View Full Version : Something big going on at King Soopers on Table Mesa in Boulder
Aardvark
03-23-2021, 21:06
We'll lose far more than mags after this one.
We'll lose far more than mags after this one.
Dems control everything in CO and no filibuster ....
Doesnt matter what pee pads and knee pads do.. we are screwed...
King Polis is probably peeing down hi leg with excitement with getting to restrict yet more freedoms...
UrbanWolf
03-23-2021, 23:52
Dems control everything in CO and no filibuster ....
Doesnt matter what pee pads and knee pads do.. we are screwed...
King Polis is probably peeing down hi leg with excitement with getting to restrict yet more freedoms...
Yeah, 10 day waiting period bill just got traction, and I think they certainly have the vote for state AWB and registration.
OctopusHighball
03-24-2021, 00:14
Never happen. According to an actual testimony Today of all dates. You can buy them and guns, with no BGC delivered to your door.
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Brule%20Testimony1.pdf
I tell you this story not only to honor my mother, but because tragedies like this can be
prevented.
My mother’s death began with an internet search for a gun. Because of loopholes in our law, it
was perfectly legal to sell them the gun used to kill my mother –– no background check and no
questions asked.
If a strong background check law was in place, I could be having breakfast with my mother
instead of appearing before your Committee.
But today, anyone with an internet connection can exploit the same loophole that killed her, and
browse more than 1 million ads for guns in states that do not require background checks. And,
according to Everytown for Gun Safety, nearly 1 in 9 people who respond to those ads can’t
pass a background check.
Clearly, a well researched and properly vetted statement by an expert in firearms laws and interstate commerce. Surely, no factual statement made in the testimony can be disputed.
Wait, I'm just receiving word... It's an emotional appeal made by the family member of a victim with a political agenda, and most assertions are demonstrably false?
Well I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!
I'm just glad the shitbag didn't use a vehicle bomb.....
thedave1164
03-24-2021, 05:31
We'll lose far more than mags after this one.
I ain't losing a thing
Zundfolge
03-24-2021, 06:37
Hmm .....
85641
Hmm .....
85641
No kidding. Taking a play from the anti-Trumper's playbook .... "This is Joe Biden's fault". Why aren't we hearing that sentiment in the MSM?
eddiememphis
03-24-2021, 08:52
His sister in law is quoted as being scared a few days ago when he was playing with a machine gun.
His brother says he has a history of mental illness.
The FBI was looking into his connection with another person they had interest in.
Isn't this where the much touted "Red Flag Law" was supposed to save lives?
newracer
03-24-2021, 09:30
Rep. Lauren Boebert to Newsmax TV: Anti-Gun Dems 'Playing Politics With Our Lives'
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/laurenboebert-colorado-shooting-politicization/2021/03/23/id/1014913/
UrbanWolf
03-24-2021, 09:33
His sister in law is quoted as being scared a few days ago when he was playing with a machine gun.
His brother says he has a history of mental illness.
The FBI was looking into his connection with another person they had interest in.
Isn't this where the much touted "Red Flag Law" was supposed to save lives?
Nah, RFL is supposed to be used by ex-wife to fuck with their ex without consequences.
KevDen2005
03-24-2021, 09:38
lets magically ban guns from Americans. Dont worry about the open borders. Im sure no guns will be smuggled up... These liberals, politicians, freedom haters are morons. Drugs come through the border. People come through the border. I wonder if guns do or will come through the border. OBVIOUSLY!!! I hate these idiots. You cant legislate morality. You can not stop evil. Sorry, its just not possible. (sometimes we get lucky)
Hate to change the thread direction, but Ted Cruz's response to legislation was pretty good. You should check it out.
Delfuego
03-24-2021, 10:47
Drugs come up from Mexico. Money and guns go down to Mexico. Their guns are our old guns.
GilpinGuy
03-24-2021, 12:15
Drugs come up from Mexico. Money and guns go down to Mexico. Their guns are our old guns.
My guess is that some of the drugs that come up from Mexico are run by individuals with guns that came from here.
This one is falling apart in front of their eyes - he was reported on CNN as a White Christian initially, all the usual suspects tweeted about white supremacy and racism. Then it comes out he's Syrian and anti-Trump, anti-America and now they are trying hard to control the narrative. I'm sure we'll have another shooting - the media and the political establishment are constantly pitting people against people, race against race, etc. They WANT this to happen, but their leadership is weak.
Joe Biden probably already forgot and Kamala was too busy smoking pot - Shumshuckster can't get ride of Cum'o - they're up to the same old same old...
callerys
03-24-2021, 13:12
The news needs to be talking about RFL and why this didn't work and the fact that this guy was being watched already by the fbi, big fail. Too bad you cannot comment on any of these news websites anymore.
I hate RFL and the idea of it but this should be front and center of the left and why this crap doesn't work.
Yes that means they will make the RFL even worse , cuz that’s going to fix it.
funkymonkey1111
03-24-2021, 13:57
one thing i haven't heard about this shooting is were there other injured people? Or, did he shoot 10 people and that's it?
maybe it has been covered, but sometimes the wall-to-wall coverage (and 27 pages of discussion) can sometimes omit these details
one thing i haven't heard about this shooting is were there other injured people? Or, did he shoot 10 people and that's it?
maybe it has been covered, but sometimes the wall-to-wall coverage (and 27 pages of discussion) can sometimes omit these details
No one injured, everyone that was shot was killed. If you are losing blood you have about 3 minutes or so before you completely bleed out, if you don't get medical attention you are gone.
I'm glad that none of you on here that are familiar with this King Soopers were there when this happened. Like the OP, my wife was on the way to the Walmart in Thornton while that was getting shot up. She initially thought she was being pulled over, but then a whole line of emergency vehicles passed her when she pulled over. She went to King Soopers instead and a bunch of people that were in the Wal-mart when it was happening had left and showed up at the King Soopers and were talking about it. This was pretty traumatic for her from the sidelines just thinking about how the same thing happened to her a few years ago.
I hate the walmart killer too.
That mental clown scoped out 128th Walmart prior to going to 104th and Grant. Multiple witnesses by 128th walmart employees.
I know CO does not have a public executions but that Walmart mass shooter need to be publicly executed as well as James Holmes, Atlanta turd, Kingsooper clowns, and other nuts.
I hate the walmart killer too.
That mental clown scoped out 128th Walmart prior to going to 104th and Grant. Multiple witnesses by 128th walmart employees.
I know CO does not have a public executions but that Walmart mass shooter need to be publicly executed as well as James Holmes, Atlanta turd, Kingsooper clowns, and other nuts.
