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This coming Saturday, August 6, the Colorado Rifle Club in Byers will be hosting its monthly Practical Rifle Match. This is a new addition to the Rocky Mountain region shooting sports. It is an Action Rifle match that combines the speed of USPSA pistol matches with Precision Rifle shooting using semi-automatic rifles and carbines on dynamic stages with targets at distances ranging from 5 to 200 yards. As such, movement, accuracy, and speed will be stressed, all while maintaining the utmost level of safety.
All semi-automatic rifles are welcome but there will be ammunition restrictions in place. In order to avoid damaging the club’s steel plates, steel-core, bi-metal or any other type of “penetrator” ammunition is strictly prohibited. If you try to sneak some in and, as a result, you damage or puncture any steel targets, you will be expected to pay for the replacement of said steel targets. DON’T BE THAT GUY/GAL!!!!
The entry fee is $20 and the approximate round count will be 135 to 150 rounds (though we encourage you to bring 200 rounds of ammunition; just in case…)
Setup starts at 7:00am on berms 7 through 13 of the CRC East Range. The match itself starts at 9:00am. Remember that this is a Volunteer Sport and, as such, your help is greatly appreciated. Please show up early to help with the setup and be ready to start the shooting fun at 9am.
A month has gone by and that means it's time to dust off the rifle and join us at the range this coming Saturday, September 3 to send some lead down range.
One big difference worth noting is that, instead of the match starting at 10, we will begin at 9:00am. By the way, the setup still starts at 7:30am.
Show up early and help with the setup and we knock off 25% off of your match fee.
I hope you can join us at the rage this coming Saturday. Bring your rifle, plenty of ammo and a desire to have safe fun. We'll provide the cardboard, you provide your own lead! See you bright and early on Saturday.
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-06-2016, 23:48
Got any pictures? What kind of targets?
I don't have any pictures but here is a link to a YouTube video posted by one of the participants of this past weekend's match: https://youtu.be/80eFqv8MerY
We are shooting at a combination of full-size USPSA targets and steel plates ranging from 12" to 16" at varying distances out to 200 yards. The vast majority of targets are to be engaged at 15 to 50 yard with lots of "hard-cover" that forces shooters to aim.
One major difference from 3-Gun matches is that our match is scored using the Comstock formula where shooters need to find a balance between accuracy and speed. Sacrifice either one and your points will suffer.
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SA Friday
09-07-2016, 10:06
I don't have any pictures but here is a link to a YouTube video posted by one of the participants of this past weekend's match: https://youtu.be/80eFqv8MerY
Ugh. Another Saturday match I can't, but want, to shoot.
Someone tell Chris his music choice is something a Japanese girl would have chose, and his AR is cycling too fast. Other than that, total props for doing that with irons. That's ballsy.
I cannot convince Chris to put any sort of optic on that rifle but, he keeps proving to me that "he don't need no stinking optic."
I think the cycling issue was caused by burnt out gas rings but am not sure.
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spqrzilla
09-07-2016, 15:00
So want to shoot ...
SA Friday
09-07-2016, 17:26
So want to shoot ...
I added commas for clarification. [Coffee]
spqrzilla
09-07-2016, 23:54
I added commas for clarification. [Coffee]
Oh, I wasn't making fun of your comment. Far from it. Its just a three hour drive one way for me, as we were discussing the other day.
SA Friday
09-08-2016, 19:54
Oh, I wasn't making fun of your comment. Far from it. Its just a three hour drive one way for me, as we were discussing the other day.Oh ya. I remember that conversation now. Fuck I'm getting old.
spqrzilla
09-08-2016, 20:30
Fuck I'm getting old. you young punk. [handbags]
The October 1 match is not going to happen. We will need to cancel this match as our host club has scheduled their Autumn Work Party on this weekend and all ranges are going to be closed.
I'll see you all instead on the first Saturday in November!
Noooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!
I shoot my own personal steel with 7n6 with my AK74 though it is classified as armor piercing by the .gov these days and it does no more harm than my M193 out of my AR.. Have you guys used it on your steel to determine if that ammo is allowable in this comp?
I joined CRC about a month ago and have been there twice so far. I'd like to give this shot in November but am wondering if anyone would like to meet there in October after the 21st (I can make myself free on a weekend day or a weekday) so I can get a feel for what to expect, and what to practice. My AR is carbine with a 16" barrel and does good out to 300yd so this sounds fun! If anyone wants to meet and give me the run-down ahead of time let me know. Thanks
I shoot my own personal steel with 7n6 with my AK74 though it is classified as armor piercing by the .gov these days and it does no more harm than my M193 out of my AR.. Have you guys used it on your steel to determine if that ammo is allowable in this comp?
If it is magnetic, it is not allowed.
I joined CRC about a month ago and have been there twice so far. I'd like to give this shot in November but am wondering if anyone would like to meet there in October after the 21st (I can make myself free on a weekend day or a weekday) so I can get a feel for what to expect, and what to practice. My AR is carbine with a 16" barrel and does good out to 300yd so this sounds fun! If anyone wants to meet and give me the run-down ahead of time let me know. Thanks
There is a USPSA pistol match on October 22, the stage scoring is the same as are the safety rules. Might be a good time to take out your AR, talk to a few of the folks there who shoot rifle as well and then do some drills.
Shooting As on paper fast (usually two), offhand steel at 100 and positional shooting of steel at 200 form various positions and baricades are the common elements.
Can anyone confirm actual match start time and shooters meeting time?
The first announcement in this thread says 10 am start time. However, an email from Sy Soto today said 9 am start time. Has the start time been changed to 9 or is it still 10?
The new start time is at 9am. Sorry for the confusion.
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The reason the start time was moved to 9am is so that we can leave the range a little bit earlier in the day. The time that we began shooting later than 9am, we didn't leave the range until late in the afternoon.
The official start time for the match is at 9am (BTW setup starts at 7am).
See you all at the range!!
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Phenomenal weather and awesomely fun match at the Colorado Rifle Club this morning!!
Results have been posted for the USPSA Rifle Match at CRC at the following link: https://practiscore.com/results/new/28056
If you missed it, you missed a FUN one.
We most probably won't be having another match this year but we look forward to having you join us at the range in 2017.
I think I saw your match on Saturday's schedule at the CRC site. Is it really set to happen?!
USMC88-93
02-27-2017, 20:15
I think I saw your match on Saturday's schedule at the CRC site. Is it really set to happen?!
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Cy just said the Rifle match is a go for March 4 as of now.
Thanks, Mark!!! Did he say if it's at 9 again, or the usual 10 am start?
We tried a 10am start early on but, by doing that, we end up leaving the range well past lunch time.
Starting at 9am seems to be working well so we will officially keep that as our start time for this match.
Oh and, yes, this Saturday's match is a 'Go'. I will send the "official" match call email via the ECOUSPSA Google Groups email tomorrow afternoon.
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cfortune
03-02-2017, 23:16
This looks like a good time. I'll be out there on Saturday but mainly doing some load development. Might have to join in next month.
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https://practiscore.com/results/new/32450
Shooters,
Above is the link to the results of today's USPSA Rifle Match at the Colorado Rifle Club.
Thanks for all the help with the setup this morning and also, with the help putting all the props away. Your help is greatly appreciated.
Please, look over the results and let me know if there are any changes that I need to make.
I hope that the great weather we had today continues onto next month's match and, if this is the case, I'll see you all again at the range for more shooting fun.
Cy
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Hello Cy, thank you, Sandy, and everyone else who organized such a fun match. If you don't mind, I'd like to submit a few suggestions for you to consider. By no means are these complaints, as I have absolutely nothing to complain about. Just a few ideas that I think would help run an even more fun event.
1. Break up into the maximum number of squads allowed by available ROs and scoring tablets. During the last few matches, I got the sense that Sandy prefers to have as few squads as possible even when more ROs are available. On Saturday, we had only 24 shooters, but the match still went on from 9 am to 2:30+ pm. Five and a half hours seems like a really long time for only 24 people to shoot 4 stages. Increasing from 2 to 4 squads would probably cut the match time in half and we would have had a faster, even more fun pace. More shooting, less waiting is good! This will become even more important as the weather turns hot.
2. Start time was listed as 9 am, but first shots were not until a little after 10 (at least on my squad). I think it would be helpful to have a shooters meeting to register, pay, get briefed, and walk through in that order. Instead, there were pauses leaving us to mill around after each pre-match event and then there was yet another meeting to collect the entry fee after the shooters meeting and the walk through.
3. Clarify and make permanent the rule to allow cooling time for rifles before bagging them. This topic seems to always come up for friendly debate at this match. I'd like to scrape the smoking bag goo off my carbine's barrel and keep it off for good.
4. If you're using the tower, don't make the shooter descend or ascend the stairs while carrying a prop such as the ammo can on Saturday. We had both hands occupied with the rifle and can, leaving us ill prepared to grab a railing in case we stumble, trip, or miss a step. A stumbling shooter would have had to dump the can, rifle, or both to grab a railing. It would be good to avoid having a loaded rifle go clanking down a set of stairs.
5. It would be great to use the 200 yard range even more. After all, we're there to shoot RIFLES :-)
Thanks again for all your work, and I'll see you next month!
8 person squads is about the minimum for fastest throughput.
funkymonkey1111
03-07-2017, 08:30
Hello Cy, thank you, Sandy, and everyone else who organized such a fun match. If you don't mind, I'd like to submit a few suggestions for you to consider. By no means are these complaints, as I have absolutely nothing to complain about. Just a few ideas that I think would help run an even more fun event.
