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Does anyone know if one can open carry inside a church that's in Denver city limits? I would consider conceal carrying into church then converting over to open when I have to make myself look prettier.
hurley842002
09-27-2017, 17:32
If you are already carrying concealed, why on earth would you go open once in church, I guess I'm missing the whole "look prettier" thing. Do you carry to protect yourself or to look pretty?
Easier access to firearm. Of course I would ask about it first but I am curious if I should even try.
I don't think this got much press attention.
http://www.gopusa.com/sudanese-immigrant-shoots-eight-at-church-before-heroic-usher-steps-in/
colorider
09-27-2017, 17:51
Learn to draw from concealment faster and safer. I'm only guessing that open carry in a church won't go over well. People are there to worship and enjoy church. You will be a MAJOR distraction. Just bad form dude.
Dunno why that would be. If the church wasn't in Denver I wouldn't think twice as its fully legal to open carry and I would carry a service pistol. Denver on the other hand is a different story. Why should people at church care? Pastor is former marine corps, etc.
Depends on your church. In Denver, you’re probably right on. At the rural church I used to be a member of, people would openly carry.
I would 'conceal carry' the service pistol from the car to the church in a paddle pretension holster then tuck in my shirt. Just not sure if Denver itself could somehow screw with me. I'm currently not well setup to tuck carry.
Why are you not set up for concealed carry? Pants too tight? Have to keep shirt tucked and can't wear a jacket?
I have been carrying concealed w/ one of HBARleatherneck's OWB g43 high ride holsters while wearing a suit jacket. I'm not a big guy and it's not noticeable at all. Very comfortable.
Open carry is optimal for speed, granted. But painting yourself as a target for first engagement of an active shooter negates that imo. Just learn to draw from an open suit jacket.
This is the g43 one he made that I've been carrying:
https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/004000727187/media/43337527649/medium/1505516132/enhance
hollohas
09-27-2017, 18:44
Why should people at church care? Pastor is former marine corps, etc.
Join their security team. If they don't have one, talk to the pastor about starting one. Go to JeffCo's Security in Faith summit to learn about church security from many folks who have been doing it a long time. Then, if you're officially on the security team, you can create standards about open carry along with the church leadership.
But I can tell you, even the trained armed security at the mega churches in town carry concealed.
Ever see an air Marshall open carry? Why should the people on a plane care? Same kinda thing...
hollohas
09-27-2017, 18:47
I have been carrying concealed w/ one of HBARleatherneck's OWB g43 high ride holsters while wearing a suit jacket. I'm not a big guy and it's not noticeable at all. Very comfortable.
^ This is GREAT church carry and how most of the armed church security do it.
Zundfolge
09-27-2017, 18:54
two thoughts:
1) I'm kinda surprised there's any churches in Denver (other than maybe one of those gay United Methodist or Unitarian churches all the hippies go to) :p
2) Time to start practicing drawing from concealment ... unload your gun and put the ammo in another room and then just practice over and over drawing and re-holstering (this also helps break in a holster ... I'm always amazed how many people never properly break in their holster and then wonder why its so hard to draw out of).
Bailey Guns
09-27-2017, 19:38
^^ Pfft... Hard to "look prettier" with a well-worn in holster.
Great-Kazoo
09-27-2017, 19:51
Why are you not set up for concealed carry? Pants too tight? Have to keep shirt tucked and can't wear a jacket?
I have been carrying concealed w/ one of HBARleatherneck's OWB g43 high ride holsters while wearing a suit jacket. I'm not a big guy and it's not noticeable at all. Very comfortable.
Open carry is optimal for speed, granted. But painting yourself as a target for first engagement of an active shooter negates that imo. Just learn to draw from an open suit jacket.
This is the g43 one he made that I've been carrying:
https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/004000727187/media/43337527649/medium/1505516132/enhance
I have an IWB fromHBar. MMMmm wonder if he'll start doing a prettier pistol holster line. For those more interested in optics than practicality.
mattiooo
09-27-2017, 20:05
A self-defense weapon should be felt, not seen.
Also, I would rather not make myself a primary target by showing I'm a potential threat. I want surprise on my side.
A lot of good thoughts in here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3JOXMjo1s4
This thread went in a different direction from the intent of wanting to know about potential legal consequence in communist Denver.
The only time I tuck my shirt in is for weddings, funerals and Sunday morning. So my holster choices pretty much reflect that. For example I have an iwb holster for my glock 20 that I've had for 15 years.
I also put my keltec p3at back in unreliable status until I get that thing better figured out, and I don't like that pistol much anyways. I do have an OWB holster for the HK USP compact and I do have one jacket that's 24 years old that probably should be retired. With the weather getting colder I probably could make do with that rig with a few adjustments. All that still requires a noticeable wardrobe update for myself (and retiring of more than long sleeve button shirts I only ever wear to church).
