Wait For It...

[eddiememphis]

https://www.thecentersquare.com/colorado/article_c94a456c-b3c9-11ed-a060-6f4acdc37729.html

Colorado Democrats announced the filing of four firearm bills on Thursday and Republicans vowed to oppose the measures.

The Democratic lawmakers say the bills will strengthen Colorado's "red flag law," raise the minimum age to purchase firearms from 18 to 21, institute a three-day waiting period, and remove legal protections for firearm sellers and manufacturers.


The incessant creep of leftism.

They will never stop until they have achieved their dream of an unarmed populace.

[.455_Hunter]

The 18 to 21 bill is a blatant attempt to kill-off future gun owners by making sure children and young adults have minimal legal methods of being exposed to firearms, and hence, will have little interest in being a lawful owner after age 21. They are always working the big picture... [Mad]

[Bailey Guns]

There's nothing new here. This sort of thing is SOP for democrats. When they don't get what they want the first time they just keep trying. This has been going on for years now in Colorado just like it's been going on in the rest of the country where democrats have gained control.

[battlemidget]

We'd save more lives if we raised the driving age to 21.

[Scanker19]

3 days?! Shit here in NM they’re trying for 14.

[.455_Hunter]

Story with links to the bills...

https://www.denver7.com/news/local-news/colorado-lawmakers-unveil-series-of-bills-to-add-more-regulations-around-purchasing-possession-of-firearms

[eddiememphis]

There's nothing new here. This sort of thing is SOP for democrats. When they don't get what they want the first time they just keep trying. This has been going on for years now in Colorado just like it's been going on in the rest of the country where democrats have gained control.

The difference now is the makeup of the Senate and House.

There are not enough Republicans to stop legislation from being passed. House- 46D, 19R. Senate- 23D, 12R.

The Democrat Governor is unlikely to veto the bills. The left leaning Supreme Court is unlikely to strike down the laws.

While not new, the sympathetic press will give little coverage of the bills. What coverage it does receive will be fawning over the dramatic steps taken by the gallant representatives of the people who are making our lives safer through yet more laws.

[eddiememphis]

Story with links to the bills...

https://www.denver7.com/news/local-news/colorado-lawmakers-unveil-series-of-bills-to-add-more-regulations-around-purchasing-possession-of-firearms

From the story linked-

The bill also stipulates that local governments can pass ordinances that would make the waiting period longer than the one described in the bill.

Denver and Boulder can then implement a 180 day waiting period. Or 5 years.

[.455_Hunter]

From the story linked-

The bill also stipulates that local governments can pass ordinances that would make the waiting period longer than the one described in the bill.

Denver and Boulder can then implement a 180 day waiting period. Or 5 years.


That has already been passed in 2021, but point taken. Besides legal injunctions, there is no method to limit the insanity of local activist Karen governments.

[.455_Hunter]

When I was 18-20 in the mid-90's, my friends and I would go shooting at a variety of ranges and NF shooting areas along the northern Front Range. We would have pretty much everything including rimfire, center-fire, rifle, pistol, revolver and shotgun- single shot, manually operated, and semi-auto. Shocking that we were non-criminal citizens engaging in safe and lawful use of firearms- exactly the population who these bills target. This time was critical in expanding my interest in broad spectrum firearms ownership and usage. I doubt my kids will have the same opportunity.

[mb504]

We'd save more lives if we raised the driving age to 21.

Probably more if they raised the voting age to 21.

[beast556]

All of these will be signed into law, there is nothing to stop them now. I'm surprised they didn't add the assault weapons ban in there too.

[.455_Hunter]

All of these will be signed into law, there is nothing to stop them now.


And 90% of Colorado gun owners will have no clue about the new restrictions until they get hemmed-up by them. Sorry to keep harping on the age bill, but the vast majority of young adults who purchase and possess firearms are responsible citizens who do not engage in criminal conduct. However, their rights mean nothing to the Progressives cabal, who actually hold the hood rat or mental defective in higher esteem, because society has "failed them".

[ray1970]

and remove legal protections for firearm sellers and manufacturers.



This part spooks me more than a waiting period or increasing the age to 21.

