"Assault weapons" ban

[rtr]

https://www.statebillinfo.com/bills/bills/24/2024a_1292_01.pdf

Note this doesn?t come from the state legislature website and I do not believe it has been introduced as of yet.

[kidicarus13]

"A person in violation of the prohibitions will be assessed a first-time penalty of $250,000 and $500,000 for each subsequent violation."

Seems reasonable.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240214/5cf45814284d68db49556756ab14e091.gif

[theGinsue]

Sorry folks .... I went to fix the thread title (replaced ? with " and in force of habit I closed the thread.

Problem fixed...post on.

TdeaCciyo20

[rtr]

The bill has now been introduced and the full text is here https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2024A/bills/2024a_1292_01.pdf didn't check to see if the first one I posted is any different than the "official" one.

Note that it grandfathers current "assault weapons" (no word on what happens to them when you die) but outright bans possession (whether you own one before the ban or not) of "RAPID-FIRE TRIGGER ACTIVATORS"

[theGinsue]

Looks like it's time to gift my grandkids (8 and 6) their first AR's.

[FoxtArt]

Looks like it's time to gift my grandkids (8 and 6) their first AR's.

Gun trust can get it even further (Hypothetically) and let them "inherit" yours even despite this.

Note that it also includes 50BMG rifles. Last year I believe even included the (50 bmg) Ammo in that.

[rtr]

Looks like it's time to gift my grandkids (8 and 6) their first AR's.
I’m not trying to argue. Is it possible to gift a firearm to a person under 18?

[Great-Kazoo]

I’m not trying to argue. Is it possible to gift a firearm to a person under 18?

Yes it is. However, one has to follow laws for them to be in possession of it with an "adult" / guardian on site

[rtr]

Yes it is. However, one has to follow laws for them to be in possession of it with an "adult" / guardian on site

Thanks for educating me n

[eddiememphis]

I read this bill and the similar one from last year.

https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb23-1230

Same Elisabeth Epps on both.

They cleaned up a lot of the language. Changed flash suppressor to muzzle brake. And of course added the fines.

Unlikely to pass. Yet another bill to show how much the left cares about the children.

[DDT951]

Since this came from Epps I must be missing something in the language. Maybe someone can show me where it is.

There must be an exception for Palestinians and Antisemites in this bill?

https://www.coloradopolitics.com/legislature/colorado-legislator-joins-pro-palestinian-protesters-in-house-gallery-as-drama-cast-shadow-over-special/article_52b85d78-87f7-11ee-a7ae-ebbb5c2e639b.html

[beast556]

This state is fully lost. Were trying our hardest to stay here 3 more years till my youngest son graduates but Im not sure were going to be able to make it. Fucking sucks how colorado has gone down hill so fast. I see this assault weapons ban passing for sure this year with little to no opposition.

[Bailey Guns]

The Colorado legislature has become the clown show of the country. Even for far left, anti-gun types the emotional, non-sensical rhetoric in this bill is pretty damned impressive.

[eddiememphis]

I see this assault weapons ban passing for sure this year with little to no opposition.

Not in it's current form. It is too sweeping and punitive. It is merely posturing.

If the bill were rewritten, which it likely will be, it would be much more likely to pass.

Remember, Polis is running for President. He wouldn't want signing this bill into law on his record.

[FoxtArt]

I'm not so confident this go around. Last time they pushed it too late in the legislative session. That is a significant reason why the last version was a non-issue.
This is earlier, and has mentioned, cleans up some issues (such as banning certain types of ammo in the last iteration).

If it gets passed by the legislature and lands on Polis' desk, what is his presidential outlook if he refuses to sign it, and then 2 months later, a man who mutilated his genitals shoots up another location?

Polis isn't going to be selling himself to the conservative party in any future hypothetical election...

[FoxtArt]

Also for the record, it is very common to have amendments/corrections to a bill throughout the process. They might edit the punitive provisions to get it passed.

I don't suggest the sky is falling, only that anyone in Colorado should be operating as if this kind of bill is going to eventually pass. This year, next year, inside of the next five years, highly likely.

Don't try to figure out how to buy guns for young children. Setup a gun trust instead.

[DDT951]

I'm not so confident this go around. Last time they pushed it too late in the legislative session. That is a significant reason why the last version was a non-issue.
This is earlier, and has mentioned, cleans up some issues (such as banning certain types of ammo in the last iteration).

If it gets passed by the legislature and lands on Polis' desk, what is his presidential outlook if he refuses to sign it, and then 2 months later, a man who mutilated his genitals shoots up another location?

Polis isn't going to be selling himself to the conservative party in any future hypothetical election...

Well most MSM isn’t saying that the “woman” who shot up lakewood church was a man..

[DDT951]

One of the really troubling parts this bill makes it illegal to “offer for sale”

I always make the statement, “it’s not for sale, but for enough money everything is for sale” (which is true)

Imagine the AG having their employees UC (or cops) at gun ranges….

“Hey, that is a nice rifle.. wanna sell it”?

My smart ass answer “No, but everything for sale for enough money”. Boom violation of criminal code. And a $250k civil penalty.

And how does a $250k (and then $500k) make it into a criminal statute ?

[eddiememphis]

Polis isn't going to be selling himself to the conservative party in any future hypothetical election...

The extremes do not decide elections, the middle does. If he appears to govern middle left, his chances of winning are much greater than if he takes a far left stance.


Well most MSM isn?t saying that the ?woman? who shot up lakewood church was a man..

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/12/genesse-ivonne-moreno-accused-church-shooter-had-h/
https://www.advocate.com/news/false-transgender-claim-texas-shooter

Commander Christopher Hassig of the Houston Police Department Homicide Division said the woman used male aliases in the past, including Jeffrey Escalante, but was female.
Finner later clarified, "It's the biological mother," referring to the critically injured 7-year-old boy who was shot in the head.

I can't find anything that disputes the killer was not a woman, other than internet speculation put forth to fit narratives.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Not in it's current form. It is too sweeping and punitive. It is merely posturing.

If the bill were rewritten, which it likely will be, it would be much more likely to pass.

Remember, Polis is running for President. He wouldn't want signing this bill into law on his record.


I'm not so confident this go around. Last time they pushed it too late in the legislative session. That is a significant reason why the last version was a non-issue.
This is earlier, and has mentioned, cleans up some issues (such as banning certain types of ammo in the last iteration).

If it gets passed by the legislature and lands on Polis' desk, what is his presidential outlook if he refuses to sign it, and then 2 months later, a man who mutilated his genitals shoots up another location?

Polis isn't going to be selling himself to the conservative party in any future hypothetical election...

Polis probably knows that AWB are losers- especially as the courts are going to (hopefully) clean up this year with the AWB cases that are on their doorstep. But what he doesn’t really want it a ‘mess’, so if you want Polis to kill this, he has to get it done before it reaches his desk. That means making noise and letting Polis know that we are going to make the process ugly for him poltically.

I can’t believe that I’m thinking about giving money to RMGO after Dudley was such a douche, but he may be they perfect a-hole for this.

[DDT951]

The extremes do not decide elections, the middle does. If he appears to govern middle left, his chances of winning are much greater than if he takes a far left stance.



https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/12/genesse-ivonne-moreno-accused-church-shooter-had-h/
https://www.advocate.com/news/false-transgender-claim-texas-shooter

Commander Christopher Hassig of the Houston Police Department Homicide Division said the woman used male aliases in the past, including Jeffrey Escalante, but was female.
Finner later clarified, "It's the biological mother," referring to the critically injured 7-year-old boy who was shot in the head.

I can't find anything that disputes the killer was not a woman, other than internet speculation put forth to fit narratives.

I have followed up more

https://www.foxnews.com/us/lakewood-church-shooter-identified-genesse-ivonne-moreno-palestine-written-gun

"Moreno, originally from El Salvador, who had a lengthy criminal record, also previously used the name Jeffrey Escalante Moreno, investigators said. The shooter was killed after off-duty police officers at the church responded to the incident. Police said two people were injured – a 57-year-old man and the child who accompanied the shooter.

Preliminary reporting indicated the shooter was transgender, but in a Monday news conference, investigators identified her as a woman and the biological mother of the 7-year-old child."

[theGinsue]

Back on topic to this proposed ban:

With all of the pro-crime policies being put into place around the nation, then the poor economic policies, etc. crime is on the rise all over. Then we add into the mix thousands upon thousands of individuals coming into the country with zero interest in obeying our laws...more crime.

With all of this, the number of bad things happening will continue to go up. Instead of addressing the cause of the crime, and wanting to "never let a tragedy go to waste" (I think it was Hillary who coined that phrase), the libs feel emboldened go full throttle with their attacks on our 2nd Amendment right. After all, why should they go after the people responsible for these heinous crimes when they can go after the tools they used - which are used legally by millions of others? Those behind these bad policies know that eventually the American people may be pushed to the point where they say "enough is enough" and use those tools to remove the criminals in office from their lofty positions. They know they risk losing their power and control over us if we have a means to fight back. So, of course they're going to push for every restriction on our right that they can possibly push out - we can't have the peasants in a position to fight back now can we?

Yes, either this bill will pass or another version will, and soon.

[kidicarus13]

"never let a tragedy go to waste" (I think it was Hillary who coined that phrase)

Anti-gunner Rahm Emanuel

[UncleDave]

That is from Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky from the early 70’s.

[theGinsue]

I stand corrected.

Of course, Hillary isn't bright enough to have come up with that on her own.

