Sex Ed Bill HB19-1032

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HB19-1032 passed committee last night. If you're not paying attention, you should be.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/360/tempers-flare-at-colorado-state-capitol-over-controversial-comprehensive-sex-ed-bill


Lontine said the bill is about wellness for youth, and teaching them about all forms of sexuality. An effort to push for acceptance, in hopes of pushing out shaming and bullying of LGBTQ relationships.

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State law already bans teaching abstinence-only sex education in Colorado, but Lontine said right now, Charter schools can apply for waivers not to teach comprehensive sex ed. Her bill puts an end to the loophole and adds funding for rural districts to teach it, if they chose to opt in.
"They're teaching abstinence only education which is harmful to kids. It's not an honest conversation," she said.

Bill summary and text...

https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb19-1032

https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2019A/bills/2019a_1032_01.pdf


The value of abstinence only isn't some puritanical fantasy about kids not having sex, it merely encourages them not to until they are mature enough to make that decision. This is key in the development of children.

We again see Libs working hard to take this space away from parents in an effort to introduce children to sexuality well before they are ready. If your personal values conflict with the sex ed being taught your public school student now has to weigh the sex ed curriculum with what mom/dad said. And understand you have next to no control over this in public school.

Also you'll find no age restriction on when these things can be taught in the bill or guidance on age appropriate material. We've already seen LGBTQ normalization as early as kindergarten when children have no concept of human sexuality. We are seeing gender dysphonia in elementary aged children, not brought on by an internal conflict/issue but by activist parents and teachers.

It is interesting that the first significant bill the first gay governor will sign effectively forces his lifestyle on the children of the state.

[CS1983]

Was reading through this yesterday.

Not only is it an issue w/ the inability to teach abstinence-only, but also ropes in the LGBT angle where those relationships must be taught as well.

While currently the bill only extends to public and charter schools, the East Coast model eventually extends to private schools and, somehow, even homeschoolers based on what else I've seen in researching it.

[Irving]

You can't say that kids aren't ready for sex after they've gone through puberty. It's one thing to try and teach responsibility, but it is an exercise in futility to pretend for a second that any lessons of responsibility are going to put weigh raging hormones. I'll have to read the bill later to see if there is anything bad in it. Teaching only abstinence is criminally stupid though.

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While currently the bill only extends to public and charter schools, the East Coast model eventually extends to private schools and, somehow, even homeschoolers based on what else I've seen in researching it.

Denver Archdiocese says they plan on fighting and resisting. They think it will eventually apply to all private schools.

But not the Jewish or Muslims ones, of course.



You can't say that kids aren't ready for sex after they've gone through puberty. It's one thing to try and teach responsibility, but it is an exercise in futility to pretend for a second that any lessons of responsibility are going to put weigh raging hormones. I'll have to read the bill later to see if there is anything bad in it. Teaching only abstinence is criminally stupid though.

So kids having sex at 11-13ish is a good idea? Even if a child uses this "education" to avoid STDs and pregnancy that is putting kids on a course to fail when they have yet to establish themselves as humans. I knew kids (boys) in high school who had their whole lives altered. Thank God I wasn't that stupid!

"Raging hormones" aren't even an excuse to look at a female the wrong way in 2019. Funny how kids are supposed to navigate this complexity of having sex as children but not saying the wrong thing to a female (MeToo).

If this fits with your values, fine, but you (and Libs) have no right to force that on everyone just as I would have no right to force my values on your kids.

[BPTactical]

This state is so very fucked with this administration.

[gta_spec]

Thanks for posting this. My wife went down to provide her testimony against this bill, as it is much more nefarious than they are admitting. 300+ people showed up to testify against the bill, plus thousands of emails.

Only 40 or 50 showed up to testify in favor.

The bill passed on party lines, as the liberals never listened to the people.

[hollohas]

You can't say that kids aren't ready for sex after they've gone through puberty. It's one thing to try and teach responsibility, but it is an exercise in futility to pretend for a second that any lessons of responsibility are going to put weigh raging hormones. I'll have to read the bill later to see if there is anything bad in it. Teaching only abstinence is criminally stupid though.Irving, they're going to "teach" (indoctrinate) them in early elementary school. This isn't just about puberty aged kids.