1. Break up into the maximum number of squads allowed by available ROs and scoring tablets. During the last few matches, I got the sense that Sandy prefers to have as few squads as possible even when more ROs are available. On Saturday, we had only 24 shooters, but the match still went on from 9 am to 2:30+ pm. Five and a half hours seems like a really long time for only 24 people to shoot 4 stages. Increasing from 2 to 4 squads would probably cut the match time in half and we would have had a faster, even more fun pace. More shooting, less waiting is good! This will become even more important as the weather turns hot.
2. Start time was listed as 9 am, but first shots were not until a little after 10 (at least on my squad). I think it would be helpful to have a shooters meeting to register, pay, get briefed, and walk through in that order. Instead, there were pauses leaving us to mill around after each pre-match event and then there was yet another meeting to collect the entry fee after the shooters meeting and the walk through.
3. Clarify and make permanent the rule to allow cooling time for rifles before bagging them. This topic seems to always come up for friendly debate at this match. I'd like to scrape the smoking bag goo off my carbine's barrel and keep it off for good.
4. If you're using the tower, don't make the shooter descend or ascend the stairs while carrying a prop such as the ammo can on Saturday. We had both hands occupied with the rifle and can, leaving us ill prepared to grab a railing in case we stumble, trip, or miss a step. A stumbling shooter would have had to dump the can, rifle, or both to grab a railing. It would be good to avoid having a loaded rifle go clanking down a set of stairs.
5. It would be great to use the 200 yard range even more. After all, we're there to shoot RIFLES :-)
Thanks again for all your work, and I'll see you next month!
Could you use a sling going up and down stairs?
You make some really good points here. Allow me to address them individually...
1. As Mark very well mentioned, 8 shooters is about the minimum we can have on each squad. The reason is that 4 shooters (the main RO, the score keeper, the shooter and the person "on deck") are tipically busy and cannot help with brassing and pasting targets. Another shooter suggested breaking down the squads into three on Saturday and I thought it would have been a good idea. The only reason I chose not to was that the Nooks had already been flashed and it would have taken me another 10 minutes to re-sort everyone and re-flash the Nooks and the match start time was already running late. After the match I asked Sandra to reconsider the number of shooters per squad in future matches. Oh and, by the way, don't call her Sandy; I couldn't tell you why but she ABSOLUTELY HATES being called that. [Tooth]
2. I am not trying to make excuses but we were really short-staffed on this match. Each BOD has assigned tasks and with two of them not showing up, this threw a wrench in the works. I was hoping that first shots happened no later than 9:15am but I was unable to get things going until almost 10am.
3. Brad (the Match Director) touched on this subject in last year's couple of matches. His suggestion was to wrap a towel around the barrel while while the rifle is cased. As you very well mentioned, there has been a lot of issue with this rule and we are trying our best to find the perfect solution to it. I think the problem arose early with 3-Gun shooters wanting to do things one way and the match BOD asking shooters to do it another way. I will address this issue with Brad and figure out what ultimately we need to do to standardize this while following the rulebook.
4. In hindsight, the use of the ammo can to force shooters down the stairs was unnecessary. The two targets that were obscured by the no-shoots would have been enough.
5. In all honesty, the problem that we are having with the 200yd berm is that we are running out of ideas about how to setup challenging stages that do not take a crazy amount to time to shoot. I'd also like to have the chance to shoot even farther than 200yds but this would force us to move to a completely different range.
Thanks for the input. I really appreciate it since this is still a new match and we still need to figure out what is working and what needs to be tweaked.
Could you use a sling going up and down stairs?
Yes; in fact, there are a couple of shooters who use a sling on every stage.
I'd love to practice using a sling, but I'm afraid that the rifle will flop around and I'll end up DQ'd for breaking the 180 degree rule or for covering a part of myself, such as feet and knees, with the muzzle.
In USPSA rules, lower extremities are exempted for self-sweeping. But you still have to keep the muzzle forward of the 180. Takes some practice.
I always suggest folks watch the online videos of what to do, and not to do, then practice it dry-fire at home before doing anything at a match.
leatherneck448
03-18-2017, 04:15
Hey folks, I wanted to confirm the May match date (falls on the 6th I believe) with one of you here as it looks like I'll be around for that one.
Couldn't find a hard date on the range website posted.
Thanks,
Kenny
Hey folks, I wanted to confirm the May match date (falls on the 6th I believe) with one of you here as it looks like I'll be around for that one.
Couldn't find a hard date on the range website posted.
Thanks,
Kenny
It is on the calendar: http://crci.org/EventSchedule/tabid/2492/Default.aspx
leatherneck448
03-18-2017, 10:27
Derp. Don't know how I didn't see that, thanks Mark.
See you guys out there!
-Kenny
The USPSA Rifle Colorado State Match is happening on July 1 & 2, 2017.
Sign up link: https://practiscore.com/uspsa-rifle-colorado-state-match/register
What do you think about Saturday? Will the weather cooperate?
Weather looks good so far.
Will there be a new shooter safety class? I have a friend whom I'd like to invite.
Hmm. Might have to give this one a try some time. Looks like fun.
Will there be a new shooter safety class? I have a friend whom I'd like to invite.
Bring your friend. This is a new-shooter friendly event.
If you guys want to register early, you can do so at this link:
https://practiscore.com/crc-uspsa-rifle-may-6-2017/register
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-05-2017, 17:18
Bring your friend. This is a new-shooter friendly event.
If you guys want to register early, you can do so at this link:
https://practiscore.com/crc-uspsa-rifle-may-6-2017/register
My son and I are looking to shoot tomorrow. What time-ish does the match end? We might have to bail early due to a previous engagement.
We just zero'd at 100 and might stop at the silhouette range really fast to see where the guns are hitting at 200 before coming over.
We typically finish about 2pm but if you guys need to leave earlier than that, you can always shoot through.
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Another great match. Thanks all.
Great match indeed thanks to all the help that we got from this awesome group of people that made this another fun event.
Match results can be found at this link:
https://practiscore.com/results/html/9c2c16bb-b6ef-4c82-bf49-243e495c0039
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FromMyColdDeadHand
05-06-2017, 22:21
Great match indeed thanks to all the help that we got from this awesome group of people that made this another fun event.
Match results can be found at this link:
https://practiscore.com/results/html/9c2c16bb-b6ef-4c82-bf49-243e495c0039
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Cy,
Michael and I had to leave early and miss shooting the 'first' stage where I don't have scores, but Michael does? So if someone is missing scores, that is why.
Great fun, and a great match.
leatherneck448
05-07-2017, 00:13
Good shooting with everyone yesterday, had a lot of fun, met some cool people, and actually pulled a decent finish somehow. Heres a couple vids of stages 3 and 4 in glorious 1080p off my Go Pro.
Stage 3 "Speedy"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oiLOIP2LHA
Stage 4 "The Bridge Too Far"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUHf6MzyfMI
I actually took the stage on this one, apparently accuracy by volume is a real thing. lol
Thanks again to Cy and crew for a great match.
-Kenny
Yup. I noticed that your score was missing on stage 1 but another shooter told me you had to leave and couldn't shoot the stage.
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Thanks to all for a great match. It was nice to get back out after almost a year. The new hip held up well, its the shooting I need to work on now. Thanks to Alan and Brandon for all the tips and help with our squad.
Another one coming up on Saturday, right?
Another one coming up on Saturday, right?
I just emailed the Match Director to see if he's going to run a match this weekend. I am sorry to say that I won't be able to make it as I'll be shooting this year's Rocky Mountain 300.
I'll post what he decides as soon as I hear back from the MD.
We will not be holding a USPSA Rifle Match in June. The MD sent me an email this morning and asked me to cancel this coming weekend's match. Sorry about that.
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-02-2017, 11:48
Bummer. The Boy and I will probably go out and run some drills. Already have clearance from Nurse Cratchet to go out. Bummer we won't have the cooler toys or movement.
I am bummed too. I would have hoped that the MD would have decided to run it. The weather tomorrow is going to be super-nice.
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Is there a match on Saturday? If so, what's the start time and is there a new shooter safety briefing if I bring a friend?
Is there a match on Saturday? If so, what's the start time and is there a new shooter safety briefing if I bring a friend?
Yes, we will be hosting the USPSA Rifle event this coming Saturday. Set up begins at 7:30am and the match itself at 9:00am.
We always run an abbreviated safety briefing before every match and, if your friend is really new to firearm events, we will be happy to explain things more in-depth.
The "official" match call email will go out on Thursday night.
I hope to see you guys on Saturday!
Thanks a lot, Cy!!! Do you know if there is a new policy on letting guns cool before bagging? It'll be hot out, and I already have too much bag goo on the barrel. It actually smells when I shoot.
Truth be told, I do not know. It is up to the Match Director and that is Bradley.
Personally, my vote is to set up tables at each stage where we can stage the rifles and bag then between stages. I will share my idea with him and see if he agrees.
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Thank you for such a great match!!! CAN'T WAIT until next month!
Thank you for such a great match!!! CAN'T WAIT until next month!
I'm so glad that you enjoyed it and I look forward to having you join again for next month's match.
Are we on for tomorrow? 9:00 shooter's meeting, right?
Edit:. Well, crap. I just read the cancellation announcement on the Google group. :-(
Are we on for tomorrow? 9:00 shooter's meeting, right?
Edit:. Well, crap. I just read the cancellation announcement on the Google group. :-(
Yup. Cancelled. Sorry about this; I need to have a heart-to-heart with the current Match Director and we need to make some changes. I don't like having to cancel this event when the weather is promising to be this nice but I didn't sign up to run this event solo. My apologies for having cancelled tomorrow's match!! -Cy
FromMyColdDeadHand
08-05-2017, 23:53
How do we join the google group?
