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Aloha_Shooter
06-26-2018, 22:11
It seems to me recently that the American Left has become like the Khmer Rouge or Mao's Revolutionary Guard while the MSM resembles nothing so much as Stalinist Pravda. The incidents this past week and Democrat defense of Maxine Waters' terroristic incitement are just scary. The Republican Party is no longer the party of Richard Nixon (thank God!) and the Democrat Party is no longer the party of Daniel Patrick Moynihan or Harry Truman (more's the pity). How can they not see just how violently extreme they have become?

The Left has gone way beyond delusional and deceptive and is full-bore dangerous.

Zundfolge
06-26-2018, 22:31
The Democrats have decided if they can't have America, nobody can.

GilpinGuy
06-26-2018, 23:29
Interesting times to be alive. Be the ant......

Jeffrey Lebowski
06-27-2018, 05:46
How can they not see just how violently extreme they have become?

The Left has gone way beyond delusional and deceptive and is full-bore dangerous.

If you follow any of them on social media, they’d say the exact same of the right.

Bailey Guns
06-27-2018, 06:04
If you follow any of them on social media, they’d say the exact same of the right.

Of course they would. The difference is in the evidence we see every day. You don't see people from the right doing and saying the same kinds of things that come from the left. On the (far less often) occasion it does, it's quickly condemned by the right. The complete and irrational hatred of Trump is unlike anything I've ever seen. And the comparisons made by the left of Trump to Hitler or Nazi Germany? Seriously? Have these people ever read a book? It's just insane. And it's coming from educated people, many in the leftist media.

I'm with AS. Every time I think the left has reached the maximum heights of hypocrisy and hatred, someone adds another rung on the ladder. I'm almost speechless with the some of the things we're seeing today. Foremost among them is the complete and total erosion of an objective and unbiased media. The bias has been bad and clearly evident since the Reagan presidency. But they at least made some attempts at hiding it. All that changed after Bush II won, it seems. The left and the leftist media are completely unhinged from reality.

To be fair, I've heard a pretty fair number of democrats speak out against some of the recent goings on from the likes of Auntie Maxine and a few others. But I don't think the "outcry" (I know...that's a stretch) is genuine. I believe any democrat speaking out against the leftist loons is simply trying to CYA ahead of the midterms. After that, you won't hear a peep until the next election cycle.

I'm just astounded by what passes for normal leftist belief and behavior these days. They're completely off the rails. There is no far left fringe in the democrat party any longer. The fringe is now the center.

Great-Kazoo
06-27-2018, 06:21
When it comes to almost anything political where it will or could be read on line, I've decided, it's best to exercise my Miranda Rights.

Regarding coming unhinged, with the SCOTUS ruling in Favor of the Travel Ban.
One would, or maybe not be surprised by how many in the comments section actually write.
Something along the lines of Well the 9th district will over turn their decision once it gets appealed [facepalm]

Bailey Guns
06-27-2018, 06:45
More evidence of just how far left the Democrat party has gone...not the fringe...the mainstream of the party:


Ocasio-Cortez, 28, who is from the Bronx, is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America and ran a low-budget campaign where she was outspent by an 18-1 margin.

"We have had our country on autopilot and we’ve been accepting what’s been happening," she told Refinery29 earlier this month. "And what's happening in this country is indicative that we need new leadership. We need new leadership in the Democratic Party and we need new leadership in the country."

Among her issues is expanding the Medicare program to people of all ages and abolishing Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE). She recently went to Tornillo, Texas, to protest against policies that have separated parents from their children at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Ocasio-Cortez is an admitted socialist and former Bernie campaign manager. She beat the incumbent democrat that was seen as Pelosi's likely successor...a guy who's been in congress for 20 years and one of the most powerful democrats in the House.

This is the clear direction of the democrat party.

Now I know that everyone who votes democrat isn't a socialist. But what democrat voters don't seem to understand is even when they vote for a not-so-radical-leftist-democrat they're still supporting a party that has gone off the rails to the left. There is no "moderate" democrat party any longer. The democrat party is now so far left that it isn't recognizable as one of the two main political parties from just 10 years ago. This is Obama's legacy and it's going to haunt us for the remainder of our lives.

roberth
06-27-2018, 07:05
More evidence of just how far left the Democrat party has gone...not the fringe...the mainstream of the party:



Ocasio-Cortez is an admitted socialist and former Bernie campaign manager. She beat the incumbent democrat that was seen as Pelosi's likely successor...a guy who's been in congress for 20 years and one of the most powerful democrats in the House.

