Capital stormed etc

[fitz19d]

No thread already? Been getting spicy. They have pelosis office computer.

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1346905425543917573/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwte rm%5E1346905425543917573%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1346907408774410245

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1346901420147167232

[00tec]

The Pentagon refused to send the National Guard to assist too...

[MrPrena]

Now, If people seize White House, major media and network companies to block the communication, it is full out revolution. (Coup d tat if military is involved).

[panic]

[WETWRKS]

There was a time that tar and feathers would be applied for what the politicians have done

[Eric P]

Yep. watching the downfall of America live on tv...

[RblDiver]

Well, the left proved over the summer that riots work, so...

[hollohas]

Didn't have much trouble breaching the Capitol.

Portland antfi has been trying to get into the federal building there all year and couldn't come close.

The Federal Capitol was breached in like 30mins.

The DOD refusing to send the Gaurd is certainly strange...

[MrPrena]

There is a sizable Trump/Pence 2020 flag rally near 120th and I25 inside the 120th RTD park-n-ride.

Take the unpaid/paid day off and show your support!

[Sarcasm2]


Instead of crying about 2020, I would allocate that time and energy on mid term to take congress and senate back.

[FoxtArt]

In other mildly related news my purchase of Smith and Wesson stock a few days ago has already paid off. I'm already approaching my 2020 gains already in the first week of the year [Coffee] I only expected future economic uncertainty and Biden panic which is a boon for firearms, wasn't expecting this result.

[BushMasterBoy]

The president should plead for the protestors to leave the US capitol. He could be held under civil charges for damages.
His term of office ends January 20, 2021.

[WETWRKS]

The president should plead for the protestors to leave the US capitol. He could be held under civil charges for damages.
His term of office ends January 20, 2021.

His calls for other things...pretty much everything he has called for...what sort of success has that held? He is batting zero for...one thousand...

[BushMasterBoy]

Live video

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/us-capitol-lockdown/index.html

[BPTactical]

This morning I was watching the Tube getting ready for work, they showed video of the LE response to the protesters in DC.
I then reflected on the LE response to the protestors earlier this summer.

Absolutely contrarian response.


Stay frosty

[colorider]

I can’t watch the cnn live feed. I tried. The commentary is just too pathetic.

[hollohas]

The president should plead for the protestors to leave the US capitol. He could be held under civil charges for damages.
His term of office ends January 20, 2021.He has. He also ordered the Guard to respond.

There won't be any civil charges against Trump for the actions of this mob.

[CS1983]

Young woman shot in neck in Capitol building:
https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1346913549898149888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1346913549898149888%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.barnhardt.biz%2F

Sounded a bit like if you shot a suppressed carbine in a room made of stone and tile... cops?

[BushMasterBoy]

"we will never concede"

[roberth]

Yep. watching the downfall of America live on tv...

It's been going on since a school board in the 50s allowed the first socialist to teach a class, just accelerated in the last 4 years.

[BushMasterBoy]

Denver city offices closing early due to protests in the US Capitol building.

[buffalobo]

I was at the Colorado capital an hour ago. There were 150-200 people protesting peacefully.

Best sign I saw was a young guy on the median of Colfax at Lincoln. "Jo and the Ho gotta go!"

[ray1970]

Already pictures of some of the people there. They appear to be some of the same people involved in some of the Antifa/BLM riots around the country.

Hmm.

[hollohas]

Oh my....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210106/cb754837e702f1c110e55e966870a14e.jpg

[MrPrena]

It is "deep fake" news.


Okay joke aside......




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[eddiememphis]

Just turned on channel 9 to see the weather.

A live NBC feed covering this with the caption, "Law enforcement begins to clear rioters from capitol".

Rioters?

All the shenanigans this summer were called "mostly peaceful protests". Never heard the "R" word.

New administration, new rules.

Should be an interesting two years ahead.

[jhood001]

I'm a firm believer in the principal that any protest action that fuck's up someone else's day is a criminal act. Whether that is blocking traffic or cosplaying a barbarian in congressional chambers.

[MrPrena]

Protestors has to be BLM or antifa, because they are the ones who cause civil unrest and riot.
Fake news.

[tinhat]

[TresMonos]

Oh my....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210106/cb754837e702f1c110e55e966870a14e.jpg


https://youtu.be/zM1W5-pMwLE

Mr. Horn Head and his buddies are known ANTIFA/BLM terrorists.....forward to 3:20 in the linked video (but still.....watch the entire thing....)

[MrPrena]

I know it is only 1/6, but 2021 Badass Gangsta Award goes to.......


This dude on Nanci Pelosi's desk.


https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/01/Desk2.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=1024

[eddiememphis]

I'm a firm believer in the principal that any protest action that fuck's up someone else's day is a criminal act. Whether that is blocking traffic or cosplaying a barbarian in congressional chambers.

What if their leader tells them to do it? Does he bear responsibility as well?

That is how the admittedly few sources I have read are reporting this. Trump told them to pillage and they did.

I am new to this story and will give it a few days to figure out what went on. I did hear a woman was shot and died later but do not know the details.

Plus, I am fed up with politics in general so I am going to go take Popcorn for a nice, quiet walk in the park.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Popcorn/i-pNjbh4V/0/77526db0/S/60471573896__81E19C74-256C-45EC-A55A-C4ADA0FA4C10-S.jpg

She can't wait!

[BushMasterBoy]

The woman that was shot in the Capitol Building has died. So sad.

[Great-Kazoo]

So in related news. The same politicians, public at large and media who are calling for the NG. As well as wondering why the capitol police, weren't able to stop todays event.






























Are the same ones who said, Lauren Boebert was playing to her base as she pushed to carry at the capitol. Also saying the Capitol Police could stop any threat AND there was no need to carry a gun , for any reason. Since the Capitol was one of the safest places in D.C.




Irony, or what?

[funkymonkey1111]

This morning I was watching the Tube getting ready for work, they showed video of the LE response to the protesters in DC.
I then reflected on the LE response to the protestors earlier this summer.

Absolutely contrarian response.


Stay frosty

They named a street BLM plaza after those protestors. Today, the Washington mayor imposed a curfew

[BushMasterBoy]

I guess this means we will not be getting the $2000 stimulus payments. So sad.

[.455_Hunter]

Have you folks seen any local agitations?

[SSChameleon]

84512

I have to agree with W.

[Duman]

W. is right.

This is absolutely uncalled for. No excuse.

[BushMasterBoy]

Couple of gunships cruising the 'hood. Dead quiet here. Pueblo is eerily serene...

[hollohas]

https://youtu.be/zM1W5-pMwLE

Mr. Horn Head and his buddies are known ANTIFA/BLM terrorists.....forward to 3:20 in the linked video (but still.....watch the entire thing....)The dude in the mountain man hat shows up to BLM protests as a counter protester. One of the pictures floating around claiming to be him at an AZ protest was cropped. It's him alright, but in reality he's carrying a Q sign. He's a righty.

[FoxtArt]

I wish I could say I was surprised that Trump s*** on Pence on Twitter. I will say it is saddening, I've always appreciated Pence and his ability to keep his mouth shut which he still does to this day. I think it's official, there's nobody left that Trump hasn't flamed except for Melania and Pence's wife. Melania because she can take his assets, Pence's wife because she'd probably slap the orange right off. Everyone else though, has been overrated, didn't have courage, were out for themselves, next to satan, working with the democrats, weak, blah blah blah blah blah. What a legacy to leave on exit. You'd think he could say "THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OVER THESE YEARS DEAR FRIEND".

I think in the future, when someone cuts me off in traffic I'm going to say "TRUMP YOU" when I'm pissed off.

[buffalobo]

So in related news. The same politicians, public at large and media who are calling for the NG. As well as wondering why the capitol police, weren't able to stop todays event.






























Are the same ones who said, Lauren Boebert was playing to her base as she pushed to carry at the capitol. Also saying the Capitol Police could stop any threat AND there was no need to carry a gun , for any reason. Since the Capitol was one of the safest places in D.C.




Irony, or what?PFI in my opinion.

Kinda tickles just a little.

[CS1983]

84512

I have to agree with W.

Dubya can go paint more needlessly dead military members from his dumbass actions in Iraq. If he needs a break he can stick his dick in a Texas fire ant hill. He and Cheney and all their neocon ilk can fall in an open septic tank for all I care.

This now IS a banana republic and America started precisely by this sort of action. Rule of law? What world does he live in?

[hollohas]

No excuse for this action in 1775 either, right? Weren't they better than that? After all, good guys are for law an order, aren't they? It's the bad guys who come with violence. Shooting at those Britishmen surely damaged the American cause...

There are most certainly times when there is reason for going beyond 'peaceful' protests. Righteous reasons. Times when there is an excuse. When it is called for. Reasons for good guys to fight back. Today may or may not have been one of those times, only history will decide. I am not nearly wise enough to make that determination.

Anyone who suggests that good guys should ALWAYS be for law and order, are foolish. Tyranny always hides behind law and order.

There were many people in 1775 who thought there was no excuse too. They were wrong.

Change always starts somewhere. Who know yet if this will be the start of change, good or bad. But our country is not healthy. Change is needed. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210107/f3d3b943a7120298ccf86d450d5cad2c.jpg

[RblDiver]

Under normal circumstances, yes I'd say what they're doing was bad. However, last summer, the left taught us that riots work. Well...

(Also, some people are trying to paint buffalo guy as a qanon Trump supporter, but I think he's just a lefty who's nuttier than squirrel poop. https://www.azcentral.com/picture-gallery/news/local/arizona-environment/2019/09/20/hundreds-march-arizona-solidarity-climate-strikes-around-world/2391592001/)

[.455_Hunter]

Did the Antifa fluffers intentionally escalate the protest and whip-up the "normal" people into a frenzy that they might not have planned on being a participant otherwise?

[Irving]

Did the Antifa fluffers intentionally escalate the protest and whip-up the "normal" people into a frenzy that they might not have planned on being a participant otherwise?

If they did, does that excuse anyone else's involvement?

[.455_Hunter]

If they did, does that excuse anyone else's involvement?

People are responsible for their own conduct. I just want to know who was doing what to whom. AARs are important.

[Irving]

Copy.

