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eddiememphis
04-07-2021, 13:10
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/biden-to-issue-executive-order-requiring-background-checks-for-so-called-ghost-guns/
Curious to see how this will work.
Funny. I guess when the FFL logs the serial number they can just put n/a.
It also says he wants to put restrictions on people convicted of domestic violence. I guess I was under the false assumption that someone convicted of that was already a prohibited person.
So if an 80% lower is a "Ghost Gun" anyone know where I can pickup a 79% lower?
So if an 80% lower is a "Ghost Gun" anyone know where I can pickup a 79% lower?
Thailand
Do i do a background on printed guns?
Completely unenforceable since all my prints were done before bumbling bidens pen scratched some nonsense
Great-Kazoo
04-07-2021, 16:38
And it's now OOS across every web site selling them.
Thankfully, due to hunterco's rants about the government coming after you. Or was that the one about covid, or diesel fuel?
I decided to not buy any non-serialized gun parts, from any on line site [ROFL3]
Hmm I think it would be a candidate for a conservative appellate court. Problem with "registering" is it will probably require serialization and all the other components of mfg, which makes his executive order in fact, an outright ban. I think even in moderate courts how they proceed here has a tenuous future, at best.
Send out stimulus checks and announce gun legislation. Once again the Democrats have done their part to boost gun sales to a new level. I?m sure there?s some irony in there somewhere.
Any ideas how this could fall under an executive order? I imagine he could have his new BATFE chief issue new guidance that an 80% part is actually a firearm. That would shut it down until challenged in court.
What other law do you think they would try to use to base the exec order off of?
JohnnyDrama
04-07-2021, 19:15
Like many others, I never saw the appeal of an 80% lower until now.
Thailand
You can pick up lots of stuff in Thailand.
hollohas
04-07-2021, 19:39
It could be 80%, 76%, 25%...doesn't matter. The only way any restriction would ever have teeth is if they banned home manufacture completely -> require ALL guns must have traceable serial #'s. Nothing less has any teeth at all.
There is no way to determine if a home made gun started at "80%" or somewhere less than that. Only thing an 80% restriction would slow would be online sales. But the people always find a way. Affordable desktop CNC mills like the Ghost Gunner will become commonplace. People will continue to make guns at home, one way or another. It's part of our culture now.
If they banned home manufacture completely with a felony if caught in possession of un-numbered gun...that would convince many to stop. (But these tyrants won't do that, at least not yet. Because it would literally require a gun confiscation or paid registration of all existing un-numbered guns. They're not quite ballsy enough to try that yet).
But an 80% ban? That's meaningless.
85793
100% sitting on top of a 0%
hollohas
04-07-2021, 20:09
Haha. Exactly.
Great-Kazoo
04-07-2021, 20:16
Any ideas how this could fall under an executive order? I imagine he could have his new BATFE chief issue new guidance that an 80% part is actually a firearm. That would shut it down until challenged in court.
What other law do you think they would try to use to base the exec order off of?
If falls under an EO due to the d's knowing IGF it was as any law he's done an EO on since taking office. It would not pass, or pass with harris being the tie breaker. The D's referendum on gun violence would sputter in congress, especially with a few D's from red states seats being on the line.
Great-Kazoo
04-07-2021, 20:22
It could be 80%, 76%, 25%...doesn't matter. The only way any restriction would ever have teeth is if they banned home manufacture completely -> require ALL guns must have traceable serial #'s. Nothing less has any teeth at all.
There is no way to determine if a home made gun started at "80%" or somewhere less than that. Only thing an 80% restriction would slow would be online sales. But the people always find a way. Affordable desktop CNC mills like the Ghost Gunner will become commonplace. People will continue to make guns at home, one way or another. It's part of our culture now.
If they banned home manufacture completely with a felony if caught in possession of un-numbered gun...that would convince many to stop. (But these tyrants won't do that, at least not yet. Because it would literally require a gun confiscation or paid registration of all existing un-numbered guns. They're not quite ballsy enough to try that yet).
But an 80% ban? That's meaningless.
If a person with the education of a kindergarten kid, sitting in a cave in Afghanistan . Can make a rifle over a fire that shoots fairly well out to say 6-800 yards. What's to stop anyone with a drill press from making a gun. Hell if a guy can make an AK receiver from a shovel. ANYTHING is possible with American Ingenuity .