Well don't worry. Wal-mart has installed some blue lights on top of poles in each of their parking lots.
Yup. They have a designated parking spot for "walmart law enforcement partners" as well.
It will cut down the response time by 10s.
kidicarus13
03-24-2021, 15:45
Well don't worry. Wal-mart has installed some blue lights on top of poles in each of their parking lots.They have an entire quick response team waiting in there, don't you know?85642
They have an entire quick response team waiting in there, don't you know?85642
They had one of those at the King Soopers here in Boulder where the shooting took place. It had been put up some time late last fall.
Bailey Guns
03-24-2021, 16:16
Lot Cops...
Are those anything like Lot Lizards? Asking for a friend...
Other than big-box home improvement stores with seasonal pallets of mulch or plants in the parking lot, I really try to avoid retailers that have those camera trailers.
They are not renting those without reasons.
Great-Kazoo
03-24-2021, 16:50
Other than big-box home improvement stores with seasonal pallets of mulch or plants in the parking lot, I really try to avoid retailers that have those camera trailers.
They are not renting those without reasons.
Once they started using those cameras. it really killed off what we use to call "parking"
One detail of the original video that disturbed me was the "guard" in the yellow vest who was just looking at his phone and pointed at the 3rd body. News interview with his brother today reveals he is a mentally-challenged employee. At least here in Boulder, our groceries are good at hiring folks with disabilities for menial jobs like bagging and moving shopping carts; we have several at my local store. This poor guy was described as severe dyslexic and just had no clue what was going on around him.
I don't think dyslexia prevents people from understanding people getting shot, but I know what you mean.
Lot Cops...
Are those anything like Lot Lizards? Asking for a friend...
Depends what services they offer. But charging for some services is illegal. But its OK if it is free.
BPTactical
03-24-2021, 17:12
Depends what services they offer. But charging for some services is illegal. But its OK if it is free.
Any way it goes you have to pay to get away.
I don't think dyslexia prevents people from understanding people getting shot, but I know what you mean.
He might have seen it was an active shopper situation on his phone.
(I know, I know, fired)
One detail of the original video that disturbed me was the "guard" in the yellow vest who was just looking at his phone and pointed at the 3rd body. News interview with his brother today reveals he is a mentally-challenged employee. At least here in Boulder, our groceries are good at hiring folks with disabilities for menial jobs like bagging and moving shopping carts; we have several at my local store. This poor guy was described as severe dyslexic and just had no clue what was going on around him.
Yes, I have pointed this out in posts on several forums where people have wondered why the guys at the front door were just standing there. He is a guy that I see there just about every time I shop there, he is more than dyslexic. King Soopers at both locations in Boulder hire a lot of mentally handicapped people to bag groceries, wrangle carts in the parking lot and other menial jobs. The guy in the yellow vest is one of these. You can tell he has absolutely no clue what is going on as he points inside and says "someone is laying right over there".
History note: There was a domestic at the north avenue, grand junction city market years and years ago (20+) which is Kroger. Ex-something dragged a cashier out by the hair "I'm going to kill you b****" type of situation, most people stayed back, two bystanders tried to intervene in the parking lot IIRC, one of them managed to get an arm on the hand/gun but didn't fully commit (unfortunately) and it ended up with the woman, the Samaritan, and the ex-whatever all dead (suicide IIRC), I forget if the other bystander was hit or not. Obviously not related, but sometimes you just never know when a normal day at the grocery store is going to turn to shit.
Anyone know where the Thomas Hayner thing earlier in the thread came from?
GilpinGuy
03-24-2021, 17:28
...King Soopers at both locations in Boulder hire a lot of mentally handicapped people...
A representative sample of the local population? (Sorry, couldn't resist)
Anyone know where the Thomas Hayner thing earlier in the thread came from?
IIRC that crazy guy took advantage of the situation and stirred the pot.
..King Soopers at both locations in Boulder hire a lot of mentally handicapped people...
A representative sample of the local population? (Sorry, couldn't resist)
To be fair, so does Safeway.
Anyone know where the Thomas Hayner thing earlier in the thread came from?
All I got.
https://meaww.com/thomas-hayner-denver-pd-wanted-who-is-boulder-shooter-suspected-kill-denver-da-speculated
.455_Hunter
03-24-2021, 18:19
Listening to scanner, his name was definitely mentioned a few times. The previous arrest record, reference to a white van in the store parking lot with ordnance inside, plus the physical appearance extreme similarity caused no doubt in my mind at the time. He brought it upon himself by taunting the PD after the shooting.
Listening to scanner, his name was definitely mentioned a few times. The previous arrest record, reference to a white van in the store parking lot with ordnance inside, plus the physical appearance extreme similarity caused no doubt in my mind at the time. He brought it upon himself by taunting the PD after the shooting.
OK, so he was definitely calling/taunting the police during the investigation? Just wondering because I had posted that his name was on the scanner and he could be the suspect and some asshat I know was trying to claim that I had labelled an innocent person.
What the hell is that guy doing out anyway?
If this happened in some countries with less human rights, while at it, Thomas Hayner also would have been brought into interrogations for unknown crimes. [hahhah-no]
GilpinGuy
03-24-2021, 19:56
True?
85644
I played where is waldo and found a dude with the Football Helmet.
.455_Hunter
03-24-2021, 23:12
Well this is interesting and kinda disturbing...
We used to live off 64th and Ward in Arvada. One of our favorite restaurants to get carry-out dinner on Friday or Saturday night was "The Sultan Grill" right next to Faith Bible Chapel.
Guess what family owns and operates "The Sultan Grill".
Bailey Guns
03-25-2021, 07:45
Just speculation on my part based on very limited information I've read about what the family has said regarding this turd's actions... But they don't seem to be on board with what he did at all. Not the typical "my baby din do nuffin" kind of stuff, anyway. My guess is they just want to run their business and make a living for themselves. My other guess is they'd be quite happy had this never happened.
But...I don't really know.
Speaking of a family, it reminds me of youtube shooter Nasim Najafi Aghdam's parents. Nasims parents called the police back to stop his daughter from doing possible stupid stuff.
https://i-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/06/13/4AE0E16200000578-0-image-a-12_1523018092737.jpg
.455_Hunter
03-25-2021, 08:35
Just speculation on my part based on very limited information I've read about what the family has said regarding this turd's actions... But they don't seem to be on board with what he did at all. Not the typical "my baby din do nuffin" kind of stuff, anyway. My guess is they just want to run their business and make a living for themselves. My other guess is they'd be quite happy had this never happened.
But...I don't really know.