Do you think it's ok to teach this to 8 and 9 year olds???

PS - do you think it's the school's (government) job to teach kids sex Ed at all???

Students can't recite the Bill of Rights, create a budget, cook or change a tire, but they'll learn all about transexual relationships. Nice. American public schools...preparing kids for nothing for decades. Now coming to a private and charter school near you.

[Skip]

Thanks for posting this. My wife went down to provide her testimony against this bill, as it is much more nefarious than they are admitting. 300+ people showed up to testify against the bill, plus thousands of emails.

Only 40 or 50 showed up to testify in favor.

The bill passed on party lines, as the liberals never listened to the people.

Please thank your wife from my family for going!!!

[Irving]

I haven't read any responses yet, but thought I should ratchet back my suggestion that abstinence only sex Ed is criminally dumb. People generally try to do what is best for their kids and I can't begrudge anyone that. I disagree with it, at least on its face, but it isn't criminal. There are much worse things to have in school, like equality of outcome and other socialist trash.

[kidicarus13]

300+ people showed up to testify against the bill, plus thousands of emails.

Only 40 or 50 showed up to testify in favor.

The bill passed on party lines, as the liberals never listened to the people.

Seems like I heard this before somewhere.

[Irving]

Irving, they're going to "teach" (indoctrinate) them in early elementary school. This isn't just about puberty aged kids.

Do you think it's ok to teach this to 8 and 9 year olds???

PS - do you think it's the school's (government) job to teach kids sex Ed at all???

Students can't recite the Bill of Rights, create a budget, cook or change a tire, but they'll learn all about transexual relationships. Nice. American public schools...preparing kids for nothing for decades. Now coming to a private and charter school near you.

Yes and yes. How do you not put sex ed in the same category of life skills as creating a budget, cooking, or changing a tire? It's the same thing and if any kids can't do those things the fault lies more on parents than it does schools. What was your public school experience? I bet 98% of the members here went to public schools, yet some how they were able to arrive at their social beliefs that fall in line with the board.

That said, I read the summary of the bill and it is a stupid bill and should not exist. FAR too much emphasis is being placed on potentially stereotyped "classes" of people. It'd be stupid to not teach that homosexual relationships exist, but the population is so small that not much more than a mention should be necessary. If there are homosexual kids in class that have specific questions, then maybe they can talk to a counselor or something. General sex education is what is important, especially at young ages. I doubt that k-12 schools have much of a capacity to teach about managing relationships, but that might be beyond what should be a necessary class anyway. Just like with other subjects, extracurricular questions can be investigated on the students own time, or if younger they can ask their parents. Parents should be taking the primary role in education and finessing or outright correcting the subjects their kids learn at school that they don't agree with. Aren't you all doing that with your kids?

As far as not knowing how to change a tire, balance a budget, or cook. Every high school I'm aware of has cooking classes. Tire changing can be learned in a 3 minute YouTube video and doesn't itself justify a class. Auto shop would be an extra class just like cooking. I agree that things like balancing a budget are important. Recently we were looking at the next school for our kids to go to and I was asking the teacher about such real world finance classes. She said they have a class for kids who are old enough to have jobs where they teach them to do their taxes. That wasn't at my high school and it should have been.

[gta_spec]

I was just informed that there were 95,000 emails against this bill.

[gta_spec]

Irving, remember that this is not about honest sex ed instruction. These liberals are advancing the nanny state as we progress to socialism and finally communism. Their goal is to break the family structure and our country's foundation through every means possible. In this case it's by attacking our children in ways that we cant defend. They also get to spend your tax money with their cohorts during that process.

If a private citizen were to try to teach a child this CSE, they would be arrested as a pedofile.

[Great-Kazoo]

I was just informed that there were 95,000 emails against this bill.

And all 95K will be ignored in the media for the 1/2 doz that will paint a sob story picture how difficult it was to cope in public school. Had it not been for understanding teachers and programs like this.

[DavieD55]

gta_spec nails it with post #13.