[.455_Hunter]

I could easily imagine that many of the actual Trump supporters had minimal to zero experience with executing "civil unrest". They might be very much susceptible to group think, especially when prodded to "cross the threshold" by professional agitators. No excuses, just observations. In actuality, the whole event shows the unpredictability of attending one of these events in person. I kind of doubt the guy shown sitting at Pelosi's desk had that on his checklist for the day.

[XJ]

Too bad they didn't bring some "peaceful" incendiary devices & accelerants like we saw used all over the country this summer & fall

[DFBrews]

I’m disappointed in how a group of people represented a us as a whole today. Causing fear and harm to people that you do not agree with is not the proper way.
The left may have done the same or worse in recent memory and we reference this on this forum daily. But we as a cause have done very well with not escalating to their level until today. The actions of a couple dozen activists painted a picture of a mindset that while not accurate of the group as a whole and it’s ideals will be engrained into the memory as a scar for sometime to come.

Never argue with an idiot they will drag you down to their level and win with experience. We did the same today.

[def90]

https://youtu.be/zM1W5-pMwLE

Mr. Horn Head and his buddies are known ANTIFA/BLM terrorists.....forward to 3:20 in the linked video (but still.....watch the entire thing....)

False, he is a MAGA guy, here is his facebook profile..

https://www.facebook.com/yellowstonewolfff

[.455_Hunter]

False, he is a MAGA guy, here is his facebook profile..

https://www.facebook.com/yellowstonewolfff

I don't know what to believe at the moment.

[MrPrena]

Today was as horrible.
We lost 1 and potentially another seat ( total of 2) at therr senate , and this crazy bullshiq happened.

[BushMasterBoy]

1,100 guardsmen assigned to protect the building now. I was really surprised there wasn't anymore dead than there was.

[Gman]

Just as I had been thinking years ago. I get a front row seat to the fall of Rome.

[roberth]

84512

I have to agree with W.

Fuck W. He's fucking trash.

[hollohas]

The gal that was shot and later died was a 14 Air Force Veteran.

Any news on if she was shot by LE or someone else? I haven't seen any reports regarding what went down there.

[Delfuego]

#lastdaysofrome

[funkymonkey1111]

Fuck W. He's fucking trash.

This--and anyone who supports him. On this board or anywhere else

[Gman]

The gal that was shot and later died was a 14 Air Force Veteran.

Any news on if she was shot by LE or someone else? I haven't seen any reports regarding what went down there.
LE. There are multiple stories in the news.

LE might end up standing alone with a lack of support from both sides. When right and wrong are governmentally flexible, it makes enforcement difficult. I’m certainly glad I didn’t take the LE career path.

[ChickNorris]

The gal that was shot and later died was a 14 Air Force Veteran.

Any news on if she was shot by LE or someone else? I haven't seen any reports regarding what went down there.


https://nypost.com/2021/01/06/video-shows-moment-ashli-babbit-was-fatally-shot-in-capitol/

[hollohas]

#lastdaysofromeSeeming more and more like it, huh.

The division in the country can't be repaired. Ideologies are so polar opposite, there is no middle ground anymore.

Our elections aren't trusted by anyone. We spent 4 years being told that Trump stole it and now it's the opposite. Our elections are a joke. Somehow with paper ballots and in person voting we could count and name a winner so much quicker. Now in the digital age we can't manage to count shit accurately or on time. The fact alone that ANYONE promotes no voter ID makes our elections untrustworthy. Literally the ONLY reason not to require ID is to make it easier to commit fraud. And half the country advocates for that.

The system is broken. Unity gone. Government only cares about itself. The country is falling.

[hollohas]

LE. There are multiple stories in the news.

LE might end up standing alone with a lack of support from both sides. When right and wrong are governmentally flexible, it makes enforcement difficult. I?m certainly glad I didn?t take the LE career path.

I saw a video now. She was climbing through a door window when she was shot.

Just one officer shot someone today. I don't think LE in general will lose support of the right.

Watching the videos, it just don't see the animosity between LE and these people that breached the Capitol today like we've seen for so long with LE/antfi. Outside the Capitol, inside the Capitol, LE didn't bring all that much force. Even after the gal was shot the police and mob just begged each other to stop. Call me crazy, but in all the videos I've watched, despite the scuffles, the LE seemed to not be trying too hard to stop them (this shooting aside). Even when face-to-face with the mob today, LE didn't appear to be feeling threatened in the same way they always are when face-to-face with antfi. Not as much concern someone would cold clock them with a brick from behind, set them on fire or blind them with lasers. It truly seems that much of the LE today understood the frustrations being acted on and the mob had no intentions of engaging police any more than was necessary to get in. It sure didn't look personal for most. Overall LE held back today, that's clear, despite one officer pulling a trigger. I don't think folks will be pissed at police in general over that.

[eddiememphis]

The division in the country can't be repaired. Ideologies are so polar opposite, there is no middle ground anymore.

The system is broken. Unity gone. Government only cares about itself. The country is falling.

To quote Sergeant Hulka, "Lighten up, Francis".

There has always been division in this country. Read newspapers from the 1800's. Incredibly divisive. Read letters from, to and about the founders. They were no less assholish than any modern politician.

Is the world going to shit, or is there more coverage of a shitty world?

Drink a beer, hug your dog, watch the sunset.

The Republic will survive.

[TEAMRICO]

Don’t worry Comrades, poverty and suffering will unit us!
Fuck it I’m going to buy that new truck just because why not.
After all is said and done and if, and I mean IF, BIDEN and Mattress Back Harris get in they will have nobody to blame for anything that happens. I told that to a family friend who just hated Trump, yet she could not explain to me why, and the look on her stumped face was priceless. ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that happens from then on out was everything she wants......even though she did not vote and her husband cast his ballot for Trump. I like him.
We shall see.

[BushMasterBoy]

All social media accounts for Trump have been locked. Twitter, Facebook. Saw some scuttlebutt that the $2000 Economic Impact Payment maybe passed soon. Not sure what to make of all the recent events.

[ray1970]

Nice. Censorship. That?s as American as apple pie.

[MrPrena]

Don't be mistaken......
Whoever the god-fk president is, with all this easing, printing, near zero rate, anyone can be a great g-damn economic president. It doesn't matter it is Romney, Hitlery, McCain, Kerry, even Walter Mondale.
It is like hot potato.

Last president who is holding a bag of hot potato full of shit will be the worst economic president.
The 1st bag is about to burst soon, and biggest bag is about to burst within 10 years.

[.455_Hunter]

Most of my immediate neighbors are liberals to some degree, along with many of my co-workers. I would say that 90% of them are professional, polite and courteous, about as opposite as you can get of the deranged individuals you see in the media and elsewhere. They may have some different priorities, goals and ways of achieving them than myself, but are hardly supporters of destroying the country, as they too would be destroyed.

I am really not sure how we move forward, but I have to believe the majority of the citizens in this country are good people.

[Grime]

I saw a video now. She was climbing through a door window when she was shot.

Just one officer shot someone today. I don't think LE in general will lose support of the right.

Watching the videos, it just don't see the animosity between LE and these people that breached the Capitol today like we've seen for so long with LE/antfi. Outside the Capitol, inside the Capitol, LE didn't bring all that much force. Even after the gal was shot the police and mob just begged each other to stop. Call me crazy, but in all the videos I've watched, despite the scuffles, the LE seemed to not be trying too hard to stop them (this shooting aside). Even when face-to-face with the mob today, LE didn't appear to be feeling threatened in the same way they always are when face-to-face with antfi. Not as much concern someone would cold clock them with a brick from behind, set them on fire or blind them with lasers. It truly seems that much of the LE today understood the frustrations being acted on and the mob had no intentions of engaging police any more than was necessary to get in. It sure didn't look personal for most. Overall LE held back today, that's clear, despite one officer pulling a trigger. I don't think folks will be pissed at police in general over that.

I thought two people were shot today. One woman in the chest, and then another woman who was shot in the neck.

[.455_Hunter]

Do anybody actually know how many people actually entered the capitol building versus the number protesting outside?

[Delfuego]

Do anybody actually know how many people actually entered the capitol building versus the number protesting outside?Does it, should it matter? Would a specific number change what occurred today? It was a disgrace.

[Delfuego]

Most of my immediate neighbors are liberals to some degree, along with many of my co-workers. I would say that 90% of them are professional, polite and courteous, about as opposite as you can get of the deranged individuals you see in the media and elsewhere. They may have some different priorities, goals and ways of achieving them than myself, but are hardly supporters of destroying the country, as they too would be destroyed.

I am really not sure how we move forward, but I have to believe the majority of the citizens in this country are good people. This type thinking is a good start for all of us. We are all in this together.

[MED]

Do anybody actually know how many people actually entered the capitol building versus the number protesting outside?

There were only a few dozen people who actually entered the building. There is a video of them flooding through the side door. Based on previous photos taken of Antifa and BLM protesters, several were identified so there were agitators in that small group of people who entered the building I watched all day from the first speech to the end of the day along with seeing several hours of footage of all the people on the capitol steps. There are probably close to a million people in DC; packed from the capitol to the Washington monument. What is being shown is the couple thousand people or so who broke off the main group and went to the capitol after the speeches ended most of which weren't doing anything at all and never tried to enter or do anything in the capitol. The narrative that police broke things up outside is BS. The people at the capitol building stayed on the steps most of the afternoon without incident. They slowly dispersed throughout the afternoon; the media isn't showing all the friendly exchanges between the police in riot gear with the Trump supporters. So it really was a few dozen people causing an issue out of hundreds of thousands of people. Of those people, I'm not really sure how many were actually Antifa, but they were definitely in there wearing trump and USA gear to hide themselves in the crowd. It's too bad some of the Trump people took the bait and went in the Capitol. Compared to the burning, looting, and violence of the riots, this is nothing; but we can count on the corporate media to really lay on the BS.

[.455_Hunter]

Does it, should it matter? Would a specific number change what occurred today? It was a disgrace.

There is nothing wrong with attempting to determine facts of a situation.

[MED]

Does it, should it matter? Would a specific number change what occurred today? It was a disgrace.

The real disgrace is this election and those complicit in covering it up. There are millions of extremely pissed off people around the country. To think that every one of them is going to hold their emotions in check is unrealistic. I'm actually amazed at the restraint people are showing.