This is the clear direction of the democrat party.

Now I know that everyone who votes democrat isn't a socialist. But what democrat voters don't seem to understand is even when they vote for a not-so-radical-leftist-democrat they're still supporting a party that has gone off the rails to the left. There is no "moderate" democrat party any longer. The democrat party is now so far left that it isn't recognizable as one of the two main political parties from just 10 years ago. This is Obama's legacy and it's going to haunt us for the remainder of our lives.

I saw that too, a democratic socialist is just another communist. Just like in 1917 Russia, the people who sided with Lenin had NO idea what was coming.

Excellent summary bolded.

BPTactical
06-27-2018, 07:27
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hollohas
06-27-2018, 07:37
This has been building for quit some time. While I agree that more than a few Dems have spoken out against Water's little call to action, they were pretty much forced to this time. For many years they have been quietly encouraging it...or at least not discouraging it.

Look at all the times they used got a group of people the "push back" and shutdown conservative speakers? Hell, they were even able to force the cancellation of (or delay) of a Trump rally at one point IIRC. The violent Berkley (and other) riots to shutdown Milo Yuannopiulos. Ann Coulter has been getting "pushed back" on for years. Ben Shapiro. All the nameless folks who have been assaulted for wearing MAGA hats. And many, many others.

Some DHS employee just woke up to find a burned animal corpse on their doorstep last week as a threat relating to the immigration nonsense.

The Dem politicians just typically leave it up to nameless citizens to carry it out. Waters just made the mistake of openly supporting it in public instead of keeping it to herself like a good liberal politician should. This sort of mob rule, shout down and even assault dissidents is one of the left's main strategies. Has been for decades. Hell, Rules for Radicals was published in 1971, right? The left has just found a large group and new generation of supporters that are willing to go all-in, after decades of brainwashing them in public schools and University.

This ship can't be turned around IMO. Folks are nearly whipped into a frenzy by Dem politicians and the MSM. That sort of emotional reaction just doesn't calm down naturally.

fitz19d
06-27-2018, 07:38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFRHX6glTSM

Justin
06-27-2018, 08:53
Some DHS employee just woke up to find a burned animal corpse on their doorstep last week as a threat relating to the immigration nonsense.

The tipping point for me was the attempted mass shooting at the Congressional baseball practice last year.

Skip
06-27-2018, 10:16
Not yet but soon.

I think they are trying to front-run the election this fall know their wave is breaking. It's hardly going to be a blue wave if establishment Dims can't get re-elected. The Socialist is a perfect example upsetting a 10-term-turd.

We aren't Socialists, we just want to fix x.
Yes, I am running as a Socialist Democrat and Trump is a Nazi.

[LOL]

What the useful don't understand is that there is significant blowback for acting out. Look at the shitty VA restaurant or the college kids shouting at Transportation Secretary. Peter Fonda's film grossed $29K on opening and Sony is smeared for even release it. Their names are forever associated to a movement.

So they better win.

Another big USSC decision today on forced participation in labor unions. Ton of pass-through cash to DNC was just cut off. And once the .gov employees realize they don't have to pay even fewer will do so voluntarily. Why would they?

Trump is de-capitalizing and dividing them like they've done to us for generations.

wctriumph
06-27-2018, 10:37
Anyone in NOCO have a MAGA baseball cap I can have. I want to take my family out to supper and wear it, I'll have my daughter record the incident if there is one and then post it on social media.

I think that the more of us that can get these idiots to confront us will surely have a negative effect on their "plan" and the more idiotic they will start to look.

Gman
06-27-2018, 11:02
Now I know that everyone who votes democrat isn't a socialist. But what democrat voters don't seem to understand is even when they vote for a not-so-radical-leftist-democrat they're still supporting a party that has gone off the rails to the left. There is no "moderate" democrat party any longer. The democrat party is now so far left that it isn't recognizable as one of the two main political parties from just 10 years ago.

This was obvious to Democrat Senator Zell Miller who spoke out at the NRC in 2004. There used to be pro-gun conservative democrats, but they've been shoved out of the party in favor of an extreme platform that demands unity.

A "conservative Republican" today looks like a JFK Democrat.


http://youtu.be/JXSQ5BX6YXg

Bailey Guns
06-27-2018, 11:14
There hasn't been a Zell Miller in the D party since...Zell Miller. And likely won't be another like him in our lifetimes.