Not sure how many gun store owners would even want to stay in business knowing they could be held liable for what someone does with a product that they legally sold. And how many manufacturers will just decide that they won?t ship their products to Colorado to avoid dealing with the nonsense in the state?

If this sticks and suddenly manufacturers and sellers can be held liable for how someone else uses the product then where does it stop? Will Jeep be sued in Colorado because a drunk driver was using their product and killed a family of four in an accident?

[DDT951]

This part spooks me more than a waiting period or increasing the age to 21.

Not sure how many gun store owners would even want to stay in business knowing they could be held liable for what someone does with a product that they legally sold. And how many manufacturers will just decide that they won?t ship their products to Colorado to avoid dealing with the nonsense in the state?

If this sticks and suddenly manufacturers and sellers can be held liable for how someone else uses the product then where does it stop? Will Jeep be sued in Colorado because a drunk driver was using their product and killed a family of four in an accident?

That is an interesting question.

If there is case law showing the manufacturer and seller, who complied with all laws, are responsible for the criminal acts of another person who used their product, can case law be used against another product or type of product.

But the intent is to make the risk so high, no one will sell guns in CO.

Much more effective than an
AWB

[.455_Hunter]

This part spooks me more than a waiting period or increasing the age to 21.

Not sure how many gun store owners would even want to stay in business knowing they could be held liable for what someone does with a product that they legally sold. And how many manufacturers will just decide that they won?t ship their products to Colorado to avoid dealing with the nonsense in the state?

If this sticks and suddenly manufacturers and sellers can be held liable for how someone else uses the product then where does it stop? Will Jeep be sued in Colorado because a drunk driver was using their product and killed a family of four in an accident?


What other current products have such legal exposure for lawful manufacturers and dealers? I can't think of anything. Manufacturers putting known defective products market is a different discussion.


My guess is it won't "stop" until all industries/products that are on the Progressive hit list are impacted- guns, ICE vehicles, certain appliances, media content, etc.

[zulu01]

We'd save more lives if we raised the driving age to 21.

And banned alcohol! Not endorsing this option though.

[Erni]

That is an interesting question.

If there is case law showing the manufacturer and seller, who complied with all laws, are responsible for the criminal acts of another person who used their product, can case law be used against another product or type of product.

But the intent is to make the risk so high, no one will sell guns in CO.

Much more effective than an
AWB

I?d love for this liability law to get applied to the politicians making bad laws. Hey your law causes this, pay up sucka. But we all know one law for them and another for us.

[encorehunter]

Does this mean we will be able to sue car manufacturers if we are in an accident?

[eddiememphis]

And 90% of Colorado gun owners will have no clue about the new restrictions until they get hemmed-up by them. Sorry to keep harping on the age bill, but the vast majority of young adults who purchase and possess firearms are responsible citizens who do not engage in criminal conduct. However, their rights mean nothing to the Progressives cabal, who actually hold the hood rat or mental defective in higher esteem, because society has "failed them".

They hold them in higher esteem because they are easier to control. This is not about safety or "if it saves one life, isn't it worth it?". It is about control.


Does this mean we will be able to sue car manufacturers if we are in an accident?

I'll sue J.A. Henckels because I cut my finger cutting onions. And Toro because their mower kicked up a rock and broke a window.

Lawmakers are almost all lawyers. Most lobbyists are lawyers. More laws mean more lawsuits which mean they all make more money.

[Rucker61]

That is an interesting question.

If there is case law showing the manufacturer and seller, who complied with all laws, are responsible for the criminal acts of another person who used their product, can case law be used against another product or type of product.

But the intent is to make the risk so high, no one will sell guns in CO.

Much more effective than an
AWB

Every single firearm sold by a gun shop in Colorado is done with the consent and approval of the state of Colorado. Can't we sue the state for their poor decision process?

[theGinsue]

What other current products have such legal exposure for lawful manufacturers and dealers? I can't think of anything. Manufacturers putting known defective products market is a different discussion.

Fair question.

