View Full Version : Something big going on at King Soopers on Table Mesa in Boulder
On the way to the grocery store and a steady line of about 20 police cars pass me, I get up to King soopers and tbat's where tbey are all heading, about 20 more from Boukder Louisville, CHP and othersare still pulling in, there has to be well over 50 police cars here now, adozen or so firetrucks and so on. They have the armored truck at the front door. I turned around and drove home, sidens non stop on Table.Mesa ever since.
"News" is saying active shooter.
I would have been there as it was happening if I didn't dick around at home for a couple minutes before leaving.
https://kdvr.com/news/police-searching-for-active-shooter-in-boulder/
wctriumph
03-22-2021, 15:16
Well. Shit!!!
This was early on as I got there and as they were still exiting their cars and gearing up, another 50-60 police cars from all over have poured in since.
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Some dickbag live streaming it on YouTube, yelling that they need 911 NOW, while holding his phone and ignoring people hit.
.455_Hunter
03-22-2021, 15:20
Any links to what is happening besides Broadcastify?
BladesNBarrels
03-22-2021, 15:21
Is this the shooter finding the perfect get-a-way?
https://i.imgur.com/0dptDFV.jpg
nighterfighter
03-22-2021, 15:21
Any links to what is happening besides Broadcastify?
Livestream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikujTMetrUk
It's been almost an hour and the SWAT team hasn't entered yet? Despiciable.
.455_Hunter
03-22-2021, 15:22
Political comment- Seems too perfect after recent legal and political events.
Bailey Guns
03-22-2021, 15:24
It's been almost an hour and the SWAT team hasn't entered yet? Despiciable.
Didn't take long for the experts to chime in. You should probably be down there directing law enforcement efforts since you seem to know what's going on.
nighterfighter
03-22-2021, 15:25
Political comment- Seems too perfect after recent legal and political events.
I didn't want to say it, glad someone else did.
I've been watching video that showed persons on the floor inside and shooting happening. Bad deal.
https://twitter.com/boulderpolice/status/1374100929855815692
video, hit live
nighterfighter
03-22-2021, 15:25
Didn't take long for the experts to chime in. You should probably be down there directing law enforcement efforts since you seem to know what's going on.
Thanks, maybe I will.
I don't give a shit, but when the dude is actively shooting people, maybe it's time to nut up and get in there.
The police were making no effort to enter the building while I was there.
Bailey Guns
03-22-2021, 15:31
Thanks, maybe I will.
I don't give a shit, but when the dude is actively shooting people, maybe it's time to nut up and get in there.
Be careful. It's a lot safer behind your keyboard.
And before anyone starts on me for "defending" the police, I'm not defending anyone. I'm stating the obvious that seems a little too complicated for some. No one here knows exactly what's going on or why the police are doing what they're doing. It could be a monumental fuck up by the police or there could be reasons why they aren't going in.
Why is it SO hard to gather facts before throwing stones? FFS...
One handcuffed guy just brought out of the store looked like he was only wearing shorts (no shirt, pants, shoes, socks) one leg was covered in something red yet he was walking under his own power.
.455_Hunter
03-22-2021, 15:36
Do we have any accounts of casualties? The cryptic radio traffic may indicate a potential KIA?
.455_Hunter
03-22-2021, 15:40
4-5 casualties?
If you rewind the live stream video to the beginning you see one person on the ground outside the front door and another in the middle of the road outside.
https://abcnews.go.com/Live
BPTactical
03-22-2021, 15:53
6 down from what I have heard.
Ironic this goes down 2 days after the Boulder Mag ban got quashed
.455_Hunter
03-22-2021, 16:02
I saw 3 down in the live stream- 2 outside, 1 inside.
Probably just some vegan that was triggered after seeing how many people ignored the meat free day.
(Sorry for my insensitivity. Just not looking forward to months of being branded an outlaw for supporting my constitutional rights because some whack job commits an atrocity.)
UrbanWolf
03-22-2021, 16:13
I was really hoping no one goes postal after one whole year of lockdown.
.455_Hunter
03-22-2021, 16:13
Another victim in parking lot.
BPTactical
03-22-2021, 16:19
Pulling PD out of the building, building is clear.
Going through what they believe is the perps vehicle.
One in custody.
At least 3 people down and not moving in the live stream.
eddiememphis
03-22-2021, 16:25
9 news has been going on and on about what a horrible tragedy it is... even though they admit they have zero idea what happened.
Operation 'overkill'........ every emergency vehicle in a 100-mile radius is on scene.......
eddiememphis
03-22-2021, 16:30
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BPTactical
03-22-2021, 16:31
Second suspect called PD being antagonistic, PD enroute to last known location of 2nd suspect.
.455_Hunter
03-22-2021, 16:34
Second suspect called PD being antagonistic, PD enroute to last known location of 2nd suspect.
Yup- Just up the street from BHS, but having an armed RSO on campus is scary for sensitive students.
Hits close to home...I shopped in that store for about 3 decades.
Rucker61
03-22-2021, 16:40
https://www.broadcastify.com/webPlayer/32030?fbclid=IwAR0NQ8JXkD4lh1e2wZ16YfVxVquQbufdLnZ AfRjAuDEzmPDPw0-5cwyk7BM
.455_Hunter
03-22-2021, 16:42
Hits close to home...I shopped in that store for about 3 decades.
Yup- The earliest I remember going there was getting 10 cent hot dogs as a kid after leaving swim lessons at Mesa Swim Club in the mid-80's.
hollohas
03-22-2021, 16:53
How the hell is anyone's 1st thought during a shooting "I better live stream this on youtube!"
.455_Hunter
03-22-2021, 16:55
How the hell is anyone's 1st thought during a shooting "I better live stream this on youtube!"
Some folks have it as one touch recording synched with their phone.
How the hell is anyone's 1st thought during a shooting "I better live stream this on youtube!"
The guy has a you tube channel and all he does is film police around town. Interesting that he just happens to be the first on scene as it's happening.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI9GcxVdrTbDfHi405_68rQ
RblDiver
03-22-2021, 17:16
A number of my coworkers live in the Boulder area. This news was making the rounds in the office.
A witness says they had just left the store after checking out and heard what sounded like fireworks. The witness says a guy was wearing tactical gear carrying an “AR-15 style weapon.” The witness says they ran back inside and told people about the shooter outside, ran into the back of the store and left through delivery entrance. The witness says they ran to the fire station down the street, it wasn’t open so they found a business to shelter in. The witness said the shooter was in the parking lot, and they were unclear if he entered the store.
I'm gonna bet that witness couldn't tell an AR from a Blunderbuss, or a GAU 8
Just remember...
Never let a good crisis go to waste..
The witness says they ran to the fire station down the street, it wasn’t open so they found a business to shelter in.
Safe bet Tfogger. That fire station is several blocks away. "Witness" be speaking out his butt.
The guy has a you tube channel and all he does is film police around town. Interesting that he just happens to be the first on scene as it's happening.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI9GcxVdrTbDfHi405_68rQ
Why do people that have to film cops doing their job have to be so retarded? Reminds me of the yellow onesy on the 16th street mall.
Plus the guy works/worked at KT BBQ.
Boulder Police news conference scheduled for 6 p.m., should be live via various channels.
https://abcnews.go.com/Live
https://denver.cbslocal.com/live/cbsn-denver/
HunterCO
03-22-2021, 17:54
Why do people that have to film cops doing their job have to be so retarded? Reminds me of the yellow onesy on the 16th street mall.
Plus the guy works/worked at KT BBQ.
They do it because they are looking for a confrontation and then they can post on youtube how they know their rights. I carry every day open never an issue but I dont take my m16 to town even though its legal and I can do it. Children is the best I can explain it they are lacking in some department and have to make up for it in some way.
.455_Hunter
03-22-2021, 18:11
6 dead.
Great-Kazoo
03-22-2021, 18:18
How the hell is anyone's 1st thought during a shooting "I better live stream this on youtube!"
Easy. better to get clicks, than take action. Same for that video of someone in boulder? getting attacked / stabbed in a clothing store, some ears back. people took the time to film it and not one decided to say to them self. OH i could do this or that. But fuk it i'll film it instead.
Hmm. AWB and mag limit laws tossed by the courts and this happens...
