Mag Limit Repeal

[clodhopper]

Colorado: Senate Committee to Hear Magazine Limit
Repeal Legislation Next Week


On Tuesday, January 31, the
Senate State, Veterans, & Military Affairs Committee is scheduled to hear
Senate Bill 7, legislation that seeks to repeal the misguided 2013 law that
limited the amount of ammunition a firearm magazine can hold.SB 7 would remove this restriction
so that law-abiding Coloradans are not limited in their ability to protect
themselves and their loved ones.

Please click the link below our signature line, to go to the directory for our
state representatives and contact your state Senator and state Representative,
and politely urge them to support Senate Bill 7 when it comes up for a vote.Contact your state Senator and state Representative, and politely urge
them to support Senate Bill 7 when it comes up for a vote

http://leg.colorado.gov/legislators?field_chamber_target_id=2&field_political_affiliation_target_id=All&sort_bef_combine=field_last_name_value%20ASC



http://leg.colorado.gov/legislators?field_chamber_target_id=2&field_political_affiliation_target_id=All&sort_bef_combine=field_last_name_value%20ASC

[Coffee]

[KAPA]

So what are the stats for gun crimes since this law started? Do they even have anything to point at to show this thing is helping.

I suppose their best ammo is to say that there have been no theater shootings by guys who bought crappy high cap mags that malfunctioned forcing them to resort to a shotgun. At least there is that.

[Skip]

So what are the stats for gun crimes since this law started? Do they even have anything to point at to show this thing is helping.

I suppose their best ammo is to say that there have been no theater shootings by guys who bought crappy high cap mags that malfunctioned forcing them to resort to a shotgun. At least there is that.

Planned Parenthood murderer in Springs used high (standard) caps brought into the state after the law was passed.

I don't recall seeing a desire to discuss that in local media.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Planned Parenthood murderer in Springs used high (standard) caps brought into the state after the law was passed.

I don't recall seeing a desire to discuss that in local media.

I prefer to call him the Black Friday shooter since he apparently shot in the direction of the VA clinic before he holed up at Planned Parenthood ...

[gnihcraes]

Thank you for reaching out to me about the proposed repeal of the magazine limit. While I understand and appreciate your concerns, I stand by the 2013 law and do not support Senate Bill 7.

My concern is that it was far too easy for James Holmes and others like him to acquire high-capacity magazines and large quantities of ammunition. I know the magazine limit can’t prevent every act of violence by a deranged individual, but I believe it can reduce the probability that future acts of violence could be as calamitous as Aurora or Newtown.

I understand that you may be unhappy with this response, but I hope you appreciate my giving you a straight answer. Please continue to contact me about the issues that matter to you most.



Rep. Chris Kennedy
House District 23 - Lakewood, CO

[CS1983]

Spoken like a true Kennedy.

[CS1983]

clodhopper, they mention a link -- can you provide that for us?

[Gman]

There's absolutely no way a jackass with criminal intent to kill people would ever break the law by buying full capacity magazines in Wyoming....cuz it would be illegal.

So precisely when do these politicians get their brains sucked out of their skulls?

[beast556]

Im really hoping it can be repealed but in reality it never will be with Democrats in charge.

[TFOGGER]

So precisely when do these politicians get their brains sucked out of their skulls?

I believe it happens at the same time as they barter away their souls...

[rtr]

"Planned Parenthood murderer in Springs used high (standard) caps brought into the state after the law was passed" source?

[Ramsker]

Im really hoping it can be repealed but in reality it never will be with Democrats in charge.

Without R majorities in both houses and an R governor . . . the only way this gets repealed is to make it part of something else the dems want, which probably won't be very palatable. Stupid freaking law--never should have passed and Hick should have vetoed it.

[Rucker61]

Thank you for reaching out to me about the proposed repeal of the magazine limit. While I understand and appreciate your concerns, I stand by the 2013 law and do not support Senate Bill 7.

My concern is that it was far too easy for James Holmes and others like him to acquire high-capacity magazines and large quantities of ammunition. I know the magazine limit can’t prevent every act of violence by a deranged individual, but I believe it can reduce the probability that future acts of violence could be as calamitous as Aurora or Newtown.