[GeorgeandSugar]

Same deal just another day. Good reason to vacate the state.

https://youtu.be/TEdzOEDGhM0?si=EGHvBPRmNv5sCgCl


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[def90]

Same deal just another day. Good reason to vacate the state.

https://youtu.be/TEdzOEDGhM0?si=EGHvBPRmNv5sCgCl


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https://www.ar-15.co/threads/192609-quot-Assault-weapons-quot-ban

[Caithford]

Yeah super considering leaving CO too. Too much anti-gun sentiment, and too much attempt to kill TABOR so they can increase taxes and pocket the revenue.

[Clint45]

(2) THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY FURTHER FINDS THAT:
15 (a) ASSAULT WEAPONS ARE NOT SUITABLE FOR SELF DEFENSE AND
16 ARE NOT WELL-SUITED FOR HUNTING, SPORTING, OR ANY PURPOSE OTHER
17 THAN MASS KILLING;
18 (b) THE FIREARMS INDUSTRY HAS SPECIFICALLY MARKETED
19 ASSAULT WEAPONS AS TACTICAL, HYPER MASCULINE, AND MILITARY
20 STYLE IN A MANNER THAT OVERTLY APPEALS TO THE VERY PEOPLE MOST
21 LIKELY TO ACQUIRE SUCH WEAPONS AS A MEANS TO GAIN INFAMY AS A
22 MASS SHOOTER;

[BushMasterBoy]

More violations of our US Constitutional Rights. We need better doctors and less conniving politicians. I'll be glad when Polis is retired.

[BPTactical]

(2) THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY FURTHER FINDS THAT:
15 (a) ASSAULT WEAPONS ARE NOT SUITABLE FOR SELF DEFENSE AND
16 ARE NOT WELL-SUITED FOR HUNTING, SPORTING, OR ANY PURPOSE OTHER
17 THAN MASS KILLING;
18 (b) THE FIREARMS INDUSTRY HAS SPECIFICALLY MARKETED
19 ASSAULT WEAPONS AS TACTICAL, HYPER MASCULINE, AND MILITARY
20 STYLE IN A MANNER THAT OVERTLY APPEALS TO THE VERY PEOPLE MOST
21 LIKELY TO ACQUIRE SUCH WEAPONS AS A MEANS TO GAIN INFAMY AS A
22 MASS SHOOTER;



https://youtu.be/pWdd6_ZxX8c?si=VfkTgu32iMAJggpq





What the holy fuck?

[.455_Hunter]

The hyperbole is pretty amazing for what is theoretically an official government document.

[DenverGP]

Whoever wrote that can suck my tactical, hyper masculine, military style...


(2) THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY FURTHER FINDS THAT:
15 (a) ASSAULT WEAPONS ARE NOT SUITABLE FOR SELF DEFENSE AND
16 ARE NOT WELL-SUITED FOR HUNTING, SPORTING, OR ANY PURPOSE OTHER
17 THAN MASS KILLING;
18 (b) THE FIREARMS INDUSTRY HAS SPECIFICALLY MARKETED
19 ASSAULT WEAPONS AS TACTICAL, HYPER MASCULINE, AND MILITARY
20 STYLE IN A MANNER THAT OVERTLY APPEALS TO THE VERY PEOPLE MOST
21 LIKELY TO ACQUIRE SUCH WEAPONS AS A MEANS TO GAIN INFAMY AS A
22 MASS SHOOTER;

[Erni]

Whoever wrote that can suck my tactical, hyper masculine, military style...

Johnson?

[Erni]

https://youtu.be/pWdd6_ZxX8c?si=VfkTgu32iMAJggpq





What the holy fuck?

Jesus who wrote that? Some mom demanding action? Oh, right?..

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Johnson?

Johnsons had some girth to them.,..

[FoxtArt]

If ARs are hypermasculine,

Then progressives are HypoMasculine?

Sounds about right. Given enough time they'll go extinct as nobody will have juevos left to reproduce.

[newracer]

Roses are red....
Violets are blue....
Our country was founded using "weapons of war".....
So fuck you!

[BushMasterBoy]

Sounds like cartel funded legislation. Look what is going on south of the border. The narco traffickers have a large war chest and can infiltrate our state. The first step is to disarm the resistance.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tropical-resorts-popular-americans-no-090031509.html

[eddiememphis]

I'll be glad when Polis is retired.

His name is appearing more frequently as a possible Vice President to either Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama, once President Biden announces he is not going to run.

[Gunner]

Whats Epps going to do when all of her people get locked up for violating this law? She?s a hug a thug criminal herself she can only bail so many criminals before she out of money. She needs to be gone


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[TEAMRICO]

This law will not apply to Democrats who own guns right? Just Republicans and Trump supporters.
Well it’s not like Democrats who own guns will mind this.

[APEXgunparts]

House bill 24-192... where is this at so far?
Are there going to be open hearings at the state house about it?

Richard

[JohnnyEgo]

There is more brewing than just the AWB this session. Such as a bill to require all gun owners to carry liability insurance for any 'accidental' injuries from a firearm.

[BPTactical]

2000+ drug related deaths per year for the last few years in this state but firearms are the public health crisis.



https://youtu.be/oA6FHBCWAyY?si=TKDzQ-P3z0EZcdNd

[OneGuy67]

House bill 24-192... where is this at so far?
Are there going to be open hearings at the state house about it?

Richard

I assume you mean HB24-1292, the "Prohibit Certain Weapons Used in Mass Shootings" bill?

It was assigned to the House Judiciary Committee on February 13, 2024. A fiscal note was just completed on it, so it should have a hearing relatively soon, although their public schedule only goes out to March 12, 2024 and it isn't on the schedule.

I'm sure RMGO's Ian Escalante will send out an email when the bill goes up for public hearing.

[Sawin]

2000+ drug related deaths per year for the last few years in this state but firearms are the public health crisis.



If that’s true, which I don’t know anything about, one need not look any further than the “class” of those drug related deaths… if they were all from the “net producer” class, instead of being in the “net consumer” class, there would be a bigger government intervention. I’d imagine the fact it is the way that it is, the elite and elected are secretly “for” those deaths to ease the burden of supporting those individuals later in their lives.

[Clint45]

If that’s true, which I don’t know anything about, one need not look any further than the “class” of those drug related deaths… if they were all from the “net producer” class, instead of being in the “net consumer” class, there would be a bigger government intervention. I’d imagine the fact it is the way that it is, the elite and elected are secretly “for” those deaths to ease the burden of supporting those individuals later in their lives.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[kidicarus13]

An easy-to-understand summary of proposed Colorado firearm related bills:
https://youtu.be/QErWV8hhK3Y?si=tua6LLdQq0Zg6aXx

[Sawin]

You say that like it's a bad thing.
I can confidently say, I don’t do drugs and am in the net producer class. That is all :)

[theGinsue]

An easy-to-understand summary of proposed Colorado firearm related bills:
https://youtu.be/QErWV8hhK3Y?si=tua6LLdQq0Zg6aXx

He lost me as soon as he said his favorite Colorado resident is Dudley Brown. I still watched through to the end and found that he barely scratched the surface on the anti-gun bills in our state legislature, but he definitely took time to mention RMGO twice.

[BPTactical]

As much as we hate the fact RMGO is about all we have in our corner.
NRA is combat ineffective.

[eddiememphis]

This thread should be in politics.

[def90]

I think the Colorado State Shooting Association was behind the overturning of the first Boulder assault weapons ban and a couple other recent anti gun laws in Coilorado.

[theGinsue]

This thread should be in politics.

Agreed. Moving it now.

I think the Staff chose to leave it in General DIscussion initially to help ensure the widest visibility. But yeah, it's time to move it. I'll leave a re-direct out there for 2 days.

[scratchy]

There never seems to be enough tar and feathers.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

As much as we hate the fact RMGO is about all we have in our corner.
NRA is combat ineffective.

I actually bought some guns that might end up being on the naughty list, more collector/demonstrator than 'user' guns. I'm not actually sure how many ARs I have, considering stripped lowers that I hoarded like a squirrel awhile back. As part of that I threw some money at RMGO.

I hate the anti-gunners so much that I will make them have to deal with Dudley. We are at the end times and like in the movie "The Kingdom" there is a line that they will "let loose their most talented" operatives- well, I can't be any less cordial that sticking Dudley on them. Hopefully he is as effective against Democrats as he is bullying GOPers.

[rtr]

https://sg001-harmony.sliq.net/00327/Harmony/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2/20240319/29/15686

Listen to this bill in house judiciary committee live

[TEAMRICO]

That idiot talking about how to make a bomb!?
Shut him up.

[BPTactical]

I submitted a written testimony.
I am sure it will convince them that this legislation is not a viable solution to violence and they will drop it.

[rtr]

It passed out of committee 7-3

[BPTactical]

This is my surprised face.
Trick question:
We are under Democratic rule….did you expect anything less?

[def90]

Trying to remember what they did last year. Did the ban make it out of committee and was it voted down in the house?

[rtr]

Trying to remember what they did last year. Did the ban make it out of committee and was it voted down in the house?

Never made it out of committee.

[.455_Hunter]

Never made it out of committee.

Does anybody know if the committee members are the same or different than last year?

[Gunner]

Epps and Hernandez need to go they are bad news for Colorado, even though I think this state is beyond saving.


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[10x]

Committee members are different. Two no votes from last year are gone replaced by "more progressive" votes this year per the gazette.

