"Assault weapons" ban

[.455_Hunter]

I don't see it anywhere on the calendar yet and found this-
April 23 (Tuesday) Final passage of House bills in the Senate and Senate bills in the House.* 105th Day

Looks like they have 5 days to get it through?


The bill passed the House last Sunday. It took them 4 days to simply assign it to a committee? There appears to be zero sense of urgency for this in the Senate, especially so late in the session. Something or someone is pulling (or cutting) strings.

[Ramsker]

And if you talk to anyone on the left they will tell you that everyone they know that is an independent votes R 99% of the time.

Not likely.

[Ramsker]

From RMGO....




Good, bad or indifferent?

Didn't this used to be the "kill committee"?

Fundamentally, how does something of this magnitude not get assigned to Judiciary?

It definitely used to be the Kill Committee. I'm not so sure with the current setup, but let's hope.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

My first thought is that they are saving it for next time to have something to push. On the other hand, it seems that they keep on pushing the edge of the envelope when it comes to stupid gun laws. Or Maybe St. Polis is working his miracles behind the scenes… Or maybe I should stop drinking…

ETA:
https://denvergazette.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-bill-would-outlaw-ordinary-guns/article_c0cd3c77-973b-5a06-a479-79e8df7e8ac6.html

Does the law really outlaw any pistol with a detachable magazine? Or does it have to have a threaded barrel? I thought the threaded barrel was the main pistol thing. The article mentions Glock 19s being banned. That would be directly covered by Heller. I know they don’t care, but that would be really low hanging fruit to get overturned.

[DDT951]

My first thought is that they are saving it for next time to have something to push. On the other hand, it seems that they keep on pushing the edge of the envelope when it comes to stupid gun laws. Or Maybe St. Polis is working his miracles behind the scenes? Or maybe I should stop drinking?

ETA:
https://denvergazette.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-bill-would-outlaw-ordinary-guns/article_c0cd3c77-973b-5a06-a479-79e8df7e8ac6.html

Does the law really outlaw any pistol with a detachable magazine? Or does it have to have a threaded barrel? I thought the threaded barrel was the main pistol thing. The article mentions Glock 19s being banned. That would be directly covered by Heller. I know they don?t care, but that would be really low hanging fruit to get overturned.

I read it has to have the threaded barrel.

[.455_Hunter]

I read it has to have the threaded barrel.

Yup- The bill, this time, does not ban unthreaded barrel semi-autos pistols. Pre-tacticool Beretta 92's, G17's, etc would be fine, for now. Small bites at a time...

[.455_Hunter]

The biggest unknown in this bill would be what qualifies as a shroud? Obviously, a full length m-loc AR style handguard would fit the definition, but what about a M1 carbine or standard Mini-14 with a short upper handguard? Even further, what about a Remington 742 that has a partial wooden lower forearm that allows your hold the barrel without burning your hand?

Either a bug or a feature....

[OneGuy67]

The biggest unknown in this bill would be what qualifies as a shroud? Obviously, a full length m-loc AR style handguard would fit the definition, but what about a M1 carbine or standard Mini-14 with a short upper handguard? Even further, what about a Remington 742 that has a partial wooden lower forearm that allows your hold the barrel without burning your hand?

Either a bug or a feature....

Mini-14 is specifically banned by name in the bill.

[lurchnp81]

The biggest unknown in this bill would be what qualifies as a shroud? Obviously, a full length m-loc AR style handguard would fit the definition, but what about a M1 carbine or standard Mini-14 with a short upper handguard? Even further, what about a Remington 742 that has a partial wooden lower forearm that allows your hold the barrel without burning your hand?

Either a bug or a feature....

It’s a shoulder thing that goes up:


https://youtu.be/ospNRk2uM3U?si=we57dEGiHahlhrcY

[def90]

Mini-14 is specifically banned by name in the bill.

We can all blame the A Team for that..

[eddiememphis]

My first thought is that they are saving it for next time to have something to push. On the other hand, it seems that they keep on pushing the edge of the envelope when it comes to stupid gun laws. Or Maybe St. Polis is working his miracles behind the scenes? Or maybe I should stop drinking?

ETA:
https://denvergazette.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-bill-would-outlaw-ordinary-guns/article_c0cd3c77-973b-5a06-a479-79e8df7e8ac6.html

Does the law really outlaw any pistol with a detachable magazine? Or does it have to have a threaded barrel? I thought the threaded barrel was the main pistol thing. The article mentions Glock 19s being banned. That would be directly covered by Heller. I know they don?t care, but that would be really low hanging fruit to get overturned.

I read that article as well.

It is wrong. Not all semi-auto pistols qualify. They are mainly going after SBRs that people claim are pistols, even though we all know that an AR with a 10 inch barrel shooting 5.56 is a rifle.

A SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE, OR THAT MAY BE READILY MODIFIED TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE, IF THE SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL HAS ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING FEATURES:
(A) A THREADED BARREL;
(B) A SECOND PISTOL GRIP OR ADDITIONAL FEATURE CAPABLE OF FUNCTIONING AS A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE NON-TRIGGER HAND;
(C) A SHROUD THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE BARREL, OR THAT PARTIALLY OR COMPLETELY ENCIRCLES THE BARREL, ALLOWING THE BEARER TO HOLD THE FIREARM WITH THE NON-TRIGGER HAND WITHOUT BEING BURNED, BUT EXCLUDING A SLIDE THAT ENCLOSES THE BARREL;
D) A MUZZLE BRAKE;
E) THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE AMMUNITION-FEEDING DEVICE AT SOME LOCATION OUTSIDE OF THE PISTOL GRIP; OR
(F) A BUFFER TUBE, ARM BRACE, OR OTHER PART THAT PROTRUDES HORIZONTALLY BEHIND THE PISTOL GRIP;

[Great-Kazoo]

A SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE, OR THAT MAY BE READILY MODIFIED TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE, IF THE SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL HAS ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING FEATURES:
(A) A THREADED BARREL;
(B) A SECOND PISTOL GRIP OR ADDITIONAL FEATURE CAPABLE OF FUNCTIONING AS A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE NON-TRIGGER HAND;
(C) A SHROUD THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE BARREL, OR THAT PARTIALLY OR COMPLETELY ENCIRCLES THE BARREL, ALLOWING THE BEARER TO HOLD THE FIREARM WITH THE NON-TRIGGER HAND WITHOUT BEING BURNED, BUT EXCLUDING A SLIDE THAT ENCLOSES THE BARREL;
D) A MUZZLE BRAKE;
E) THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE AMMUNITION-FEEDING DEVICE AT SOME LOCATION OUTSIDE OF THE PISTOL GRIP; OR
(F) A BUFFER TUBE, ARM BRACE, OR OTHER PART THAT PROTRUDES HORIZONTALLY BEHIND THE PISTOL GRIP;





Straight from the CADOJ AWB wording.

