Colorado?s Magazine Ban Is The Latest Gun Control Failure

[GeorgeandSugar]

Cautiously optimistic the magazine ban just might be overturned, but not holding my breath.

?Six years ago, after the Aurora theater massacre, Colorado governor John Hickenlooper signed several pieces of gun control legislation into law. Universal background checks and a ban on magazines over 15 rounds were touted at the time as game changers for public safety in the state, but it hasn?t worked out that way. Violent crime?s actually gone up 25% in Colorado since the bills took effect in 2013.?

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[kidicarus13]

Already discussed in the thread titled Magazine Limit Court Challenge

[BPTactical]

Dont you dare bring facts and logic to a Liberal talking point.

[Zundfolge]

Its hardly a failure. Its doing exactly what it was designed to do; vex law abiding gun owners.

I have had to pass up several real good deals on full capacity magazines because they won't ship to CO ... and the UBC law has prevented me from buying several guns I would otherwise have bought off Armslist or here in the classifieds because I'm not going to drive all the way to Denver to sit through (and pay for) a BGC that could hit a technical snafu and I'll have to drive back again a few days later to complete the deal (or just forget it and chalk up the wasted time, gas and transfer fee).

Its also got me looking at work and real estate outside of Colorado so ultimately the gun control laws will probably reduce the voter rolls here by 2 more Republicans thus helping to blue the state further.

Nobody actually believes that the gun control laws where about reducing gun deaths.

[FoxtArt]

Hate to break it to you, but if there was a Vegas gambling pool on this being overturned, I'd bet the house, the farm, the dog, down to my shirt on my back. That it will not be so much as modified.

RMGO brilliantly appealed it to the Colorado Supreme Court. Do yourself a favor, and see whom appointed all the judges in the Colorado Supreme Court.

Optimism... all the water will done run outta that glass son when you do that!

[Irving]

Its hardly a failure. Its doing exactly what it was designed to do; vex law abiding gun owners.

I have had to pass up several real good deals on full capacity magazines because they won't ship to CO ... and the UBC law has prevented me from buying several guns I would otherwise have bought off Armslist or here in the classifieds because I'm not going to drive all the way to Denver to sit through (and pay for) a BGC that could hit a technical snafu and I'll have to drive back again a few days later to complete the deal (or just forget it and chalk up the wasted time, gas and transfer fee).

Its also got me looking at work and real estate outside of Colorado so ultimately the gun control laws will probably reduce the voter rolls here by 2 more Republicans thus helping to blue the state further.

Nobody actually believes that the gun control laws where about reducing gun deaths.

I agree that the mag laws are garbage, but they're only working because you're letting them. When I read this ^^ it tells me (and them) that you don't really want/need those guns anyway.

[Zundfolge]

I agree that the mag laws are garbage, but they're only working because you're letting them. When I read this ^^ it tells me (and them) that you don't really want/need those guns anyway.

So you're suggesting that I post about how much I've broken the magazine and BGC laws here in this forum? (which is never if you must know ...yeah, never).

[Irving]

No, I'm just saying if having to complete a background check makes a difference, then it doesn't seem like you really wanted it.

Granted, I drive all over the state all the time so the drive to Denver doesn't mean as much to me as others, but I can see not wanting to spend hours on I-25 just for a couple hundred dollar pistol.

[izzy]

I pass over items that I want all the time because of the drive. Nothing to do with the laws, I just don't like making the haul. You're logic is correct in my case, I don't really want it that bad in most cases.

[Zundfolge]

No, I'm just saying if having to complete a background check makes a difference, then it doesn't seem like you really wanted it.

Its not the BGC itself that's the problem. Its the extra $30 tax (which on something like an AR lower can be basically a 100% tax) and the fact that if I drive all the way up to Denver and the BGC has a hickup of some sort then I'm driving back home empty handed and have to make another trip all the way to Denver and back to pick up the item ... its a tremendous hassle and expense considering I've met many of the fine people on this very forum in various parking lots around the Denver Metro Area and swapped fiat bills for guns many times before the law went into effect.

The point is that the universal BGC law adds yet another layer of expense and hassle and thus reduces the number of good deals worth buying. Which is what its meant to do. Its nothing more than a vexation of the law abiding citizen just for the sake of spite.

[TRnCO]

Its nothing more than a vexation of the law abiding citizen just for the sake of spite. Exactly!!!!!!!

[GilpinGuy]

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[Martinjmpr]

If this law has actually prevented even one person in the entire state who wants one from obtaining a high capacity magazine I'll eat my hat.

In many ways it's the perfect law: Anti-gunners get to claim "victory" and anybody who actually wants a high capacity mag can easily get one in a variety of ways (and no I won't go into them here, per site rules.)

Since no person has actually been more than mildly inconvenienced by the law, it's unlikely that any "movement" to repeal it will be successful.

[fright88]

Maybe not completely prevented but it has stopped me from taking advantage of some awesome deals. One example is PSA's PMAG sales. I't has also stopped me from picking up a few different handguns when they've gone on sale.

[O2HeN2]

Maybe not completely prevented but it has stopped me from taking advantage of some awesome deals. One example is PSA's PMAG sales. I't has also stopped me from picking up a few different handguns when they've gone on sale.

Ditto.

O2

[Aloha_Shooter]

If this law has actually prevented even one person in the entire state who wants one from obtaining a high capacity magazine I'll eat my hat.

I guess it depends on what you mean by prevented. I have to pass background checks regularly so when I bought a Tavor and was offered the original magazine as a "repair kit" (although fully intact), I passed even though I wanted it. The law kept me from getting that magazine albeit due to my own conscience rather than any active prevention by law enforcement.

