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.455_Hunter
07-02-2018, 22:39
What's the world coming to when thugs can't thug in the mountains?
https://www.9news.com/mobile/article/news/crime/carjacking-suspect-shot-near-devils-head-campground/73-570160655
According to the Douglas County Sheriff's Office, authorities there were notified of a carjacking that happened in El Paso County around 2 p.m. The suspect, a 29-year-old man, drove the stolen vehicle into the Pike National Forest while shooting at passing vehicles.
He ultimately stopped the vehicle and approached a camper. Deputies say that began a confrontation, and the suspect pointed a rifle at the camper, who returned fire, hitting the suspect multiple times.
OctopusHighball
07-02-2018, 22:53
Guess I need to be condition yellow all the time these days, even when out "relaxing". Good job on the camper for being alert and prepared! Waiting to hear the details on this one.
How does one restrain yourself and not kill the MFer that tried to kill you?
I hope I never face that situation, cause I dont think I could stop without his brains splattered all over.
spqrzilla
07-02-2018, 23:15
How does one restrain yourself and not kill the MFer that tried to kill you?
I hope I never face that situation, cause I dont think I could stop without his brains splattered all over.
When you put a couple of rounds into someone, that's pretty much a BIGDEAL for the ordinary citizen. He thinks that the job is done. Unfortunately in this case, modern medicine and paramedics can spoil an otherwise good job.
And frankly, the average citizen does not really need to go through the experience of actually successfully killing someone. Its not something some people do well with on their conscience.
Second carjacker in the forrest this summer. Guess E Colfax isn’t a fertile ground anymore. Reason 400 to carry in the wilderness.
Second carjacker in the forrest this summer. Guess E Colfax isn’t a fertile ground anymore. Reason 400 to carry in the wilderness.
Yea it's somewhat quiet these days, My van has only been shot once in about 3 years.
Glad to hear that was resolved expediently and efficiently. Good work to the camper, thanks for taking care of that.
hurley842002
07-02-2018, 23:56
How does one restrain yourself and not kill the MFer that tried to kill you?
I hope I never face that situation, cause I dont think I could stop without his brains splattered all over.This statement certainly seems like something a prosecutor might use against you, should you ever be in a defensive shooting.
Every time I've heard a story like this, the comment of "why didn't he just kill him?!" usually shows up in one form or another. It's easy to think about from afar, but I think people don't realize how hard it is to kill someone. I mean emotionally. I heard some similarly story recently, and in the end I'm pretty confident that the victim doesn't dwell on why he didn't kill the guy, but is probably relieved that he doesn't have to live with that on his conscience the rest of his life.
That's why I carry an AK-47 in the woods. 2 and 4 legged critters.
BPTactical
07-03-2018, 07:11
That's why I carry an AK-47 in the woods. 2 and 4 legged critters.
The 2 legged critters are a much more tangible threat than the 4 legged ones IMHO.
Zundfolge
07-03-2018, 07:17
Marijuana legalization has caused a massive influx of cartel goons into the state to tend their illegal grow operations.
Massive increases in homeless bums, drug cartel goons and blue state dem fools is the direct result of the pot industry.
Glad the camper is safe and the dbag is down. Another successful story.
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/08/dr-mccoy-and-captain-kirk-approve.gif
.455_Hunter
07-03-2018, 08:08
Gotta love how Channel 7 HAS to add the following...
It’s unclear if charges will be filed against the camper.
Are there official indications that charges might be filed against the camper, or does it make you and your anti-gun "journalism" buddies feel better to say so?
Anyway, stand by for this story to quickly fall off the front page with minimal or no updates.
That fool thought all of the state was like Denver/Boulder. Point gun > steal car > run from cops > repeat.
His play would have worked well in the shitty, not so much out in the counties. And that goes for all the homes as well.
Gotta love how Channel 7 HAS to add the following...
It’s unclear if charges will be filed against the camper.
Are there official indications that charges might be filed against the camper, or does it make you and your anti-gun "journalism" buddies feel better to say so?
Anyway, stand by for this story to quickly fall off the front page with minimal or no updates.
Of course. This is when the "story" gets read so they can't just call it justified to encourage gun ownership. DougCo has said it looks like a self-defense shooting.
They will just decline to report any updates on the legal situation unless charges are filed.
.455_Hunter
07-03-2018, 10:54
That fool thought all of the state was like Denver/Boulder..
That wouldn't play well either in the mountains west of Boulder. Not everybody here is a snowflake.
Vic Tory
07-03-2018, 11:20
Good job, camper.
You carry because ... you don't know when your day will turn into one of the worst days of your life ... and you discover yourself in a gunfight.
Glad you were able to stop the dirt bag.
I pray the camper doesn't have too much trauma about having to stop the animal.
Little Dutch
07-03-2018, 16:10
Glad to hear that was resolved expediently and efficiently. Good work to the camper, thanks for taking care of that.
You stated it better than I could have.
Overall, probably the best possible outcome. Good situational awareness and preparation by the camper.
9news is reporting that the camper engaged the dirtbag with a long gun. No word on caliber nor design.
OtterbatHellcat
07-03-2018, 21:45
To me it seems odd that through normal conversation, whether in person or online, that stating you would defend yourself with a weapon when faced with a life or death situation would be damning at some point later in life if that situation actually developed for you.
If it is, then that is a perfect example of injustice.
hurley842002
07-04-2018, 05:27
To me it seems odd that through normal conversation, whether in person or online, that stating you would defend yourself with a weapon when faced with a life or death situation would be damning at some point later in life if that situation actually developed for you.
If it is, then that is a perfect example of injustice.