I have no doubt the family preferred this didn't occur. It was just a bit jarring that the shit bag who committed this act had direct ties to something we loved and patronized. I always wonder if the people who surround individuals like this often put-on blinders that block their own observation of the perp's descent into dangerous levels of radicalization/depravity/derangement.
History note: There was a domestic at the north avenue, grand junction city market years and years ago (20+) which is Kroger. Ex-something dragged a cashier out by the hair "I'm going to kill you b****" type of situation, most people stayed back, two bystanders tried to intervene in the parking lot IIRC, one of them managed to get an arm on the hand/gun but didn't fully commit (unfortunately) and it ended up with the woman, the Samaritan, and the ex-whatever all dead (suicide IIRC), I forget if the other bystander was hit or not. Obviously not related, but sometimes you just never know when a normal day at the grocery store is going to turn to shit.
All four people died including both Samaritans.
I remember that well and it caused me to think for a long time, "what would I do if I was there at the time"? I was in that store regularly selling/delivering fruit. The year before I had taken a ccw class and was shooting monthly at the DOW range. I thought it was nuts that the two men intervened when the perp was carrying a pistol, although the first, maybe both, might not have known the man had a gun. I began carrying a rifle (locked) in the truck.
Here are two accounts of the incident, the second includes an article by Ari Armstrong tying it to the shall issue efforts at the time. I later participated with Ari's father in a first responder training with MCSO and other agencies.
https://extras.denverpost.com/news/news1220k.htm
https://murderpedia.org/male.A/a/anderson-chad.htm
Just speculation on my part based on very limited information I've read about what the family has said regarding this turd's actions... But they don't seem to be on board with what he did at all. Not the typical "my baby din do nuffin" kind of stuff, anyway. My guess is they just want to run their business and make a living for themselves. My other guess is they'd be quite happy had this never happened.
But...I don't really know.
That could be it, but don?t forget that deceiving infidels is A-OK.
I have no doubt the family preferred this didn't occur. It was just a bit jarring that the shit bag who committed this act had direct ties to something we loved and patronized. I always wonder if the people who surround individuals like this often put-on blinders that block their own observation of the perp's descent into dangerous levels of radicalization/depravity/derangement.
When dealing with adults, there is only so much you can do. Eventually you just have to back off at the risk of ruining your own life as well. Crazy people will drag you down with them. They are very difficult to help as much as you want without risking yourself.
.455_Hunter
03-25-2021, 11:58
When dealing with adults, there is only so much you can do. Eventually you just have to back off at the risk of ruining your own life as well. Crazy people will drag you down with them. They are very difficult to help as much as you want without risking yourself.
I know I will get flamed for this, but he was probably a good candidate for a red flag if the family was truly concerned and would have acted. Of course, monday morning quarterbacking is easy in a case like this, and doesn't mean I support broad spectrum red flags.
I don't know, I am just tired of getting blamed for the actions of a 100 deranged lunatics spread over 25 years.
colorider
03-25-2021, 13:02
Well, the family clearly stated he had mental issues. The sister in law also clearly stated she saw him playing with what looked like a machine gun. Um. Yea. Somebody should have acted or said something to authorities.
Just an fyi that when the suspect was taken from the hospital to the jail the officers used Eric Talley’s handcuffs on him.
wctriumph
03-25-2021, 13:55
Right ...
hollohas
03-25-2021, 13:59
Right ...Is this real?
beast556
03-25-2021, 14:29
Right ...
This is the clown world we live in. Were swirling the bowl faster and faster.
wctriumph
03-25-2021, 15:23
Is this real?
Yes
wctriumph
03-25-2021, 15:24
WTF?
I know, hard to believe ...
Not surprised with all the HE/HIM/HIS and SHE/HER/IT or the Nonbinding crap. Of course now you can be born one thing, but media defined as another. I'm Christian, so I'm sure I'll be morally racist or factually anti-people or some BS.
The Biden Admin is really kicking off to a great start, and we have CNN and MSNBC to tell us how to think - the though police are out in force, and we are heading back to 1984 and the endless wars, group think, and mind control. Incredible to see it happening in our time, what a mess.
Tomorrow:
Suspect was female trapped in Male body.
Tomorrow:
Suspect was female trapped in Male body.
LOL, that'd top this...
funkymonkey1111
03-25-2021, 16:53
Right ...
you know this is from the Babylon Bee, right?
https://babylonbee.com/news/media-now-claims-shooter-was-factually-arabic-but-morally-white
Here are two accounts of the incident, the second includes an article by Ari Armstrong tying it to the shall issue efforts at the time. I later participated with Ari's father in a first responder training with MCSO and other agencies.
Haven't heard Ari's name in a while.
Haven't heard Ari's name in a while.
His columns are regularly featured here:
https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/
https://completecolorado.com/
https://ariarmstrong.com/
BladesNBarrels
03-25-2021, 17:30
you know this is from the Babylon Bee, right?
https://babylonbee.com/news/media-now-claims-shooter-was-factually-arabic-but-morally-white
Thanks for the head's up.
Satire doesn't travel well if viewed away from the source.
[Beer]
As some use Boulder shooting for gun control push, at least two victims were strong gun rights supporters
March 25, 2021 By Sherrie Peif
While gun control advocates seek to leverage the shooting in Boulder that left 10 people dead and renew efforts to restrict gun rights both nationally and at the state level, at least two of the victims were strong gun rights advocates.
Just days before his death, Denny Strong, the youngest victim of the shooting, posted a birthday fundraising request to Facebook asking his friends to donate to the National Foundation for Gun Rights (NFGR), a legal defense fund for gun owners based out of Loveland.
The Denver Post reported that Stong loved guns and was scheduled to take part in a large-scale Civil War re-enactment with Ford?s Independent Company, 2nd Colorado Volunteers.
It also appears that Eric Talley was a strong gun rights proponent as well. The TMZ newssite as well as KDVR in Denver are both reporting that, according to the father of the slain Boulder police officer, Talley would not have wanted his name used to advance stricter gun laws.
?My son would have been deeply offended to know his death would be used to promote gun control. Before he was an officer, he enjoyed shooting,? Homer Talley told TMZ.
Link to the full article: https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2021/03/25/boulder-shooting-gun-control-push-two-victims-gun-rights-supporters/
Eric Talley article:
https://kdvr.com/news/boulder-grocery-store-shooting/my-son-would-have-been-deeply-offended-to-know-his-death-would-be-used-to-promote-gun-control-officer-talleys-dad-speaks-on-king-soopers-shooting/
BPTactical
03-26-2021, 08:22
Pollytickians are predictable.
Always looking at a hardware solution to a software problem.
