9news providing more anti gun reporting...

[KevDen2005]

With a side of race baiting.

http://www.9news.com/news/local/investigations/it-took-less-than-50-hours-for-58-more-people-to-die-from-guns-after-the-las-vegas-shooting/502911439

KUSA - In Las Vegas on Oct. 1, a single gunman opened fire on a crowded concert venue, killing 58 people and wounding hundreds more (http://www.9news.com/news/nation-world/las-vegas-shooting-mandalay-bay-hotel/480059883). It was the single largest mass shooting in modern U.S. history, and devastated the nation.
And while mass shootings focus the national attention, dozens of Americans are killed each day by someone wielding a gun.
9Wants to Know evaluated obituaries and online news articles, with the help of http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ to find out how long, after the start of the Las Vegas shooting, would another 58 people in the United States die on the wrong side of the gun.
One minute after the first shot was fired in Las Vegas, police found 22-year-old Deandre Brown shot dead in an SUV in Shreveport, Louisiana, 1,244 miles away.


After the start of the Las Vegas shooting, 9Wants to Know found that at least 58 more people would die from a gunshot wound over the next 49 hours and 38 minutes, not including suicides.
More than 60 percent of gun-related deaths are suicides, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) 5-year fatal injury reports from 2011-2015.
During that time period, the CDC records show more than 105,000 people in the U.S. intentionally killed themselves using a gun.
REPORTER'S NOTEBOOK: Don't think Chris Vanderveen is trying to change your mind when he reports on gun deaths (http://www.9news.com/opinion/dont-think-chris-vanderveen-is-trying-to-change-your-mind-when-he-reports-on-gun-deaths/502912489)
However, tracking suicide is inherently difficult. Many are not reported by news outlets, and so updated information is not immediately available.
Instead, 9Wants to Know included homicides, accidental shootings and officer-involved shootings to develop the list of the next 58 deaths. These 58 people who lost their lives to gun-related tragedies lived in 23 different states, from Florida to California.
They ranged in age from 5 – 68. More than half were under the age of 30. Three children’s deaths were considered accidental.

Judah Todman, 5, was found in a car outside a preschool in Orlando. Police believe he accidentally shot himself with a family member’s gun.
Azeneth Pina, 14, was shot by another teen while driving around in a van in northeast Dallas. Her older sister told police she witnessed the shooting, and said it was an accident.
Aqawvius De'Jon Clemmer, 11, died from an accidental self-inflicted gunshot wound in Ripley, Mississippi.
A fourth accidental death, that of Kenneth Morris, 28, occurred when Morris fatally shot himself after his gun fell from its holster in his car in Berwick, Pennsylvania. He was reportedly trying to calm his child in the backseat.
Two of the 58 were killed by officers.
Ouachita Parish deputies in Louisiana shot and killed Marquinton T. Brooks, 22, during a traffic stop. Brooks allegedly tried to drive away from the deputies and pulled a gun from his waistband.
Police in Jefferson City, Missouri shot and killed John Loaiza, 40, after he charged at the officers armed with a metal pipe.
At least 36 of the 58 were black.

Daniel Brinkley, a 24-year-old black man, was the 270th homicide in Baltimore this year. That city now has more than 300 homicides reported in 2017.
Keith Minick, also a 24-year-old black man, was killed in Allentown, Pennsylvania, during a daytime shootout. Also killed during the shooting was Richard Vera Jr., a 28-year-old black man.
Theirs marked the 32nd and 33rd deaths after the start of the Vegas shooting.
Prosecutors believe the two men shot and killed each other.

Men are most often the victims of gun violence. Just eight women were among these 58 killed.
Tanisha Huff, 37, was killed in her home in Cincinnati, Ohio. The father of her child was arrested and charged with her murder. She had been granted a restraining order against the suspect just days before the shooting.
Officers believe Pamela Jones Williams, 57, was killed in Mayfield, Kentucky by a boyfriend because of a failing relationship. The shooter, Steven Lyn Yarbrough, is also believed to have shot and killed himself.
9Wants to Know believes that the following list represents a conservative estimate of 58 individuals who were killed by guns in the hours following the start of the Las Vegas shooting. There may have been other deaths that were not reported, and other individuals killed by guns whose names have not yet been released during that time.