Gifford center reporting wait times reduced suicides on fox 31 last night.
Record gun sales.
Hasn't been a multiple casualty event by a lunatic in a while.
How did the white criminal only end up with a bloody leg? Black criminal would be in a bag... but they can't have a black involved in multiple casualty event otherwise skin color would divert attention from rifle color.
people took the time to film it and not one decided to say to them self. OH i could do this or that. But fuk it i'll film it instead.
And why should they risk injury or worse for a random stranger? Collect evidence for those whose job it is to protect and serve.
colorider
03-22-2021, 18:35
Atlanta last week, now this. Prepare for Biden and Congress to have some fast acting bullshit roaring our way.
And why should they risk injury or worse for a random stranger? Collect evidence for those whose job it is to protect and serve.Aren't they risking injury or worse while sticking around to film it?
Sent from somewhere
Atlanta last week, now this. Prepare for Biden and Congress to have some fast acting bullshit roaring our way.
What happened in Atlanta?
Hmm. AWB and mag limit laws tossed by the courts and this happens...
Gifford center reporting wait times reduced suicides on fox 31 last night.
Record gun sales.
Hasn't been a multiple casualty event by a lunatic in a while.
How did the white criminal only end up with a bloody leg? Black criminal would be in a bag... but they can't have a black involved in multiple casualty event otherwise skin color would divert attention from rifle color.
Besides Georgia last week.
What happened in Atlanta?
Some white guy went in and shot up a bunch of asian massage parlours and killed 6 people I think.
Some white guy went in and shot up a bunch of asian massage parlours and killed 6 people I think.
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hollohas
03-22-2021, 18:46
EVERYONE showed up to this one.
Saw a tac team get put on the roof using the FD ladder truck.
Now, don't consider this throwing stones folks, but instead a serious question. What the heck were they going to do on the roof? VERY few single story commercial buildings have roof access from inside. Virtually all of them have roof access from a locked ladder attached to the side of the building somewhere.
Snipers on the roof across the street? Sure, ok. On the roof of a multi-story building with stair access to inside? That makes sense too.
Seems like being on the roof here would take them out of the game.
.455_Hunter
03-22-2021, 18:48
Does anybody have an updated KIA count?
eddiememphis
03-22-2021, 18:48
6 dead.
I'm sure it was the gun's fault.
Not the idiot that pulled the trigger.
EVERYONE showed up to this one.
Saw a tac team get put on the roof using the FD ladder truck.
Now, don't consider this throwing stones folks, but instead a serious question. What the heck were they going to do on the roof? VERY few single story commercial buildings have roof access from inside. Virtually all of them have roof access from a locked ladder attached to the side of the building somewhere.
Snipers on the roof across the street? Sure, ok. On the roof of a multi-story building with stair access to inside? That makes sense too.
Seems like being on the roof here would take them out of the game.
The King Soopers there is daylit by multiple skylights, part of their "green" energy remodel they did a few years back. They would have been able to see inside the store from the roof.
Some white guy went in and shot up a bunch of asian massage parlours and killed 6 people I think.
I got caught up. Really surprised that didn't come across my news feed at all.
.455_Hunter
03-22-2021, 18:55
The reason to ask about fatalities is that the numbers are all over the place. Just wondering if people had seen a more reputable summary.
hollohas
03-22-2021, 18:55
The King Soopers there is daylit by multiple skylights, part of their "green" energy remodel they did a few years back. They would have been able to see inside the store from the roof.Ah, gotcha. That makes total sense.
hollohas
03-22-2021, 18:57
One Boulder officer was killed according to JeffCo Sheriff.
hollohas
03-22-2021, 19:00
Anyone recall a DA taking over the press conference like this guy just did?
EVERYONE showed up to this one.
Saw a tac team get put on the roof using the FD ladder truck.
Now, don't consider this throwing stones folks, but instead a serious question. What the heck were they going to do on the roof? VERY few single story commercial buildings have roof access from inside. Virtually all of them have roof access from a locked ladder attached to the side of the building somewhere.
Snipers on the roof across the street? Sure, ok. On the roof of a multi-story building with stair access to inside? That makes sense too.
Seems like being on the roof here would take them out of the game.
It's a grocery store, they have refrigeration equipment up there, there's a roof hatch and no external ladder I see on Google. They were bringing up a demo saw up to cut their way into the roof hatch.
EVERYONE showed up to this one.
Saw a tac team get put on the roof using the FD ladder truck.
Now, don't consider this throwing stones folks, but instead a serious question. What the heck were they going to do on the roof? VERY few single story commercial buildings have roof access from inside. Virtually all of them have roof access from a locked ladder attached to the side of the building somewhere.
Snipers on the roof across the street? Sure, ok. On the roof of a multi-story building with stair access to inside? That makes sense too.
Seems like being on the roof here would take them out of the game.
Don't know how credible it is, but one person talking to a local reporter stated some police came in from the roof.
Anyone recall a DA taking over the press conference like this guy just did?
He's your next Dem candidate for some high office.
Speculating but it's a little suspicious that the Boulder AR-15 ban was just struck down. Would it be beyond an anti gun activist to engage in a mass shooting as a statement?
VNgunfighter
03-22-2021, 20:07
Sad deal guys...my son and I were heading there together some supplies and my phone blew up.
Glad we didn't!
It is a block away from our house and the Flight for Life helicopters landed at the High School (Fairview)
I turned on the HAM radio, SWAT took over the net and all radio operations I could hear.
Around 330pm 6 dead and 1 officer, and they were planning a potential breach at some point. Everything else was just operations chatter through the SWAT CP.
Sad day, for Boulder :(
I use to work at a Laundromat at a same Table Mesa King Soopers shopping plaza/center on weekends. It was around 1997 (~24 years ago)
https://i.imgur.com/ILPRCEL.jpeg
.455_Hunter
03-22-2021, 20:18
Reviewing video footage and radio traffic, it appears three individuals were deceased outside the building- one in the parking lot (discovered during post event sweep), one on the vehicle entrance road, and one on the wheelchair ramp. There was one person just inside the doors, and the LEO was not very far inside based on radio comms.
It is not a coincidence that these things are starting to let up as the pandemic lets up. Only, I'm not really on the conspiracy boat (not going to say anything is completely impossible) but it really seems that when society is unstable and faced with challenges, these nuts are sufficiently preoccupied for whatever reason that they don't crack. But, when times are good and life is normal, then it starts happening again. And that may be a key...when they feel like things are awesome for everyone else or aomething, but not them (speculation) or any number of possibilities, but I dont think the link is accidental. If something like 9/11 happened again we might also see a drop in active shooters. The question is....what is up that "good times" in society are the underlying risk factor.
BPTactical
03-22-2021, 20:33
May the Lord show mercy on the victims of this senseless act.
Condolences to the families.
Regardless of your views on LE, Boulder PD did right today, immediately entered the store to engage and exchanged fire with the perp.* They likely saved lives at the sacrifice of one of there own.
RIP Officer.
*FWIW I listened to this entire incident from the gitgo. BPD was on scene within 4 minutes after the 1st call. They immediately entered the store to engage.
hollohas
03-22-2021, 20:39
BPD Chief revised to 10 killed.
https://twitter.com/boulderpolice/status/1374185372037623811
Now I'm confused, is he in custody?
Just wondering, watching the News Bulletin about a shooting in Boulder, Colorado at a King Soopers. It had picture of some of the victims, and stated that the President has been briefed. How come they don't have a News Bulletin when there is a shooting in Chicago when a kid under 10 is killed along with 5 or 6 other incidence by-standers? Could it be that the major News services are themselves racists, or just don't care!
funkymonkey1111
03-22-2021, 20:49
This is your perp.
Thomas Hayner, may you die a heinous death
https://youtu.be/mA2CkVRSIdM
Fucker was well known to PD
how is that related to boulder? Mitch Morrissey hasn't been DA since 2017 and that video is from 2015
Speculating but it's a little suspicious that the Boulder AR-15 ban was just struck down. Would it be beyond an anti gun activist to engage in a mass shooting as a statement?
Agreed.
HunterCO
03-22-2021, 20:55
Now I'm confused, is he in custody?
That makes two of us wtf does he have to do with the Boulder incident?
