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Aloha_Shooter
04-18-2017, 13:09
The lack of choice thanks to repeated mergers means in most regions there are only a few choices when it comes to air travel. In my opinion this means that no matter how much you pay the companies will never be too concerned with customer service. Your choice is of course to get over it or not fly. While I understand that if I buy a first class ticket that I will in theory get better service than the lowest ticked passenger I can't blame people for opting for the low price option. We already pay the TSA tax, baggage fees, upgraded anything fees, ticket change fees etc. In a world where median wage increases don't go up nearly a tenth as the costs of everything else, again I can hardly blame people for purchasing cheap air fares.
It's not theory, you DO get better service when you pay for the first class ticket. I've seen it, and once or twice benefited from it. The catch is that first class ticket does cost quite a bit but that's how the world works, you get what you pay for. Only in SJW land do people get free stuff no matter what. We as a society opted for and drove the commercial aviation market toward being flying buses so it shouldn't be any surprise that customer service is on par. Virgin offers better service overall but they fly in specific limited markets where they can get the fares that pay for it.
None of that has anything to do with forcible deboarding but then most of us don't tell the airlines or Chicago security, "you'll have to carry me off". Guess what? They did.
Now is a great time to buy United stock. It took a pounding, but long term prospects have not changed. Few will boycot, but I don't see United loosing any business because of this.
Madeinhb
04-18-2017, 14:51
Now is a great time to buy United stock. It took a pounding, but long term prospects have not changed. Few will boycot, but I don't see United loosing any business because of this.
Already did ;)
I'm glad 99% of my flying is booked through corporate travel. I always get taken care of 24x7x365 if there's a problem.
For the few times we fly personal, I used either my status (that I haven't had for 2-3 years now), paid the upgrade to E+, or if I think I'll be flying enough, buy the annual E+ pass. When prudent and flying together for personal trips, we'll almost always opt for one or two low priced upgrades to FC if offered upon check-in. I get only one free bag now (UA card) and without status, the wife gets nothing.
If you're offered an upgrade to FC for $99 or $129, and an E+ is $79 or $99, and a bag is $25/35, why not? So worth it to sit in the front of the bus. Also, if you're FC, whether it was a cheap upgrade offer or not, you're FC when rebooked if needed and you will get taken care of first, usually automatically for the next available flight.
I don't miss flying alot, I do miss getting upgraded often enough on odd routes/times to make me Pavlovian about it.
clodhopper
04-18-2017, 16:44
Now is a great time to buy United stock. It took a pounding, but long term prospects have not changed. Few will boycot, but I don't see United loosing any business because of this.
Depends on how you view a "pounding". Day of the incident it was $71. Now it is ~$67. May 21 it was $65. It is still higher than pretty much the last 7 years, just off all time high. Doesn't look like that much of a "pounding" to me, unless you are looking for real small gains. http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/ual
I've been on one commercial round trip flight since 9/11, and that was 10 years ago. I flew a lot in the 90s; and If I got to where I was going safely, I was happy. I guess I don't know too much about the conditions that exist today, but I'm not too sympathetic of this passenger who violated the terms of his purchase and then disrupted the flight leading to his unfortunate removal from the aircraft.
What on his terms of purchase did he violate?
It's not theory, you DO get better service when you pay for the first class ticket. I've seen it, and once or twice benefited from it. The catch is that first class ticket does cost quite a bit but that's how the world works, you get what you pay for. Only in SJW land do people get free stuff no matter what. We as a society opted for and drove the commercial aviation market toward being flying buses so it shouldn't be any surprise that customer service is on par. Virgin offers better service overall but they fly in specific limited markets where they can get the fares that pay for it.
None of that has anything to do with forcible deboarding but then most of us don't tell the airlines or Chicago security, "you'll have to carry me off". Guess what? They did.
First class passenger kicked off of a flight for similar reasons.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/04/12/second-united-airlines-passenger-kicked-out-of-seat/22037334/
We both agree that having to be forceably removed from a flight is just plain stupid.
Madeinhb
04-19-2017, 08:16
First class passenger kicked off of a flight for similar reasons.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/04/12/second-united-airlines-passenger-kicked-out-of-seat/22037334/
We both agree that having to be forceably removed from a flight is just plain stupid.
Yup. I heard about this. Also heard the reason was because "someone more important needed his seat"
Martinjmpr
04-19-2017, 11:35
From my facebook feed, a page for the 4th Brigade of the 25th ID:
"4th Brigade Combat Team (Airborne), 25th Infantry Division with United.