How do we join the google group?Follow this info on this link: http://www.ecouspsa.com/results.html
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How do we join the google group?
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/5697-Getting-Your-Match-Results-Announcements
Hello Cy, I hope Saturday's match doesn't get cancelled. The weather will be perfect for an especially high round count match! :-)
Hello Cy, I hope Saturday's match doesn't get cancelled. The weather will be perfect for an especially high round count match! :-)The current match director has a family event that will keep him from shooting on that day and he suggested we cancel the match. Nonetheless, personally, I am tired of all the cancellations so I'm going to go ahead with the match anyway.
I will need help with the setup but, unless an unexpected event happens between today and Saturday, we will have a match.
Stay tuned for the official match call email later this week!
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FromMyColdDeadHand
08-27-2017, 15:01
You the man Cy!
OtterbatHellcat
08-27-2017, 15:32
That's pretty cool, Cy.
By, can you send me the email? Esaabye at yahoo please. How many stages do you run?
By, can you send me the email? Esaabye at yahoo please. How many stages do you run?I send Match Call emails and Match Results via a Google Groups mailing list.
I am not the Group Admin so I cannot add emails, however, you can join the group by visiting:
ecouspsa.com/results.html
My plan is to send the "Official" Match Call email via this Google Groups tomorrow (Thursday).
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The "official" match call email went out a few moments ago. Saturday's match is a 'GO'
Setup starts at 7:30am and the match itself at 9:00am. If you can help with the setup, please show up early as we will be short on staff.
Here is the online registration link: https://practiscore.com/crc-uspsa-rifle-20170902/register
You do not have to register online; you can register at the range on the morning of the event. However, the online registration makes things easier for me so, if have a minute, please consider registering via the posted link. The match fee is not paid until the morning of the match.
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-03-2017, 10:27
Great fun yesterday. Thanks again for that Cy. Great fun talking to all the Erics.
Thanks a lot, Cy! Great match and you also made my friend Michael feel welcomed at his first ever match!
Good match Cy, only suggestion would be to stretch out on those longer bays. Hate to see only 1/2 of the 100 and 200 yd bays used. I enjoyed the match and the speed was fun just like to see some harder rifle targets mixed in.
... only suggestion would be to stretch out on those longer bays.
Thank you for your kind words and for all the great help setting up and tearing down the stages!! You all made the match really fun.
I agree with stretching the distance to targets. The only reason why I kept yesterday's steel a bit closer was to make the resetting of the stage easier.
The other thing that I believe would be fun is using smaller targets.
BTW, suggestions are always welcome. After all this is a match for all the participants and it is you, the shooter, who tells the BOD what it is you like to see more of.
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Hi Cy, I was wondering if you heard anything about next weekend. Will the match take place as usual?
Scheduled for October 7, so hopefully it will dry out by then. If dry, we will have it.
Scheduled for October 7, so hopefully it will dry out by then. If dry, we will have it.That's great news. I'm keeping my fingers crossed in hopes of great weather.
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Got my fingers crossed, hoping for cooperative weather!
FromMyColdDeadHand
10-06-2017, 08:14
So, are we on? Might be able to make it.
Not sure yet. The ground is still muddy based on current intel. If we don't get some sun, or if it rains...:(
Ground is dry, we are a go.
I have 5 stages if we have enough people to build, otherwise going with 4. Round count is going to be about 150 rounds. Open, Limited, Tactical, PCC.
Set up at 7:30, hope to be shooting by 9am.
CANCELLED! Huge T-Storm came up, with hail. Worried it won't dry out tonight with the cool and cloud cover. Driving on the bays when wet it absolutely prohibited. Sorry.
Sorry gang, we tried but that late afternoon thunderstorm forced us to cancel the event.
Fingers crossed in hopes of pleasant weather next month!!
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Are you planning for a match on Saturday?
I was just about to ask the same question.
Sorry gang but I do not know the status of Saturday's Carbine Match. My assumption is that, since the weather looks like is going to be nice this weekend, Mark is going to go ahead with it but, in all fairness, we'll have to wait for a match call email to be sure.
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electronman1729
11-01-2017, 20:49
Sorry gang but I do not know the status of Saturday's Carbine Match. My assumption is that, since the weather looks like is going to be nice this weekend, Mark is going to go ahead with it but, in all fairness, we'll have to wait for a match call email to be sure.
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Hello
I would like to attend this can you PM with some more info?
Hello
I would like to attend this can you PM with some more info?Since this is a fairly new type of shooting match in the Rocky Mountain region, it is still evolving though, in general the Carbine Match (officially named"USPSA Rifle") is an action-shooting event based on USPSA courses of fire where we engage targets (cardboard and steel) at distances ranging from 5 to 200 yards. Most participants shoot AR-style semi-automatic rifles either with optics (red-dots or scopes) or with open sights. It's a very fun and also challenging event.
Until a few months ago I, as well as others, was helping run this event but had to step down from my position as score keeper due to lack of time on my part. The person currently in charge Mark P. is in the process of assembling a new group of people to continue running this event. I am certain that he and the group of folks he chooses will continue to make this event a very fun one.
I don't doubt that Mark will post on this thread soon to let us know more about the planned change that we may be seeing in the 2018 shooting season. I think that he is better suited to answer any questions about this event that you may have.
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Please do update this post if you would as I have not been successful in getting the mailing list to work for me. Weather looks good!
Sorry gang but I do not know the status of Saturday's Carbine Match. My assumption is that, since the weather looks like is going to be nice this weekend, Mark is going to go ahead with it but, in all fairness, we'll have to wait for a match call email to be sure.
I can not run the match on Saturday due to other obligations. We need some folks who enjoy this match to step up and volunteer to help run it.
It is more than just putting some targets out. CRC has several requirements for match staff including safety issues, management of the sign-up scoring, etc. None of it is hard, but it takes several people to set-up and run matches.
Cy runs several other matches at CRC and elsewhere, as do I and most of the other folks that run matches. This is why folks get burned out.
So, no match on Saturday, right?
So, no match on Saturday, right?
Sadly, yes, you are correct. No USPSA Rifle match at CRC tomorrow.
For those of you who enjoy this match, time to step up. :)
Cy already runs too many matches and he stepped into the breech so to speak to help out the last few of these. Brad is out and I don't have the time to do them either. If I can get a few folks to commit to helping set-up.score, tear down on a regular basis, I will add this to the calendar for 2018. I am sure Cy will come to some and I will try to be at as many as I can. I can also help with stages even if I can't make the match.
Just need some folks to raise their hands.
Matt Hess has stepped up to be the MD for the CRC USPSA/Carbine match. Still first Saturday of the month, starting in March with September being the last for 2018. Matt will, of course, need help administering the matches. He has been the MD for several clubs and is very experienced in running matches.
That is GREAT news! Thank you Matt!!
Any chance of this coming Saturday, the 6th? :-)
That is GREAT news! Thank you Matt!!
Any chance of this coming Saturday, the 6th? :-)
Nope. Not until March.
FromMyColdDeadHand
01-09-2018, 16:31
Really good to hear. Really had fun last year on the couple of matches we could make.
Denver_AR
01-12-2018, 22:18
Carbine Shooters,
This is Matthew Hess. If you've shot USPSA at Aurora, you've likely met me and shot on some of my stages.
Do you have a carbine, SBR, or bullpup languishing in your safe? If you're looking for a venue to exercise your carbine, I invite you to come to the CRC match.
My goal is to put on a match that's enjoyable for anyone with a semi-auto carbine mentioned above. “Can I shoot my JP race rifle?” Yes and you will likely do well, but you might find the stages are not up to the challenge the rifle was built to address. If this style of match interests you, the first match is scheduled for March 3rd.
But I can't put this match on alone. I need folks that can develop and build stages.
Schedule – Currently first Saturday of month, March through September. See crci.org (http://crci.org), Event Schedule, USPSA Rifle.
Rules & rifle divisions – essentially the same as last year but will publish details before first match.
Match format – mostly run-and-gun field courses. We'll be using the east pistol berms 7-13, including the 200yd range.
If you're willing to help with match, PM me here.
Matthew
Super pumped for trying this out in March! What kind of optics do you recommend using? Red dot/holographic or a 1-4x/6x/8x, fixed power prism, etc?
Super pumped for trying this out in March! What kind of optics do you recommend using? Red dot/holographic or a 1-4x/6x/8x, fixed power prism, etc?
Red dot or a 1-4 will be fine. Targets only go out to 200, and those are usually 10" flashers. You could technically shoot the match with a Red dot on a 9mm PCC.
Even if you don't have a carbine, feel free to hit me up and if you buy factory ammo, I have several I can loan out for the match.
Red dot or a 1-4 will be fine. Targets only go out to 200, and those are usually 10" flashers. You could technically shoot the match with a Red dot on a 9mm PCC.
Even if you don't have a carbine, feel free to hit me up and if you buy factory ammo, I have several I can loan out for the match.
That's really cool of you, especially for those who are on the edge about joining the sport! I am building an AR right now (aka I have a lower and that's it haha) and figure now is a good time to build it so I can participate. Just want to build it right and not have to sell and rebuy parts!
What time are the matches usually over? I'd like to participate but have to work at 4pm on saturdays.
What time are the matches usually over? I'd like to participate but have to work at 4pm on saturdays.
I'd say as long as you get there early to help set-up, even if you have to leave early, just let Matt know and it is not a problem at all. But, usually, the matches have been over about 3 to 4 pm. I can only assume Matt is going to be a little more efficient and the matches will be over around 2 or so.
