View Full Version : So why is this a thing?
.455_Hunter
12-28-2022, 10:21
Colorado will launch its new Missing Indigenous Person Alert program on Friday- The MIPA will work similar to Colorado's AMBER Alerts, Senior Alerts, and others
https://www.denver7.com/news/local-news/colorado-will-launch-its-new-missing-indigenous-person-alert-program-on-friday
I understand alerts for missing children and those with diminished mental capacity like dementia or mental illness, but why do "indigenous" persons get a special category? Seems pretty racist to me.
kidicarus13
12-28-2022, 10:33
https://www.9news.com/article/news/politics/bill-would-create-state-office-missing-and-murdered-indigenous-people/73-c9bd95ca-a757-4c81-812d-6eeec6edec3b
Lopez is the Rural and Indigenous Program Manager for CCASA, and said she recognizes that resources can be lacking when it comes to serving justice for those impacted by violent crime.
"We have represented in our Coloradans hundreds of tribal nations of folks who call Colorado home, who also experienced violence and also are experiencing a lack of our supportive resources and responses that have those cultural components," she said.
"Too few of us were aware that this problem existed and how extraordinarily disproportionately this kind of crime impacts Indigenous Coloradans and Indigenous Americans across the country," Danielson said.
SB22-150?is sponsored by three state lawmakers: Sen. Jessie Danielson (D-Jefferson), Rep. Monica Duran (D-Jefferson) and Rep. Leslie Herrod (D-Denver).
TEAMRICO
12-28-2022, 10:41
I can turn these off on my phone as well I assume?
A missing person is a missing person. Pointless.
I can turn these off on my phone as well I assume?
A missing person is a missing person. Pointless.
I have disabled them all. Always irrelevant when they come.
.455_Hunter
12-28-2022, 11:05
"We have represented in our Coloradans hundreds of tribal nations of folks who call Colorado home, who also experienced violence and also are experiencing a lack of our supportive resources and responses that have those cultural components,"
"Too few of us were aware that this problem existed and how extraordinarily disproportionately this kind of crime impacts Indigenous Coloradans and Indigenous Americans across the country,"
Sounds like a bunch of racially biased doublespeak. It will be an interesting discussion when the first "non-indigenous" family is denied such an alert because the missing person is not a member of an entitled class. Standby by for other "preferred" groups to claim they need special alerts too.
This sort of thing is exactly why we have increasing racial tensions in this country- divide the population and put certain groups on a pedestal for special attention.
BPTactical
12-28-2022, 11:06
Hey!
They got rid of Mt Evans so now they gave us MissinInjuns.
https://youtu.be/KcE_HwzWFVk
eddiememphis
12-28-2022, 12:47
I don't see anything to be upset about on this one.
There were no increases in taxes. The funding for the new department comes from the general fund, around $600k.
It is an attempt to coordinate local, state, Federal and Tribal authorities on missing person or unsolved murder cases.
Native women are many more times more likely to be victims of violence, rape and murder than the rest of the population.
I dislike governmental expansion in most cases. This one I can live with.
.455_Hunter
12-28-2022, 12:56
I don't see anything to be upset about on this one.
There were no increases in taxes. The funding for the new department comes from the general fund, around $600k.
It is an attempt to coordinate local, state, Federal and Tribal authorities on missing person or unsolved murder cases.
Native women are many more times more likely to be victims of violence, rape and murder than the rest of the population.
I dislike governmental expansion in most cases. This one I can live with.
I have no issue with a program to help coordinate LE and tribal authorities for missing persons in those communities. I have the issue with the public alerts being designated solely for this specific racial group. Race has not been a consideration for any of the other alert criteria. All available tools should be available for all races based on the criteria of the situation.
OneGuy67
12-28-2022, 13:22
Besides for the alert system, the bill requires the hiring of two CBI Agents and one Analyst to work MMIR cases, under the newly hired director in another department of the CDPS.
Tribal police are not well funded or trained, comparatively, and generally do not network with other tribes.
There have been a few cases where an unidentified indigenous woman's body was found within another tribe's borders, and it took a lot longer than it should've to figure out who they were. A lot of indigenous women get abducted every year, most wind up dead, and a lotta people don't really seem to care.