[FoxtArt]

The real disgrace is this election and those complicit in covering it up. There are millions of extremely pissed off people around the country. To think that every one of them is going to hold their emotions in check is unrealistic. I'm actually amazed at the restraint people are showing.

Indeed. Just like watching the BLM-esq riots, I think we're one major "trigger" event away from things going tits up. Luckily, almost everyone seems to be aware of that and show restraint despite their heightened emotions. I'm not sure how we move forward either, I just know that the toilet outright flushing and everyone killing each other based on exaggerated, microscopic differences isn't "the way".

[MED]

Most of my immediate neighbors are liberals to some degree, along with many of my co-workers. I would say that 90% of them are professional, polite and courteous, about as opposite as you can get of the deranged individuals you see in the media and elsewhere. They may have some different priorities, goals and ways of achieving them than myself, but are hardly supporters of destroying the country, as they too would be destroyed.

I am really not sure how we move forward, but I have to believe the majority of the citizens in this country are good people.

Most of those people are oblivious to their participation in the American Communist Party and the damage being done to this nation. My brother-in-law is a good example. He is a Vietnam vet who has a mountain of national pride, but refuses to see that he is supporting people who want to destroy everything important to him (oh wait it....there is no him anymore) In reality there is very little common ground left in this country because the constitution is pretty much dead from decades of elected and appointed officials circumventing and reinterpreting it(it's become institutional and mob rule; not a constitutional republic with boundaries) I mean really; how many of my freedoms do I need to lose before it is enough?. Freedom of speech, freedom of faith and worship, freedom of movement, freedom to protect myself, freedom of self determination, freedom of property; just about everything important to me is under constant attack. People who are speaking out are censored, threatened, beaten, fired, loss of reputation. People of faith are targeted, and spend thousands in legal fees to defend themselves. The time is coming no matter how nice or dimwitted somebody may be, where it just isn't tolerable anymore. I have very little tolerance for somebody who thinks it's OK to limit or eliminate any of my constitutional freedoms.

[FoxtArt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ9oThRuMVs&has_verified=1&bpctr=1610010822

(this is a video of when the woman was shot - not overly graphic) I don't think anyone could argue about any perceived risk to life at that moment, only property. Absolute tragedy. While capitol police have to do their job, what really bothers me is she received a capital-level punishment for what amounts to crimes against property.

[ray1970]

Many of you seem pretty sympathetic to the one person that was shot and killed.

While death can be a tragic thing I chalk this one up to fall into the play stupid games, win stupid prizes category.

Nobody else around her was attempting to pass beyond those doors. Perhaps there was an authority figure with a gun on the other side those doors issuing a warning that anyone trying to get through would be shot and killed? Who knows. I wasn?t there.

[FoxtArt]

Capital police have do have to do their job, and they have to protect the capital. Still, it seems like something like a club would have been just as effective, with a much lower chance of death. The individuals were not presenting a threat to officers safety and it appeared that capitol police were also with them on both sides of the egress. The plainscloths officer that fired might have been more appropriately employed in a mall on a segway, the rest showed remarkable restraint.

Lots of us have done stupid shit at various times of our life, I'm no exception to that rule. I hardly think her "stupid moment" of starting to lean into a broken window warranted a death penalty. A beatdown and an arrest, maybe. Even if we assume they were making verbal warnings in that situation, ordinarily law enforcement officers would utilize death as a last resort, not immediately shot the first person as "crowd control" which is what this really appears to be. I'm backing the actions of 99.9% of the officers there and impressed with their handling, save for the one exception of that individual, whoever they may be.

[sportbikeco]

So police on both sides of a secured internal area potentially where people were sheltering in place during a riot. A mob using weapons to destroy and breach the secured area. An individual breaching said area after it is broken down and police on one side are overrun.

And your suggestion is to have them engaged in hand to hand combat while vastly outnumbered by mob? Should police also just only be allowed to shoot people in the leg if attacked with a knife?

[FoxtArt]

Have you seen the video? Some capital police were chilling with the "mob". They appear to have zero fear of "the mob" which is giving them apparent respect. One woman leaning through is hardly an "overrun" situation nor is it "hand to hand combat". If police did nothing at all, sure, quite a few people would've started coming through one at a time.

[00tec]

The best angle I have seen so far on the shoot.
https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1347076676342185984?s=01

[ray1970]

I hardly think her "stupid moment" of starting to lean into a broken window warranted a death penalty.

Trying to climb through the window wasn?t necessarily her stupid moment. Choosing to join in on a riot (sorry, not sure if that is the proper term for what took place) at the capital building was her (and lots of other peoples) moment of stupidity.

If any of the participants went into this thinking there was zero chance anything bad could happen to them then they are idiots.

I don?t have an opinion about if the shooting was justifiable or not but I?m not surprised someone went down during this event and generally don?t have sympathy for anyone who suffers consequences from their own actions.

I?d bet money that if she wasn?t part of the festivities at the capital she?d still be alive.

[Great-Kazoo]

So police on both sides of a secured internal area potentially where people were sheltering in place during a riot. A mob using weapons to destroy and breach the secured area. An individual breaching said area after it is broken down and police on one side are overrun.

And your suggestion is to have them engaged in hand to hand combat while vastly outnumbered by mob? Should police also just only be allowed to shoot people in the leg if attacked with a knife?



That sounds like Portland. yet not one rioter was shot by a cop, as they overran the police station. Interesting how different groups are handled. Not saying one way or the
other if said capitol shooting was justified. As i was not there in the cops shoes, as it happened.

[FoxtArt]

There is truth to that Ray. Its always a mystery to me who even has the time to make stupid choices like that. I couldn't participate even if it was 15 miles away. Sleeping 4h/night still doesnt squeak enough time. Must largely be victims of job losses or?? The things people do when they're bored.....

[Delfuego]

Based on previous photos taken of Antifa and BLM protesters, .Get the fuck out of here with this garbage. You cannot blame the liberal bogeyman for this one. You can spread this BS somewhere else. Dont be a sheep. Think for yourself. Use your own eyes and ears.

[FoxtArt]

Lets be a little less hostile if we can ;) one concern that I have in an aspect of all this is that it will blow a wide open hole in a new propaganda frontier by our international trolls. Now instead of manufacturing quotations and positions attributed to people like Trey Gowdy, Rand Paul, etc., they can manufacture "emails" alleged to be on Nanci Pelosi's computer and a vast percentage of people that see it will instantly believe anything. Because hey, they were in her office, right? Mark my words, were going to see all sorts of "nanci Pelosi email" shares all over social media. Not one will be a legitimate email and some of the stuff that people believe will likely put PizzaGate to shame.

[BPTactical]

The best angle I have seen so far on the shoot.
https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1347076676342185984?s=01

Totally unwarranted and will not pass "Use of Force" criteria by any means IMO.

[funkymonkey1111]

Lets be a little less hostile if we can .

you mean like assuming people at the rally were unemployed? Start there

[Madusa]

I thought Nancy would have a larger office and desk. Maybe that was her secretary’s desk. I think that photo is bull.

[TFOGGER]

Jon Ossoff spent over $120M dollars(of other people's money) to get a job that pays $174,000 a year. Why? This is what's wrong with our system. The real money is not from their salaries, it's from the corruption that they can wield with impunity once elected. Bernie railed against the evils of millionaires...until he somehow became one. Then his target shifted to billionaires. Nothing will change in this country until we implement strict term limits, and anticorruption measures with real teeth. Clearly, the House and Senate Ethics committees are a sham.

Interestingly, there were no reports of burned police cars, looted businesses, or any of the other shenanigans associated with the "peaceful protests" over the summer. Protestors took their complaints to the people responsible, rather than randomly acting out. Were they right to do so in the way that they did? No. Were they far more cognizant of WHO they were actually mad at? Yes.

[Irving]

you mean like assuming people at the rally were unemployed? Start there

Why? That's what's said about any liberal gathering. It's always because they are unemployed.

[BPTactical]

Nobody lifted a finger to stop BLM rioters but an unarmed mother of 4 gets too close to an elected representative and they get ventilated without a second thought.



Think about it

[funkymonkey1111]

Why? That's what's said about any liberal gathering. It's always because they are unemployed.
i have friends that took time off mid 6 figure jobs to go--from multiple states. Maybe it's just that they could afford it

[Irving]

Nobody lifted a finger to stop BLM rioters but an unarmed mother of 4 gets too close to an elected representative and they get ventilated without a second thought.



Think about it

Where are you going with this? BLM tried to burn down the entire apartment building of an elected representative and nothing happened to them.

[ray1970]

I?m sure we will never know all of the facts surrounding the shooting.

Looking at it as some sort of a typical law enforcement scenario it would definitely be a bad shoot.

But, inside what could be a restricted area of the capital building... who knows. The rules of engagement or the orders given to the security personnel could be totally different from what applies to a normal agency working public areas of a city. For all we know the armed guys in the barricaded area may have had strict orders that nobody was allowed to enter that area and that anyone doing so was fair game to be stopped at any cost.

I just don?t think any of us can really judge whether it was a bad shoot without all of the behind the scenes knowledge of the situation. The guy who fired the shot may have acted well within the current protocol at the time.

[BushMasterBoy]

The market likes the retaking of the US Capitol building. The siege is over.

84513

[MrPrena]

Yeah, now, US govt is about to dilute more CASH USD into the economy. Since democrats controls everything, I assume people will get $2000. We now have about at least 11+ month of renewal of market rally.
Carton of milk will cost $8-12 soon.

[BPTactical]

Where are you going with this? BLM tried to burn down the entire apartment building of an elected representative and nothing happened to them.

My point exactly and thank you for illustrating it.

Something something some animals are more equal than others, double standards etc.....

[BushMasterBoy]

I bought toilet paper last night at Walmart. The price marked on the shelf was $14.95. I checked out, it was $19.98

The shelves were full, but no prices were marked. I blame the New York Stink Exchange (NYSE). Butt it was worth it...

Buy now, pray later~

[CS1983]

Young woman shot in neck in Capitol building:
https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1346913549898149888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1346913549898149888%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.barnhardt.biz%2F

Sounded a bit like if you shot a suppressed carbine in a room made of stone and tile... cops?

Other angles show pistol. Must have clipped audio on the mic.