Frankly, I'm happy to see open and proud communists unseat establishment Democrats. It's pretty hard for the rest of the party to deny what the party has become. I just wish they'd call themselves what they really are instead of socialists. If you're a commie, be proud of it and let everyone know.

Skip
06-27-2018, 11:26
There hasn't been a Zell Miller in the D party since...Zell Miller. And likely won't be another like him in our lifetimes.

Frankly, I'm happy to see open and proud communists unseat establishment Democrats. It's pretty hard for the rest of the party to deny what the party has become. I just wish they'd call themselves what they really are instead of socialists. If you're a commie, be proud of it and let everyone know.

I read some good analysis recently, wish I had saved it, that basically said Communism really hasn't been tried. They get stuck in Socialism because they can never realize the false promises of Communism.

To me, it's the same, you just have less/more Socialism. And it has the same street-level reality as Fascism--the only difference between the two are the lies the elite tell to obtain power.

Gman
06-27-2018, 11:33
The only way Socialism/Communism work, is in the theoretical. As soon as human nature is introduced, it all falls apart.

Seems to me that voters are tired of the party establishment candidates on both sides.

Justin
06-27-2018, 11:50
I read some good analysis recently, wish I had saved it, that basically said Communism really hasn't been tried. They get stuck in Socialism because they can never realize the false promises of Communism.

To me, it's the same, you just have less/more Socialism. And it has the same street-level reality as Fascism--the only difference between the two are the lies the elite tell to obtain power.

Communism has never been tried in the same way that unicorns have never been contenders for the Triple Crown.

Skip
06-27-2018, 13:05
Communism has never been tried in the same way that unicorns have never been contenders for the Triple Crown.

THAT is a great way of putting it!!!

Zundfolge
06-27-2018, 13:48
Socialism and Communism both work perfectly 100% of the time.

They're designed to enrich and empower a handful of elites at the top at the expense of everyone else ... the idea that its good for the plebes is just good marketing.

Skip
06-27-2018, 14:23
Socialism and Communism both work perfectly 100% of the time.

They're designed to enrich and empower a handful of elites at the top at the expense of everyone else ... the idea that its good for the plebes is just good marketing.

And allows them to pick winners and losers. Their ideas work so well they can only be sustained through the calculated and systematic murder of millions, mostly bad-thinkers, but sometimes just inconvenient humans.

Is it any wonder they found the "right" to an abortion in 1974 at the same time the Hippies were shaping the culture? Weather Underground was bombing people. Just after Johnson started his War on Poverty via the institutionalization of welfare. Such a pivotal time for America and required certain people not be born.

Had the right to abortion not been discovered, America's Lib utopias (cities) would have collapsed in the mid-90s under the weight of their values, policies, and culture.

Jeffrey Lebowski
06-27-2018, 15:48
A "conservative Republican" today looks like a JFK Democrat.


I’ve thought this for well over 10 yrs. early Bush term, actually.

Jeffrey Lebowski
06-27-2018, 15:50
Of course they would. The difference is in the evidence we see every day. You don't see people from the right doing and saying the same kinds of things that come from the left. On the (far less often) occasion it does, it's quickly condemned by the right. The complete and irrational hatred of Trump is unlike anything I've ever seen. And the comparisons made by the left of Trump to Hitler or Nazi Germany? Seriously? Have these people ever read a book? It's just insane. And it's coming from educated people, many in the leftist media.

I'm with AS. Every time I think the left has reached the maximum heights of hypocrisy and hatred, someone adds another rung on the ladder. I'm almost speechless with the some of the things we're seeing today. Foremost among them is the complete and total erosion of an objective and unbiased media. The bias has been bad and clearly evident since the Reagan presidency. But they at least made some attempts at hiding it. All that changed after Bush II won, it seems. The left and the leftist media are completely unhinged from reality.

To be fair, I've heard a pretty fair number of democrats speak out against some of the recent goings on from the likes of Auntie Maxine and a few others. But I don't think the "outcry" (I know...that's a stretch) is genuine. I believe any democrat speaking out against the leftist loons is simply trying to CYA ahead of the midterms. After that, you won't hear a peep until the next election cycle.

I'm just astounded by what passes for normal leftist belief and behavior these days. They're completely off the rails. There is no far left fringe in the democrat party any longer. The fringe is now the center.