I understand that you may be unhappy with this response, but I hope you appreciate my giving you a straight answer. Please continue to contact me about the issues that matter to you most.



Rep. Chris Kennedy
House District 23 - Lakewood, CO

Ask him what scientific study shows that magazine capacity restrictions would have any effect on a mass shooting, and why does he think 15 dead kids are okay?

[clodhopper]

clodhopper, they mention a link -- can you provide that for us?

http://leg.colorado.gov/legislators?field_chamber_target_id=2&field_political_affiliation_target_id=All&sort_bef_combine=field_last_name_value%20ASC

[TheSparkens]

This ban will stop nothing and has stopped nothing. If you allow any and all people that wish to carry, too carry, then less of this will go on. It looks like the people responding to this thread understand this. Gun free zones should be posted not as a gun free zone but as a" KILLING FIELD " If you wish to quote studies, and I don't, because it is way to easy to skew the wording of a study just look at the national crime numbers and it is easy to see that almost every time this happens it is in a GUN FREE ZONE were I should not carry a defensible fire arm or a city that has anti gun laws enacted. I carry constantly if you put up a sign that asks me not to use your store that's cool with me you don't need my money. Make your voice heard contact you representative. You can do this by phone, email or regular mail. I don't care how it happens I think national carry needs to be the norm. It is a one minute google search to find how to contact anyone that is voted into office.
http://www.house.gov/htbin/findrep
http://www.cairco.org/legislation/colorado-legislators
Sorry this took so long. I will shut up, shut down and go to the range now.

[mahabali]

Without R majorities in both houses and an R governor . . . the only way this gets repealed is to make it part of something else the dems want, which probably won't be very palatable. Stupid freaking law--never should have passed and Hick should have vetoed it.

I lost all faith in the leadership of our state while watching that debacle... These are the most ill informed, ignorant moonbats I have ever seen, I'm looking at you Rhonda Rapsheet. They dont even care that the law isnt enforced and is not enforceable. Hell, one of the idiots that pushed this through thought magazines were only good once, and once the high (standard) cap mags were "used up" people wouldnt be able to get more. It was a fucking circus... They didnt give a shit what the people in the state wanted, they didnt listen to the thousands that showed up to argue these proposed laws. All they were concered about was pushing their agenda, because "they had to do something."

Still makes me sick that these clowns are in charge of our once great state.

[Zundfolge]

This ban will stop nothing and has stopped nothing.

Not true, it has stopped what it was designed to stop and that is law abiding gun owners enjoying their rights. That is ALL it was designed to do. It was nothing more than counting coup in the culture wars.

Democrats simply do not care about the lives of innocent people, they are hateful, evil POSs that do everything based on hate. They hate us and they were able to spit in our eye and then go to their dinner parties and laugh at how they spit in the eye of "those goddamn Republican bastards".

[Bailey Guns]

Democrats simply do not care about the lives of innocent people, they are hateful, evil POSs that do everything based on hate. They hate us and they were able to spit in our eye and then go to their dinner parties and laugh at how they spit in the eye of "those goddamn Republican bastards".

Liars. You forgot "liars".

[Gman]

Ask him what scientific study shows that magazine capacity restrictions would have any effect on a mass shooting, and why does he think 15 dead kids are okay?
"You're right. Even one dead kid is too many. We should get rid of them all."

[DireWolf]

it seems to me that there should be a streamlined process for bringing criminal charges and forcing a trial by jury for politicians that behave this way and demonstrably violate law/constitution/ethics mandates/etc....

Recall elections just seem to be completely pointless and hold almost no punative impact or (overall) disincentive effect whatsovever, and ejection from office can just be tied directly to the criminal conviction...

[Zundfolge]

it seems to me that there should be a streamlined process for bringing criminal charges and forcing a trial by jury for politicians that behave this way and demonstrably violate law/constitution/ethics mandates/etc....