[cstone]

There are lines (EXAMPLE: red line on AF base) if crossed, can get you killed. Some of those lines are well marked and fairly well known, while others are not.

If you believe in the principle of Stand Your Ground, you have to at least consider the Capitol Police, who are charged with the protection of the personnel within the building as having some authority to use deadly force when people are inside the Capitol and presenting a danger.

Jump the fence at a nuke site, a prison, the White House, other sensitive or restricted sites and thank the guards for exercising discretion if they don't shoot you. She wasn't walking down a public sidewalk. She rolled her dice and they came up "snake eyes." Sad but very foreseeable, given the circumstances.

I was a little surprised they took the shot with the other Capitol Police officers behind her. A miss or pass through could easily have it one of those officers.

Be safe.

[hollohas]

If any of the participants went into this thinking there was zero chance anything bad could happen to them then they are idiots.

.

^This.

Every single one of those people should have known that breaching a federal building could result in being shot. I guarantee this lady knew that going in. She made a choice. Good or bad shoot, that's the truth. Right or wrong, my bet is whoever killed her won't see any charges.

The Fed Gov, that is no friend of the People, got a little reminder yesterday that their little safe space isn't actually so safe. No congressmen or women got strung up. None of them got tarred and feathered. No congressmen or women got hurt. They got a reality check directed squarely at them (as opposed to unrelated civilian businesses and property being targeted)

[MED]

Get the fuck out of here with this garbage. You cannot blame the liberal bogeyman for this one. You can spread this BS somewhere else. Dont be a sheep. Think for yourself. Use your own eyes and ears.

Here is something for your own eyes and ears; at least until all the videos are censored.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1347007733619372035
https://twitter.com/i/status/1347032914182217728

[BushMasterBoy]

Probably was a Sig. I feel sorry for her husband. The nation is divided.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/10/09/840186/

[Bailey Guns]

I?m sure we will never know all of the facts surrounding the shooting.

Looking at it as some sort of a typical law enforcement scenario it would definitely be a bad shoot.

But, inside what could be a restricted area of the capital building... who knows. The rules of engagement or the orders given to the security personnel could be totally different from what applies to a normal agency working public areas of a city. For all we know the armed guys in the barricaded area may have had strict orders that nobody was allowed to enter that area and that anyone doing so was fair game to be stopped at any cost.

I just don?t think any of us can really judge whether it was a bad shoot without all of the behind the scenes knowledge of the situation. The guy who fired the shot may have acted well within the current protocol at the time.


I'd agree with this and that's what I thought. I don't know exactly what's behind those doors. She clearly wasn't just leaning thru the window. She was in the process of climbing thru it. I also don't know the circumstances of how that woman and all the other protestors made or gained entry into that area. But my first thought is most of them, at a minimum, are probably in the process of committing burglary. That's according to a widely used definition of illegally entering a building with the intent of committing a crime. So, to me (and this is just speculation on my part), she was likely in the process of committing a felony.

Based on what I saw in the video it doesn't appear to me that deadly force was appropriate. But I don't have the entire story so I'm not going to judge the officer's actions one way or another. I will say this entire incident is being treated completely differently by EVERYONE in politics and the media from the violent riots peaceful protests over the summer by those on the left. I'm so sick of the double standards I could just scream.

To all of you who think it's time to rise up, this is just a tiny, raindrop-in-the-ocean-sized taste of what that would look like. I would much rather deal with a leftist presidential administration than a full-blown revolution.

[FoxtArt]

+1 to that BG. Its not that I expect charges either or that there isn't legal justification, undoubtedly there is plenty of legal justification, hell they could mow down the whole group breaking down the door with a M249 and likely still have legal justification and not face charges in light of the unique circumstance (although there would be other ramifications....)

It just appears to be lacking perhaps in enough moral justification. As we all know, what is legal or illegal has little to do with what is right, or what appropriate reactions and actions should be. I do agree the double standard is ridiculous and offensive. If the shoe was on the other foot, 500+ businesses would have been burned to the ground and looted already "in protest". It happens to us, and it's like half our own people are like "Well, she did start to enter the building, so guess she deserved to die".

[cstone]

Probably was a Sig. I feel sorry for her husband. The nation is divided.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/10/09/840186/

The link you provided was for the Virginia Capitol Police in Richmond, VA.

US Capitol Police may be carrying SIG pistols, but I thought they had transitioned to Glock some time back.

https://www.policemag.com/506113/u-s-capitol-police-service-weapon-found-in-capitol-bathroom

[Martinjmpr]

To all of you who think it's time to rise up, this is just a tiny, raindrop-in-the-ocean-sized taste of what that would look like. I would much rather deal with a leftist presidential administration than a full-blown revolution.

Amen, Brother. [Beer]

[BushMasterBoy]

The penalty under law is 10 years for insurrection. And that is what it was.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383

[Martinjmpr]

The penalty under law is 10 years for insurrection. And that is what it was.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383

Unfortunately I think they'll just get a slap on the pee pee as a conciliatory gesture from the new administration. Which is a shame because it will embolden like minded insurrectionists to do something even more outrageous next time.

[Great-Kazoo]

To all of you who think it's time to rise up, this is just a tiny, raindrop-in-the-ocean-sized taste of what that would look like. I would much rather deal with a leftist presidential administration than a full-blown revolution.


if and when rounds start coming back at you. The tune changes, real fast. A good portion, on any side, talking civil war etc. Have either 1: never been shot. or 2: been on the wrong end of a live fire range.

[almostamos]

Went back to read through the 12 pages. I don't post here much but wanted to see what the pulse was like. I'm surprised. You folks actually think that a ballot box is going to change the course of our government? Insurrection (against authority/government) is always wrong in your mind?

[TEAMRICO]

The Ballot Box?
Does not exist anymore. The ballot is just something for you to fill out to make you feel good. Once it is “Scanned” it is useless.
Colorado was a test run for this. Go mail in and immediately go Blue.
DEMOCRATS COUNT THE VOTES.

[Duman]

This is a disaster on many levels. This can be dissected into dozens of threads.

There were breakdowns in leadership, intelligence, foresight, enforcement, protection, and professionalism from various agencies.

It's surprising more people weren't injured or killed.

[Bailey Guns]

Went back to read through the 12 pages. I don't post here much but wanted to see what the pulse was like. I'm surprised. You folks actually think that a ballot box is going to change the course of our government? Insurrection (against authority/government) is always wrong in your mind?

That's all you've taken away from over 100 comments in this thread? You've just decided "you folks"...which basically infers everyone here...have it narrowed down to those two beliefs? That's some pretty fuckin' amazing insight you have there. I can see why you don't post much.

[hollohas]

Unfortunately I think they'll just get a slap on the pee pee as a conciliatory gesture from the new administration. Which is a shame because it will embolden like minded insurrectionists to do something even more outrageous next time.I'm gonna bet against you on this prediction. Those people are going to jail. The FBI already as pictures of dozens of them on the street asking for help identifying them. Charges for one individual have already been announced. The new admin won't hold back on them or anyone like them. Examples will be made.

Hell, even Trump's merchandise websites were killed today. Stories of people who were there being fired by their jobs are hitting the news stands too. All things associated with Trump will be cancelled, including the people who were there.

[RblDiver]

Under normal circumstances I'd agree with the position that the "storming of the capital" was wrong. These are not normal circumstances. Blatantly illegal things are being given a pass, the media is completely unfair, nobody in the swamp truly cares to do anything about it, the list goes on and on. I think there's going to have to be some sort of large jolt to the system to bring it back in line. What form that takes, don't know, but I am doubting it'll be pleasant.

[Bailey Guns]

I'm gonna bet against you on this prediction. Those people are going to jail. The FBI already as pictures of dozens of them on the street asking for help identifying them. Charges for one individual have already been announced. The new admin won't hold back on them or anyone like them. Examples will be made.

Agreed. That's my guess as well.


Hell, even Trump's merchandise websites were killed today. Stories of people who where there being fired by their jobs are hitting the news stands too. All things associated with Trump will be cancelled, including the people who were there.

And quite frankly, this type of retribution is worse than what anyone did during the capitol bldg incident. Definitely likely to cause even more long-term damage to the country than what happened in DC.

[clodhopper]

Under normal circumstances I'd agree with the position that the "storming of the capital" was wrong. These are not normal circumstances. Blatantly illegal things are being given a pass, the media is completely unfair, nobody in the swamp truly cares to do anything about it, the list goes on and on. I think there's going to have to be some sort of large jolt to the system to bring it back in line. What form that takes, don't know, but I am doubting it'll be pleasant.

I firmly believe that impeaching Trump will do nothing but make things more unpleasant. Nancy/Chuckie are clearly not considering what is best for the country. We will see I guess.

[Great-Kazoo]

I firmly believe that impeaching Trump will do nothing but make things more unpleasant. Nancy/Chuckie are clearly not considering what is best for the country. We will see I guess.

They've never considered what's best for the country. Only them self.

[GilpinGuy]

I don't know if it's been written here yet....11 pages sheesh.

I certainly don't support or condone what went on yesterday, but it was a bit satisfying to see those government assholes laying on the floor, cowering in fear. It's about time they sensed a bit of fear of (some of) the people.

Again, I'm not supporting what happened, but maybe it will change some attitudes (doubtful).

[brutal]

Went back to read through the 12 pages. I don't post here much but wanted to see what the pulse was like. I'm surprised. You folks actually think that a ballot box is going to change the course of our government? Insurrection (against authority/government) is always wrong in your mind?

You should set your options, it's only 4 pages.

Might help your reading comprehension some to have a smoother flow.

[OtterbatHellcat]

I actually felt some pride when I saw all those American flags, Trump flags, and Don't Tread on Me flags....and all the MAGA hats, that part of it was powerful to see.

However, no excuse for the rioting type bullshit. Assembly by itself would have been pretty cool.

[Gman]

http://youtu.be/xH9XWNz0GW4

[BushMasterBoy]

If Trump resigns and Pence becomes president, he will get pardoned and Pence gets a presidential pension too. $219K a year, I could live on that.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Former_Presidents_Act#:~:text=Secret%20Service%20p rotection.-,Pension,a%20president's%20departure%20from%20offi ce.