[.455_Hunter]

Mini-14 is specifically banned by name in the bill.

Not the standard Mini-14, it's the "Tactical" variants that are listed by name.

[OneGuy67]

(II) ALL OF THE FOLLOWING RIFLES, COPIES, DUPLICATES, VARIANTS, OR ALTERED FACSIMILES WITH THE CAPABILITY OF ANY SUCH WEAPON:

(A) ALL AK TYPES, INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING: AK, AK47, AK47S, AK-74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, SA85, SA93, VECTOR ARMS AK-47, VEPR, WASR-10, AND WUM; IZHMASH SAIGA AK;MAADI AK47 AND ARM;NORINCO 56S, 56S2, 84S, AND 86S; POLY TECHNOLOGIES AK47 AND AKS; AND SKS WITH A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE;

(B) ALL AR TYPES, INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING: AR-10; AR-15; ALEXANDER ARMS OVERMATCH PLUS 16;ARMALITE M1522LR CARBINE; ARMALITE M15-T; BARRETT REC7; BERETTA AR-70; BLACK RAIN ORDNANCE RECON SCOUT; BUSHMASTER ACR; BUSHMASTER CARBON 15;BUSHMASTER MOE SERIES;BUSHMASTER XM15;CHIAPPA FIREARMS MFOUR RIFLES; COLT MATCH TARGET RIFLES; CORE RIFLE SYSTEMS CORE 15 RIFLES; DANIEL DEFENSE M4A1 RIFLES; DEVIL DOG ARMS 15 SERIES RIFLES; DIAMONDBACK DB15 RIFLES; DOUBLESTAR AR RIFLES; DPMS TACTICAL RIFLES; DSA INC. ZM-4 CARBINE; HECKLER & KOCH MR556; HIGH STANDARD HSA-15 RIFLES; JESSE JAMES NOMAD AR-15 RIFLE; KNIGHT'S ARMAMENT SR-15; LANCER L15 RIFLES; MGI HYDRA SERIES RIFLES; MOSSBERG MMR TACTICAL RIFLES; NOREEN FIREARMS BN36 RIFLE; OLYMPIC ARMS RIFLES; POF USA P415; PRECISION FIREARMS AR RIFLES;REMINGTON R-15 RIFLES;RHINO ARMS AR RIFLES; ROCK RIVER ARMS LAR-15 OR LAR-47; SIG SAUER SIG516, M400, AND SIG716 RIFLES; SMITH & WESSON M&P15 RIFLES; STAG ARMS AR RIFLES; STURM, RUGER & CO. SR-556 AND AR-556 RIFLES; USELTON ARMS AIR-LITE M-4 RIFLES; WINDHAM WEAPONRY AR RIFLES; WMD GUNS BIG BEAST; YANKEE HILL MACHINE COMPANY, INC. YHM-15 RIFLES; BARRETT M107A1; BARRETT M82A1; BERETTA CX4 STORM; CALICO LIBERTY SERIES;CETME SPORTER; DAEWOO K-1, K-2, MAX 1, MAX 2, AR100, AND AR 110C; FABRIQUE NATIONALE OR FN HERSTAL FAL, LAR, FNC, 308 MATCH, L1A1 SPORTER, PS90, SCAR, AND FS2000; FEATHER INDUSTRIES AT-9; GALIL AR AND ARM; HI-POINT CARBINE; HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG1, AND HK USC; IWI TAVOR AND GALIL ACE RIFLE; KELTEC SUB-2000, SU-16,RFB, AND RDB;SIG AMT, SIG PE-57, SIG SAUER SG 550, SIG SAUER SG 551, AND SIG MCX; SPRINGFIELD ARMORY SAR-48; STEYR AUG; STURM, RUGER & CO. MINI-14 TACTICAL RIFLE M-14/20CF;

(C) ALL THOMPSON RIFLES, INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING: THOMPSON M1SB, THOMPSON T1100D, THOMPSON T150D, THOMPSON T1B, THOMPSON T1B100D, THOMPSON T1B50D, THOMPSON T1BSB, THOMPSON T1-C, THOMPSON T1D, THOMPSON T1SB, THOMPSON T5, THOMPSON T5100D, THOMPSON TM1, AND THOMPSON TM1C; AND

(D) OTHER RIFLE MODELS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE FOLLOWING: UMAREX UZI RIFLE; UZI MINI CARBINE, UZI MODEL A CARBINE, AND UZI MODEL B CARBINE; VALMET M62S, M71S, AND M78; VECTOR ARMS UZI TYPE;WEAVER ARMS NIGHTHAWK;WILKINSON ARMS LINDA CARBINE; AND CZ SCORPION RIFLE AND CZ BREN RIFLE;

Since they are using the term "variant" in their definition, I do believe your "Standard Mini-14" would be considered a "variant" along with the other listed variants of the Mini-14 such as the Ranch rifle, Mini-14 GB, Target Rifle, Mini-Thirty, Tactical Rifle, and the Mini-Thirty Tactical Rifle. But, its not worth arguing about as I don't own one. You do you and believe what you want.