Curious move and the wording looks like it was penned by a scared Soccer Mommy.
https://neguse.house.gov/imo/media/doc/Final%20Letter%20-%20Assault%20Weapon%20Import%20Ban%20EO%20Letter.p df
But say it aint so Joe, Bush already banned the importation of "Assault weapons" in '89!
FWIW DeGette, Crow and Perlmutter signed this swill as well.
Sure is a lot of mention about Covid 19 in that letter.
Why Table Mesa King Soopers?
If someone hates white infidels so much to drive 20+ miles to Boulder, the obvious target would be Whole Foods--the epitome of privilege and decadence--and well known around the region. Only one problem, unless you live here and shop there, you wouldn't know that there's a Boulder police car parked at the front door most of the day. They've been there regularly for a long time, not sure who pays that bill.
If he didn't know the area, had no backup plan and was just looking for a target, Table Mesa shopping center would be a likely landing point. But who knows, asshole was psycho.
Aloha_Shooter
03-26-2021, 22:45
you know this is from the Babylon Bee, right?
https://babylonbee.com/news/media-now-claims-shooter-was-factually-arabic-but-morally-white
I think the part that strikes home to me is that the graphic is plausible given the way CNN has been reporting. Most other Babylon Bee articles are clearly and obviously fake but somehow you need a second on this one. That just speaks volumes about CNN.
theGinsue
03-26-2021, 22:45
I've been out of state for the last three weeks with no time to get online. I saw this event on the local news while out of state and, like the rest of us, was horrified.
I apologize if this has been covered already, but I'm adverse to reading back through 300+ posts. Do we know if any of the victims or those at the location at the time of the shooting were members of this site? What do we know about the perpetrator as to motive? All I've heard about him is he's still alive and his name.
I've been out of state for the last three weeks with no time to get online. I saw this event on the local news while out of state and, like the rest of us, was horrified.
I apologize if this has been covered already, but I'm adverse to reading back through 300+ posts. Do we know if any of the victims or those at the location at the time of the shooting were members of this site? What do we know about the perpetrator as to motive? All I've heard about him is he's still alive and his name.
Haven't heard about any members.
Best bet for motive is aloha snackbar
GilpinGuy
03-26-2021, 23:42
Haven't heard about any members.
Best bet for motive is aloha snackbar
Yeah, mental instability and the recent bombing of Syria seems likely to be the catalyst to me.
encorehunter
03-27-2021, 11:21
85694
The procession for the mother of Officer Talley left Raton this morning, headed to Boulder. First responders are on overpasses, CSP is escorting the family up.
theGinsue
03-28-2021, 09:28
It's tragic that this had to happen (the overwhelming show of respect and support, not the shooting), but I'm proud that it did.
Tunnels To Towers is paying off his mortgage, but with 7 children who no longer have a father, the family will need a lot more support for some time, and not just financial support.
Heartbreaking.
Has anyone else noticed that folks have been BEGGING the media not to use the shooters name to keep them from getting famous, a request they've completely ignored... Until now?
O2
Has anyone else noticed that folks have been BEGGING the media not to use the shooters name to keep them from getting famous, a request they've completely ignored... Until now?
O2
yes.. I've been pushing for this for years, none of these shooters names should ever be broadcast, they should only be referred to in the media as "the murderer" or "the killer". Any images that are ever released should only show the shooter in a negative light. There are many psychiatric groups that have been pushing for this as well, some of them have generated reports saying that hey believe that these kinds of events could be cut by as much as 80% if the killers names and or photos are never released. Hopefully this continues moving forward and isn't a one off situation because of the killers name.
The media in Colorado also has to let go of it's fascination of the Columbine killings. Every year they start ramping up right about now to commemorate the anniversary of the shootings. Great way to let future psychos know that their actions will be broadcast and featured on the news for decades afterwards.
I agree. It's nothing more than sensational journalism that idolizes the worst people/events. It also pushes their narrative.
Wait, so the main complaint about media is that it doesn't report facts, and manipulates a specific, chosen narrative. But people are calling for media to not report facts, and report in such a manner as to maintain a chosen narrative?
Well, if it saves one life.
Wait, so the main complaint about media is that it doesn't report facts, and manipulates a specific, chosen narrative. But people are calling for media to not report facts, and report in such a manner as to maintain a chosen narrative?
My complaint is the contrast. For some reason the shooter's name was repeated every other sentence for all previous shootings, but now that the shooter's name is "Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa" you don't hear it at all.
It's "The suspect" or "The accused shooter".
O2
That's a valid complaint.
.455_Hunter
03-28-2021, 11:37
My complaint is the contrast. For some reason the shooter's name was repeated every other sentence for all previous shootings, but now that the shooter's name is "Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa" you don't hear it at all.
It's "The suspect" or "The accused shooter".
O2
I have noticed this specifcally for the Boulder event- only minimal reporting of the perp's name, picture and background (other than supposed "mental illness or "he was bullyed by racists in HS"). This a 180 deg change of journalistic techniques establish over the past two decades.
I don't care what denver post or daily camera says.
I only read The Onion.
#onlyreadwhatevershitiwannaread
https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/08/28/onion-bush_custom-f44000fc35c0bd6905f113c55709c8db7437e8a3.jpg
I haven't heard about any wounded victims, only the dead. Were there any wounded survivors?
And personally, the use of the word "suspect" is FAR overused and really chaps my ass. When someone's caught red-handed, they're not a goddamn "suspect".
.455_Hunter
03-28-2021, 12:30
I haven't heard about any wounded victims, only the dead. Were there any wounded survivors?
Per the BPD Chief, the only wounded person was the perp- shot in the leg by one of the responding LEO (not Talley). That Officer is on paid leave per normal shooting investigation (I doubt it will take very long). All other casualties were killed on scene, with unconfirmed reports the wounded were shot multiple times at close range after being initially hit.
Judging how the guy surrendered after getting a leg wound, and his general mannerisms, I suspect a .32 acp FMJ to the gut by one of the citizens would have put him in the fetal position pretty damn quick.
BPTactical
03-28-2021, 13:37
Judging how the guy surrendered after getting a leg wound, and his general mannerisms, I suspect a .32 acp FMJ to the gut by one of the citizens would have put him in the fetal position pretty damn quick.
How about a 10mm to the face instead?
.455_Hunter
03-28-2021, 13:45
How about a 10mm to the face instead?
That would work too...
theGinsue
03-28-2021, 23:13
What firearm(s) did this guy use?
What firearm(s) did this guy use?
Ruger 5.56 AR pistol
theGinsue
03-29-2021, 05:34
Just great. Damnit.
And personally, the use of the word "suspect" is FAR overused and really chaps my ass. When someone's caught red-handed, they're not a goddamn "suspect".