[FoxtArt]

All sorts of people are wanting those "evil trump supporters" at the capital to be blacklisted from, flying including a union and a few politicians.

Oh shit, blacklisted probably isn't politically correct now. Even though we wouldn't ever use that word if we were talking about BLM peace protestors, who are saving the world with their love one frozen water bottle at a time and it only is used in reference to evil trump supporters, we need a sensitive label.

[Doc45]

In the time Trump has left in office I’d be very surprised if the articles of impeachment could be filed in that time, same goes for implementing the 25th amendment.................on the other hand I’ve been surprised by a few things that have happened lately.

Stay safe and stay healthy all.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Protesting peacefully outside would have been great if it had stopped there. The people who forced their way, vandalized, or stole things just gave ammunition and strength to all the lies the Left told about Trump and anyone who didn't support Antifa/BLM/SJW riots. It doesn't matter what the truth is, the history written by the reporters will continue to emphasize the people who were photographed inside the Capitol building and carrying off items. We know it's a lie but the kids reading it in their history texts 5, 10 years from now won't.

[Rucker61]

All sorts of people are wanting those "evil trump supporters" at the capital to be blacklisted from, flying including a union and a few politicians.

Oh shit, blacklisted probably isn't politically correct now. Even though we wouldn't ever use that word if we were talking about BLM peace protestors, who are saving the world with their love one frozen water bottle at a time and it only is used in reference to evil trump supporters, we need a sensitive label.

I think "canceled" is the current term.

[tactical_2012]

Did the Antifa fluffers intentionally escalate the protest and whip-up the "normal" people into a frenzy that they might not have planned on being a participant otherwise?


Looks like like they were

Capitol protests: BLM activist inside building claims he was 'documenting' riots, once said 'burn it all down' | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/anti-trump-activist-entered-capitol-wednesday

[leightoncash]

One of the lasting impressions from this event was how a concept that I've known for a long time suddenly got very real to me; the idea that order in our society is not guaranteed, it is fragile and only held together by general consent. As in, if half the people collectively stopped paying taxes or obeying laws, it could be a couple weeks till life became a post-apocalyptic movie. It seems like the insurrectionists at the capitol could have done much more and lasting damage to our country if they had been a little more organized or had loftier goals. Their relatively small numbers doesn't mean that much.
I wonder if some of those people later that night had a similar but guilty realization, that what they had done at the capitol could have been the spark that started a civil war and ended our Nation.

[almostamos]

You should set your options, it's only 4 pages.

Might help your reading comprehension some to have a smoother flow.

Slick! Just did it, much better

[Grant H.]

One of the lasting impressions from this event was how a concept that I've known for a long time suddenly got very real to me; the idea that order in our society is not guaranteed, it is fragile and only held together by general consent. As in, if half the people collectively stopped paying taxes or obeying laws, it could be a couple weeks till life became a post-apocalyptic movie. It seems like the insurrectionists at the capitol could have done much more and lasting damage to our country if they had been a little more organized or had loftier goals. Their relatively small numbers doesn't mean that much.
I wonder if some of those people later that night had a similar but guilty realization, that what they had done at the capitol could have been the spark that started a civil war and ended our Nation.

"Polite Society" is an obscenely thin veneer that exists in the relative calm of "normalcy"...

Disrupt that "normalcy" and that thin veneer crumbles incredibly quickly.

People suck.

[BushMasterBoy]

Local genius's at work in DC. They got arrested.

https://www.9news.com/article/news/investigations/colorado-men-arrested-amid-tumultuous-week-in-dc/73-6f6147a4-299f-4613-a722-0257a40a4e44

[RblDiver]

Note that 9News thinks 13 rounds is "large capacity."

[.455_Hunter]

Note that 9News thinks 13 rounds is "large capacity."

I wonder many rounds their security punk had in his gun.

[BPTactical]

Note that 9News thinks 13 rounds is "large capacity."

No, DC thinks 13rds is "High Capacity"

[Irving]

I always cringe when I read/ watch something where someone mentions whether a gun is registered to someone.

[BushMasterBoy]

Recognize anyone on this social media?

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/washingtondc/wanted

[almostamos]

Snitches get stitches.

[00tec]

They dont need your help finding these people, they just want to get you comfortable with snitching on your neighbor.

[fitz19d]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1347596278583197698

Literally opened the doors for them.

[CS1983]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1347596278583197698

Literally opened the doors for them.

I guess they knocked?

"Seek and you shall find. Knock and it shall be opened unto you."

[Aloha_Shooter]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1347596278583197698

Literally opened the doors for them.

At the start of that video, the crowd is quiet, protesting peacefully -- really peacefully, not Antifa "peaceful". At what point did it get violent or destructive? Was the violence or destruction or theft widespread or is it being exaggerated to provide false equivalence for comparison to the Antifa/BLM riots?

The media has been making false accusations about anyone who didn't subscribe to extreme Leftist politics for years now. Anyone out demonstrating or protesting against extremism needs to ultra-careful about this and know EVERYTHING they do will be portrayed in the worst possible light or outright distorted so don't give them any more ammunition.

[TFOGGER]

"Polite Society" is an obscenely thin veneer that exists in the relative calm of "normalcy"...

Disrupt that "normalcy" and that thin veneer crumbles incredibly quickly.

People suck.

"The average "civilized man" is 7 missed meals from murder."--Unknown

[Great-Kazoo]

"The average "civilized man" is 7 missed meals from murder."--Unknown

7? IMO most people, comfortable, knowing a grocery store is a short drive from their home. Would start cracking on the 2nd day of shuttered grocery stores.
During the start of the PANIC! almost a year ago. paper product and cleaning aisles looked like a black friday mob, in large urban areas.

[BushMasterBoy]

Snitches get stitches.

Really? This was murder.

https://www.wsmv.com/news/us_world_news/police-officer-dies-after-being-hit-in-head-with-fire-extinguisher-during-us-capitol-riot/article_f0f30152-a47c-569c-8f54-b2cdc594bed9.html#tncms-source=block-contextual-fallback

[cstone]

Local genius's at work in DC. They got arrested.

https://www.9news.com/article/news/investigations/colorado-men-arrested-amid-tumultuous-week-in-dc/73-6f6147a4-299f-4613-a722-0257a40a4e44

It is unlawful to possess a firearm inside your residence unless it and the ammunition are registered with MPDC. There is no permit issued in the District to lawfully carry any firearm outside your residence, and no permit from any state or territory is recognized in the District. Impact weapons, are illegal to carry in the District. If someone was wearing a baseball uniform and walking down the street open carrying a baseball bat, officers have discretion on arresting and confiscating the bat as an impact weapon. Regardless of Heller, the District does not look kindly on citizens right to defend themselves. Just ask freshman Representative Boebert about the reaction from the Mayor and Police Chief in the District after her concealed carry commercial.

Obviously there are lots of guns in DC. Outside, the vast majority of those guns are carried by LE and criminals. Criminals do not expect to meet armed resistance in the District. Just pee on yourself and hand over your valuables.

Be safe.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/firearms

https://code.dccouncil.us/dc/council/code/sections/22-4514.html

I edited the above post. Apparently some forms of pepper spray and stun guns are now permitted in the District.

[almostamos]

Really? This was murder.

https://www.wsmv.com/news/us_world_news/police-officer-dies-after-being-hit-in-head-with-fire-extinguisher-during-us-capitol-riot/article_f0f30152-a47c-569c-8f54-b2cdc594bed9.html#tncms-source=block-contextual-fallback

Yeah, whoever the moron was that hit somebody in the head with a fire extinguisher needs to be put away. BUT, arresting people who the Capital Po-LEES let in w/o issue -> NOPE. This is typical of our Kings & Queens in the palace of DC. Many of those treasonous assholes in Congress are as bad, or worse, than the fool swinging a fire extinguisher.

[BushMasterBoy]

Which ones are the treasonous ones? I am just curious.

[MrPrena]

Regardless of politics or group, look at what these people are doing. They can do this to Capitol Hill, see what they can do to your own house.
They can do this to Capitol Hill Police, see what they can do to you and your family.

Same goes with crazy clowns who rioted in other cities and burned stores too. Don't do crazy shit now, or you are just inviting ANOTHER WAVE of TIN FOIL HAT CONSPIRACY PEOPLE WHO WILL FAVOR CRAZY LAW LIKE SAUDI OR CHINA.

[RblDiver]

Whelp, Twitter has permanently banned Trump, Google's suspended Parler from their app store, and Apple's looking to do the same.

Big Tech tyranny has started to not bother with the mask.

[hollohas]

Whelp, Twitter has permanently banned Trump, Google's suspended Parler from their app store, and Apple's looking to do the same.

Big Tech tyranny has started to not bother with the mask.Yup. The virtual purge is about ready to hit overdrive. Youtube channels are getting dropped too. MSM is demanding all cable and satellite drop FoxNews and going after OANN and Newsmax.

I'm wondering when bank accounts of trump supporters will be closed. Insurance policies cancelled. People who have a trump hat on in their profile picture get fired.

[fitz19d]

Famous Comic writer Ben Garrison banned off twitter, as well as things like Steve Bannons war room which was commercially produced. Parler has been removed from google play and threated and prolly already off Apple as I speak. "Just build your own platform" Except you will then be deplatformed by internet hosts/payment processors and the most important market these days, mobile providers.

“You must bake the cake, but we retain the right to ban you for your beliefs” and “Our violence is speech, but your speech is violence” are the current postures of the corporate and cultural overlords who view Waco and Ruby Ridge not so much as travesties but as starting points.

[CS1983]

Parler is still available on the apple store right now at least.

[hollohas]

A little reminder for us all of what happened during Trump's inauguration in 2017...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna710111

How many people got banned from Twitter or FB then? How many youtube channels were deleted? How many people demanded democrats get put on no-fly lists? How many apps got banned from app stores? How many FBI most wanted lists of participants were plastered on MSM front pages? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210109/8f292ae213e6fb884cba9f89eff61962.jpg

[MrPrena]

7? IMO most people, comfortable, knowing a grocery store is a short drive from their home. Would start cracking on the 2nd day of shuttered grocery stores.
During the start of the PANIC! almost a year ago. paper product and cleaning aisles looked like a black friday mob, in large urban areas.