[gta_spec]

Correct Kazoo, in fact the media is still providing misinformation about the bill. Shocker.

[Irving]

Irving, remember that this is not about honest sex ed instruction. These liberals are advancing the nanny state as we progress to socialism and finally communism. Their goal is to break the family structure and our country's foundation through every means possible. In this case it's by attacking our children in ways that we cant defend. They also get to spend your tax money with their cohorts during that process.

If a private citizen were to try to teach a child this CSE, they would be arrested as a pedofile.

I don't think it can't be defended against, and I don't think a person teaching the same thing would be arrested as a pedophile, but I agree with the rest.

[Great-Kazoo]

I don't think it can't be defended against, and I don't think a person teaching the same thing would be arrested as a pedophile, but I agree with the rest.

I wouldn't want to bet on it. Your kid goes to school and tells her friends and or teacher. Mommy & daddy showed me pictures of a vagina and penis.

STOP THE PRESSES............

Cause i guarantee it. That's all the teacher will hear. Never mind the rest of her sentence was how babies are made. Oh no. Child services and the local LE will be on you quicker than you can say Attorney.

[gta_spec]

Yes, all part of their plan. The state can do things that you as parents cannot. This generation might fight it, but the next will probably accept it.

[DavieD55]

Eventually they will eleminate parental rights all together and through coercion they will make the decisions for you and your kids. This is the state taking over the family unit one incremental nip at a time. As time goes on the agenda will become more obvious and apparent to those who are aware and it will continue to become more outrageous, perverted, and tyrannical as time goes on.

[Irving]

Kazoo, I think you're out of touch. Kids are allowed to parade around as the opposite sex in school (ask me how I know). We're pretty involved with the school and the teacher and I have zero fears that any of that would happen.

[Skip]

Eventually they will eleminate parental rights all together and through coercion they will make the decisions for you and your kids. This is the state taking over the family unit one incremental nip at a time. As time goes on the agenda will become more obvious and apparent to those who are aware and it will continue to become more outrageous, perverted, and tyrannical as time goes on.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAAMGatMHss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAAMGatMHss


If, after making it clear they are coming for our kids, we sit back and do nothing then we deserve all of it.

[Great-Kazoo]

Kazoo, I think you're out of touch. Kids are allowed to parade around as the opposite sex in school (ask me how I know). We're pretty involved with the school and the teacher and I have zero fears that any of that would happen.

Out of touch or not. It takes 1 teacher with an agenda and you're history. Having been through one such teachers agenda, thankfully we were able to quash that shit out of the gate.

[Irving]

I know it's a big dear, but I think it's far more fear than reality; or else you wouldn't have been able to squash it.

[gta_spec]

Kazoo is on point. Between the union teacher, the activist social worker, the city cop hopeing to one day be named commissioner, the progressive legislator, and the Hickenlooper nominated judge, the picture here is pretty bleak for blind justice. They can paint anyone who disagrees with the collective agenda as a criminal.

[Great-Kazoo]

I know it's a big dear, but I think it's far more fear than reality; or else you wouldn't have been able to squash it.

Actually it was numerous LE personnel we know / knew who stepped up to vouch for us. Had we not had support within the LE who knows. We spoke with 2 attorneys and they said, straight up. If there's any inkling of an issue it would cost an average of $20K to fight any accusations in court. Then there's CPS who, like DMV operates under their own agenda.

So no it wasn't a cut and dry issue. Imagine those who don't have "friends with pull" that can step up, or the money to afford an attorney. As i said before get 1 with an agenda and all bets are off.
IIRC your daughter is in elementary school. As she gets older, what changes in the education system will be the one[s] to get your attention ?
All just hypothetical, for now.

[Irving]

Fortunately we know both local police AND local CPS. I can easily think of a situation that is different than mine where someone could run into trouble. On the other hand, when the trans-since-second-grade little boy constantly picks on the girls and the school just shrugs, out makes it difficult to believe how easy it is to get someone in trouble. That's not really a situation that "fits the narrative" though and I can only imagine how terrified the school is to even attempt to approach that shit show.