Whoah big fella. This is America. Everyone is considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Great-Kazoo
03-29-2021, 08:38
Whoah big fella. This is America. Everyone is considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Unless you're a republican. Then you're a racist, homoerotictransgender basher. From the moment you do something wrong. Unlike those peaceful protesters we saw, using sustainable fires to illuminate the cities . As well as use for heating and cooking. Very green of them
.455_Hunter
03-29-2021, 09:25
The magazine question is still out there. The scant reports I have seen indicate use of "legal" 10 rounders, which would make some sense given relative lack of screeching about a "high-capacity death clip" in this case. As we all know, mag changes can be executed quickly, regardless of capacity. Unless the victims in the kill zone are knowledgeable and willing to act, capacity has little to do with casualty count compared to most fundamental factors (victim density, layout of the venue, avenues of escape, etc.).
I suspect the perp purchased a CO compliant package that included a few 10 rounders and then maybe picked-up a couple more. I wouldn't surprise me that Eagle's Nest didn't have any 20 or 30 rounders, given the somewhat recent rush on mags, and the perp was probably not the type to shop around. Heck, Eagles Nest is pretty much kittycorner across 64th & Ward from the family restaurant.
Aloha_Shooter
03-29-2021, 11:15
Unless you're a republican. Then you're a racist, homoerotictransgender basher. From the moment you do something wrong. Unlike those peaceful protesters we saw, using sustainable fires to illuminate the cities . As well as use for heating and cooking. Very green of them
You don't even have to do anything wrong. Simply not agreeing with the extreme left on any position -- even if you're mostly left wing -- is sufficient to get canceled and presumed guilty of something terrible. As you note, CO2 from internal combustion engines, coal-fired power plants, etc. is EVIL while CO2 and various other toxins from burning stores and vehicles and what have you in a "peaceful protest" is apparently innocent of any environmental damage.
EDIT: Came across this article right after posting -- it illustrates the point I was making:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/mar/28/aaron-kindsvatter-university-vermont-professor-rip/
Whoah big fella. This is America. Everyone is considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Maybe in the courts, but I'm talking about the MEDIA. They're the ones throwing the "S" word around like they're trying to preserve his right to vote Democrat to the last minute.....
Well this is interesting and kinda disturbing...
We used to live off 64th and Ward in Arvada. One of our favorite restaurants to get carry-out dinner on Friday or Saturday night was "The Sultan Grill" right next to Faith Bible Chapel.
Guess what family owns and operates "The Sultan Grill".
Interesting. I looked up The Sultan Grill and apparently the restaurant has been shut down since the shooting. Can you imagine the horror and disgrace the family is living through now? I wouldn't expect it to reopen.
The family where the shooter lived is in an $800,000 home not far from the restaurant. I grew up in that neighborhood from 3rd grade through high school. I'm sure I wouldn't recognize much of it now. Arvada West was pretty new when I attended but it's been torn down and replaced by a new, larger school. When I was a kid 64th & Ward Road was mostly hay fields. There was a tiny old gas station there with two crank and bubble pumps. A slender little old lady came out to pump gas and we bought earth worms from her for fishing.
My folks bought a brand new house there in 1960 for $3450. It has 3 bedrooms, two baths, and a full basement. The trees we planted now dwarf the house. Arvada isn't the rural farm community we moved into at that time. And there were no Syrian, Muslim refugees that I ever encountered. Our weirdest fellow student was a Seventh Day Adventist but he was a pacifist and never killed anybody.
Aloha_Shooter
03-29-2021, 23:05
Interesting. I looked up The Sultan Grill and apparently the restaurant has been shut down since the shooting. Can you imagine the horror and disgrace the family is living through now? I wouldn't expect it to reopen.
That's a damned shame if they're as horrified by their son's actions as I expect. Absent any proof, I'm not going to assume the rest of the family is like the son.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/six-killed-texas-murder-suicide-032224909.html
Inter-family situation down in Texas. Not the biggest headline despite the media usually going ape-shit over 4+. I wonder why...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/six-killed-texas-murder-suicide-032224909.html
Inter-family situation down in Texas. Not the biggest headline despite the media usually going ape-shit over 4+. I wonder why...
Okay. So, your article appears to have nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Also, murder/suicide amongst family members has been going on forever and, while tragic, isn?t as newsworthy as someone entering a public place and killing random strangers.
Jon Caldera questions the 42 minute delay by police in entering the store after the initial engagement and calls for release of all video footage of the event. If the commanding officers ordered the delay it would be pretty damning in light of active shooter protocols. It further calls into question the complete blackout of video evidence released to the public.
https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2021/04/07/caldara-why-did-police-wait-in-boulder/
Caldara: Why did police wait in Boulder?
April 7, 2021
By Jon Caldera
From the president of the United States to the media echo-chamber to every person in my hometown of Boulder, we all agree. Officer Eric Talley is a hero for rushing in to engage the mass shooter in my neighborhood?s King Soopers.
That raises a very awkward question. If Talley is a hero for rushing in, what does that make the dozens and dozens of cops who waited outside the store, while shots were ringing inside?
Let me concede immediately, we do not have all the facts. The police might have been wholly justified in holding back and waiting some 42 minutes after Officer Talley was reported down before entering the store. But from my view the delay seems questionable.
Police response to mass shootings changed after the Columbine High School tragedy in 1999. Then first responders waited to enter the school under the false assumption that it was a hostage situation. It wasn?t. The inaction to immediately engage the killers cost lives.
The same thinking happened on Sept. 11, 2001. Previous terrorist takeovers of flights were hijackings. Comply with the hijackers and hopefully everyone survives. No one thought they?d kill pilots and use planes as human-steered bombs.
After 9/11 pilots have locked, secured cockpits and if a plane were to be taken over every passenger would attack a terrorist to save lives. Notice there hasn?t been a ?regular? hijacking since?
After Columbine, police trained to rush in, not wait. That training saved lives during the Aurora theater shooting. Police engaged right when they arrived, and it stopped the shooting. Police didn?t wait for ambulances; some victims were rush to hospitals in squad cars.
The painful lessons learned from Columbine ended up saving lives in Aurora years later.
It seems those lessons were forgotten when police responded to the mass shooting at my grocery store.
There is an amazing amount of video footage from the Boulder shooting, not that you and I have been able to see it. The authorities haven?t released it.
There are lots of video surveillance cameras through the store. I?ve seen them. They?re hard to miss, intentionally.
