Cops shot at Dallas BLM protest

[jslo]

Appears officers down in the Dallas protest

[KestrelBike]

It's going down in Dallas. 3 cops were down on the ground, one appeared unresponsive, another was struggling, another looked to be unresponsive but had 2 other cops attending him. Next to the first prostate cop was the squad car that had the front quarter bashed in apparently, hit and run?

Cops have guns drawn. Shots fired.

[Irving]

Wife says a police officer killed in Dallas.

[KestrelBike]

Damn. Cops are saying "someone has a rifle".

Eta: two police officers shot according to DPD. When fox showed the previously-live footage, they cut away from the footage right before it showed the police on the ground.

[Irving]

My wife is freaking out and crying as events turn South because of this.

[Bailey Guns]

Ugly, ugly, ugly. I don't even know what to say. I feel for the officers in Dallas.

[Honey Badger282.8]

Those pictures don't prove anything though. The second picture labled, "This proves he was a crip," where he was dressed in patterned shirt and flipping off the camera made me laugh out loud.

Agreed on that part. The author of the site got a bit liberal with his interpretation of the pictures. I will say that the pictures do show him in a bit different light that what most reports do, still nothing that I'd say is criminal. The photos from Lavishes Facebook on the other hand, not so much. Plus, everything on her profile before the shooting has been set to private.

[Bailey Guns]

Ya know, I just watched video of a black officer trying to escort a black man out of the area where the shooting took place in Dallas. The guy was on his phone and talking shit to the the officer like he's just entitled to do whatever the fuck he wants. Now he'll probably go tell all his friends how the cops dissed him.

If you want respect, give respect. I don't care who you are or what color you are. And frankly, until a large portion of the black community figures this out, they aren't going to get the respect they're demanding.

[Bailey Guns]

I fully expect the Racist in Chief to announce his support of the shot DPD officers any moment now. [/sarcasm]

[roberth]

Dallas scanner - http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/5319

Live reports - http://dfw.cbslocal.com/show/cbs-11-live-video/

[Irving]

That's true, but every once in a while the hurt feelings of both sides reach critical mass before anyone figures that out. It's a real shame. We can see from the media that the black community, and from on here that the police, are both feeling targeted by each other and it makes a pretty difficult environment to descalate at any time.

[KestrelBike]

Alleged eye-witness claims some protestors were open carrying rifles ("assault rifles"). The eye-witness claims he told some of those guys to ditch their rifles so they would not be confused by the cops as an aggressor.

Thoughts out to the cops apparently gunned down

This will only be bad for 2A. New panic cooking right up.

[Bailey Guns]

I don't disagree, Irving. The difference is, the black community is supported at the highest levels, regardless of who they are. Police are not.

[Bailey Guns]

Alleged eye-witness claims some protestors were open carrying rifles ("assault rifles"). The eye-witness claims he told some of those guys to ditch their rifles so they would not be confused by the cops as an aggressor.

Thoughts out to the cops apparently gunned down

This will only be bad for 2A. New panic cooking right up.

Obviously I can't dispute that. But let's just say I'm skeptical.

[Irving]

Alleged eye-witness claims some protestors were open carrying rifles ("assault rifles"). The eye-witness claims he told some of those guys to ditch their rifles so they would not be confused by the cops as an aggressor.

Thoughts out to the cops apparently gunned down

This will only be bad for 2A. New panic cooking right up.

Thought about that, but extremely easy for the protesters to spin into the idea that they are being prevented from protecting themselves from an over reaching government. This is possibly the perfect argument for the 2nd Amendment, even though it is only half relevant.

[jslo]

The "eyewitness" also said it was like the shots were fired at them

[Bailey Guns]

Actually, I just saw the guy that said that. I think I misunderstood. It sounded like he encountered them after the shooting, not before like I thought.

[KestrelBike]

Obviously I can't dispute that. But let's just say I'm skeptical.
Oh for sure, I'm just writing what I hear on the TV.

However, I've seen media previously of BLM protestors open carrying ARs at rallies exactly like this one. Civilians carrying rifles do not want to be confused as an aggressor when authorities are responding to a gunman with a rifle.

[Irving]

I don't disagree, Irving. The difference is, the black community is supported at the highest levels, regardless of who they are. Police are not.

I've never been a police officer, but even with the president frequently commenting on Police vs. Whoever issues, there is no question the police still have the better position. I'm not saying that out of ire, but the POTUS giving some quip about if he had a son, etc, doesn't hold a candle to the benefit of the doubt that the police get in investigations and courts.

I say all that completely without any suggestion of whether it is "right" or not. That's just the way it is.

[Bailey Guns]

I hear a guy on TV saying black people are angry. Yeah? Well I'm angry, too, at what's going on with our government. I don't go around shooting cops...or anyone else for that matter. What's it gonna look like when guys like me get angry enough to do that? Just a question to provoke thought...nothing more. I'm not looking forward to that or saying it's right. It would just be so easy for things to get outta hand. It's a little frightening to see this happening.

[Joe_K]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160708/3dcd1e5f2ea8391e14c66155a3b1a650.jpg

Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

[Dave_L]

I don't even know anymore...

http://fox43.com/2016/07/07/multiple-officers-shot-at-black-lives-matter-protest-in-dallas/

[hurley842002]

And now somebody shot two cops near Dallas at a protest.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/07/two-police-officers-reportedly-shot-during-dallas-protest.html

Try to keep up....

[hurley842002]

Protests in Denver, my brother's girlfriend is in town on business and stuck right in the middle of it.

[hollohas]

Wonder what time tomorrow we'll see the Bama press conference telling the world that American has a problem with black lives matter folks kiling the police....

[buffalobo]

Over 55,000 listening on scanner.

[SideShow Bob]

Thank you !

Now the Mods just need to move the last 3 pages of "Another police shooting......" Thread to this one.

[Bailey Guns]

I've never been a police officer, but even with the president frequently commenting on Police vs. Whoever issues, there is no question the police still have the better position. I'm not saying that out of ire, but the POTUS giving some quip about if he had a son, etc, doesn't hold a candle to the benefit of the doubt that the police get in investigations and courts.

I say all that completely without any suggestion of whether it is "right" or not. That's just the way it is.

I'm not sure about police having a better position. We've seen time and again some black thug who's been shot by the police, rightfully so (like Michael Brown), treated like a damn saint by the media and politicians from the outset before the facts are even known. Every cop out there has a target on his/her chest and the thugs, the media and politicians are all taking aim.

[buffalobo]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160708/3dcd1e5f2ea8391e14c66155a3b1a650.jpg



Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi


Edit "may be" to "are"

[GilpinGuy]

Almost 4 months till the election. Perfect time for a race war, no? The left will try thier best to recruit voters because of this. You'll see it tomorrow AM.

[Dave_L]

The governor said race played a part in this at a press conference.

[Gman]

Early in my life, I sought a career in law enforcement. Even applied and interviewed with Dallas PD, but I was the wrong sex and race. I'm so grateful that I ultimately took a different career path. The deck definitely seems stacked against LEOs these days.

[Irving]

I'm not sure about police having a better position. We've seen time and again some black thug who's been shot by the police, rightfully so (like Michael Brown), treated like a damn saint by the media and politicians from the outset before the facts are even known. Every cop out there has a target on his/her chest and the thugs, the media and politicians are all taking aim.

I heard today that roughly 3 people a day are killed by police. Surely most of those are justified shootings, but with those kinds of numbers compared to a handful of BLM flare up cases a year, police office statistically have the better hand. Not saying it shouldn't be that way, but it is what it is. Honestly, it's tough for me to relate. I'm WAAAAY less afraid of police than my wife is.

[Bailey Guns]

Early in my life, I sought a career in law enforcement. Even applied and interviewed with Dallas PD, but I was the wrong sex and race. I'm so grateful that I ultimately took a different career path. The deck definitely seems stacked against LEOs these days.

I had an offer of employment from DPD in 1992. I, too, am glad I didn't take it.

[SideShow Bob]

Umm, there is a thread now for the Dallas shooting..........

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/157205-Cops-shot-at-Dallas-BLM-protest

[Gman]

Edit "may be" to "are"
Your edit is grammatically correct, but "We are be nuts." has a certain ring to it.


I had an offer of employment from DPD in 1992. I, too, am glad I didn't take it.
I think my interview was around 1990.

[hollohas]

Well I'm angry, too, at what's going on with our government. I don't go around shooting cops...or anyone else for that matter. What's it gonna look like when guys like me get angry enough to do that? Just a question to provoke thought...nothing more. I'm not looking forward to that or saying it's right. It would just be so easy for things to get outta hand. It's a little frightening to see this happening.

Quoting because it does indeed provoke thought.

[buffalobo]

Your edit is grammatically correct, but "We are be nuts." has a certain ring to it.

I can go along with that.[Flower]

[buffalobo]

Combining Dave thread and OT posts from other shooting thread.

Probably be a bit of pain but gonna do it anyway.

[Gman]

It still works, thanks for the consolidation.

[Great-Kazoo]

This wasn't a shooting. It was an assassination. . Highly encouraged by this administration.
I doubt the OUTRAGE put out by the president would be as serious as it was when he spoke today.

[hollohas]

4 injured, 1 dead oficer

http://www.fox4news.com/news/171359952-story

[Irving]

I've got 10 officers shot, 3 confirmed deceased, 3 in critical condition. Two snipers from elevated positions.

This is not going well at all. :(

[hollohas]

If you read the article it doesn't sound too authoritative. It goes from two officers, to 3-6 within two paragraphs. So who knows.
That how it goes as they update these things, they don't always erase the old info, just add to the top or bottom of the exisiting page.

[hollohas]

I've got 10 officers shot, 3 confirmed deceased, 3 in critical condition. Two snipers from elevated positions.

This is not going well at all. :(
That's what I'm sering now too. Literally just updated again.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3680097/Protests-sweep-nation-thousands-demand-justice-Alton-Sterling-Philando-Castile-black-men-shot-dead-police.html

[Irving]

Wife watches CNN live from her phone. I don't like everything they put out, but they usually do a decent job at live stuff like this.

[crashdown]

Now reporting 4 dead

[hollohas]

At least 7 blue lights and sirens (police and ambulance) just went by on Kipling, south of Hampden. After watching the news from Dallas, that kinda makes my hair stand up.

More coming now...3 fire.

Yes, off topic. But strange...

[hurley842002]

At least 7 blue lights and sirens (police and ambulance) just went by on Kipling, south of Hampden. After watching the news from Dallas, that kinda makes my hair stand up.

More coming now...3 fire.

Yes, off topic. But strange...

Down the way from me.

[hollohas]

A couple pictures I have seen do show the officers onsite with their attention (and weapons) pointed up.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160708/17a48a6c6ec2f17289dac2a1ff20a15b.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160708/19fb579da22dcf499ebb1ee38217db70.jpg

[Monky]

The gf's sisters are at the hotel this happened outside of.. They can see the entire scene. Blood everywhere


Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.

[buffalobo]

Wife watches CNN live from her phone. I don't like everything they put out, but they usually do a decent job at live stuff like this.