The folks who show up 5 minutes before the shooters brief and then leave before their squad is done is what we really don't want to have happen.
FromMyColdDeadHand
02-27-2018, 16:29
Will we be using the the same sign up system like last time?
Will we be using the the same sign up system like last time?Yes as it makes things much easier on match day.
We are looking at the weather for any last minute snow but, so far things are looking good for a match on Saturday.
The official match call email will go out on Thursday and, along with it, the link to sign up for the match online using Practiscore.
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mattiooo
02-27-2018, 21:28
I'm not sure I can come on Saturday, but I'd like to try this match out. How do I get on the mailing list?
I'm not sure I can come on Saturday, but I'd like to try this match out. How do I get on the mailing list?We are going to be sending out match call emails via the ECOUSPSA Google Group but you may also want to subscribe to this thread. I'll post it here too.
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How much ammo do you recommend bringing? And my suppressor was just released from jail, are we allowed to run those at matches?
Edit: I saw the recommendations on the first page, just curious if those were still accurate.
The ammunition quantity is still correct. As far as suppressors go: in the past, we have allowed the use of suppressors as long as we have not had issues with the timers picking up the shot. For the most part, this has never been a problem with rifles shooting 5.56mm but it may be problematic if the competitor is shooting subsonic 300AAC or 9mm ammunition. Ultimately, the decision is up to the Match Director (Matt H.). Saturday's is going to be his first time as MD for this event. As you can imagine, he has his hands full with running this match while making it both safe and fun.
I will take a stab at it and tell you to bring the suppressor with you but please don't be dissapointed if Matt makes the decision to say "no-go" to suppressors. Like I said before, the ultimate authority on equipment restrictions resides with him.
I look forward to seeing you at the range on Saturday!!
Cy
The ammunition quantity is still correct. As far as suppressors go: in the past, we have allowed the use of suppressors as long as we have not had issues with the timers picking up the shot. For the most part, this has never been a problem with rifles shooting 5.56mm but it may be problematic if the competitor is shooting subsonic 300AAC or 9mm ammunition. Ultimately, the decision is up to the Match Director (Matt H.). Saturday's is going to be his first time as MD for this event. As you can imagine, he has his hands full with running this match while making it both safe and fun.
I will take a stab at it and tell you to bring the suppressor with you but please don't be dissapointed if Matt makes the decision to say "no-go" to suppressors. Like I said before, the ultimate authority on equipment restrictions resides with him.
I look forward to seeing you at the range on Saturday!!
Cy
Thanks Cy! One more question, how many mags do you recommend bringing? I just finished my AR yesterday after not having one for a few years and want to make sure I bring all the right gear. I've been doing a few pistol competitions lately but this will be my first rifle comp.
Thanks Cy! One more question, how many mags do you recommend bringing? I just finished my AR yesterday after not having one for a few years and want to make sure I bring all the right gear. I've been doing a few pistol competitions lately but this will be my first rifle comp.Bring at least two 30 rounders (more is better). I always bring 4 loaded forty rounders and' that way, I do not have to worry about loading magazines while at the range.
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Bring at least two 30 rounders (more is better). I always bring 4 loaded forty rounders and' that way, I do not have to worry about loading magazines while at the range.
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Thanks, can't wait to go!
Destro Yakisoba
02-28-2018, 16:42
Just heard these matches are going on again, last night while shooting at a pin match. Will keep an eye out for the signup email on ecouspsa. [rockon]
Is there any issue with using green tip ammo or is that a no no? Don't want to ruin any steel targets!
Sorry but, bi-metal, steel-core or any other type of "penetrator" type ammunition is prohibited. These would ding and even punch through our steel targets.
Here is a copy of the match call email that we just sent out via the ECOUSPA Google Group:
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Shooters,
This coming Saturday, March 3, 2018 the Colorado Rifle Club will be hosting its first Action Rifle match of the year. As in the past, plan on arriving at the range at 7:00am to help with the setup. If we get a lot of help, we will call for a shooter’s meeting at 9:00am and begin shooting shortly after that. The match fee is still $20 ($15 if you help with the setup).
You will need approximately 135 to 150 rounds of ammunition but I suggest you bring 200 just to make sure you have enough for makeup shots, etc. Speaking of ammunition, remember that armor-piercing, incendiary and all type of “penetrator” type ammunition if strictly prohibited. That means no M855, steel-core, bi-metal or any similar type of ammo.
In the interest of safety, our new Match Director, Matthew H. has implemented a few changes to the format of this event. For example, the use of a chamber flag will be required! Please take a moment to read the attachments that accompany this email to learn about these changes and, if you have any questions that are not answered there, you can ask him directly at this email address: mhess.2011@gmail.com
You can register at the following link (the match fee will be collected on match day): https://practiscore.com/crc-action-rifle-march-03-2018/register
See you all on Saturday morning!
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Ok thanks, wasn't sure if green tipped was steel or what it was. I don't have a empty chamber indicator. Is there something around the house or at a local store I could use as one until I get a real one?
Ok thanks, wasn't sure if green tipped was steel or what it was. I don't have a empty chamber indicator. Is there something around the house or at a local store I could use as one until I get a real one?
Green tip not allowed. A brightly colored piece of paracord through the ejection port and out through the magwell will work in a pinch. You could make one out of plastic stock or even a wood dowel. Empty cases are not okay.
Ok thanks, wasn't sure if green tipped was steel or what it was. I don't have a empty chamber indicator. Is there something around the house or at a local store I could use as one until I get a real one?
I'll be bringing a handful of flag chambers to distribute at the range. Time to rummage through my old pistol/rifle boxes to see what chamber-flag treasures I find!
:-)
Thanks guys! Sorry for all the questions, just don't want to get there and not be able to shoot or get DQ'd.
FromMyColdDeadHand
03-01-2018, 10:18
I think a gun bag for the rifle is really handy to bag the rifle when moving from stage to stage. We don't have to have one, but it makes the match easier.
Cy- I didn't double register, the boy is coming out too.
Cy- I didn't double register, the boy is coming out too.
Awesome! See you both on Saturday.
Denver_AR
03-01-2018, 10:33
I'll be bringing a handful of flag chambers to distribute at the range. Time to rummage through my old pistol/rifle boxes to see what chamber-flag treasures I find!
:-)
I also have about 12 flags available.
Matthew
Destro Yakisoba
03-01-2018, 11:04
What's the deal with major and minor power factors for rifles at this match? Looking through this https://uspsa.org/viewer/RifleShotgunMultigunRules.pdf It shows 150pf for minor and 320pf major. Is everyone going to be scored minor? Just wondering.
Thanks,
Mike
What's the deal with major and minor power factors for rifles at this match? Looking through this https://uspsa.org/viewer/RifleShotgunMultigunRules.pdf It shows 150pf for minor and 320pf major.
Thanks,
MikeUSPSA/IPSC make this difference based on bullet weight and velocity but, since this is not a USPSA nor IPSC match and, in the interest of facilitating the scoring process, we decided to score every rifle Minor. It just makes things easier on our end.
AR10 type rifles in any of its caliber variants are welcome but they are also scored minor.
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Destro Yakisoba
03-01-2018, 11:16
Ok great, just wanted to see how it was going to be scored.
See you guys Sat!
AR10 type rifles in any of its caliber variants are welcome but they are also scored minor.
True for the most part. While Matt did not add it into the rules, we still have to enforce a maximum PF (300) and Muzzle velocity (3000 fps) so we don't ruin the steel.
otucker89
03-02-2018, 00:15
Hey Guys, first post and first match in CO. Super stoked.
I am going to bust out my AR and give this match a go tomorrow!!!
Great comp today, it was a blast!! Always fun meeting new people too.
Destro Yakisoba
03-03-2018, 15:49
Agreed!! That was a fun match. I really liked the difficulty of the last stage with the 3 steel plates. Can't wait till the next one!!
FromMyColdDeadHand
03-03-2018, 16:16
Great fun. Stages were a not overly complex, but challenging.
I'd like to use the whole 200 yards of the last berm. We have the facility, let's use it to the full effect.
A great crowd. Not too many to slow things down, but enough to set up and tear down.
https://youtu.be/imUa6F6LE6c
Clip from one of my better-ish stages and my favorite stage.
Here are the results of today's match:
https://practiscore.com/results/new/52049
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Great fun. Stages were a not overly complex, but challenging.
I'd like to use the whole 200 yards of the last berm. We have the facility, let's use it to the full effect.
Glad you enjoyed the stages. We certainly plan to use the whole 200 yards (It was about 100 and 130 on it today), but we still saw a lot of folks struggle on those plates. While we only had 7 of 49 go over 80 seconds, I surmise looking at the scores, if it was 200 it would have been 20+. Also, 30 seconds taking 3 misses was still a 0.5HF and lengthening distance on HF scoring really invites folks to game stages.
If I took that exact same course and stretched it out to 200 and 150, I would have made it be one of two ways. 1. 30 second fixed time (shoot as many points as you can in 30 seconds). That would mean your points is your score. or 2. A 60 second par time with the long steel designated as enhanced penalty targets (basically double miss penalties on the steel). Those are the ways to prevent gaming of the stage and keep the time per shooter reasonable for match flow. That was a 7.6 MOA target, at 200 it is a 5 MOA target. Our plan is to stay at 4 MOA or greater, so certainly within acceptable accuracy range.
I do have several stages that ONLY have 1 to 3 targets at 200 yards with multiple engagements and 6 to 15 rounds that take the paper out of the mix, which is really a better way to run the 200 yard berm for HF scoring, so I will put one of those together for April 1st and you all will be able to see that style and then give feedback to Matt which is preferable as we develop the flavor of the match.