[.455_Hunter]

(II) ALL OF THE FOLLOWING RIFLES, COPIES, DUPLICATES, VARIANTS, OR ALTERED FACSIMILES WITH THE CAPABILITY OF ANY SUCH WEAPON:

(A) ALL AK TYPES, INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING: AK, AK47, AK47S, AK-74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, SA85, SA93, VECTOR ARMS AK-47, VEPR, WASR-10, AND WUM; IZHMASH SAIGA AK;MAADI AK47 AND ARM;NORINCO 56S, 56S2, 84S, AND 86S; POLY TECHNOLOGIES AK47 AND AKS; AND SKS WITH A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE;

(B) ALL AR TYPES, INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING: AR-10; AR-15; ALEXANDER ARMS OVERMATCH PLUS 16;ARMALITE M1522LR CARBINE; ARMALITE M15-T; BARRETT REC7; BERETTA AR-70; BLACK RAIN ORDNANCE RECON SCOUT; BUSHMASTER ACR; BUSHMASTER CARBON 15;BUSHMASTER MOE SERIES;BUSHMASTER XM15;CHIAPPA FIREARMS MFOUR RIFLES; COLT MATCH TARGET RIFLES; CORE RIFLE SYSTEMS CORE 15 RIFLES; DANIEL DEFENSE M4A1 RIFLES; DEVIL DOG ARMS 15 SERIES RIFLES; DIAMONDBACK DB15 RIFLES; DOUBLESTAR AR RIFLES; DPMS TACTICAL RIFLES; DSA INC. ZM-4 CARBINE; HECKLER & KOCH MR556; HIGH STANDARD HSA-15 RIFLES; JESSE JAMES NOMAD AR-15 RIFLE; KNIGHT'S ARMAMENT SR-15; LANCER L15 RIFLES; MGI HYDRA SERIES RIFLES; MOSSBERG MMR TACTICAL RIFLES; NOREEN FIREARMS BN36 RIFLE; OLYMPIC ARMS RIFLES; POF USA P415; PRECISION FIREARMS AR RIFLES;REMINGTON R-15 RIFLES;RHINO ARMS AR RIFLES; ROCK RIVER ARMS LAR-15 OR LAR-47; SIG SAUER SIG516, M400, AND SIG716 RIFLES; SMITH & WESSON M&P15 RIFLES; STAG ARMS AR RIFLES; STURM, RUGER & CO. SR-556 AND AR-556 RIFLES; USELTON ARMS AIR-LITE M-4 RIFLES; WINDHAM WEAPONRY AR RIFLES; WMD GUNS BIG BEAST; YANKEE HILL MACHINE COMPANY, INC. YHM-15 RIFLES; BARRETT M107A1; BARRETT M82A1; BERETTA CX4 STORM; CALICO LIBERTY SERIES;CETME SPORTER; DAEWOO K-1, K-2, MAX 1, MAX 2, AR100, AND AR 110C; FABRIQUE NATIONALE OR FN HERSTAL FAL, LAR, FNC, 308 MATCH, L1A1 SPORTER, PS90, SCAR, AND FS2000; FEATHER INDUSTRIES AT-9; GALIL AR AND ARM; HI-POINT CARBINE; HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG1, AND HK USC; IWI TAVOR AND GALIL ACE RIFLE; KELTEC SUB-2000, SU-16,RFB, AND RDB;SIG AMT, SIG PE-57, SIG SAUER SG 550, SIG SAUER SG 551, AND SIG MCX; SPRINGFIELD ARMORY SAR-48; STEYR AUG; STURM, RUGER & CO. MINI-14 TACTICAL RIFLE M-14/20CF;

(C) ALL THOMPSON RIFLES, INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING: THOMPSON M1SB, THOMPSON T1100D, THOMPSON T150D, THOMPSON T1B, THOMPSON T1B100D, THOMPSON T1B50D, THOMPSON T1BSB, THOMPSON T1-C, THOMPSON T1D, THOMPSON T1SB, THOMPSON T5, THOMPSON T5100D, THOMPSON TM1, AND THOMPSON TM1C; AND

(D) OTHER RIFLE MODELS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE FOLLOWING: UMAREX UZI RIFLE; UZI MINI CARBINE, UZI MODEL A CARBINE, AND UZI MODEL B CARBINE; VALMET M62S, M71S, AND M78; VECTOR ARMS UZI TYPE;WEAVER ARMS NIGHTHAWK;WILKINSON ARMS LINDA CARBINE; AND CZ SCORPION RIFLE AND CZ BREN RIFLE;

Since they are using the term "variant" in their definition, I do believe your "Standard Mini-14" would be considered a "variant" along with the other listed variants of the Mini-14 such as the Ranch rifle, Mini-14 GB, Target Rifle, Mini-Thirty, Tactical Rifle, and the Mini-Thirty Tactical Rifle. But, its not worth arguing about as I don't own one. You do you and believe what you want.

Besides the shroud question, the "standard" Mini-14 doesn't contain naughty features, so isn't really a variant of the banned version with the naughty features. Their list is relatively comprehensive and I expect the 50 year old standard Mini would have made it if considered taboo. Of course, a logical thought process is not the goal here with these control freaks. The fact we are even having this discussion is a sad commentary.

[Joe_K]

1. Move and pray the sickness doesnt spread and follow you, while working tirelessly to prevent the spread to you.
2. Stay and ignore or refuse to comply with bad laws, while working tirelessly to undo them.
3. All other options.

The disease is spreading. COVID broke many peoples will to fight, if you cannot or will not keep a needle out of you, you cannot keep your property in your home, place of business, or on your person. There is an increasing amount of evidence coming out that the Clot Shots AND the Virus were and are a bio-engineered weapon intended to break the mind and will.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/faith-family-freedom-with-curtis-bowers/id1498447868?i=1000652310066

[eddiememphis]

1. Move and pray the sickness doesnt spread and follow you, while working tirelessly to prevent the spread to you.
2. Stay and ignore or refuse to comply with bad laws, while working tirelessly to undo them.
3. All other options.

The disease is spreading. COVID broke many peoples will to fight, if you cannot or will not keep a needle out of you, you cannot keep your property in your home, place of business, or on your person. There is an increasing amount of evidence coming out that the Clot Shots AND the Virus were and are a bio-engineered weapon intended to break the mind and will.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/faith-family-freedom-with-curtis-bowers/id1498447868?i=1000652310066

Huh?