The French, of all people, may have had the best idea.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Ex%C3%A9cution_de_Marie_Antoinette_le_16_octobre_1 793.jpg/300px-Ex%C3%A9cution_de_Marie_Antoinette_le_16_octobre_1 793.jpg

[Shooter45]

Can't see this getting revoked with who is in office and Hickenlooper. Even if it did pass (wishful thinking), he'd just shred it.

[Gman]

Can't see this getting revoked with who is in office and Hickenlooper. Even if it did pass (wishful thinking), he'd just shred ignore it.
FIFY

[DavieD55]

Outside interests such as Michael Bloomberg would never let Governor John Hickenlooper sign this bill if it made it to his desk.

[WETWRKS]

Our best bet is the sheriff lawsuit.

Any updates beyond what is posted in the other thread

[Zundfolge]

I can't have them mailed to my house. I can't legally purchase them in or out of state (its just that for the time being, nobody is actually enforcing the law, not that its not illegal).

Yes there are plenty of ways to easily flout the law, but the fact that the law is there has prevented SOME law abiding gun owners from enjoying their rights.

And again, that's all its there for (and some day the popo is going to get pressured into enforcing the law by the Demonrats ... on that day there will be a few dealers and probably some citizens screwed out of all their rights when the hammer comes down).

[BPTactical]

Ask him what scientific study shows that magazine capacity restrictions would have any effect on a mass shooting, and why does he think 15 dead kids are okay?

Hmm, high cap mag ban didn't stop this guy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting

[clodhopper]

Hmm, high cap mag ban didn't stop this guy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting

What you are missing is it prevented 3 other attacks. You never heard about them because they didn't happen. Of course if those dastardly big cap clips weren't banned, all those innocent lives would be lost. If you doubt it, prove it incorrect, web links are acceptable.

[Aloha_Shooter]

What you are missing is it prevented 3 other attacks. You never heard about them because they didn't happen. Of course if those dastardly big cap clips weren't banned, all those innocent lives would be lost. If you doubt it, prove it incorrect, web links are acceptable.

No, it was the enhanced interrogation that prevented those 97 other attacks. Prove me wrong. LOL ... (I know you were being sarcastic.)

[sniper_tim]

Without R majorities in both houses and an R governor . . . the only way this gets repealed is to make it part of something else the dems want, which probably won't be very palatable. Stupid freaking law--never should have passed and Hick should have vetoed it.

Cant this be repealed via some sort of citizens initiated ballot measure, constitutional amendment, or veto referendum? I've never actually researched citizen initiated ballot measures, or participated in government activities (outside of voting and occasionally showing up to my city planning meetings to complain about issues I was concerned with) but the pot heads seemed to get legalized marijuana on the ballot for the last 15 years until they finally got enough people to vote for it. I'm assuming the people who support our second amendment rights in this state could be equally organized. I would be willing to volunteer time to get petitions signed, just say'n. I originally thought that is what RMGO was going to do, organize some sort of recall effort, however they just flooded my e-mail begging for more $.

Cheers,
Tim

[Zundfolge]

Cant this be repealed via some sort of citizens initiated ballot measure, constitutional amendment, or veto referendum?

We tried that, but apparently Colorado gun owners are too lazy to sign the damn thing when it was sitting on the counters of most gun shops.

[CS1983]

We tried that, but apparently Colorado gun owners are too lazy to sign the damn thing when it was sitting on the counters of most gun shops.

I rarely find myself in a gun shop. I'm sure that's the case for a lot of folks.

[izzy]

We tried that, but apparently Colorado gun owners are too lazy to sign the damn thing when it was sitting on the counters of most gun shops.

I am in them all the time and never saw this.

[Dave_L]

The problem is we haven't clogged a highway for our cause yet.

[DOC]

I signed along with every gun owner I know. Including a few that didn't know they loved freedom as much as slavery.

[Ronin13]

I would write to my elected senator, except she was one of the two "No" votes for it to get moved to committee. For the time being I live in Looney Liberal land... that will hopefully change very soon. I am happy it's being introduced, but even if it makes it out of the State, Veteran's and Military Affairs Committee (which it should seeing as how that's a 5-2 republican majority committee), and passed the Senate, and House, it'll never get signed by Chickenpooper. Good for them for introducing it, but at this point it's destined to die.

