy policy for the New York billionaire, Cramer and sources familiar with the matter told Reuters.
Cramer was also among a group of Trump advisers who recently met with lawmakers from western energy states, who hope Trump will open more federal land for drilling, a lawmaker who took part in the meeting said.
Cramer said in an interview his paper would emphasize the dangers of foreign ownership of U.S. energy assets, burdensome taxes, and over-regulation. Trump will have an opportunity to float some of the ideas at an energy summit in Bismarck, North Dakota on May 26, Cramer said.
A spokeswoman for Trump’s campaign did not comment.
Another brilliant move by Donald Trump.
Excellent move by Trump - one more thing for the climate change crowd to hate.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/14/23/342D0E0B00000578-3590830-image-m-2_1463265048316.jpg
hurley842002
05-14-2016, 20:04
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/14/23/342D0E0B00000578-3590830-image-m-2_1463265048316.jpg
That pic is giving Michelle way too much credit on the muscle mass....
As a longstanding Reagan conservative, my initial preference was Ted Cruz; yet I would have voted for any of the candidates over Hillary. I held my nose for McCain and Romney, and hope some at least hold their noses and vote for Trump. However, I’d rather you do more than that, I’d rather you consider actually voting FOR Donald Trump. The case for Trump is a good one.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/05/the_conservative_case_for_trump.html
Something to read.
Now that's funny:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/trump-judges-list-includes-former-wife-leading-nevertrumper/
Hah! TRUMP’S JUDGES LIST Includes Former Wife of Leading #NeverTrumper
Jim Hoft (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/author/jim-hoft/) May 18th, 2016 2:42 pm 29 Comments (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/trump-judges-list-includes-former-wife-leading-nevertrumper/#disqus_thread)
BRILLIANT!
Donald Trump released a list of judges (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/donald-trump-releases-list-judges-consider-supreme-court/) today he would consider as possible Supreme Court nominees.
http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/dianne-sykes.jpgDiane Sykes from Wisconsin
Trump’s picks include (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/donald-trump-releases-list-judges-consider-supreme-court/) Steven Colloton of Iowa, Allison Eid of Colorado and Raymond Gruender of Missouri.
Also on the list are: Thomas Hardiman of Pennsylvania, Raymond Kethledge of Michigan, Joan Larsen of Michigan, Thomas Lee of Utah, William Pryor of Alabama, David Stras of Minnesota,Diane Sykes of Wisconsin and Don Willett of Texas.
Trump had previously named Pryor and Sykes as examples of kind of justices he would choose.
Judge Diane Sykes, from Wisconsin, is the former wife (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_S._Sykes) of #NeverTrump leader radio host Charlie Sykes.
Charlie Sykes was invited on The Kelly File to diss Trump in early May.
It looks like Donald Trump gets the last laugh.
Bailey Guns
05-18-2016, 16:28
If I were a "never Trump-er", after this list I'd have to seriously reconsider. Especially when I contrasted Trump's list with a likely Clinton list of potential justices.
http://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Screen-Shot-2016-05-18-at-4.44.14-PM-482x650.png
nogaroheli
05-19-2016, 16:49
I have incredible doubts that list is anything more than bait to get conservatives to get behind him. I would wager all the money that nobody from that list makes it into the court.
hollohas
05-19-2016, 17:46
I have incredible doubts that list is anything more than bait to get conservatives to get behind him. I would wager all the money that nobody from that list makes it into the court.
My thoughts exactly.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChpN1kTWkAAligj.jpg
Jeffrey Lebowski
05-22-2016, 09:33
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChpN1kTWkAAligj.jpg
It is a cute meme, but as bad of a businessman as Trump is, this point isn't even close between him an HRC. Beyond campaign workers and house servants, has HRC ever created a job in her life? No, but she has destroyed many.
hollohas
05-27-2016, 21:11
After saying for a week he wanted to debate Burn, as soon as Burn agrees, he backs out???? WTF? Trumps says it's because Burn is in 2nd place although Burn has always been in 2nd place and he certainly was in 2nd place when Trump started calling for the debate.
He basically picked a fight with someone whom he thought wouldn't stand up but when Burn did, he then decides it's not worth it? Typical school yard bully BS. Makes a person wonder if he'll stand up and go through with any of the hot air he's been pushing or if he'll back down at the first sign of resistance like he did tonight.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/27/trump-nixes-proposed-debate-with-sanders.html
Donald Trump announced late Friday that he no longer wants to debate Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, after saying earlier this week he’d be willing to do it.
In a written statement, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee cited the “rigged” Democratic process – along with the fact that Sanders is almost certain to finish as their runner-up, and complaints about whether enough of the proceeds would go to charity – in turning down the debate proposal.
“Based on the fact that the Democratic nominating process is totally rigged and Crooked Hillary Clinton and Deborah Wasserman Schultz will not allow Bernie Sanders to win, and now that I am the presumptive Republican nominee, it seems inappropriate that I would debate the second place finisher,” Trump said.
After saying for a week he wanted to debate Burn, as soon as Burn agrees, he backs out???? WTF? Trumps says it's because Burn is in 2nd place although Burn has always been in 2nd place and he certainly was in 2nd place when Trump started calling for the debate.