[Great-Kazoo]

Yet most of America forgets

In Feb. it will have been 25 years since Waco.





Right , wrong, what ever your stance is on Waco. IMO they could have taken Koresh anytime.

[hollohas]

Yet most of America forgets

In Feb. it will have been 25 years since Waco.





Right , wrong, what ever your stance is on Waco. IMO they could have taken Koresh anytime.

Been seeing a commercial for an upcoming 8 part made for TV movie about WACO. Looks like it's going to favor the side of Koresh, at least that's what the commercials show.

www.paramountnetwork.com/shows/waco#videos

[ray1970]

That guy really should dig into vehicle related deaths. I’d love to see how he spins that.

[KevDen2005]

Chris Vanderveen wrote an entire article on how he's not trying to change your mind...included in the link.

"Felons aren't always responsible for their own murders."

And he used Officer Involved shootings. The vast majority clear the officer of wrongdoing. I know he says he's not trying to change your mind, but my take on it is he is relating people committing violent felonious acts and getting killed in the process to straight up unprovoked murder.

Giving him credit he didn't use a lot of suicide data which annoys me when people do. Those people are making a choice and using a tool at their disposal. They would use other tools if the gun wasn't available.

[theGinsue]

Agreed Ray. I wish I had the resources to determine the number of vehicle related deaths during that same period so I could write a counter article depicting how those senseless deaths were no less tragic - and all for something that is a privledge versus something that is a right. Of course, I'd have to break the article down by race as well, to show how one demographic is unequally a victim to senseless traffic violence.

[Gman]

They need to embellish the stats a little bit and report how many black people were killed by black people, and how many black people were killed by anyone else.That's what I was going to point out. How many of these are black-on-black crimes that seem to be part of a leftist agenda that suppresses any discussion of an underlying problem? Based on simple math of the racial makeup of the US population, this indicates there's an underlying problem. Nah, let's focus on those inanimate objects. Trying to figure out societal problems is too messy.

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[theGinsue]

Chris Vanderveen wrote an entire article on how he's not trying to change your mind...included in the link.

"Felons aren't always responsible for their own murders."

And he used Officer Involved shootings. The vast majority clear the officer of wrongdoing. I know he says he's not trying to change your mind, but my take on it is he is relating people committing violent felonious acts and getting killed in the process to straight up unprovoked murder.

Giving him credit he didn't use a lot of suicide data which annoys me when people do. Those people are making a choice and using a tool at their disposal. They would use other tools if the gun wasn't available.

The "I'm not trying to change your mind" statement reminds me of the telephone and door to door salespeople who start off with "I'm not trying to sell you anything", but they always are.

As you said Kevin, those intending to commit suicide will use whatever tool they can to get the job done. Blaming the tool is a fools errand, but then again, that whole article wreaks of a fool.

As for the accidental shootings, it's the same as driving a vehicle - if you don't show the proper respect, care and total attention to the firearm or vehicle you run a serious risk of injury or death. Responsible ownership/use is the key, but then again, our society no longer believes in personal responsibility.

Police shootings included in this "analysis"? Well, we could remove firearms from our police officers and that would solve that problem; or would it? I dare to say that in almost every instance where an officer has to use his firearm he wishes he never HAD to. If police officers didn't possess firearms, and if they never used them, the officers and society in general would be a hell of a lot less safe. In most every case where an officer uses his firearm it's because the threat was great enough to require it. If people didn't give officers the NEED to use their firearms this guy wouldn't have anything to write about on the subject, but he conveniently fails to achknowlege that in his article.

Bad people exist. No amount of liberal tears and unicorn dreams will erase that. And those bad people will use anything they can get to achieve their malicious goals. Until such time as unicorns become real and we have no more threat of harm from another I will own & possess firearms to provide for my own safety.

[buffalobo]

Not to sound heartless but 58 out of 300,000,000 is statistically negligible.

Without discussing or including stats from other "causes of death" the author demonstrates the bias inherent in this type article and deserves no consideration of their argument. Completely agenda driven and the agenda is not less death.

Appropriate reply to liberal scumbag media parasite - So what, what you describe is statistically negligible in a free society. Only way to change it is remove freedom. So be honest and say you want to have less freedom not less death.

BTW - When was the last time you looked at deaths caused by drowning or poisoning?