"You guys think United goes hard? We're out here getting ready to throw 390 customers off an airplane in the middle of the night. #coldblooded"
https://www.facebook.com/0DoYouEvenJump0/
First class passenger kicked off of a flight for similar reasons.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/04/12/second-united-airlines-passenger-kicked-out-of-seat/22037334/
We both agree that having to be forceably removed from a flight is just plain stupid.
I am shocked, SHOCKED that AOL is still around!
I am shocked, SHOCKED that AOL is still around!
Where else can you get your own email address for $29.99 per month?
Martinjmpr
04-19-2017, 20:12
I am shocked, SHOCKED that AOL is still around!
My first thought as well. AOL is still a thing? [emoji2]
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I am shocked, SHOCKED that AOL is still around!
You mean Oath. https://www.wired.co.uk/article/yahoo-verizon-deal
Aloha_Shooter
04-21-2017, 09:10
This only applies to being "bumped". There are no protections for flights being cancelled. My own opinion is that their is no difference between being involuntarily bumped and cancelled (due to non weather events), but the laws don't make that distinction.
I quoted the sections relevant the topic at hand which was someone who was involuntarily deboarded but if you had bothered to go to the link I provided, you'd have seen they have a whole section on delayed and canceled flights. Specifically regarding canceled flights, the DOT says
If your flight is canceled, most airlines will rebook you on their first flight to your destination on which space is available, at no additional charge. If this involves a significant delay, find out if another carrier has space and ask the first airline if they will endorse your ticket to the other carrier. Finding extra seats may be difficult, however, especially over holidays and other peak travel times.
Each airline has its own policies about what it will do for delayed passengers waiting at the airport; there are no federal requirements. If you are delayed, ask the airline staff if it will pay for meals or a phone call. Some airlines, often those charging very low fares, do not provide any amenities to stranded passengers. Others may not offer amenities if the delay is caused by bad weather or something else beyond the airline's control. Contrary to popular belief, for domestic itineraries airlines are not required to compensate passengers whose flights are delayed or canceled. As discussed in the chapter on overbooking, compensation is required by law on domestic trips only when you are "bumped" from a flight that is oversold.
If the purpose of your trip is to close a potentially lucrative business deal, give a speech or lecture, attend a family function, or connect to a cruise, you might want to allow a little extra leeway and take an earlier flight. In other words, airline delays aren't unusual, and defensive planning is a good idea when time is your most important consideration.
My flight was cancelled because the flight crew scheduled for that flight was over their accumulated flight hours. I was told to come back the next day and that they didn't care that I had to purchase extra meals and lodging for the night (as I said they wouldn't even let me stay in the terminal). If you as a company decide to play the odds as far as overbooking, over scheduling etc to benefit you then I have no sympathy for you in the event that it bites you in the ass.
The cap on accumulated flight hours is a safety measure dictated by the DOT. I tend to like my pilot and even flight attendants to not be overtired. I've been bitten by that before, usually caused by weather or mechanical delays that push the crew past the allowed hours. I generally plan my travel so I have some margin at the start -- if you as a traveler decide the play the odds as far as scheduling and possible flight delays or cancellations then I have no sympathy for you in the event that it bites you in the ass.
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“The needs of United employees outweigh the needs of the many.” #UnitedMovieLines
United introduces nose bleed seats. #NewUnitedAirlinesMottos
"We've perfected Chinese takeout" #NewUnitedAirlinesMottos
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"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You took my father's seat. Prepare to be re-accommodated." #UnitedMovieLines
Our service will knock you out #NewUnitedAirlinesMottos
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United 25:17 ...And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my re-accommodation upon thee!" #UnitedMovieLines
This could have been much worse. Imagine if he was wearing leggings. #NewUnitedAirlinesMottos
"It removes itself from the plane or else it gets the hose again." #UnitedMovieLines
May the odds be ever in your favor #NewUnitedAirlinesMottos
Every time a customer's bell is rung a United agent get's his wings #UnitedMovieLines
And that goes for your little carry-on, too! #UnitedMovieLines
Just imagine how we treat your luggage #NewUnitedAirlinesMottos
"What have here is, failure to re-accommodate!" #UnitedMovieLines
"Drag And Drop" #NewUnitedAirlinesMottos
"You are now free to limp about the cabin." #NewUnitedAirlinesMottos
To bad he didn't have a Pepsi on him. #NewUnitedAirlinesMottos
Madeinhb
04-21-2017, 12:17
I am shocked, SHOCKED that AOL is still around!