The draconian fines and felony are gone amended to a misdemeanor and $300 fine.

Still awful.

[BPTactical]

Remember, Hernandez was not elected, he was "appointed"

[FoxtArt]

At least SCOTUS is 6:3.

That said, RMGO is horrible at writing a winner, I honestly don't think they are capable of a Supreme Court case.

[def90]

If they pass this and Polis doesn't veto it would this pretty much void the current lawsuits against Superior and Boulder County?

The court ordered an injunction against the Superior and Boulder County bans so not sure why they wouldn't do so if this gets passed.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

How old is assault weapons, ban due at the federal circuit level? Assault weapons bands seem to come mainly from states where the federal circuit will back them up and keep the bands in place. That means that there is often not a split in the circuits where one says the bans are good the other says the bans are bad. Could the circuit that Colorado is in give us that?

I have a feeling that would take at least two years to work its way through, hopefully we can get SCOTUS to act before that

[Ramsker]

Sadly . . . this state is firmly in control of the morons. This will pass and Polis will sign. I don't see any way it gets stopped.

I'm not confident at all that there is a path back to sanity here. Too many family committments to leave at this point. I guess it's small solace that there isn't registration/confiscation . . . yet. I'm sure they'll get to it.

[DDT951]

So what is on the shopping list since there will be a few months to stock up?

[ray1970]

So what is on the shopping list since there will be a few months to stock up?

You don?t buy when the prices are high. You sell.

[Gunner]

Sadly . . . this state is firmly in control of the morons. This will pass and Polis will sign. I don't see any way it gets stopped.

I'm not confident at all that there is a path back to sanity here. Too many family committments to leave at this point. I guess it's small solace that there isn't registration/confiscation . . . yet. I'm sure they'll get to it.

Yup, I?m stuck here for the foreseeable future as well. I wish I could leave


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[eddiememphis]

https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2024/03/18/kopel-colorado-house-bill-1292-unconstitutional-gun-ban/

Dave Kopel's legal argument against the bill.

He is likely to get involved in the challenges brought against it. Very sharp guy and has argued in front of the Supreme Court in the past.

[.455_Hunter]

https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2024/03/18/kopel-colorado-house-bill-1292-unconstitutional-gun-ban/

Dave Kopel's legal argument against the bill.

He is likely to get involved in the challenges brought against it. Very sharp guy and has argued in front of the Supreme Court in the past.


I think another good analysis would the be an assessment of the the number of "assault weapons" in public hands, and the percent of those firearms used in crime versus the percent held by sane, moral and responsible citizens.

I also like analogies supporting the restriction of home high-speed internet just because some deviants use it for child pornography. Same level of logic as shown in these gun control bills.

[BPTactical]

Dear Colorado Democrats,
Fuck Off





Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242 - Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law
This statute makes it a crime for any person acting under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom to willfully deprive or cause to be deprived from any person those rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution and laws of the U.S.

This law further prohibits a person acting under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation or custom to willfully subject or cause to be subjected any person to different punishments, pains, or penalties, than those prescribed for punishment of citizens on account of such person being an alien or by reason of his/her color or race.

Acts under "color of any law" include acts not only done by federal, state, or local officials within the bounds or limits of their lawful authority, but also acts done without and beyond the bounds of their lawful authority; provided that, in order for unlawful acts of any official to be done under "color of any law," the unlawful acts must be done while such official is purporting or pretending to act in the performance of his/her official duties. This definition includes, in addition to law enforcement officials, individuals such as Mayors, Council persons, Judges, Nursing Home Proprietors, Security Guards, etc., persons who are bound by laws, statutes ordinances, or customs.

Punishment varies from a fine or imprisonment of up to one year, or both, and if bodily injury results or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire shall be fined or imprisoned up to ten years or both, and if death results, or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

[FoxtArt]

42 U.S.C. ?1983 is where the real meat and potatoes is. It also pays for attorney fees.

18 U.S.C. ?242 is laughable, in that it will never, ever, ever, be enforced, and they know it.

Just letting you know how to improve your threats ;)



****SAMPLE****

The U.S. Supreme Court is currently a 6:3 conservative majority, the time could not be better for us to bring a case and forever foreclose on your ability to introduce legislation like this, ever again.

Please give us standing while the Supreme Court is so strongly in my favor. The language of this bill, which includes assertions such as "hypermasculinity", is written without factual support, and in a way that strongly favors court intervention and condemnation, resulting in a devastating precedential opinion for your cause. Granted, it will take a few years, during which time you'll pat yourself on the back.

So, surprisingly, I encourage you, the legislators, to ignore the future risk to your cause and vote "YES". While this may induce a temporary infringement on my rights, if we have to fight it inevitably, I much prefer to do so now, and with such a poorly written bill before us. I know you intend to ignore the rest of the testimony today, but know that your moment of unjustified back-patting will be short lived.

While the inevitable case work their way up to the Supreme Court, this bill will temporarily infringe on the rights of millions of legal, law abiding gun owners. In that same period of time, pursuant to DEA stats, more than 6,400 Coloradoans will have died from drug overdoses, of which an estimated 4,000 people will be from Fentanyl alone.

What effort do you serve the state with this bill, other than consuming the time of the attorney general in the defense - and loss - of the forthcoming 42 U.S.C. ?1983 deprivation of rights litigation, which guarantees all of our attorney's fees will be paid?

As much as it pains me to say it, please vote YES so that the Supreme Court will have the most absurd legislation before it to finalize precedential law. I may hate this bill, but fortunately, I am more patient than the drafters of it.

****SAMPLE****

[DDT951]

You don?t buy when the prices are high. You sell.

Prices arent high. You can order anything you want to an FFL.

The issue is... if courts dont stop it, it wont be a matter of price... it will be a matter you can no longer buy/sell it. Price is irrelevant. If you dont buy before you wont get it.

[ray1970]

Price is irrelevant. If you dont buy before you wont get it.

Oh. I forget there are people that don?t already have what they need or want and go into scramble mode trying to buy stuff before they can?t.

Some people who have all they need and then some will usually choose to profit while those desperate people scramble to buy what they want while they still can.

[eddiememphis]

Prices arent high. You can order anything you want to an FFL.

The issue is... if courts dont stop it, it wont be a matter of price... it will be a matter you can no longer buy/sell it. Price is irrelevant. If you dont buy before you wont get it.

You won't be able buy it legally. There will still be plenty available for purchase.

[BPTactical]

42 U.S.C. ?1983 is where the real meat and potatoes is. It also pays for attorney fees.

18 U.S.C. ?242 is laughable, in that it will never, ever, ever, be enforced, and they know it.

Just letting you know how to improve your threats ;)

Odd, I never viewed "Fuck Off" as a threat. I suppose one could argue that my standard fare of "Go pleasure yourself with an AIDS and Ebola soaked cactus soaked in turpentine powered by a gas powered Hilti hammer drill" as a veiled threat but I will argue that to a Democrat it is an invitation to a good time.
They dig that kinda stuff ya know......

[bczandm]

Will we be able to sell out of state with the current proposal?

[Eric P]

Will we be able to sell out of state with the current proposal?

Federal law trumps pointless state law

[def90]

Will we be able to sell out of state with the current proposal?

yes

[DDT951]

You won't be able buy it legally. There will still be plenty available for purchase.

You ca buy it legally until the law takes effect.

[DDT951]

Oh. I forget there are people that don?t already have what they need or want and go into scramble mode trying to buy stuff before they can?t.

Some people who have all they need and then some will usually choose to profit while those desperate people scramble to buy what they want while they still can.

The argument can be made that there is always something more that is needed if you can never get it again.

[ray1970]

The argument can be made that there is always something more that is needed if you can never get it again.

Point taken.

[brutal]

https://i.imgur.com/3N9fniR.png

[Rucker61]

Bianchi v Brown (Maryland) is the case most likely to get to SCOTUS first for state level AWBs. Here is a link to the oral arguments of that case before the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals this week. Similar cases (Miller v Bonta, Barnett v Raoul, etc) would likely see similar arguments from the government.

https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/OAarchive/mp3/21-1255-20240320.mp3

[Great-Kazoo]

if an illegal alien can buy a gun. Who really cares wtf they make a law for?

We see how well HANDS FREE / no texting or talk laws work.

A person (as described in the police report) as having language barriers communicating, decided last year to hit my car, instead of her brakes.

Informed the cops and wrote in the accident report, she was on her cell phone. Yeah that really doesn't matter unless there's serious injuries, or death.

WHAT?? It's a Law in AZ one must be hands free /talk-text while driving. Well we don't see serious bodily injury is not something we focus on. At that point i popped my prosthetic off. :)

[eddiememphis]

2nd reading today. Live coverage here- https://coloradochannel.net/watch-live-session/?sid=295

It is last listed and they are burning through them pretty quickly.

[.455_Hunter]

RMGO tweeted that the assault weapons ban was removed from the calendar. I have no clue if it is the senate or house, or about any possible implications.

[eddiememphis]

https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1292

"House Second Reading Laid Over Daily - No Amendments"

Pretty sure that means they will take it up on Monday. While I was watching this afternoon, some... thing, I think it was at one point a lady, kept rambling on about another bill. I walked the dog and when I came back, it was still going on so I think they pushed most of them back until Monday.

[buffalobo]

"House Majority Leader Monica Duran removed the bill from the 2nd?Reading Calendar this morning.
?HELP US DEFEAT THE 2024 ?ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN?
This is by no means a victory. The bill has simply been shelved for the time being.