If you're unarmed, you are a victim

[UrbanWolf]

Agreed Ray. I wish I had the resources to determine the number of vehicle related deaths during that same period so I could write a counter article depicting how those senseless deaths were no less tragic - and all for something that is a privledge versus something that is a right. Of course, I'd have to break the article down by race as well, to show how one demographic is unequally a victim to senseless traffic violence.

You know, it’s just a matter of time before they use that stat and push for banning human drivers when fully self driven car are made.

[Doc45]

Hey Chris, you and your pal Kyle can kiss my rose red ass. Oh yeah, drownings alone are horrendous, write something about that you worthless puke.
https://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/water-safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html

[theGinsue]

You know, it’s just a matter of time before they use that stat and push for banning human drivers when fully self driven car are made.

Oh, I'm waiting for that...you know the .gov and do-gooders will push hard for it. After all, "If it saves just one life...".

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

They need to embellish the stats a little bit and report how many black people were killed by black people, and how many black people were killed by anyone else.

This was on in my house in the background this morning, but happened to take a minor note of it.
If you watch the video, they basically do the first part (no embellishment needed) of your request as they show the pictures of the victims. Unshockingly, it is predominantly blacks, and in places like Baltimore, St. Louis, Chicago, Detroit, etc. Over and again.

[Eric P]

I'm not an anti-gunner, says the anti-gunner.

http://www.9news.com/opinion/dont-think-chris-vanderveen-is-trying-to-change-your-mind-when-he-reports-on-gun-deaths/502912489



KUSA - Don’t think I’m trying to change your mind.

I’m not.

I never had an anti-gun or pro-gun agenda in mind when I sat down to work on this project.

I simply wanted to add something to the conversation.

Perspective.

That’s it.

A few months ago, 58 people died while trying to enjoy an outdoor concert in Las Vegas, Nevada.

58.

STORY: It took less than 50 hours for 58 more people to die from guns after the Las Vegas shooting

I’m sure you felt as sick as I feel now as I struggle to elicit complex thoughts and emotions using nothing more unsatisfactory than a number.

58.

It is a number that represents yet another threshold crossed.

Yet another definition of the words “deadliest modern-day American shooting” reached.

That’s not why I started working on this project, however.

Not too long ago, I started examining dozens of obituaries and online news articles in an effort to put together a story not on the 58 who died in Las Vegas.

That story had already been told and retold over local, national, and international airwaves.

What I wanted to do was try to find out how much longer it would take for another 58 people to die in the United States on the wrong end of a gun.

My count started immediately after the first shot fired in Vegas.

One minute later and 1,244 miles away, police in Louisiana discovered a 22-year old dead in an SUV.

He became my list’s starting point.

No. 1.

With the help of the website www.gunviolencearchive.org, I kept counting.

I deliberately chose not to include suicides because reporting on suicide is either sporadic or nonexistent.

In other words, minus quizzing an endless number of coroner’s offices across the country, that data would have been virtually inaccessible under the time constraints of this project.

I did include accidental deaths as well as officer-involved shootings.

I chose that not to highlight anything other than that idea that I believe my audience is smart enough to consider the unique nature of both when it comes to this discussion.

I did manage to find at least one act of self-defense.

I’m also comfortable enough to say there could be more acts of self-defense on my list.

I can’t find one death on the list that involved something other than a handgun.

I also know, for a fact, many of those who died were not exactly saints, but I’m also a believer in the idea that even felons aren’t always at fault when it comes to their own murders.

Disagree?

Sorry.

It took me a few weeks to put together this list.

I don’t claim it to be definitive.

There remains the possibility I missed some. Not all gun deaths go reported online.

But it gives you an idea of just how long it took for at least another 58 people to die in gun-related homicide.

By my count, it took a little more than two days. 49 hours. 38 minutes.

That’s it.

If you look at FBI statistics from 2016, that’s slightly longer than the 2016 average.

Consider the list as you will.

I have no intention of using it to try to suggest anyone should come for your guns.

I also have no intention of suggesting any of the myriad of gun law proposals I’ve seen to date would have had much of an impact on the list.

I simply wanted to see how long it might take.

That’s it.

Now I know.

And so, perhaps, you do too.

© 2017 KUSA-TV

It looks like a few from here responded in the comments.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Oh, I'm waiting for that...you know the .gov and do-gooders will push hard for it. After all, "If it saves just one life...".

