View Full Version : Trump using the Nat Guard to round up illegals?
Just heard this on KOA's news report. The one they do on the half hour, not during one of the editorial shows. Sounds like it is a report of what his next action may be and has not been officially announced yet.
I like the effort but I thought the National Guard was in direct control of the Governor of each state? If this is so, I suspect he is going to get some non compliance in many states. Will also be interesting to see how many personnel go AWOL if they go through with the order.
Great-Kazoo
02-17-2017, 09:52
More scare tactics from the media, possibly.
If it were to happen i'd wager the Tolerant & Diverse crowd is about to go nuclear. One more reason our kid in CA has been stockpiling
Just heard it again, KOA is reporting an AP report saying Trump to use over 100,000 National Guard troops to round up illegals.
If the left is ever going to go full crazy, this will trigger it.
It was a draft memo that the AP attained. Nothing more.
More scare tactics from the media, possibly.
If it were to happen i'd wager the Tolerant & Diverse crowd is about to go nuclear. One more reason our kid in CA has been stockpiling
Agree, yeah they are cornered at this point.
No one can say they did not know he was going to do this. It was in his contract with the American Voter.
Now their editorial folks are saying it could be fake news by the AP. HA!
Great-Kazoo
02-17-2017, 09:58
Agree, yeah they are cornered at this point.
No one can say they did not know he was going to do this. It was in his contract with the American Voter.
Now their editorial folks are saying it could be fake news by the AP. HA!
[panic] [panic][panic][panic]
hollohas
02-17-2017, 10:08
No way in hell this is NOT fake news.
Shooter45
02-17-2017, 10:10
The liberal tears will be flowing!!!
beast556
02-17-2017, 10:28
The liberal tears will be flowing!!!
Yep, they are going to loose there marbles over this. It will be great.
Using the national guard to guard the nation? Crazy.
Yeah this seems to be fake news for at least today... Sounds like next week though, there will be a new EO for illegals.
This brings up a good point though, if he were to use the NG, all he needs is the Govs of the state to approve it and off he goes. One less place he has to send as many feds to. Now for states like ours where Hick will tell him to pound sand, then Trump will need to send more feds into to get the job done. Could be interesting next week if he goes that route.
Am really wondering though, if you are illegal in this country, the motivation has to be there to give up and go back home on your own so that you are not forced to go back. Wonder how many are sneaking back across the border these days?
StagLefty
02-17-2017, 11:08
The thing that gets to me is some of these illegals have been here for decades and never done a thing to get legal !!!!
Martinjmpr
02-17-2017, 12:02
This brings up a good point though, if he were to use the NG, all he needs is the Govs of the state to approve it and off he goes. One less place he has to send as many feds to. Now for states like ours where Hick will tell him to pound sand, then Trump will need to send more feds into to get the job done. Could be interesting next week if he goes that route.
Pretty sure he does not need the Governors approval if he activates under Title 10. A title 32 activation would be state, but mobilization under title 10 makes them federal, which is what happened for the multiple deployments during our recent wars.
EDITED TO ADD: I seem to recall that during Desert Shield/Storm, there were some "Lefty" governors who tried to raise a stink about Bush Sr. mobilizing "THEIR" troops, until someone told them to go look at Title 10 of the US Code. ;)
It also may have been pointed out that every penny used to pay, equip and train those National Guard troops came from Federal, not state, coffers.
Am really wondering though, if you are illegal in this country, the motivation has to be there to give up and go back home on your own so that you are not forced to go back. Wonder how many are sneaking back across the border these days?
Can't help but wonder if all these 'trial balloons' are designed to do just that. An 'incentive to leave', as it were.
It actually makes sense. Just as an amnesty today acts as an incentive for illegals to come here in the future (because they might reasonably conclude that if they come here in 2017 and stay long enough, they might be able to stay in under some future amnesty), a proposal to 'crack down' using a variety of methods could be both an incentive for those here now to return, so they can 'beat the rush', and also a DIS-incentive for others to come here.
spqrzilla
02-17-2017, 12:10
Is there something that makes everyone forget recent history? Bush used National Guard to support Border Patrol in 2007.