My question is . Who exactly will the anti-law enforcement administration going to get. To go door - door in search of ANY firearm. made at home, or a legit mfg?
Sure there's some hard core anti-gun door kickers out there.
But what does one think their success rate will be. If they don't get past the second block, in a gun friendly neighborhood.
I forgot, I'm sure there's thousands who will turn in their 80% builds. And why not? There's forum members who have posted they'd turn their guns in.
Oh well ,Once again gun owners are our own worse enemy.
If falls under an EO due to the d's knowing IGF it was as any law he's done an EO on since taking office. It would not pass, or pass with harris being the tie breaker. The D's referendum on gun violence would sputter in congress, especially with a few D's from red states seats being on the line.
Sorry, my point is you can?t make new laws with an EO. So the EO needs to specify the way a current law will be enforced or it has to fall under a power already given to the executive branch. That?s what I?m asking about. It isn?t a gun, so what law will they be using as a basis for the EO?
hollohas
04-07-2021, 21:38
Sorry, my point is you can?t make new laws with an EO. So the EO needs to specify the way a current law will be enforced or it has to fall under a power already given to the executive branch. That?s what I?m asking about. It isn?t a gun, so what law will they be using as a basis for the EO?The EO will be to order the ATF to reconsider their administrative policies and rulings. Laws mean nothing anymore. Everything is done administratively.
This garbage almost made me buy a couple of parts.
Resisted the urge though.
Circuits
04-07-2021, 22:51
This garbage almost made me buy a couple of parts.
Resisted the urge though.
I won't buy parts. If I need them, I know how to make or scrounge them.
Great-Kazoo
04-07-2021, 23:54
Sorry, my point is you can?t make new laws with an EO. So the EO needs to specify the way a current law will be enforced or it has to fall under a power already given to the executive branch. That?s what I?m asking about. It isn?t a gun, so what law will they be using as a basis for the EO?
They're democrats & liberals.
They don't need any law. All they need is their emotions to justify, what ever they do.
What's their mantra?
Never let the truth get in the way, of your emotions.
colorider
04-08-2021, 00:00
Ghost Guns.... Pistol braces, and probably some other silly shit is going to come out of an executive order on Thursday. Here is my thinking. Border crisis is a disaster. Biden and Harris are silent. Hunter Biden is releasing a book with how much of a fucking degenerate he is. The Whitehouse needs a distraction to deflect these current media situations at hand. His big "executive order on Thursday" is going be a media distraction just long enough for Joe or Kamala to get some dipsiterry press release out. They have been silent too long. My guess is Obama is on vacation and hasn't responded to their text or phone calls for what to do. The Supreme Court is going to be busy for a while after Joe blabbers and signs his bullshit.. That is a fact.
Meanwhile I am packing my bags and heading to Idaho to have a nice weekend with SheapdogResponse training. MERICA
If a person with the education of a kindergarten kid, sitting in a cave in Afghanistan . Can make a rifle over a fire that shoots fairly well out to say 6-800 yards. What's to stop anyone with a drill press from making a gun. Hell if a guy can make an AK receiver from a shovel. ANYTHING is possible with American Ingenuity .
My question is . Who exactly will the anti-law enforcement administration going to get. To go door - door in search of ANY firearm. made at home, or a legit mfg?
Sure there's some hard core anti-gun door kickers out there.
But what does one think their success rate will be. If they don't get past the second block, in a gun friendly neighborhood.
I forgot, I'm sure there's thousands who will turn in their 80% builds. And why not? There's forum members who have posted they'd turn their guns in.
Oh well ,Once again gun owners are our own worse enemy.
I don't know what you're talking about. I don't even own any guns to turn in. Those $50 gift cards to the iStore will have to go to some other lucky bastard.
ETA: Realistically of course, their success is in driving people to basements or what not, and not passing on their hobby to grandkids etc., and in denying the generational succession. 1 Generation = 25 years, which goes by pretty fast. That's the end game.
Latest news is saying he will issue directives to develop a policy within 30-60 days for ghost guns, red flag, and possibly arm braces.
They use interesting language about the ghost guns, describing them as kits. That sounds more like the Polymer80 situation where they were raided for selling the 80% plus all of the small parts in one kit.
I really hope the administration get?s its dick smacked in federal court. The unfortunate part is the amount of time it will take between them declaring the King?s law and the courts standing up for constitutional rights. One one hand I?m not happy that this clown show is ramming more EOs up our asses. On the other hand, I hope they get smacked down so the law of the land is established once again.