Be even more shocked that people still pay for it.
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American Airlines employee accused of hitting woman with stroller (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/american-airlines-employee-accused-of-hitting-woman-with-stroller/ar-BBA9DJV?li=BBnb7Kz)
A dispute between passengers and a flight attendant is bringing another black eye to the airline industry, just weeks after a violent incident went viral.
The latest incident occurred Friday on a flight that was getting ready to take off from San Francisco to Dallas.
A video posted to Facebook captured the moments after an employee allegedly took a stroller from a woman and hit her with it, narrowly missing the baby in her arms. The video shows the distraught woman holding her baby and crying, asking flight attendants to give her the stroller back.
A fellow passenger gets up and confronts the flight attendant.
“What’s the guy’s name who did that with the stroller?” the man says. “Is he an American Airlines employee? I want to know his name personally. That’s ridiculous.”
Another passenger can be heard saying “he smacked her in the face with the stroller.”
About a minute later, the employee who apparently wrested the stroller from the woman returns to the cabin, at which point the male passenger who demanded his name confronts him directly.
“Hey, bud? Hey, bud? You do that to me and I’ll knock you flat,” the male passenger says, rising from his seat.
“You stay out of this! You stay out of this!” the employee responds, waving his finger at the passenger. “Try it. Hit me.” The two exchange words before being separated by other crew members.
Fly the hostile skies...
theGinsue
04-22-2017, 10:57
At least, in this case, the employee has been suspended. I suspect that when all of the facts are reviewed by the company this employee will be fired. Too many passengers saw this and side with the woman who was hit.
Well fuck American Airlines too. Hard to believe the would follow the United lead so soon.
Aloha_Shooter
04-22-2017, 23:18
Well fuck American Airlines too. Hard to believe the would follow the United lead so soon.
People don't tend to stop and think about current affairs or PR when their tempers get ahold of them. Having said that, I suspect there may be more to the story. The snippet of video I saw showed what looked like the captain looking on helplessly which leads me to think there was something prior to the viral video. OTOH, American learned from United's experience and acted fast to defuse any PR impacts by suspending the flight attendant involved.
I mean there are lots of crazy passengers too. i am not siding with airline employees, but I've seen some crazy (seriously crazy) idiot who was cussing and kicking ground staff because he was denied checkin with EXPIRED PASSPORT.
I've seen drunken passenger beat the shit out of airline employee and he was let go, and mgnt never reported to airport police. wtf....
SouthPark
04-26-2017, 17:15
I am not sure if United is the worst domestic airline, but they have gone down the road of expensive and crowded. I prefer Hawaiian and Virgin/Alaska. If you can afford First Class, it's a different story, but few can. I fly to Kalispell from time to time, where United is the only non stop carrier, and they charge as much to fly there, a two hour flight, as to fly to the coast. No competition. Frontier flies to Missoula, competing with United, and the fare is half the price of the United fare to Kalispell, so I fly there and rent my car. It adds a bit of drive time but it's a pretty drive. Denver had a similar problem when United tied up most of the gates. Consolidation in the industry has been detriment to the public and we are fortunate some new players come in, like Virgin/Alaska. We will fly anyone to Hawaii but United; Hawaiian is very good and flies more spacious planes, the Airbus 330, which is like the old 767 but better.
Aloha_Shooter
04-27-2017, 10:22
http://www.flyertalk.com/articles/heartless-flight-attendant-ruins-mexican-holiday-for-heartbroken-grandparents.html?utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=
An interesting account from a flight attendant that shows how different situations can be spun.
It is the big news story of the week...month...year...or at least till they can find some other news distraction. Every incident will be heavily reported on.
Shark attack season will be here before you know it.
funkymonkey1111
04-27-2017, 18:20
Settlement today for United
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/27/business/united-david-dao-settlement.html?_r=0
Giant rabbit's death adds to United Airlines' woes (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/giant-rabbits-death-adds-to-united-airlines-woes/ar-BBAnPEs)
LONDON — United Airlines is reviewing the handling of a giant rabbit that died after it was shipped across the Atlantic on one of the carrier's flights, adding to a growing list of customer complaints for the U.S. carrier.
Distraught breeder Annette Edwards told The Associated Press by phone Wednesday that a veterinarian checked Simon, a 10-month-old, 3-foot-long continental rabbit, shortly before the animal was put on a flight from London's Heathrow airport to Chicago's O'Hare, before it was set to continue on to Kansas City.