[hollohas]

Yes and yes. How do you not put sex ed in the same category of life skills as creating a budget, cooking, or changing a tire?

Because, schools only have so many hours each year to teach kids. I don't think they should be wasting any of those hours teaching kids about LGBT nonsense when they can't even teach the three R's or history effectively.

And yes, if a kid can't change a tire, that's on the parents. But the same holds true for sex ed. Parents just find the birds and the bees talks embarrassing so they're happy to let the schools handle it, when if ANYthing is a family discussion, it's that.

My public school experience was only a couple decades ago but we still had wood shop. PE every day. Metal shop. Home ec. Etc. We had entire semesters on American history every year, not just a day or two like they do now. We had to memorize the preamble and Amendments. We said the Pledge. Most schools don't have much of that at all anymore. And we had no sex ed that I can remember in high school. We had what they called sex ed in middle school but it was focused on puberty and personal hygiene mostly from what I recall.

It's a strange thing, but if you raise kids to be respectful, responsible and mature human beings, that respectfulness extends into personal relationships and social interactions, even without government sponsored sexual "education".

[Irving]

I'm not sure where you're getting only a day or two a year of American history; I'll have to ask around because now I'm curious.

I think I graduated in 2001. I took home ec in middle School and wood shop in high school. I think there was metal shop, but I didn't take it. I wanted to take Auto shop, but that was the year they turned the auto shop into the computer lab. We probably weren't the only computer lab with a 1/2 ton hoist. I turned out to be bad at programming. Sex Ed was in fifth, seventh, and ninth grade. I feel like there was an entire year of American history and an entire year of world history. This is a fun exercise because I'm finding out that I don't remember much of high school (and even less of college). I actually have to take a minute to figure out when I graduated college because I cared so little that I didn't walk.

My kid is in elementary school and the pledge of allegiance is said every day over the loud speaker with different kids reading it every day.

[Irving]

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It's a strange thing, but if you raise kids to be respectful, responsible and mature human beings, that respectfulness extends into personal relationships and social interactions, even without government sponsored sexual "education".

I'm not sure I buy that at all, but to your point, sex ed certainly didn't help either.

[DireWolf]

If, after making it clear they are coming for our kids, we sit back and do nothing then we deserve all of it.

I personally feel that this issue has an explosive potential far greater than just about anything else we've seen yet.

While every other infringement we've seen recently smacks of a highly calculated move where, as has been discussed many times, most people are too comfortable and focused on daily life to drop all that and jump off the deep end - and the treasonous sons of bitches know this and are betting on the incremental long-game.

This one however reeks of an arrogance-driven move by piece-of-shit deviants who have recently come into office and feel a need to make an immediate impact - and for whom - like many of their ilk - can't just live their life and coexist in peace (NOT TO MENTION HONORING THE OATHS THEY TOOK), as literally their entire sense of identity is built around their disorder(s) and forcing the acceptance amd corruption of everyone around them in an attempt to counter a deep-seated (and likely subconscious) self-loathing/self-hatred.



Between the union teacher, the activist social worker, the city cop hopeing to one day be named commissioner, the progressive legislator, and the Hickenlooper nominated judge, the picture here is pretty bleak for blind justice. They can paint anyone who disagrees with the collective agenda as a criminal.


What they have failed to take into account is that when it comes to threats involving peoples kids, rational thought tends to go out the window, current-comfort concerns and long-term thinking go out the window, cause/effect and morality considerations go out the window, and reactions become highly visceral...

Forget for just a second that this action demonstrates the exact opposite of "representation" (and is a perfect example of overt tyranny), and imagine the potential here of an emotionally driven flash-mob of even 20k people (based on just 1/5 of the blatantly ignored authors expressing vehement opposition; could easily be many times larger), swarming the capitol and local news stations with the intent to burn them to the fucking ground after stringing up every single person involved in this. DPD/CSP would be powerless to stop it (good luck arresting 20k+ agressors), NG would have to come in, and by that time it's done and we're "hot" with CW2.