Boo, hiss......

My wife watches CNN with these type "Breaking News" stories.

Since I have not seen MSNBC in more than ten years, CNN has the worst editorial/political slant since Horace Greeley.

[JohnnyEgo]

I am in the north part of the Dallas metroplex right now. Local news is reporting an 11th officer injured in a separate engagement with the shooters. One shooter alleged to be in negotiation.

[JohnnyEgo]

DPD showing suspect photo now. Black man open carrying an AR15. Not wearing body armor, though. If not involved, made a very bad choice in open carrying this evening.

[hurley842002]

At least 7 blue lights and sirens (police and ambulance) just went by on Kipling, south of Hampden. After watching the news from Dallas, that kinda makes my hair stand up.

More coming now...3 fire.

Yes, off topic. But strange...

Just heard a helo passing by, maybe I'm just paranoid.

[fitz19d]

66136

Looking for 2 black suspects. Looks like years of Obama and others race baiting is getting them their race war started.

[JohnnyEgo]

Now reporting at least one civilian shot. Bad evening for both cops and protesters.

[hollohas]

Just heard a helo passing by, maybe I'm just paranoid.
Heard it too. Didn't go in the direction of the responders. Dunno?

[hollohas]

66136

Looking for 2 black suspects. Looks like years of Obama and others race baiting is getting them their race war started.
Wow. They sure had that picture awfully fast. Especially considering the picture is obviously from another time at least earlier today

Seems like a little too fast...

Really doesn't look like a guy who's about to assassinate a bunch of people...

[HoneyBadger]

Holy crap. I just heard about this here. Not good. :(

[hurley842002]

Heard it too. Didn't go in the direction of the responders. Dunno?

Yeah not sure.

[JohnnyEgo]

Local news now reporting suspect
to be in custody, the other supposedly cornered. 4 officers now reported deceased.

[JohnnyEgo]

More shooting right now.

[fitz19d]

Wow. They sure had that picture awfully fast. Especially considering the picture is obviously from another time at least earlier today

Seems like a little too fast...

Really doesn't look like a guy who's about to assassinate a bunch of people...

The suspect description was out before this photo. I do agree, bad photo probably. Online places like reddit had a pic pretty early of this guy from behind. Someone may have given it to DPD who ran with it.

[KestrelBike]

Wow. They sure had that picture awfully fast. Especially considering the picture is obviously from another time at least earlier today

Seems like a little too fast...

Really doesn't look like a guy who's about to assassinate a bunch of people...
In terms of the lighting of the photo, it looks like it was taken literally 15min before the shooting started. It basically started right about before dusk began?

[JohnnyEgo]

Local news now backing away from suspect photo, reiterating "person of interest", not suspect. Now reporting He was not likely to be in area of shooting based on position in the crowd.

[Great-Kazoo]

Conspiracy theory.. White "supremacist" looking to plant it on the BLM crowd.

[hollohas]

Conspiracy theory.. White "supremacist" looking to plant it on the BLM crowd.
The same thought crossed my mind earlier. I was actually waiting for the first police photo of ths suspect to be a white guy. Guess I'm too cynical.

[Irving]

Local news now backing away from suspect photo, reiterating "person of interest", not suspect. Now reporting He was not likely to be in area of shooting based on position in the crowd.

His brother called in to say they have the wrong guy, as the guy in the photos has allegedly turned that rifle over to police.

[hollohas]

The problem is it would not take many actors to overwhelm even a large police force... opening the door for executive action, legislative action, even minor risk of martial law in a situation only marginally bigger than what is presented here. It's important that DPD get this resolved preferably promptly... and not just for risk to LEO life.



OathKeepers posted a blog today laying out a fairly believable case that BLM is planning exactly this ^ for the conventions...



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[KS63]

Suspect with the AR has turned himself in. Best thing he could have done today.

[KS63]

Dallas SWAT engaging with another suspect. Now in custody and a suspicious "package" has been found near him. Bomb squad is investigating.

[JohnnyEgo]

News furiously back pedaling on person of interest.

[Honey Badger282.8]

66136

Looking for 2 black suspects. Looks like years of Obama and others race baiting is getting them their race war started.


Wow. They sure had that picture awfully fast. Especially considering the picture is obviously from another time at least earlier today

Seems like a little too fast...

Really doesn't look like a guy who's about to assassinate a bunch of people...

It's probably not him unless he was the guy involved in the later shooting. He can be seen during all of the commotion in this video.
https://mobile.twitter.com/dallasnewsphoto/status/751235966505881600/video/1

[crashdown]

Shit... Walk around and confiscate all the damn cell phones and you would footage every single thing that has happened.
Everyone is recording shit hoping to get their 15 seconds.

[KestrelBike]

That's for sure. Kinda depressing.

Eta: hillary's no doubt dancing a jig right now that her perjury is moved to the back page in light of these events.

[KS63]

Both suspects/snipers in custody per Dallas PD.

[KAPA]

Did I just see that right? Saw a video on FOX that showed a guy in Khakis and an AR type rifle hiding behind pillars shooting at cops, then he cornered a cop behind a pillar and snuck up behind him and murdered the cop. Holy crap, get the firing squad ready Texas!

With all the cops I saw tonight, I think I saw 3 with headgear on and two of those were bike helmets.

[KS63]

Saw that one, too. Executed. Hard to watch. Hope TX lays down the fury on that MF'r.

[Big E3]

CNN is talking gun control right now. Holy crap the officer’s bodies are not even cold. If they want gun control stop selling guns to democrats. The majority of the mass shootings will stop.

[KAPA]

Saw that one, too. Executed. Hard to watch. Hope TX lays down the fury on that MF'r.

I am assuming that was one of the 4 that were killed. It seems like that was not live and they are not showing it any more. Now that I type this CNN is showing it.

Will be interesting to see these assholes paraded around in the media over the next few days.

[KAPA]

Yeah that was the video. Ouch.

[Great-Kazoo]

That's for sure. Kinda depressing.

Eta: hillary's no doubt dancing a jig right now that her perjury is moved to the back page in light of these events.


C = COINCIDENCE OR CONSPIRACY .

[BushMasterBoy]

That's why I made my post on the Minnesota shooting. I figured it would be something like this.

[DavieD55]

The current administrations komrades strike again.

[WETWRKS]

5th officer dead. Pretty sad.

[DavieD55]

What concerns me greatly and I've often thought of this risk:

Recap:
You have hundreds of DPD, against allegedly two assailants. Allegedly 11 officers shot, four dead, no suspects in custody or deceased with present information, and this has gone on for hours.

What happens if this goes on for a day? What happens if you have this kind of situation somewhere else with only 5-8 active shooters in multiple locations? This isn't a small police department and they aren't handling it quickly (to be expected). The problem is it would not take many actors to overwhelm even a large police force... opening the door for executive action, legislative action, even minor risk of martial law in a situation only marginally bigger than what is presented here. It's important that DPD get this resolved preferably promptly... and not just for risk to LEO life.

The other huge risk is what happens if they do not ever find/ detain these people...



http://strongcitiesnetwork.org/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/02/obama-administration-and-un-announce-global-police-force-to-fight-extremism-in-u-s/



by Pamela Geller 10/2/2015

Obama Administration and UN Announce Global Police Force to Fight ‘Extremism’ In U.S.

On Wednesday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch announced at the United Nations that her office would be working in several American cities to form what she called the Strong Cities Network (SCN), a law enforcement initiative that would encompass the globe.
This amounts to nothing less than the overriding of American laws, up to and including the United States Constitution, in favor of United Nations laws that would henceforth be implemented in the United States itself – without any consultation of Congress at all.
The United Nations is a sharia-compliant world body, and Obama, speaking there just days ago, insisted that “violent extremism” is not exclusive to Islam (which it is). Obama is redefining jihad terror to include everyone but the jihadists. So will the UN, driven largely by the sharia-enforcing Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) and the pro-Islamic post-American President Obama, use a “global police force” to crush counter-jihad forces?

After all, with Obama knowingly aiding al-Qaeda forces in Syria, how likely is it that he will use his “global police force” against actual Islamic jihadists? I suspect that instead, this global police force will be used to impose the blasphemy laws under the sharia (Islamic law), and to silence all criticism of Islam for the President who proclaimed that “the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”

What is a global police force doing in our cities? This is exactly the abdication of American sovereignty that I warned about in my book, The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration’s War on America. The Obama Department of Justice made it clear that it was exactly that when it distributed a press release last week announcing the “Launch of Strong Cities Network to Strengthen Community Resilience Against Violent Extremism.” In that press release, the DoJ complained that “while many cities and local authorities are developing innovative responses to address this challenge, no systematic efforts are in place to share experiences, pool resources and build a community of cities to inspire local action on a global scale.”

So if the local and municipal effort to counter the euphemistic and disingenuous “violent extremism” is inadequate and hasn’t developed “systematic efforts are in place to share experiences, pool resources and build a community of cities to inspire local action on a global scale,” the feds – and the UN – have to step in. Thus the groundwork is being laid for federal and international interference down to the local level. “The Strong Cities Network,” Lynch declared, “will serve as a vital tool to strengthen capacity-building and improve collaboration” – i.e., local dependence on federal and international authorities.

Lynch made the global (that is, United Nations) involvement clear when she added: “As we continue to counter a range of domestic and global terror threats, this innovative platform will enable cities to learn from one another, to develop best practices and to build social cohesion and community resilience here at home and around the world.”


This internationalist character was brought to the fore by the fact that the Strong Cities Network was launched on September 29 not at the White House or the Department of Homeland Security, or at the FBI headquarters or anywhere else that might be fitting for a national project, but at the United Nations.

Even more ominously, the DoJ press release says that the Strong Cities Network “will strengthen strategic planning and practices to address violent extremism in all its forms by fostering collaboration among cities, municipalities and other sub-national authorities.” Sub-national and international: the press release then quotes Governing Mayor Stian Berger Røsland of Oslo, Norway, a participant in the Strong Cities Network, saying: “To counter violent extremism we need determined action at all levels of governance. To succeed, we must coordinate our efforts and cooperate across borders. The Strong Cities Network will enable cities across the globe pool our resources, knowledge and best practices together and thus leave us standing stronger in the fight against one of the greatest threats to modern society.”

But what is that greatest threat, exactly? Remember, the DoJ presser says that the SCN will “address violent extremism in all its forms.” It also says that it will aid initiatives that are working toward “building social cohesion and resilience to violent extremism.” “Building social cohesion” is a euphemism for keeping peace between non-Muslim and Muslim communities – mostly by making sure that non-Muslims don’t complain too loudly about, much less work against, rapidly expanding Muslim populations and the Islamization of their communities.

The DoJ presser noted that at the launch of the Strong Cities Network, “welcoming remarks” would be offered by the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, Prince Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein and Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York City. The involvement of New York City’s Marxist internationalist mayor is yet another warning sign.
Assert American sovereignty and individual rights. Contact your representatives now. Exhort them to oppose SCN now. Exhort them to keep America free – while it still is....