In fact, King Soopers just installed a very obvious (since it took up several needed parking spaces) video camera system with a bird?s-eye view of the entire parking lot. I assumed it?s because of the rampant rise in car break-ins in Boulder. And of course, police were wearing body cameras.
So, there is detailed footage of what happened inside and outside the store. All this video should be made public so we can see what happened when and what the police response really was.
As it is now, the best available footage comes from a citizen journalist, Dean Schiller, who live-streamed the event. It can be viewed on his YouTube channel, ZFG Videography. (Warning, the first minute of the video shows victim?s bodies.)
From the video it is clear that the police response time was amazingly fast, with officers, including Talley, on scene in moments. And after that law enforcement numbers grew large and seemingly instantly.
Police gathered around the front door, walked around the parking lot, even went on the roof, but they didn?t go in even though shots could be clearly heard at 6:40 and 8:05 minutes into the Schiller video.
Were my neighbors dying in terror inside as police stood around the front door?
In an interview shown on KUSA Eric Talley?s father recounted his son saying that if people were in trouble, he wouldn?t wait for orders. He told his dad if people were being hurt, he?d go in even if he was ordered not to.
I?ve privately spoken with my friends in law enforcement. They tell me are trained to go in to save lives, and the likely reason they wouldn?t is if they were ordered not to. If true in this case I hope the Boulder rank-and-file who were there have the bravery of Eric Talley to come forward and say what really happened.
If the observations from the Schiller video are what they seem to be, and often in police videos they are not, it proves what every person with a concealed-weapon permit knows ? when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
But sadly, it also shows that when the police are mere feet away, they may be 42 minutes away.
Jon Caldara is president of the Independence Institute, a free market think tank in Denver.
funkymonkey1111
04-08-2021, 09:11
Why did they wait? Because they have zero obligation to do anything.
.455_Hunter
04-08-2021, 09:42
The Caldera account is interesting, because the timeline I have heard is that there were no additional citizen casualties after the first BPD engagement (nominally where Talley was killed and the perp was wounded). Perhaps the perp was effectively pinned down by this point and subsequent shots were due to a "frustration factor"? Maybe keeping a tight perimeter was the best course of action at that time? I don't know.
Parkland FL tactics? I wasn't there, I'm no Seal Team X badass, but damn, people bleed out in minutes... WTF...
BladesNBarrels
04-08-2021, 15:10
Another question?
Fox, Channel 31, reported that Denny Stong charged the shooter with his pocket knife and was the one that cut him in the leg before he was killed.
I have not heard another word about that since the day of the shooting when they reported it.
Did Fox have that wrong?
Another question?
Fox, Channel 31, reported that Denny Stong charged the shooter with his pocket knife and was the one that cut him in the leg before he was killed.
I have not heard another word about that since the day of the shooting when they reported it.
Did Fox have that wrong?
I have not heard any of that. I thought the wound on the suspects leg was named as a bullet wound?
Another question?
Fox, Channel 31, reported that Denny Stong charged the shooter with his pocket knife and was the one that cut him in the leg before he was killed.
I have not heard another word about that since the day of the shooting when they reported it.
Did Fox have that wrong?
This is incorrect.
Do you still have a link to this Fox 31 report?
Came across this: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/denny-stong-youngest-boulder-shooting-victim-died-a-hero-friends-say/ar-BB1eUIhr
Maybe that's the post?
"His friends say that when gunfire erupted in his workplace, Stong died trying to save others.
"I believe he had a knife that he had on him to cut the assailant, and that's why he was bleeding," Logan Smith, a barista at the King Soopers store, told KDVR. "He's a hero."
"I'm hearing from different people that Denny was not just a victim, but a hero who guided people out of the store through the back and was leading people to safety before losing his life," James Noland added on a GoFundMe page for Stong's family."
This is incorrect.
Do you still have a link to this Fox 31 report?
Martinjmpr
04-09-2021, 08:54
85799
Last time I checked, Jihadis were not shy about saying why they do what they do.
If this guy was screaming "aloha snackbar" while he shot people that would be one thing, but I haven't heard such reports.
Indeed, I haven't heard much mention of the shooter at all.
.455_Hunter
04-09-2021, 09:10
Indeed, I haven't heard much mention of the shooter at all.
That is an interesting comparison to the massage parlor shooter, who had every aspect of his background, family and church dissected by the national media in the subsequent week following the event.
All of that appears to be "off-limits" to any hard scrutiny in the Boulder case, with just occasional sympathetic references.
You can already tell any coverage of the trial in this case will pale in comparison to James Holmes.
RblDiver
04-09-2021, 09:15
Last time I checked, Jihadis were not shy about saying why they do what they do.
If this guy was screaming "aloha snackbar" while he shot people that would be one thing, but I haven't heard such reports.
Indeed, I haven't heard much mention of the shooter at all.
I thought I heard that at the start, but not much since. I do know I was hearing that he was indeed self-radicalized, followed other jihadis, etc.
BladesNBarrels
04-09-2021, 10:18
This is incorrect.
Do you still have a link to this Fox 31 report?
Like I said, I heard the report on Fox 31 News the night of the shooting.
Using Google search, this link is close to what I remember from their report.
I have not heard any confirmation or correction of the story.
That is why I asked.
https://kdvr.com/news/boulder-grocery-store-shooting/denny-stong-youngest-victim-in-boulder-shooting-reportedly-died-trying-to-save-others/
Aloha_Shooter
04-09-2021, 10:18
Indeed, I haven't heard much mention of the shooter at all.
I think that was his point.
I thought there was a report mentioning the snackbar, and IIRC it was also the anniversary of several recent higher-profile attacks in Europe.
.455_Hunter
04-09-2021, 11:27
This event is quickly evolving to "move along, nothing to see here, unless you want to bleat about gun control" status.
This event is quickly evolving to "move along, nothing to see here, unless you want to bleat about gun control" status.
Please do not diminish this man https://www.odmp.org/officer/25211-police-officer-eric-talley
Please do not diminish this man https://www.odmp.org/officer/25211-police-officer-eric-talley
Recognizing the narrative shift away from their preference, cus snackbar, into "Anyway..." on the part of the media isn't diminishing Officer Talley.
GilpinGuy
04-09-2021, 16:58
Anyone know how many shots were fired by this scumbag? I heard today that all of the murder victims were a one-shot kill. That seems strange considering the scumbag just bought the weapon, what was it, 2 weeks before the incident? If this is true it seems to me that he was either extremely "lucky" or he was extremely well trained.
Anyone know how many shots were fired by this scumbag? I heard today that all of the murder victims were a one-shot kill. That seems strange considering the scumbag just bought the weapon, what was it, 2 weeks before the incident? If this is true it seems to me that he was either extremely "lucky" or he was extremely well trained.