In fact, short of overt door-to-door firearms confiscation efforts or some disaster-level event, I cannot think of any scenario or potential conditions more likely than this to push things over the edge at-scale. All it might take is a single incident which goes viral on social media driven by one or more enraged parents.

I pray that doesn't happen and the situation can be remedied within our current legal/civil structure, and this post is not in any way an endorsement for any part of the hypothetical scenario just described; however, from a purely analytical perspective, I fear that we may be witnessing an indescribably arrogant and ill-conceived move which history may reflect as the most directly relevant precursor to a significant Black Swan event (assuming that perspective isn't lost in the aftermath). I sincerely hope to be proven wrong on this...

[Irving]

I think our current path of swirling the bowl won't last forever, but we're not really near the end and have a ways to go. There are positive things happening in society, but events will have to come to a head before we start to turn the corner. As DireWolf suggested, there will have to be an unfortunate few, very public cases that will help turn the tide. Hopefully the pendulum doesn't swing back too far, and hopefully many of us will be young enough to appreciate it when it happens.

[avandelay]

I personally feel that this issue has an explosive potential far greater than just about anything else we've seen yet.

While every other infringement we've seen recently smacks of a highly calculated move where, as has been discussed many times, most people are too comfortable and focused on daily life to drop all that and jump off the deep end - and the treasonous sons of bitches know this and are betting on the incremental long-game.

This one however reeks of an arrogance-driven move by piece-of-shit deviants who have recently come into office and feel a need to make an immediate impact - and for whom - like many of their ilk - can't just live their life and coexist in peace (NOT TO MENTION HONORING THE OATHS THEY TOOK), as literally their entire sense of identity is built around their disorder(s) and forcing the acceptance amd corruption of everyone around them in an attempt to counter a deep-seated (and likely subconscious) self-loathing/self-hatred.





What they have failed to take into account is that when it comes to threats involving peoples kids, rational thought tends to go out the window, current-comfort concerns and long-term thinking go out the window, cause/effect and morality considerations go out the window, and reactions become highly visceral...

Forget for just a second that this action demonstrates the exact opposite of "representation" (and is a perfect example of overt tyranny), and imagine the potential here of an emotionally driven flash-mob of even 20k people (based on just 1/5 of the blatantly ignored authors expressing vehement opposition; could easily be many times larger), swarming the capitol and local news stations with the intent to burn them to the fucking ground after stringing up every single person involved in this. DPD/CSP would be powerless to stop it (good luck arresting 20k+ agressors), NG would have to come in, and by that time it's done and we're "hot" with CW2.

In fact, short of overt door-to-door firearms confiscation efforts or some disaster-level event, I cannot think of any scenario or potential conditions more likely than this to push things over the edge at-scale. All it might take is a single incident which goes viral on social media driven by one or more enraged parents.

I pray that doesn't happen and the situation can be remedied within our current legal/civil structure, and this post is not in any way an endorsement for any part of the hypothetical scenario just described; however, from a purely analytical perspective, I fear that we may be witnessing an indescribably arrogant and ill-conceived move which history may reflect as the most directly relevant precursor to a significant Black Swan event (assuming that perspective isn't lost in the aftermath). I sincerely hope to be proven wrong on this...

Take a gander at SB 19 042. They're trying to give our electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote. It has passed the senate and on its way to the house.

[D_F]

I'd encourage folks to read the bill and not just the summery, it almost doesn't seem like it's the same bill. Maybe that's just my public education speaking though...

[hollohas]

One has to look no further than the fact that this bill targets charter schools to understand that this is not about education at all but instead about control and the limitation of parental choice.

The powers that be hate the fact that some parents choose to send their kids to a place that doesn't follow THEIR educational ideals.

Parents send kids to charter schools specifically to get away from the standard public school, government control'd curriculum as much as possible. This bill tells those parents (me) that my choice doesn't count and they instead get to decide what my kids are taught even though I hand picked the school they go to in order to avoid that.

Well, guess what, I'm not going to let the government decided for me. My elementary school kids won't be going to any sex ed classes that the government decides is best for them. They'll either opt out or miss school those days.