[DavieD55]

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/launch-strong-cities-network-strengthen-community-resilience-against-violent-extremism

[DavieD55]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE94KUYcglk#t=34

[BPTactical]

Linking the video previously mentioned. Contains graphic content, view at your discretion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qma4Xg5HUAI

Looks just like the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris.....












Sincerest thoughts to Dallas PD.

To all our members who are LE- watch your 6

[roberth]

I don't care how hot it gets, LEO wear your vest, this could easily be Denver we're talking about.

[Gman]

This pResident is such a disgrace. It's not evil people that need to be stopped...it's the gun's fault. His party is also at fault by preying on people's emotions. Let's not let facts and reason get in the way of an agenda. Let no tragedy go unexploited.

[hollohas]

Yup, the Hillary injustice will be forgotten and gun control will be ramped up.

I can see it now. The media will show the picture of the innocent man carrying a long gun and use it to cry about how easy it is to carry a "deadly killing machine on the streets, legally". They will say the murders carried their guns to the scene the same way without any trouble.

I can see national LE groups who were once pro gun now taking the emotional step to anti gun.

I suspect this wont be the last protest we see turn into this. And not once will you hear the media or the admin place blame on violent liberal assholes or the the BLM. It will squarely be focused on the gun and "racism"...two things that are always associated with the right.

[Gman]

DPD press conference this morning was saying one suspect is dead, he set off an explosive device that killed him. This was during a stand-off and a hostage negotiator was able to communicate with the suspect before he killed himself. There was a racial motive. He wanted to kill white officers.

The mayor and police chief were awesome with their statements. See it if you can.

[fitz19d]

I don't care how hot it gets, LEO wear your vest, this could easily be Denver we're talking about.

While the sentiment is a good one, sadly won't help DPD much since they seem to all have rifles.

[Bailey Guns]

DPD press conference this morning was saying one suspect is dead, he set off an explosive device that killed him. This was during a stand-off and a hostage negotiator was able to communicate with the suspect before he killed himself. There was a racial motive. He wanted to kill white officers.

The mayor and police chief were awesome with their statements. See it if you can.

Chief Brown said a police robot delivered the explosive that killed the barricaded suspect. Good.

[jslo]

DPD press conference this morning was saying one suspect is dead, he set off an explosive device that killed him. This was during a stand-off and a hostage negotiator was able to communicate with the suspect before he killed himself. There was a racial motive. He wanted to kill white officers.

The mayor and police chief were awesome with their statements. See it if you can.

I believe the police sent in a robot with an explosive device and blew the POS up.

[ray1970]

It's my understanding that the police sent the bomb robot in equipped with the explosives and that they detonated it and killed the suspect.

[Bailey Guns]

This is what leftist policy and ideology brings the country. They exploit division, prey on emotions and this is the result. The democrat party is a far greater strategic threat to freedom in this country than a couple of shooters in Dallas. That isn't meant do marginalize what happened to individual officers and their families.

[Zundfolge]

The democrat party is a far greater strategic threat to freedom in this country than a couple of shooters in Dallas.
The shooters in Dallas ARE the Democrat Party. #BLM is a constituency of the #DNC.

Obama is as much to blame for this shooting as the shooters themselves.

[hollohas]

Chief Brown said a police robot delivered the explosive that killed the barricaded suspect. Good.
Awesome.

[Bailey Guns]

The shooters in Dallas ARE the Democrat Party. #BLM is a constituency of the #DNC.

Obama is as much to blame for this shooting as the shooters themselves.

Absolutely correct. Make no mistake. This mass killing of police officers really took shape in Ferguson. It didn't start there, but it solidified into the BLM movement there. BLM is nothing more than leftist-sanctioned hate. It's an excuse for outright racism and hatred to be not only tolerated, but encouraged, in the name of equality. And it's a lie. The leftists in this country, from Obama, to black "leaders" like Jeremiah Wright, Sharpton, Jackson and other prominent democrats consumed with white guilt pulled the triggers last night. They have been fomenting hate and division for years and they use the excuse of an "epidemic" of white officers shooting black men to fuel their agenda. Even when the shootings are justified...Michael Brown.

So, in the spirit of leftist-hatred, let me just say I hate the left. I hate them personally, I hate what they stand for, I hate what they want and what they're doing. Yes..."hate" is a strong term. Frankly, it's not strong enough but it's the only word I can think of now. They've been crapping on this country and it's traditional values for years. If it isn't stopped, this country is going to a place I don't wanna go.

[Bailey Guns]

Typical leftist strategy. Create chaos like this through tragedy then exploit it, blaming it on someone other than your own ideology, in order to further the leftist agenda. Lenin is looking up from hell and smiling.

[Great-Kazoo]

This is what leftist policy and ideology brings the country. They exploit division, prey on emotions and this is the result. The democrat party is a far greater strategic threat to freedom in this country than a couple of shooters in Dallas. That isn't meant do marginalize what happened to individual officers and their families.

And like the late 30's in Germany. they have a propaganda machine doing the work for them.

[Blowby]

BLM should now be classified as a terrorist group.

[Jamnanc]

That's like saying if we had a 2a rally and some batshit started shooting people that the nra was responsible. Let's mourn the officers and Not turn into people who judge people by their color, I don't love the blm/occupy/extreme dems, but the crazy bastards that shot the cops don't represent all of them.

[Blowby]

Logical thinking is not understood on the active protesters side of the street.

[Skip]

I have little to add that hasn't been said but... I'm really sad for those families today. As I predicted, the BLM fools wouldn't let the system work and demonstrated how dangerous they are. The victims from last night had nothing to do with those other shootings.

The guilt from those shootings was assigned to last night's victims on the basis of race and occupation. That tells us plenty about who and what BLM has become. And Yes, I assign blame to that "movement" because they frequently chant that they want dead cops.


This is what leftist policy and ideology brings the country. They exploit division, prey on emotions and this is the result. The democrat party is a far greater strategic threat to freedom in this country than a couple of shooters in Dallas. That isn't meant do marginalize what happened to individual officers and their families.

This is the big picture folks. There have been racial divisions and controversies in the past but now we have leadership rocking the boat and whipping people up (useful idiots) passing the point no return. They are taking manageable exceptions and creating exponential consequences for all of us.

[Bailey Guns]

That's like saying if we had a 2a rally and some batshit started shooting people that the nra was responsible. Let's mourn the officers and Not turn into people who judge people by their color, I don't love the blm/occupy/extreme dems, but the crazy bastards that shot the cops don't represent all of them.

Maybe...but there's probably some "good" people in the KKK, too. And I don't see a lot of love and sympathy for them...not that they deserve any. And I don't see a lot of good coming from BLM. That movement, as a whole, was founded and based on a racist lie. If you associate with BLM you're part of the problem as far as I'm concerned, just as you're part of the problem if you associate with the KKK. As a matter of fact, I see BLM no differently than the KKK.

[KestrelBike]

Question for the LEO's here on the board: Apart from SWAT, do police in major cities get basic urban active shooter training? Or are PD's just lucky when they hire ex-military (especially from the combat arms MOS's) who bring those skills with them?
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the average police officer doesn't get the kind of training to deal with last night's situation. I imagine it'd be prohibitively expensive.

tangent: on TV an anchor was interviewing some LEO expert who made the point that "it's so easy for everyone to grab a camera and film instances where police don't do their job perfectly, but you never see those same people filming drug deals or illegal gun dealing" [for the purposes of shaming criminals].

[Delfuego]

They are taking manageable exceptions and creating exponential consequences for all of us.Please explain what a "manageable exception" is? What if that "exception" was someone you knew? We are taking about lives here.

[ClangClang]

Question for the LEO's here on the board: Apart from SWAT, do police in major cities get basic urban active shooter training? Or are PD's just lucky when they hire ex-military (especially from the combat arms MOS's) who bring those skills with them?
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the average police officer doesn't get the kind of training to deal with last night's situation. I imagine it'd be prohibitively expensive.

tangent: on TV an anchor was interviewing some LEO expert who made the point that "it's so easy for everyone to grab a camera and film instances where police don't do their job perfectly, but you never see those same people filming drug deals or illegal gun dealing" [for the purposes of shaming criminals].

Not a LEO myself, but was an EMT for years and worked closely with the PD in my town when I lived in NJ. As it was explained to me.... it's exactly as you surmise. Most cops don't get this training at all. Maybe a 1-2 day class somewhere during their career. A select few will get selected to an ERU (Emergency Response Unit) or something similar who will get some level of advanced tactical training which is often just about passing the certification test to carry a M4 or SMG (my town had UMPs), but typically still less training than the County/City SWAT team. Very few of the cops were "gun guys" and most were slightly towards the side of anti-2a for anyone other than police, despite the fact that I could outshoot and outrun most of them. Obviously a byproduct of growing up in NJ.

[Snowman78]

Question for the LEO's here on the board: Apart from SWAT, do police in major cities get basic urban active shooter training? Or are PD's just lucky when they hire ex-military (especially from the combat arms MOS's) who bring those skills with them?
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the average police officer doesn't get the kind of training to deal with last night's situation. I imagine it'd be prohibitively expensive.

tangent: on TV an anchor was interviewing some LEO expert who made the point that "it's so easy for everyone to grab a camera and film instances where police don't do their job perfectly, but you never see those same people filming drug deals or illegal gun dealing" [for the purposes of shaming criminals].


I work for a large sheriff's dept, luckily we have very good training. We train at least once a year for active shooters in all different type of settings (schools, office settings, urban, forest, ect.)

[sellersm]

According to this report some "Black Power" group took responsibility. Not sure if true or a decoy to stir up more trouble:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dallas-police-shooting-black-power-8378177


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[KestrelBike]

Not a LEO myself, but was an EMT for years and worked closely with the PD in my town when I lived in NJ. As it was explained to me.... it's exactly as you surmise. Most cops don't get this training at all. Maybe a 1-2 day class somewhere during their career. A select few will get selected to an ERU (Emergency Response Unit) or something similar who will get some level of advanced tactical training which is often just about passing the certification test to carry a M4 or SMG (my town had UMPs), but typically still less training than the County/City SWAT team. Very few of the cops were "gun guys" and most were slightly towards the side of anti-2a for anyone other than police, despite the fact that I could outshoot and outrun most of them. Obviously a byproduct of growing up in NJ.
Makes sense.

I work for a large sheriff's dept, luckily we have very good training. We train at least once a year for active shooters in all different type of settings (schools, office settings, urban, forest, ect.)
Nice, stay safe out there.

ETA: AG lynch press-conference: Miss Piggy's calling for gun control. But first, she said the DOJ is sending feds to LA/MN for a civil rights investigation into the shootings of the two guys earlier this week (basically equivocating the three events), and that the Dallas peaceful protest was in response to these shootings. BUT THE ANSWER ISN'T VIOLENCE!

[Big E3]

So I guess BHO will have to come back from his European vacation before he and the rest of the Demonrats get up in front of the nation to say this shooting was caused by white conservatives. And tell us, I know terrorists and blacks are shooting at you, the innocent white people, but you must surrender your guns and come out with your hands up.