Based off some video I saw on YouTube that some here mentioned, it looks like 42 minutes passed before the PD entered the building. If true, anyone shot could die from lack of medical treatment. Not confirmed that's the case, but if so....
.455_Hunter
04-09-2021, 17:18
Please do not diminish this man https://www.odmp.org/officer/25211-police-officer-eric-talley
My comment is target to the media pundits, activists, and political opportunists in the post-event environment. It should no way reflect negatively on Officer Talley- a true hero in every sense of the term.
My comment is target to the media pundits, activists, and political opportunists in the post-event environment. It should no way reflect negatively on Officer Talley- a true hero in every sense of the term.
Officer Talley entered and engaged, not sure about details after. Not disparaging, commenting on how I've seen video showing 42 minutes of a gap. Could be youtube bs...
.455_Hunter
04-09-2021, 17:25
Anyone know how many shots were fired by this scumbag? I heard today that all of the murder victims were a one-shot kill. That seems strange considering the scumbag just bought the weapon, what was it, 2 weeks before the incident? If this is true it seems to me that he was either extremely "lucky" or he was extremely well trained.
Based on what I read, most victims were shot multiple times at close range once they were wounded. Officer Talley stuffed a catastrophic head wound, so he may be the exception. I have seen the witness video a few times, and have been unable to see blood near any of the visible victims- maybe I just missed it.
Officer Talley enters with or without backup (not clear, stories vary).
Officer Talley is incapacitated (sadly)
Follow on officers or those with him take out the suspect at some point. But video shows the time elapse before tactical entry is made, assuming a 2nd time.
Of course we won't have details until they are leaked or released, so all pure speculation.
Based on what I read, most victims were shot multiple times at close range once they were wounded. Officer Talley stuffed a catastrophic head wound, so he may be the exception. I have seen the witness video a few times, and have been unable to see blood near any of the visible victims- maybe I just missed it.
I didn't either, and with an active investigation, facts will be slow in coming.
Well, enough time occured between Talley being shot and the suspect having free reign in the building to eventually become bored enough to strip down to his undies and surrender to the swat team that finally entered. Anyonethat would have been wounded and experiencing blood loss would have been dead after a out 4 minutes.
When I was there I saw the line of officers at the east entrance move like they were entering and then do a quick 180 and form a line back behind the door at which time the swat armored truck arrived and moved up to the west entrance, paused and then backed off. At that time I decided this was more than the usual crazy homeless guy and left the scene. While I was there an elderly man came out of the west entrance, spun around like he was confused and went back in loitered about for a minute and then came back out while a Boulder officer stood at the corner of the building with his sidearm drawn and not aiding the old man in any way.
I'm guessing Talley got there and entered just before I pulled in along with a dozen or so other cop cars based on the time stamps of my pics and the official time stamps of the 911 calls and police response.
It sure seems like after hero Talley went in, the BPD fell back to the Brower County Coward Defense as victims bled out.
The timeline released was that the intial 911 calls were at 2:32, the initial police response was 2:36, the time stamp on my first pic when I arrived along with the other police was 2:37. Talley would have been the initial response. My first pic was as I was pulling in to the parking lot and police were just pulling their rifles out of their trunks, as I went around the parking lot and parked would have been maybe a minute later which is when I saw them run in and back out of the east entrance.
Great-Kazoo
04-09-2021, 21:16
The timeline released was that the intial 911 calls were at 2:32, the initial police response was 2:36, the time stamp on my first pic when I arrived along with the other police was 2:37. Talley would have been the initial response. My first pic was as I was pulling in to the parking lot and police were just pulling their rifles out of their trunks, as I went around the parking lot and parked would have been maybe a minute later which is when I saw them run in and back out of the east entrance.
Your video might just be evidence of the happenings, outside the building.
Well, enough time occured between Talley being shot and the suspect having free reign in the building to eventually become bored enough to strip down to his undies and surrender to the swat team that finally entered. Anyonethat would have been wounded and experiencing blood loss would have been dead after a out 4 minutes.
When I was there I saw the line of officers at the east entrance move like they were entering and then do a quick 180 and form a line back behind the door at which time the swat armored truck arrived and moved up to the west entrance, paused and then backed off. At that time I decided this was more than the usual crazy homeless guy and left the scene. While I was there an elderly man came out of the west entrance, spun around like he was confused and went back in loitered about for a minute and then came back out while a Boulder officer stood at the corner of the building with his sidearm drawn and not aiding the old man in any way.
I'm guessing Talley got there and entered just before I pulled in along with a dozen or so other cop cars based on the time stamps of my pics and the official time stamps of the 911 calls and police response.
Thanks for your account of what you saw. Did you take stills, submit them to the PD and retain the originals?
The DA notified staff at 3:02 to advise and to avoid the area. My understanding is that Talley and two other officers took gear from their vehicles and entered together. Whether they took rifles, shotguns and ballistic vests hasn't been revealed but the information is known but so far withheld. Officer Talley reportedly died of a head wound.
It's curious that Ahmad al Aliwi Alissa disarmed, stripped and walked backwards to surrender. Was this upon command by officers or was it a preplanned effort? In any case he chose to save himself after murdering ten innocent people rather than meeting his 99 virgins.
A common denominator in mass murderers is cowardice, and of course mental illness. No one commits murder of innocents without mental illness but it does not absolve them of responsibiltiy or atonement.
Would Officer Talley have survived if medical aid had arrived quickly?
.455_Hunter
04-10-2021, 07:00
Would Officer Talley have survived if medical aid had arrived quickly?
I don't think that would have made a difference. When I listening to the scanner, the statements indicated he was beyond assistance, and the affidavit of arrest indicates head wound.
I only have pics and they are all on the first page of this thread. The first pic is pulling up to the entrance right behind the group of a dozen or whatever many cop cars had just passed me, they are still unloading their gear. The second pic is where the cops had just run back out of the entry and were reorganizing next to the gold colored car that was outside the door. The third pic is when the first swat truck arrived just after the old man had finally exited that entrance. Not sure what any of those pics would do to help anything.
JohnnyDrama
04-10-2021, 09:20
Thanks for your account of what you saw. Did you take stills, submit them to the PD and retain the originals?
The DA notified staff at 3:02 to advise and to avoid the area. My understanding is that Talley and two other officers took gear from their vehicles and entered together. Whether they took rifles, shotguns and ballistic vests hasn't been revealed but the information is known but so far withheld. Officer Talley reportedly died of a head wound.