I’m not disagreeing at all with you or AS.
But the true believers, folks I know in town, not radical politicians do not see that evidence at all. They see the opposite. So I don’t see more of these Red Hen incidents changing minds.

hollohas
06-27-2018, 16:29
Thought this about summed it up. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180627/135fad62ad213de33c6db455c8458402.jpg

hollohas
06-27-2018, 19:54
And they claim Republicans are intolerant Nazis...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/32328/republicans-are-forbidden-la-plastered-nazi-style-james-barrett?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=dwbrand

Ridge
06-27-2018, 19:59
Thought this about summed it up. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180627/135fad62ad213de33c6db455c8458402.jpg

I'm not understanding the connotation here. On top we have a bunch of preppy college kids protesting war and getting shot by the government for it, and on the bottom we have a WW1-interwar era Soviet militia?

hollohas
06-27-2018, 20:14
I'm not understanding the connotation here. On top we have a bunch of preppy college kids protesting war and getting shot by the government for it, and on the bottom we have a WW1-interwar era Soviet militia?Many modern liberal activists act like they are peace love and tolerance like the kids protesting in the Vietnam era. But they don't actually want peace love and tolerance like those folks in the top picture. What the current crop of radical left activists want is to be more like the bottom picture. No more peace and flowers...many of them believe it's time for violence and force. They HATE people like us.

Joe_K
06-27-2018, 21:20
https://youtu.be/mLGtUJFmpXs

Zundfolge
06-27-2018, 21:28
And they claim Republicans are intolerant Nazis...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/32328/republicans-are-forbidden-la-plastered-nazi-style-james-barrett?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=dwbrand

What's funny is that while Sabo put those signs up to mock Democrat intolerance, I bet a sizeable percentage of them like the signs.

jslo
06-27-2018, 21:33
Laura Ingram summed it up.
"The Democrats have gone from Hope and Change to Nope and Deranged"

hollohas
06-27-2018, 21:37
What's funny is that while Sabo put those signs up to mock Democrat intolerance, I bet a sizeable percentage of them like the signs.That's my point. It's the exact behavior many dems are encouraging.

CS1983
06-27-2018, 21:57
And allows them to pick winners and losers. Their ideas work so well they can only be sustained through the calculated and systematic murder of millions, mostly bad-thinkers, but sometimes just inconvenient humans.

Is it any wonder they found the "right" to an abortion in 1974 at the same time the Hippies were shaping the culture? Weather Underground was bombing people. Just after Johnson started his War on Poverty via the institutionalization of welfare. Such a pivotal time for America and required certain people not be born.

Had the right to abortion not been discovered, America's Lib utopias (cities) would have collapsed in the mid-90s under the weight of their values, policies, and culture.

Blacks and Hispanics, mainly. Margaret Sanger was a virulent racist. The entire abortion movement is eugenics based. Of course, it cannot be cast as such today. So it's been re-framed.

I pray that those people most hit by its propaganda would wake up.

Ridge
06-27-2018, 22:35
Many modern liberal activists act like they are peace love and tolerance like the kids protesting in the Vietnam era. But they don't actually want peace love and tolerance like those folks in the top picture. What the current crop of radical left activists want is to be more like the bottom picture. No more peace and flowers...many of them believe it's time for violence and force. They HATE people like us.

Gotcha, I won't disagree with that.

Irving
06-28-2018, 00:13
Blacks and Hispanics, mainly. Margaret Sanger was a virulent racist. The entire abortion movement is eugenics based. Of course, it cannot be cast as such today. So it's been re-framed.

I pray that those people most hit by its propaganda would wake up.

Candace Owens and Turning Point USA will probably be of interest to you.


I think it's a huge mistake to lump everyone on the left in with Democrats that you think you know, and it will be too late before anyone realizes.

Jeffrey Lebowski
06-28-2018, 06:23
I think it's a huge mistake to lump everyone on the left in with Democrats that you think you know, and it will be too late before anyone realizes.

Maybe so, Irving, and while I agree that many democrats actually think their ideas are designed to help people, most aren’t decrying this stuff. A few high profile ones reluctantly came out against Maxine Waters, but in general, they accept it all under their “big tent.” In contrast, some nutcase (even a leftist) goes on a shooting spree and every single one of us has to defend weapons, the NRA, responsibility, etc, etc, etc.

When is the last time you saw a democrat speaking out against abortion? I saw a great article about a pro life group in the Register (I’m sure CavSct did too), and was absolutely astonished they exist. But none of the “rank and file” speak out.

Irving
06-28-2018, 07:39
My post wasn't a defense of Democrats, so much as it was a suggestion that something new is emerging and treating it as the same old issue might lead to trouble.

Jeffrey Lebowski
06-28-2018, 08:30
Gotcha.