Does anybody think Demonrats will ever stop stirring the turd and admit they are causing this to happen and dividing the nation on purpose? I’m starting to think BHO has been tasked with the job of disarming us so takeover is easier for his compatriots.

[Irving]

What are people seeing on Facebook? Are there pockets of support for the shooters anywhere? There will always be a few idiots who say stuff for attention online, but I can't imagine that there is a strong movement of support.

[Bailey Guns]

Please explain what a "manageable exception" is? What if that "exception" was someone you knew? We are taking about lives here.

Skip isn't making light of any particular tragedy. He's saying white officers intentionally shooting black males because they can is the exception, not the rule. If an officer mistakenly/negligently/intentionally shoots someone that didn't deserve to be shot, deal with it on the individual officer level (or with whomever is involved). Don't try to make it into some sort of epidemic of white officers intentionally and wantonly murdering blacks. Because it isn't. I resent the hell out of being punished for something I didn't do. That's why we all dislike the "it's the gun's fault" bullshit that we have to endure day in and day out.

I think you know full well what Skip meant.

[Skip]

Please explain what a "manageable exception" is? What if that "exception" was someone you knew? We are taking about lives here.

We are a country of 320 MILLION people. You want community policing? Then things are going to happen. We have a system to review those exceptions and enforce consequences. If the cops were wrong or "bad" they will get multiple levels of review with DoJ being involved.

Don't want community policing? Okay, pull out all the cops and watch what happens. The Ferguson Effect will get more black people killed than cops have in decades. This is becoming a sad reality in Baltimore.

No where is permission provided to go murder other people who had nothing to do with those other shootings. To do so on the basis of race (and yes, that is what this is about to the BLM murderers) is disgusting.

So if it were someone I knew would I be justified in murdering someone of the same race as the perp? Or same occupation? If a cop in Colorado shoots someone I know, I have license to murder a cop in Utah? Is that really what you're suggesting?

[KevDen2005]

Question for the LEO's here on the board: Apart from SWAT, do police in major cities get basic urban active shooter training? Or are PD's just lucky when they hire ex-military (especially from the combat arms MOS's) who bring those skills with them?
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the average police officer doesn't get the kind of training to deal with last night's situation. I imagine it'd be prohibitively expensive.

tangent: on TV an anchor was interviewing some LEO expert who made the point that "it's so easy for everyone to grab a camera and film instances where police don't do their job perfectly, but you never see those same people filming drug deals or illegal gun dealing" [for the purposes of shaming criminals].

I didn't want to derail the thread for any reason and give myself attention. But to answer the question I think it depends on where you work. The agency I used to work for was a smaller and slower metro agency, but honestly did a lot of really good training. Active shooter training was hosted by the SO and was required every year and they taught different searching and shooting techniques and so on. The agency I worked for also hosted a day long active shooter scenario, from start to finish, of numerous active shooters in a large building encompassing numerous agencies, SWAT, bomb squad, negotiations, incident command and so on. It was evaluated by former Special Forces personnel. I do think the agency took the training seriously.

I love where I work now, another metro agency, and I am very happy I made the move. The agency is extremely busy and extremely short handed, probably at least 50 officers or more (imagine good people not wanting to be cops, well that time has arrived) attempted to put on some training and I think a few egos at top levels are getting in the way for this to be conducted appropriately. I feel lucky having been a part of the military and previous training. We are issued Kevlar helmets and gas masks. Based on my experience as one of the first responding officers at AHS in 2013 I myself have created an active shooter "go" bag. Not everyone does. I keep extra ammo, rope, batteries, water, door stops, tools, etc. in the bag. A lot of people don't find that necessary. I know it's only a matter of time when I will need to do use this. My agency also requires tourniquets to be carried on our duty belts. I have purchased AR500 body armor to put on over my uniform in the event of an active shooter call.

[hurley842002]

What are people seeing on Facebook? Are there pockets of support for the shooters anywhere? There will always be a few idiots who say stuff for attention online, but I can't imagine that there is a strong movement of support.

I'm seeing lots of profile pictures being changed to support LE, but then again I don't socialize with anyone that would be pro BLM, so it's hard to say.

[KevDen2005]

I'm seeing lots of profile pictures being changed to support LE, but then again I don't socialize with anyone that would be pro BLM, so it's hard to say.

Agreed. I post a lot of political and pro police stuff on mine, but I'm not really friends with people who would oppose the things I post.

[brutal]

What are people seeing on Facebook? Are there pockets of support for the shooters anywhere? There will always be a few idiots who say stuff for attention online, but I can't imagine that there is a strong movement of support.

There are some that have gone full tard. I'm only seeing image captures of mobile FB posts from other groups I follow though. I don't have anyone in my circle that would be pro BLM. My FB friend list is only family and friends and I have one ex-coworker/friend who is a local LEO but no longer patrol. I've unfriended a few relatives that are staunch Liberals. No need to put up with their drivel.

[Bailey Guns]

They've identified the shooter. Black male, possible Army reservist. Micah Johnson, 25 yoa, Mesquite, TX. Still no definitive word on others taken into custody or if Johnson acted alone.

[Skip]

Twitter is full of it. I don't even want to post what I've seen captured elsewhere.

[Delfuego]

He's saying white officers intentionally shooting black males because they can is the exception, not the rule.

I think you know full well what Skip meant.

I don't ever want to get into the mind of Skippy.

The same can also be said that not every black person at this protest or who may happen to pissed of at the police is a madman with a gun on a murderous rampage. You guys seem to blame blacks, Obama, Hillary, the media, etc. Instead of the cocksucker who is shooting at the police. You are doing the same thing you accuse "them" of. This man / men is the exception too. He is a monster. He doesn't represent anyone but himself.

Stop making this tragedy about you and your 2a rights or whatever. Make it about the dead and injured. Police and civilians alike. It is a horrible day, the are no winners.

[HoneyBadger]

but I'm not really friends with people who would oppose the things I post.
Who needs friends like that anyway? Nobody needs that kind of negativity in their life! [Beer]

[Bailey Guns]

I don't ever want to get into the mind of Skippy.

The same can also be said that not every black person at this protest or who may happen to pissed of at the police is a madman with a gun on a murderous rampage. You guys seem to blame blacks, Obama, Hillary, the media, etc. Instead of the cocksucker who is shooting at the police. You are doing the same thing you accuse "them" of. This man / men is the exception too. He is a monster. He doesn't represent anyone but himself.

Stop making this tragedy about you and your 2a rights or whatever. Make it about the dead and injured. Police and civilians alike. It is a horrible day, the are no winners.

Yeah. I don't think anyone here has made this about themselves. And no one is blaming all black people. You seem slightly delusional to me.

[KevDen2005]

Who needs friends like that anyway? Nobody needs that kind of negativity in their life! [Beer]

I totally agree. I get into enough arguments and physical fights at work. I'm not going to argue with every facebooker about things I post.

[Skip]

Yeah. I don't think anyone here has made this about themselves. And no one is blaming all black people. You seem slightly delusional to me.

+1

I had a reply to this typed out, but I think I'm wasting my time.

I initially wanted to express sadness over what happened and add/agree that this is being planned/pushed by Dems who have an agenda and use events (no matter the facts) to that end. That much is clear to any rational person, but not all people are rational.

[WETWRKS]

I will probably have people who disagree with me on this but...I am troubled by this mindset that it is ok to go in and blow up a suspect. How is that any different than any other vigilante justice?

[Bailey Guns]

How is it different than shooting him? Other than it's safer for the innocents that have to go in and apprehend him.

[Lurch]

Has anyone seen any info on the other shooters?

[J]

It kind of surprised me too. But is it really all that different than a police sniper making a good clear shot?

[KevDen2005]

I will probably have people who disagree with me on this but...I am troubled by this mindset that it is ok to go in and blow up a suspect. How is that any different than any other vigilante justice?

I was waiting for this. He was actively engaging and killing people. Based on the circumstances one can assess that it is more dangerous to enter the room and shoot him. Why do we have a problem killing criminals who are killing people?

[WETWRKS]

How is it different than shooting him? Other than it's safer for the innocents that have to go in and apprehend him.

Maby all our policing needs to be done via drone from now on an if you don't go when asked you get blown up.

The decision to blow someone up via a drone is a lot different than an officer shooting to defend themselves or someone else. Then there is the small matter of due process. Was he blown up because he was still actively killing people or was he blown up because he wouldn't surrender? I haven't heard of any more shot since last night...

[brutal]

I will probably have people who disagree with me on this but...I am troubled by this mindset that it is ok to go in and blow up a suspect. How is that any different than any other vigilante justice?

How is it any different than a drone strike or dropping bombs on terrorists?

[brutal]

Maby all our policing needs to be done via drone from now on an if you don't go when asked you get blown up.

The decision to blow someone up via a drone is a lot different than an officer shooting to defend themselves or someone else. Then there is the small matter of due process.

There's a difference between due process for an alleged crime, and use of deadly force for an active threat.

Sheesh

[WETWRKS]

There's a difference between due process for an alleged crime, and use of deadly force for an active threat.

Sheesh

There has been zero shot since last night...

[Bailey Guns]

There's a difference between due process for an alleged crime, and use of deadly force for an active threat.

Sheesh

Exactly. Not very hard to articulate the reasonable belief that he was placing many people in imminent fear of SBI or death. In my book it sounds like deadly force was authorized.

[Bailey Guns]

There has been zero shot since last night...

Yeah...cause the shooter (at least one of them) is dead.

[WETWRKS]

I hope more members of the blm don't take the attitude that you just kill those you see as a threat...else we will be seeing more officers killed just like this.

[Squeeze]

What is going on in America right now is just horrifying. Our law enforcement officers are being openly targeted by deranged lunatics in the name of "Black Lives Matter". I've already seen posts where black people who support that movement are celebrating the shooting and condoning the actions of the shooters. Disgusting. I fear this is going to get worse before it gets better. Prayers for the fallen officers and their families.

Of course our current administration jumped at the earliest possible moment to use this tragedy to further their "gun control" agenda. No surprise there.

[DireWolf]

Exactly. Not very hard to articulate the reasonable belief that he was placing many people in imminent fear of SBI or death. In my book it sounds like deadly force was authorized.
No doubt....I think it may be more of a question as to whether LE should be able to basically toss a frag into a room...

Not because it might not have been justified in this case, but more about 1. Not all use might be as righteous, and 2. If, as a citizen and civilian, I can't own or acquire frags/HE for my own possession/use, then I don't think any civilian agency or LE should be able to have them either....

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[Irving]

Stop making this tragedy about you and your 2a rights or whatever. Make it about the dead and injured. Police and civilians alike. It is a horrible day, the are no winners.

I agree with what you're saying.

[WETWRKS]

It is a very small step for the liberals to deem you and I a similar threat for simply owning firearms and rather than risk arresting us to simply kill us with a drone.

[newracer]

I hope more members of the blm don't take the attitude that you just kill those you see as a threat...else we will be seeing more officers killed just like this.