Hmm. AWB and mag limit laws tossed by the courts and this happens...
Gifford center reporting wait times reduced suicides on fox 31 last night.
Record gun sales.
Hasn't been a multiple casualty event by a lunatic in a while.
How did the white criminal only end up with a bloody leg? Black criminal would be in a bag... but they can't have a black involved in multiple casualty event otherwise skin color would divert attention from rifle color.
Suddenly in the last week or so there have been a mess of mass shootings that have made the news.
BPTactical
03-22-2021, 20:56
how is that related to boulder? Mitch Morrissey hasn't been DA since 2017 and that video is from 2015
It appears that my original "suspect information" was indeed suspect.
Redacted
.455_Hunter
03-22-2021, 20:57
That name came across the scanner and his picture matches the suspect in cuffs with the bloody leg.
hollohas
03-22-2021, 21:01
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Anybody else get that creepy "Private Pyle" vibe from FMJ?
Yup.
Apologies for any confusion.
Story is from 2015
He is the suspect in custody.
Just illustrating who the perp is and the fact that he no stranger to LE.
Prohibited person to boot.
Anybody else get that creepy "Private Pyle" vibe from FMJ?
Copy, thanks.
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Do you suppose he got shot in the right nut?
GilpinGuy
03-22-2021, 21:21
Do you suppose he got shot in the right nut?
Too bad it wasn't the right temple.
This dude seems like he's unhinged. Like most of these events he'll most likely be a mental case, on some prescribe meds, recently off of prescribed meds, etc.
Apologies for any confusion.
Story is from 2015
He is the suspect in custody.
Just illustrating who the perp is and the fact that he no stranger to LE.
Prohibited person to boot.
Anybody else get that creepy "Private Pyle" vibe from FMJ?
I forgot entire movie on how FMJ was. I watched "Private Pyle" compilations clips.
Yeah that guy resembles "Private Pyle"
JohnnyDrama
03-22-2021, 21:26
QUOTE=.455_Hunter;2323203]Political comment- Seems too perfect after recent legal and political events.[/QUOTE]
I had this on my mind as well. I was thinking "What dumbass shoots up a grocery store?"
Then this popped up
https://youtu.be/mA2CkVRSIdM
Dude is not all there....
VNgunfighter
03-22-2021, 21:30
WTF guys...
PVT Pyle killed his DI and himself...
Are we really going to reference movies and fictitious people...during this real assault on humans??
Great-Kazoo
03-22-2021, 21:50
WTF guys...
PVT Pyle killed his DI and himself...
Are we really going to reference movies and fictitious people...during this real assault on humans??
When a few members on a gun forum, see a person who bears a close resemblance to someone from a movie, why not?
VNgunfighter
03-22-2021, 21:56
Well I am asian....if the guy that shot up King Soopers today was asian I can only imagine the memes/visuals that would come out of this...lol
Or a Black guy...All the black "bad" villains in the movies...
I live 1 block away from this Bullshit...SO some white guys did this.. Can I call him a "white supremacy fanatic"....OR just some dumbass who is fucking nuts?
Well I am asian....if the guy that shot up King Soopers today was asian I can only imagine the memes/visuals that would come out of this...lol
Or a Black guy...All the black "bad" villains in the movies...
I live 1 block away from this Bullshit...SO some white guys did this.. Can I call him a "white supremacy fanatic"....OR just some dumbass who is fucking nuts?
Sounds like you have issues in general. No one was making any of this about race. No one. Comparing this to a fictional character is way different from blaming an entire race.
Well I am asian....if the guy that shot up King Soopers today was asian I can only imagine the memes/visuals that would come out of this...lol
Or a Black guy...All the black "bad" villains in the movies...
I live 1 block away from this Bullshit...SO some white guys did this.. Can I call him a "white supremacy fanatic"....OR just some dumbass who is fucking nuts?
Sounds like we are neighbors, I walk to that store all the time. How about just calling him an asshole. The guy should have self aborted and took one to his own head before he left his house,
Well I am asian....if the guy that shot up King Soopers today was asian I can only imagine the memes/visuals that would come out of this...lol
Or a Black guy...All the black "bad" villains in the movies...
I live 1 block away from this Bullshit...SO some white guys did this.. Can I call him a "white supremacy fanatic"....OR just some dumbass who is fucking nuts?
All regardless of race would be worthless evil scum that need to face their creator.
VNgunfighter
03-22-2021, 22:21
Sounds like we are neighbors, I walk to that store all the time. How about just calling him an asshole. The guy should have self aborted and took one to his own head before he left his house,
I don't have issues with race, just guys posting shit on fictitious realities that aren't real.....thats what's gets me. If that's the way you want o deal with it , them I'm cool with it.
We all deal with it in our own way....and that's OK too.
I support all these comments and what DEF90 said he is an asshole for sure. TOTAL asshole for sure.
I'm just lucky 8 year old son was dragging ass and didn't want to go to KS today @ the exact time this started (it takes us 3 minutes to get there from our place and the time stamps are all around 2:50ish),....If we did, it would have been a total different scenario...I don't know.
.455_Hunter
03-22-2021, 23:00
I support all these comments and what DEF90 said he is an asshole for sure. TOTAL asshole for sure.
I'm just lucky 8 year old son was dragging ass and didn't want to go to KS today @ the exact time this started (it takes us 3 minutes to get there from our place and the time stamps are all around 2:50ish),....If we did, it would have been a total different scenario...I don't know.
The key question is would you have been able to do anything if you had been there?
GilpinGuy
03-22-2021, 23:23
Sorry to derail here.
VN....you wrote that you're Asian. My wife is as well. When I mentioned this event to her she immediately asked if it was an attack on Asians. She has the impression that there is a plague of anti-Asian violence in the US right now. I can think of a few events that have happened since the rona started, but the MSM would make you think thousands have been slaughtered. The Georgia event MAY have been a racial thing, but that's not clear. If that asshole really had a "sex addiction" as he claimed and fed it at those places, maybe not. He could just be another whacko who should have auto asphyxiated instead.
I guess I'm wondering if you think there's a giant wave of anti-Asian violence running wild in America. Maybe there are things that have happened I don't know about
I don't have issues with race, just guys posting shit on fictitious realities that aren't real.....thats what's gets me. If that's the way you want o deal with it , them I'm cool with it.
We all deal with it in our own way....and that's OK too.
I support all these comments and what DEF90 said he is an asshole for sure. TOTAL asshole for sure.
I'm just lucky 8 year old son was dragging ass and didn't want to go to KS today @ the exact time this started (it takes us 3 minutes to get there from our place and the time stamps are all around 2:50ish),....If we did, it would have been a total different scenario...I don't know.
I'm glad too, that you didn't go to KS today. Even if armed a person with a child is going run like hell rather than engage a shooter with a rifle.
My cousin lives a mile from the Table Mesa store and his family shops there frequently. I was there only once last year but I always carry when shopping for veggies at Kings. (You never know about those killer jalapenos).
Many killers who go after innocents end up offing themselves after killing one or two or three people. I expect the shock, the moral consequence of what they did overwhelms them. This shooter had no morality left to contain his murderous impulse. A common characteristic of mass shooters is that they target the most vulnerable innocent people and they aim for notoriety. Isn't that why the coward picked the Table Mesa King Soopers? Maybe he just didn't think about finding an assisted living home?
Delfuego
03-22-2021, 23:24
Sounds like you have issues in general.
You don't know what the f*** you are talking about. VNgunfighter is rock solid. I would give him the shirt off my back. 100% GTG as the saying goes.
funkymonkey1111
03-22-2021, 23:47
You don't know what the f*** you are talking about. VNgunfighter is rock solid. I would give him the shirt off my back. 100% GTG as the saying goes.
Good for you. However, he does sound like he has issues in general, whether you're blind to it or not
GilpinGuy
03-23-2021, 00:01
While satire, this is so f-ing spot on. And I don't think this was put out as a reaction to Boulder today, just a coincidence, but I could be wrong.
https://babylonbee.com/news/uncertain-how-bad-mass-shooting-is-until-authorities-release-details-of-everyones-skin-color
Sorry to derail here.