[theGinsue]

I keep looking at the title of this thread and thinking: Given their stated goals, this law was a failure as soon as it was introduced in the Legislature.

[Gman]

Ditto.

O2

Double ditto.

[Squeeze]

I keep looking at the title of this thread and thinking: Given their stated goals, this law was a failure as soon as it was introduced in the Legislature.

^^^ 100% THIS

[Martinjmpr]

I guess it depends on what you mean by prevented. I have to pass background checks regularly so when I bought a Tavor and was offered the original magazine as a "repair kit" (although fully intact), I passed even though I wanted it. The law kept me from getting that magazine albeit due to my own conscience rather than any active prevention by law enforcement.

But other than your own conscience (and perhaps common sense) there's nothing that actually prevents you from obtaining a 16+ round mag. Contrast this with the AWB period from 1994 - 2004 when the only way to obtain a high capacity mag is if you can find one that was manufactured pre-ban. You couldn't buy a new one even if you wanted to (unless you were LE.)


I keep looking at the title of this thread and thinking: Given their stated goals, this law was a failure as soon as it was introduced in the Legislature.

Because as is so often the case in politics, the "stated" goal wasn't the actual goal. The actual goal was to win points with their base by showing that they were "DOING SOMETHING!" about evil gunz.

And if they could do it without pissing off the majority of non-political gun owners, so much the better. That way they win the credit but don't have to actually face the consequences of an unpopular law.

[Will1776]

I guess it depends on what you mean by prevented. I have to pass background checks regularly so when I bought a Tavor and was offered the original magazine as a "repair kit" (although fully intact), I passed even though I wanted it. The law kept me from getting that magazine albeit due to my own conscience rather than any active prevention by law enforcement.

The more you (and others) comply, the more legitimate the law becomes.

[battle_sight_zero]

I dislike the mag law and transfer laws. However quite frankly getting so called mag rebuild kits has not been a problem at all. I just have shifted my purchases to the FFLs who fulfill my purchases as such. As for trading and transferring something I owned the days of pre 2013 are dead and gone and not worth the hassle. The thread Iposted about the cameras in Littleton really honed that point to me. As for the future I will be in another state in the near future that does not condone this infringement. As for trading now I just do so with those same FFLs. Sure I get dinged a bit but not enough to lose sleep over it. I will say this I am just more careful to buy something I will likely keep. I don't believe the idiots got a complete victory at alll. I am sure the idiots will try to figure out ways to impede us in the future but quite frankly that is why 2019 2020 is my last year here. My concious is clear and my money in the future will fill another state's coffers. Smart money on the future is that this States economy will tank beyond 2020 because of the other nonsense beyond gun control they are doing. The Trump economy is benefiting the State right now. Not taking any chances on the 2020 election and taking my equity and retirement elsewhere before its destroyed is the best measure. Their plans are unsustainable. Mag laws and transfers will be the least of concerns.

[Irving]

The more you (and others) comply, the more legitimate the law becomes.

This times 100. I feel like not doing something because it is marginally more inconvenient is the lowest form of giving up on something. Like cooking in the dark because the light bulb in your kitchen went out.

[CS1983]

An unjust law is no law at all.

[Irving]

That's how I feel about the law of centrifugal force.

[rondog]

Its not the BGC itself that's the problem. Its the extra $30 tax (which on something like an AR lower can be basically a 100% tax) and the fact that if I drive all the way up to Denver and the BGC has a hickup of some sort then I'm driving back home empty handed and have to make another trip all the way to Denver and back to pick up the item ... its a tremendous hassle and expense considering I've met many of the fine people on this very forum in various parking lots around the Denver Metro Area and swapped fiat bills for guns many times before the law went into effect.

The point is that the universal BGC law adds yet another layer of expense and hassle and thus reduces the number of good deals worth buying. Which is what its meant to do. Its nothing more than a vexation of the law abiding citizen just for the sake of spite.

I'm confused (not hard to do), why do you have to drive to Denver for a BGC, or to buy a gun online?

[Skip]

I hesitate to give much thought about the impacts to me.

I guess it's locked me out of a platform as more MP5 clones are coming out and becoming cheaper. Would love to have a 9MM carbine or "pistol" but it doesn't make sense without standard cap mags. The Sig MPX came out after the ban so any mags there are obviously post-ban.

Would like to have one of the M17 special editions but same problem there. The mags are part of the package and just not worth it for something that would mostly sit in the safe.

I'm stacked to the gills in AR mags but now have to store them in the safe. Stupid use of space. If I need any rebuild kits I'm fine with buying them.

I've purchased many firearms since the BGC law but all but one were out of state. So I guess I can complain about one mandatory BGC. I've bought a lot of milsup/C&R stuff and shot very little of it. That's a phase I wasn't planning on until later in life. :)

[Irving]

Why do you have to keep your mags in a safe?

[BREATHER]

If all my HC mags were purchased before this ban, I cannot sell them now with my AR. The mag that came with the rifle was HC.

[FoxtArt]

I've purchased many firearms since the BGC law but all but one were out of state. So I guess I can complain about one mandatory BGC. I've bought a lot of milsup/C&R stuff and shot very little of it. That's a phase I wasn't planning on until later in life. :)

FTR (and I don't care) direct private party transfers even in states that permit them can only be between residents of that same state only [both buyer-seller] under federal law. Not saying that's what you're implying, just giving you a heads up in case you think your "out" you'd fall back on really isn't. You can purchase long guns from dealers out of your state and do BGC there, but that's it.

ETA: But I have heard you could've bought all them older things via private party transactions within the State of Colorado prior to 2013.

[kidicarus13]

Why do you have to keep your mags in a safe?Can't afford to have them stolen because they can't be replaced while living in CO.