The answer, in short, is no.
https://www.mydenveraccidentlawfirm.com/news-resources/denver-prohibits-open-carry-of-firearms-a-clash-of-cultures-in-colorado/
OtterbatHellcat
09-27-2017, 20:33
Like.
Don't do it open in Denver, man. Google up Rick Stanley and see where that got him.
The answer, in short, is no.
https://www.mydenveraccidentlawfirm.com/news-resources/denver-prohibits-open-carry-of-firearms-a-clash-of-cultures-in-colorado/
Odd about Castle Rock. Totally didn't know that. When I lived there, a buddy and I used to go to Waffle House all the time w/ OC. Cops were always in there. We even asked once what the Castle Rock PD's opinion on the matter was and the kind officer replied, "More the merrier. Enjoy your dinner!"
OtterbatHellcat
09-27-2017, 21:55
Yes, but the OP was referencing the city and county of Denver. ("Denver city limits")
I wouldn't open carry in our state or any other state. IMO, it's just asking for trouble.
Odd about Castle Rock. Totally didn't know that. When I lived there, a buddy and I used to go to Waffle House all the time w/ OC. Cops were always in there. We even asked once what the Castle Rock PD's opinion on the matter was and the kind officer replied, "More the merrier. Enjoy your dinner!"
Conflicting info there I think.
Castle Rock voted to repeal the ban on OC in town owned public buildings and parks. AFAIK, that still stands - OC allowed.
I don't think there was ever any ban on OC in CR in general.
Obviously, you're not waltzing into the DougCo JC with anything deadlier than a nail clippers...
That article was posted in April 2014. I agree that it is not up to date wrt Castle Rock.
Not sure what the point is with OC in church, but whatever.
That article was posted in April 2014. I agree that it is not up to date wrt Castle Rock.
Not sure what the point is with OC in church, but whatever.
My time in CR was pre-repeal.
A self-defense weapon should be felt, not seen.
Also, I would rather not make myself a primary target by showing I'm a potential threat. I want surprise on my side.
A lot of good thoughts in here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3JOXMjo1s4
Great video. I couldn't agree more with him.
KevDen2005
09-28-2017, 11:00
It's church so you're dressed nice. Make sure the holster matches your belt and your boots.
StagLefty
09-28-2017, 11:34
It's church so you're dressed nice. Make sure the holster matches your belt and your boots.
Well that rules out "casual ammo" [ROFL2]
Marine24
09-28-2017, 13:04
I'm on the security team in our church and SOP is concealed carry. Open carry isn't exactly consistent with the tone or atmosphere of folks coming to worship and, like others, makes me wonder why someone would in the first place.
My church doesn't have an official policy about bringing in weapons to church, but they aren't discouraged. If someone walked in to church with an open carry weapon it would definitely get the security teams attention. If not deemed a threat, they would be politely asked to conceal the weapon or leave.
Just because I can doesn't mean I should.
It's church so you're dressed nice. Make sure the holster matches your belt and your boots.
This sounds more like attire for a BBQ, not necessarily church.
Just because I can doesn't mean I should.
Every once in a while I see someone open carrying here in Boulder. While it may be perfectly legal, it's akin to wearing a Borat swimsuit in terms of garnering attention. More often than not it seems like that's what the person is seeking.
spqrzilla
09-28-2017, 14:08
This sounds more like attire for a BBQ, not necessarily church.
You worship your way. I'll worship mine. [ROFL1]
BushMasterBoy
09-28-2017, 15:01
Let us prey...
I am all for the open carry inside the church.
However if all congregation bring plate carrier, msr, shotgun, it will kinda look like those weird cult type of church. [LOL]
I am all for the open carry inside the church.
However if all congregation bring plate carrier, msr, shotgun, it will kinda look like those weird cult type of church. [LOL]
Gotta' protect yourself from the rattlesnakes during the service.
As part of a church security team, it will definitely freak a few people out if you open carry. The team will also keep a heavy eye on the open carrier the entire time. If you choose to do so, which you can and that's okay, I'd recommend expecting a conversation with a security person or the police about why you are open carrying. In this day and age, it's a great way to draw unnecessary attention to yourself.
All easily avoidable if you carry concealed instead.
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As far as legality, if a church is considered private property, and you have permission of the property owner (or responsible party, like a pastor/rabbi/priest), then open carry should be legal. Prudent is another matter entirely, for reasons already beaten to death above.
longrange2
09-28-2017, 17:17
Our church security team would ask you to cover your firearm. We don't have a problem with CCW but open carry is discouraged. We've only had one person refuse to cover and they left so problem solved. If someone refused to cover and to leave we'd probably call the PD for trespass.
buffalobo
09-28-2017, 17:38
Open carry anywhere in the city of Denver is bad idea. Open carry in rest of metro area will get you more attention than you want.
If you're unarmed you are a victim
KevDen2005
09-29-2017, 00:29
This sounds more like attire for a BBQ, not necessarily church.