VN....you wrote that you're Asian. My wife is as well. When I mentioned this event to her she immediately asked if it was an attack on Asians. She has the impression that there is a plague of anti-Asian violence in the US right now. I can think of a few events that have happened since the rona started, but the MSM would make you think thousands have been slaughtered. The Georgia event MAY have been a racial thing, but that's not clear. If that asshole really had a "sex addiction" as he claimed and fed it at those places, maybe not. He could just be another whacko who should have auto asphyxiated instead.
I guess I'm wondering if you think there's a giant wave of anti-Asian violence running wild in America. Maybe there are things that have happened I don't know about
My wife is also not white, and we've had similar conversations. Basically, people say stupid stuff to her, or treat her like shit when I'm not standing next to her and our daughter. I suspect that is mostly because the kind of coward who does that, wouldn't say a damn thing in the presence of a large male being around.
Wow, guess I slept thru it, wife just told me about it. Unreal. I can't even say anything to the victims and their families......
So - asking the LEO's and other professionals here - IF a citizen were to find himself a witness to such madness - SHOULD he grab his weapon and attempt to intercede?
I mean - yeah, I carry - but I also roll heavy. SHOULD a citizen grab his vehicle rifle and run towards the danger? In theory - of course you should. But in reality, SHOULD you?
SHOULD one grab the AR in their back seat and try to engage the shooter? Or would you just likely get shot by the cops?
My opinion is that with that many people around, you ARE going to be mistaken as another bad guy. Maybe only momentarily, but it WILL happen. (The number of people shooing back in these situations is low enough that maybe some people will feel comfortable with that level of risk, but something to consider).
Also, even if eventually people understand that you are protecting them, how many of them will have the wherewithall to correctly describe what you're wearing/look like as the "good guy" compared to just the "other guy with a gun?"
That said, I wouldn't expect myself to think those things through before any action/no-action, and I wouldn't expect that of anyone else either.
BPTactical
03-23-2021, 05:08
WTF guys...
PVT Pyle killed his DI and himself...
Are we really going to reference movies and fictitious people...during this real assault on humans??
Merely a reference to an appearance of similarity meant to illustrate the "crazy factor" VN.
R.I.P. Officer Eric Talley. May your name never be forgotten. A true hero. As for the perpetrator, his name should be forgotten and never spoke of again. May the Lord cast angels to look over the families of the fallen and be with them in their time of grief.
Bailey Guns
03-23-2021, 06:00
Wow, guess I slept thru it, wife just told me about it. Unreal. I can't even say anything to the victims and their families......
So - asking the LEO's and other professionals here - IF a citizen were to find himself a witness to such madness - SHOULD he grab his weapon and attempt to intercede?
I mean - yeah, I carry - but I also roll heavy. SHOULD a citizen grab his vehicle rifle and run towards the danger? In theory - of course you should. But in reality, SHOULD you?
SHOULD one grab the AR in their back seat and try to engage the shooter? Or would you just likely get shot by the cops?
I'll give you my opinion...and that's all it is:
Unless someone you personally care about (including yourself) is directly threatened, I wouldn't. Has nothing to do with being a coward or needing to "nut up" as others put it. It has to do with unintended consequences...especially in today's society. Not only do you risk harm to yourself...which may present great harm to family/friends with you...but you risk all sorts of other issues. Just remember, you're responsible for every bullet you fire. And if a wayward bullet misses the bad guy and goes thru the bread aisle into an innocent that you can't see, it's still your bullet.
One good thing can come out of you getting involved. The bad guy is stopped, one way or another.
A million bad things can come out of it. Some that will ruin you financially, ruin your family, cost you everything you own or kill you. Or worse, maybe kill someone you care about.
I'd recommend you be a GOOD witness...they're really hard to come by in situations like this, regardless of how many witnesses there are.
I'll give you my opinion...and that's all it is:
Unless someone you personally care about (including yourself) is directly threatened, I wouldn't. Has nothing to do with being a coward or needing to "nut up" as others put it. It has to do with unintended consequences...especially in today's society. Not only do you risk harm to yourself...which may present great harm to family/friends with you...but you risk all sorts of other issues. Just remember, you're responsible for every bullet you fire. And if a wayward bullet misses the bad guy and goes thru the bread aisle into an innocent that you can't see, it's still your bullet.
One good thing can come out of you getting involved. The bad guy is stopped, one way or another.
A million bad things can come out of it. Some that will ruin you financially, ruin your family, cost you everything you own or kill you. Or worse, maybe kill someone you care about.
I'd recommend you be a GOOD witness...they're really hard to come by in situations like this, regardless of how many witnesses there are.
I agree, unless there is no other option I don't think you get involved. There's a lot of things that could go sideways and you may think you have a handle on the what the situation is but you could be incredibly wrong. In any circumstance like that you are going to be operating on extremely limited data which makes any action all that more risky.
Bailey Guns
03-23-2021, 06:19
I don't give a shit, but when the dude is actively shooting people, maybe it's time to nut up and get in there.
Just wondering... Did Officer Eric Talley, apparently the first officer on scene, "nut up" enough for you?
.455_Hunter
03-23-2021, 06:51
Nominal order of events based on radio traffic...
https://www.9news.com/mobile/article/news/crime/boulder-king-soopers-shooting-police-radio-traffic/73-e45f4125-3006-4d08-b895-321dfc113326
Bailey Guns
03-23-2021, 07:24
First call dispatched at 2:32. Officers making entry into the store and reporting people down at 2:36. That's a maximum of four minutes from the time the call was aired until officers were on scene and making entry. That's a pretty incredible response in my opinion.
BPTactical
03-23-2021, 07:25
Radio feed, 4:40 in is the first call
https://garchives1.broadcastify.com/32030/20210322/202103221528-155633-32030.mp3
Yeah, he nutted up.
hollohas
03-23-2021, 07:27
Yup. It doesn't get any better than that unless an officer is there when it starts.
LE response was fast and massive.
Bailey Guns
03-23-2021, 07:39
And from the limited radio traffic I've heard the dispatchers did an incredible job of passing information in a calm and professional manner. Nice work...
.455_Hunter
03-23-2021, 07:47
I would suspect that all civilian casualties occured in the period prior to LE engagement. RIP Officer Talley- the true citizens of the Boulder region honor your sacrifice.
I am sorry, I hate conspiracy theories, but the coincidences of the whole event are just too perfect. Spree shooting at a main grocery store in a politically connected progressive mecca just days after a judge invalidated their local AWB and during a time of intense national legislative and executive pressure on gun control.
FromMyColdDeadHand
03-23-2021, 07:56
I don’t think it’s conspiracies. I think it’s just the left always has in their back pocket I push on gun control. There’s stuff at the federal level, their stuff at the state level, there ended up being some at the local level here. The fact that the legislation never actually addresses or would’ve prevented what happened is often lost on both sides. Granted the AWB here is a bit different. The only real conspiracy angle is that the left never lets a horrible incident like this to lay there without being used to advance their cause.
Martinjmpr
03-23-2021, 08:05
I would suspect that all civilian casualties occured in the period prior to LE engagement. RIP Officer Talley- the true citizens of the Boulder region honor your sacrifice.
I read SOTI (somewhere on the internet) that most "mass shooting" events last less than 5 minutes before either LE responds or the shooter takes himself out. I think the VA Tech shooting was the rare exception where it lasted something like a half hour or an hour at multiple locations but that's uncommon.
My point being that unless you are physically there, by the time you "hear about" a mass shooting, the shooting is likely over.
IIRC the main "lesson" of Columbine, where the responding officers (following policies that were in effect at that time) waited for backup before going in, was to change that policy and now the policy is that the first officer on the scene goes in, regardless of whether he has backup, because every second that the shooter goes unchallenged is an opportunity for him to shoot more people.
.455_Hunter
03-23-2021, 08:12
I read SOTI (somewhere on the internet) that most "mass shooting" events last less than 5 minutes before either LE responds or the shooter takes himself out. I think the VA Tech shooting was the rare exception where it lasted something like a half hour or an hour at multiple locations but that's uncommon.
My point being that unless you are physically there, by the time you "hear about" a mass shooting, the shooting is likely over.