"Simon had his vet check just before getting on the plane," she said from Worcestershire in central England. "He was fit as a fiddle."
Edwards has said Simon is the offspring of Darius, which the Guinness World Records lists as the world's longest rabbit at 4 feet 3 inches. Simon had been purchased by a celebrity whom Edwards did not identify.
United spokesman Charles Hobart said the airline is reviewing its handling of the animal. The animal was alive and showed no signs of distress upon landing but died at a company-run pet holding facility at the airport, Hobart said.
Hobart said that the rabbit was moving around in its crate and appeared healthy when taken off the plane. About a half-hour later, at the pet facility, it seemed to be sleeping. Shortly after that, a pet facility employee opened the cage and found that the rabbit was dead.
Madeinhb
04-28-2017, 01:30
Email I just got from them :
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.
Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.
For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?
It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.
Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.
That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.
We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.
We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.
While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.
I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.
Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."
Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.
We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.
With Great Gratitude,
Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
^That is the only thing I wanted to see come from this. A change in policy to not let it escalate like it did. Id love to see customer service come back in style.
^That is the only thing I wanted to see come from this. A change in policy to not let it escalate like it did. Id love to see customer service come back in style.
Who needs customer service when you can just email a survey to every customer you've ever had?
I was booked on a fligHTC yesterday that was full. Got done with a meeting early and was able to be at the airport early. I saw another United flight boarding in 15 minutes. Went to the gate, asked if I could swap flights. They said sure, but it would cost $75. Said no and hung around since the gate was the same as my flight 3 hours later. After everyone was boarded, the CS rephilip 169 the hawk saw I was still there and asked if I still wanted to go, but she would wave the fee since there was a long standby list for my flight, and there were 10 empty seats on this.
Win-win on this even though they waived the fee. They got one extra fare on the books by letting me fly early for no change fee.
Email I just got from them :
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.
Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.
For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?
It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.
Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.
That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.
We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.
We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.
While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.
I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.
Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."
Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.
We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.
With Great Gratitude,
Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
I thought they said they were giving me 10,000 miles for my emotional turmoil?
I was booked on a fligHTC yesterday that was full. Got done with a meeting early and was able to be at the airport early. I saw another United flight boarding in 15 minutes. Went to the gate, asked if I could swap flights. They said sure, but it would cost $75. Said no and hung around since the gate was the same as my flight 3 hours later. After everyone was boarded, the CS rephilip 169 the hawk saw I was still there and asked if I still wanted to go, but she would wave the fee since there was a long standby list for my flight, and there were 10 empty seats on this.
Win-win on this even though they waived the fee. They got one extra fare on the books by letting me fly early for no change fee.
See, even that seems kinda dumb to me. If they knew they had to make adjustments, why not offer that up front, perhaps even under the condition they didn't have last minute needs. Who's to say you wouldn't have headed off to the bar or someplace else?
P.S. I hope you got a decent seat. There's often those E+ seats left over from folks that got bumped. :D
Win-win on this even though they waived the fee. They got one extra fare on the books by letting me fly early for no change fee.
They're so focused on getting every possible buck out of their customers, they're making it tougher on themselves. If accommodating a customer helps you sell more tickets, that should be the policy, not the exception.
DireWolf
04-28-2017, 22:57
I will have to give United props for at least starting to learn, but I guess rhe lessons have to be hard sometimes...
Just witnessed them need to involuntarily deplane someone right before takeoff, and from what I could see, they handled it much more professionally and didn't fuck it up (looked legit to me), was deescalated short of requiring force, and the pilot came out to chat (and likely to keep attentions occupied) while we waited.
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Shark attack season will be here before you know it.
...and here we go!
Swimmer injured in shark attack at Southern California beach (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/swimmer-injured-in-shark-attack-at-southern-california-beach/ar-BBAyQwz)
theGinsue
04-30-2017, 15:09
I received the same email from United a few days ago. It's promising. Probably look to fly United for my next flight. Unlike American, United let's me choose my seat at booking without additional fees.
Bailey Guns
04-30-2017, 17:10
I'm so glad I don't have to fly on a regular basis. My most recent flying experience was a one-way from Lewiston to Boise to pick up a truck I bought. Flying out of a little podunk airport is WAY easier than some place like DIA. They almost treat you like a human being...it was nice. We had to actually walk outside to the airplane. And it had propellers.