I really like the 3 standards on the 100 yard berm mixed with the 2 hoser stages and the 200. Thanks all for coming out and helping make it a great day.
I forgot to announce at the shooters meeting that we have a precision rifle 2 gun test match (Precision rifle and a 9mm) on March 31 at CRC. The thread on that is here: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/166913-PRS-Club-Match-at-Colorado-Rifle-Club
otucker89
03-04-2018, 00:29
I had such a great time today guys, will def. be back for the next one.
Destro Yakisoba
04-05-2018, 11:02
Is there going to be a practiscore sign up like last time?
I'd say with the projected rain/snow tomorrow, there is a decent chance it will be cancelled.
Check www.crci.org before you head out Saturday morning.
Destro Yakisoba
04-05-2018, 14:59
Understood. Thanks!
Is the weather going to put the kibosh on this match, or is there still hope?
Denver_AR
04-06-2018, 16:41
Kibosh indeed!
Match is canceled due to weather.
Matthew
Cancelled. There is snow on the ground and it is cold and snowing now. No sun expected, so the berms will be muddy, thus NO vehicles allowed on berms.
Sorry, but cancelled for tomorrow.
Denver_AR
05-03-2018, 23:51
Action Rifle Shooters,
Some updates regarding match.
Scoring - This is a volunteer sport and we need people who can run the scoring nooks. If you're not familiar with PractiScore, take 15 minutes and watch this tutorial on youtube. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYQAEDfdndw)
Match equipment - This is a rifle match, no pistols while competing.
Staging table protocol
The staging table is for bagging and unbagging of rifle. It's likely there will not be space on the table for everyone to store their rifle at the same time. Use racks or keep rifles bagged and off table to give the current shooter and on-deck shooter space to get ready. If your rifle is too hot to bag after stage, use rack or table but bag it and move when possible.
Tables are intentionally placed against side berm to prevent of sweeping others during bagging & unbagging. No one should be between table and side berm.
Trash - Just like in the wilderness, "Pack it in, pack it out". CRC has limited trash service and it's expensive. The trash barrels on the berms have been removed as they blow over resulting in trash distributed over the county. The lath barrels should also not be used for trash.
See you at the match!
Matthew
Is the range going to dry out in time for tomorrow's match?
Denver_AR
05-05-2018, 05:20
Match is currently GO!
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-31-2018, 02:41
Is this the match that is labelled "Action Rifle" in the CRCI website calendar for June 2?
Is this the match that is labelled "Action Rifle" in the CRCI website calendar for June 2?Yes, that's the one. We had to change the name of the event but the rules and scoring are the same.
The weather this weekend is looking good. If you would like to join us, you can sign up online. Here is the registration link:
https://practiscore.com/crc-action-rifle-june-02-2018/register
(registration closes on Friday, June 1 at 8:00pm).
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FromMyColdDeadHand
05-31-2018, 23:27
IN.
Out of curiosity, does 22lr count for PCC? Or does it need to be centerfire?
IN.
Out of curiosity, does 22lr count for PCC? Or does it need to be centerfire?
.22LR is not PCC. It will be hard, if not impossible for the RO to call hits on the longer steel. If that is all you have, ask Matt and he might let you shoot for no-score.
Denver_AR
06-01-2018, 08:02
.22LR is not PCC. It will be hard, if not impossible for the RO to call hits on the longer steel. If that is all you have, ask Matt and he might let you shoot for no-score.
Yep, there may be some challenges but we'll try to work it out.
Matthew
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-01-2018, 11:45
I'm set for tomorrow. Thinking more of getting my daughter into it and a way to transition her in. Thanks for the accommodations.
A big thank you to Mathew and everyone else who planned and ran a super fun match. I think this is the first time that I've ever been satisfied with a sufficiently high round count!
One quick suggestion - what do you think of increasing the number of squads? Even after two of our shooters were DQ'd, we still shot until 3 pm. Another squad or two, and our time on the range would have dropped dramatically.
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-04-2018, 22:35
How about raising the fee to $50 and handing out $30 to the people left at the end of tear down.... And I think Matt stayed longer to parse through the barrels and lats.
I don't know where the time goes. Our group didn't seem to have that much down time. Taping up didn't seem to take that long. There wasn't much time spent waiting for a group to get off a stage. The stages seemed to have efficient design. Did we start shooting really late?
Did we have three or four groups? I guess the first measure is how long stages sit with out anyone on them?
The only comment on stage design was the Illuminati. Odd to start out and have to jump back 10 feet to the shooting area. The timer had to stand behind the shooter to beep them and then jump back to get out of the way. The other thing on that stage was the three long steel shots. It seems the most efficient way to run the stage from a point standing was to just shoot three rounds down range and take the misses. Some one can explain to me the math on that.
Does there have to be a mix of paper and steel on a stage? If not, for the longer shoots maybe set up steel and run a VTAC wall. Support will help with shot percents and keep the times down, and force some improvised shooting positions. I'd help out constructing one.
rustycrusty
06-04-2018, 23:09
I believe we have 2 of those walls in the corral at CRC. For certain, we have one in the open area between the furthest east conex boxes.
I enjoyed the smaller steel this time, though I completely lost all hope of achieving a winning time due to that stage. That one taught a lesson.
There was a particularly accurate shooter on my squad who was able to smash that stage and the other steel stage with a 16” 9mm carbine. I’m guessing 10% of his overall time was waiting for the round to actually make it to the steel. Inspiring to watch.
This match had the most entertaining stage design yet, IMO.
Im anxious to see the scores for this one.
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FromMyColdDeadHand
06-05-2018, 06:28
Enjoy...
https://practiscore.com/results/new/58196
They were up later Saturday night. Thanks to who ever (Matt?) that got them up so fast.
So what does one have to do to DQ on 2 Gun’s?
Denver_AR
06-05-2018, 08:28
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I don't know where the time goes. Our group didn't seem to have that much down time. Taping up didn't seem to take that long. There wasn't much time spent waiting for a group to get off a stage. The stages seemed to have efficient design. Did we start shooting really late?
Did we have three or four groups? I guess the first measure is how long stages sit with out anyone on them?
The only comment on stage design was the Illuminati. Odd to start out and have to jump back 10 feet to the shooting area. The timer had to stand behind the shooter to beep them and then jump back to get out of the way. The other thing on that stage was the three long steel shots. It seems the most efficient way to run the stage from a point standing was to just shoot three rounds down range and take the misses. Some one can explain to me the math on that.
Does there have to be a mix of paper and steel on a stage? If not, for the longer shoots maybe set up steel and run a VTAC wall. Support will help with shot percents and keep the times down, and force some improvised shooting positions. I'd help out constructing one.
Time-wise, there were several things that worked against us. Bit of a late start due to sign up and setup issues. Running three squads instead of four, and tear down was single threaded due to single truck & trailer in action. I hope to have a 2nd trailer available next match, and will have more signup help in future. I'd also like to have a few volunteers who can "own" stage setup. That is, we'll drop off props and stage diagram and they and their team will handle building it out.
I liked Illuminati and the short uprange run, it provided a challenge in rifle handling but I didn't feel was excessive or ridiculous. It's not necessary for the RO to hover over the shooter at start. Stand a few steps back, then retreat with shooter.
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There was a particularly accurate shooter on my squad who was able to smash that stage and the other steel stage with a 16" 9mm carbine. I’m guessing 10% of his overall time was waiting for the round to actually make it to the steel. Inspiring to watch.
This ^^^. Although some folks were able to do better then others by blowing off the steel, the top scorers for the stage hit all the steel.
So what does one have to do to DQ on 2 Gun’s?
180 violations caught some shooters on Saturday. See "Carbine Rules" posted here:
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/157644-CRC-Beyers-Practical-Rifle?p=2123390&viewfull=1#post2123390
Matthew
So what does one have to do to DQ on 2 Gun’s?
Back flip
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-05-2018, 09:44
I liked Illuminati and the short uprange run, it provided a challenge in rifle handling but I didn't feel was excessive or ridiculous. It's not necessary for the RO to hover over the shooter at start. Stand a few steps back, then retreat with shooter.
I disagree. Add challenge in rifle handling in shooting positions. Why not have a barrel start and the shooter move forward the same distance? You have backward movement over a low trip hazard like the 2x2 wood and the timer and shooter both moving backwards. Frankly, I think the rules are too loose. I don't think there should be any rearward movement and I think the design rule should be 2x45-60degrees, as in targets are on in a cone 45-60degrees either side of downrange. The 180 is like a firing line, as long as everyone is in line with the shooter. Placement of targets near the 180 leads to some stages that seem odd. There should be a bias for left to right movement if it is perpendicular to the end berm. All I'm saying is bake more safety into the stage so you take less chance to screw up from the shooter.
I liked the smaller IPSC targets. That was a cool addition.
I disagree. Add challenge in rifle handling in shooting positions. Why not have a barrel start and the shooter move forward the same distance? You have backward movement over a low trip hazard like the 2x2 wood and the timer and shooter both moving backwards. Frankly, I think the rules are too loose. I don't think there should be any rearward movement and I think the design rule should be 2x45-60degrees, as in targets are on in a cone 45-60degrees either side of downrange. The 180 is like a firing line, as long as everyone is in line with the shooter. Placement of targets near the 180 leads to some stages that seem odd. There should be a bias for left to right movement if it is perpendicular to the end berm. All I'm saying is bake more safety into the stage so you take less chance to screw up from the shooter.
I liked the smaller IPSC targets. That was a cool addition.