[Joe_K]

Huh?

Communism = the disease. It?s spreading across the US. There are two viable options, leave and hope it doesnt follow you, stay, and fight against it. The 3rd bullet point is all other options.
The proposed Assault Weapons Ban, and many other laws in Colorado, and other States are being driven by Communism.

There was a Color Revolution in 2020 continuing the framework of the plan over the last several decades to do exactly what we are seeing around us.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

So, if it does pass, what does it look like in our circuit? Will we win or lose and potentially get a circuit split? I have to think that we have a chance with our circuit disagreeing with the 9th and forcing SCOTUS?

It seems like dicking around with injunctions just wastes time? Just go for the straight up win or loss and get it to SCOTUS?

[def90]

Video on the senate committee that will be debating this bill


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saogeUs-1cs&t=513s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saogeUs-1cs&t=513s)

[eddiememphis]

https://www.craigdailypress.com/news/heres-where-western-slope-lawmakers-stand-on-bill-banning-so-called-assault-weapons/

House Bill 1292 was introduced Thursday in the Senate and assigned to the State, Veterans, & Military Affairs Committee. The five-person committee has a Democratic majority. Two of those Democratic senators have expressed support for the general concept of the bill but the third, Sen. Tom Sullivan, a Centennial Democrat, is likely to be the swing vote.

Sullivan’s son, Alex, was killed in the Aurora theater shooting in 2012 and he has been a vocal supporter of tightening gun laws ever since. But he’s often expressed skepticism for a statewide assault weapons ban. Given the Republican opposition to the bill, if he votes against the measure, it’s almost certain to lose in committee. However, if he votes in favor of the bill, it could be considered by the whole chamber.

Eighteen of the chamber’s 23 Democrats would then need to vote in favor of the bill for it to be sent to Gov. Jared Polis, who has said he’s skeptical of the legislation but has stopped short of saying he would veto it.

The State, Veterans & Military Affairs Committee hasn’t yet scheduled the bill for a public hearing and vote. The 120-day legislative session ends May 8.

[Ramsker]

I wouldn't even remotely call Sullivan a "swing vote". He's 110% going to vote for any and all gun control legislation.

[def90]

I wouldn't even remotely call Sullivan a "swing vote". He's 110% going to vote for any and all gun control legislation.

Probably so but he has been consistent in the last couple years that he does not believe that sweeping gun bans are the answer and he was not in favor of last years prposed ban.

Time will tell.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Talked to a buddy ‘in the know’, but more in a general State politician way. He has little concern about the AWB, this year. He collaborates the Polis angle. My addition would be if Sullivan has an out with out looking like a hypocrite, my guess he would kill it and get an IOU from Polis for it- but that addition is purely my thoughts.

We’ll, it got me off my @ss to buy some guns…

[MED]

It is only required to be brought up for an initial hearing in the chamber of origin. There are two possibilities: 1) It won't be scheduled for a hearing and die in committee; leadership won't allow it to be heard unless they intend to pass it. 2) It will be scheduled and will pass through the rest of the process. If it gets scheduled for a hearing, it will likely pass this year. I doubt it though especially after I saw the committee assignment; they are chipping away slowly, and they will likely get their SB3 and SB66 gestapo network in place first. It will likely pass next year. There is plenty of bad shit going through though. The concealed carry one is going to suck for sure. Thankfully, I am renewing right now so I should be good through the rest of my stay in this horrible state.

[TRnCO]

yea, the cancealed carry crap that they are pushing is going to really suck. I'm due to re-new in Aug. of this year, if I have to I'll bump that up a couple months to get in before this next crap load of dung puts new restrictions on the process.

[Joe_K]

96464

6/7 States bordering Colorado get it. It will probably take a Red exodus into Colorado, or a Blue exodus out of Colorado to change things politically.

[Great-Kazoo]

96464

6/7 States bordering Colorado get it. It will probably take a Red exodus into Colorado, or a Blue exodus out of Colorado to change things politically.


There's been a massive blue exodus from CA since covid. Yet CA is getting deeper into a dictatorship, every day. CO is not far behind. IMO doesn't matter where one relocates to. The pestilence that is socialism creeps onward every second of the day.

Down here, Yavapai cty is what weld cty use to be, decades ago.

Now that the BOS declare YC a Non-Sanctuary cty the flaming flag burners have come out of the woodwork. Decrying the decision, wondering where decency went. Like Elvis, they're everywhere.

[MED]

yea, the cancealed carry crap that they are pushing is going to really suck. I'm due to re-new in Aug. of this year, if I have to I'll bump that up a couple months to get in before this next crap load of dung puts new restrictions on the process.

Jefferson told me 120 days was the max before expiration. I'm not sure what it is in Douglas. I was also told it was taking close to the 90 day limit to process so get it in ASAP. It was an electronic submission now, which was really easy.

[BPTactical]

The ONLY reason Sullivan would disapprove of a ban would be if it didn't go far enough.

[beast556]

Did the concealed carry bills pass???

[def90]

Did the concealed carry bills pass???

https://kdvr.com/news/politics/colorado-politics-news/concealed-carry-permit-measure-heads-to-colorado-governors-desk/

[TEAMRICO]

Hurray! After July 1st all crime will cease to exist in CO!!!

[DDT951]

Hurray! After July 1st all crime will cease to exist in CO!!!

Democrats have been banned in CO?

[Ramsker]

Hurray! After July 1st all crime will cease to exist in CO!!!

Sweet . . . I feel safer already.

[Ramsker]

https://kdvr.com/news/politics/colorado-politics-news/concealed-carry-permit-measure-heads-to-colorado-governors-desk/

“After a lot of conversations, a lot of thinking, what we came up with was an excise tax on guns, ammunition, gun parts, gun sales,” the measure’s primary sponsor, House Majority Leader Monica Duran, said earlier this month to FOX31’s Gabrielle Franklin. “I think voters are happy to pay a little extra when it comes to their guns and ammunition, whatever they are buying, knowing that funding is going directly to three things: crime victims, school safety and mental health.”

LOL . . . yeah, nobody I know is happy to pay a little extra for that feel-good bs.