Are you implying you shouldn't match your belt and footwear to your holster. You sir, are a savage!
KevDen2005
09-29-2017, 00:29
Let us prey...
I see what you did there
Are you implying you shouldn't match your belt and footwear to your holster. You sir, are a savage!
I'm not saying that at all. Hell, I even match the color of my watches to the color of my belt buckles. What I'm saying is that if your goal is 'pretty', then you're wearing the gunleather that needs to be seen rather than concealed. The same type of gunleather that would carry a fine looking BBQ gun.
A Court gun and Church gun are the same thing. They're more understated and more closely related to a service piece, without the wear marks. This gun only gets used on special days. The leather carrying a Church gun should match and look nice. You need to look like you have your shhhhtuff together, but you're not being ostentatious.
For those that don't understand the reference;
(http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2006/03/court-guns-and-bbq-guns.html)Court guns and BBQ guns. (http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2006/03/court-guns-and-bbq-guns.html)
KevDen2005
09-29-2017, 09:27
I'm not saying that at all. Hell, I even match the color of my watches to the color of my belt buckles. What I'm saying is that if your goal is 'pretty', then you're wearing the gunleather that needs to be seen rather than concealed. The same type of gunleather that would carry a fine looking BBQ gun.
A Court gun and Church gun are the same thing. They're more understated and more closely related to a service piece, without the wear marks. This gun only gets used on special days. The leather carrying a Church gun should match and look nice. You need to look like you have your shhhhtuff together, but you're not being ostentatious.
For those that don't understand the reference;
(http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2006/03/court-guns-and-bbq-guns.html)Court guns and BBQ guns. (http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2006/03/court-guns-and-bbq-guns.html)
A gun and holster for only special occasions is something I must purchase immediately.
hollohas
09-29-2017, 09:32
We have Sunday go to church clothes and now we have Sunday go to church guns.
Awesome.
OtterbatHellcat
09-29-2017, 15:39
I see what you did there
[facepalm]...I didn't catch it.
Bailey Guns
09-29-2017, 16:27
For those that don't understand the reference;
(http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2006/03/court-guns-and-bbq-guns.html)Court guns and BBQ guns. (http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2006/03/court-guns-and-bbq-guns.html)
Being from TX I'm gonna have to disagree with a point in the blog piece...
I don't think the BBQ gun needs to be a revolver. As a matter of fact, the handful of times I've ever attended a function where there were guns being worn, they were almost always very ornate 1911 pistols, usually made by Colt. Revolvers tended to be ornately engraved Model 29s or something similar...an N frame at least. Though a Python would certainly be apropos. And a Taurus? Yeah...I don't think so. Maybe if they're cooking Kansas City style BBQ...and certainly not real Texans.
Bailey Guns
09-29-2017, 16:31
Despite outward appearances, this is NOT a BBQ gun:
http://www.sumoflam.biz/OntarioPage/GunBBQ.jpg
OtterbatHellcat
09-29-2017, 16:42
Nope....it's a BBQ Cannon.
Everythings bigger, nice.
Being from TX I'm gonna have to disagree with a point in the blog piece...
I don't think the BBQ gun needs to be a revolver. As a matter of fact, the handful of times I've ever attended a function where there were guns being worn, they were almost always very ornate 1911 pistols, usually made by Colt. Revolvers tended to be ornately engraved Model 29s or something similar...an N frame at least. Though a Python would certainly be apropos. And a Taurus? Yeah...I don't think so. Maybe if they're cooking Kansas City style BBQ...and certainly not real Texans.
True, the revolver is old school. The current trend is the 1911. I found it funny that Wilson Combat actually makes a model specific to the practice; https://www.wilsoncombat.com/wilson-combat-texas-bbq-special/
I wish I had that kind of coin for something like that, but I don't. Then again, I can't see spending money on something that I wouldn't use often.
Bailey Guns
09-29-2017, 18:12
^^ Wow! That's a nice looking gun. Mrs BG even interrupted her quilting to admire it.
KevDen2005
09-29-2017, 19:47
[facepalm]...I didn't catch it.
Prey (as in being a victim) vs. Pray (as to God)
I suppose it could have been accidental
A gun and holster for only special occasions is something I must purchase immediately.
Absolutely!! [ROFL2]
https://s19.postimg.org/45xpr1h2b/IMG_1217.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/cbfrp75b3/)
Seems like you guys had some fun with this thread, not that it was ever too serious...
Thankfully I was able to avoid the open carry issue entirely. I was able to easily and cleanly tuck a blackhawk ARC holster for my shield and stuck my double mag carrier in my back pocket. Not exactly the solution I wanted but it will work for now.
The day before that I went to the Goodwill in Parker and broke the bank on a 5usd coat in good condition that fit and IMHO doesn't look dated. When it actually gets cool enough later in the year I'll strap on my OWB and HK USP compact.
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