IIRC the main "lesson" of Columbine, where the responding officers (following policies that were in effect at that time) waited for backup before going in, was to change that policy and now the policy is that the first officer on the scene goes in, regardless of whether he has backup, because every second that the shooter goes unchallenged is an opportunity for him to shoot more people.
Agree 100%. The key recent times that has not happened have been in Florida- The Pulse nightclub and Stoneman Douglass HS come to mind, with active killing occuring inside while armed response was staying outside.
Ahmad Alissa 21 years old just named as the shooter.
BPTactical
03-23-2021, 08:45
Ahmad Alissa 21 years old just named as the shooter.
Well, that may just change the narrative.
.455_Hunter
03-23-2021, 08:49
Ahmad Alissa 21 years old just named as the shooter.
Any media sources yet?
Any media sources yet?
Came straight from the press conference a few minutes ago.
He is from Arvada
BPTactical
03-23-2021, 08:55
https://m.facebook.com/ahmad.alissa.794
Great-Kazoo
03-23-2021, 09:01
Well, that may just change the narrative.
Of course it has. Which (IMO) is why they didn't plaster, ANOTHER CRAZED RWNJ, kills poc's headline Yet.
So what gun was used, or have i missed that in the media reports.
UrbanWolf
03-23-2021, 09:01
Well, that may just change the narrative.
Really don’t know why that changes anything, they just blame the tool.
.455_Hunter
03-23-2021, 09:06
https://m.facebook.com/ahmad.alissa.794
Can somebody post a full screen capture of that before it poofs? I can't on my phone.
Great-Kazoo
03-23-2021, 09:07
Really don’t know why that changes anything, they just blame the tool.
Why because it doesn't fit the anti - gun , political, media driven agenda. Of ALL WHITES ARE CRAZED, RACIST, KILLERS
The Vegas shooter never fit the narrative. Which is why, outside of the annual, Remembrance . The story has all but disappeared.
As of today. What exactly does anyone know about that guy. Other than he spent lots of money on guns, and liked to gamble?
What was his political affiliation? he most definitely was not a NRA, Trump, Republican. Or that would still be a story, today.
Same for the black guy who shot up his work place. As well as Ft Hood. Other than a blip in some gun violence statistic. NOTHING about those 2 shooters is ever mentioned, when it comes to "mass shootings"
Unlie Mcveigh, Charlottesville and others.
Boulder about to roll out the sympathy card for the oppressed shooter..
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So what was up with the other guy in cuffs and bleeding?
So what was up with the other guy in cuffs and bleeding?
That was him
hollohas
03-23-2021, 09:23
They work fast. FB page is gone.
Is that confirmed to be him (FB)? For anyone without search experience, theres usually anywhere from 10-300+ people that share the same name. I dont want to make the same mistake that others have, such as when a user of this forum shared a name with the theater shooting.
Great-Kazoo
03-23-2021, 09:24
Can somebody post a full screen capture of that before it poofs? I can't on my phone.
AND it's been removed.
funkymonkey1111
03-23-2021, 09:24
Ahmad Alissa 21 years old just named as the shooter.
now that sounds like one of those Asian names
UrbanWolf
03-23-2021, 09:24
Why because it doesn't fit the anti - gun , political, media driven agenda. Of ALL WHITES ARE CRAZED, RACIST, KILLERS
The Vegas shooter never fit the narrative. Which is why, outside of the annual, Remembrance . The story has all but disappeared.
As of today. What exactly does anyone know about that guy. Other than he spent lots of money on guns, and liked to gamble?
What was his political affiliation? he most definitely was not a NRA, Trump, Republican. Or that would still be a story, today.
Same for the black guy who shot up his work place. As well as Ft Hood. Other than a blip in some gun violence statistic. NOTHING about those 2 shooters is ever mentioned, when it comes to "mass shootings"
Unlie Mcveigh, Charlottesville and others.
Las Vegas shooting disappeared from the news is more likely because of rich and influential gambling industry owners, who told the media to stop covering it so they don’t lose visitors. Hell they probably own huge share in the media too.
funkymonkey1111
03-23-2021, 09:27
Why because it doesn't fit the anti - gun , political, media driven agenda. Of ALL WHITES ARE CRAZED, RACIST, KILLERS
The Vegas shooter never fit the narrative. Which is why, outside of the annual, Remembrance . The story has all but disappeared.
As of today. What exactly does anyone know about that guy. Other than he spent lots of money on guns, and liked to gamble?
What was his political affiliation? he most definitely was not a NRA, Trump, Republican. Or that would still be a story, today.
Same for the black guy who shot up his work place. As well as Ft Hood. Other than a blip in some gun violence statistic. NOTHING about those 2 shooters is ever mentioned, when it comes to "mass shootings"
Unlie Mcveigh, Charlottesville and others.
Nor the Pulse/Orlando shooting where one of Ahmad Al Issa's brothers shot up a gay nightclub
KevDen2005
03-23-2021, 09:27
I'll give you my opinion...and that's all it is:
Unless someone you personally care about (including yourself) is directly threatened, I wouldn't. Has nothing to do with being a coward or needing to "nut up" as others put it. It has to do with unintended consequences...especially in today's society. Not only do you risk harm to yourself...which may present great harm to family/friends with you...but you risk all sorts of other issues. Just remember, you're responsible for every bullet you fire. And if a wayward bullet misses the bad guy and goes thru the bread aisle into an innocent that you can't see, it's still your bullet.
One good thing can come out of you getting involved. The bad guy is stopped, one way or another.
A million bad things can come out of it. Some that will ruin you financially, ruin your family, cost you everything you own or kill you. Or worse, maybe kill someone you care about.
I'd recommend you be a GOOD witness...they're really hard to come by in situations like this, regardless of how many witnesses there are.
I'm going to add on to this. I think conceal carry is excellent especially in this type of situation. The last thing you want to be is a target, especially if you're outgunned. I love the idea of a truck gun a lot. Having responded to multiple events like this now I would say that the amount of resources that the metro area provides is going to be a lot and a good thing that agencies want to help. Ultimately, having been in that situation I can tell you there can be too many resources, initially. Command posts and entry teams can only handle so much personnel. Again this is good. I would rather have too much than not enough. As I mentioned last night the guys and gals that initially responded are going to be emotionally and physically exhausted after only a few hours of working the inside. The additional help will be welcomed to take over the scene when things slow down to give the initial responders breaks.
Back to the truck gun. I say all the other stuff to say in a rural community maybe you need to get it. Who knows how far help is and how overwhelmed one or two shooters can make a community. Look at the Texas church a few years ago. That citizen grabbed a rifle. They had time to engage before help arrived. They had time to update law enforcement during response. The first officer on scene used that citizen to cover the bad guy until more help arrived. So back to infantry school....you grabbing additional equipment is all dependent on METT-T (Check out FM 7-8)
Again my opinion is that the concealed weapon you carry is for your protection or loved ones. If you feel you can safely intervene and not be misidentified by LE (who is not going to have a ton of information especially on initial response) then do what you think is necessary, no one can make that decision for you. Keep in mind your safety, the safety of loved ones around you, your limited supplies, and what legal consequences look like if you misjudge the situation or misidentify the suspect. Citizen witnesses have reported more innocent people as being involved in a crime than I would like to count (not out of malice but because they see something and focus on one thing) so as a CCW holder and a person aware of their surroundings we ask you that be a good one when many will not be. Cops may be running in and need good information and people to pass that on. Looking at cameras may not be something that can happen for a while. Mobilizing SWAT teams takes time. Organizing groups of more than 10 cops from outside juridictions in an orderly manner takes time. Piecing together an initial story and getting response takes minutes but those minutes seem like hours especially to the victims and those holding a camera to judge everything about the situation later.
Just my opinion.
KevDen2005
03-23-2021, 09:29
Nor the Pulse/Orlando shooting where one of Ahmad Al Issa's brothers shot up a gay nightclub
Didn't the kid that shot the STEM school a couple years ago fall off the face of the Earth. Haven't heard much about that too.
Is that confirmed to be him (FB)? For anyone without search experience, theres usually anywhere from 10-300+ people that share the same name. I dont want to make the same mistake that others have, such as when a user of this forum shared a name with the theater shooting.
Yes, it was him.