CS1983
06-28-2018, 08:47
Yes, there are outliers and voices of dissent within milieus that in a modern sense have only one message. The message need not immediately be related or obvious to the method's end. The problem remains cultural, due to the rot that progressivism introduced.

Aloha_Shooter
06-28-2018, 09:08
And they claim Republicans are intolerant Nazis...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/32328/republicans-are-forbidden-la-plastered-nazi-style-james-barrett?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=dwbrand


What's funny is that while Sabo put those signs up to mock Democrat intolerance, I bet a sizeable percentage of them like the signs.


That's my point. It's the exact behavior many dems are encouraging.

Agreed. The irony in all of it is that while Sabo is mocking their behavior, many of them will adopt his signs or similar ones.

In another thought, it seems to me that a lot of the leftists or Democrats who MIGHT disagree with Maxine Waters, Stephanie Wilkinson, and other extremists of their ilk, the ones who disagree are about as vocal in their disagreement as Muslims who disagree with Islamic extremists. They're there and they might even be a majority of their group, you just couldn't tell from the tepid response response.

Bailey Guns
06-28-2018, 09:18
My post wasn't a defense of Democrats, so much as it was a suggestion that something new is emerging and treating it as the same old issue might lead to trouble.

You could be correct. On the other hand, it could just be that the real "democrat" has finally decided to "come out of the closet", so to speak. I don't think progressive/socialist/communist ideals have really changed. But the political climate that allows those on the left that lean that way to openly express their true desires is such that it's now OK to do so. And, naturally, they have a willing megaphone in the "mainstream" media to help broadcast the message.

Whatever it is, it has the potential to be really dangerous.

DavieD55
06-28-2018, 09:36
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRiCXdDhAMg

Skip
06-28-2018, 09:42
Blacks and Hispanics, mainly. Margaret Sanger was a virulent racist. The entire abortion movement is eugenics based. Of course, it cannot be cast as such today. So it's been re-framed.

I pray that those people most hit by its propaganda would wake up.

Yup! She also gave them an awesome tool for socio-economic engineering. Rather than murder inconvenient people who were full grown adults, with voices and bodies that required disposal, they could now murder before they were born.

That is 60M +/- of mouths that food stamps didn't need to feed. 60M bedrooms Section 8 didn't have to pay for. 60M humans with healthcare costs limited to the abortion itself.

This made it look like collectivism can work. Just like the Holodomor and every other massacre committed for the greater good. Which is why many of us have remarked that the Left celebrates abortion with bloodlust.

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The way it starts might be different, but Libs will revert to their historical methods and we'll see the associated consequences.

political power/cultural revolution > physical control of population > centralization > resource scarcity > millions of dead people (winners/losers)


Political power does not have to be a plurality, only the perception to ruin lives if the people don't go along with it. This is why we are seeing Libs attack in restaurants and at homes.

Also why Libs demand gun control in spite of it being the most democratic right we have. You'd think with so many white supremacists, Islamophobes, and homophobes they would want people armed, right?

Zundfolge
06-28-2018, 10:59
When I see the unhinged vitriol and potential of violence coming from the left, I think of the following quote from someone that leftists claim to admire:

https://pics.onsizzle.com/great-again-first-they-ignore-you-then-they-laugh-at-2522325.png

Rumline
06-28-2018, 16:40
That is 60M +/- of mouths that food stamps didn't need to feed. 60M bedrooms Section 8 didn't have to pay for. 60M humans with healthcare costs limited to the abortion itself.
When you put it that way you make Dems look like fiscal conservatives.

Bailey Guns
06-28-2018, 18:27
^^ LOL

Gman
06-28-2018, 20:10
I think a number of us are a little twisted in the same direction. [panic]

CS1983
06-28-2018, 20:25
When you put it that way you make Dems look like fiscal conservatives.

Or Moloch worshipping pagans and idolatrous Israelites.

Gehenna, a small valley in Jerusalem, was the site of infanticide sacrifices which were conducted for the purpose of good crops, success, etc. This was during the period of the kings of Judah when they turned from God for a time. In other words, fiscal success was what they sought through the pagan worship of false gods (demons) and this by sacrificing children.

After they returned to worship of God, they considered the valley to be cursed. They wouldn't build on it. It became a trash heap, the local dump.

How does one get rid of trash in an arid environment? You burn it. What loves to be in a dump with all manner of organic waste? Worms, flies, bugs of various types. Because it was always smoldering, and yet also being consumed with worms, Christ references hell as Gehenna in Mark 9, which is also referencing Isaiah 66.