Trump is winnowing out the scallywags who run to the press, this is an old espionage trick.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-17/trump-considers-mobilization-100000-national-guard-troops-round-unathorized-immigran
AP reported that according to a draft 11-page memo, the Trump administration is considering mobilizing as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up illegal immigrants. However, the White House quickly slammed the agency’s report is “false." In yet another leak-counterleak example of "spot the fake news" , moments after the AP report hit, the White House denied everything
This is not true. DHS also confirms it is 100% false https://t.co/MFIJci7XaU
— Sean Spicer (@PressSec) February 17, 2017
Funny to watch fake news backfire.
These leftist idiots want to protect criminal aliens, so they try to create a backlash using fake Trump orders.
However, they instill fear in the criminals and some will bail back over the border.
Love it.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-17/ap-releases-leaked-memo-calling-mobilization-national-guard
DHS now saying it was an early draft of proposals.
The Key paragraph:
"I am directing the Commissioner of CBP and the Director of ICE to immediately engage with the Governors of the States adjacent to the land border with Mexico and to those states adjoining such border States for the purpose of entering into agreements of section 287(g) of the INA to authorize qualified members of the state National Guard, while such members are not in federal service, or qualified members of a state militia or state defense force under the command of the Governor, to perform the functions of an immigration officer in relation to the apprehension, investigation and detention of aliens in the United States."
I see nothing wrong with this, and it has been done before.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article133332154.html
In 2010, former President Barack Obama said he would deploy 1,200 National Guard troops to the U.S.-Mexico border. They were sent to Arizona, Texas, California and New Mexico. While National Guard troops were not authorized to arrest people found to be crossing the border illegally, they helped staff observation posts, monitor surveillance footage and build fences.
In 2006, former President George W. Bush called up 6,000 National Guard troops to California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. They were commissioned to help install border barriers, provide training and assist with border surveillance. The deployment was designed to support Customs and Border Protection agents in “executing logistical and administrative support, operating detection systems, providing mobile communications, augmenting border-related intelligence analysis efforts, and building and installing border security infrastructure.” Operation Jump Start, as the project was called, hoped to relieve Border Patrol agents from administrative duties so they could instead focus on border security.
According to Customs and Border Protection, the operation resulted in the apprehension of 5,003 people, 110 vehicles, $11,052, 28,577 pounds of marijuana and 1,447 pounds of cocaine.
Pretty sure he does not need the Governors approval if he activates under Title 10. A title 32 activation would be state, but mobilization under title 10 makes them federal, which is what happened for the multiple deployments during our recent wars.
EDITED TO ADD: I seem to recall that during Desert Shield/Storm, there were some "Lefty" governors who tried to raise a stink about Bush Sr. mobilizing "THEIR" troops, until someone told them to go look at Title 10 of the US Code. ;)
It also may have been pointed out that every penny used to pay, equip and train those National Guard troops came from Federal, not state, coffers.
Can't help but wonder if all these 'trial balloons' are designed to do just that. An 'incentive to leave', as it were.
It actually makes sense. Just as an amnesty today acts as an incentive for illegals to come here in the future (because they might reasonably conclude that if they come here in 2017 and stay long enough, they might be able to stay in under some future amnesty), a proposal to 'crack down' using a variety of methods could be both an incentive for those here now to return, so they can 'beat the rush', and also a DIS-incentive for others to come here.
Good points! HOOAH!
Trump is winnowing out the scallywags who run to the press, this is an old espionage trick.
Very dangerous strategy if you ask me, which Trump did not.
Libtards are angry and violent already. Give their virtue signalizing a faux moral foundation, like protecting the underclass they exploit from the National Guard under Trump's order and things could get really interesting.
What would say the governor of Colorado do in such a case?
BushMasterBoy
02-17-2017, 14:28
It is obvious we need a new Department of Propaganda.
Very dangerous strategy if you ask me, which Trump did not.
Libtards are angry and violent already. Give their virtue signalizing a faux moral foundation, like protecting the underclass they exploit from the National Guard under Trump's order and things could get really interesting.
What would say the governor of Colorado do in such a case?
Or the AP sat on the story and sprung it when they thought it would do the most harm.
Or the AP sat on the story and sprung it when they thought it would do the most harm.
Could be. The memo is a draft that doesn't even have an EO# on it.