"The average "civilized man" is 7 missed meals from murder."--Unknown

Yes sir.
That is how French revolution might have had traction.


https://youtu.be/ExoYJ8PczjA

[BREATHER]

Check the arrested "rioter" voter registration and maybe we'll see who they really are/

[Mtneer]

It is unlawful to possess a firearm inside your residence unless it and the ammunition are registered with MPDC. There is no permit issued in the District to lawfully carry any firearm outside your residence, and no permit from any state or territory is recognized in the District.

DC residents can get a concealed carry permit, my Dad has one. But it is true that they don't recognize any other CC permits.

[MrPrena]

Check the arrested "rioter" voter registration and maybe we'll see who they really are/

Good point but again there are some who thinks like..

[Stupid ass tin foil conspiracy mentally ill excuse]
IF majority of those who got arrested was registered republican,it was because BLM and antifa leader wanted planned rioters to change their voter registration to republican to make far right look bad. They changed the registration within days of planning riot.

[/Stupid ass tin foil conspiracy mentally ill excuse]

[microwave][bulls][panic][tinhat]

[BushMasterBoy]

The US Capitol has been fenced in. There is discussion of arming the 340 National Guard troops with M-4's & Beretta pistols. I'm not sure if the inauguration will take place as it has traditionally in the past at the US Capitol.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/politics/national-guard-capitol-riot/index.html

[hollohas]

I keep seeing people everywhere trying to convince others that the Capitol breach was a setup by the left. Let's all be honest here, the people that breached the Capitol were majority true Trump supporters. There were obviously a few antifa sorts there, but they were vastly outnumbered. One or two id'd antifa does not make a conspiracy. (If they were mostly true antifa, they would have destroyed the statues in the Capitol, those guys HATE statues).

Capitol police holding doors open doesn't prove it was a setup.

Here's a crazy thought, maybe some of those LEOs are sympathetic to that group? Is that so hard to believe that some of those guards actually agreed with the mob? The same people that say LE is on the side of patriotism refuse to believe that there were sympathetic LEOs there...huh?

Americans have been storming government buildings since before our founding. Lookup the Worcester Revolt. Prior to the battles of Lexington and Concord, patriots were busy storming British run courts all over Massachusetts and kicking out Tory judges and councilmen. All because they felt like they lost their vote. Sound familiar? They did it for months. They took over literally every court in Mass except those in Boston. (Sam Adams, always the statesman, begged them to stop, because he said it would hurt their cause and alienate potential allies. That sounds familiar too, huh?)

Why is it so hard to believe patriots did it again in 2021? Right or wrong, it's in our blood. It may have been dormant for a few centuries, but it's still in many Americans.

[FoxtArt]

Good post. I find it amazing that the other side thinks they are helping themselves by calls for 25th amendment invocation, canceling people / canceling conservative news / blocking conservative social networks, etc.

I'm just pointing a finger at our handling of Germany after the great war. If their focus is retribution and "making things right" they're paving a road to extreme radicalization (how WWII happened).

It's a sad day when there is no bigger man on both sides of the isle.

I wish we had Trey Gowdy or Ted Cruz in 2016 :/ I think things would truly be dramatically different right now.

[Gman]

Heard on the Radio yesterday that the Capitol Police Chief tendered his letter of resignation as well as the Senate Sergeant at Arms.

Yeah, that'll fix what has the citizenry pissed off.

Can you imagine what could happen if a couple hundred-thousand pissed-off armed citizens rolled into DC?

Peace in a 1st world country isn't as stable as what I would have thought.

[Irving]

I don't understand what the end goal of breaching the capitol is though.

[clodhopper]

The capitol police operate at the responsibility of the heads of the House and Senate. That would be Pelosi and McConnell. It used to be a direct leadership connection, but they added a board of officials in there now. Technically still operate under Pelosi and McConnell. So when Pelosi starts grandstanding about how the capitol police were wholly unprepared and failed... well.... what does that really say?

[clodhopper]

I don't understand what the end goal of breaching the capitol is though.

You could say it was to disrupt the counting of electoral college ballots and make the arguments of the protestors known. However, my opinion, most of them only intended to stand outside with a sign. A few may have had the original intent of getting inside, but most just got caught up in the excitement of the moment. I say that because most of the people who went in seemed to just wander around and take selfies. They did not have a directed reason to even be in there. Which is even sadder as they committed a significant violation of the law and will be subject to major legal actions, all over what could be closer to a college prank than, as the news seems to be describing it, a "coup".

[hollohas]

IMO breaching the Capitol was a very small demonstration to our dear leaders that they aren't as safe in their crystal palaces as they think. A reminder that the People are still here and that the government only gives the appearance of being in control as long as the people allow it to.

I also think our dear leaders missed those points. They're that out of touch.

They are very lucky those people basically mobbed the Capitol in the heat of the moment and without plans to actually do anything more. Plenty of examples in history of the people taking over government buildings and not being so kind as to let the government officials leave.

I mentioned the Worcester Revolt in my earlier post. Something around 5,000 men showed up to pressure about 20 Tory officials to quit. One very interesting part of that situation is the 5,000 militiamen all decided to leave their long guns outside of town...they showed up unarmed to ensure things didn't get TOO out of control. The people in DC were unarmed too but still managed to put some pressure on the government without getting too out of control.

Only a few months after the Worcester Revolt, a shot was heard round the world. Things happen in stages. Who knows what our next stage will be but the people aren't happy and aren't likely to cool off anytime soon.

[WETWRKS]

Good post. I find it amazing that the other side thinks they are helping themselves by calls for 25th amendment invocation, canceling people / canceling conservative news / blocking conservative social networks, etc.

I'm just pointing a finger at our handling of Germany after the great war. If their focus is retribution and "making things right" they're paving a road to extreme radicalization (how WWII happened).

It's a sad day when there is no bigger man on both sides of the isle.

I wish we had Trey Gowdy or Ted Cruz in 2016 :/ I think things would truly be dramatically different right now.

While being the bigger man is important...how many times are we to allow them to run roughshod over us before being the bigger man has to become the man who steps up and does what is needed?

[roberth]

Compare and contrast.

https://i2.wp.com/wilderwealthywise.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/SMUG.jpg?resize=1024%2C717&ssl=1
https://i0.wp.com/wilderwealthywise.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/DEFINE-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C431&ssl=1

[BushMasterBoy]

6,200 troops in Washington DC for the next 30 days. I was so hoping for a $2000 Economic Impact Payment. Florida is so nice this time of year, I wanted to go fishing. A rough day at the beach is way better, than a good day at work!


https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2021/01/07/army-secretary-6200-national-guard-troops-to-be-in-dc-area-by-the-weekend/

[Fentonite]

IMO breaching the Capitol was a very small demonstration to our dear leaders that they aren't as safe in their crystal palaces as they think. A reminder that the People are still here and that the government only gives the appearance of being in control as long as the people allow it to.

I also think our dear leaders missed those points. They're that out of touch.

They are very lucky those people basically mobbed the Capitol in the heat of the moment and without plans to actually do anything more. Plenty of examples in history of the people taking over government buildings and not being so kind as to let the government officials leave.

I mentioned the Worcester Revolt in my earlier post. Something around 5,000 men showed up to pressure about 20 Tory officials to quit. One very interesting part of that situation is the 5,000 militiamen all decided to leave their long guns outside of town...they showed up unarmed to ensure things didn't get TOO out of control. The people in DC were unarmed too but still managed to put some pressure on the government without getting too out of control.

Only a few months after the Worcester Revolt, a shot was heard round the world. Things happen in stages. Who knows what our next stage will be but the people aren't happy and aren't likely to cool off anytime soon.

The more you post, the more I like you. Not that I ever didn’t.

[Great-Kazoo]

The more you post, the more I like you. Not that I ever didn’t.

you should subscribe to his newsletter ;)

[hollohas]

you should subscribe to his newsletter ;)What should I call it, Keyboard Commando Weekly Digest?

[hollohas]

What makes the 7-ft fence around the Capitol "non scalable"??

I'm not particularly agile anymore and I'm certain I can scale a 7ft fence...

[kidicarus13]

If the new border wall can be scaled, I'm certain the temporary 7' fence around the Capitol can be scaled. 84527

[Great-Kazoo]

What should I call it, Keyboard Commando Weekly Digest?

Fractured Fairy Tales.

You can interview people who are not experts, but play them on line.




Which reminds me................................

[FoxtArt]

Maybe it's made out of 7' versions of this? https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fae01.alicdn.com%2Fkf%2FHTB1p5nGQF XXXXbZaXXXq6xXFXXXj%2F2017-Stainless-Steel-Fish-Scaler-Remover-Home-Kitchen-Gadgets-Scale-Fish-Tools-67250.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

[BushMasterBoy]

Video of riot being held back by police



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJOgGsC0G9U

[Singlestack]

Impossible to say what the flashpoint will be, too many variables. With state and federal elections no longer fair and able to be stolen at a whim, a complete lack of courage by those representing you to really push back, and little chance of our courts defending your rights, what can the average Joe do? The left has now almost 100% control of the levers of power, and an ability to coordinate between them that is frighteningly effective. To me, the scary thing are leftist leaders calling for additional persecution against the 74 million. It seems that more "James Hodgkinson events" will occur given how many unhinged or mentally ill there are. Also, because complete overreach is what Dems do, this will be escalated.

Im now of the belief that there is ultimately a 100% chance this will go violent on a large scale at some point, because it has to. The left won't back down and knows they hold most of the cards. We are probably leading up to Boston Tea Party moments but Lexington Green II is on the horizon.

[CS1983]

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside ragin'.
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.
-Mr. Revolution himself, Bob Dylan

[Great-Kazoo]

-Mr. Revolution himself, Bob Dylan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xaw--HWHecg

[CS1983]

https://youtu.be/0XxYwWg7F8I

https://youtu.be/WjmxbWJJuac

[clodhopper]

Video of riot being held back by police



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJOgGsC0G9U

Not sure if your point is what you say or if you are being facetious. I would hope the latter.

Here is what I see. Riot is a stretch, but still applicable in the fringe sense. A large group of people standing fairly still, pushing forward while the capitol police batter the close people with batons and shields. At the start they are even obeying police commands and backing out. Eventually, the people in front grab shields where they can to avoid getting battered. I don't see much at all of "rioters" attacking police, just pushing forward. All the over the top titles on these videos are not appropriate when you compare this video to so many from the previous year where antifa was actively trying to maim/kill police, which were all labelled mostly peaceful or protesters.