I'm so glad I don't have to fly on a regular basis. My most recent flying experience was a one-way from Lewiston to Boise to pick up a truck I bought. Flying out of a little podunk airport is WAY easier than some place like DIA. They almost treat you like a human being...it was nice. We had to actually walk outside to the airplane. And it had propellers.
Seating chart by weight? I remember making a flight from SeaTac to Bellingham where we could look over the pilot's shoulder. No beverage service on that one.
Bailey Guns
04-30-2017, 17:43
No...it was a Dash-8. Big enough for us tater fed folks.
:)
Mrs BG had to go back to Denver shortly after getting here to finish up some work-related stuff. She got to the airport at oh-dark-thirty...before TSA. Everyone was just waiting in the gate area, past the security checkpoint. The TSA guy finally got there and just had everyone walk back out behind the metal detector and walk back through. Kinda funny. It felt like being back in the 60s and going to the airport without all the hassle you have to go thru today. Oh...and everyone survived.
Violent Brawl Between Airline Passengers Caught on Video: 'I'll Kill You' (http://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/violent-brawl-between-airline-passengers-caught-on-video-ill-kill-you/ar-BBAEyYt)
Remember the old days when people used to dress up for an airline trip...and didn't have to strip back down going through security? Our society is failing.
Violent Brawl Between Airline Passengers Caught on Video: 'I'll Kill You' (http://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/violent-brawl-between-airline-passengers-caught-on-video-ill-kill-you/ar-BBAEyYt)
Remember the old days when people used to dress up for an airline trip...and didn't have to strip back down going through security? Our society is failing.
You beat me to it...
I was about to start with "..Meanwhile in ANA......"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2017/05/02/ill-kill-you-american-arrested-after-brawling-on-flight-from-tokyo/?utm_term=.2d70a6b92e82
Today's Airline Pick of the day: DELTA
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2017/05/04/family-booted-from-delta-flight-and-threatened-with-jail-after-refusing-to-give-up-toddlers-seat/?utm_term=.8d87bb82f1a7
More of the same with airline employees and the "federal offense" BS.
United Passenger Says Crew Left Her No Choice But to Pee in a Cup
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/united-passenger-says-crew-left-her-no-choice-pee-cup-n757366
BushMasterBoy
05-10-2017, 15:25
I couldn't find anything on "liveleak"...
Aloha_Shooter
05-10-2017, 18:14
Yeah, like I trust anything out of NBC anymore ... FWIW, the story about the girls being asked to put on appropriate clothing is fairly old now and NBC neglected to mention that the girls in question were traveling on an employee pass and were therefore subject to an employee dress code. They (like most of the media when it first came out) made it sound like United was acting as clothing police for their passengers -- instead of acknowledging that it is a policy designed to control the public signature of employee travel when traveling on United.
NFATrustGuy
05-10-2017, 21:58
United Passenger Says Crew Left Her No Choice But to Pee in a Cup
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/united-passenger-says-crew-left-her-no-choice-pee-cup-n757366
And if the flight attendant didn't tell her to return to her seat, then the pax would be suing UA because she bumped her head. If a pax has a medical condition that cannot be controlled for the duration of the flight such that the pax can comply with safety requirements, then perhaps public air travel is not for that pax.
It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If this pax got bounced around on the descent and landed on top another pax and caused injury, then the other pax would probably run to court, too.
And if the flight attendant didn't tell her to return to her seat, then the pax would be suing UA because she bumped her head. If a pax has a medical condition that cannot be controlled for the duration of the flight such that the pax can comply with safety requirements, then perhaps public air travel is not for that pax.
It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If this pax got bounced around on the descent and landed on top another pax and caused injury, then the other pax would probably run to court, too.
Either way, it would've been on the news.
NFATrustGuy
05-10-2017, 22:48
United Passenger Says Crew Left Her No Choice But to Pee in a Cup
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/united-passenger-says-crew-left-her-no-choice-pee-cup-n757366
I just thought of a much better headline for this story:
Passenger's Piss Poor Planning Produces Poor Piss Performance
No other reports of this from nearby passengers?
Hrmmm.
And NFATrustGuy is right. My 56 year old bladder is shrinking as fast as the prostate is likely growing so I try to limit my coffee and water intake before a flight, and use the restroom near the gate within a reasonable time before boarding. Obviously, there are cases where nature and timing don't jive, but people need to take some responsibility for themselves. It's not like she was 12.
BushMasterBoy
10-17-2017, 20:59
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/17/us/united-airlines-flight-officers-disciplined/index.html
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