The only thing I know for sure is there's a lot of FakeNews and Trump is Hitler going around.
Could be. The memo is a draft that doesn't even have an EO# on it.
The only thing I know for sure is there's a lot of FakeNews and Trump is Hitler going around.
True.
Most of what the mainstream media puts out is fake or has just enough truth in it to make the story seem legitimate.
I no longer trust the mainstream media, I haven't for a long time but their recent activities really illuminate who and what they are.
The thing that gets to me is some of these illegals have been here for decades and never done a thing to get legal !!!!
They are here to get $ and then go home and retire. This is a big reason we need to start taxing all the money that leaves the US thru wire transfers, bank transfers, cashiers checks...etc. They aren't here to be a part of the US, they are here to milk us for money and take it with them to retire and live nicely.
I'm waiting for the story where he intends to build camps and load them up in box cars to take them to the camps.
They are here to get $ and then go home and retire. This is a big reason we need to start taxing all the money that leaves the US thru wire transfers, bank transfers, cashiers checks...etc. They aren't here to be a part of the US, they are here to milk us for money and take it with them to retire and live nicely.
Moving somewhere and starting a family, is not how one "makes money." There are a lot of ways to make money in the US, but having some kids and being a maid or something isn't one of them.
I'm waiting for the story where he intends to build camps and load them up in box cars to take them to the camps.
Build the camp on the border and leave the side on the border open without fences.
They are here to get $ and then go home and retire. This is a big reason we need to start taxing all the money that leaves the US thru wire transfers, bank transfers, cashiers checks...etc. They aren't here to be a part of the US, they are here to milk us for money and take it with them to retire and live nicely.
Which is why Mexico recently pledged $50,000,000 to help illegals stay over here. Mexicans sent over $69,000,000,000 back down to Mexico in 2016.
Jumpstart
02-17-2017, 18:10
Moving somewhere and starting a family, is not how one "makes money." There are a lot of ways to make money in the US, but having some kids and being a maid or something isn't one of them.
Growing up on the border and being bilingual i have known of many illegal aliens who started a family, (which was fully paid for by the U.S taxpayer) gotten WIC, Section 8 housing, free healthcare for their kids,EBT cards (which they can convert into cash in the barrio), free education, etc. This IS a way to make money in the US, for many it is 2nd and 3rd generations now "making" money this way.
Growing up on the border and being bilingual i have known of many illegal aliens who started a family, (which was fully paid for by the U.S taxpayer) gotten WIC, Section 8 housing, free healthcare for their kids,EBT cards (which they can convert into cash in the barrio), free education, etc. This IS a way to make money in the US, for many it is 2nd and 3rd generations now "making" money this way.
Since you've got first hand experience, what would you estimate is the percentage of illegals who go after full blown benefits like that? I feel as though many people just believe that is what all illegals are doing. I've probably met some illegal aliens and didn't know about it, but don't know any currently. I do know poor immigrants that are here legally and don't even know how to get most of the things that you've listed, and have declined help from people suggesting those types of benefits just because they don't understand that they legally qualify, are too proud, think they'll get into trouble, or some combination. There are of course abusers of the system in all forms, but I have a feeling it might not be as rampant as people assume that it is.
Moving somewhere and starting a family, is not how one "makes money." There are a lot of ways to make money in the US, but having some kids and being a maid or something isn't one of them.
That is some of them...I am aware of plenty where that isn't the case. They are living 10 and 15 people in a 2 bedroom place to save money to wire back to Mexico. They openly admit they are only here long enough to make enough to go back to Mexico and buy a place to retire.
Jumpstart
02-17-2017, 19:17
Since you've got first hand experience, what would you estimate is the percentage of illegals who go after full blown benefits like that? I feel as though many people just believe that is what all illegals are doing. I've probably met some illegal aliens and didn't know about it, but don't know any currently. I do know poor immigrants that are here legally and don't even know how to get most of the things that you've listed, and have declined help from people suggesting those types of benefits just because they don't understand that they legally qualify, are too proud, think they'll get into trouble, or some combination. There are of course abusers of the system in all forms, but I have a feeling it might not be as rampant as people assume that it is.
No, it is as rampant as people believe it is, and has been for decades. It is an easy lookup. Cost of illegal aliens annually to U.S. taxpayers. People with 5th grade educations and families tend to take more than they give, and why give when we make it easy for them to take.
