Mtn.man
12-10-2009, 20:27
I thought you might like an update on the CSU gun ban. I also thought some of the email that I get about this would entertain you, and frustrate you, as much as it does me.
I'm circulating a letter to be signed by other legislators that tells CSU that their proposed policy will violate state law; here is the important part of the letter:
The state law that covers concealed weapons and makes the issue a matter of state-wide concern is found in 18-12-201 and 18-12-214. In the latter, specifically section (4) (a)-(c), it states that concealed carry cannot be denied in public buildings except when three specific criteria are met: 1. permanent screening must be in place, 2. everyone must be screened, and 3. security personnel have to hold the weapons of permit holders while said permit holder is in the restricted building.
The statutes are very clear. This is a matter of state-wide concern and permit holders are allowed to carry in all areas of the state with only listed exceptions. Colorado State University campuses and buildings are public facilities.
At this point, the CSU Board of Governors has instructed the campus Presidents to draw up policy that effectively bans concealed carry.
I actually hope they will do the right thing and reverse direction; if not, I will introduce language to clear up the law so that even liberals can understand it.
And speaking of liberals, I thought you might enjoy some of the exchanges I've had with a few liberals:
Raymond Brown, from Denver, sent me this:
You want to overturn the ban of concealed weapons on CSU campuses. You are truly an irrational, irresponsible lemming of the GOP. You obviously have no common sense or quite frankly even the ability to rationally think. You are a disgrace to Colorado as a representative.
Perhaps you should resign and join the Palin group. They are a bunch of stupid hillbillies just like you. Some time spent 'round the cement pond eat'n Grannie Sarah's home-thought-up vittles of one dimensional thoughts would completely rot your brain, thus allowing you to gracefully die of brain death.
Here is my reply:
You betcha! Thanks for your thoughtful comments.
And my favorite exchange with Richard Leather, also from Denver:
How many crimes or violent incidents in Colorado, over say the past 10 years, have been interdicted by a private gun owner?
On a national basis:
.The U.S. has an estimated 283 million guns in civilian hands (Hepburn), or approximately 97 guns for every 100 people (Karp).
.Each year, about 4.5 million new firearms, including approximately 2 million handguns, are sold in the United States (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF).
.An estimated 2 million secondhand firearms are sold each year as well (ATF).
If there are measurable interventions by private gun owners, including on campus, then weapons on a campus can be argued for with at least minimal justification.
But I do not see evidence that private citizens play any measurable role in prevention of crime or violence. What am I missing?
I sent back this:
You really shouldn't bring a knife to a gun fight, so to speak.
Two quick examples:
Shooting justified/ Woman who wounded intruder within her rights,
0 Comments | Gazette, The (Colorado Springs), Nov 23, 2000 | by Jeremy Meyer
A 72-year-old woman who shot a man allegedly breaking into her Knob Hill home Saturday won't be charged, the 4th District Attorney's Office said Wednesday.
Aurora woman fires at intruder who cops think was serial rapist
By Jim Kirksey
Denver Post Staff Writer
DenverPost.com 9/23/2005
A man police believe may be a serial rapist preying on women in Aurora and Denver narrowly escaped injury when a would-be victim fired a shot at him as he stood in her bedroom doorway, said Sgt. Rudy Herrera of the Aurora Police Department.
The liberal dummy sent this back:
Ah, I see. Once in 2000. Then again in 2005.
QED. Now really, Brophy. Not even in the old sod would that wash.
The issue, moreover, is not guns stashed at home, wielded in face of invasive threat.
It's the rationality of "gunning after" CSU trustees facing the problem of youngsters carrying concealed weapons. Defending one's self all too readily translates to defending from insult. That is a tradition out here that deserves burial.
Pandering to a constituent element at the expense of good governance is no proper part of conservatism.
So I sent him back this:
Ah, I see. Once in 2000. Then again in 2005.
QED. Now really, Brophy. Not even in the old sod would that wash.
The issue, moreover, is not guns stashed at home, wielded in face of invasive threat.
It's the rationality of "gunning after" CSU trustees facing the problem of youngsters carrying concealed weapons. Defending one's self all too readily translates to defending from insult. That is a tradition out here that deserves burial.
Pandering to a constituent element at the expense of good governance is no proper part of conservatism.
Needless to say, he is not very happy with me. Not that I care.
I'll continue to work to resolve this issue and make students and visitors to CSU safer. I'm working closely with Dudley Brown from www.RMGO.org He is really going the extra mile to help the students at CSU. If you are not a member of RMGO, you should be. The other gun groups are good and work hard. RMGO is the best; you can always count on them to side with the Constitution, even if it isn't on a popular issue - no compromising on fundamental rights.