Wasn't that what the background check fees were going to cover? Amazing how the prior laws and fees that were going to solve gun violence still haven't done it. It's almost like bad people just do bad things.

[BPTactical]

“After a lot of conversations, a lot of thinking, what we came up with was an excise tax on guns, ammunition, gun parts, gun sales,” the measure’s primary sponsor, House Majority Leader Monica Duran, said earlier this month to FOX31’s Gabrielle Franklin. “I think voters are happy to pay a little extra when it comes to their guns and ammunition, whatever they are buying, knowing that funding is going directly to three things: crime victims, school safety and mental health.”

LOL . . . yeah, nobody I know is happy to pay a little extra for that feel-good bs.

Wasn't that what the background check fees were going to cover? Amazing how the prior laws and fees that were going to solve gun violence still haven't done it. It's almost like bad people just do bad things.

How about what the dope taxes were going to fund-
Schools
Drug abuse prevention
Drug treatment
Early preschool
End homelessness



Like nailing Jell-O to the wall

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

No, it was the Lottery that was going to end all school funding issues.

[ray1970]

Wait. I thought casinos were the solution for everything?

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

It’s only on the rich, and only to pay for the war against the Kaiser’s Hun…

[Joe_K]

The war to end all wars

[Clint45]

Wait... so dealers holding a FFL are now required to have a newly minted STATE dealer license or face a $250,000 fine and a FELONY???

That's basically extortion. FFL should be more than sufficient. There is absolutely no legitimate reason for an additional State license, which I imagine will be even more difficult to obtain than a FFL.

[eddiememphis]

Wait... so dealers holding a FFL are now required to have a newly minted STATE dealer license or face a $250,000 fine and a FELONY???

That's basically extortion. FFL should be more than sufficient. There is absolutely no legitimate reason for an additional State license, which I imagine will be even more difficult to obtain than a FFL.

It's for the children.

[Joe_K]

It's for the children.

Ahh yes, The children TM. The ones that can then grow up to get a sex change, go gay, or become a drug addicted derelict and never reproduce, thus ensuring their genetic end. Because saving lives is what the Uni-party cares about. Now go vote for more bombs to be dropped on the other peoples kids so we dont have to fight them here!

[JoeRoss]

The children, that are not being taught the three Rs.
The ones being pushed through grades, never learning to read - write - or arithmetic?
Those children?

[DDT951]

The "good news" is I think it is looking better this wont happen.

Looking at the calendar,
https://leg.colorado.gov/committees/state-veterans-military-affairs/2024-regular-session

It seems the committee only meets on W&TH of each week.

That means there are really only next Wed and Thurs to meet and send it the floor. Then there is 5 days in the session left to pass (with no amendments).

An amendment kills it this year. Or it will probably just be too late to hear it this year.


It will be back next year....

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

On the state FFL, is this so that local municipalities can pass their own restrictions since we got rid of state pre-emption on gun laws?

[FoxtArt]

State cant revoke or deny a FFL.

[buffalobo]

Update/status by RMGO as of yetserday.

HB24-1292 ?Assault Weapons? Ban?? Passed House: 35-27; currently awaiting hearing in the Senate State Affairs Committee

SB24-131 ?Church Carry Ban??? Passed Senate: 21-14; currently sitting on the House Floor awaiting 2nd?Reading

HB24-1348 ?Safe Storage in Vehicles??? Passed House: 41-22; Passed Senate with increased penalties for stolen firearms: 21-13; currently awaiting concurrence from the House

SB24-066 ?Gun Purchase Tracking??? Passed both chambers; currently sitting on the Governor?s desk

SB24-003 ?CBI Gestapo??? Passed Senate: 21-10; passed relevant House Committees; currently sitting on the House Floor awaiting 2nd?Reading

HB24-1174 ?Live-fire Concealed Carry??? Passed House: 43-16; Passed Senate: 20-14; currently headed to Governor?s desk

HB24-1270 ?Liability Insurance Mandate??? Passed House: 33-29; Passed Senate State Affairs Committee: 3-2; currently sitting on the Senate Floor awaiting 2nd?Reading

HB24-1353 ?Gun Shop Extinction??? Passed House: 40-21; currently sitting in the Senate Finance Committee awaiting hearing

HB24-1310 ?Disarming School Safety Officers??? Died in the House Education Committee

HB24-1349 ?Guns and Ammo Tax??? Passed House: 44-18; currently sitting in the Senate Finance Committee awaiting hearing



If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[Doc45]

Thank you for the update! As I’ve said before if my son and his 3 little kids didn’t live here I’d probably go back to Arizona (which I left in 1984).

[.455_Hunter]

Wasn't 24-131 reduced to "just" college restrictions?

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Be interesting to get a guess as to the path forward, though I know RMGO’s interest is in keeping fear up. When does the Leg session end? Hopefully SCOTUS will get the AWB and Mag limit off the table. CO is OK to live in, but the cost, lack of water/lakes, and crime (auto/personal) are all not cool. Nearing retirement, and being remote from work, I’d replicate CO by getting a winter place that is easier than CO and a summer place that is low in HUmidity, but has some water. FLA-ID would work.

[Doc45]

If these asinine bills pass how many gun shops will survive? Obviously that?s the plan from the assholes in the legislature.

[Gunner]

Be interesting to get a guess as to the path forward, though I know RMGO?s interest is in keeping fear up. When does the Leg session end? Hopefully SCOTUS will get the AWB and Mag limit off the table. CO is OK to live in, but the cost, lack of water/lakes, and crime (auto/personal) are all not cool. Nearing retirement, and being remote from work, I?d replicate CO by getting a winter place that is easier than CO and a summer place that is low in HUmidity, but has some water. FLA-ID would work.

I?m stuck here for the moment. I wish I could leave. Colorado is awesome to live in but politics and criminal coddling is getting out of control. Hopefully Coloradans will began to wake up and vote for their safety but I?m not holding my breath.

If you live in Arapahoe county you need to be aware that it is about to become ?Denver Light?. Douglas Elbert and Lincoln counties are breaking away from 18th judicial district. Making Arapahoe be the solo county in that district. Arapahoe votes blue. Thus they will elect a democrat as the District Attorney of which is probably a current public defender or defense attorney. Expect DAs to then began to offer sweet heart deals to criminals and I bet everyone gets personal recognizance bonds.