[Madeinhb]

I would write to my elected senator, except she was one of the two "No" votes for it to get moved to committee. For the time being I live in Looney Liberal land... that will hopefully change very soon. I am happy it's being introduced, but even if it makes it out of the State, Veteran's and Military Affairs Committee (which it should seeing as how that's a 5-2 republican majority committee), and passed the Senate, and House, it'll never get signed by Chickenpooper. Good for them for introducing it, but at this point it's destined to die.

But didn't Chickenpooper go one record saying that if it passes through the house and Senate - that is what they want, so it's his duty to sign it?

[CS1983]

But didn't Chickenpooper go one record saying that if it passes through the house and Senate - that is what they want, so it's his duty to sign it?

Some duties are more equal than others. or something.

[crays]

But didn't Chickenpooper go one record saying that if it passes through the house and Senate - that is what they want, so it's his duty to sign it?

Unless one of his staffers told someone something different...

[Zundfolge]

I am in them all the time and never saw this.

Gun owners are lazy ... gun rights activists are disorganized and ineffectual ... lots of blame to go around.

[DOC]

So what's the news? Any updates to report?

[Madeinhb]

Unless one of his staffers told someone something different...

Sorry I ment with the original ban. When it was going through - didn't a reporter ask him about his opinion on if he would sign or veto and his response was if the house and Senate pass it, then that is what they want and he has to sign it.

[crays]

Sorry I ment with the original ban. When it was going through - didn't a reporter ask him about his opinion on if he would sign or veto and his response was if the house and Senate pass it, then that is what they want and he has to sign it.

It was either mags or UBC that he stated his reason for signing was that one of his staff had promised/committed to someone that he would sign it. I'll see if I can fin a sound bit or article.

[Circuits]

Sorry I ment with the original ban. When it was going through - didn't a reporter ask him about his opinion on if he would sign or veto and his response was if the house and Senate pass it, then that is what they want and he has to sign it.
He said at the time he didn't read it, just signed it on the advice of an aide - quite disingenuous of him. Now Dick-in-pooper is term-limited so will go ahead and veto it if it comes to his desk, to win points with the Bloombergs and set his stage for a national office run.

[crays]

My staffer made me do it!!


Link to HOTAIR article (http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/18/hickenlooper-staffer-promised-id-sign-gun-law-i-never-thought-would-pass-and-by-the-way-its-totally-ineffective/)

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/18/hickenlooper-staffer-promised-id-sign-gun-law-i-never-thought-would-pass-and-by-the-way-its-totally-ineffective/


https://youtu.be/PnO9SDLtm8g

[Zundfolge]

And here I thought I couldn't hate this SOB any more than I already do. [Mad]

If he's allowing his flunkies to make promises for him, then he's clearly in dereliction of his duty and should step down immediately. The people of Colorado (stupidly) voted for HIM to make decisions, not some goddamn minimum wage flunky.

[spqrzilla]

Hickenlooper's political career is over and he's completely clueless about it.

[Joe_K]

Ask him what scientific study shows that magazine capacity restrictions would have any effect on a mass shooting, and why does he think 15 dead kids are okay?

You win the forum for the day. No balls respond to him this way.

Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

[Robb]

Hickenlooper's political career is over and he's completely clueless about it.

I hope your right, but the illuminati may have other plans:
http://www.businessinsider.com/colorado-gov-john-hickenlooper-interview-2017-1

"If this gathering is any indication, Hickenlooper may be on the verge of building buzz as a 2020 hopeful. Several attendees pointed to him as someone who could rescue the party after its disastrous 2016 losses."

[Singlestack]

I don't see the dems promoting him to be a national candidate - lacks the far, far left bonafides. The big money and dem elitists are eliminating everyone who isn't idealogically pure in their eyes - like the guy running for DNC chair who inconveniently pointed out this week that islam is "anti gay" (it is). Hickenlooper is at best a political opportunist rather than a true believer. Also his appearance and speaking are not "eyes or ears friendly".

