What's the point

[emiller35]

One step further down the path. Going to be interesting how this shakes out

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-census-decision/judge-rejects-citizenship-question-for-2020-us-census-idUSKCN1P91SF




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[RblDiver]

That's when you just ignore 'em and do it anyway.

[Great-Kazoo]

If you can insist there be 148 different Genders on a form. The're fuck all reason to not include citizenship.

[Gman]

Why are we so slowly adopting anarchy? Just get it over with already.

[emiller35]

Why are we so slowly adopting anarchy? Just get it over with already.

My thoughts exactly....


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[BladesNBarrels]

And, how about that confidentiality?
Last census, I got a call because I did not complete all questions.
"How much did you make last year?"
My response, "I already reported that to the IRS"
The caller would not let it go, citing that everything was confidential.
My response, "How do you think the genealogy research is done? - Census Records!"
No Confidentiality - but, that's just my two cents!

[blaster]

[ray1970]

Any time I fill out anything that asks about my income I just pick the lowest choice available. If there aren?t choices and they want a number I usually just use $10K.

[Ridge]

I don't like it either, but the census is specifically to identify the number of residents, not the number of citizens.


Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which
may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be
determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to
Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other
Persons.

[BushMasterBoy]

Why are we so slowly adopting anarchy? Just get it over with already.

The space aliens are coming to kill us all. Read between the lines.

[clodhopper]

I don't like it either, but the census is specifically to identify the number of residents, not the number of citizens.

While I understand your assertion that since it doesn't specifically say "citizens" ….. but on the flip side, it also specifies other classified groups (Indians, slaves, etc) which could be considered the opportunity to quantify other groups, such as citizens. In fact, if you choose to follow a strict understanding of the constitutionally specified requirements, then all the other questions on the census that fall outside of those specified in the constitution need to be eliminated.

I am not a constitution literalist. But it is also not a "living document". Framer's intent is where it is at. Course, everyone understands intent differently...….

[Gman]

As pointed out above, natives and slaves were not citizens. This didn't mean that immigration, which was supposed to be controlled by the Federal government, would be an utter and complete failure.

In a past census, my great grandfather was included by the head of the household as a "Servant". In the census description it said "Works on the farm".

If they were able to identify Civil War veterans as part of a census, why the hell can't they ask if you're a citizen. If you're here illegally and are afraid to answer, you shouldn't be here. No government funds should be available as a result. This would certainly put an end to 'sanctuary cities' or states.

[Irving]

It doesn't really matter what was done in the past.

I'm not saying that I agree or disagree, just pointing out that just because something happened in the past, doesn't make it the end all/be all determiner of how things are done now.

I would agree that the Federal government doesn't need to put money toward illegals in a general sense, but as with everything in life, it's usually not a black and white issue.

[Gman]

My point is, why do we have to keep on creating more and more government "solutions" due to the same bastidges not doing their Constitutionally appointed duties?

[Irving]

My point is, why do we have to keep on creating more and more government "solutions" due to the same bastidges not doing their Constitutionally appointed duties?

I don't think I'd argue that point by itself.

[Zundfolge]

I've long been saying that we don't live in a Republic or a Democracy but instead live in a judicial oligarchy overseeing an administrative state.

[Gman]

Make everything illegal, then whomever is in power can pick and choose who is targeted due to selected enforcement. Sounds like nirvana.

[cstone]

Make everything illegal, then whomever is in power can pick and choose who is targeted due to selected enforcement. Sounds like nirvana.

Smells Like Teen Spirit. [LOL]

[Gman]

Smells Like Teen Spirit. [LOL]

[off-yourself]

Too soon?

[DavieD55]

I've long been saying that we don't live in a Republic or a Democracy but instead live in a judicial oligarchy overseeing a fifth column.


FIFY

[wctriumph]

In my opinion the census has become a marketing tool to ensure a captive population. The big things are race and income. These and other demographics are used by business interests to determine where to build profit making infrastructure and what can be charged for goods based on that set of demographics. Why do items in the Timnath Walmart cost more that the same item in the Fort collins Walmart. The same for gasoline, and other goods and services. It also helps to determine what wages will be paid to workers.

The census is used to separate people from their money and therefore make it harder for people to get a step up. Judging by the complaints by gov' workers that aren't getting paid, it seems that almost everyone is living paycheck to paycheck. The information in the census was, I am sure, used to determine what the insurance companies can charge for health insurance. Ever so slowly the free market is disappearing, never to return.

The census should only be used to make a count, not collect every detail of every person.

[Irving]

Do you imagine that without the census data that businesses would not be able to ascertain local market statistics? It sounds like you're describing traits of free markets as evidence of disappearing free markets.

[wctriumph]

What I mean is that if business knows every detail about the financial condition of a particular area, they will adjust pricing to take advantage of the income in that area. Maybe free market but I see it as a way for corporations to bleed the populace by adjusting pricing to take as much money out of a persons pocket as possible. Higher prices for consumer goods create a lack of available or discretionary cash in any given area and this limits travel and creates a captive population.

I shop at a certain place, or two, generally that are not where I live. However, in my choice of habitation for low rent, the stores in my area cater to a more affluent population base and pricing is higher for many goods. I try to do my shopping all at once and I will travel to get lower prices but most people will not for convenience sake. So I guess that in the end, people will make their own choices and therefore we have a free market. But it is a market that is being manipulated through the information collected in the census.

It is not collected for the good of the people. How do I know that? Because the politicians say it is for our own good.