Greg
I'm circulating a letter to be signed by other legislators that tells CSU that their proposed policy will violate state law; here is the important part of the letter:
The state law that covers concealed weapons and makes the issue a matter of state-wide concern is found in 18-12-201 and 18-12-214. In the latter, specifically section (4) (a)-(c), it states that concealed carry cannot be denied in public buildings except when three specific criteria are met: 1. permanent screening must be in place, 2. everyone must be screened, and 3. security personnel have to hold the weapons of permit holders while said permit holder is in the restricted building.
The statutes are very clear. This is a matter of state-wide concern and permit holders are allowed to carry in all areas of the state with only listed exceptions. Colorado State University campuses and buildings are public facilities.
At this point, the CSU Board of Governors has instructed the campus Presidents to draw up policy that effectively bans concealed carry.
I actually hope they will do the right thing and reverse direction; if not, I will introduce language to clear up the law so that even liberals can understand it.
And speaking of liberals, I thought you might enjoy some of the exchanges I've had with a few liberals:
Raymond Brown, from Denver, sent me this:
You want to overturn the ban of concealed weapons on CSU campuses. You are truly an irrational, irresponsible lemming of the GOP. You obviously have no common sense or quite frankly even the ability to rationally think. You are a disgrace to Colorado as a representative.
Perhaps you should resign and join the Palin group. They are a bunch of stupid hillbillies just like you. Some time spent 'round the cement pond eat'n Grannie Sarah's home-thought-up vittles of one dimensional thoughts would completely rot your brain, thus allowing you to gracefully die of brain death.
Here is my reply:
You betcha! Thanks for your thoughtful comments.
And my favorite exchange with Richard Leather, also from Denver:
How many crimes or violent incidents in Colorado, over say the past 10 years, have been interdicted by a private gun owner?
On a national basis:
.The U.S. has an estimated 283 million guns in civilian hands (Hepburn), or approximately 97 guns for every 100 people (Karp).
.Each year, about 4.5 million new firearms, including approximately 2 million handguns, are sold in the United States (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF).
.An estimated 2 million secondhand firearms are sold each year as well (ATF).
If there are measurable interventions by private gun owners, including on campus, then weapons on a campus can be argued for with at least minimal justification.
But I do not see evidence that private citizens play any measurable role in prevention of crime or violence. What am I missing?
I sent back this:
You really shouldn't bring a knife to a gun fight, so to speak.
Two quick examples:
Shooting justified/ Woman who wounded intruder within her rights,
0 Comments | Gazette, The (Colorado Springs), Nov 23, 2000 | by Jeremy Meyer
A 72-year-old woman who shot a man allegedly breaking into her Knob Hill home Saturday won't be charged, the 4th District Attorney's Office said Wednesday.
Aurora woman fires at intruder who cops think was serial rapist
By Jim Kirksey
Denver Post Staff Writer
DenverPost.com 9/23/2005
A man police believe may be a serial rapist preying on women in Aurora and Denver narrowly escaped injury when a would-be victim fired a shot at him as he stood in her bedroom doorway, said Sgt. Rudy Herrera of the Aurora Police Department.
The liberal dummy sent this back:
Ah, I see. Once in 2000. Then again in 2005.
QED. Now really, Brophy. Not even in the old sod would that wash.
The issue, moreover, is not guns stashed at home, wielded in face of invasive threat.
It's the rationality of "gunning after" CSU trustees facing the problem of youngsters carrying concealed weapons. Defending one's self all too readily translates to defending from insult. That is a tradition out here that deserves burial.
Pandering to a constituent element at the expense of good governance is no proper part of conservatism.
So I sent him back this:
Ah, I see. Once in 2000. Then again in 2005.
QED. Now really, Brophy. Not even in the old sod would that wash.
The issue, moreover, is not guns stashed at home, wielded in face of invasive threat.
It's the rationality of "gunning after" CSU trustees facing the problem of youngsters carrying concealed weapons. Defending one's self all too readily translates to defending from insult. That is a tradition out here that deserves burial.
Pandering to a constituent element at the expense of good governance is no proper part of conservatism.
Needless to say, he is not very happy with me. Not that I care.
I'll continue to work to resolve this issue and make students and visitors to CSU safer. I'm working closely with Dudley Brown from www.RMGO.org He is really going the extra mile to help the students at CSU. If you are not a member of RMGO, you should be. The other gun groups are good and work hard. RMGO is the best; you can always count on them to side with the Constitution, even if it isn't on a popular issue - no compromising on fundamental rights.
Greg