He was not seen as a threat, he was an active threat. They had him surrounded and tried negotiating his surrender. At that time he stated he wanted to kill cops, white cops specifically, and white people. The negotiations were going nowhere so rather than send in an officer they sent in the robot. I would imagine after the robot entered the area they still gave him the opportunity to surrender and he chose not to.

[WETWRKS]

He was not seen as a threat, he was an active threat. They had him surrounded and tried negotiating his surrender. At that time he stated he wanted to kill cops, white cops specifically, and white people. The negotiations were going nowhere so rather than send in an officer they sent in the robot. I would imagine after the robot entered the area they still gave him the opportunity to surrender and he chose not to.

I have seen police wait days on a cornered suspect. Why blow him up in such a short amount of time?

[HoneyBadger]

For anyone who tries to suggest that the media isn't 100% fueling racism and hate, go no further than this headline: http://www.dailywire.com/news/7274/cops-shoot-white-guy-fresno-nobody-pays-attention-hank-berrien

[BushMasterBoy]

So they ended this with a brick of C4 plastic explosive? I thought CS tear gas grenade would be the way to go. It really is war on the streets of the USA.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/8/12129348/dallas-shooting-bomb-robot

[O2HeN2]

Has anyone seen any info on the other shooters?
There's some sketchy info about the car simply picking up someone at a bus station and beating feet when the shooting stated, attracting attention.

...as I say, sketchy at this point.

O2

[HoneyBadger]

Another good link that factually breaks down the numbers on cops disproportionately targeting minorities: http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler

[newracer]

I have seen police wait days on a cornered suspect. Why blow him up in such a short amount of time?


Police Chief David Brown told a press conference on Friday: "The suspect said he was upset with white people and wanted to kill white people, especially white officers."

He said: "We cornered one suspect and we tried to negotiate for several hours. Negotiations broke down and we had an exchange of gunfire.

"We saw no other option but to use our bomb robot and place a device on its extension and for it to detonate where the suspect was.

"Other options would have exposed our officers to great danger. The suspect is deceased as a result of detonating a bomb.

[JohnnyEgo]

I agree with what you're saying.

Also agree with this sentiment.
No winners in this on any side.

[Lurch]

There's some sketchy info about the car simply picking up someone at a bus station and beating feet when the shooting stated, attracting attention.

...as I say, sketchy at this point.

O2

It just seems to me that all of sudden there is no talk of the other shooters. The video of the cop getting shot clearly shows rounds hitting the pillar after the shooter ran off. Also seemed the rounds hitting the pillar before hand where much higher then someone on the ground would of shot.

[Squeeze]

I have seen police wait days on a cornered suspect. Why blow him up in such a short amount of time?

Because they exhausted negotiations and the gunman refused to surrender peacefully. He was actively engaging officers. Time wasn't on their side. If they didn't act quick & decisively it would've potentially caused more casualties.

[OneGuy67]

The single shooter was wearing body armor and armed with an SKS and a handgun. Ground level fight, not a sniper as earlier indicated. Barricaded himself in a community college building. Spoke to negotiators for hours and would not give up.

[OneGuy67]

Big balls on that chief for making the call to use explosives in order to not put any more of his officers in danger. Big balls.

[Wulf202]

R.I.P. the fallen officers

[TFOGGER]

I was wondering how the liberal media was going to spin this to divert attention from the facts of the suspected shooter being blatantly racist and black...



Dallas shooting kills five police officers; suspected attacker was Army veteran








By Tim Madigan, William Wan (http://www.washingtonpost.com/people/william-wan) and Mark Berman (http://www.washingtonpost.com/people/mark-berman) July 8 at 2:53 PM
Here’s what we know so far about the Dallas shooting

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At least five Dallas police officers were killed and seven wounded July 7, after a peaceful protest over recent police shootings. Here's what we know so far. (Deirdra O'Regan/The Washington Post)

DALLAS — Five Dallas police officers were killed and seven others wounded Thursday night when sniper fire turned a peaceful protest over recent police shootings into a scene of chaos and terror.
The gunfire was followed by a standoff that lasted for hours with a suspect who told authorities “he was upset about the recent police shootings” and “said he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers,” according to Dallas Police Chief David Brown. The gunman was killed when police detonated a bomb-equipped robot.
After the bloodshed — the deadliest single day for law enforcement officers since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks — authorities said one attacker was dead, three potential suspects were in custody and police were still investigating who may have been involved in the attack.

[Bailey Guns]

It is a very small step for the liberals to deem you and I a similar threat for simply owning firearms and rather than risk arresting us to simply kill us with a drone.

A small step?

1) A law-abiding firearm owner

2) A person who's engaged police in a gunfight on downtown city streets, killed 5 officers, wounded 7 officers, wounded 2 civilians, barricaded himself, engaged in another gunfight with officers who have him surrounded, refuses to surrender.

I don't know what kind of steps you take, but to me that's not a small step. That's like a trip around the freakin' world. I am not one bit concerned that the local sheriff's deputy is gonna toss a frag into my house because I "simply own firearms". And I'm not at all concerned that the DPD Chief terminated the life of this scumbag with an explosive device instead of shooting him.

Let's be clear...this guy had every opportunity in the world to surrender and save his life. He also had the opportunity to not kill 5 people and wound 9 others based on racial hatred.

[WETWRKS]

A small step?

1) A law-abiding firearm owner

2) A person who's engaged police in a gunfight on downtown city streets, killed 5 officers, wounded 7 officers, wounded 2 civilians, barricaded himself, engaged in another gunfight with officers who have him surrounded, refuses to surrender.

I don't know what kind of steps you take, but to me that's not a small step. That's like a trip around the freakin' world. I am not one bit concerned that the local sheriff's deputy is gonna toss a frag into my house because I "simply own firearms". And I'm not at all concerned that the DPD Chief terminated the life of this scumbag with an explosive device instead of shooting him.

Let's be clear...this guy had every opportunity in the world to surrender and save his life. He also had the opportunity to not kill 5 people and wound 9 others based on racial hatred.

For a liberal who sees no difference between us and the shooter...yes a very small step to deal with us in that same manner. You refuse to surrender your firearms then there is nothing more to discuss...you were given your chance to surrender. Send in the drones.

[Bailey Guns]

OK.

[Bailey Guns]

Uh-oh... He had "an arsenal" of guns and ammunition at home.

[SideShow Bob]

Uh-oh... He had "an arsenal" of guns and ammunition at home.

OK, I'll bite.......... What did this "arsenal" consist of ?

[KestrelBike]

Yeah that's kind of a head scratcher. News said they found rifles at his home... But if he used an sks, that must mean his arsenal was not that advanced. I'm thinkin a 10-22 and an ak870-pump-action-glock. He lived in Texas, so nothing's restricted. He was an army reservist, so there's no way he's not comfortable using an AR. Strange.

I hope his sks was the type with the non-detachable, 10rd magazine. (Despite what witnesses were claiming for audible round counts)

[roberth]

I read Dear Leader's statement - what a bunch of shit. He didn't address the racism of the shooter(s) but then The Messiah has been dividing the country along racial lines since he was a community agitator in Chicago. He did mention the supposed racism of the criminal justice system, at least he's consistent with the lies and misinformation that useless idiots want to hear.

[Bailey Guns]

OK, I'll bite.......... What did this "arsenal" consist of ?

They said he had rifles, ammunition, a vest and bomb making materials. Didn't elaborate beyond that.

[davsel]

Another good link that factually breaks down the numbers on cops disproportionately targeting minorities: http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler
Cops kill more whites than blacks (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/)

[Great-Kazoo]

They said he had rifles, ammunition, a vest and bomb making materials. Didn't elaborate beyond that.


Not a Head Line as it doesn't fit the AR15 / AK47 ASSAULT WEAPONS OF DEATH Mantra.

[Joe_K]

Ok so let me break this down for everyone concerned with the use of exsplosives to stop the threat posed by the now deceased individual active shooter.

Once Deadly force is JUSTIFIED (if your not sure if it was, then admit that up front) there is NO limit to how much violence can be used, as long as a REASONABLE PERSON - (I admit it is getting harder and harder to find them these days but they still do exsist) would have acted in the same, or similar way had they been placed in that or a similiar situation. Stop and think about that for a moment.
They could have burned/smoked him out, crushed him with a 10 ton MRAP, blown him up, or risked making entry on an armed murderer with a team.

The robots commonly used by even smaller departments can be rigged to carry and remotely fire a shotgun. Both explosives and shotguns are used for breaching purposes. If the now recently permanently retired active shooter had been taken out with a remote controlled shotgun would anyone, aside from B.L.M. activists be up in arms?
If I can use deadly force justifiably do I have to decide whether to use a baseball bat or an AR-15 if both are given to me as options in a fight were my opponent is in a position where he can see me, yet I cannot see him?

Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

[Joe_K]

It is a very small step for the liberals to deem you and I a similar threat for simply owning firearms and rather than risk arresting us to simply kill us with a drone.
If the Dallas shooting had never occurred the persons you are worried about using said event as an excuse to use a drone to kill you....WOULD STILL EFFING KILL YOU.

I will bet that this is not the first time US LE has used exsplosives to stop a threat. The precedent has been set.

The moral of the Dallas shootings? Don't try and start a race war with 2 dudes. (Or however many they had) you will lose.

Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

[Aloha_Shooter]

Big balls on that chief for making the call to use explosives in order to not put any more of his officers in danger. Big balls.

Not only that, he discussed it at the press conference rather than trying to let people think the perp did himself in or was caught by his own IED. I didn't see much of that chief but he seems pretty straight up to me.

[ray1970]

The whole use of explosives to stop the threat is rather logical if the police suspected the guy was wearing body armor. Perhaps they didn't want to risk the possible outcome of trying to stop the guy with bullets and potentially getting more officers killed.

And it is Texas after all. They don't fuck around with bad guys.

[Gman]

Thanks for the clarification on the bomb delivery by robot. I got that info when I got into the office this morning.


That's like saying if we had a 2a rally and some batshit started shooting people that the nra was responsible. Let's mourn the officers and Not turn into people who judge people by their color, I don't love the blm/occupy/extreme dems, but the crazy bastards that shot the cops don't represent all of them.
Who says we're judging people by their color. I judge them based on the quality of their character...like MLK dreamed the future would be.

[Gman]

For a liberal who sees no difference between us and the shooter...yes a very small step to deal with us in that same manner. You refuse to surrender your firearms then there is nothing more to discuss...you were given your chance to surrender. Send in the drones.
I'm not sure what you're smoking to make that leap, but with millions of gun owners, the government's gonna' need a shitload of drones and drone operators before that happens. If they even tried this tactic, we'd be at the point of civil war with enough armed civilians that the government that made that tyrannical move would be in ashes.

I bet you're really torn up by the US use of nukes on Japan in WWII to bring an end to the war.

[HoneyBadger]

I am not one bit concerned that the local sheriff's deputy is gonna toss a frag into my house because I "simply own firearms".