[gta_spec]

Well, guess what, I'm not going to let the government decided for me. My elementary school kids won't be going to any sex ed classes that the government decides is best for them. They'll either opt out or miss school those days.

Unfortunately, they wont tell you where and when. The indoctrination will be small seeds spread often. They wont ask permission. You wont be able to opt out every day.

[hollohas]

I'm not sure where you're getting only a day or two a year of American history; I'll have to ask around because now I'm curious.



A bit off topic, but since you wanted to look into it more...

My reference is based on what I am currently involved in...elementary school.

I'm not sure what district you're in, but Jeffco lists their curriculum here. https://www.jeffcopublicschools.org/academics/curriculum/curriculum_by_grade

They don't get more than a mention of American History until near then end of Elementary School. Early American history starts in 5th grade and is most of the year. They don't touch much on American History again until 8th grade. And then in high school it's mostly about changing America with units such as "Imperialism and the Progressive era: Challenging and transforming our American Values".

I am very actively involved in my kids education. More than most. During meetings at our school (yes, many more than the obligatory parent/teacher conference) our teachers and school administrators are always amazed at how much time we spend educating our kids at home. (Another nice thing about charter schools, it's a joint effort between the school and parents.)

We hand-picked the school they go to. I've chosen to send my children (three of them) to a charter school that has a curriculum that I like better than the normal JeffCo standard. (They were in a private school that had even more independence, but sending 3 kids there is too much $$$ for our budget so the charter school was the next best bet.) I do not rely on the education system to raise them, that's my job. Their learning only starts at school. It's supposed to be a foundation only. We learn about American History at home. We do bible study at home. We do math at home even when there is no homework. We read. We learn about life. How to cook. How to fix cars. How to be good people. It's because I believe school should only be a foundation that's built upon at home that I am so against the public education system wanting to take more control over sex ed.

I choose to send my kids to a our school to avoid this nonsense and now that personal choice is being infringed upon like everything else. It's getting old.

[Irving]

Isn't that all just normal parenting? I mean obviously not everyone does that.

[Skip]

I personally feel that this issue has an explosive potential far greater than just about anything else we've seen yet.

[snip]

In fact, short of overt door-to-door firearms confiscation efforts or some disaster-level event, I cannot think of any scenario or potential conditions more likely than this to push things over the edge at-scale. All it might take is a single incident which goes viral on social media driven by one or more enraged parents.

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I keep waiting for people to see things that way but every Monday Americans go to work, pay their taxes/feed the beast, and obey.

Between this, the proposal for 75-90% tax rates, and post birth abortion the mask has slipped off the Left. AND THAT'S JUST THIS WEEK! Yet the avg Joe seems more concerned with the BigGame than what they are doing to his kids.

Really, they might as well just take the guns. If Americans are handing over our kids for programming there is nothing more of value that can be taken and our willingness to concede the fight means we don't need guns. Same thing on crime... Keep a gun to protect your home but give up your kids? Makes no sense.

Apparently, gun ownership is just a hobby.



One has to look no further than the fact that this bill targets charter schools to understand that this is not about education at all but instead about control and the limitation of parental choice.

The powers that be hate the fact that some parents choose to send their kids to a place that doesn't follow THEIR educational ideals.

[snip]

Boom. There will be no "out."

The legal opinion I read (not able to share) said there will be wide sweeping impacts to include private schools. I was trying to piece that together with the text of the bill and couldn't. I didn't see mention of "private" in the bill. But IANAL.

There is concern this will mean private religious Christian schools will be the position to teach all forms of sexual deviancy or nothing at all. For some Christian schools that might be fine, but others are firm on teaching in accordance with doctrine (which is the whole point).

Since freedom of/from association is nullified when someone does buttstuff, I would expect the courts to find (or refuse to take the case) that freedom of religion also comes second to buttstuff.

And for those who aren't particularly religious, by extension, that will mean the thoughts in your head and the ability to speak an opinion in a secular context as well.

[hollohas]

Isn't that all just normal parenting? I mean obviously not everyone does that.Yes.

[Irving]

It must take a special person to shoe horn two weeks of transgender studies into a chemistry class. Especially back then.