If they pass this law (and they will) and case law is set from it, can we then sue the various manufacturers of Yoga pants for their products not being used as they were intended (we've all seen the 5'4" 300lb woman in yoga pants make for a woman half her size and eeewwww! Plus, we should also be able to sue these same manufacturers for the woman who are using the product as intended, yet causing undo hardship on us men (see what I did there?).

[eddiememphis]

Fair question.

If they pass this law (and they will) and case law is set from it, can we then sue the various manufacturers of Yoga pants for their products not being used as they were intended (we've all seen the 5'4" 300lb woman in yoga pants make for a woman half her size and eeewwww! Plus, we should also be able to sue these same manufacturers for the woman who are using the product as intended, yet causing undo hardship on us men (see what I did there?).

Your analogy is a stretch...

However, can Stanley Tools now be sued if one of their hammers is used in a murder? What about Ka-Bar for the nut that killed the girls in Idaho?

And the stores that sold those tools?

[theGinsue]

Your analogy is a stretch...

Oh, I see what you did there. Yoga pants, stretch.

Yes, I was stretching the concept of the idea of holding someone who did nothing wrong/illegal accountable for the actions of someone who did. While my point was extreme it points to the question of "how far do you take this once you've crossed the line?".

[Eric P]

Waiting for the 1st story of a domestic abuse victim killed while waiting for her force equalizing protection tool.

Criminals don't wait. Suicidal people will find another method.

Imagine if you had a waiting period to vote after registering, or making a speach.

[eddiememphis]

Oh, I see what you did there. Yoga pants, stretch.

I'm glad you got the joke.

[Ramsker]

With their majorities, I'm sure all of these will pass . . . and Polis will sign them. And, not surprisingly, they won't do a thing to prevent criminals from doing criminal things and so more laws will follow.

Really sad where this state has gone thanks to the influx of morons and their whackadoo ideas. The only faint hope I have is that they start going off the rails even further on all manner of legislation and enough people who aren't pudding-minded socialists wake up. But it sure looks like the full Californication of CO is well on its way. Feelings trump logic with far too large a chunk of society.

[Aloha_Shooter]

This time was critical in expanding my interest in broad spectrum firearms ownership and usage. I doubt my kids will have the same opportunity.

They don't want your kids or any other kids to have that opportunity.



Waiting for the 1st story of a domestic abuse victim killed while waiting for her force equalizing protection tool.

You'll be waiting a long time. The Leftist media won't print or air such a story. They don't want any stories that contradict "The Agenda" out there. Cruz was relating how the Dems were pushing a bill to allow the MSM to form syndicates without violating anti-trust laws "to protect small newspapers from Big Tech aggregating their content'. He said he put an amendment in to remove any protections if they engaged in mutual censorship and told the Dems he'd actually vote for and support the bill with his amendment. The bill's own cosponsor voted against her bill.

[Eric P]

How fo these waiting periods work? Does the background check sit in a que for 3 days before sending notice to the FFL? Or is the check still done immediately and the FFL hold the firearm?

Gun show sales would effectively die.

Or we could just to Cheyenne and skip the wait.

[Bailey Guns]

The difference now is the makeup of the Senate and House.

There are not enough Republicans to stop legislation from being passed. House- 46D, 19R. Senate- 23D, 12R.

The Democrat Governor is unlikely to veto the bills. The left leaning Supreme Court is unlikely to strike down the laws.

While not new, the sympathetic press will give little coverage of the bills. What coverage it does receive will be fawning over the dramatic steps taken by the gallant representatives of the people who are making our lives safer through yet more laws.


Democrats have controlled both houses of the legislature and the gov's office before in the fairly recent past. That's how magazine capacity limits and other nonsense became law. Again...nothing new here for democrats. When they assume power, they use that power.

[theGinsue]

Democrats have controlled both houses of the legislature and the gov's office before in the fairly recent past. That's how magazine capacity limits and other nonsense became law. Again...nothing new here for democrats. When they assume power, they use that power.

If only the Republicans would do the same thing. If they did, we might not be anywhere near the mess we're into now.

[Bailey Guns]

Colorado is a lost cause politically speaking, I'm afraid. Has been for some time. And it's only going to get worse for pro-gun, conservative people living there.