Our pressure has been working; the Democrats feel the heat and are sweating bullets. We need to double down."

- from RMGO email this afternoon.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[BPTactical]

Interdasting


They can still go fuck themselves.

[Ramsker]

I just don't see any way that the dems don't ram this through. They're not going to squander the majority the idiots have voted them into. Might be some delay, but they'll do it . . . eventually. They're not afraid of pressure when they get voted in like they have. It's not the same world as when we were fighting the mag ban and it was pretty thin power, comparatively.

[eddiememphis]

https://leg.colorado.gov/content/house-floor-work-1

On the Schedule for Monday.

[OneGuy67]

The only thing going for us SO FAR is, there is no Senate sponsor for this legislation (SO FAR). Without a Senate sponsor, it can't be heard in the Senate.

[def90]

The only thing going for us SO FAR is, there is no Senate sponsor for this legislation (SO FAR). Without a Senate sponsor, it can't be heard in the Senate.

Fenberg from Boulder hasn't signed on? That will change if it passes the house.

[OneGuy67]

Fenberg from Boulder hasn't signed on? That will change if it passes the house.

I was thinking Tom Sullivan from Arapahoe would, but so, no Senate sponsors. It will pass the House with no problem...unfortunately.

[eddiememphis]

Senators cannot sponsor a House bill.

[BladesNBarrels]

Senators cannot sponsor a House bill.

Once a bill passes the House, it goes through the process again in the Senate.
It is introduced and sponsored by a member of the Senate.
If no Senator chooses to introduce and sponsor, it seems to fade away.

https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/default/files/bill_becomes_law_chart.pdf

[.455_Hunter]

For politically "important" bills, there can be simultaneous introduction in the house and senate. Of course, that oftet results in two different amended version of the bill that much be reconciled. Perhaps the Senate is waitng on the "final" version of the house bill as a starting point. The one thing I have learned is that the state legislative session is far too long, permits plenty of gamesmanship to circumvent citizens. The new limitation on public accessibility to phone texts, etc, allows the vote tally to occur off-record even before a hearing occurs. How else do think Epps could say she already knows "how everyone will vote".

[eddiememphis]

"HB24-1348 Secure Firearm Storage in a Vehicle" is on it's 3rd reading today, along with the 2nd reading of 1292.

[eddiememphis]

1348 passes 41-22

So fucking stupid...

[Eric P]

Unenforceable.

How can they prove you didn't have it in the trunk or locked glovebox?

One more feel good, do absolutely nothing law.

Not sure why any cares or pays attention to this clownish legislation. This is a distraction from far more important proposed foolishness.

[eddiememphis]

1292 pushed back until tomorrow

[bellavite1]

Any updates?
Cannot find anything new on the web or news, like it fell off the news cycle...
Bug or feature?

[def90]

Any updates?
Cannot find anything new on the web or news, like it fell off the news cycle...
Bug or feature?

2nd reading was this past Monday I believe. They do three readings and then vote. Not sure when third reading is scheduled.

[kidicarus13]

Second reading...96311

[eddiememphis]

There has been a lot of committee work in the afternoons so they keep postponing it, knowing it is going to be a looooong debate.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Unenforceable.

How can they prove you didn't have it in the trunk or locked glovebox?

One more feel good, do absolutely nothing law.

Not sure why any cares or pays attention to this clownish legislation. This is a distraction from far more important proposed foolishness.

I feel like the storage law won?t with the ?sensitive places? CCW restrictions were to go hand-in-hand. If you can?t carry in places and then have to leave it in your car- they are then making it so that you need a lock box set up in your car. So, just another PITA to make gun ownership more onerous.

I mean, dont raise the penalty for stealing a gun out of a car, but make new criminals?

[eddiememphis]

I feel like the storage law won?t with the ?sensitive places? CCW restrictions were to go hand-in-hand. If you can?t carry in places and then have to leave it in your car- they are then making it so that you need a lock box set up in your car. So, just another PITA to make gun ownership more onerous.

I mean, dont raise the penalty for stealing a gun out of a car, but make new criminals?

It is a civil offense, not criminal, but your argument is exactly what they were saying on the House floor during the debate.

Didn't matter, it passed anyway.

The anti-gun lobby has deep pockets so if you are a Democrat that wants to make a career of politics, they are a good friend to have. Voting for bullshit like this looks great on your resum? when it come re-election time.

[Eric P]

I feel like the storage law won?t with the ?sensitive places? CCW restrictions were to go hand-in-hand. If you can?t carry in places and then have to leave it in your car- they are then making it so that you need a lock box set up in your car. So, just another PITA to make gun ownership more onerous.

I mean, dont raise the penalty for stealing a gun out of a car, but make new criminals?

The 1st C in CCW is there for a reason. How do they stop CCW inside post offices, national park buildings, and many other prohibited places. An almighty sign with a stern warning?

If proper security is absent, weapons bans are ineffective and thus null. Criminals with ill intent don't observe signs banning guns and don't care how sensitive those places are.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

The 1st C in CCW is there for a reason. How do they stop CCW inside post offices, national park buildings, and many other prohibited places. An almighty sign with a stern warning?

If proper security is absent, weapons bans are ineffective and thus null. Criminals with ill intent don't observe signs banning guns and don't care how sensitive those places are.

I think this is a ‘feature’ of modern gun control, not a ‘bug’. They pass laws that cost them very little, but are basically ‘death sentences’ for law abiding people. They don’t care that if the law is enforced, they don’t care if you abide. The fact that if you run afoul of their law that you’ll end up in court, get a fine, go to prison, and lose your gun rifghts is the threat to make it so that people give up on owning guns. They aren’t about solving problems, unless you realize that they see US as the problem. And when they do catch you, at the odd chance you win in court, they’lll just keep your guns.

[eddiememphis]

Second reading of SB24-066 Firearm Merchant Code tomorrow.

AWB looks to possibly argued tomorrow. They are running out of other things to do.

[callerys]

Any update on these bills?

[OneGuy67]

Any update on these bills?

SB24-003 - Colorado Bureau of Investigation Authority to Investigate Firearms Crimes
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb24-003
Senator Sullivan wants the CBI to investigate all gun crimes, set up a tip line, and investigate those tips (to include those stores that sell 30 round mags, etc).
**PASSED Through Senate With Minor Changes, Assigned to House Judiciary 4/10/24**

SB24-066 - Firearms Merchant Category Code
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb24-066
Requires special merchant codes for firearms and ammunition purchases
**PASSED Through Senate, Passed in House Business Affairs & Labor Committee and referred unamended to House Committee of the Whole. Passed Second Reading**

SB24-131 - Prohibit Carrying Firearms in Sensitive Spaces
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb24-131
Prohibits from open and concealed carry in locations specified in the bill.
**PASSED Judiciary Committee Heavily Amended and Referred to Senate Committee of the Whole. Set for 4/3/24**

HB24-1123 - Funding For School Safety Firearm Detection Systems
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1123
Establishes a program to disburse money to local schools to purchase, install, and operate firearm detection software in schools.

HB24-1174 - Concealed Carry Permits & Training
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1174
Requires the Sheriff to certify instructors and lays out a required minimum amount of training to obtain a CCW
**PASSED Through House With Minor Changes, Assigned to Senate State, Veterans & Military Affairs Committee. No Hearing Date Set Yet**

HB24-1270 - Firearm Liability Insurance Requirement
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1270
Requires Firearms owners to maintain liability insurance to cover losses or damages to person other than the policyholder
**Introduced in House, Assigned to Business Affairs & Labor Committee 4/4/24 1:30 PM**

HB24-1292 - Prohibit Certain Weapons Used in Mass Shootings
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1292
Bans the sale or transfer of most firearms in Colorado
**Third Reading in House-Final Passage 4/3/24**

HB24-1310 - School Safety Measures
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1310
Establishes the minimum training necessary to be a school security officer or school resource officer
**Introduced in House, Assigned to Education Committee 4/11/24 1:30 PM**

HB24-1348 - Secure Firearm Storage in a Vehicle
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1348
Prohibits knowingly leaving an unsecured firearm in a vehicle
**PASSED Through House 3/25/24. Introduced in Senate - Assigned to State, Veterans, & Military Affairs Committee 3/28/24. No Date Set Yet.**

HB24-1349 - Firearms & Ammunition Excise Tax
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1349
Send for Voter Approval an initiative to tack on a 11% excise tax for firearms, firearm parts & Ammunition sales; money goes to victim assistance funding
**Introduced in House, Passed Finance Committee, Referred to Appropriations on 4/1/24**

HB24-1353 - Firearms Dealer Requirements & Permit
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1353
Requires FFL's to also get a $400 state dealer permit to engage in business; requires mandatory reporting and employee training; requires numerous other regulations on dealers
**Introduced in House, Passed Business Affairs & Labor Committee, Moved onto Finance Committee 4/8/24 1:30 PM**

[eddiememphis]

Nice summary.

1292 is still on the 2nd reading, unless they passed it today.

066 is on the second reading and is being argued right now at 4:20 on Wednesday.

[kidicarus13]

Fot anyone reading this, feel free to watch/listen:
https://leg.colorado.gov/watch-listen

Warning: You won't be in a better mood after watching/listening.

[eddiememphis]

Fot anyone reading this, feel free to watch/listen:
https://leg.colorado.gov/watch-listen

Warning: You won't be in a better mood after watching/listening.

Ain't that the truth.