Maybe you should be... I heard that Idaho was basically the wild west all over again! [ROFL1]

[HoneyBadger]

Cops kill more whites than blacks (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/)
Okay? The link I posted was a direct acknowledgement and refutation of the link you posted. Congrats!

Also, am I the only one here that keeps reading BLM as Bureau of Land Management? [beatdeadhorse]

[Gman]

Also, am I the only one here that keeps reading BLM as Bureau of Land Management? [beatdeadhorse]
NO!!!

[DavieD55]

I get where you're coming from and I think that is a valid concern.



For a liberal who sees no difference between us and the shooter...yes a very small step to deal with us in that same manner. You refuse to surrender your firearms then there is nothing more to discuss...you were given your chance to surrender. Send in the drones.

[Great-Kazoo]

Okay? The link I posted was a direct acknowledgement and refutation of the link you posted. Congrats!

Also, am I the only one here that keeps reading BLM as Bureau of Land Management? [beatdeadhorse]

Add this # to show the difference.

[Big E3]

I wish they could have taken him alive purely for selfish reasons, I was looking forward to my vacation in Texas to watch the public hanging or the firing squad using members of the murdered cops families.

And yes all I see is Bureau of Land Management, maybe if you don’t live near BLM land it doesn’t bother you, but we have a shit ton of it here in CO.

[cstone]

A very small percentage of any population is responsible for the vast majority of crime, tragedy and grief faced by everyone.

Yes, there are people of every type who will utilize any crisis to obtain a political advantage. This is not new and no one should expect that it will ever be different.

Most crimes have backstories. The suspects rarely, just on a whim, decide to do what they do. They are motivated by numerous slights, disrespects, mental illness, greed, jealousy, addiction, etc... Some criminals work their way up the ladder of criminal completxity while others seem to jump right to the top with their violence and depravity. It takes time to investigate and resolve most of these crimes and the judicial system, like most functions of government bureacracy are agonizingly slow for people who are used to getting information in increasingly shorter bits with even shorter waits.

Perception is reality. Each of us as we grow and learn, develops a set of lenses that help us make sense of the world around us. Most of the time these lenses are useful and help us to navigate our ever changing environment. Sometimes, these lenses can confuse or distort the way we perceive our environment. I am not equipped to interpret the world for you. I have not walked your road in your shoes.

We need to talk to each other. We need to listen to one another. In my experience, the vast majority of people just want to live their life in the way that brings them happiness. Most people are able and willing to do this without causing harm or injury to others. I pray that we can all keep this in mind. Yes, I know there are evil people in the world. These people are the true minority among us. That minority can only gain influence when they can divide the rest of us and get us to begin attacking each other.

I found this article interesting. It does not represent my experience, but it does give me a glimpse into the experience of someone else.

Be safe.

https://www.propublica.org/article/yes-black-america-fears-the-police-heres-why

[Irving]

I'm not sure what you're smoking to make that leap, but with millions of gun owners, the government's gonna' need a shitload of drones and drone operators before that happens. If they even tried this tactic, we'd be at the point of civil war with enough armed civilians that the government that made that tyrannical move would be in ashes.

I bet you're really torn up by the US use of nukes on Japan in WWII to bring an end to the war.

Are you saying that if you felt targeted by police that you'd take action against them?

[DavieD55]

I read Dear Leader's statement - what a bunch of shit. He didn't address the racism of the shooter(s) but then The Messiah has been dividing the country along racial lines since he was a community agitator in Chicago. He did mention the supposed racism of the criminal justice system, at least he's consistent with the lies and misinformation that useless idiots want to hear.

He and his communist buddies are going play the hero now and swoop in and save the day with a predetermined marxist solution so the sheepish fools of society will "feel" safer.

[Irving]

A very small percentage of any population is responsible for the vast majority of crime, tragedy and grief faced by

It's practically a law of nature (also why communism is mathematically impossible).

https://youtu.be/fCn8zs912OE



Perception is reality.

I used to have a boss that would say that,(in reference to my performance reviews) and I HATED that saying. I'm finding more and more that it is applicable in certain situations. It is exactly applicable to the BLM movement and how Police feel due to the combination of media and government support coupled with being the targets of the BLM movement.

[Gman]

Are you saying that if you felt targeted by police that you'd take action against them?
You're speaking of a singular action, not an assault on gun owners as a group, and no, I would not strike first at people wearing a uniform based on my feelings. I'm a rational being, not an Obama voter.

What I will say is that I'll defend myself/family/neighborhood/state/country if we're being targeted for execution because we choose to possess the most effective defensive tools available to us for our continued survival.

[Irving]

While that was a bit of a gotcha question, it was mostly to illustrate that the saying of "perception is reality, " is an important thing to remember for this incident. If BLM supporters feel like they are being targeted by police, they will act accordingly, regardless. Similarly, if Police officers feel like they are being targeted, they will act accordingly. It doesn't matter what the actual number of polce vs. Civilian homicide statistics actually reveal.

[Irving]

Bahamas issued a travel warning to its citizens.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/the-bahamas-warns-citizens-about-traveling-to-the-us?bffbnews&utm_term=.woXJvOMvY#.be01dOvdx

[Gman]

While that was a bit of a gotcha question, it was mostly to illustrate that the saying of "perception is reality"...
Reality is the state of things as they actually exist. Perception is laden with bias.

I agree with you that "perception is reality" is a BS statement that basically says that it's OK for people to twist reality into whatever they feel it means and that they have equivalent value.

This is why we have pseudo-science based on the data derived from models (perception) that doesn't equate to the measured values (reality) and is given the same weight as true science.

The reality is that LEOs have a target on their backs. They're being targeted and aren't being supported. If they defend themselves (Darren Wilson), they become a target, get dragged through the legal system like no other job that I know of, and then have to find another career. My calculation is that we'll find a more difficult time trying to find people willing to do the job and society will be the worse for it.

[DavieD55]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOxgWKR3CW4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Gman]

Dallas sniper was loner; Army sent him home from Afghanistan (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/dallas-sniper-was-loner-army-sent-him-home-from-afghanistan/ar-BBu6o9a?li=BBnb7Kz)


"I'm sure that this guy was the black sheep of his unit."

[facepalm]

#BSM

[Zundfolge]

Also, am I the only one here that keeps reading BLM as Bureau of Land Management? [beatdeadhorse]

Well both are groups of thugs so does it really matter? [ROFL1]

[HoneyBadger]

Well both are groups of thugs so does it really matter? [ROFL1]
"what difference, at this point, does it make?"

[hollohas]

What happened to the 3 other people they arrested? Reports were there were 2 other males and 1 female arrested in connection with the shooting. Now all reports are he was solo...

[Bailey Guns]

They determined the other 3 were not involved. As far as I know they've been released.

[sellersm]

Reality is the state of things as they actually exist. Perception is laden with bias.

I agree with you that "perception is reality" is a BS statement that basically says that it's OK for people to twist reality into whatever they feel it means and that they have equivalent value.

This is why we have pseudo-science based on the data derived from models (perception) that doesn't equate to the measured values (reality) and is given the same weight as true science.

The reality is that LEOs have a target on their backs. They're being targeted and aren't being supported. If they defend themselves (Darren Wilson), they become a target, get dragged through the legal system like no other job that I know of, and then have to find another career. My calculation is that we'll find a more difficult time trying to find people willing to do the job and society will be the worse for it.

Pretty sure they have lots of blue helmet folks that will do the job...


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[Gman]

Pretty sure they have lots of blue helmet folks that will do the job...
The same ones that can't stop gangs with machetes from killing camps full of refugees?

[sellersm]

The same ones that can't stop gangs with machetes from killing camps full of refugees?

Yeah those. No one said it was about doing a good job (as we define it)...


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[hollohas]

Yup, the Hillary injustice will be forgotten and gun control will be ramped up.

I can see it now. The media will show the picture of the innocent man carrying a long gun and use it to cry about how easy it is to carry a "deadly killing machine on the streets, legally". They will say the murders carried their guns to the scene the same way without any trouble.


Yup, Obama is already saying folks carrying guns is the problem...he said


At the protests in Dallas one of the challenges . . . there are a bunch of people participating in the protest who have weapons on them. Imagine if you’re a police officer and you’re trying to figure out who’s shooting at you and there are a bunch of people who have guns on them

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/07/robert-farago/breaking-president-obama-hard-unpack-motives-dallas-shooter/

Obama also said its hard to know the killer's motives...despite the fact he told everyone what his motive was. Unbelievable. The refusal to admit blacks can be racist is absurd.

[Ridge]

News is reporting he was using an SKS

[BPTactical]

You know, just when I think I can't despise this.........."individual" any more:



Legal ownership of weapons is creating tensions between police officers and communities, President Obama said to buttress his call for tighter gun laws.

"Part of what's creating tensions between communities and the police is the fact that police are having a really difficult time in communities where they know guns are everywhere," Obama said during a NATO press conference in Warsaw, Poland. "They have a right to come home, and now they have very little margin for error in terms of making decisions. So if you care about the safety of our police officers, then you can't set aside the gun issue and pretend that that's irrelevant."

Obama introduced that idea after mentioning "routine" violence in Chicago, Ill., a city with tight gun restrictions, but he made clear that legally-owned guns also pose a problem for law enforcement by citing the violence of the last week.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-legal-guns-drive-wedge-between-cops-and-communities/article/2596063

[cstone]

Is he still our President? I've lost track of time and thought that he had already become irrelevant. [Flower]

[WETWRKS]

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/wetwrks/3f877a43abcf18ef3eda2a4286d4f3fc.jpg

[flogger]

Obama introduced that idea after mentioning "routine" violence in Chicago, Ill., a city with tight gun restrictions, but he made clear that legally-owned guns also pose a problem for law enforcement by citing the violence of the last week.

I may have seen this posted before, Chicago crime statistics updated daily. A shooting every 2 hours! Checkout this site.

heyjackass.com

[KestrelBike]

Found this link on thegunfeed.com : https://thearmsguide.com/8805/sks-used-dallas-killer/#disqus_thread

If the image/source is accurate, looks like the terrorist used a 7.62 saiga with a budget optic.
Eta: sorry, it's probably 5.45 like the article says, not 7.62.
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[Bailey Guns]

Found this link on thegunfeed.com : https://thearmsguide.com/8805/sks-used-dallas-killer/#disqus_thread

If the image/source is accurate, looks like the terrorist used a 7.62 saiga with a budget optic.

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Wouldn't an AK-74 be a 5.45x39?

[KestrelBike]

Eta: doh sorry I'm mistaken, that's a tapco mag, and probably 5.45 from the mellow curve.

I think that article is incorrect calling it a saiga 74. It's a Magpul magazine, and while Magpul is coming out with 5.45 magazines, afaik they haven't yet been released, so it must then be 7.62.

[Gman]

Wouldn't an AK-74 be a 5.45x39?
It would, but the article said AK-74 "style".

[cstone]

Looks like a Tapco magazine to me with a Magpul Zhukov butt stock and SAIGA forend. No idea whether it is a 74 or 47. Why were they reporting SKS? Not even remotely similar.