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[Gunner]

If these asinine bills pass how many gun shops will survive? Obviously that?s the plan from the assholes in the legislature.

That?s the plan. They want them out of business because it will make it harder for citizen to obtain firearms. You know the drill. They don?t care about gun shops. It?s the liberal agenda, fuck over the normal citizen and coddle the criminal, goverment tit sucker and illegal


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[Doc45]

Arapahoe County has been changing dramatically. The last election was further proof with Dave Walcher getting voted out as sheriff solely to the R next to his name. While the current replacement sheriff is supposedly 2a friendly (from friends on the dept) it doesn’t bode well if a dem also becomes the da.

[.455_Hunter]

The problem with the state licencing bill isn't fundamentally the state oversight component. Many businesses have federal and state oversight of their operations. The problem is that new "progressive" regulations could now be imposed without grandfathering, such as no gun shops within X distance of a school, daycare, church, community center or park. Immediate revocation of license if a "assault weapon", or component there of, is presented for sale or transfer, like a pistol grip that could fit an AR platform. Mandatory subservience to any new whackjob local restriction, like a prohibition on "expanding death hollow point bullets" and FMJ "cop killers", or any magazine over 5 rounds.

[def90]

Wasn't 24-131 reduced to "just" college restrictions?

The concealed carry in sensitive places was reduced to:

Much of the state capitol building
Public and private schools
Courthouses
Polling places
Local government buildings, unless the local government chooses to allow firearms

[.455_Hunter]

The concealed carry in sensitive places was reduced to:

Much of the state capitol building
Public and private schools
Courthouses
Polling places
Local government buildings, unless the local government chooses to allow firearms

Lovely infringement.

[def90]

Lovely infringement.

Isn't it already illegal to carry a firearm in half of those places?

[brutal]

Seems they'll have a legal battel on prohibiting carry at private schools.

Of course, I didn't read the whole thing, but is there a carve out for "designated security personnel" and/or Parochial?

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I think the private schools are an add. Is it anywhere on school property, or is there a carve out for if you in your car? If there isn?t, that pretty much bans CCW if you have kids and you have to pick them up at school.

Plus, billionaire kids with PSDs will have to find a work-around. I assume having them have some LEO credential is their solution,

It seems to me that if some Sheriff wanted to really gum up the works, he could start handing out deputizations? Or was there a problem with this?

[hollohas]

The private school thing is a major issue. One private school that I am aware of has a lot of it's staffed armed and no budget to hire formal security.

These commies WANT kids unprotected.

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[MED]

The private school thing is a major issue. One private school that I am aware of has a lot of it's staffed armed and no budget to hire formal security.

These commies WANT kids unprotected.

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"These commies WANT kids unprotected." This is absolutely true. All this talk about 25 years since Columbine, and schools are still soft targets. Now they want to disarm parents, resource officers, and anyone else with the means to protect. Shootings and dead kids fuel their agenda, which has nothing to do with schools or kids so they are all for it otherwise they would actually discuss real security and self defense. The people who love their disarmament laws the most are criminals; given their policies of removing penalties for crime, it is obvious that this is where they priorities remain.

[DDT951]

Well,

With only days left it seems this has no chance of passing..


THIS YEAR

Next year is not an election year so watch out…

We only had a stay of execution…not a pardon.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Who knows how smart or strategic they are on this. Smart money says that AWB are on the SCOTUS kill list of things to do. So Polis especially isn’t going to take pain for something that has a short shelf life. My guess is they wait to see if SCOTUS bites on the AWB, and then just like NYS after Bruen, come up with something tailored around the AWB that somehow is actually worse.

I guess the dems in CO have such a big margin that they don’t care, but until the gun thing quiets down, I will NEVER vote for any dem in any office anywhere anytime.

[FoxtArt]

A short legislative session helps a lot. While we all know they fully intend to ignore the opposition...

A big issue with these bills is the scheduling required to get past the opposition means they cut into other bills and legislative actions that they also want.

So a week of effort to pass a AWB at the cost of 2-3 other noncontroversial bills is honestly the real reason I think this hasn't passed, yet. We have a pretty short session and they all want to pack their own crap into it, they don't want to give up their own bills for someone else's poster child.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

A short legislative session helps a lot. While we all know they fully intend to ignore the opposition...

A big issue with these bills is the scheduling required to get past the opposition means they cut into other bills and legislative actions that they also want.

So a week of effort to pass a AWB at the cost of 2-3 other noncontroversial bills is honestly the real reason I think this hasn't passed, yet. We have a pretty short session and they all want to pack their own crap into it, they don't want to give up their own bills for someone else's poster child.

Thanks for that insight. I guess the lefts full assault on our way of life along many fronts helps us…. Plus there is no money (power) in these guns bills, directly. No graft to hand out.

[buffalobo]

Don't get complacent or celebrate yet.

"One option that is available to each chamber is to suspend certain legislative rules in order to accelerate workflow during the final days of a general session. Article V, Section 12 of the?Colorado Constitution?allows each chamber to determine its own rules. For reference, the rules of the Colorado House, Colorado Senate, and Joint rules that apply to both chambers, are available?here."

They suspended the rules at 10 days left in session this year. Legislation can literally sail thru with little to no notice. AWB legislation could be passed in one day with a little preplanning.

https://www.coloradosenaterepublicans.com/suspending-legislative-rules-during-the-last-three-days-of-a-session/

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[BPTactical]

Don't get complacent or celebrate yet.

"One option that is available to each chamber is to suspend certain legislative rules in order to accelerate workflow during the final days of a general session. Article V, Section 12 of the?Colorado Constitution?allows each chamber to determine its own rules. For reference, the rules of the Colorado House, Colorado Senate, and Joint rules that apply to both chambers, are available?here."

They suspended the rules at 10 days left in session this year. Legislation can literally sail thru with little to no notice. AWB legislation could be passed in one day with a little preplanning.

https://www.coloradosenaterepublicans.com/suspending-legislative-rules-during-the-last-three-days-of-a-session/

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.