If these were honest debates, there might be merit in the arguments.

Since the Democrats almost always vote as a unified bloc, and they have control of both houses, the arguments against anything they propose are moot.

And that is very disheartening.

These bills will all pass. We can only hope Governor Polis, wanting to appear as a centrist in his run towards the White House, will veto one or more of them.

Otherwise it will be a long and likely fruitless fight through the court systems.

[eddiememphis]

066 passed

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Considering the Merchant Code (066?) and the red flag laws (which we should call warrantless gun confiscations) along with CO wanting to get into monitoring and controlling social media, that is pretty chilling.

The argument I saw for the merch code was that somehow it could have caught the Aurora movie shooter??? He spent like $5k+ in the month before the shooting.

Uhm?.yeah. If you buy a nice rifle, a scope and a box of ammo (and I mean a 1000 rounds) it would be hard NOT to spend that much. On the other hand a mass shooter could buy a Cheap PSA AR and 200 rounds- that seems to be a common load out.? how is that going to stand out in the system. Or is this, along with the new CO version of ATF, going to be harassing everyone that buys over $500 or $1000 worth of merch?’

Buy a 1000 rounds of ammo and get red flagged?

So are they ?bum-rushing? all these laws to limit somoenes Ike the the RMGO to fight them?

[hollohas]

These are all bad news and my guess is they all pass.

Next thing we know it, CBI bureaucrats will be knocking on doors to "investigate" anything they can, bypassing local elected LE.

I'm willing to bet they go after locally available mags first.

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[kidicarus13]

These are all bad news and my guess is they all pass.

Next thing we know it, CBI bureaucrats will be knocking on doors to "investigate" anything they can, bypassing local elected LE.

I'm willing to bet they go after locally available mags first.

Sent from my SM-S928U using TapatalkAccording to OneGuy67...

Senator Sullivan wants the CBI to investigate all gun crimes, set up a tip line, and investigate those tips (to include those stores that sell 30 round mags, etc).

And OneGuy would know.

[hollohas]

According to OneGuy67...

Senator Sullivan wants the CBI to investigate all gun crimes, set up a tip line, and investigate those tips (to include those stores that sell 30 round mags, etc).

And OneGuy would know.What are you willing to bet that informants will be tasked with keeping the tip line busy?

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[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Why the CBI, why couldn’t they task the State Police with this? Why do they even need to pass a law?

[kidicarus13]

Colorado doesn't have "state police", but CBI is probably the closest to it.

[brutal]

Considering the Merchant Code (066?) and the red flag laws (which we should call warrantless gun confiscations) along with CO wanting to get into monitoring and controlling social media, that is pretty chilling.

The argument I saw for the merch code was that somehow it could have caught the Aurora movie shooter??? He spent like $5k+ in the month before the shooting.

Uhm?.yeah. If you buy a nice rifle, a scope and a box of ammo (and I mean a 1000 rounds) it would be hard NOT to spend that much. On the other hand a mass shooter could buy a Cheap PSA AR and 200 rounds- that seems to be a common load out.? how is that going to stand out in the system. Or is this, along with the new CO version of ATF, going to be harassing everyone that buys over $500 or $1000 worth of merch??

Buy a 1000 rounds of ammo and get red flagged?

So are they ?bum-rushing? all these laws to limit somoenes Ike the the RMGO to fight them?


About what I just spent buying and outfitting for a "cheap" muzzleloader setup. Scary single shot battlefield weapon of war.

[.455_Hunter]

The merchant code law shows their ignorance of just how a good portion of the shooting community operates. Multi-thousand dollar purchases are frequently the norm, and the whole "system" will get overwhelmed with "cry wolf" assessments very quickly. To them, a "normal" purchase is buying one 20 round box of hunting ammo for Grandpa's old rifle that you irresponsibly decided to keep in your home.

[eddiememphis]

96372

[OneGuy67]

Considering the Merchant Code (066?) and the red flag laws (which we should call warrantless gun confiscations) along with CO wanting to get into monitoring and controlling social media, that is pretty chilling.

The argument I saw for the merch code was that somehow it could have caught the Aurora movie shooter??? He spent like $5k+ in the month before the shooting.

Uhm?.yeah. If you buy a nice rifle, a scope and a box of ammo (and I mean a 1000 rounds) it would be hard NOT to spend that much. On the other hand a mass shooter could buy a Cheap PSA AR and 200 rounds- that seems to be a common load out.? how is that going to stand out in the system. Or is this, along with the new CO version of ATF, going to be harassing everyone that buys over $500 or $1000 worth of merch?’

Buy a 1000 rounds of ammo and get red flagged?

So are they ?bum-rushing? all these laws to limit somoenes Ike the the RMGO to fight them?

The general consensus argument is, the Dems are forecasting them losing a few seats in the upcoming election in the state House and Senate and they feel they need to push as much through this session since they have the (almost) supermajority. It will literally be up to Gov. Polis, to veto whatever he feels will be against his future aspirations.

[OneGuy67]

What are you willing to bet that informants will be tasked with keeping the tip line busy?

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There were a lot of Moms Demand Action people testifying on the various bills who mentioned several times of going into gun shops and seeing standard capacity magazines being sold and reporting them to their local law enforcement, who did nothing. So, yes, I would figure there would be a lot of these types of people reporting on the tipline and if there is a mandatory accountability language set up where the CBI would be required to log all calls and what they did with the information, it would be difficult to ignore the MDA people calling in all the gun shops for things of that nature. Add that to the fact, they want to make their own little ATF unit within the Department of Revenue, and the merchant code stuff going to the Attorney General's office, it causes a lot of work for various different government agencies.

[kidicarus13]

Add that to the fact, they want to make their own little ATF unit within the Department of Revenue

Would like to know more about this.

[.455_Hunter]

Would like to know more about this.


I would suspect it will fall under the Department of Oil and Pubic Safety, the folks who already administer the state's explosive permits (as a parallel to BATF FEL licences), along with gas pumps, fuel storage tanks, and carnival rides.

[eddiememphis]

1292 laid over until Monday. Seems like they are pushing it to the end of the session.

Hopefully they run out of time and let it die... until next year, of course.

[OneGuy67]

Would like to know more about this.

HB24-1353 - Firearms Dealer Requirements & Permit
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1353
Requires FFL's to also get a $400 state dealer permit to engage in business; requires mandatory reporting and employee training; requires numerous other regulations on dealers
**Introduced in House, Passed Business Affairs & Labor Committee, Moved onto Finance Committee 4/8/24 1:30 PM**

D - I've been told they would add/fall under Liquor.

[kidicarus13]

It won't fall under Liquor & Tobacco, but I could see another DOR sub-agency being created like they did with Sports Betting and Natural Medicine.

[OneGuy67]

It won't fall under Liquor & Tobacco, but I could see another DOR sub-agency being created like they did with Sports Betting and Natural Medicine.

That's what I've been told by uppers there in DOR.

[.455_Hunter]

It won't fall under Liquor & Tobacco, but I could see another DOR sub-agency being created like they did with Sports Betting and Natural Medicine.


Why not just expand O&PS?

[kidicarus13]

From Washing Gun Law (1) hour ago...
https://youtu.be/0K74NiOh6bM?si=x4aeb_cG-PEK92cY

I know, preaching to the choir.

[hollohas]

HB24-1353 - Firearms Dealer Requirements & Permit
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1353
Requires FFL's to also get a $400 state dealer permit to engage in business; requires mandatory reporting and employee training; requires numerous other regulations on dealers
**Introduced in House, Passed Business Affairs & Labor Committee, Moved onto Finance Committee 4/8/24 1:30 PM**

D - I've been told they would add/fall under Liquor.Requirement to obtain permits also means the ability for permits to be revoked. Which is where that particular bill, if passed into law, will go.

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[OneGuy67]

Why not just expand O&PS?

Because it would be regulatory and that is what DOR does with its sub units: gaming, liquor, marijuana, tax, etc, etc.

[.455_Hunter]

Because it would be regulatory and that is what DOR does with its sub units: gaming, liquor, marijuana, tax, etc, etc.


Right, OP&S currently regulates explosives operations with a permit system that runs in conjunction with BATF FEL licences. Why they would want another department to do it when OP&S already engages in similar profile system?

[Joe_K]

Right, OP&S currently regulates explosives operations with a permit system that runs in conjunction with BATF FEL licences. Why would want another department to do it when OP&S already engages in similar profile system?

The Bureaucracy loves them some Bureaucracy.

[Eric P]

Cheyenne dealers will love this regulation...

When I travel out of state, I check out the sporting goods stores for cheap ammo. Colorado doesn't own me and can't tell me what to do outside its border. Use tax for large sales tax free purchases out of state? Pft f the revenue collectors.

[.455_Hunter]

Cheyenne dealers will love this regulation...

When I travel out of state, I check out the sporting goods stores for cheap ammo. Colorado doesn't own me and can't tell me what to do outside its border. Use tax for large sales tax free purchases out of state? Pft f the revenue collectors.


There was a LGS in South Dakota checking drivers licences against a master list of restrictions to make sure they could sell mags, ammo and accessories to non-resident individuals. For example, they would have denied sale of standard capacity AR mags to myself, or ammo to an Illinois resident without a FIOD. They said making such sales could threaten their FFL status.

[DDT951]

Cheyenne dealers will love this regulation...

When I travel out of state, I check out the sporting goods stores for cheap ammo. Colorado doesn't own me and can't tell me what to do outside its border. Use tax for large sales tax free purchases out of state? Pft f the revenue collectors.