I have been designing and running stages and matches at the National level for a long time, and Matt has been doing this a long time too. When you put training wheels on, people will lean on them and ultimately be LESS safe and less capable. This has been proven time and time again.
That said, feel free to offer Matt a stage design and set it up at the next match. The more help given, in this volunteer sport, the less hassle it is for Matt (or any MD) to run the matches. We will have a new trailer soon. Learning to run the tablet is a big help as is set-up and tear down. We offer a small incentive to help set-up, but we won't ever be paying folks $30 to tear down. You enjoy the matches, help with running them and encourage your squad mates to do the same.
rustycrusty
06-05-2018, 20:02
Enjoy...
https://practiscore.com/results/new/58196
They were up later Saturday night. Thanks to who ever (Matt?) that got them up so fast.
Thanks! Don’t know how I missed them.
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Please understand that Matthew had to run last Saturday's match without the help of some of the regulars. I assure you that he appreciates all the input he can get from the shooters but, more importantly, he appreciates your direct help even more.
I speak from experience when I say that designing stages that are both challenging as well as well as fun, is no easy task. Your stage design ideas are always welcome; you can send them in via email. Though, it important to add that one must not to be dissapointed if the stage you submited has to be tweaked to comply with the rules of the game.
Let me repeat what Mark P. said in a previous post: this is a volunteer sport. It takes a village a to run these events effectively; and we count on your help to do so.
Lastly, if there is any doubt about how your match fee is being used, let me emphasise that NOBODY here is making a cent out of running these matches. 100% of the proceeds of ALL events that take place at CRC are paid out to the range for hosting us or are used to buy targets, props, paint or equipment (like the 2nd trailer that we are looking to purchase).
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-07-2018, 08:01
I wasn't implying anything about the money outside of trying to get people to stick around- and I understand that the longer the day goes on, the more people have other obligations. I didn't expect it to last as long as it did. 7-8 hours at the range for 3 minutes of shooting starts to stretch the value proposition- and I'm not discounting the value of the banter. ;) . Often times when matches are slow you can see where the issues are, that is what most surprised me, was that there didn't seem to be anything amiss.
Is there a design rule that there has to be some paper on steel-ish stage like we do at 200?
I wasn't implying anything about the money outside of trying to get people to stick around- and I understand that the longer the day goes on, the more people have other obligations. I didn't expect it to last as long as it did. 7-8 hours at the range for 3 minutes of shooting starts to stretch the value proposition- and I'm not discounting the value of the banter. ;) . Often times when matches are slow you can see where the issues are, that is what most surprised me, was that there didn't seem to be anything amiss.
Is there a design rule that there has to be some paper on steel-ish stage like we do at 200?
One of the reasons for the close paper on the 200 is so that newer shooters will be able to gain some points. The hope is that, as the general group learns the game, learns their holds and develops skill, the difficulty of the 200 yard stage can increase some. The biggest complaints I have heard about the 200 yard stages are that they are too hard, and that people can not hit the 200 yard targets. Trust me when I say I could design a 10 round stage with steel at 200 that maybe only the top 5 or 6 people in Saturday's match would not have zero'd. So fun for 5, but not fun for 35. Patience...we will get there.
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-07-2018, 13:42
Thanks to all you that take the leadership on this, it is greatly appreciated. My son has a blast on it and he finished in the top 25% this last match.
I know what you mean about the 100+ yard shots. That's why I thought the VTAC walls to give support, but force some positions might be good. Not saying we should try to get people taking canted shots at 200 yards . ;)
One rule that I think we do need to add is no more short-shorts, for Brits- or really anyone, especially if fluorescent colors.
Thanks to all you that take the leadership on this, it is greatly appreciated. My son has a blast on it and he finished in the top 25% this last match.
I know what you mean about the 100+ yard shots. That's why I thought the VTAC walls to give support, but force some positions might be good. Not saying we should try to get people taking canted shots at 200 yards . ;)
One rule that I think we do need to add is no more short-shorts, for Brits- or really anyone, especially if fluorescent colors.
Canted shots is certainly a skill worth testing, with enough notice and improvement, we might get there. :) In most cases, you can go prone too, so part of that is skill, part of that is experience to know when you need support, and get it.
As for the shorts...not going there. )
One rule that I think we do need to add is no more short-shorts, for Brits- or really anyone, especially if fluorescent colors.
I feel cheated... Even though I was not there to witness it, this is no less than the third time I have heard about the shorts. Somebody must have lost a bet... :-)
7-8 hours at the range for 3 minutes of shooting starts to stretch the value proposition?
I feel your pain. When lunch time comes around and my stomach starts rumbling, the fun-factor disappears.
One rule that I think we do need to add is no more short-shorts, for Brits- or really anyone, especially if fluorescent colors.
I think short shorts should be mandatory.
I think short shorts should be mandatory.
And tube socks. Nothing goes with the short shorts like a pair of knee high tube socks.
mattiooo
06-13-2018, 18:13
This just became
https://i.imgur.com/v6sCGiB.jpg
liftmorebitchless
06-18-2018, 11:30
One rule that I think we do need to add is no more short-shorts, for Brits- or really anyone, especially if fluorescent colors.
Fear not chaps, it was just a one off on one stage for a laugh (though I do have non-neon ones... XD ).
I will point out there is a fine heritage of men with short-shorts and guns :)
Rhodesia scouts (https://i.redditmedia.com/b3Hd9y6X8OtNK85MhOiWSZZ3c1ZrUMwgrwixhZ3S6HU.jpg?fi t=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&)
UDT Dive shorts of the Seals (https://cdn.totalfratmove.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/06907086c0305aefdbf8e821277b39a5-768x1024.jpg) (Seals)
Ranger Panties (https://www.goruck.com/ranger-panties/)
Delfuego
06-18-2018, 14:35
I will point out there is a fine heritage of men with short-shorts and guns :)
Ranger Panties (https://www.goruck.com/ranger-panties/)$20 for Ranger Panties!?!?!?! I will just go Commando for free ;)
stevenc23
06-18-2018, 15:44
$20 for Ranger Panties!?!?!?! I will just go Commando for free ;)
I will pay for you NOT to go commando [facepalm]
Hey guys, it is supposed to be 95 F on Saturday in Byers. I was wondering what your thoughts are regarding establishing the maximum number of squads in order to keep the match moving quickly. I realize the limiting factor is going to be the number of available ROs.
Hey guys, it is supposed to be 95 F on Saturday in Byers. I was wondering what your thoughts are regarding establishing the maximum number of squads in order to keep the match moving quickly. I realize the limiting factor is going to be the number of available ROs.Do tell. What is you idea/suggestion?
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Hey guys, it is supposed to be 95 F on Saturday in Byers. I was wondering what your thoughts are regarding establishing the maximum number of squads in order to keep the match moving quickly. I realize the limiting factor is going to be the number of available ROs.
Do tell. What is you idea/suggestion?
One entry per person to start (I was an ass and shot twice last time and saw the time it added, never again). I'm not sure how having a certain number of squads would speed anything up, last match a squad was still shooting when we finished our last stage.
Paste fast if you want to speed the match up, I guess.
And start hydrating today, if you wait until the night before, it's already too late.
EDIT: Seems I'm wrong, after some napkin math. Maybe more, smaller squads would speed things up.
liftmorebitchless
07-05-2018, 11:22
Hey guys, it is supposed to be 95 F on Saturday in Byers. I was wondering what your thoughts are regarding establishing the maximum number of squads in order to keep the match moving quickly. I realize the limiting factor is going to be the number of available ROs.
Last Aurora pistol match the squad I was in ran into the squad in front of us twice, we waited 15-20 minutes the first time I think.
The difference always seems to be people taping and resetting versus standing around and chatting. The squad with more people up and ready to tape/reset know the running order is quicker.
Squads of 8 to 10 has been proven, time and time again, to be the fastest time per shooter when stage reset is required. If everyone works, 6-8 is the ticket, but no way to make sure all shooters will work quickly all the time.
How about finding out how many ROs can commit ahead of time and limiting registration to 8 people per squad? With on-line registration, it may be possible.
Denver_AR
07-05-2018, 23:01
Yea, July in eastern Colorado! 95 degree temps will likely be its own correcting issue on shooter turn out.
Current plan is five stages but will reduce round count and distance (a bit) to reduce stage reset time. If we can get enough RO's we'll have five squads, probably around 8 shooters per squad based on past turn out. If we can't get enough RO's I'll need to drop a squad and stage.
Matthew
The early registration page is now active.
LINK FOR EARLY SIGN UP: https://practiscore.com/crc-action-rifle-july-07-2018/register
We hope to see you all there!
Denver_AR
07-06-2018, 15:28
We now have a 2nd trailer at CRC for schlepping props! If you have truck/SUV with 2" ball, it will greatly help setup and teardown.
Fun times today at the range. Was it hot? You betcha!! That did not keep us from having a great time.
Thanks to all for all the help with set-up, tear-down and, above all, for all the great ideas about ways in which we can keep improving this event!
Here is the link to results:
https://practiscore.com/results/html/5e3c0085-4a8e-401c-8b89-9e9d2b5e63e8
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FromMyColdDeadHand
07-07-2018, 17:27
Lots of fun. Really starting to appreciate the need for speed for points and HF. Set-up and tear down were all faster. Tom and I spent a lot of time putting one stage up. It is interesting how paper plan has to be tweaked for reality. And someone always bitches in the end ;) .
I wouldn't mind trying to design a stage. What is the best resource for the rules on stage design, versus reverse engineering from experience? The 2x2 walls are so much easier to work with, and I have some ideas on further light weighting. Maybe for the next one I could set up an 'experimental' bay to see how they might work?