So yeah, if we wish to follow the modern Moloch-worshippers, sure. And then we too can both burn and be consumed by avarice in a slow roast of analogous death, amongst the trash.

Ridge
06-28-2018, 21:57
When I see the unhinged vitriol and potential of violence coming from the left, I think of the following quote from someone that leftists claim to admire:

https://pics.onsizzle.com/great-again-first-they-ignore-you-then-they-laugh-at-2522325.png

Can't we dislike the left without having to be Trump supporters?

It's pretty lame to put his shitty hat on Gandhi.

Don't forget that just a few months ago Trump was saying fuck due process and take all the guns now, and let the courts deal with it later (which would take decades to wrap up).

Irving
06-28-2018, 22:22
That's pretty much the point I'm trying to make. A race to the bottom will just result in everyone losing.

hollohas
07-01-2018, 08:53
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5905479/Shocking-moment-flash-bang-grenade-thrown-right-wing-Patriot-Prayer-rally-Portland.html


Shocking moment flash-bang grenade is thrown into right-wing Patriot Prayer rally igniting violent clashes with Antifa in Portland

Irving
07-01-2018, 12:02
Hmm, I find it strange that extra mags were found but no gun to go with them. Someone surely could have passed them off, or dumped them somewhere, neither option sounds good though.

Squeeze
07-01-2018, 12:03
I'm at the point I feel as if America is a bi-plane, on fire, spiraling toward the ground, with 2 dragons behind it trying to turn it to ashes before it has a chance to hit the dirt.

Gman
07-01-2018, 12:08
Another display of fascist tactics from a group that says it's on a campaign to end fascism.

hollohas
07-02-2018, 16:25
Looks like Antifa should have stayed home and left the peaceful Portland rally alone. They picked a fight and lost this time.

Video in link below shows an antifa douche try to hit someone on the ground with a metal looking rod/stick/baton of some sort. Patriot Rally guy steps up, fends off two strikes from the weapon and KO's antfia tool with a single, massive right hook.

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/antifa-goon-knocked/

Irving
07-02-2018, 16:29
And then get's called a bitch by some skinny girl. He must have been like, "You saw what I just did right?" My favorite part was that it was so lights out, that he was literally dragged away.

Bailey Guns
07-02-2018, 18:53
"Turn out the lights, the party's over."

His grandkids are gonna be born with shiners from that.

Joe_K
07-02-2018, 20:45
The KO’d ANTIFA Guy is going to be a Vegetable or die, last I heard


“Don’t go slow, be careful” Jedi

Zundfolge
07-02-2018, 21:27
The KO’d ANTIFA Guy is going to be a Vegetable or die, last I heard
Got a link?

Irving
07-02-2018, 21:30
Hope that doesn't happen. Don't need to elevate emotions any more than they already are. Ideally, everyone will learn an important lesson about bringing violence, but I don't see that happening.

Bailey Guns
07-02-2018, 21:30
Fuck him. Judging just from the video that was clearly self defense with appropriate force used.

ETA: I can't find anything about anyone being injured bad enough to die. 4 people taken to hospitals...one with serious but not life-threatening injuries and the others minor. 1 officer treated for minor injuries.

roberth
07-03-2018, 05:44
I can't find anything to confirm either, so FAKE NEWS as President Trump would say.

hurley842002
07-03-2018, 05:54
I could watch that video over and over!

hollohas
07-03-2018, 06:13
The KO’d ANTIFA Guy is going to be a Vegetable or die, last I heard


“Don’t go slow, be careful” JediI saw that in a couple comments on the Twitter post but nowhere else yet.

Antifa guy made some bad choices that are costing him. I feel no different about this guy than I do about a criminal that breaks into a house and gets shot. The burglar deserves to get shot and the antfia punk deserved to get punched. The final product of each use of force is luck of the draw for the bad guy.

Gman
07-03-2018, 06:30
That Antifa crowd may become vegetables or die if they keep up with their poor decision making.

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roberth
07-03-2018, 07:15
That Antifa crowd may become vegetables or die if they keep up with their poor decision making.

No loss, they aren't humans anyway, they're communists.

Aloha_Shooter
07-03-2018, 09:33
The KO’d ANTIFA Guy is going to be a Vegetable or die, last I heard\

If he's in Antifa, he's already a walking vegetable. Well, he may not be walking now but he's still a vegetable.

Skip
07-03-2018, 10:52
I don't like the idea that anyone is getting coloring books for Christmas, but, this is what the Left wants.