[roberth]

I don't see the dems promoting him to be a national candidate - lacks the far, far left bonafides. The big money and dem elitists are eliminating everyone who isn't idealogically pure in their eyes - like the guy running for DNC chair who inconveniently pointed out this week that islam is "anti gay" (it is). Hickenlooper is at best a political opportunist rather than a true believer. Also his appearance and speaking are not "eyes or ears friendly".

I agree with your assessment, the left is doubling down and hickenlooper doesn't fit their mold.

[Zundfolge]

I don't see the dems promoting him to be a national candidate - lacks the far, far left bonafides.
Agreed. Especially with the defeat of Hillary, the party is moving ever farther left and soon Bernie will be considered too moderate to lead the party.

[Grant H.]

It sucks, but we will never see the gun laws change in our favor here in CO now.

CO has become a blue state, and will stay that way, especially with the changes in the voting system and constitutional amendments this last election cycle.

[Dave_L]

It sucks, but we will never see the gun laws change in our favor here in CO now.

CO has become a blue state, and will stay that way, especially with the changes in the voting system and constitutional amendments this last election cycle.

This. We've crossed over and won't be going back any time soon.

[kidicarus13]

Hickenlooper is at best a political opportunist rather than a true believer. Also his appearance and speaking are not "eyes or ears friendly".

No words just [ROFL3]

[Jer]

It sucks, but we will never see the gun laws change in our favor here in CO now.

CO has become a blue state, and will stay that way, especially with the changes in the voting system and constitutional amendments this last election cycle.


This. We've crossed over and won't be going back any time soon.

With an attitude like this nothing will ever change. Remember we get the government we deserve.

[KAPA]

Our best bet is to somehow separate the Denver area inside the beltway from the rest of the state. Do that and all problems are solved.

I guess California has been struggling with this for years though. Wasn't someone pushing this a few years back?

[Dave_L]

With an attitude like this nothing will ever change. Remember we get the government we deserve.

I didn't say I gave up. I just don't see it happening.

[DOC]

I see it as a challenge to overcome not a no win situation.

[Joe_K]

Our best bet is to somehow separate the Denver area inside the beltway from the rest of the state. Do that and all problems are solved.

I guess California has been struggling with this for years though. Wasn't someone pushing this a few years back?
Might as well lump Boulder in as well.

Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

[Jer]

I see it as a challenge to overcome not a no win situation.

Bingo. If more people had this outlook we'd be much better off.

[DireWolf]

Crack down on voter fraud and prevent illegal aliens and dead/non-resident people from voting (or voting multiple times), and I think the State has a really good chance at snapping back to red...Get media ethics and libel laws in place at the Fed level (with severe penalties for violators), in addition to the previous points, and I think it's almost guaranteed...

[KAPA]

Might as well lump Boulder in as well.

Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

Nah, Denver is all you need to get rid of and eventually the liberals will all flock there and surrender Boulder. Boulder could be a great town if not under liberal control.

[Great-Kazoo]

Our best bet is to somehow separate the Denver area inside the beltway from the rest of the state. Do that and all problems are solved.

I guess California has been struggling with this for years though. Wasn't someone pushing this a few years back?

Tried it in 2014? and were labelled ignorant white hillbilly racist, from other CO residents. However i believe should Ft Collins, Boulder & Denver petition to do the same, it would be lauded as something a long time coming.

[WETWRKS]

Tried it in 2014? and were labelled ignorant white hillbilly racist, from other CO residents. However i believe should Ft Collins, Boulder & Denver petition to do the same, it would be lauded as something a long time coming.

Yet California is looking at leaving the US and people are cheering it on.

[DOC]

Tried it in 2014? and were labelled ignorant white hillbilly racist, from other CO residents. However i believe should Ft Collins, Boulder & Denver petition to do the same, it would be lauded as something a long time coming.
If all they did was call us names then we already won. I don't shrink when someone underestimates me. I laugh when I win and look at their face when they say, " But they were racists, hillbilly blah, blah, blah. How did they win?" And I drink a shot in their honor. Often I wonder why we don't drink from the skulls of our enemies anymore?