This is where the electronic speed reading of a bill is used.
Assholes

[beast556]

I won't be surprised if this passes may 7th at 11:59pm. I hope not but we shall see.

[buffalobo]

From RMGO email.

"Fellow Patriot,

I have an important update.

Capitol insiders are claiming that HB24-1292, the so-called ?Assault Weapons Ban? will be heard in Senate State Affairs in an impromptu, unscheduled meeting sometime tomorrow.

As of right now, it?s nothing more than another turning in the Capitol rumor mill. However, Sen. James Coleman, who chairs the Senate State Affairs Committee told me yesterday that if it is going to be heard, it will be heard tomorrow.

We are currently working with our allies in the State Senate to delay the calendar as long as possible. Remember, NO legislative business may be conducted after Wednesday, May 8th. Time is our side. All we need to do is run out the clock.

We still need you in this fight every step of the way.

Please keep a very close eye on your email and the?RMGO Twitter Page?for to the second updates!

The future of our State depends on us.

For Liberty,

Ian C. Escalante
Director of Operations
Rocky Mountain Gun Owners"

Please CALL the members of the Senate State Affairs Committee.

?James Coleman (D) 303-866-4864??<< Priority Call

?Tom Sullivan (D) 303-866-4873 ??<< Priority Call

Chris Hansen (D) 303-866-4861 ??<< Priority Call

Larry Liston (R) 303-866-2737

Mark Baisley (R) 303-866-4877




If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[eddiememphis]

It is not unscheduled or impromptu. Today is the last scheduled meeting of that committee.

The committee is scheduled to hear a different bill but, "Any bills referred to the committee may be heard at this time."

HB24-1349, ammo tax bill is on the finance committee's schedule to be heard today as well.

That one still has hope for failure since, if it passes, it will be on the ballot in November.

Although looking at past election results, it may pass by will of the voters, especially since Everytown has much deeper pockets than RMGO. Look for incessant advertising encouraging voters to pass that one.

After all, it's for the children.

[.455_Hunter]

The AW ban is kaput for this year.

I am not sure which other bills still have life for this session.

[eddiememphis]

The AW ban is kaput for this year.

I am not sure which other bills still have life for this session.

https://twitter.com/RMGOColorado/status/1787585359095689303

Ian Escalante earlier posted that as well. He says Julie Gonzales is "killing" the bill.

[bellavite1]

I am curious as to the official reason for her killing the bill.

[MED]

I am curious as to the official reason for her killing the bill.

Part of next year's agenda; they need to get everything in place with the SB03 and SB66 tracking and Gestapo bills first. The concealed carry and liability insurance bills will significantly anger people enough for this year.

[eddiememphis]

HB24-1349- Ammo tax was knocked down to 6.6%.

[eddiememphis]

Part of next year's agenda...

And the next and the next, until it passes.

Leftists are relentless in their pursuit of power.

[hollohas]

The AWB bill was always intended to be a distraction. Kept headlines from focusing on the other bills. And the fact the state 'accidentally' didn't pay $67M in TABOR refunds legally owed to Colorado tax payers.

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[FoxtArt]

I don't think it's a distraction at all, it's just different priorities by different legislators.

There's a # of Colorado legislators that want to go full on gestapo on us and absolutely want it to pass.

But there's also 630+/- other bills pending in the senate with a week to go, and the senate isn't population skewed, so it's a harder push, plus senator sheep-lover wants to get his commemorative herding license plate passed a lot more. (not a specific person or bill, but literally a ton of "pet" bills from legislators are dumb crap like license plate designs).

[kidicarus13]

HB24-1349- Ammo tax was knocked down to 6.6%.

6.5%, but who's counting?

[BPTactical]

The higher tax rate promotes financial inequity-it will unjustly affect communities of color.
They will no longer be able to afford to protect themselves from those evil white supremes.
It be raysis yo!



Play their game back on them.

[O2HeN2]

Just got a text from RMGO that said the bill is dead.

O2

[Ramsker]

Glad it's dead for now . . . but it will be back.

[Sawin]

so the "AWB" is truly dead for now? Alright.
https://youtu.be/ziKeYo-RXQw?si=yoK-wYteTr-BivyY

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

More like the AWB is a zombie, that is going to bite us next year.

[BPTactical]

Next year is not an election year- they will have nothing to lose.

[TEAMRICO]

I counted more than 1 word…..Wow![ROFL2]

[BPTactical]

I counted more than 1 word…..Wow![ROFL2]



Thats ok…….she don’t read too good nohow!

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Jokes on them. They got me to buy three guns that I wouldn’t have bought otherwise. They’ll probably get me for a couple more before next year. Need to flesh out my SMGs. Can you ever have enough MP5s? And so many advances since then…. And a HK553 would be SWEET.

[theGinsue]

Jokes on them. They got me to buy three guns that I wouldn’t have bought otherwise. They’ll probably get me for a couple more before next year. Need to flesh out my SMGs. Can you ever have enough MP5s? And so many advances since then…. And a HK553 would be SWEET.

It is my humble opinion that NO, no you can not ever have enough.

It is also my opinion that we (the citizens of this amazing country) have an ethical and moral obligation to continue to give the snowflake anti's something to whine, cry, and gnash their teeth over. You, sir, are living up to that obligation.

I've had a few long-term projects I've been wanting to build or acquire for some time. Thanks to the continued assaults on our liberties, I've pushed up my schedule and have been working to acquire the parts I need to complete this list.

The anti-gunners can (will) continue to push to prohibit these things that we have a God-given and Constitutionally protected right to possess but all they'll do, if successful in their endeavors, is push the typically law abiding gun community into an underground culture. Those found to be in violation of the illegal laws will then flood the justice system with their appeals and lawsuits, preventing those real criminals from getting the justice they deserve.

[JoeRoss]

Real criminals get a slap on the wrist, released on a PR bond, with a promise to return to court on a given date.

CITIZENS get thrown in jail, no bond, have to wait there until they go to court, and then prosecuted to the fullest extent of these UNCONSTITUTIONAL laws.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

It is my humble opinion that NO, no you can not ever have enough.