Anyway, this new system hopes to overcome past communications issues. That's pretty much all it's designed to do. If a white woman's body is found on the reservation they'll probably call the FBI. FBI doesn't care about dead Native women so much... that's for the tribal police to figure out.
.455_Hunter
12-28-2022, 13:52
Anyway, this new system hopes to overcome past communications issues. That's pretty much all it's designed to do.
Except that they say it will be used similar to the Amber and Silver alerts executed currently, which is a broad spectrum notification. Sorry Mr. and Mrs. Johnson of Highlands Ranch- We know your adult daughter didn't make it home from work yesterday and is missing, but we can't use this new alert protocol since she isn't "indigenous".
eddiememphis
12-28-2022, 14:16
Except that they say it will be used similar to the Amber and Silver alerts executed currently, which is a broad spectrum notification. Sorry Mr. and Mrs. Johnson of Highlands Ranch- We know your adult daughter didn't make it home from work yesterday and is missing, but we can't use this new alert protocol since she isn't "indigenous".
https://bja.ojp.gov/library/publications/national-ashanti-alert-network-fact-sheet
Sure they can. It is call an "Ashanti" alert.
"...the federal Ashanti Alert Act of 2018, which establishes a voluntary nationwide communication network to aid in the search and recovery of missing persons between the ages of 18 and 64..."
I agree that all these different alerts tend to take the edge off of each other and lessen the supposed importance of all of them, to the public.
I question the effectiveness of any of them, other than to law enforcement.
I have never seen anyone go running outside with binoculars after one was issued.
.455_Hunter
12-28-2022, 14:25
https://bja.ojp.gov/library/publications/national-ashanti-alert-network-fact-sheet
Sure they can. It is call an "Ashanti" alert.
"...the federal Ashanti Alert Act of 2018, which establishes a voluntary nationwide communication network to aid in the search and recovery of missing persons between the ages of 18 and 64..."
I agree that all these different alerts tend to take the edge off of each other and lessen the supposed importance of all of them, to the public.
I question the effectiveness of any of them, other than to law enforcement.
I have never seen anyone go running outside with binoculars after one was issued.
So why can't they use the Ashanti Alert for indigenous persons instead of a whole new category based solely on race?
So why can't they use the Ashanti Alert for indigenous persons instead of a whole new category based solely on race?
Because, vote buying
kidicarus13
12-28-2022, 15:13
FBI doesn't care about dead Native women so much... that's for the tribal police to figure out.
That's not what Hollywood tells us...
Cory Lambert is a wildlife officer who finds the body of an 18-year-old woman on an American Indian reservation in snowy Wyoming. When the autopsy reveals that she was raped, FBI agent Jane Banner arrives to investigate. Teaming up with Lambert as a guide, the duo soon find that their lives are in danger while trying to solve the mystery of the teen's death.
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eddiememphis
12-28-2022, 15:37
So why can't they use the Ashanti Alert for indigenous persons instead of a whole new category based solely on race?
Because, vote buying
Yes, pandering for votes, also virtue signalling.
Possibly a fear of getting scalped.
Tribal police are not well funded or trained, comparatively, and generally do not network with other tribes.
There have been a few cases where an unidentified indigenous woman's body was found within another tribe's borders, and it took a lot longer than it should've to figure out who they were. A lot of indigenous women get abducted every year, most wind up dead, and a lotta people don't really seem to care.
Anyway, this new system hopes to overcome past communications issues. That's pretty much all it's designed to do. If a white woman's body is found on the reservation they'll probably call the FBI. FBI doesn't care about dead Native women so much... that's for the tribal police to figure out.
What Clint said. Minority group with a massive overrepresentation in crimes committed against Women and kids. I?m all for helping solve that issue. There aren?t going to be resources pulled from other missing minority groups. Not sure why anyone would be upset with helping find missing people.
.455_Hunter
12-28-2022, 17:47
Minority group with a massive overrepresentation in crimes committed against Women and kids. I?m all for helping solve that issue. There aren?t going to be resources pulled from other missing minority groups. Not sure why anyone would be upset with helping find missing people.
All of that is fine expect for why they need a race based alert system when others are already available. I have no issues with funds being directed towards problem areas.
That's not what Hollywood tells us...
Cory Lambert is a wildlife officer who finds the body of an 18-year-old woman on an American Indian reservation in snowy Wyoming. When the autopsy reveals that she was raped, FBI agent Jane Banner arrives to investigate. Teaming up with Lambert as a guide, the duo soon find that their lives are in danger while trying to solve the mystery of the teen's death.