Anyone else go for the face on the knife target?
Impressive to have 46 shooters today. Well done folks.
As for stage design, the best bet is to just design one and send it to Matt or me along with your "theory" on what you are trying to test or do with the stage. Fresh ideas are good and sometimes get hampered if bogged down in the rules, so just let us tweak as needed afterwards.
Steel should really be at 55 yards for moving targets and 100 yards for static targets. Paper can be 1 to 200 yards, but think about reset time walking down to paper at 200. That said, you can do 3 or 4 arrays at 200 and then shoot that number of shooters before walking down and scoring.
Anyone else go for the face on the knife target?
One of the guys in our squad decided against stabbing and instead beheaded the target. [emoji43]
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It is interesting how paper plan has to be tweaked for reality.
No doubt that stage design and building is always challenging. There is only one way to get better at this and that is to just do it.
Tom has a lot of experience doing both and he is great to work with. I have designed stages, given them to Tom and let him interpret the design by adding his own flair to it. I have yet to be disappointed by his execution. He always manages to take an idea and elevate the fun factor by quite a few notches.
As Mark said, start putting ideas on paper and share them with others. Be receptive to criticism and never, never, never fall in love with your own vision of the stage. It's humbling to watch another person dissect your idea and point out details that had not occurred to you.
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FIFY... It's FUN to watch another person dissect your idea and SHOOT YOUR STAGE A WAY that had not occurred to you. :)
FromMyColdDeadHand
07-08-2018, 17:51
The stage that I helped Tom set-up had a lot of port shooting so placing the targets and the barrels to make sure that they were visible from certain ports and not others made for a lot of iterative changes to the positioning. And then when you move a barrier or a target, checking everything over again. The design was great.
Josh and Lauren were interesting to watch on our squad, and they didn't do stages the same way sometimes. The were a great help keeping us on track and really running our squad. One big thing I picked up from them was you have to shoot from inside the fault line, you don't have to stay inside it to move.
One question did come up on the 100 yard berm, There was a wall just outside the fault-line. Could that have been used as support (loose term considering the walls)? If I understood Josh, he said that standard USPSA rules would say "No", but we aren't "USPSA". I'm on my second iteration of 3-D printed barrier stops for my JP fore-end. I'm itching to use them at some point!
The stage that I helped Tom set-up had a lot of port shooting so placing the targets and the barrels to make sure that they were visible from certain ports and not others made for a lot of iterative changes to the positioning. And then when you move a barrier or a target, checking everything over again. The design was great.
Josh and Lauren were interesting to watch on our squad, and they didn't do stages the same way sometimes. The were a great help keeping us on track and really running our squad. One big thing I picked up from them was you have to shoot from inside the fault line, you don't have to stay inside it to move.
One question did come up on the 100 yard berm, There was a wall just outside the fault-line. Could that have been used as support (loose term considering the walls)? If I understood Josh, he said that standard USPSA rules would say "No", but we aren't "USPSA". I'm on my second iteration of 3-D printed barrier stops for my JP fore-end. I'm itching to use them at some point!
The rule of thumb is that if a wall defines the edge of the shooting area, it can be contacted while shooting. If the wall is beyond the edge of the shooting area, then it would be a penalty to contact it while firing a shot. Granted we are not using USPSA rules, but they are still the baseline that we default to for anything not defined in the stage brief or the ruleset.
The rules state: Rangemaster has the final authority on all matters. In cases where the rules are silent, the principles of USPSA rules may be applied by the Rangemaster.
The best thing to do is to ask the MD/RM. If that is not expedient, then default to USPSA rules. Especially first squads, on things like that, it is perfectly okay to write it on the stage brief to make sure it gets done the same on other squads. I know that at the test match, we had a few squads do things that would not have been allowed (not safety issues) that gave them a big advantage. It is a local match, so not a big deal, except we do want to keep it so that everyone has the same stage to shoot. OTOH, there certainly are things that folks will do in competition that another person did not think about...that is not a reason to make it forbidden.
It's happening folks... We are shooting this match again this coming Saturday, August 4, 2018. Set up starts at 7:00am and the match itself at 9:00am.
Don't miss out on the fun. Be there early!!
Hope to see you all on Saturday!!
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Denver_AR
08-03-2018, 07:34
I have 5 stages, yes 5 stages ready for Saturday! Keep in mind there are only two more matches scheduled for 2018; August & September.
liftmorebitchless
08-05-2018, 13:28
Yesterday was super fun even if it was baking hot.
Think the Zig-Zag stage was my fav - the flow on that was great.
I also really enjoyed the steel stage this time around and feel all the steel stages this year have pushed me to become a better rifle shooter.
Thanks to Denver_AR and Cysoto for making all these matches happen and I'm looking forward to the last of the year!
FromMyColdDeadHand
08-05-2018, 20:34
The Zig-zig was good because it flowed well, but it did some quirks like the starting side-side shooting. I think what distinguished that from the next one with the barrels was that the barrels got tight and a lot a few of the targets were close to 180s. I helped set that one up and trying to get the barrels and the targets placed so that they were off the 180, but then not just behind the 180 from the barrel in front. It definately is interesting to spend more time with the set-up and then run it to get more understanding.
Thanks to Cy for walking me through a few of the stages to see it with his eyes. That really helped.
Thanks to Denver_AR for the further insights in stage training. Great to squad with you.
For this comp we score major and minor the same, right? A=5, B&C=3 and D=1? Mike= -10 and FTEngage = an other -10? And then HitF= points/time?
So on the steel, they are all “A” hits worth 5. How does the math work out where people take one shot (to avoid the failure to engage penalty), but take the -10 for the miss and still have enough points to get a good Hit Factor?
It would really nice to get the 200 yard range used so that we use that cover. If we can assume that rifles are about 3MOA, and people are using a 2-3 MOA dot, maybe start with a big piece of steel shot from different ports on a wall. How big were the steel on the 200 yard range? Do we still have to have at least some paper?
So on the steel, they are all “A” hits worth 5. How does the math work out where people take one shot (to avoid the failure to engage penalty), but take the -10 for the miss and still have enough points to get a good Hit Factor?
That is a great question with no easy answer. Let us look a few different scenarios to try to figure it out…
We know that the top two shooters on the 200yd stage shot all targets in under 50 seconds and ended up with a Hit Factor (HF) just below 1.5 (points per second).
Let us say that a shooter could have made the shots on the first two position then jumped on the wobbly bridge, get two “A” hits on each of the 3 paper targets and finally, sent 3 quick shots in the direction of the steel plates (missing all 3 but avoiding the “Failure to Engage” penalty). Now let us say that this person achieved this in 30 seconds. This person would have ended up with 60 points in 30 seconds which would have resulted in an HF of 2.0; enough to crush the competition and win the stage.
Now let’s say that another shooter would have taken the same approach but it took this person 60 seconds. This would have resulted in an HF of 1.0 which would have been enough to secure an 8th place finish on the stage.
Both of these scenarios would have afforded most shooters a better placement in the stage and the shooters would have not been wrong to do so because their actions would have been well within the rules of the game.
On the flipside of that is those of us who had never had the chance to shoot at 10” targets at this distance from a moving platform. I took this as an opportunity to practice a new shooting skill but, by doing this, I took a lot longer to make my hits on target.
Ultimately it is a personal choice and neither approach is wrong. One person can game it, another one can use the opportunity to practice a very challenging skill. In my opinion, neither choice is wrong.
That is a great question with no easy answer. Let us look a few different scenarios to try to figure it out…
We know that the top two shooters on the 200yd stage shot all targets in under 50 seconds and ended up with a Hit Factor (HF) just below 1.5 (points per second).
Let us say that a shooter could have made the shots on the first two position then jumped on the wobbly bridge, get two “A” hits on each of the 3 paper targets and finally, sent 3 quick shots in the direction of the steel plates (missing all 3 but avoiding the “Failure to Engage” penalty). Now let us say that this person achieved this in 30 seconds. This person would have ended up with 60 points in 30 seconds which would have resulted in an HF of 2.0; enough to crush the competition and win the stage.
Now let’s say that another shooter would have taken the same approach but it took this person 60 seconds. This would have resulted in an HF of 1.0 which would have been enough to secure an 8th place finish on the stage.
Both of these scenarios would have afforded most shooters a better placement in the stage and the shooters would have not been wrong to do so because their actions would have been well within the rules of the game.
On the flipside of that is those of us who had never had the chance to shoot at 10” targets at this distance from a moving platform. I took this as an opportunity to practice a new shooting skill but, by doing this, I took a lot longer to make my hits on target.
Ultimately it is a personal choice and neither approach is wrong. One person can game it, another one can use the opportunity to practice a very challenging skill. In my opinion, neither choice is wrong.
If you want to "game" a local match to get a win, certainly your choice, but it won't make you a better shooter. If you were to take that kind of approach to stages at a major, like the Wyoming Governors match this past weekend, you would be absolutely crushed. Since the match uses their own ruleset, there can be several approaches on the 200 yard berm. Longer targets can (and should) have higher value penalties for misses and FTEs. If the way to "win" a stage is firing shots in the direction of targets to avoid FTEs but also lower their stage time, that is not a well thought out stage design...or there were just not enough good shooters at the match.
Every single major ruleset allows the increasing of the point value, or penalty for a miss, of longer, or more difficult targets. IPSC rifle allows doubling, USPSA can be more than double, same with UML, IMGA and most outlaw match rulesets.
FromMyColdDeadHand
08-07-2018, 21:13
That is a great question with no easy answer. Let us look a few different scenarios to try to figure it out…
We know that the top two shooters on the 200yd stage shot all targets in under 50 seconds and ended up with a Hit Factor (HF) just below 1.5 (points per second).