Too much hypocritical flying around.

And yes, each person in the video is doing wrong and needs to stand for what they did. But so should all the rioters in seattle, minneapolis and so many other places, which were regularly freed to perpetrate more the next night.

[BushMasterBoy]

I'm saying the video shows the truth. It is a riot. Did you see the damage done to the building? The people that did the damage are criminals. I did not make the video. People have died from this riot. I did not post the video for the title. I posted the video for its depiction of the event.

[Gman]

The capitol police operate at the responsibility of the heads of the House and Senate. That would be Pelosi and McConnell. It used to be a direct leadership connection, but they added a board of officials in there now. Technically still operate under Pelosi and McConnell. So when Pelosi starts grandstanding about how the capitol police were wholly unprepared and failed... well.... what does that really say?

Hahaha....

Like there's such a thing as "government accountability".

[Delfuego]

Are we really arguing semantic of what is, or is not a riot? Whatever it was, it was shameful.


Capitol Police officer, Brian Sicknick, died Thursday night from injuries suffered during the riot...

Sicknick, 42, was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher during a struggle, two law enforcement officials said,

https://apnews.com/article/46933a828d7b12de7e3d5620a8a04583

[MrPrena]

Another thing is that I am disappointed that I supported Ted Cruz since 16'

He won't be a senator next mid term. Even before this crap, he almost lost to that weirdo laughing Beto O DORK.
He should not run another term so that we have at least a chance for other Republican candidate to win.

[battlemidget]

What should I call it, Keyboard Commando Weekly Digest?

Hollo Hahas by Hollohas

[RblDiver]

Another thing is that I am disappointed that I supported Ted Cruz since 16'

He won't be a senator next mid term. Even before this crap, he almost lost to that weirdo laughing Beto O DORK.
He should not run another term so that we have at least a chance for other Republican candidate to win.
I used to support him 110%, but when he called our side "terrorists" I went to never supporting him again.

[MrPrena]

Either way, I do not like any violence, breaking, murder of a cop, or death of the lady who broke and cross the red line.

This could have been prevented.

[hurley842002]

Maybe I should look at which republican has least wealth before voting for em. Last time I've seen around 2016, the Marco Rubio had negative asset after debt/obligations.

Doesn't seem like a wise strategy to me, as the risk of falling into the "swamp" is significantly higher. How do you think many of these politicians start with little and end up millionaires? Hate Trump all you want, but he wasn't bought and paid for.

[MrPrena]

Doesn't seem like a wise strategy to me, as the risk of falling into the "swamp" is significantly higher. How do you think many of these politicians start with little and end up millionaires? Hate Trump all you want, but he wasn't bought and paid for.

LOL. You quoted before I edited to be on topic.

[Duman]

Either way, I do not like any violence, breaking, murder of a cop, or death of the lady who broke and cross the red line.

This could have been prevented.

Agreed, this could have been prevented or averted.
However, she saw weapons pointed at her by people responsible for protecting the people on the other side. Unfortunate she died, but my sympathies go to the man who shot her. He has to live knowing he took a life. She won the Darwin award.

Hopefully they get the person who killed the cop. Then force a Darwin award on that person.

[clodhopper]

News is reporting the death count from the riot is up to 6 now. Apparently, a capitol police officer committed suicide at home. Not kidding, real thing.

[Great-Kazoo]

News is reporting the death count from the riot is up to 6 now. Apparently, a capitol police officer committed suicide at home. Not kidding, real thing.

Just wait, another 4-5 days we'll be flooded with the COVID NUMBERS! Unlike any blm/antifa protest that has ZERO positives [ROFL2]

[Eric P]

I got suspended from facefvck for this:

"About time these sleazy DC elites face the music. Burn DC to the ground!!!" 4 days after I posted it.

[Bailey Guns]

I've developed a foolproof way to avoid being banned/suspended from social media platforms like Facebook, Twitter, etc... 100% effective, 100% of the time.

[hollohas]

Just wait, another 4-5 days we'll be flooded with the COVID NUMBERS! Unlike any blm/antifa protest that has ZERO positives [ROFL2]Already started. The news says republican congressmen refused to wear masks when everyone was sheltering in the underground safe rooms so all of congress has "been exposed".

[roberth]

Already started. The news says republican congressmen refused to wear masks when everyone was sheltering in the underground safe rooms so all of congress has "been exposed".

Good, they won't be able to impeach Trump for 2 weeks.

[BPTactical]

Yup, nothing to see here.....


https://youtu.be/KUGKKHVt7pI

[Great-Kazoo]

Already started. The news says republican congressmen refused to wear masks when everyone was sheltering in the underground safe rooms so all of congress has "been exposed".

Ranger Crow's a republican?

[CS1983]

Ranger Crow's a republican?

I mean, as much as McCain was and Crenshaw is...

[Delfuego]

It seems like if everyone is a "RINO" maybe we need to reflect on what we think a republican is. Neither party resembles the ones of my youth. Perhaps we should stop trying to put +300 million Americans into a "one or the other". Us vs them, 51% vs 49% is stupid and tearing the country apart. The 2 party system does not work. This country didn't start as a 2 party only system, it happened over time. We need to evolve the f*** out of it. We reap what we sow.

[clodhopper]

It seems like if everyone is a "RINO" maybe we need to reflect on what we think a republican is. Neither party resembles the ones of my youth. Perhaps we should stop trying to put +300 million Americans into a "one or the other". Us vs them, 51% vs 49% is stupid and tearing the country apart. The 2 party system does not work. This country didn't start as a 2 party only system, it happened over time. We need to evolve the f*** out of it. We reap what we sow.

The US has been a 2 party system for almost as long as it has existed. Not always the same 2, for example the Whigs collapsed and were replaced by the GOP. We are talking 2 primary parties, there are a bunch of little 3rd parties out there but are generally insignificant. Just having more parties isnt necessarily a solution. The reason I say that is look at the parliamentary systems in Canada and England and consider the amount of deal making necessary to get a majority. Our elections would also require this to get to the 270 electoral votes. So either the smaller parties combine with a bigger one early on, or they just throw all their electoral votes to another after the election, it will ultimately still come down to a 2 party system, with a whole bunch of sleazy deal making for it to happen. There will be just as many, if not more, disgruntled people.

The system isnt perfect. But as many have said, that while not perfect, it is better than any other alternative currently known.

[Delfuego]

it will ultimately still come down to a 2 party system, with a whole bunch of sleazy deal making for it to happen. There will be just as many, if not more, disgruntled people.

The system isnt perfect. But as many have said, that while not perfect, it is better than any other alternative currently known.

At this point, I'm not sure we can have more disgruntled people or sleazy politics :)

I disagree it is a better system. It is the oldest modern democracy and it's showing it's age. I do not believe it was designed with the ability to support +300 million people in the digital age. It clearly is dysfunctional, possibly imploding. Both sides are intractable and do not represent a vast portion of their constituents. We cannot continue to be asked to hold our nose at the ballot box. If we do not adapt we may cease to exist. I do not want that to happen. I don't want a revolution. We pride ourselves that we Americans lead the world in innovation, well why not with here?

[BushMasterBoy]

The press is reporting 15,000 troops in DC for the inauguration. They are also advising for the public not to attend the city for the event.

[Great-Kazoo]

The press is reporting 15,000 troops in DC for the inauguration. They are also advising for the public (if you're a republican)not to attend the city for the event.

[Singlestack]

At this point, I'm not sure we can have more disgruntled people or sleazy politics :)

I disagree it is a better system. It is the oldest modern democracy and it's showing it's age. I do not believe it was designed with the ability to support +300 million people in the digital age. It clearly is dysfunctional, possibly imploding. Both sides are intractable and do not represent a vast portion of their constituents. We cannot continue to be asked to hold our nose at the ballot box. If we do not adapt we may cease to exist. I do not want that to happen. I don't want a revolution. We pride ourselves that we Americans lead the world in innovation, well why not with here?

Nobody wants a revolution except those pushing for it - the far left through the mainstream TV and print media, social media, the Dem party, the deep state, big tech, and academia. Given the power they now wield, how coordinated they are, and the blood lust it is only a matter of time. Although I pray for the opposite, absent divine intervention this is going to go very bad in the not too distant future. Overreach is now a given and with even more newfound power and the cowardice from those that claim to represent us and the courts, we WILL be made to care. You can only have peace if both sides want that.

[clodhopper]

At this point, I'm not sure we can have more disgruntled people or sleazy politics :)

I disagree it is a better system. It is the oldest modern democracy and it's showing it's age. I do not believe it was designed with the ability to support +300 million people in the digital age. It clearly is dysfunctional, possibly imploding. Both sides are intractable and do not represent a vast portion of their constituents. We cannot continue to be asked to hold our nose at the ballot box. If we do not adapt we may cease to exist. I do not want that to happen. I don't want a revolution. We pride ourselves that we Americans lead the world in innovation, well why not with here?


I agree with most of your points. Much of the rules/requirements/procedures were put in place before the internet age when it took much longer to accomplish things and there needed to be time for communication from distant places. So some of that could be updated I guess, but it really isnt holding things back. Besides, a slow, plodding, locked up government was what the founders were shooting for as it prevents rapid swings imposed by the latest and greatest social ideas.

I would ask you.... what would you replace it with? It sounds like you have an idea of what we should be doing. I hope you arent one of those that bitch about what they have been given but have never put any thought into what could be better.

Americans have been "holding their nose" at the ballot box for generations. The current crop of crappy politicians is not just a recent thing. There have been some better options in times past (of course that depends on your party affiliation of course), but those were far in between with a bunch of self centered jackasses the rest of the time. People tend to wear the rose colored glasses over past elected politicians and forget the political rambunctious times those officials worked through. Reagan and JFK are now pretty much viewed as good or even excellent presidents, but each was highly criticized at the time for things they did and were constantly battered by the other party. Hold your nose? How about Johnson/Goldwater in 64? Messy election over two not great options.

[fitz19d]

They zapped even ol Ron Paul sr's account and he was hardly a huge trump fan. Rand wrote the fucking Breona Taylor bill ffs.