The "good" news is - I'm pretty sure self-driven cars will take a few more lives before this goes mainstream. They've already gotten at least one.
I'm pumped about self driving cars, personally, but I want an override switch too. Not this i, robot thing.
But, programming for human unpredictability is going to take them a few lives (no pun intended).

[UrbanWolf]

The "good" news is - I'm pretty sure self-driven cars will take a few more lives before this goes mainstream. They've already gotten at least one.
I'm pumped about self driving cars, personally, but I want an override switch too. Not this i, robot thing.
But, programming for human unpredictability is going to take them a few lives (no pun intended).

I’m really excited about self driving cars too, in fact I just test drove a Tesla model X, I want the AI to replace the part of driving I hate (stop and go I25). I don’t think human drivers should be outright banned, not yet anyways. But I do know that those half brain dead media slaves will spin the vehicles death when the time comes just like they are doing with guns now.

[cstone]

I didn't feel like looking for more current numbers so based on 2012 numbers from the CDC, there were 3,952,841 babies born in the US. Divided by 365 days in one year, that makes about 10,830 each day or 451 each hour. Using the same 49 hour time frame used by the author, when 58 people died from gunshot wounds, 22,110 babies were born in the US. Just as a simple math problem this puts the US more than 22,050 in the plus column if we were just considering gun deaths.

Not that I am trying to change anyone's mind. [mop]

[Irving]

This article needs a snazy info graphic.

[flogger]

I think this is going to be a good thread!

[BPTactical]

So we are saying we are surprised by a very liberal media outlet spinning an anti 2A article while ignoring much more prevalent causes of death....



.....well I never would have thought that..

[KevDen2005]

You know, it’s just a matter of time before they use that stat and push for banning human drivers when fully self driven car are made.

Reminds me. My agency was contacted by a company that would be testing self driving cars on I25 (along with alll the appropriate agencies). They apparently had all the permits (and none of that was ran by me at my lowly level). However, our traffic division wanted to know who to give a ticket to when there was a traffic violation.

[KevDen2005]

So we are saying we are surprised by a very liberal media outlet spinning an anti 2A article while ignoring much more prevalent causes of death....



.....well I never would have thought that..

Well I was a little shocked. I always thought they were neutral just trying to report the news

[theGinsue]

Reminds me. My agency was contacted by a company that would be testing self driving cars on I25 (along with alll the appropriate agencies). They apparently had all the permits (and none of that was ran by me at my lowly level). However, our traffic division wanted to know who to give a ticket to when there was a traffic violation.

Did anyone ever figure out an answer to that question?


Well I was a little shocked. I always thought they were neutral just trying to report the news
Glad I have a screen protector over my iPad; that caused a spit-take.

[KevDen2005]

Did anyone ever figure out an answer to that question?


Glad I have a screen protector over my iPad; that caused a spit-take.

Those guys tend to be very Type A so I'm sure they figured out where to send it. Lol, but I'm not sure.

[NeedMoreAmmo]

9 News. (rolleyes) My guess is they are going to go full retard for the next legislative session.

[BPTactical]

9 News. (rolleyes) My guess is they are going to go full retard for the next legislative session.

Going full retard for Ch9 would be redundant.

[Gman]

9 News. (rolleyes) My guess is they are going to go full retard for the next legislative session.
I doubt they'd find it possible to take it down to full retard.

[OtterbatHellcat]

I saw that bit, but I was busy at the time and didn't catch the whole thing. I had a WTF? moment.


I used to think 9 did a little bit better than the rest of 'em....but I no longer think that. Their new graphics suck giant monkey nuts too.

[Ronin13]

If it's a "News" org (other than Fox News) that's in the mainstream, and on TV, it's going to be leftist propaganda. Just a question of 'to what degree.' Gun control is never about guns, it's about control.

[BladesNBarrels]

Saw a quick story on the 9 National News.
Man was arrested in a hotel in Houston that hosts a big New Year's Eve Party.
His crime - he brought his rifle, shotgun, and handgun into his room.
His explanation - he didn't want to leave them in his truck and take the chance of them being stolen.
No other incidents - no shootings, no gun waving, no threatening, no arguments, no nothing.
Made the National News.
What??
Who hasn't been guilty of the same thing when traveling with firearms?