It's curious that Ahmad al Aliwi Alissa disarmed, stripped and walked backwards to surrender. Was this upon command by officers or was it a preplanned effort? In any case he chose to save himself after murdering ten innocent people rather than meeting his 99 virgins.
A common denominator in mass murderers is cowardice, and of course mental illness. No one commits murder of innocents without mental illness but it does not absolve them of responsibiltiy or atonement.
Good post.
Your last two paragraphs remind me that the "discussion" in the media has shifted from the shooter to the tool. In the Middle East/Central Asia innocents are murdered by suicide bombers. Either way the murderers get laid.
tactical_2012
04-10-2021, 21:37
It sure seems like after hero Talley went in, the BPD fell back to the Brower County Coward Defense as victims bled out.
Quit Monday Morning Quarter backing you have no idea what happened and until you know the facts quit disrespecting BPD.
theGinsue
04-11-2021, 08:51
There has been some good discussion in this thread. Lets make sure it stays civil.
hollohas
04-23-2021, 18:38
Well, tons of articles about this guy using "illegal high capacity magazines".
They've even made sure to make it clear that people can still buy them in CO.
I expect some sort crackdown on mags soon. Ugh.
If the shooter had a trump sticker on his car we would know everything about him.
Shame on the Boulder PD and MSM for not calling this out for what it is/was.
What a bunch of shameless Woke Punks. Nice work as usual.
.455_Hunter
04-23-2021, 21:06
What is confusing to me are the statements that everything was purchased legally, followed up by listing illegal high capacity magazines as additional charges.
hollohas
04-24-2021, 06:32
I hope that means he purchased mags out of state so some LGS doesn't end up under the hammer.
We watched the DA's public announcement Thursday. There was piecemeal release of information but new details were revealed. About 115 people were in the store at the time. The shooter had ten magazines, either on him or in his vehicle with more than 15 rounds in each magazine. New charges include possession of unlawful magazines in the commission of a crime. No details but they're also looking to where the mags were purchased.
Some 43 additional charges were filed including attempted murder against other store employees and responding officers. Apparently officer Talley entered by himself and was killed immediately. Two other officers entered 30 seconds later. All other victims were killed prior to officer Talley's entry. No one else was killed after the officer was shot. The perpetrator was shot in the leg by one of the two officers who entered after Officer Talley was shot. There was a rebut to the question of backup teams waiting 30 minutes to enter but no details were given.
https://www.kktv.com/2021/04/22/boulder-county-district-attorney-provides-new-details-regrading-the-king-soopers-mass-shooting/
Clown world..
“A Boulder Police officer reportedly fired seven shots at the suspect, hitting him once. Dougherty says this is currently an ongoing investigation and a decision on if the officer-involved shooting was justified will happen within the next month.”
Apparently officer Talley entered by himself and was killed immediately. Two other officers entered 30 seconds later. All other victims were killed prior to officer Talley's entry. No one else was killed after the officer was shot. The perpetrator was shot in the leg by one of the two officers who entered after Officer Talley was shot. There was a rebut to the question of backup teams waiting 30 minutes to enter but no details were given.
Thank you for the summary!
It does bring up the question of how the investigators KNEW that all the victims were already deceased prior to Officer Talley's arrival. It is possible that the 2 officers who responded after Officer Talley disabled the suspect and checked each of the victims for signs of life. However, it could be completely different and that 30 minutes could have been critical time for responding EMS to work on victims. We may never know, but I do hope that this is explained further in the coming days/weeks.
Rest in peace Officer Talley.
"Under Colorado law, people are only allowed to carry up to 15 rounds in a single magazine and anything more that is used during a crime of violence is considered a felony."
Hummmm....
Then the editor corrected and stated:
"We have updated this article to correct that statement that the law pertains specifically to the number of rounds in each magazine, in which the limit is 15. Anything that holds more than 15 rounds is considered a “large-capacity” magazine under state law, which is illegal."
KevDen2005
04-24-2021, 08:40
Thank you for the summary!
It does bring up the question of how the investigators KNEW that all the victims were already deceased prior to Officer Talley's arrival.
Cameras, autopsy reports, officer reports on scene with radio traffic, witness accounts
Bailey Guns
04-24-2021, 09:16
Then the editor corrected GOT IT WRONG AGAIN and stated:
"We have updated this article to correct that statement that the law pertains specifically to the number of rounds in each magazine, in which the limit is 15. Anything that holds more than 15 rounds is considered a ?large-capacity? magazine under state law, which is illegal."
That editor needs to correct his/her incorrect correction.
Thank you for the summary!
It does bring up the question of how the investigators KNEW that all the victims were already deceased prior to Officer Talley's arrival. It is possible that the 2 officers who responded after Officer Talley disabled the suspect and checked each of the victims for signs of life. However, it could be completely different and that 30 minutes could have been critical time for responding EMS to work on victims. We may never know, but I do hope that this is explained further in the coming days/weeks.
Rest in peace Officer Talley.
Investigators after the fact would know the order of death of all of the victims due to the sheer number of security cameras that exist inside of that building, they likely have a pretty detailed video timeline of the entire event. There were a number of eyewitness reports that basically state that when the shooter shot the initial victims outside of the building that he walked up to each one of them and placed additional point blank shots in to the victims on the ground. If video evidence revealed the same actions inside the building it?s probably pretty conclusive evidence that none of those victims were still alive or had a chance at being saved.
As for officers arriving on the scene, there would have been no way for them to know if anyone was still alive and could have been saved via medical attention other than entering the building which they initially did.
>>New charges include possession of unlawful magazines in the commission of a crime.
I saw this on KOAA (who has become very anti-gun in the last couple of years*) and it took me by surprise... I never heard of such a law, does anyone have a pointer to the CRS, or is this some local Boulder law?
O2
* I was actually shocked (I guess I shouldn't have bene) when their "360 look" at firearms and self-defense (a year or so ago) never bothered to interview anyone who had actually used a firearm in self defense.
So much for complete, 360 coverage.
Here's the magazine related statutes:
https://codes.findlaw.com/co/title-18-criminal-code/co-rev-st-sect-18-12-302.html
I'm guessing this is what the DA is using:
"(c) Any person who violates this subsection (1) commits a class 6 felony if the person possessed a large-capacity magazine during the commission of a felony or any crime of violence, as defined in section 18-1.3-406 ."
Written two years ago but worth a read is this excellent article/opinion piece about the media culpability in promoting school and other mass shootings, and the evolution in the way the media covers such events.
https://coloradosun.com/2019/04/11/columbine-shooting-media-narrative-myth/
Opinion: How the media ? including me ? unwittingly helped create a Columbine narrative that has inspired murderers ever since
But the mythology around killers no longer needs press coverage to spread
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