I don't like the idea of a second Civil War either, but, this is what the Left also wants. Michael Moore recently said he thinks they will win and the mil will side with them. They are clearly looking for useful idiots who like to color because we know people like Moore aren't stepping off anytime soon.

CS1983
07-03-2018, 11:11
Perfect example of why I do not fist fight. If it’s worth the potential of cracking my head on the ground and dying, it’s worth the potential of a murder charge.

Aloha_Shooter
07-03-2018, 14:17
IMichael Moore recently said he thinks they will win and the mil will side with them. They are clearly looking for useful idiots who like to color because we know people like Moore aren't stepping off anytime soon.
LOL @ Michael Moore. If he really thinks that, he's dumber than I thought.

Bailey Guns
07-03-2018, 14:45
I don't know that Michael Moore is that far off. (That really hurt to say...I may need therapy now.)

In a potential civil war (which, BTW, I think is already ongoing in a low-grade, mostly non-violent way) the left already controls the vast majority of media outlets. This is a tremendous advantage as the media is sympathetic to the goals and ideals of the left and already tries to advance them at every turn. It's not likely the message from the right is going to get anything near equal time.

The left may not control the military nor may most military members be sympathetic to their various causes. But, by and large, military members follow orders. Those orders can easily be given in such a way as to make the military people think what they're doing is right. This is also why controlling the media is helpful. I can easily envision a civil-war scenario where the military unwittingly sides with the left due to the propaganda they've been fed.

They also control the education system which is extremely important for long-term indoctrination of the population to their agenda. Why do you think there's a never-ending supply of leftists? It will take decades to win back the education system to the right and it doesn't even seem like that's started yet. So this is something we definitely won't see in our lifetimes, maybe not even in our children's lifetimes.

Another civil war isn't gonna be like, "Let's go out and shoot some leftists today. We own all the guns and bullets so this'll be easy." It's being fought in schools, newsrooms and local/state level elections. And the right may not be winning enough.

Irving
07-03-2018, 15:30
Fortunately, there is a very large audience in the blogosphere that is engaged in this discussion in the long form. Not dumb bullshit click bait articles and commercial filled panels on news entertainment shows like most main stream media.

OtterbatHellcat
07-03-2018, 22:01
I don't know that Michael Moore is that far off. (That really hurt to say...I may need therapy now.)

In a potential civil war (which, BTW, I think is already ongoing in a low-grade, mostly non-violent way) the left already controls the vast majority of media outlets. This is a tremendous advantage as the media is sympathetic to the goals and ideals of the left and already tries to advance them at every turn. It's not likely the message from the right is going to get anything near equal time.

The left may not control the military nor may most military members be sympathetic to their various causes. But, by and large, military members follow orders. Those orders can easily be given in such a way as to make the military people think what they're doing is right. This is also why controlling the media is helpful. I can easily envision a civil-war scenario where the military unwittingly sides with the left due to the propaganda they've been fed.

They also control the education system which is extremely important for long-term indoctrination of the population to their agenda. Why do you think there's a never-ending supply of leftists? It will take decades to win back the education system to the right and it doesn't even seem like that's started yet. So this is something we definitely won't see in our lifetimes, maybe not even in our children's lifetimes.

Another civil war isn't gonna be like, "Let's go out and shoot some leftists today. We own all the guns and bullets so this'll be easy." It's being fought in schools, newsrooms and local/state level elections. And the right may not be winning enough.

Word.

Skip
07-04-2018, 10:32
I don't know that Michael Moore is that far off. (That really hurt to say...I may need therapy now.)

In a potential civil war (which, BTW, I think is already ongoing in a low-grade, mostly non-violent way) the left already controls the vast majority of media outlets. This is a tremendous advantage as the media is sympathetic to the goals and ideals of the left and already tries to advance them at every turn. It's not likely the message from the right is going to get anything near equal time.

The left may not control the military nor may most military members be sympathetic to their various causes. But, by and large, military members follow orders. Those orders can easily be given in such a way as to make the military people think what they're doing is right. This is also why controlling the media is helpful. I can easily envision a civil-war scenario where the military unwittingly sides with the left due to the propaganda they've been fed.

They also control the education system which is extremely important for long-term indoctrination of the population to their agenda. Why do you think there's a never-ending supply of leftists? It will take decades to win back the education system to the right and it doesn't even seem like that's started yet. So this is something we definitely won't see in our lifetimes, maybe not even in our children's lifetimes.