I'm a strong believer in making government aid more difficult to obtain, for everyone. Or at least, more difficult to keep for a long duration.
DireWolf
02-17-2017, 20:45
No, it is as rampant as people believe it is, and has been for decades. It is an easy lookup. Cost of illegal aliens annually to U.S. taxpayers. People with 5th grade educations and families tend to take more than they give, and why give when we make it easy for them to take.
My significant other understands spanish fluently, and overheard a conversion right out in the open in the DVM, where apparently detailed instructions for this were being discussed...
My significant other understands spanish fluently, and overheard a conversion right out in the open in the DVM, where apparently detailed instructions for this were being discussed...
That's not evidence of anything. That's the same as saying, "I heard two guys having a conversation at the bar about __insert any scheme___."
DireWolf
02-17-2017, 21:29
True, but I still found it interesting...
I'm sure it's one of those things that everyone knows about and openly talks about. I'm trying to figure out what percentage of people actually do it. I assume a lot of the people receiving benefits that they shouldn't are from citizen collaborators, probably family.
The AP has a total hard-on for Trump.
Great-Kazoo
02-18-2017, 03:20
The AP has a total hard-on for Trump.
Ya Think.
it's all part of the left's Resist Movement. They still believe Hillary won, doing anything possible to destabilize the administration.
Jumpstart
02-18-2017, 07:00
My significant other understands spanish fluently, and overheard a conversion right out in the open in the DVM, where apparently detailed instructions for this were being discussed...
In college my Spanish professor made the comment of how he couldn't understand how his elderly in-laws from South America, ( who had just immigrated to the US) could be getting Social Security benefits. They had never put a penny into the system.
GilpinGuy
02-18-2017, 07:31
I know hispanic housekeepers at our establishment that openly talk about sending money "home". It's their money, so send it where you want. Not sure if they illegally entered our country or not.
hurley842002
02-18-2017, 07:37
I know hispanic housekeepers at our establishment that openly talk about sending money "home". It's their money, so send it where you want. Not sure if they illegally entered our country or not.
Sounds like your establishment could be part of the problem...
Shooter45
02-18-2017, 09:10
The percentage of illegals in the prison systems is horrendous. They are locked up for committing felonies, most of which involve drug running, selling, etc. Speaking to a few of them who were getting deported back to Mexico immediately upon release they said they'll return to the US immediately or very soon. Said it's too good here and they can make too much money. Plus, they said they can literally walk right back across just have to choose their spot to cross. Build the wall!!!! 99.9% of these people want to do nothing for America and reap all the benefits doing illegal things.
Fearful Immigrants Flood Mexican Consulates in U.S. (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fearful-immigrants-flood-mexican-consulates-in-us/ar-AAn3Zd2?li=BBnb7Kz)
However you interpret the message, seems like it's working.
The percentage of illegals in the prison systems is horrendous. They are locked up for committing felonies, most of which involve drug running, selling, etc. Speaking to a few of them who were getting deported back to Mexico immediately upon release they said they'll return to the US immediately or very soon. Said it's too good here and they can make too much money. Plus, they said they can literally walk right back across just have to choose their spot to cross. Build the wall!!!! 99.9% of these people want to do nothing for America and reap all the benefits doing illegal things.
My question is, are they actually being deported by ICE? Or just released? I am not sure that even matters since the boarder is still quite open? Do you know?
Found this today too.
http://iotwreport.com/denver-police-ignore-immigration-officers-pleas-release-alien-before-alleged-murder/
Found this today too.
http://iotwreport.com/denver-police-ignore-immigration-officers-pleas-release-alien-before-alleged-murder/
Here ya go:
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/161398-Think-this-is-a-case-where-victim-should-sue-Denver-PD-almost
And as OneGuy67 pointed out it was the Denver Sheriff's Dept.
Aloha_Shooter
02-24-2017, 20:52
Fearful Immigrants Flood Mexican Consulates in U.S. (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fearful-immigrants-flood-mexican-consulates-in-us/ar-AAn3Zd2?li=BBnb7Kz)
However you interpret the message, seems like it's working.
Link no worky anymore. They must have realized it doesn't fit the agenda.
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