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The problem did not disappear because Hell-Wood made a movie.
What Clint said. Minority group with a massive overrepresentation in crimes committed against Women and kids. I?m all for helping solve that issue. There aren?t going to be resources pulled from other missing minority groups. Not sure why anyone would be upset with helping find missing people.
Duplicative government function. Why do it once when doing twice costs more but ends with the same result.
Government waste. $600k diverted from being used elsewhere. The Indians could cooperate without the extra money. An alert can be sent without creating a new system. But if you have ever been in the 4 corners area, tribe vs tribe hatred and segregation.
This is nothing but $600k being flushed for votes and the appearance of doing something.
Duplicative government function. Why do it once when doing twice costs more but ends with the same result.
Government waste. $600k diverted from being used elsewhere. The Indians could cooperate without the extra money. An alert can be sent without creating a new system. But if you have ever been in the 4 corners area, tribe vs tribe hatred and segregation.
This is nothing but $600k being flushed for votes and the appearance of doing something.
The $ isn?t going to fight some dumb foreign war, give free healthcare to illegal aliens, or funding a gender fluid studies program, it?s being used to coordinate with the various Sovereign Nations that exist within our Nation. If it ends up not recovering a single missing person and all the money goes to pay for a Politicians drug habit, then it will have been $ wasted, but until then, at face value it?s a noble cause.
Turned off the Amber Alert. Turned off the Silver Alert. Will turn off Indigenous Person Alert.
No problem.
Typically the missing native people are ignored and don't get noticed by news and other reporting agencies. While I am almost always against racial based things of this nature...in this case I do see grounds for a need.
That's not what Hollywood tells us...
Cory Lambert is a wildlife officer who finds the body of an 18-year-old woman on an American Indian reservation in snowy Wyoming. When the autopsy reveals that she was raped, FBI agent Jane Banner arrives to investigate. Teaming up with Lambert as a guide, the duo soon find that their lives are in danger while trying to solve the mystery of the teen's death.
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Trivia: Link to Yellowstone.
JohnnyDrama
12-30-2022, 10:12
Duplicative government function. Why do it once when doing twice costs more but ends with the same result.
Government waste. $600k diverted from being used elsewhere. The Indians could cooperate without the extra money. An alert can be sent without creating a new system. But if you have ever been in the 4 corners area, tribe vs tribe hatred and segregation.
This is nothing but $600k being flushed for votes and the appearance of doing something.
Winner, winner....
From the Four Corners area. The FBI leaves tribal issues to the tribes and the tribes don't communicate much between themselves. Sovereignty, cultural identity, heritage, and all that.... Sure the government could expand existing programs to include missing indigenous people but then the missing person would be treated just like another missing person. We can't have the cultural distinctions being blurred.
Identity politics.
I understand the problem. There are ways to leverage what we already have to resolve it.
Respectfully, a LOT of young indigenous women go missing every year. A widely disproportionate number. Serial predators seem to view them as disposable and know the tribal police lack the resources to conduct a proper investigation, and consider their risk of being caught rather low.,
Respectfully, a LOT of young indigenous women go missing every year. A widely disproportionate number. Serial predators seem to view them as disposable and know the tribal police lack the resources to conduct a proper investigation, and consider their risk of being caught rather low.,
Agreed. I would likely have issues if this were being done for just about any other demographic. This seems to actually be needed.
Agreed. I would likely have issues if this were being done for just about any other demographic. This seems to actually be needed.
IMO, it is no different than having a specific program or resources set aside to help homeless Vets. Some groups are more susceptible or vulnerable than others when it comes to certain issues, or, have specific needs. Here?s just a few examples of when specific groups might be better assisted by specialization as opposed to a one size fits all approach.
Battered Womens Shelter vs A Battered Spouse Shelter
Toys For Tots vs Goodwill or Similar Donation Centers
Nursing Home vs Orphanage
WIC vs Food Stamps/EBT
.455_Hunter
12-31-2022, 11:55
IMO, it is no different than having a specific program or resources set aside to help homeless Vets. Some groups are more susceptible or vulnerable than others when it comes to certain issues, or, have specific needs. Here?s just a few examples of when specific groups might be better assisted by specialization as opposed to a one size fits all approach.