He basically picked a fight with someone whom he thought wouldn't stand up but when Burn did, he then decides it's not worth it? Typical school yard bully BS. Makes a person wonder if he'll stand up and go through with any of the hot air he's been pushing or if he'll back down at the first sign of resistance like he did tonight.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/27/trump-nixes-proposed-debate-with-sanders.html
That is one way to look at it. Here's another:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/05/27/oh-snap-dnc-leadership-starts-freaking-out-as-tech-company-puts-up-10-million-for-trump-sanders-debate/
https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/trump-statement-debate.jpg?w=640
(link) (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-debating-bernie-sanders)
Unfortunately (because many of us wanted the alternate), the smart play argument won out.
By candidate Donald Trump initially entertaining the Sanders invite the media storm elevated Sanders California profile. As a consequence, by declining the debate Trump initiates a sympathetic energy release amid the electorate toward Bernie which will, most assuredly, ensure Sanders wins the California primary against Clinton.
The long game of Clinton’s nominee marginalization is better served with Sanders winning the CA primary. A well played maneuver of strategic political chess.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/05/28/donald-trump-will-attend-rolling-thunder-memorial-weekend-event-sunday-in-dc/
Donald Trump Will Attend Rolling Thunder Memorial Weekend Event, Sunday In DC… (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/05/28/donald-trump-will-attend-rolling-thunder-memorial-weekend-event-sunday-in-dc/)Posted on May 28, 2016 (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/05/28/donald-trump-will-attend-rolling-thunder-memorial-weekend-event-sunday-in-dc/) by sundance (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/author/sundancecracker/)
(Via Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-05-26/trump-to-celebrate-memorial-day-weekend-at-huge-biker-gathering)) Donald Trump is planning a Memorial Day weekend visit with one of his favorite constituencies: bikers.
As motorcyclists stream into the nation’s capital for Rolling Thunder (http://rollingthunderrun.com/), their largest annual gathering, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee is planning an appearance on Sunday, campaign spokeswoman Hope Hicks said.
https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/bikers-for-trump-1.jpg?w=640
“I am doing it in honor of the great bikers who have been totally supportive of my campaign and now I want to be supportive of them,” Trump said in a statement to Bloomberg Politics. “I look forward to it!”
Aloha_Shooter
05-28-2016, 11:29
I still have my reservations and am skeptical about his newfound conservatism but Trump is playing the media like Itzhak Perlman on a violin. I'm not happy about getting another big government Republican but it beats the anti-Constiution Obamas, Clintons, and Sanders of the world.
http://chicagoboyz.net/wp-content/uploads/GOP-Elephant-MAGA-500x481.jpg
http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/category/elections
Trump's June 13 speech transcript:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-addresses-terrorism-immigration-and-national-security
America must unite the whole civilized world in the fight against Islamic terrorism, just like we did against communism in the Cold War.
Aloha_Shooter
06-20-2016, 19:18
http://www.npr.org/2016/06/20/482859841/man-arrested-at-rally-wanted-to-shoot-and-kill-trump-court-documents-show
Most amazing part about this story is that NPR actually reported on a left-wing Brit wanting to shoot Trump ...
Great-Kazoo
06-20-2016, 19:39
http://www.npr.org/2016/06/20/482859841/man-arrested-at-rally-wanted-to-shoot-and-kill-trump-court-documents-show
Most amazing part about this story is that NPR actually reported on a left-wing Brit wanting to shoot Trump ...
Only because there was a gun involved .
kidicarus13
06-20-2016, 22:29
http://www.npr.org/2016/06/20/482859841/man-arrested-at-rally-wanted-to-shoot-and-kill-trump-court-documents-show
Most amazing part about this story is that NPR actually reported on a left-wing Brit wanting to shoot Trump ...
"after trying to grab a police officer's gun intended to 'shoot and kill' the Republican presidential nominee"
...is not a real plan.
The man facing charges for attempting to grab a police officer’s gun so he could allegedly shoot candidate Donald Trump is in the United States illegally.
He had overstayed his visa from the United Kingdom. That information came out during his arraignment at U.S. District Court Monday afternoon.
AP Reports an Assassination Attempt on Donald Trump by Illegal Alien (http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/53154.html)
http://chicagoboyz.net/
Understanding Donald Trump’s “America First” Economic Proposals… (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/06/21/understanding-donald-trumps-america-first-economic-proposals/)
hollohas
06-21-2016, 11:17
Calling that an "assassination attempt" is a bit of a stretch.
Calling that an "assassination attempt" is a bit of a stretch.
How so?
hollohas
06-21-2016, 12:31
He attempted to steal a gun. He never actually attempted to harm Trump. Attempted theft does not equal attempted assassination.
He never even came close to attempting to harm him.
This dude is obviously insane. But there is no way he gets convicted of attempted murder.
He attempted to steal a gun. He never actually attempted to harm Trump. Attempted theft does not equal attempted assassination.
He never even came close to attempting to harm him.
This dude is obviously insane. But there is no way he gets convicted of attempted murder.