Just to be clear the other guy who?s video link got posted was the asshole at the second location calling the cops and taunting them. UNRELATED to the shooting
BPTactical
03-23-2021, 09:36
Full name Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa
ruthabagah
03-23-2021, 09:40
Full name Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa
That won’t fit cnn’s narrative.... has to be a middle aged white man!
BPTactical
03-23-2021, 09:42
Facebook already nuked his page.....
.455_Hunter
03-23-2021, 10:03
Just to be clear the other guy who?s video link got posted was the asshole at the second location calling the cops and taunting them. UNRELATED to the shooting
That's what is confusing- the guy in the old new story (Hayner) looks just like the guy stripped and cuffed being led out of the store.
.455_Hunter
03-23-2021, 10:04
Facebook already nuked his page.....
I made it to my laptop in time...
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So, now it's a hate crime right?
KevDen2005
03-23-2021, 10:05
So, now it's a hate crime right?
I laughed out loud. Uh yeah, it will be.
GilpinGuy
03-23-2021, 10:10
So Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa is the guy in cuffs with the bleeding leg? I thought maybe it was Hayner and he was wounded and arrested when the cops found him because he had the warrants out for him.
GilpinGuy
03-23-2021, 10:11
I made it to my laptop in time...
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His favorite quote is ironic.
BPTactical
03-23-2021, 10:12
So Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa is the guy in cuffs with the bleeding leg? I thought maybe it was Hayner and he was wounded and arrested when the cops found him because he had the warrants out for him.
It appears Hayner was the one making antagonistic phone calls to PD from the apartment on 17th St.
BPTactical
03-23-2021, 10:13
His favorite quote is ironic.
Yeah it is, was that not the call sign of the officer that was KIA?
.455_Hunter
03-23-2021, 10:14
It appears Hayner was the one making antagonistic phone calls to PD from the apartment on 17th St.
Then who is the Hayner clone on parade in front of the store? That sure ain't no 21 year old wrestler.
So if Hayner actually was the person at the Grove St. address we might guess he was arrested, but there was no mention of an arrest. I wonder if they'll put them in the same cell together?
disciple1977
03-23-2021, 10:27
That is him. My son wrestled with him at Arvada West.
.455_Hunter
03-23-2021, 10:33
That is him. My son wrestled with him at Arvada West.
I guess he let himself go in college based on yesterday's picture.
disciple1977
03-23-2021, 10:36
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The suspect looked like mid 50 ish on the news feed.
BPTactical
03-23-2021, 10:42
Retaliation for Joe's actions against Syria?
Regardless of the facts, politician's already tweeting "this is our time" about gun control. The poor families were not even notified before these corrupt fools started "diagnosing" their "cure"...
disciple1977
03-23-2021, 11:02
Yeah it is, was that not the call sign of the officer that was KIA?
138 was his weight class.
kidicarus13
03-23-2021, 11:36
Of course it has. Which (IMO) is why they didn't plaster, ANOTHER CRAZED RWNJ, kills poc's headline Yet.
So what gun was used, or have i missed that in the media reports."Patrol rifle" per BPD Chief
Hopefully it was lawfully registered with BPD so that... ???
Not to devalue the loss of life or to make humor of this event, but...
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wctriumph
03-23-2021, 12:04
President Biden has already called for banning assault weapons and magazines closing the loop hole for background checks he’s pressing is very very hard right now and the guy is a total douche in my estimation.
UrbanWolf
03-23-2021, 12:09
President Biden has already called for banning assault weapons and magazines closing the loop hole for background checks he?s pressing is very very hard right now and the guy is a total douche in my estimation.
Poor us Coloradans, we will probably get Cali fin grip laws and even more magazine limit here soon.
Poor us Coloradans, we will probably get Cali fin grip laws and even more magazine limit here soon.
It's possible - of course they will not forget the recalls, so let's see what they do next... We KNOW it won't help anything, that's a given. Just like the "no meat" day.
UrbanWolf
03-23-2021, 12:16
It's possible - of course they will not forget the recalls, so let's see what they do next... We KNOW it won't help anything, that's a given. Just like the "no meat" day.
I fear they feel too powerful to fear recall again.
I fear they feel too powerful to fear recall again.
Yeah, I wonder about that - drunk with power.... Disarm the public to protect them from lone wolf gunmen and racist killers - makes all the sense in the world, if you're on LSD...
I do have to wonder though - with all the gun sales over the last year, many going to non-gun owners who vote blue, will the needle move at all? Or is the EBR still the target of all of them.... Probably is, because logic is replaced with emotion, but still. maybe a small wild card. Of course Hope isn't a Strategy...
Bailey Guns
03-23-2021, 12:22
Of course Hope isn't a Strategy...
No...that would be Hope and Change.
No...that would be Hope and Change.
[ROFL1]
jerrymrc
03-23-2021, 12:32
I just fear the Common Sense BS.
colorider
03-23-2021, 12:34
Regarding the gun used, this is a direct quote from the latest 9 news info. ? According to law enforcement databases, Alissa had purchased a Ruger AR-556 pistol on March 16, the affidavit says.?
Link.
https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/boulder-king-soopers-shooting-suspect-ahmad-alissa/73-a1e036a1-37ce-4cba-9837-0eef6e7a2b55
While at it,...... Precogs would wants to question the "Private Pyle" vibe guy too.
https://youtu.be/mA2CkVRSIdM
https://imgix.bustle.com/inverse/cb/0d/58/d4/a2fd/467b/b92f/9fef74fd3792/mrjpg.jpeg?w=1200&h=630&fit=crop&crop=faces&fm=jpg
While at it,...... Precogs would wants to question the "Private Pyle" vibe guy too.
https://youtu.be/mA2CkVRSIdM
https://imgix.bustle.com/inverse/cb/0d/58/d4/a2fd/467b/b92f/9fef74fd3792/mrjpg.jpeg?w=1200&h=630&fit=crop&crop=faces&fm=jpg
Straw purchase? Maybe we should make that illegal.... oh wait......
colorider
03-23-2021, 13:15
Probably was not a straw purchase since they have a record of him buying it. If indeed that is the firearm used in the crime.
Does the killer's assault charge prevent him from firearms purchase? Sounds like he bought it last week.
We have two different bgcs in this state now, what is the point of them if this Syrian guy can buy a gun?
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonimmigrant-alien-who-has-been-admitted-united-states-under-nonimmigrant-visa-and
https://www.atf.gov/qa-category/nonimmigrant-aliens
He moved here when he was 3 years old. He's hardly Syrian.
He moved here when he was 3 years old. He's hardly Syrian.
That is probably considered English (US) as a first language status.
(Not ELS/ESL )
He moved here when he was 3 years old. He's hardly Syrian.
I'd go out on a limb and say he wasn't flyin old glory outside his house. Wouldn't be surprised if he referred to himself as one of those hyphenated folks either. He was born in Syria, that makes him Syrian in my book.
Jumpstart
03-23-2021, 13:36
I wonder what the Syrian shooter would say to that
He moved here when he was 3 years old. He's hardly Syrian.
Before his FB was nuked, and all his family nuked their own, they were nothing but Syrian. Syria this, Syria that. Islam this, Islam that. American as a goat meat cheeseburger from a Damascus street food vendor.
I wonder what the Syrian shooter would say to that
Aloha snackbar?
Before his FB was nuked, and all his family nuked their own, they were nothing but Syrian. Syria this, Syria that. Islam this, Islam that. American as a goat meat cheeseburger from a Damascus street food vendor.
That's the main problem with immigration, they don't come here to take on the American way and culture. They just bring their ideology with them and refuse to melt in our pot.
Typical - the media spreads hate, the political masters propagate differences between us, they break down this nations foundational values, they attack our nation, our police, our military, and our rights. Then they walk around making emotional news reports to feed their pockets. This can't be extreme Islam, that won't fit the narrative they want. ARs are BAD, they do bad things, we need to ban them to be safe because NOBODY should ever feel unsafe...
Meanwhile, Pelosi surrounds herself with military, and our political mushheads defund the police. No secret they'd like to have no local LEO.
I'd go out on a limb and say he wasn't flyin old glory outside his house. Wouldn't be surprised if he referred to himself as one of those hyphenated folks either. He was born in Syria, that makes him Syrian in my book.
Just like a guy who was born here but saying "I am Irish!"