Let us say that a shooter could have made the shots on the first two position then jumped on the wobbly bridge, get two “A” hits on each of the 3 paper targets and finally, sent 3 quick shots in the direction of the steel plates (missing all 3 but avoiding the “Failure to Engage” penalty). Now let us say that this person achieved this in 30 seconds. This person would have ended up with 60 points in 30 seconds which would have resulted in an HF of 2.0; enough to crush the competition and win the stage.
Isn't there a 10 point penalty for misses? So 60- 30 (3x 10).
I shoot for all the targets, I was just trying to figure out the math on how you can miss fast enough (vs hit slow) to have a 'higher' score. That left target I 'suppressed' more than aimed at ;) . I knew kind of where it was.
Isn't there a 10 point penalty for misses? So 60- 30 (3x 10).
You are correct; my math was flawed. If a shooter shoots the stage in 30 seconds but misses 3 targets, the HF would have been 1.0 and not 2.0 as I first said. To get an HF of 2.0 the stage would have had to be shot in 15 seconds (which would have probably almost impossible to do).
Are you guys planning a match this Saturday the 1st?
Denver_AR
08-28-2018, 23:32
Sure are!
I'm also looking for one or two folks to bring a stage.
Matthew
Crap. Opening day for Doves...
Crap. Opening day for Doves...
And Turkey. We will be chasing birds.
Had fun on Saturday, too bad theres not a match next month. Hoping there is one in November.
Had fun on Saturday, too bad theres not a match next month. Hoping there is one in November.
Not until March 2019.
We are still in need of some folks to step up and help run this match. Both Matt and Cy run other matches and it would be nice to have a few folks who can fill in if they are not able to be there. We are working on getting a new Stat Shack, and WiFi and internet was just installed on the whole range, which will help with scoring. We will also be getting some new steel this fall.
In reviewing the year, the numbers fell off a good deal towards the end. That can be just timing did not work, but we would like to grow this match in hopes that next year, we can have a Carbine Major match at CRC. If you have comments, suggestions, rules, targets, etc., please feel free to post, or drop me a note and we will see what we can do to make the 2019 matches even better. Since USPSA did make some beneficial changes in the Combined rules that previously made them untenable for this match, we will likely go back to the USPSA rule set next year.
Denver_AR
09-11-2018, 08:51
Not until March 2019.
...
I've received several requests to hold match in November. The weather is likely to be decent and there's nothing currently scheduled on the east berms at CRC. Stand by a bit and I'll setup a poll to gauge interest.
Matthew
We are still in need of some folks to step up and help run this match. Both Matt and Cy run other matches and it would be nice to have a few folks who can fill in if they are not able to be there. We are working on getting a new Stat Shack, and WiFi and internet was just installed on the whole range, which will help with scoring. We will also be getting some new steel this fall.
I'd be interested in helping out. Are there any certifications necessary (RO, CRO, etc)?
I'd be interested in helping out. Are there any certifications necessary (RO, CRO, etc)?
Not initially. We like for those running matches to be CRC members and to have taken some kind of Range officer course. The MDs must be CRC members and must hold a USPSA RO certification.
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-16-2018, 22:57
Not an RO but a CRC member. Willing to take an RO class. The first weekend seems to work for me, I do travel a lot. I think I can design and set up a stage now.
Not initially. We like for those running matches to be CRC members and to have taken some kind of Range officer course. The MDs must be CRC members and must hold a USPSA RO certification.
Not a CRC member but I am a RO.
FromMyColdDeadHand
10-04-2018, 21:16
So not one for October?
Denver_AR
10-05-2018, 06:30
So not one for October?
Same question.
Sorry, both Saturday and Sunday at CRC are work-party days this weekend so no matches, no shooting.
Denver_AR
10-11-2018, 19:05
I've created poll to gauge interest in November match (https://www.ar-15.co/threads/170920-Who-wants-Action-Rifle-Match-at-CRC-in-November) (Saturday, Nov 3rd). Only answer YES if committed to attending.
FromMyColdDeadHand
12-03-2018, 20:39
Sooooo....
Destro Yakisoba
01-18-2019, 18:44
So what's up with the rifle match this year? "USPSA rifle" is posted on the CRC calendar . There is word that there will be two seperate matches. Just trying to figure out what is going on and if anything has changed compared to the last few years.
Thanks.
rustycrusty
01-18-2019, 18:54
Practical rifle is dead.
It isn?t a match anymore.
It has been killed and replaced with a USPSA Rifle match.
They are not the same.
If the gun you wanted to shoot is not within USPSA definition of a ?RIFLE? you will not be able to shoot the match.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
If I am correct, it would be best to only discuss how awesome the Practical Rifle Match was in this location.
To discuss the new match, start a new thread for USPSA Rifle.
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Destro Yakisoba
01-18-2019, 19:56
New thread started..................
New thread started..................
Vague reply posted...
Same match, just a consistent ruleset. If you like to shoot your carbine, come on out and shoot the match. If you like to complain, stay home. :)
Denver_AR
01-21-2019, 22:50
I want to thank everyone for an awesome 2018 season of Action Rifle at CRC. I will not be involved with Action Rifle going forward but do look forward to seeing everyone at other venues on the front range.
Matthew Hess
I dont get the reason for the abrupt change. The match had great turnouts and was well run by Matthew and Cy. What prompted this and how does this benefit the match participants?
Hope to see you at he Pueblo West tac rifle matches. No drama, just shooting and no silly A zones.
Same match, just a consistent ruleset. If you like to shoot your carbine, come on out and shoot the match. If you like to complain, stay home. :)
Very confused why the rules changed to disqualify so many shooters. I saw many people, including myself, using suppressors as that's how we'd actually run our gun. Also being able to run pistols was nice for a lot of people waiting for a stamp to be approved or waiting to afford it as it's not a cheap process. Every USPSA type match I've participated in (rifle and pistol) tend to cater to those who have thousands of dollars in gear rather than gear they'd actually carry CCW or have in their home. Last I check USPSA had the work "PRACTICAL" in the title, and most people run it to be number 1 and not to use practical gear.
FromMyColdDeadHand
02-10-2019, 13:38
So the the thread for this match that specifically mentioned the new USPSA status is closed, so is this the active thread?
The only thing that pissed me off about the old matches was getting the zoot shooters sloppy seconds and having to use lathe that was more hole and splinter than wood. Kudos to Matt and others for putting matches on in such austere conditions.
On the suppressor and timer issues, that is a problem. It seems that there could be some hardware solution to it- and I'd think the suppressor companies would help overcome it to get better adoption of their gear.
I liked the laid back nature of the matches. Maybe I'll shoot the new matches, maybe I won't. I really need to figure out what makes sense for my and The Boy's schedule.
liftmorebitchless
02-11-2019, 12:30
It seems that there could be some hardware solution to it- and I'd think the suppressor companies would help overcome it to get better adoption of their gear.
Most newer shot timers can be adjust in sensitivity to pickup suppressors.
Yup see the thread with dissent is locked now.
Actions have consequences - wonder if those who took certain actions regarding this match considered the consequences of their actions.
So is the good version of this match going to start up again? I don't see anything for CRC other than this one.
Not_A_Llama
04-29-2019, 15:45
So what's going on with this match? Is it still lame/unpopular/unimaginative/wet blanket/unfun/anal-retentive/nitpicky/messianic complex/imposing/scheming/socially-inept-and-awkward rules, or are we back to cool match rules? I would strongly prefer rules that are clear, flexible, and practical.
Internet is confused, too: https://www.reddit.com/r/COGuns/comments/bg48ea/uspsa_rifle_at_colorado_rifle_club/
The block guy says there's some other matches, but I'd rather shoot a nonshitty match at CRC.
May match (new style) was canceled. Is there another club that wants to host this as a monthly event and has the facilities to do so? Maybe we can do it as trial match somewhere else?
Is Owl Canyon set up for something like this?
Boulder is, but I don't know anyone there to ask.
A little burst tells me we may see something develop at Ben Lomand
ChickNorris
04-29-2019, 22:04
Little bird?
spqrzilla
04-29-2019, 22:14
I thought the bird was quite stout.
A little burst tells me we may see something develop at Ben Lomand
Best news of 2019 tbh
ChickNorris
04-30-2019, 16:19
Yup.
The April match at CRC got cancelled too. Spring weather in the Rockies is beautiful but not always the best weather for matches...
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The April match at CRC got cancelled too. Spring weather in the Rockies is beautiful but not always the best weather for matches...
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Hate to cancel the match as the weather is looking great, but I have a work obligation.
Wasn't the weather in that case.... [beatdeadhorse]
Wasn't the weather in that case.... [beatdeadhorse]That's a bummer...
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Boxy, was that in reference to the March match, or the April match? Looks like the weather this weekend should be quite nice. I just am not seeing that post anywhere, and he certainly didn't provide any information in the email sent out.
liftmorebitchless
05-01-2019, 12:46
Boxy, was that in reference to the March match, or the April match? Looks like the weather this weekend should be quite nice. I just am not seeing that post anywhere, and he certainly didn't provide any information in the email sent out.
I had a friend text me May's match is also cancelled...
Boxy, was that in reference to the March match, or the April match? Looks like the weather this weekend should be quite nice. I just am not seeing that post anywhere, and he certainly didn't provide any information in the email sent out.
April match.
Robert, the May match was canceled too. I don't know the reason.
Anyway, I was hoping that someone with connections at Boulder Rifle Club can see if they're willing to host these matches.
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