He was stopped in the act of trying to assassinate Trump. He was near enough to take the shot and had his hands on a cop's gun in order to take the shot.
He has confessed to his intentions.
At what point would it be considered an assassination attempt? When he aims? When he takes the shot?
What if he had somehow brought in his own gun and was stopped as he drew it from his pocket. Would that be considered an assassination attempt?
Not worth arguing about, just curious as to where you draw the line.
I suspect he'll be shipped back to the UK at taxpayer's expense and that will be the last we hear of it.
ETA: http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/attempted-murder-lawyers.html
What Is Attempted Murder?
The definition for attempted murder occurs when an individual has an actual intent to carry out a murder or killing of another and takes a substantial step toward the commission of that the killing. The crime of attempted murder will be committed even though the actual killing did not occurred and the defendant failed to complete the crime. Some states will charge a defendant for attempted murder even if the defendant had the intent to commit the murder and started preparation to commit the crime.
Because attempt crimes are always incomplete because the actual crime falls short, establishing intent that the person had the mindset of completing the intended crime is the main element to secure a conviction.
Elements of Attempted Murder
Attempted murder is a very serious criminal charge. To be convicted of attempted murder, prosecutors must be able to prove:
Deliberate or reckless behavior with extreme disregard for human life
An intention to actually kill someone
Substantial evidence that considerable steps were made to commit murder
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/arrest-sandford-trump-shooting-plan-1.3644760
A complaint filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Nevada charges Sandford, 20, with an act of violence on restricted grounds.
He'll probably be given a cabinet post in the next Clinton administration...
Great-Kazoo
06-21-2016, 15:08
He attempted to steal a gun. He never actually attempted to harm Trump. Attempted theft does not equal attempted assassination.
He never even came close to attempting to harm him.
This dude is obviously insane. But there is no way he gets convicted of attempted murder.
The headlines would read
RIGHT WING GUN OWNERS CLINTON ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT FOILED.
If this happened at a HRC rally. You bet there would be wall - wall coverage. Right down to his school year babysitters.
hurley842002
07-15-2016, 10:31
Didn't see anything about this on the forum:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/15/trump-names-pence-as-running-mate.html
I know nothing about the guy, didn't even recognize his name.
He attempted to steal a gun. He never actually attempted to harm Trump. Attempted theft does not equal attempted assassination.
He never even came close to attempting to harm him.
This dude is obviously insane. But there is no way he gets convicted of attempted murder.
I'm sure this High School Honor Student was going to only steal this cops gun.
https://youtu.be/WEpj5anY2vg
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Pence is the VP choice, does Pence carry?
Pence is the VP choice, does Pence carry?
Not sure if he personally carries, but he has a good record on the 2nd Amendment:
http://www.inquisitr.com/3313282/indiana-governor-mike-pence-where-does-trumps-vp-pick-stand-on-gun-control/
https://www.romper.com/p/what-are-mike-pences-views-on-gun-control-he-has-a-from-the-nra-14355
http://www.range365.com/where-trump-vp-candidate-mike-pence-stands-on-guns
Pence is a believer that gun ownership increases public safety. He was quoted in the 2016 State of the State speech to the Indiana legislature on Jan. 12 as saying, “In the wake of the terrorist attack on a recruiting station in Chattanooga, Tennessee, I'm proud to say that Indiana was among the first states to allow our National Guard to carry firearms at all recruiting stations. Hoosiers know firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens--including our National Guard--makes our communities more safe, not less safe. Indiana will always defend the right to keep and bear arms.”He also voted yes for a bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against gun manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages resulting from the misuse of their products by others. It’s basically the opposite of Hillary Clinton’s position that gun makers and sellers should be open to lawsuits from say the victims of crimes committed with their products.
Not surprisingly, he has an A rating from the NRA, indicating an extended pro-gun rights voting record, the site says.
Pence also signed HR 197&S.845, which establishes a national standard for concealed carry by non-residents. Basically, the bill says that if you have a concealed carry permit in one state, and aren’t prohibited by any federal laws from possessing a firearm, then you can carry in any other state—a sort of blanket reciprocity.
He has also commended the NRA for its development of the Eddie Eagle GunSafe Program, which has taught 23,000,000 children gun safety.
Some other pro-gun actions Pence has taken:
Co-sponsored Firearms Interstate Commerce Reform Act, which loosened restrictions on interstate gun purchases.
Co-Sponsored the Veteran’s Heritage Firearms Act, which allows veterans to register unlicensed firearms acquired abroad.
Co-sponsored a bill banning gun registration and trigger lock law in Washington D.C.
I haven't looked at this post in a while. Glad to see many of you have seen the light. Sorry to see that a few of you will make like you pull for the GOP, but like last time, will pull for socialism. You know who you are... Sleeper cells[beatdeadhorse]
kidicarus13
07-20-2016, 14:57
There are only 2 choices for POTUS this upcoming election. Vote wisely.
It's like trying to decide which STD you want to share with your children.
Trump Biography played at the RNC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BJ-zP0ljAc
Excellent speech by Laura Ingraham at the RNC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoaDTGbqN7A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42418toh02M
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