Just like a guy who was born here but saying "I am Irish!"
Yep, same dumbassery!
Anyone think the Syrian shooter shot himself in the leg with the pistol he supposedly had? Mexican carry gone wrong?
Has PD said they actually fired at him? Account I read said they encountered him walking backwards to them in just the shorts.
Just like a guy who was born here but saying "I am Irish!"
They were all born in Syria, except maybe the little brother. Analogy fail.
It wasn't meant for analogy.
If you read the thread above, I knew and replied to suspect being born on age 3, and lived in US rest of his life.
BTW, as for some people who never held a passport and do not know how to distinguish NATIONALITY,
IF you have this, you are Syrian
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/32/Passport_of_Syria.jpg
IF you have this, you are an American (US citizen)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Us_passport_medium_res_transparent.jpg/800px-Us_passport_medium_res_transparent.jpg
IF you have this, you are an Irish
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Eirepas.JPG
If you have this, you can be NORTHERN IRISH. :D
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9e/Britishpassport_UK4.png
newracer
03-23-2021, 14:09
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1374393217844580365
That's the main problem with immigration, they don't come here to take on the American way and culture. They just bring their ideology with them and refuse to melt in our pot.
There is no American culture. The American landscape is as diverse as the French Foreign Legion, if not more. We have a conglomerate of micro-cultures, from sea to shining sea. When I was in the Army I had nothing in common with someone from south Boston except we were both American citizens and both wore the same uniform. They might as well have been from Albania (and we had one of those too). I think I liked the Albanian more, actually. He wasn't a Yankee.
Melting pot ideology as it's commonly meant is retarded and has resulted in no culture at all for many 3rd generation+ citizens. I'm not for it, and it's a relatively recent revisionist bit of history. Otherwise, we wouldn't have things like Little Italy, Chinatown, etc. Rather, cultures should be encouraged to retain who and what they are and at the same time participate in a larger American milieu, which of itself lacks a definable culture. Those unique values, traits, experiences, etc., is truly where we can say "diversity is our strength," when those things truly bring strengthening value to the fore. Mere melanin variations are as worthless as different colors of the same flavor cake. Retention of culture, language, etc., is fine. It allowed our fighting men to call out to, and trick, enemy forces in perfect German since they were only one generation removed from having been wearing the enemy's uniform. It allows a movement beyond the homogeny of singular methods, perspectives, etc. But earlier generations were still cognizant of their Americanness.
But that's not what I saw on those FB pages before they were memory holed. On those pages, I saw people who wanted the homogeny of their culture with the benefit of America; effectively, not contributing their culture but retaining their culture. It's a very distinct difference from what past generations did.
Then again, past generations and immigrants had something, generally, to contribute. I'm not sure that the Middle East has anything to contribute besides test subjects for new war tech.
Before his FB was nuked, and all his family nuked their own, they were nothing but Syrian. Syria this, Syria that. Islam this, Islam that. American as a goat meat cheeseburger from a Damascus street food vendor.
And yet, when his mental illness got away from him, he used a pretty American method of terror.
BTW, as for some people who never held a passport and do not know how to distinguish NATIONALITY,
IF you have this, you are Syrian
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/32/Passport_of_Syria.jpg
IF you have this, you are an American (US citizen)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Us_passport_medium_res_transparent.jpg/800px-Us_passport_medium_res_transparent.jpg
IF you have this, you are an Irish
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Eirepas.JPG
If you have this, you can be NORTHERN IRISH. :D
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9e/Britishpassport_UK4.png
A gov issued piece of paper does not define your ideology or where you were born. The dude was Syrian and from the looks of his social media I saw before it got nuked he was anti American.
I don't care what his papers say, where is heart laid seems pretty obvious.
And yet, when his mental illness got away from him, he used a pretty American method of terror.
Not an American method of terror. This goes on throughout the world. Take a look at mass shootings in France.
Very typical once the DNC media heard the name of the suspect, messaging went from likely white male, white supremacy, MAGA lover to stating they will not announce the suspect name and sole focus on the 'common since' gun control propaganda.
A gov issued piece of paper does not define your ideology or where you were born. The dude was Syrian and from the looks of his social media I saw before it got nuked he was anti American.
I don't care what his papers say, where is heart laid seems pretty obvious.
Subjective stuff doesn't matter. If he has German passport, he might think he is Ottoman for all I care..
So did he confess to you about his heart legion and motive during interrogation??
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hollohas
03-23-2021, 14:55
138 was his weight class.Dude wrestled 138 three years ago and is 200+ and half bald now?
Maybe that's why he was so angry.
colorider
03-23-2021, 15:00
CNN seems to have more information about the suspect. Sounds like the guy has some mental problems.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/23/us/boulder-colorado-shooting-suspect/index.html
Subjective stuff doesn't matter. If he has German passport, he might think he is Ottoman for all I care..
So did he confess to you about his heart legion and motive during interrogation??
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I've been around the block and have seen where many immigrant's allegiances reside, particularly from the "shitholer" countries. I could be wrong, wish I was, but as I originally stated, upon looking at the actual social media before it got wiped, I'd be willing to bet he and the family are no stewards of America or our culture unless it suits them at the moment.
Again maybe I'm wrong... How'd your interrogation go?
BPTactical
03-23-2021, 15:08
CNN seems to have more information about the suspect. Sounds like the guy has some mental problems.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/23/us/boulder-colorado-shooting-suspect/index.html
Of course he does......
CNN seems to have more information about the suspect. Sounds like the guy has some mental problems.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/23/us/boulder-colorado-shooting-suspect/index.html
Gonna go out on a limb and say that people without mental issues don't shoot up grocery stores
colorider
03-23-2021, 15:27
Gonna go out on a limb and say that people without mental issues don't shoot up grocery stores
Well, you certainly are correct, however I was kind of referring to the mental problems mentioned in the article. Thinking people were watching him, kept saying he saw people behind him. You know, mental stuff besides "I am going to shoot people in a King Soopers. "
Well, you certainly are correct, however I was kind of referring to the mental problems mentioned in the article. Thinking people were watching him, kept saying he saw people behind him. You know, mental stuff besides "I am going to shoot people in a King Soopers. "
Don't worry, he has a Muslim name so you can ignore everything else and just chalk the whole thing up to that now. It's the cool thing to do.
CNN seems to have more information about the suspect. Sounds like the guy has some mental problems.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/23/us/boulder-colorado-shooting-suspect/index.html
I haven't seen any indication that he was actually evaluated and diagnosed with mental problems. What what I have seen it's his brother who has stated that he believes the shooter had mental issues. I suspect he had issues, but am not qualified to make that assessment. Kinda like his brother.
You don't have to be an expert to know when people have mental issues, especially if you've been around a person their entire life.
I haven't seen any indication that he was actually evaluated and diagnosed with mental problems. What what I have seen it's his brother who has stated that he believes the shooter had mental issues. I suspect he had issues, but am not qualified to make that assessment. Kinda like his brother.
That's kind of like seeing a completely liquified person after a skydive accident and saying "Well, I'm not qualified to say he's dead, only a doctor can make that pronouncement, so who knows, he might be fine."
I've been around the block and have seen where many immigrant's allegiances reside, particularly from the "shitholer" countries. I could be wrong, wish I was, but as I originally stated, upon looking at the actual social media before it got wiped, I'd be willing to bet he and the family are no stewards of America or our culture unless it suits them at the moment.
Again maybe I'm wrong... How'd your interrogation go?
My interrogation is not going good.
He is in Boulder county.
But I am not ruling out mental illness or some sort of illness.
138 to ~250 in 6seconds.
Severe baldness at age of 21.
Do stupid crazy shit like this.
If it was radicalized turds, the shooter probably already told the interrogator about their agenda/manifesto/ideology.
Either way, this guy needs to get stoned to death by victims families.
CNN seems to have more information about the suspect. Sounds like the guy has some mental problems.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/23/us/boulder-colorado-shooting-suspect/index.html
I'm going out on a limb to say that anyone that randomly shoots up innocent people probably has a mental problem, it doesn't excuse his actions.
My interrogation is not going good.
He is in Boulder county.
But I am not ruling out mental illness or some sort of illness.
138 to ~250 in 6seconds.
Severe baldness at age of 21.