Not that it matters. The weapon did not commit the crime. Are we focused on the make and model of the weapons used by the police who were killed or wounded?

For investigative purposes it matters what the killer had with him and what he could have brought but chose to leave at home. For political purposes, none of that information is informative IMO. What were his motives? Who else was involved? Are there any other accomplices who could be criminally charged with assisting in the commission of the crime.

While all of his weapons will ultimately end up being destroyed, they will never be put on trial in any criminal court. The weapons were used to commit crimes. The weapons did not commit the crimes. This is an important distinction for me and I am certain many of you. It will never fit the narrative being driven by the Progressive left...some of the same people who want to excuse or diffuse the true motives of the killer.

[Gman]

Looks like a Tapco magazine to me with a Magpul Zhukov butt stock and SAIGA forend. No idea whether it is a 74 or 47. Why were they reporting SKS? Not even remotely similar.

Not that it matters. The weapon did not commit the crime. Are we focused on the make and model of the weapons used by the police who were killed or wounded?

For investigative purposes it matters what the killer had with him and what he could have brought but chose to leave at home. For political purposes, none of that information is informative IMO. What were his motives? Who else was involved? Are there any other accomplices who could be criminally charged with assisting in the commission of the crime.

While all of his weapons will ultimately end up being destroyed, they will never be put on trial in any criminal court. The weapons were used to commit crimes. The weapons did not commit the crimes. This is an important distinction for me and I am certain many of you. It will never fit the narrative being driven by the Progressive left...some of the same people who want to excuse or diffuse the true motives of the killer.
This was covered in the article. Rational people are well aware that criminals do not abide by laws. An early law was devised that it is illegal to kill another human being. That hasn't worked so non-rational people keep trying to build new laws on a flawed foundation.

As the article stated;

Gun guys always want to know the details...
I'm one of them. I also find myself spending more time trying to identify firearms in films than getting caught up in the gun play.

[KestrelBike]

This was covered in the article. Rational people are well aware that criminals do not abide by laws. An early law was devised that it is illegal to kill another human being. That hasn't worked so non-rational people keep trying to build new laws on a flawed foundation.

As the article stated;

I'm one of them. I also find myself spending more time trying to identify firearms in films than getting caught up in the gun play.
This also describes my comments. I was strictly speaking about the data.

[kidicarus13]

News is reporting he was using an SKS
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2016/07/08/dallas-shooting-suspect-said-goal-was-kill-white-officers-used-attack/JJXUguRUoFcd7GAz2zQojM/story.html

The Boston Globe stated AR-15. Inaccurate reporting should be a criminal offense.

[cstone]

I should have read the article. It would have saved me the time typing my previous post.

And I keep track of weapons used as a personal curiosity. Freedom of the Press apparently includes the freedom to frequently be terribly wrong.

[theGinsue]

First off, let me start by saying that I acknowledge "Behold A Pale Horse" is part of the Patriotic News Network which, as I understand it, is an Alex Jones entity. With that said, take the information below with a grain of salt. Additionally, I searched the WaPo we site for the original article/quote and was unable to find it.

Do to his many actions, it appears that Barrack Obama is looking for opportunities to put local (as in: non-federal) law enforcement under federal, and possibly even UN (as part of his globalization efforts), control. As such, I find myself inclined to believe the statements attributed to our pResident in the article below, contain truth - at least in some degree. The events we're seen around the country lately provide the fodder necessary to make this a reality.

Source: http://www.beholdapale.com/blog/obama-americans-would-be-better-under-martial-law/



OBAMA: Americans Would Be Better Under Martial Law

WASHINGTON– In a statement appearing in the Washington Post, United States President Barrack “Hussein” Obama said “Americans would be better living under martial law.” The Washington Post, a long-time democratic mouth piece and Obama supporter, downplayed the statement by suggesting it was made in jest and that President Obama had been “joking around” with the reporter at the time the statement was made.

Despite these so-called assurances, patriotic Americans and government watch-dog groups expressed outrage at the president’s comments; American freedom and civil liberties are not to be spokesperson for the American Liberties Union, an organization dedicated to exposing governmental overreach, called Obama’s remarks callous but not uncharacteristic. “Obama has proven himself an enemy of the American people,” Danforth said in a prepared statement. “Now that his time is short, he can say anything without fear. He’s hoping Hillary will reach the White House to continue his disastrous legacy. Hopefully, after eight years, Americans have smartened up.”

Obama’s disdain for America extends not only to its civilians but also to its military. Obama has fired over thirty high-ranking military officials who questioned his judgment. Now, it seems, with less than six months left in office, a disgruntled President is saying what honest, hard-working, law-abiding Americans have known all along: Obama, the apologist, hates America.

A Washington insider, speaking under conditions of anonymity, reveals that Obama made additional inflammatory comments not reported by the Washington Post. The comments were so volatile that no mainstream media outlet dared print them. “The American people have had 200 years to prove they can care for themselves,” Obama was quoted as saying. “Americans have had their chance to aspire to be better, to rise to the occasion, but time and again they fail. They cannot manage time, money, or even, it seems their offspring. Would tighter restrictions really be such an imposition?”

Obama has a long history of disrespecting traditional American values. He has waged war against Christianity; he has illegally armed and supported radical Islamic terrorists; he has waged a constant battle against the 2nd Amendment. This is but a short list of treasonous acts committed by the man sitting in the Oval Office. For a through list of Obama’s crimes against America, see Infowars.com 75 Times Obama Broke The Law.

Now, having publicly endorsed Hillary Clinton’s candidacy, Obama is counting on her to further his tyrannical campaign agenda.

[Gman]

The Boston Globe...
What a liberal rag.

Anybody else remember the article they ran on the horrors of the fur seal harvest in Canada...even though the opening of the season was delayed?



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[Skip]

I should have read the article. It would have saved me the time typing my previous post.

And I keep track of weapons used as a personal curiosity. Freedom of the Press apparently includes the freedom to frequently be terribly wrong.

I think it's important to talk about the weapons since they want to make it about guns.

This is why I correct the term "assault rifle" when applied to semi-auto rifles. Assault rifles were banned in 1986, a compromise we already made. By calling ARs "assault rifles" they discount the previous compromise and claim we won't compromise now.

[brutal]

I think it's important to talk about the weapons since they want to make it about guns.

This is why I correct the term "assault rifle" when applied to semi-auto rifles. Assault rifles were banned in 1986, a compromise we already made. By calling ARs "assault rifles" they discount the previous compromise and claim we won't compromise now.

Is it disingenuous to say "banned" when we really are talking about "restricted?"

Yes, we all understand it is effectively a ban when most folks cannot afford transferable $20K M16's or $16K RDIAS, but it's still not an outright ban on ownership, it only disallows new items going into the existing registry. Personally, I think the registry should be opened up again, and Silencers should be pulled from NFA, but it is what it is for the foreseeable future.

We don't want to be guilty of using the same misleading rhetoric as the antis.

[Skip]

Is it disingenuous to say "banned" when we really are talking about "restricted?"

Yes, we all understand it is effectively a ban when most folks cannot afford transferable $20K M16's or $16K RDIAS, but it's still not an outright ban on ownership, it only disallows new items going into the existing registry. Personally, I think the registry should be opened up again, and Silencers should be pulled from NFA, but it is what it is for the foreseeable future.

We don't want to be guilty of using the same misleading rhetoric as the antis.

Exactly.

It's a defacto ban for anyone of modest means the same way NYC bans handguns (i.e. money/influence talks). I believe DC has been sued and lost several times over this same behavior with their permits.

If the gov put a $20,000 tax on abortions, or some other measure that increased the costs beyond market, would Libs say we banned abortion? Absolutely and they would be correct.

We gave up the ability to go into a gun store and purchase a weapon in common use for three decades at the time because of a feature. That's a compromise gun control advocates claim we are unwilling to make. Well, we already made it with the understanding that weapons that didn't have that one feature would be safe.

[hollohas]

Why is every media outlet choosing to run with the picture of him in fatigues as their headline image of him? They have many other pictures of him to use, why use the US Army uniform one???

Seriously. It seems like they are either trying to downplay the black on white racism (because the other pictures I have seen scream "black power") or are they trying to somehow make the public subconsciously relate these murders with the military? Or do that want to make this appear like a stereotypical "militia" thing? Perhaps all are true.

I just can't think of any other reasons why the each of the 10 different media websites I just looked at all chose to use the Army photo as the main picture. My gut says they are trying to keep the black on white racism discussions to a minimum. Afterall, the POTUS himself says the motive is unknown...

Edit:
After reading more articles it seems they are trying to create the appearance that he was a crazy "militia" guy. They are playing up all his post-military, defense and tactical training. The media always twist these thing to make them appear right wing...


Johnson had practiced military-style drills in his yard and trained at a private self-defense school that teaches special tactics, including "shooting on the move," a maneuver in which an attacker fires and changes position before firing again.

He received instruction at the Academy of Combative Warrior Arts in the Dallas suburb of Richardson about two years ago, said the school's founder and chief instructor, Justin J. Everman.

On Friday, Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings described Johnson as "a mobile shooter" who had written manifestos on how to "shoot and move."

Authorities have said the gunman kept a journal of combat tactics and had amassed a personal arsenal at his home, including bomb-making materials, rifles and ammunition.

The academy website refers to one of its courses as a "tactical applications program," or TAP.

"Reality is highly dynamic, you will be drawing your firearm, moving, shooting on the move, fixing malfunctions, etc. all under high levels of stress," the website says. "Most people never get to train these skills as they are not typically allowed on the static gun range."

The TAP training includes "shooting from different positions," ''drawing under stress" and "drawing from concealment." Everman declined to specify which classes Johnson took.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/10/dallas-shooter-scrawled-letters-in-blood-at-parking-garage.html

[Fmedges]

Why is every media outlet choosing to run with the picture of him in fatigues as their headline image of him? They have many other pictures of him to use, why use the US Army uniform one???

Seriously. It seems like they are either trying to downplay the black on white racism (because the other pictures I have seen scream "black power") or are they trying to somehow make the public subconsciously relate these murders with the military? Or do that want to make this appear like a stereotypical "militia" thing? Perhaps all are true.

I just can't think of any other reasons why the each of the 10 different media websites I just looked at all chose to use the Army photo as the main picture. My gut says they are trying to keep the black on white racism discussions to a minimum. Afterall, the POTUS himself says the motive is unknown...

Edit:
After reading more articles it seems they are trying to create the appearance that he was a crazy "militia" guy. They are playing up all his post-military, defense and tactical training. The media always twist these thing to make them appear right wing...



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/10/dallas-shooter-scrawled-letters-in-blood-at-parking-garage.html

It's because veterans are unstable ticking time bombs and are pretty much domestic terrorists already, even ones with carpentry MOS's.

[Great-Kazoo]

Why is every media outlet choosing to run with the picture of him in fatigues as their headline image of him? They have many other pictures of him to use, why use the US Army uniform one???


l (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/10/dallas-shooter-scrawled-letters-in-blood-at-parking-garage.html)

Because they couldn't find one of him in elementary school.