Another civil war isn't gonna be like, "Let's go out and shoot some leftists today. We own all the guns and bullets so this'll be easy." It's being fought in schools, newsrooms and local/state level elections. And the right may not be winning enough.

You nailed the First Act! Which was written this way because this is how they thought they could win. The First Act is almost always organization, infiltration, and subversion using non-violent means. If they started with violence, societies would reject them outright. Non-violence also gives them to ability to paint their opposition as extreme if measures are taken to stop them.

See Joe McCarthy. 100% right about everything, could have prevented the cultural revolution of the 60s/70s (sexualization, feminism, abortion, protest culture) but viewed as an anti-1A extremist. What is the view of McCarthy in the face of AntiFa on US soil and the open suppression of Free Speech by the Left? Remember 1A?!? [LOL]

The Second Act is where the violence comes in. They instigate, thus define how things progress, this is the advantage of Leftist revolution against an internal order/culture. Since counter-revolutionaries are always reactionary, they lie in wait because they lack the moral authority to be an effective deterrent (can't escalate/overwhelm). This is the powder keg and why gun control is so important to the Left.

We haven't seen this yet and there are many more variables in the calculation. Sure, the kids are broken but not all of them. Some of them are coming back to reason after trying to make Lib values work. The overt racism of the Left isn't helping their cause. If you are white it's a little hard to hear you have to "end." If you want a paycheck it's a little hard to hear you have to work for no reward. If you are a minority, it's obvious they are taking economic mobility and replacing you with immigrants. 2 + 2 <> 5.

Trump happened. USSC appointments set to shut down an activist court. Teachers unions destroyed by Janus which is going to be good for the kids.

This doesn't look like 100% America losing to me. Yeah, it's still a mixed bag but shows the Left isn't guaranteed a win, even after Obama.

Bailey Guns
07-04-2018, 12:24
See Joe McCarthy. 100% right about everything...

I thought I was the only one who thought McCarthy was a hero rather than a villain. A little rough around the edges maybe, but right about commies nonetheless.

CS1983
07-04-2018, 12:47
I have a book from the 50's called, "A Guide To Communist Jargon" by R.N. Carew Hunt (https://www.amazon.com/Guide-Communist-Jargon-Carew-Hunt/dp/B0006AV51M). It outlines, perfectly, what we see today. Nothing McCarthy said was wrong. The man was a cultural warrior who was willing to be a martyr for truth. Neat thing regarding my copy -- when I bought it, it still had a ticket between the pages for admitting one person to an anti-communist seminar.


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Skip
07-04-2018, 12:53
I thought I was the only one who thought McCarthy was a hero rather than a villain. A little rough around the edges maybe, but right about commies nonetheless.

He was vilified because he caught the Left and tried to stop them. An enemy of Free Speech and political freedom! But he had mainstream support. Even JFK supported him (good thing for the Left a Commie assassinated him).

Had America listened, no Clintons. No Bill Ayers (no Obama). Communists would have been denied the opportunity to infiltrate. Hollywood would have been purged. Journalists would have been outed for their anti-American beliefs and associations.

Now?

Leftists shut down Free Speech. They used violence to shut down Trump's Chicago event. They follow admin members to restaurants and home to harass and intimidate (violence soon to follow). They used the IRS to silence Conservative groups. All without individual or collective consequences.

Leftists have purged Hollywood of Conservatives to facilitate the cultural revolution. And the "press" openly promotes the destruction of the US. How many lies has Trump caught the propagandists spreading?

Leftists have done everything to us they cried McCarthy was doing to them.

If an American from 1950 knew this would happen in 2018, how would he feel about McCarthy?

DavieD55
07-04-2018, 13:39
I have a book from the 50's called, "A Guide To Communist Jargon" by R.N. Carew Hunt (https://www.amazon.com/Guide-Communist-Jargon-Carew-Hunt/dp/B0006AV51M). It outlines, perfectly, what we see today. Nothing McCarthy said was wrong. The man was a cultural warrior who was willing to be a martyr for truth. Neat thing regarding my copy -- when I bought it, it still had a ticket between the pages for admitting one person to an anti-communist seminar.


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That is pretty cool. A couple of other good reads are The Naked Communist authored by Cleon Skousen and The Enemies Within by Trevor Louden


https://www.amazon.com/Naked-Communist-Exposing-Communism-Restoring-ebook/dp/B00B76J804

https://www.amazon.com/ENEMIES-WITHIN-Communists-Socialists-Progressives/dp/1490575170