.455_Hunter
04-08-2021, 06:43
How come progressives can get a legal injunction on a conservative action before the signature ink is dry, but it takes years (if ever) for conservatives to get a legal injunction on a progressive action?
How come progressives can get a legal injunction on a conservative action before the signature ink is dry, but it takes years (if ever) for conservatives to get a legal injunction on a progressive action?
Because the Republic died somewhere around the Civil War and we've been living in its host corpse like parasites as a society.
Never let the truth get in the way, of your emotions.
I would say "Never let the FACT get in the way, of your emotions."
Truth can often be what one believes. It can be factually incorrect, but someone believes it to be truthful.
That is how progressives justify that their emotion are truth; to them emotions are truth. Yet many progressive truths are factually wrong.
kidicarus13
04-08-2021, 11:09
Looks like Biden spoke on the topic today. I don't have the details.
eddiememphis
04-08-2021, 11:40
Looks like Biden spoke on the topic today. I don't have the details.
"No amendment to the constitution is absolute"
...followed by anecdotes and platitudes.
another sign that Biden's mind is gone. Apparently when he was introducing the new head of ATF, he kept saying the "AFT".
He won't last much longer. Bank it!
Four more Pinocchio?s on the way for Biden.
From the very beginning, you couldnt own any weapon you wanted to own.
So they begin by mis-stating (lying) about what the 2nd amendment provides. They use that to re-define our rights to meet their narrative. Then they claim that they arent infringing upon the 2nd.
Wrong. Your lies about what the amendment has always meant are the basis of your infringement.
So exactly how are they going to enforce the ghost gun problem?
Rucker61
04-08-2021, 18:47
And it's now OOS across every web site selling them.
Thankfully, due to hunterco's rants about the government coming after you. Or was that the one about covid, or diesel fuel?
I decided to not buy any non-serialized gun parts, from any on line site [ROFL3]
Some wag posted that this is part of Biden's plan to stimulate the economy.
Isn't asking for an ID to run a background check racist?
Isn't asking for an ID to run a background check racist?
No, because you have to be a citizen to buy a firearm. Oh, wait...
Definitely racist
Gun control is racist and classist
No, because you have to be a citizen to buy a firearm. Oh, wait...
Definitely racist
You don't actually have to be a citizen, but you do have to be here legally.
My bad, was intended as sarcasm
eddiememphis
04-10-2021, 08:19
So exactly how are they going to enforce the ghost gun problem?
The only practical way is to ban sales of 80% lowers and kits. No idea how to stop a 3D printer.
If there is legislation on it there will likely be a deterrent built in like a huge penalty if caught with one, 20 years and $100k or something like that.
.455_Hunter
04-10-2021, 08:51
What defines a kit?
Would any spare parts now become a "firearm" and require a BCG from a dealer to get a spare firing pin, spring or set of wood grips?
In would also assume that part kits for something like a STEN would also be verboten?
What defines a kit?
Would any spare parts now become a "firearm" and require a BCG from a dealer to get a spare firing pin, spring or set of wood grips?
In would also assume that part kits for something like a STEN would also be verboten?
That?s the goal. Regardless of what they say.
hollohas
04-10-2021, 21:13
That's what worries me the most. I'm starting to hear the term "kit" way too much from these anti's. I think they want us to believe they're talking about 80% kits (incomplete lower sold w/ tools, jig, etc.) but in reality I think they are going to target as many things as they can call "kits". Assembled uppers? LPKs? Complete kits minus lower?
They can't stop people from rolling their own. But they can make it more difficult for them by making as many parts as possible hard to get.
Want to print or machine your own? No problem. You won't be able to find a LPK anywhere. You'll have to order "spare parts" individually. Want to slap a new upper on an existing lower? No problem, you just won't find any commercially available complete uppers. You'll have to assemble your own from "spare parts".
Yeah, ^ this sounds super dumb and ineffective at doing anything. And that's exactly why I'm worried they might do something like this. They'll tell us it's no big deal. You can still buy ALL the parts you want to build your own. You're a true gun hobbiest and will have no trouble piecing it out from spare parts. It's only the ignorant bad guys that buy any sort of kit anyway. Bad guys won't go through the effort of assembling a gun from spare parts so it will make it harder for them to get guns. That's what they'll tell us anyway.
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