Wyoming will be happy...

[DDT951]

It looks like the bill has been postponed indefinitely.

https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb23-1230

[Joe_K]

There was a LGS in South Dakota checking drivers licences against a master list of restrictions to make sure they could sell mags, ammo and accessories to non-resident individuals. For example, they would have denied sale of standard capacity AR mags to myself, or ammo to an Illinois resident without a FIOD. They said making such sales could threaten their FFL status.

I would 100% rather support my local criminal gun dealer than give business to such Fudds.

[eddiememphis]

It looks like the bill has been postponed indefinitely.

https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb23-1230

That is last year's bill.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Just run your FFL functions on one entitity, and all the other sales on another entity. Guns from Wyoming FFL, Pmags and such from Wyoming Sporting Goods LLC., Just take over one of those Highway gas stations that are a McDonalds, a Gas station connected by a bathroom hallway.

I?m slowly coming to the realization that I am going to have to keep my gun room well organized or else I am going to be embarrassed when all the CBI ?wellness checks? or whatever they call they call warrantless visits.

[def90]

There was a LGS in South Dakota checking drivers licences against a master list of restrictions to make sure they could sell mags, ammo and accessories to non-resident individuals. For example, they would have denied sale of standard capacity AR mags to myself, or ammo to an Illinois resident without a FIOD. They said making such sales could threaten their FFL status.

Well, that dealer is wrong. They are not beholden to other states laws while making legal transactions within their own state

[def90]

That is last year's bill.

Yeah, the 23 in the bill title is the year of the bill.

[DDT951]

That is last year's bill.

My errors.

It looks like it on the calendar for second reading tomorrow.

https://leg.colorado.gov/content/house-floor-work-1

[kidicarus13]

My errors.

It looks like it on the calendar for second reading tomorrow.

https://leg.colorado.gov/content/house-floor-work-1It looked the same last week everyday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday.

[.455_Hunter]

It looked the same last week everyday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday.


Eventually, they will run out of time to process it in the senate too. The backdoor vote tallies must not be favorable, up to and including Polis.

[eddiememphis]

Eventually, they will run out of time to process it in the senate too. The backdoor vote tallies must not be favorable, up to and including Polis.

Hopefully you are correct.

I have watched the live view and replays of the process for a couple of weeks.

They only work for half a day in most cases.

There are still a lot of things on the calendar that have also been laid over. I think they are waiting until they are dealt with before bringing this one up since it will likely be argued for days.

[BPTactical]

Not so fast kids:
https://twitter.com/SethKlamann/status/1776300120599822718

[.455_Hunter]

Not so fast kids:
https://twitter.com/SethKlamann/status/1776300120599822718


Still doesn't seem to have much sense of urgency for such a key "priority".

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

If they get all these past, I can’t imagine what they’re going to try to do next session…

[eddiememphis]

066 passed the 3rd reading in the House.

1292 laid over until tomorrow.

[def90]

They'll pass everything but the assault weapons ban, that way everyone can breathe a collective sigh of relief as it could have been worse and everyone will forget about all of the other bullshit that just got thrown at us.

[Joe_K]

96401

[DDT951]

I don’t get the agenda.

They now have 4 weeks to get this passed. There isn’t even a senate version yet.

4 weeks is doable… but tight.

Are they just hoping this one stalls and don’t have to deal with it in an election year?

[MED]

They'll pass everything but the assault weapons ban, that way everyone can breathe a collective sigh of relief as it could have been worse and everyone will forget about all of the other bullshit that just got thrown at us.

Yep, they will keep doing that like they did last year until they pass all their agenda items while making people feel as though they got a win. Once they get all the other shit done, they will pass this too.

[callerys]

When is the legislative session over?

[eddiememphis]

https://leg.colorado.gov/#:~:text=74th%20General%20Assembly-,The%20Second%20Regular%20Session%20of%20the%20Sev enty%2Dfourth%20General%20Assembly,adjourn%20on%20 May%208%2C%202024.&text=House%20Speaker%20McCluskie%20resides%20in%20 Dillon%20and%20represents%20district%2013.,-Speaker%20Julie%20McCluskie

May 8, 2024

[buffalobo]

Supposedly AWB bill has been added to Special Orders Calendar by Monica Duran and could have floor vote tomorrow.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[buffalobo]

Finally found calendar. Actually under general orders section, supposedly second reading

https://leg.colorado.gov/content/house-floor-work-1

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[kidicarus13]

Finally found calendar. Actually under general orders section, supposedly second reading

https://leg.colorado.gov/content/house-floor-work-1

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.




It looked the same last week everyday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday.

And this week Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and today.

[eddiememphis]

1292 is being argued right now- 2:10 on Friday.

It will pass and they will run to their hidey-holes for the weekend, avoiding questions.

[eddiememphis]

Passed by voice vote at 2:30.

The "nays" sounded much louder to me...

[.455_Hunter]

Passed by voice vote at 2:30.

The "nays" sounded much louder to me...


So that's the 2nd reading in the House?

[SouthPaw]

Passed by voice vote at 2:30.

The "nays" sounded much louder to me...

They were clearer louder...

You can search through here to find it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiSavL4-6DA

[eddiememphis]

So that's the 2nd reading in the House?

Yes

[.455_Hunter]

The concept that this Tim Hernandez is some sort of hero to Gen Z is pretty pathetic. In know plenty of Gen Z types (especially on the younger end of the demographic) who would love to have a chat with him.

[Fentonite]

They were clearer louder...

You can search through here to find it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiSavL4-6DA


If you track through about 3/4 through the video (at about -2.21.00 remaining - it's a countdown til the end), you can hear the verbal vote. Clearly Nae's were in majority. What a sham.

[eddiememphis]

The concept that this Tim Hernandez is some sort of hero to Gen Z is pretty pathetic. In know plenty of Gen Z types (especially on the younger end of the demographic) who would love have a chat with him.

He has never won an election of the people. He was voted in by the Colorado Democrat Party to fill an empty seat.

Why did they choose him? Interesting question. We can only speculate.

However, he makes many of the more "progressive" members look like centrists in comparison.

[BPTactical]

Hernandez is a radical activist that was appointed by the party.
I hold him in the same light as Tay Anderson.
Loudmouth punks.
I listened for a couple of minutes when it first started and it was so amusing to hear him shouting his opinions.
Vile little punk.

This will without a doubt pass. Whether or not it makes it through the senate and then to the queens desk and signed remains to be seen.
The severity of it in its final form is also a question.

[Ramsker]

The House is a lost cause. It will pass. I have seen on some other sites where people have said "sources in the know saying the Senate doens't really want any part of this". But I find that hard to believe. CO might be a lost cause when it comes to gun control at this point. Too many idiots electing too many additional idiots.

Hopefully we can hold them off a little longer.

[.455_Hunter]

Hernandez is a radical activist that was appointed by the party.
I hold him in the same light as Tay Anderson.
Loudmouth punks.
I listened for a couple of minutes when it first started and it was so amusing to hear him shouting his opinions.
Vile little punk.


BP- Such a gentlemanly opinion compared to your usual discourse.

[BPTactical]

BP- Such a gentlemanly opinion compared to your usual discourse.

A weak moment on my behalf.
Please forgive me….for I have sinned.

If I were to say what I really feel about these people and this session you would never look at a lot of household objects, power tools and farm animals in the same light.

[DDT951]

When does panic buying begin?

[babarsac]

When does panic buying begin?

Already complete

[.455_Hunter]

When does panic buying begin?


If the senate takes the ball and aggressively runs with it, things will pick-up. Of course, if citizens and their families are long-time Colorado residents, "stocking-up" should have been occuring since a couple days after the 2012 election, when the state government first went "Triple D".

[DDT951]

One could be fully stocked up….

But still could panic but remaining wishes.

They are not mutually exclusive

[eddiememphis]

Third reading possibly Sunday Morning, along with 27 other items on the agenda.

[eddiememphis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDot9nzzzlI&ab_channel=ColoradoChannel

Live now- 12:43pm

[buffalobo]

Most of the testimony in support of the bill is absolutely stupid.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[eddiememphis]

Those opposed are not eloquent speakers either.

There is simple retort. This bill is not legal and needs to be re-written. The United States and the Colorado Constitutions both forbid it.

[kidicarus13]

Passed 35-2796442

Sent from my SM-G990U using Tapatalk

[buffalobo]

At least they picked up at least 8 dems to vote no.

Will see if Senate plays games to get it to Polis desk.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[DDT951]

At least they picked up at least 8 dems to vote no.

Will see if Senate plays games to get it to Polis desk.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

I am afraid it will pass...

[buffalobo]

Am sure it will pass. Just curious what the hi-jinks along the way will be.

The dems who voted against appear to be mostly women.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[Grant H.]

It's absolutely going to pass, and Pole smoker will sign it without a second thought.

[eddiememphis]

Two different thoughts on the Governor, assuming this passes the Senate.

He wants to be President, therefore-

1- He will veto it to appear more centrist to the swing voters that decide elections.

2- He will sign it to shore up the Democrat base.

I don't think the second is necessary. Most people that vote by party will continue to do so regardless of this one.

If Colorado voters allow abortion to be enshrined in the State Constitution under his watch, that may be seen as a bigger win for the leftists than a gun ban that is sure to be tied up in the courts for years, thus boosting his national image.

Since the House vote was closer than expected, he may punt this one, at least for this year.