It is also my opinion that we (the citizens of this amazing country) have an ethical and moral obligation to continue to give the snowflake anti's something to whine, cry, and gnash their teeth over. You, sir, are living up to that obligation.

I've had a few long-term projects I've been wanting to build or acquire for some time. Thanks to the continued assaults on our liberties, I've pushed up my schedule and have been working to acquire the parts I need to complete this list.

The anti-gunners can (will) continue to push to prohibit these things that we have a God-given and Constitutionally protected right to possess but all they'll do, if successful in their endeavors, is push the typically law abiding gun community into an underground culture. Those found to be in violation of the illegal laws will then flood the justice system with their appeals and lawsuits, preventing those real criminals from getting the justice they deserve.

And I’m learning to love iron sights again, as my gun acquisition program has defunded my optics budget…. MP5s don’t really need a red dot anyways, the front sight ring gets in the way…

[wctriumph]

I diverted funds over the last few months and purchased and traded for enough parts to build another three MSRs. Can?t have enough. Now I need more ammunition.

[SouthPaw]

Gov. Jared Polis signs pair of gun bills affecting storage of weapons in cars, investigations. New laws were part of Democrats? broader reform package this year.
By SETH KLAMANN | sklamann@denverpost.com | The Denver Post
PUBLISHED: May 16, 2024 at 6:00 a.m. | UPDATED: May 16, 2024 at 6:03 a.m.

Gov. Jared Polis signed two gun-reform measures into law Wednesday that will tighten requirements on the storage of firearms in vehicles and bolster funding to investigate gun crimes in Colorado.
?If you?re going to be a gun owner, then we need to make sure we are responsible gun owners,? said Sen. Rhonda Fields, an Aurora Democrat who co-sponsored the vehicle storage bill, at a bill-signing ceremony.
Under House Bill 1348, gun owners must store any firearms kept in their vehicles in locked containers, out of plain view. A locked glove compartment or center console qualifies under the law. Violating the statute is a civil infraction, punishable only by a small fine. The law kicks in Jan. 1.

Other bill sponsors were Democratic Reps. Lorena Garcia and Elizabeth Velasco and Sen. Sonya Jaquez Lewis. Debate about the new law?s penalties had divided House Democrats and some of their colleagues in the Senate, briefly throwing the measure into limbo amid broader disagreements over criminal sanctions. After a House committee killed a bill to tighten penalties on firearm thefts, Senate Democrats amended the vehicular storage measure to tack on some of the dead bill?s elements.
But the House rejected that idea, and the bill?s Democratic sponsors eventually settled on the civil infraction provision. The measure was part of Democrats? broader gun-reform efforts this year. Shortly before Polis signed House Bill 1348 on Wednesday, he also inked Senate Bill 3, which directs more than $1.4 million to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation. Most of that money will go toward investigating illegal gun sales. The intent of the bill, supporters said, was to ensure that other gun-reform measures ? including a ban on high-capacity magazines ? were being adequately followed.

?Our bill is really about enforcement,? Rep. Meg Froelich, an Englewood Democrat, said Wednesday. ?And really, the enforcement piece is the culmination of decades of work on gun-violence prevention.?
She sponsored the bill with fellow Democrats Sen. Tom Sullivan and House Majority Leader Monica Duran. Polis signed Senate Bill 66 into law in early May. That bill puts a specific merchant code on the sale of ammunition and firearms, allowing for improved tracking of those transactions. Three other gun reform measures ? covering state licenses for dealers, tighter requirements for concealed-carry training and limitations on where guns can be carried ? all passed the legislature and await his signature.
Two Democrat-backed gun measures died in the last days of the session. One would have enacted a ban on the sale or purchase of certain high-powered semiautomatic firearms referred to as ?assault weapons,? and the other would?ve required gun owners to carry liability insurance.




So if your gun gets stolen, don't report it, or you'll be a criminal too.

[Clint45]

So if your gun gets stolen, don't report it, or you'll be a criminal too.

That does not qualify as "criminal" because it isn't even a misdemeanor.

Probably a far greater crime NOT to report it stolen... unless, of course, there was no paper trail connecting you to it.

Although there is no "registration" per se in Colorado, if you purchased or transferred that gun at an FFL, I'm sure ATF would be able to trace the serial number to you one way or another.

[BladesNBarrels]

That does not qualify as "criminal" because it isn't even a misdemeanor.

Probably a far greater crime NOT to report it stolen... unless, of course, there was no paper trail connecting you to it.

Although there is no "registration" per se in Colorado, if you purchased or transferred that gun at an FFL, I'm sure ATF would be able to trace the serial number to you one way or another.

It always is interesting to me how fast they trace ownership of firearms used in a shooting that is covered by the press.
And, it quickly becomes available to the press.

[Coffee]

[brutal]

So they funded a Gestapo squad to raid gun stores selling 30 round mags huh?

This is my surprised face.

[.455_Hunter]

So they funded a Gestapo squad to raid gun stores selling 30 round mags huh?

This is my surprised face.


... and to have leverage over the shops with state licensing- sell/ transfer, or offer to sell/transfer, a restricted magazine and permanently lose business permit.

[def90]

Yeah, everyone focuses on the big bill the assault weapons ban but in the end the small ones are probably just as or more problematic.

So what state agency is now heading up FFL state licensing and is that even a thing anywhere else in the country?

[kidicarus13]

So what state agency is now heading up FFL state licensing and is that even a thing anywhere else in the country?

CO Department of Revenue. You heard it hear second.

[def90]

So other states need to take notice of the CBI Goon Squad bill that does an end around on the sanctuary cities.

How can you have local city control of gun laws yet state goon squad control at the same time?

[def90]

This for example goes against the law that was passed last year to bypass the state pre-emption law.

https://kdvr.com/news/politics/colorado-politics-news/douglas-county-permits-firearms-in-county-buildings-citing-onerous-new-state-law/

Will make for some interesting court cases in the near future.

[FoxtArt]

The "bypass" law is written so that they can only be more strict, not less. Progressives would NEVER pass a law that let conservative counties sample the same medicine.

Douglas County will lose their argument.