[.455_Hunter]

Saw a quick story on the 9 National News.
Man was arrested in a hotel in Houston that hosts a big New Year's Eve Party.
His crime - he brought his rifle, shotgun, and handgun into his room.
His explanation - he didn't want to leave them in his truck and take the chance of them being stolen.
No other incidents - no shootings, no gun waving, no threatening, no arguments, no nothing.
Made the National News.
What??
Who hasn't been guilty of the same thing when traveling with firearms?

What was he arrested for?

[Ronin13]

Saw a quick story on the 9 National News.
Man was arrested in a hotel in Houston that hosts a big New Year's Eve Party.
His crime - he brought his rifle, shotgun, and handgun into his room.
His explanation - he didn't want to leave them in his truck and take the chance of them being stolen.
No other incidents - no shootings, no gun waving, no threatening, no arguments, no nothing.
Made the National News.
What??
Who hasn't been guilty of the same thing when traveling with firearms?

What was he arrested for?
This is my question. I understand the on-edge cautiousness after Vegas, but with no crime committed other than simply "possession while occupying a tall building" I fail to see the merits in arrest.

[00tec]

This is my question. I understand the on-edge cautiousness after Vegas, but with no crime committed other than simply "possession while occupying a tall building" I fail to see the merits in arrest.

Dude was drunk and disorderly. Hotel called the cops on him for acting like a drunk idiot acts. The guns are the story because they're scary.

[Irving]

Dude was drunk and disorderly. Hotel called the cops on him for acting like a drunk idiot acts. The guns are the story because they're scary.

This ^^^

He was drunk and disorderly and kept harassing other patrons. The police were escorting him to his room to get his stuff and that's when they saw a bunch of guns.

[brutal]

I checked into the downtown Seattle Hilton lobby 12-20 with my blatantly locked Pelican 1560 case in tow.

If anyone asks, it's camera gear.

[motoboy]

I used to think 9 did a little bit better than the rest of 'em....but I no longer think that. Their new graphics suck giant monkey nuts too.

Yup ! This ! [fail]

[BladesNBarrels]

Dude was drunk and disorderly. Hotel called the cops on him for acting like a drunk idiot acts. The guns are the story because they're scary.

As Paul Harvey said: "The rest of the story"
Page Two:
I did not hear the arrest part and I did not Google Search it, so I reacted....What??

[oops] [google]

[Ronin13]

I checked into the downtown Seattle Hilton lobby 12-20 with my blatantly locked Pelican 1560 case in tow.

If anyone asks, it's camera gear.
Good plan. I don't have a pelican case, so my rifle case looks like a rifle case.

As Paul Harvey said: "The rest of the story"
Page Two:
I did not hear the arrest part and I did not Google Search it, so I reacted....What??

[oops] [google]
Same here. Good to know. Like I always say, there's more to the story than what the media gives us... even if they have a ton of details, a lot is always left out.

[brutal]

Good plan. I don't have a pelican case, so my rifle case looks like a rifle case.



Yea, I only travel with pistolas.

FWIW, does it piss off anyone else that most airlines/terminals just dump the locked firearms cases on the carousel? I mean, any damn hooligan that knows why they have padlocks on them could potentially haul it off.

That said, most of the airports with the exception of DIA on occasion take forever to get the bags out so I've never not been waiting.

I think the only time I had to pick up from the UA baggage counter and show ID and luggage tag was in Milwaukee.

[KevDen2005]

I find DIA to be quite the pain when traveling out of here. I have had a much easier time leaving through Kansas City, Baltimore, and Reagan.

[brutal]

I find DIA to be quite the pain when traveling out of here. I have had a much easier time leaving through Kansas City, Baltimore, and Reagan.

I just wish UA had a TSA station closer than the complete opposite corner of the main terminal and I didn't have to follow their slow cart pushers.

Coming back from SEATAC this time, they didn't even escort me, just pointed and said around the corner. I said, "Thanks, been there before."

MKE was easy outbound. TSA scanner right next to the ticket counters. Even asked the guy for my case back because I forgot to stuff my pocket knife in it before handing it to him. As soon as I reached into my pocket for the keys just in case, I realized I still had my knife there.

[OtterbatHellcat]

does it piss off anyone else that most airlines/terminals just dump the locked firearms cases on the carousel?


Yes, ......yes it does.