He is still in office for three more years. Plenty of time to see if a more favorable bill will be passed.

He may be many things, but stupid is not one of them.

[.455_Hunter]

I believe they have until May 8th to get this done. Seems late to be starting from scratch on the senate side, but who knows.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Is there a TL/DR on the actual restrictions?

Interesting the number of ‘helicopter’ ride memes for the Hernandez guy (the first raising guy?) on X. Is that a South American Commie flying lessons allusion? I guess you can’t get red flagged for your helicopter…

The intersectional aspect of Pro-Hamas and Anti-2A is really chilling.

[FoxtArt]

Super TLDR if it passes, (strictly from memory, imperfect)

GRANDFATHERED BUT FUTHER ACQUISITION PROHIBITED
Any semi auto rifle with the typical attachments (pistol grips, etc.), e.g. any semi-auto rifle that does not have a traditional, Ruger 10-22-esq stock.
Any 50bmg
Any threated barrels on handguns and a few other mods.

OUTRIGHT BANNED (NO GRANDFATHERING)
e.g. "Trigger acceleration devices" binary triggers, etc.

[DDT951]

Read Section XIII of the bill to make your day even happier..

[kidicarus13]

(XIII)

ANY PART OR COMBINATION OF PARTS DESIGNED OR INTENDED TO CONVERT A FIREARM INTO AN ASSAULT WEAPON AS DEFINED IN THIS SUBSECTION (2).

(b)

"ASSAULT WEAPON" DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY FIREARM THAT HAS BEEN MADE PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE; AN ANTIQUE FIREARM MANUFACTURED BEFORE 1899; A REPLICA OF AN ANTIQUE FIREARM; A FIREARM THAT IS MANUALLY OPERATED BY BOLT, PUMP, LEVER, SLIDE ACTION, UNLESS THE FIREARM IS A SHOTGUN WITH A REVOLVING CYLINDER; OR A FIREARM THAT CAN ONLY FIRE RIMFIRE AMMUNITION.

(3)

"DETACHABLE MAGAZINE" MEANS AN AMMUNITION-FEEDING DEVICE THAT MAY BE REMOVED FROM A FIREARM WITHOUT DISASSEMBLY OF THE FIREARM ACTION, INCLUDING AN AMMUNITION-FEEDING DEVICE THAT MAY BE READILY REMOVED FROM A FIREARM WITH THE USE OF A BULLET, CARTRIDGE, ACCESSORY, OR OTHER TOOL, OR ANY OTHER OBJECT THAT FUNCTIONS AS A TOOL.

(4)

"FIREARM" HAS THE SAME MEANING AS SET FORTH IN SECTION 18-1-901.

(5)

"FIXED MAGAZINE" MEANS AN AMMUNITION-FEEDING DEVICE THAT IS PERMANENTLY ATTACHED TO A FIREARM, OR CONTAINED IN AND NOT REMOVABLE FROM A FIREARM, OR THAT IS OTHERWISE NOT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE. "FIXED MAGAZINE" DOES NOT INCLUDE AN ATTACHED TUBULAR DEVICE DESIGNED TO ACCEPT, AND CAPABLE OF OPERATING ONLY WITH, .22 CALIBER RIMFIRE AMMUNITION.

(6)

"GUN SHOW VENDOR" MEANS ANY PERSON WHO EXHIBITS, SELLS, OFFERS FOR SALE, TRANSFERS, OR EXCHANGES ANY FIREARM, INCLUDING AN ASSAULT WEAPON, AT A GUN SHOW, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE PERSON ARRANGES WITH A GUN SHOW PROMOTER FOR A FIXED LOCATION FROM WHICH TO EXHIBIT, SELL, OFFER FOR SALE, TRANSFER, OR EXCHANGE ANY FIREARM, INCLUDING AN ASSAULT WEAPON.

(7)

"LICENSED GUN DEALER" OR "LICENSED FIREARMS DEALER" MEANS ANY PERSON WHO IS A LICENSED IMPORTER, LICENSED MANUFACTURER, OR DEALER WHO IS LICENSED PURSUANT TO 18 U.S.C. SEC. 923, AS AMENDED, AS A FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARMS DEALER.

(8)

"PEACE OFFICER" HAS THE SAME MEANING AS SET FORTH IN SECTION 16-2.5-101.

(9)

"RAPID-FIRE TRIGGER ACTIVATOR" MEANS:

(a)

ANY MANUAL, POWER-DRIVEN, OR ELECTRONIC DEVICE THAT IS DESIGNED AND FUNCTIONS TO INCREASE THE RATE OF FIRE OF A SEMIAUTOMATIC FIREARM WHEN THE DEVICE IS ATTACHED TO THE FIREARM;

(b)

ANY PART OF A SEMIAUTOMATIC FIREARM OR COMBINATION OF PARTS THAT IS DESIGNED AND FUNCTIONS TO INCREASE THE RATE OF FIRE OF A SEMIAUTOMATIC FIREARM BY ELIMINATING THE NEED FOR THE OPERATOR OF THE FIREARM TO MAKE A SEPARATE MOVEMENT FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL FUNCTION OF THE TRIGGER; OR

(c)

ANY OTHER DEVICE, PART, OR COMBINATION OF PARTS THAT IS

DESIGNED AND FUNCTIONS TO SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE THE RATE OF FIRE OF A SEMIAUTOMATIC FIREARM ABOVE THE STANDARD RATE OF FIRE FOR A SEMIAUTOMATIC FIREARM THAT IS NOT EQUIPPED WITH THAT DEVICE, PART, OR COMBINATION OF PARTS.

[callerys]

So now we can't even get a gunsmith to thread a barrel for a suppressor? Why ban 50BMG is it a highly used round with gangs and criminals? Makes no sense.

[TRnCO]

Dems rarely "make sense" when it comes to writing laws..

[Joe_K]

So now we can't even get a gunsmith to thread a barrel for a suppressor? Why ban 50BMG is it a highly used round with gangs and criminals? Makes no sense.

It makes sense when you realize none of this is about stopping evil violence/gangs/murder. It is designed to prevent The People from being able to resist and overthrow evil government tyrants.

.50BMG may not be all that popular with your local gangbangers, but it can be effectively used to make it harder to round people up and put them on trains bound for the reeducation camps.

[FoxtArt]

I believe they have until May 8th to get this done. Seems late to be starting from scratch on the senate side, but who knows.

That is true. The end of the legislative session is what killed the 2023 version even more than committee, to be fair.

They aren't however starting from scratch, but if the senate argues to modify a single thing, it's effectively dead.

[mackbamf]

I moved to AZ almost 8 years ago. I have to unfortunately come back to Colorado once a month to see clients. I grew up in Colorado and loved it but it has turned into such a shit hole over the last 20 years on so many levels. This type of legislation makes me so grateful that I bounced out of there. Hopefully this stalls in the Senate but they are relentless and this feels like it is getting closer. I am sure it will come up again next session even if it does fail. Meanwhile, I will be making legal private party transfers in a shopping mall parking lot near me down here. [Wink]

[ray1970]

Why ban 50BMG is it a highly used round with gangs and criminals? Makes no sense.

Thanks for the chuckle. I think you and I both know this stuff has nothing to do with crime or public safety.

[DDT951]

That is true. The end of the legislative session is what killed the 2023 version even more than committee, to be fair.

They aren't however starting from scratch, but if the senate argues to modify a single thing, it's effectively dead.

My guess is Polis wants this to go away.

This is a way to kill it without killing it…. This year….

It will be back next year. And the next year.

Since Commiefornication occurred… it’s just a question of time… and it’s running out for you…

[MED]

So now we can't even get a gunsmith to thread a barrel for a suppressor? Why ban 50BMG is it a highly used round with gangs and criminals? Makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense if the goal is to disarm Americans.

[MED]

My guess is Polis wants this to go away.

This is a way to kill it without killing it…. This year….

It will be back next year. And the next year.

Since Commiefornication occurred… it’s just a question of time… and it’s running out for you…

They said last year that this is a 3-5 year agenda. They will likely pass most of the really bad shit this year, get their gestapo network in place with the CBI expansion bill, and save the AWB for next year in a non-election year, which is the best we can hope for at this point. It's going to suck for sure because we won't be able to to get parts, replacement barrels or much of anything. SB66 and SB3 turns everything into cash sales in CO; that really sucks.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

So now we can't even get a gunsmith to thread a barrel for a suppressor? Why ban 50BMG is it a highly used round with gangs and criminals? Makes no sense.

You mean for a pistol, right? I read somewhere about muzzle brakes being banned too- but is that for semi autos or all guns?


They said last year that this is a 3-5 year agenda. They will likely pass most of the really bad shit this year, get their gestapo network in place with the CBI expansion bill, and save the AWB for next year in a non-election year, which is the best we can hope for at this point. It's going to suck for sure because we won't be able to to get parts, replacement barrels or much of anything. SB66 and SB3 turns everything into cash sales in CO; that really sucks.

And where does the parts thing come in?

[Rooskibar03]

I moved to AZ almost 8 years ago. I have to unfortunately come back to Colorado once a month to see clients. I grew up in Colorado and loved it but it has turned into such a shit hole over the last 20 years on so many levels. This type of legislation makes me so grateful that I bounced out of there. Hopefully this stalls in the Senate but they are relentless and this feels like it is getting closer. I am sure it will come up again next session even if it does fail. Meanwhile, I will be making legal private party transfers in a shopping mall parking lot near me down here. [Wink]

There's almost enough COAR folks in AZ for meetup nowadays.