Do stupid crazy shit like this.
If it was radicalized turds, the shooter probably already told the interrogator about their agenda/manifesto/ideology.
Either way, this guy needs to get stoned to death by victims families.
Steroids for muscle building cause hair loss, the guy was a wrestler. Besides, I had the receding hairline beginning to appear at 21ish so it's not out of the realm of possibility.
Don't worry, he has a Muslim name so you can ignore everything else and just chalk the whole thing up to that now. It's the cool thing to do.
My sister's father in law has a Japanses last name and he got sent to WWII camp when he was a little kid.
Who knows next is a people with Armenian last name or Dutch last name who will be judged and go to WWIII Internment Camps.
https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/japanese-american-relocation
That's kind of like seeing a completely liquified person after a skydive accident and saying "Well, I'm not qualified to say he's dead, only a doctor can make that pronouncement, so who knows, he might be fine."
Huge difference between a "liquified person after a skydive accident" and determining what is going on in an individual's mind from a clinical perspective.
I think the point we're splitting hairs over, is that you can tell when someone has something wrong with them pretty easily. What exactly is wrong is a different story, but that something is wrong is not always difficult.
Great-Kazoo
03-23-2021, 16:22
I think the point we're splitting hairs over, is that you can tell when someone has something wrong with them pretty easily. What exactly is wrong is a different story, but that something is wrong is not always difficult.
Be careful with that thought process. Right now, for decades before and for who knows how many years in the future. Anti-gunners believe all gun owners have "something wrong with them"
.455_Hunter
03-23-2021, 16:27
Arrest Affidavit...
https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/59/5c/5f1e05ed486f9dfea6f1bc9503d7/affidavit-for-arrest-warrant-alissa-redacted.pdf
hollohas
03-23-2021, 16:42
That's crazy. Not one description of the guy or where he was matched another.
Bailey Guns
03-23-2021, 16:48
Pretty amazing, isn't it? That's pretty typical of "witnesses"...at least it was in my experience.
So, when is this guy and the Atlanta ass clown getting executed?
whitewalrus
03-23-2021, 17:32
So, when is this guy and the Atlanta ass clown getting executed?
No death penalty here anymore
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whitewalrus
03-23-2021, 17:34
Pretty amazing, isn't it? That's pretty typical of "witnesses"...at least it was in my experience.
I?m sure the trauma of the event has a big deal to do with that. Even without something like this, people seeing the same event tend have slightly different stories afterwards, even if they were paying attention.
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I still want to know how he made it out alive, especially after killing a cop? Are the cops low on ammo and semi-auto is disabled on their pistols?
I would much rather it be in the morgue and taxpayers only having to pay for disposal. But now, tax payers are on the hook for 50+ years of housing, food and medical care. And add on to that the legal fees some slimy defense lawyer we will pay for.
Rooting for prison justice.
Bailey Guns
03-23-2021, 17:54
I?m sure the trauma of the event has a big deal to do with that. Even without something like this, people seeing the same event tend have slightly different stories afterwards, even if they were paying attention.
No doubt. But it's the same even with non-traumatic events. It would sometimes leave me wondering if the various witnesses were even describing the same event.
Bailey Guns
03-23-2021, 17:56
So, when is this guy and the Atlanta ass clown getting executed?
From 1976 to 2020 Colorado executed one person. Ain't gonna happen with this guy or anyone else these days.
Now, Texas, on the other hand...
Jumpstart
03-23-2021, 18:00
Don't worry, he has a Muslim name so you can ignore everything else and just chalk the whole thing up to that now. It's the cool thing to do.
No, the cool thing to do is call the Syrian killer a white male terrorist, just check out the MSM.
From 1976 to 2020 Colorado executed one person. Ain't gonna happen with this guy or anyone else these days.
Now, Texas, on the other hand...
570
Bailey Guns
03-23-2021, 18:05
Yep... In every media outlet story and video I've seen they're stumbling all over themselves to make sure they call this guy a white male.
Zundfolge
03-23-2021, 18:06
I still want to know how he made it out alive, especially after killing a cop?
I'm guessing that since they took him out in shorts and no shirt, considering he went in in "full tactical gear" he probably stripped off his BDUs and body armor and tried to escape as a "victim" and they caught him.
Pure speculation on my part though.
Bailey Guns
03-23-2021, 18:06
538
I saw the statistic as 569. Either way...your life expectancy on death row in TX is substantially shorter than it is in Colorado and many other states.
Bailey Guns
03-23-2021, 18:08
Now I'm seeing 570... See... More by the minute!
[Coffee]
I still want to know how he made it out alive, especially after killing a cop?
How.
Because the police were professionals who followed the law and didn't participate in extra-juridical execution.
I am sure some wanted to, but they remained professional.
Bailey Guns
03-23-2021, 18:10
It doesn't bother me that Oklahoma is the state with the most executions per capita... Right in front of TX.
No, the cool thing to do is call the Syrian killer a white male terrorist, just check out the MSM.
I saw that in an article.
Sorry for this thread to go sideways with execution, but I remember Nathan Dunlap while going to SmokyHills HS (SHHS).
That FOO is still alive!
[guillotine][Jail][Hang]
.455_Hunter
03-23-2021, 18:24
The guy from the United Airlines bombing was executed in around 13 months, an appropriate time for a fair trial and appropriate appeals. I would support a similar timeline in this case.
funkymonkey1111
03-23-2021, 19:36
From 1976 to 2020 Colorado executed one person. Ain't gonna happen with this guy or anyone else these days.
Now, Texas, on the other hand...
You know Colorado doesn't have the death penalty, right?
Now I'm seeing 570... See... More by the minute!
[Coffee]
http://youtu.be/NRmmIVnjqfQ
eddiememphis
03-23-2021, 20:07
Does Ruger make a short barrel AR? I can't find one on their website.
Was a pistol: https://www.ruger.com/products/ar556Pistol/models.html
How's that CO mag limit law and "universal background check" working?
Based on what you hear from the Dems/MSM, you'd think they didn't exist.
eddiememphis
03-23-2021, 20:13
Was a pistol.
How's that CO mag limit law working?
The arrest warrant says Ruger AR-556 pistol.
Bailey Guns
03-23-2021, 20:15
You know Colorado doesn't have the death penalty, right?
From 1976 to 2020 Colorado executed one person. Ain't gonna happen with this guy or anyone else these days.
Yes...I know.
buffalobo
03-23-2021, 20:18
You know Colorado doesn't have the death penalty, right?Does it matter? His point was Colorado didn't execute death penalty last 45 yrs and unlikely to in the future anyway.
BTW, death penalty repeal signed one year ago today.
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eddiememphis
03-23-2021, 20:20
What will the defense lawyer claim?
I can see a case to be made that since he is an immigrant, a person of color and a Muslim, he was in fear for his life from extreme right wing hate and violence.
Bailey Guns
03-23-2021, 20:27
There is ZERO chance he won't be convicted...other than a mental finding. That'll be the angle, I'm guessing.
Send that hideous shithead to Florence, where he can enjoy life without parole and a nice, cushy job in the Commissary, tossing salads.
UrbanWolf
03-23-2021, 20:49
Was a pistol: https://www.ruger.com/products/ar556Pistol/models.html
How's that CO mag limit law and "universal background check" working?
Based on what you hear from the Dems/MSM, you'd think they didn't exist.
This event might just be the trigger to get CO magazine limit law enforced.
Great-Kazoo
03-23-2021, 21:05
This event might just be the trigger to get CO magazine limit law enforced.
Never happen. According to an actual testimony Today of all dates. You can buy them and guns, with no BGC delivered to your door.
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Brule%20Testimony1.pdf
I tell you this story not only to honor my mother, but because tragedies like this can be
prevented.
My mother’s death began with an internet search for a gun. Because of loopholes in our law, it
was perfectly legal to sell them the gun used to kill my mother –– no background check and no
questions asked.
If a strong background check law was in place, I could be having breakfast with my mother
instead of appearing before your Committee.
But today, anyone with an internet connection can exploit the same loophole that killed her, and
browse more than 1 million ads for guns in states that do not require background checks. And,
according to Everytown for Gun Safety, nearly 1 in 9 people who respond to those ads can’t
pass a background check.
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