Mini shells vs full size

[SG1]

Anyone have any data on the difference in way of FPS/Stopping energy?

Anyone use them? What is your take on them?

[CS1983]

This author did not like them: https://thearmsguide.com/4177/aguila-minishells-home-defense-solution-or-marketing-gimmick/

[Wulf202]

They're a toy. And if you can get them to feed a fun toy

[hurley842002]

I've never used them, but as far as ballistics (on paper) go, their slug sends a 25 gram (385 grain) chunk of lead at 1200 fps, whereas the Federal tactical (which is what I prefer) sends a 1oz (438 grain) slug at 1300 fps. So ballistically they aren't bad, and would certainly put the hurting on someone. Like has been said, none of this really matters if they don't function in your shotgun.

[kidicarus13]

I have 4 boxes of them if anyone is interested. I have not tried them myself.

[rustycrusty]

For what they produce in recoil, I see them as worthwhile.

Ran a few boxes of them with this

https://www.amazon.com/OPSol-Mini-Clip/dp/B01F5REBUM

Which gave 100% during function/cycle testing.

https://youtu.be/dtG6StDLorE

This shows +14" penetration in gel AFTER wall pass through. So, just like any #4 or larger buckshot load, these will do just fine in bad guy, with potential for over-penetration.

-edit-
The birdshot is worthless for anything more than 5yds away. You might kill a snake with it, or seriously piss off something like a raccoon.


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[SideShow Bob]

https://www.amazon.com/OPSol-Mini-Clip/dp/B01F5REBUM[/url]

Which gave 100% during function/cycle testing.

[url]https://youtu.be/dtG6StDLorEk

Ark tactical has these adaptors and the Aguila shorts in stock in case you are interested in trying the short shell out.

[MarkCO]

Ballistically, the slug and buck is very similar to 2 3/4" reduced power slugs and buck. They run in some guns, some of the Winchesters, the SXP, P12 without mods. From what I have been told, also in the KSGs. If 385 grains at 1200 is a toy...someone has some splainin' to do.

The birdshot has little if any use other than close range plinking. Terrible patterns with holes.

[Shooter45]

Bird shot is very dangerous, in theory of stopping real threats. Buck shot works great and so do slugs. Think of the theory of using bird shot; some pellets do not penetrate feathers though. For self defense purposes use full house loads and beware of your surroundings and over penetration. When in need 00 buck does amazing things and has been proven again and again.

[ben4372]

I've run the Aguila minis in a few Winchester 1200 and 1300s They are fantastic for a home defense gun. Low recoil and a ton of shots. I think I can get 12 or 13 in an 8 shot defender. Winchesters I had fed with no adapters.

[sneakerd]

Birdshot worthless? Stand in front of it then. Birdshot is perfect for home defense. By definition- home defense WILL be close range, basically the distance of the width of your biggest room or longest hallway. Nor does it overpenetrate. Light recoil as well, so perfect for a woman's use in the house.

[rustycrusty]

As with effective public speaking, so goes effective defensive round selection- know your audience and tailor your response appropriately.

If you know your BG is naked, skinny, and inside of 5yd- sure. #7 bird is a ine alternative to a pointy stick- though I wouldn’t trust the mini shell birdshot even under these ideal conditions as the spread is extreme, patterning is thin in the birdshot, and typical individual shot penetration is sub 4” in gel. You are relying on shock and pain compliance.

As most Americans are overweight, and wearing clothes... I would rather have something that can routinely defeat something like a loose carhartt jacket and 4” of adipose tissue before being able to penetrate an additional 6-10” of bone and muscle tissue.

I’m describing a bad guy that is a typical American working poor male- one that has the average American male BMI of ~29 (which looks something like 2-4” of adipose covering the torso)

(Congrats fat people - you actually have astounding ballistic resistance- as I have seen firsthand while working on human tissue- you are basically walking around with a something between a flak jacket and 2a vest on all the time)




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[buffalobo]

Congrats fat people - you actually have astounding ballistic resistance- as I have seen firsthand while working on human tissue- you are basically walking around with a something between a flak jacket and 2a vest on all the time.


Ha! Just what I need, a new excuse to avoid improving fitness and losing weight.[AR15]

[Irving]

Hmmmm, this thread took a weird turn, as I can't imagine that people living the feast and famine life style of theft and robbery are usually fat. Sometimes, sure. Anyway, nice alternative line of thought that we usually don't get here.

[rustycrusty]

Hmmmm, this thread took a weird turn, as I can't imagine that people living the feast and famine life style of theft and robbery are usually fat. Sometimes, sure. Anyway, nice alternative line of thought that we usually don't get here.

Jussayin- the average American is fat. The poorer, the fatter here in the states. Well documented phenomenon, and crime loves poverty... poverty loves crime? Both work.

‘Are poverty and obesity associated? Poverty rates and obesity were reviewed across 3,139 counties in the U.S. (2,6). In contrast to international trends, people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity’

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/60/11/2667

So, with most of America being fat, and the fatter the poorer, and violent criminal behavior being concentrated amongst the poorest of Americans... it is logical to be prepared to encounter a plump perp.


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[Irving]

Hmmmm. I guess it's time to dig out my "This house protected by Weight Watchers" yard signs.

[rustycrusty]

Hmmmm. I guess it's time to dig out my "This house protected by Weight Watchers" yard signs.

Grow veggies in front yard.

Leave sign on front door
‘A vegan household’

Make sure there are stairs leading to all entrances

You are now immune to home invasion.


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[Irving]

If all stairs are also stair climbers, I'm also immune to zombie home invasion.