Battered Womens Shelter vs A Battered Spouse Shelter
Toys For Tots vs Goodwill or Similar Donation Centers
Nursing Home vs Orphanage
WIC vs Food Stamps/EBT
None of those have a raced based distinction.
.455_Hunter
01-03-2023, 14:55
And we get our first one...
https://www.denver7.com/news/local-news/cbi-issues-alert-for-missing-indigenous-person-in-denver-area
A 27 year old dude missing in Denver Metro is a perfect example of reservation-focused crime against women and children. [facepalm]
None of those have a raced based distinction.
I know. I believe it is a fools errand to not make race based distinctions.
I hear they are calling them "Feather Alerts" in California. I kid you not!
OneGuy67
01-05-2023, 09:42
So why can't they use the Ashanti Alert for indigenous persons instead of a whole new category based solely on race?
We do not have the Ashanti Alert here in Colorado. We have the AMBER Alert since 2002, Missing Senior Citizen Alert since 2006, Missing Persons with Developmental Disabilities Alert since 2007, Blue Alert since 2011, Medina Alert since 2014, Endangered Missing/Media Alert since forever (the first and the catch all) and now the Missing Indigenous Person Alert since last week.
We do not have the Ashanti Alert here in Colorado. We have the AMBER Alert since 2002, Missing Senior Citizen Alert since 2006, Missing Persons with Developmental Disabilities Alert since 2007, Blue Alert since 2011, Medina Alert since 2014, Endangered Missing/Media Alert since forever (the first and the catch all) and now the Missing Indigenous Person Alert since last week.
Which one is the silver alert?
OneGuy67
01-06-2023, 12:49
Which one is the silver alert?
The Missing Senior Citizen Alert.
The Missing Senior Citizen Alert.
Ok, wasn?t sure if that was the same thing or not.
Little Dutch
01-07-2023, 00:59
Turned off the Amber Alert. Turned off the Silver Alert. Will turn off Indigenous Person Alert.
No problem.
There is one problem with that; my android turns them back on after every phone update.
Otherwise, yeah, I?ve got mine all turned off as well. As do all my friends, family, and coworkers.
I've seen maybe 2-3 Amber alerts over the years, nothing else. Not really an issue to me. Have no idea how to turn them off anyway.
I've seen maybe 2-3 Amber alerts over the years, nothing else. Not really an issue to me. Have no idea how to turn them off anyway.
I got 8 of them in 1 night for a kid in Pueblo. They wouldn't stop. Since then, they've been turned off.
They may be more effective if they were localized to an extent, but the way they are currently coordinated, they're crying wolf.
.455_Hunter
01-08-2023, 10:05
Let's just say that Raven Payment and I probably wouldn't have a very cordial conversation. What an ungrateful and entitled race baiter. Sounds like something from the local Klan meeting.
https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/community-remembers-wanbli-oyate-vigil-black-elk/73-01856bb9-d5d3-4e59-930a-daf0259589cf
Let's just say that Raven Payment and I probably wouldn't have a very cordial conversation. What an ungrateful and entitled race baiter. Sounds like something from the local Klan meeting.
https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/community-remembers-wanbli-oyate-vigil-black-elk/73-01856bb9-d5d3-4e59-930a-daf0259589cf
What part sounded like a Klan meeting? I?ve never been to one, so I must confess I?m not entirely sure what to look for though.
.455_Hunter
01-10-2023, 16:36
What part sounded like a Klan meeting? I?ve never been to one, so I must confess I?m not entirely sure what to look for though.
Neither have I, but two things rubbed me the wrong way:
Complaining about the time it took to issue the alert (which I guess is fine), but linking that back to some of long standing conspiracy of inaction.
And this...
"In order to have a more culturally robust response, it's confronting those stereotypes and understanding that we're still here and we are just as equal as any other human," Payment said.
You are as equal as any other human, but demand special accommodations?
...all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
Neither have I, but two things rubbed me the wrong way:
Complaining about the time it took to issue the alert (which I guess is fine), but linking that back to some of long standing conspiracy of inaction.
And this...
You are as equal as any other human, but demand special accommodations?
Well, this system was recently implemented and remains in beta phase until they work out the glitches... everyone, including Raven Payment, should understand that.
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