Did you actually read what was said? Big difference between "kill" and "defend", not to mention the whole splattering of the brains comment.
BladesNBarrels
07-04-2018, 10:48
Gradually, we are making it so everything we have ever said, every news article we've ever seen, any comment we've ever posted, every joke we've ever shared is all archived until the day that we die. This literally makes it possible, if not likely to convict anyone of any crime in any circumstance with how our justice system works.
Appears to apply to everyone but the politicians
[Dunno]
BushMasterBoy
07-04-2018, 11:55
Unless you are in Fremont County, where your chances of having to defend yourself from an aggressor dramatically increase. Your chances of encountering an escaped convict are also higher. You also also have a greater chance that you will not have access to 911 services due to no available cell service. It is just a geo-social economic fact.
Did you actually read what was said? Big difference between "kill" and "defend", not to mention the whole splattering of the brains comment.
Kowalski did read what was said, as indicated by his statement.
Kowalski's statement was a generalization of the current legal situation, as expounded upon by foxtrot.
Update: https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/retired-officer-used-2-ar-15s-to-stop-man-accused-of-firing-at-random-people/73-572102809
Good guy usd not one but two AR’s to neutralize the dirtbag.
Why reload when you can just grab another AR?!?
Update: https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/retired-officer-used-2-ar-15s-to-stop-man-accused-of-firing-at-random-people/73-572102809
Good guy usd not one but two AR’s to neutralize the dirtbag.
Why reload when you can just grab another AR?!?
Of course the antis will dismiss this because he was a cop. Us mere mortals could surely not handle the intense power of an AR15 and should not be allowed to own them. Or something like that.
.455_Hunter
07-09-2018, 16:53
I am traumatized that this "law abiding" gun owner used multiple AR-15 assault weapons in this supposedly "defensive" example of gun violence.
Instead, he should have offered the victim some soothing tea in his camper and used "Please Don't Hurt Me" app on his phone as an example of how enlightened members of the community respond to actions of the downtrodden.
[Coffee]
KUSA – A retired officer from Alabama was the person who shot a man Douglas County deputies said was pointing a gun and firing at random people on a multi-county crime spree, according to an arrest affidavit obtained by 9NEWS.
Ok, so here is a question. If said ARs and their dangerous 30 round mags were from Alabama, wouldn't these be illegal in Colorado due to our 15 round mag law?
DenverGP
07-09-2018, 17:47
Ok, so here is a question. If said ARs and their dangerous 30 round mags were from Alabama, wouldn't these be illegal in Colorado due to our 15 round mag law?
Not if he had purchased them before our ban.
encorehunter
07-09-2018, 18:21
I didn't see any mention of 30 round mags, or any pictures of them. He may have been using a 10 or 15 round mag, which put his life in danger when he had to switch firearms.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
spqrzilla
07-09-2018, 20:29
If you believe that ....
hollohas
07-09-2018, 20:50
Update: https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/retired-officer-used-2-ar-15s-to-stop-man-accused-of-firing-at-random-people/73-572102809
Good guy usd not one but two AR’s to neutralize the dirtbag.
Why reload when you can just grab another AR?!?This is so awesome. That guy is the shit.
Former LEO exemption on mag ban?
If he is truly visiting from Bama he didnt bring any 10 round mags. Doubt they even exist there. Odds are he is dealing w 30s.
GilpinGuy
07-09-2018, 23:55
Benson had been shot in the arm and face.
Another d-bag gets a facial makeover. Nice!
Zundfolge
07-10-2018, 08:01
Not if he had purchased them before our ban.
I thought you had to both own the magazines AND have them in your possession IN Colorado before the ban to be legal?
I thought you had to both own the magazines AND have them in your possession IN Colorado before the ban to be legal?
Yeah you can't bring them in no matter how old they are. Article said he was from Bama so that means he is visiting here on vacation or something along those lines.
Question is did he use 30 rounders or did he use 15 rounders that were not enough and he had to use a second rifle to defend himself?
If he used 30 rounders, I would like to see DougCo Sheriff come out and say that they are not enforcing that law and they sent the guy on his way.
Either way, this adds to the proof of how stupid the mag law is.
I've been searching for the passed version of 13-1224 and don't see a geographical requirement.
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2013a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/7E6713B015E62E6F87257B0100813CB5?open&file=1224sjud_01.pdf
24 (2) (a) A PERSON MAY POSSESS A LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE IF
25 HE OR SHE:
26 (I) OWNS THE LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE ON THE EFFECTIVE
27 DATE OF THIS SECTION; AND
-3- 1224
(II) MAINTAINS 1 CONTINUOUS POSSESSION OF THE LARGE-CAPACITY
2 MAGAZINE.
I'd like to know too, but we can only assume the mags were believed to be in compliance or illegal and DougCo doesn't care about the mag ban. If illegal, it is was either intentionally ignored or is "professional courtesy" (which doesn't exist for retirees in the law).
If illegal and anyone else in the state cares to investigate/prosecute they are messaging they wanted the BG to continue his rampage unimpeded and re-opening the conversation about citizens being able to overwhelm with force (capacity). This would be interesting. But the solution to restoring gun rights in CO is likely legal and not democratic (Denver/Boulder) so I'm not sure what good the discussion would do.
I'm wondering if this guy had stopped the problem with a few bottle rockets to the face and arm, if the conversion would be more, or less, surrounding the legality of his methods.
Note to self:
Wasn't worth it.
DenverGP
07-10-2018, 12:56
Yeah you can't bring them in no matter how old they are.
Nope, nothing in the law requires that they were already in colorado. Only that you owned them continuously since before the ban.
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