The real interesting part of this charade is.








Notice the NO FLY, NO BUY rhetoric and call for tougher gun laws is non-existent?
Sure there's the usual saber rattling, just no SHRILL speech after speech on the talking heads shows, and any other usual suspect.

[DavieD55]

Because they couldn't find one of him in elementary school.

The real interesting part of this charade is.








Notice the NO FLY, NO BUY rhetoric and call for tougher gun laws is non-existent?
Sure there's the usual saber rattling, just no SHRILL speech after speech on the talking heads shows, and any other usual suspect.

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xt/128431568.jpg?v=1&g=fs1%7C0%7CPLB%7C31%7C568&s=1

Some sports figures and hollyweird types are demanding for the government to do something to make it all better, a group of politicans that are by and large responsible for creating problem to begin with.

Problem - Reaction - Solution

[Gman]

Problem - Reaction - Solution - More Problems
FIFY

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[Martinjmpr]

It's because veterans are unstable ticking time bombs and are pretty much domestic terrorists already, even ones with carpentry MOS's.

Or as Kent Brockman would say...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EI-TIUycqk

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Some sports figures and hollyweird types are demanding for the government to do something to make it all better, a group of politicans that are by and large responsible for creating problem to begin with.

Problem - Reaction - Solution

So we need to talk about speech control and background checks on politicians then? Maybe a waiting period on engaging in identity politics? And no one needs unlimited term capacity in Congress. No one.

(I'm only kidding but it's a logical leap from gun control)

[funkymonkey1111]

it was the army that turned the shooter into a hermit!

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dallas-micah-johnson-family-military-service-army-afghanistan/

the liberal media keeps making a stink about his post-army training, and mentions in this article that the radical "move and shoot" technique "confused officers." isn't that the point of moving and shooting?

wouldn't this guy, even if he was a reservist engineer, learned basic infantry tactics in the army?

now, i've never been in the army, but it would seem that "move and shoot" isn't necessarily some radical elite tactic. heck, every rifle class i've ever been to has taught it.

As Clint Smith says: "If you're not shootin', you should be loadin'. If you're not loadin, you should be movin', if you're not movin', someone's gonna cut your head off and put it on a stick." Hardly some secret approach to an engagement with an opponent.

[brutal]

it was the army that turned the shooter into a hermit!

wouldn't this guy, even if he was a reservist engineer, learned basic infantry tactics in the army?

now, i've never been in the army, but it would seem that "move and shoot" isn't necessarily some radical elite tactic. heck, every rifle class i've ever been to has taught it.


In 1980 it sure as hell was part of basic training.

[cstone]

The Army was confusing. Everytime they said field problem we just ended up going camping. Whenever they talked about a road march we just went backpacking. And I don't know what an Op is for but the other companies would try to sneak up on us and we would try to sneak up on them and then we would all play army like we were a bunch of kids in the woods.

[Flower]

[Fmedges]

Not surprising that simple tactics confuse police officers. They are more concerned with learning policing than how to be a gunfighter. I was in a MOUT town one time role playing as an aggressor. We had an admin company come through and the 4 of us essentially wiped out a companies worth of admin types by just moving constantly. They thought they were facing a force substantially larger and it really confused them.

[Great-Kazoo]

Not surprising that simple tactics confuse police officers. They are more concerned with learning policing than how to be a gunfighter. I was in a MOUT town one time role playing as an aggressor. We had an admin company come through and the 4 of us essentially wiped out a companies worth of admin types by just moving constantly. They thought they were facing a force substantially larger and it really confused them.

So you Romped some REMF ass.

[brutal]

The Army was confusing. Everytime they said field problem we just ended up going camping. Whenever they talked about a road march we just went backpacking. And I don't know what an Op is for but the other companies would try to sneak up on us and we would try to sneak up on them and then we would all play army like we were a bunch of kids in the woods.

[Flower]

That sounds like PLDC. :D

[brutal]

So you Romped some REMF ass.

C'mon now, I was a REMF. In the rear with the gear!

That may explain why I'm fat and ugly now.

[HoneyBadger]

the liberal media keeps making a stink about his post-army training, and mentions in this article that the radical "move and shoot" technique "confused officers." isn't that the point of moving and shooting?

wouldn't this guy, even if he was a reservist engineer, learned basic infantry tactics in the army?

now, i've never been in the army, but it would seem that "move and shoot" isn't necessarily some radical elite tactic. heck, every rifle class i've ever been to has taught it.

Sounds to me like you're a radical!


C'mon now, I was a REMF. In the rear with the gear!

That may explain why I'm fat and ugly now.

It may explain the "fat" part, but I think the other thing was a pre-existing condition... ;)

[Fmedges]

So you Romped some REMF ass.

Hard.

[Great-Kazoo]

C'mon now, I was a REMF. In the rear with the gear!

.


They had DADT back then ?

IS THAT ARMY APPROVED LUBE, SOLDIER !

[brutal]

Sounds to me like you're a radical!



It may explain the "fat" part, but I think the other thing was a pre-existing condition... ;)

They were both pre-existing.

I was fat, got skinny, got fat again.

I was always fugly.

[Irving]

I was fat, got skinny, got fat again.



That's why letting fat girls in the Army probably won't be a huge deal.

[HoneyBadger]

They were both pre-existing.

I was fat, got skinny, got fat again.

I was always fugly.
I hear ya, brother. [Abused]

[KevDen2005]

That sounds like PLDC. :D


No, PLDC was even more lame

[KevDen2005]

Not surprising that simple tactics confuse police officers. They are more concerned with learning policing than how to be a gunfighter. I was in a MOUT town one time role playing as an aggressor. We had an admin company come through and the 4 of us essentially wiped out a companies worth of admin types by just moving constantly. They thought they were facing a force substantially larger and it really confused them.

Part of this is that many LEOs don't take their firearms training seriously. Another huge part is that there isn't enough money for training hours per year. Numerous times when training hours to get cut, the firearms program is first to get hit. Admin thought process, you put handcuffs and go hands on regularly so DT is not cut (however often is anyway), you drive non stop so driving isn't training. We certainly can't cut things like the yearly communications, ethics, equal opportunity, and internal harassment training. Can't cut taser or OC training. Admin thought process is that really how likely is it that you actually shoot at someone, cut that training. Firearms training further just doesn't get into prolonged combat style shooting. Officers generally do very well in the quick fights. It used to be the average number of total rounds fired during law enforcement gunfights was three rounds, even up to less than a decade ago. Those days I think are far from over, especially because of situations like this.

Other issues include public safety and preservation of evidence. Of course suppression fire is not a good call to make in this field.

[68Charger]

getting back to the #BLM subject: I thought this guy pretty much nailed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJHvppVEBTY

[KevDen2005]

getting back to the #BLM subject: I thought this guy pretty much nailed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJHvppVEBTY

I believe we won two wars so we wouldn't have to listen to anyone with that accent.

[BushMasterBoy]

Well bomb squad training is good. They made their first bomb in 15 to 20 minutes and deployed it successfully. This was "domestic terrorism" and not a "sniper attack". Same as Major Hasan killing Army personnel, it was terrorism and not "workplace violence". The .gov officials and the media needs to refer to these events as "terrorist attacks". That is what they are. You want to be outraged? Watch this video of Obama at the officers memorial, Stevie Wonder is lucky he never has to see the Wookie.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2016/07/08/live-updates-attack-law-enforcement-dallas-texas

[Snowman78]

Part of this is that many LEOs don't take their firearms training seriously. Another huge part is that there isn't enough money for training hours per year. Numerous times when training hours to get cut, the firearms program is first to get hit. Admin thought process, you put handcuffs and go hands on regularly so DT is not cut (however often is anyway), you drive non stop so driving isn't training. We certainly can't cut things like the yearly communications, ethics, equal opportunity, and internal harassment training. Can't cut taser or OC training. Admin thought process is that really how likely is it that you actually shoot at someone, cut that training. Firearms training further just doesn't get into prolonged combat style shooting. Officers generally do very well in the quick fights. It used to be the average number of total rounds fired during law enforcement gunfights was three rounds, even up to less than a decade ago. Those days I think are far from over, especially because of situations like this.

Other issues include public safety and preservation of evidence. Of course suppression fire is not a good call to make in this field.

Yep, I just got this e-mail today:



Due to budgetary constraints, The Urban Rifle School, scheduled for August 21-23, 2016, has been cancelled.

[crashdown]

I'll ask here instead of a starting a new thread, even though I kinda want to.....

Why haven't the police departments or the officers involved in the two most recent shootings released any formal statements, or any evidence contrary to the garbage that the msm is spewing to fuel the BLM protests. It was a week before we heard anything about Trayvon not actually being an angelic little cherub with a pack of skittles in hand skipping off to visit mommy. It was weeks before we found out that nobody's hands were actually up at all, and that poor little Michael Brown was 6 foot 5 inches, 289 pounds and beating an officer.
I understand that there is protocol, and the powers that be want to be careful that their statements are accurate, but waiting this long and saying nothing is only fueling a raging fire. Of course that is IF there are any discrepancies between what msm is saying and what actually happened. Maybe they should let the officer tell his side completely right away, and let a court find the truth. Seems like it would slow the roll of the protesters, cop killers, etc.

[cstone]

IMO the proper place to release information is at trial. Today there are so many leaks involved in the entire criminal justice system. I am disgusted everytime I read a story with some variation of "according to law enforcement sources who are not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation." If you aren't authorized then shut your pie hole.

It seems like too many people in government are more interested in winning cases in the court of public opinion than actually making solid cases that provide juries with a factual rendering of the issues in the case.

We are not a patient people. We want our facts now even if that means most of the information provided is wrong or provided without context.

People are going to protest. I read about another protest in LA this evening due to a civilian review board's decision that after reviewing the investigation, the officer in volved in shooting a woman last year will not face prosecution or significant administrative action. I thought civilian review boards are one of the things that many of the protestors around the country want. But I knew, as many of you do that even if they get what they are asking for, that will not satisfy many of those who are protesting and asking. Giving people the information now or making them wait will hardly have an impact on many of those who demonstrate. Some people are just angry.

[DireWolf]

Related to this, I can't figure out why entire LE depts dont just walk out en-mass, and have a union rep release a statement to the effect of "you want to blame us for everything and focus on all the wrong things, fine....good luck with that, but we're not going back on the job until we actually get useful training and an honest dialog"...or, even just slow-walking it (e.g. we tried to get to the scene in an area where coincidentally they hate us and don't want us around, but got lost/had flat tire/needed gas/etc.....)

Maybe it's just me, but the thought of lifting even a finger to help someone who not only doesn't want it, but shits all over me at every opportunity, is a total non-starter.....

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[kidicarus13]

getting back to the #BLM subject: I thought this guy pretty much nailed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJHvppVEBTY
Facts be damned, that's racist!

[Irving]

The same reason why every employee doesn't walk out of every job when a very small minority of the customers complain.