[Singlestack]

The Dems are after punishing anyone who doesn't agree with them, not just Trump and donors/voters. They have a rigid ideology that does not allow for partial agreement/partial disagreement. To avoid their wrath, you have to toe the line of their latest redefined word or crazy thought. Ron Paul is very much a Libertarian with conservative instincts - 2 strikes against him to the true facists.

[Aloha_Shooter]

It seems like if everyone is a "RINO" maybe we need to reflect on what we think a republican is. Neither party resembles the ones of my youth. Perhaps we should stop trying to put +300 million Americans into a "one or the other". Us vs them, 51% vs 49% is stupid and tearing the country apart. The 2 party system does not work. This country didn't start as a 2 party only system, it happened over time. We need to evolve the f*** out of it. We reap what we sow.

The country absolutely did start as a two party system albeit with fringe interests -- which is effectively what we have today. As far as how you categorize the parties, Jerry Pournelle covered that over 40 years ago:

https://infogalactic.com/w/images/4/4c/Pournelle_chart_color.gif

However, bear in mind that everything from games theory to practical experience says that it effectively boils down to a two-party system (just what two parties and what their core beliefs -- if any -- are is subject to discussion). Multi-party systems are just ways to get one side to fragment so the "party" with the largest plurality can dominate. Note that the Democrat party and associated interests have moved down to the extreme lower right quadrangle (5, 1) in recent years.

[Bailey Guns]

They are also advising for the public not to attend the city for the event.

I'll be more than happy to comply with that request.

[Duman]

Interesting graphic, though it's only two-dimensional. Realistically need at least two or three more dimensions.

[Delfuego]

I would ask you.... what would you replace it with? It sounds like you have an idea of what we should be doing. I hope you arent one of those that bitch about what they have been given but have never put any thought into what could be better. I have, and not just starting this week. I think everyone in the USA has an aversion to the work Parliament (picturing wigs) or Prime Minister (similar reasons). These system are newer than our and have advantages and disadvantages also, but I think they are not bad. Would it be terrible if our politicians we forced to find consensus instead of being able to retreat into their respective corners and collect a paycheck for 4-6 years of f*** all? I also am sick of the now 3-4 year campaign cycle. All they do is run for re-election! In some other systems, they only have weeks to elect their officials, not years! Wouldn't that help cut down on lobbying, bribery, lying and advertising money?


The Dems are after punishing anyone who doesn't agree with them, Everybody is punishing everybody anymore. We cheer or side for it and jeer the others when they do it.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Interesting graphic, though it's only two-dimensional. Realistically need at least two or three more dimensions.

What other dimensions do you think are needed? I can’t think of a single political faction that can’t be plotted on that grid with complete clarity (as opposed to the traditional Left-Right spectrum).

[BushMasterBoy]

This is the face of the enemy.

84557

[20X11]

The 2 party system can work...the issue is one of money(campaign finance).
1. Out of State money shouldn't be allowed to fund State elections (Congress, Senators, , Governors, State Ballot issues)
2. PACs need to be reeled in and audited
3. Disqualification/ removal of elected reps who are found to have violated
4. In this day and age, ALL money is traceable/audit-able.

[hollohas]

Is this just to help pay for the 15k NG coming to town?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-approves-district-columbia-emergency-declaration/

[clodhopper]

I have, and not just starting this week. I think everyone in the USA has an aversion to the work Parliament (picturing wigs) or Prime Minister (similar reasons). These system are newer than our and have advantages and disadvantages also, but I think they are not bad. Would it be terrible if our politicians we forced to find consensus instead of being able to retreat into their respective corners and collect a paycheck for 4-6 years of f*** all?

I work with a number of foreign companies and often get the time to talk over these type of things. One thing I hear over and over is the Parliament system sucks, and the US system would be preferred. I have come to the point were I see it as the grass is greener type of thing but it is really just as greenish brown but has a slightly different taste.

I worked with a Tunisian for a few years and learned that politicians there are issued a set amount of taxpayer funds to use for campaigning. They are audited and only allowed to use the funds for certain things and cannot make use of any other funds. Now, I also learned that the system there is badly corrupt and it doesnt work as well as it sounds for that country. But the idea is intriguing as a manner to resolve the "money in elections" problem.

[n8tive97]

I wish I could say I was surprised that Trump s*** on Pence on Twitter. I will say it is saddening, I've always appreciated Pence and his ability to keep his mouth shut which he still does to this day. I think it's official, there's nobody left that Trump hasn't flamed except for Melania and Pence's wife. Melania because she can take his assets, Pence's wife because she'd probably slap the orange right off. Everyone else though, has been overrated, didn't have courage, were out for themselves, next to satan, working with the democrats, weak, blah blah blah blah blah. What a legacy to leave on exit. You'd think he could say "THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OVER THESE YEARS DEAR FRIEND".

I think in the future, when someone cuts me off in traffic I'm going to say "TRUMP YOU" when I'm pissed off.

Boo freaking woo.... SMH

[Osmosis]

What other dimensions do you think are needed? I can?t think of a single political faction that can?t be plotted on that grid with complete clarity (as opposed to the traditional Left-Right spectrum).

I would add an axis for likelihood to vote.
Trump (like Obama before him) brought out people who had been so turned off, so cynical, about our (one party) government that they were effectively new voters. That was a great thing. But I fear that energy has been squandered by Trump's incompetence and indifference to doing his job.

[FoxtArt]

We could also add a "maaannn" ----> "sir" dimension. Sort of a hybrid of respect and intelligence. So many politicians base comes from the left side of that. [Beer]

[Duman]

Interesting graphic, though it's only two-dimensional. Realistically need at least two or three more dimensions.

1. Economic theory
2. Environmental theory - conserve, preserve, or total exploitation
3. Freedom - speech, religion, etc.

Anyone can argue a distillation of complex attributes into a bucket with a label.

It gets messy when you add people.

[Rucker61]

1. Economic theory
2. Environmental theory - conserve, preserve, or total exploitation
3. Freedom - speech, religion, etc.

Anyone can argue a distillation of complex attributes into a bucket with a label.

It gets messy when you add people.

Well, yeah, you gotta chop'em up pretty good to fit them in a bucket.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I would add an axis for likelihood to vote.
Trump (like Obama before him) brought out people who had been so turned off, so cynical, about our (one party) government that they were effectively new voters. That was a great thing. But I fear that energy has been squandered by Trump's incompetence and indifference to doing his job.

Likelihood to vote is not a factor in describing political theories or theories/philosophies of government. I don’t know that it can be used to describe any particular political faction. It is useful for predicting election outcomes but not in describing the factions themselves.


1. Economic theory
2. Environmental theory - conserve, preserve, or total exploitation
3. Freedom - speech, religion, etc.

Anyone can argue a distillation of complex attributes into a bucket with a label.

It gets messy when you add people.

I think #3 falls under the statism axis. Pournelle’s chart explains why factions with theoretically polar economic theories often found common cause. RINOs with slightly liberal Democrats or violent Marxists with the IRA or violent anti-Western terrorists. Corporate welfare types with non-violent Socialists. I’m happy to hear of potential improvements but really haven’t seen anything better for charting and understanding political alignments in over 35 years.

[Duman]

Agreed, it's a good general mapping of political theories. It's an excellent starting point for discussion. I'm not a student of political science, so it's a good reference for me.

Rucker61:"Well, yeah, you gotta chop'em up pretty good to fit them in a bucket." LOL! Well played!

[hollohas]

I'm wondering when bank accounts of trump supporters will be closed. Insurance policies cancelled.

Guess I can stop wondering already.

Curt Schilling says AIG dropped him because of his social media posts.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/curt-schilling-aig-insurance-canceled-social-media

[Great-Kazoo]

Guess I can stop wondering already.

Curt Schilling says AIG dropped him because of his social media posts.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/curt-schilling-aig-insurance-canceled-social-media


And when they came for me, it was too late.

[hollohas]

One of Trump's banks reported today that they closed one of his accounts worth $5.3M

[CS1983]

https://youtu.be/p8ooQLGNyU0

Why the hell is Darth Vodka addressing a formation? She’s not in the CoC. She has no right or competency to be addressing a formation.

[00tec]

And when they came for me, it was too late.

This

[BushMasterBoy]

https://youtu.be/p8ooQLGNyU0

Why the hell is Darth Vodka addressing a formation? She’s not in the CoC. She has no right or competency to be addressing a formation.

She is one of the protectees.

[CS1983]

She is one of the protectees.

The she can keep her mouth shut and do as she's told if the need arises.

[funkymonkey1111]

She is one of the protectees.

i guess all that "defund the police" nonsense doesn't sound so good when you're in the crosshairs

[brutal]

Now using the great men and women in uniform for their fucked up publicity stunts.

Disgusting.

[crashdown]

What a fucking windbag.
She talks with her hands and even they don’t make sense.... how the hell is moving both your hands back and forth for 3 seconds supposed clarify “I want to hand you a pen”?

[BPTactical]

84592

[battlemidget]

That's an odd looking formation. Is that how they form up now, post covid?

[bellavite1]

84592

Bert for the win!

[newracer]

https://irate4x4.com/filedata/fetch?id=270909&d=1610629496&type=medium

[Gman]

And when they came for me, it was too late.

The hangman...

ETA;

http://youtu.be/BRDq7aneXnk

[crays]

The hangman...

ETA;

http://youtu.be/BRDq7aneXnk

I'd forgotten about that one. Been years since I watched it.

[tactical_2012]

84592

Not to be a one upper but they have upped the number to 20,000 troops

[hollohas]

Yeah, these sights seem totally normal in America...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210115/052a98ef0c2b18ce84708457c19f64e2.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210115/6c31a6336f356d898be904424ee3c0d0.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210115/4fd83c337ba202138b1efd3820235a8e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210115/f6ad5e246922af59acc2feb8855f06a1.jpg

[Great-Kazoo]

Yeah, these sights seem totally normal in America...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210115/052a98ef0c2b18ce84708457c19f64e2.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210115/6c31a6336f356d898be904424ee3c0d0.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210115/4fd83c337ba202138b1efd3820235a8e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210115/f6ad5e246922af59acc2feb8855f06a1.jpg

Lot of exposed noses in those pictures.