[MED]

You mean for a pistol, right? I read somewhere about muzzle brakes being banned too- but is that for semi autos or all guns?



And where does the parts thing come in?

In the definition of Assault Weapon on page 11 lines 9-11 of the reengrossed bill, they state any part or combination of parts intended to assemble an assault weapon in the definition of assault weapon, which is prohibited from manufacture, import, purchase, sale, or offer to sale in 18-12-603. All specific parts associated with any firearm that meets the definition will be prohibited from sale in Colorado such as barrels fitted with a barrel extension, handguards, grips, receiver extensions, buffers, stocks, FCGs, triggers, BCGs, LPKs, ect.

Edit: The first question wasn't directed to me, but I thought I would answer it. It is a qualifier characteristic for both semi-auto pistols and rifles. Muzzle brakes are not banned, but one on a semi-auto pistol or rifle would make it an "assault weapon" if all the other qualifiers didn't...lol.

[DDT951]

You mean for a pistol, right? I read somewhere about muzzle brakes being banned too- but is that for semi autos or all guns?



And where does the parts thing come in?

What is the difference between a muzzle brake for a .308 bolt action and an AR-10?

How can you tell the difference between 5/8-24 threaded muzzle brake if it goes on a bolt action or semi auto ?

[.455_Hunter]

What is the difference between a muzzle brake for a .308 bolt action and an AR-10?

How can you tell the difference between 5/8-24 threaded muzzle brake if it goes on a bolt action or semi auto ?


The ill-defined restrictions are either bugs or features, depending on viewpoint.

Like stated before, this is not targeted at criminals. It is intended to make the patriotic citizen "gun culture" a relic of the past. Sure, you can buy a traditional hunting rifle or handgun, for now. I am sure Tiny Tim Hernandez's minders already have plans.

[MED]

What is the difference between a muzzle brake for a .308 bolt action and an AR-10?

How can you tell the difference between 5/8-24 threaded muzzle brake if it goes on a bolt action or semi auto ?

It doesn't matter; it's just a qualifier to meet the definition of an assault weapon. It is not a qualifier for bolt rifles. Muzzle breaks are not a platform specific part so I doubt there will be an issue getting them, but who knows....this is Colorado.

[hollohas]

My guess is Polis wants this to go away.

This is a way to kill it without killing it?. This year?.

It will be back next year. And the next year.

Since Commiefornication occurred? it?s just a question of time? and it?s running out for you?This.

Polis can't veto it and he can't approve it because of his future aspirations.

I'm sure he's already made whatever calls he needs to certain Senate folks who will gladly slow this down so it never makes it to his desk.

And then our next even more commie governor will pass it.

[def90]

Yeah, it's a matter of time unless the Colorado Republicans manage to turn things around and get some of themselves elected. They don't seem to have any kind of a plan to ever win again though.

[buffalobo]

Yeah, it's a matter of time unless the Colorado Republicans manage to turn things around and get some of themselves elected. They don't seem to have any kind of a plan to ever win again though.This, Colorado Republican party is a disaster. How do you lose 130,000 registered voters?

Dave Williams needs to be tossed out and run off. His leadership will guarantee Democrat domination of state legislature for many years and will probably cost the party a couple of U.S. house seats.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[DDT951]

The ill-defined restrictions are either bugs or features, depending on viewpoint.

Like stated before, this is not targeted at criminals. It is intended to make the patriotic citizen "gun culture" a relic of the past. Sure, you can buy a traditional hunting rifle or handgun, for now. I am sure Tiny Tim Hernandez's minders already have plans.

They are features.

They want all guns gone.

One bite at a time?

[DDT951]

It doesn't matter; it's just a qualifier to meet the definition of an assault weapon. It is not a qualifier for bolt rifles. Muzzle breaks are not a platform specific part so I doubt there will be an issue getting them, but who knows....this is Colorado.

That is why the civil penalties are there. It?s a low burden of proof.

The AG will send undercover in to buy a muzzle brake. Then the buyer will say he is going to put this on his AR-10 when purchasing. The UC will have this on audio / video.

Boom civil fine. And do that $750 fine 100 times for a fun store and they are out of business.

[fright88]

So I am curious. If the awb passes would something like a tri lug on an ap5 be illegal?

[TRnCO]

This, Colorado Republican party is a disaster. How do you lose 130,000 registered voters? From reading on here it seems a lot of them are moving to Okla. or AZ. Can't say as I blame them.

[DDT951]

So I am curious. If the awb passes would something like a tri lug on an ap5 be illegal?

My reading is probably not (unless it is threaded onto a barrel).

It is
1) a flash hider not a muzzle brake
2) it’s not threaded

And since the is probably a Moms demand action person reading this thread…

They know what to write in next years AWB

[Bailey Guns]

From reading on here it seems a lot of them are moving to Okla. or AZ. Can't say as I blame them.


When we left Colorado in 2015 after living there nearly 30 years, politics was one of the reasons...but it was pretty far down on the list. For us it was the cost of living and the crowds/congestion everywhere we went. The politics weren't nearly as bad as they are now but it was pretty easy to see what the future was gonna bring.

I've lived all over the world in my 63 years and I've gotta say, southeast OK is far and away the best place I've lived. I still stay in touch with several friends there. One friend, an airline pilot who lives in Bailey, just retired in Feb. After his last flight out of DFW he drove home to CO and stopped here along the way. He said he never imagined OK was such a nice place and he was stunned at what we pay for things like property taxes, car registrations, etc... We went to dinner one night and he leaned across the table to whisper something that was pro-Trump to us. I laughed and told him he didn't have to whisper that sort of thing here...he wasn't in the land of leftists. He wants to move here but the wife isn't having it.

OK doesn't have the best gun laws in the country, maybe...but it's definitely on the short list of the best.

[Great-Kazoo]

There's almost enough COAR folks in AZ for meetup nowadays.

2 in the valley, 2 (including yourself) within 20 min of each other and 3 up in chino valley.


We'd have to meet in the valley, somewhere. From where you are down south. To where i am up north, it's a 1/2 way point




I moved to AZ almost 8 years ago. I have to unfortunately come back to Colorado once a month to see clients. I grew up in Colorado and loved it but it has turned into such a shit hole over the last 20 years on so many levels. This type of legislation makes me so grateful that I bounced out of there. Hopefully this stalls in the Senate but they are relentless and this feels like it is getting closer. I am sure it will come up again next session even if it does fail. Meanwhile, I will be making legal private party transfers in a shopping mall parking lot near me down here. [Wink]


Was in your area yesterday. 85 in the valley, 73 when i got back home, up the hill.




Heads up to all of you. Watch out for the Ranked Choice Voting on the ballot this year. 1 in favor of, 1 against. WE do not want RCV in AZ. I'll post in the legislative as i get more info.

[JohnnyEgo]

There is a third option for Polis, and that is to do nothing and allow the bill to become law.

Polis is pretty tight with the 'second floor' , which is registered lobbyists speak for the Senate. That which he is unwilling to abide does not usually make it out of the Senate.

(I just edited out a bunch of work stuff I thought better of after posting)

I suspect that if this makes it out of the Senate, it will pass into law with or without the governor's signature.

[Ramsker]

Yeah, it's a matter of time unless the Colorado Republicans manage to turn things around and get some of themselves elected. They don't seem to have any kind of a plan to ever win again though.

I'm not really sure what republicans can do at this point . . . moderate on abortion and try to get people to realize how freaking crazy the progressives are?

Realistically, at this point, this state has been thoroughly taken over by lunatic leftists from inside and especially from outside. They move to CO for the lifestyle and weather (and because it's becoming CA-East) and conservative voters have flocked to more red states. It just seems like game over at this point. The only hope we really have is that people start to realize how batchit crazy the dems are and we can get some good candidates and that maybe, just maybe, the population will start to turn back and things go the other direction.

Outside of John Elway or Peyton Manning running for senate like Garvey is doing in CA, it's going to be a really tough, uphill climb.

[.455_Hunter]

I'm not really sure what republicans can do at this point . . . moderate on abortion and try to get people to realize how freaking crazy the progressives are?

Realistically, at this point, this state has been thoroughly taken over by lunatic leftists from inside and especially from outside. They move to CO for the lifestyle and weather (and because it's becoming CA-East) and conservative voters have flocked to more red states. It just seems like game over at this point. The only hope we really have is that people start to realize how batchit crazy the dems are and we can get some good candidates and that maybe, just maybe, the population will start to turn back and things go the other direction.

Outside of John Elway or Peyton Manning running for senate like Garvey is doing in CA, it's going to be a really tough, uphill climb.


The Republican platform has several planks that essentially guarantee only the most puritanical Karens get nominated. If a truly small "c" conservative with libertarian tendencies could represent the party, they might see more success. As shown nationwide and recently in VA, the Republican's apparent fetish with trying to micromanage female reproductive systems has not been flushed with success in subsequent election cycles. Other issues are similar, and getting policy guidance based on the Jerry Falwell bedroom management priority list not a good look for gaining votes in today's electorate.

This is coming from somebody who has been a registered Republican since age 18 and was specifically focused on Clinton not getting elected to a second term.

[eddiememphis]

It doesn't matter what the Republicans do.

A more conservative platform will not appeal to anyone that was raised in the "everyone gets a trophy" and "equity and inclusion" era. Telling them to get a haircut and a job would send them scurrying to their safe spaces.

The incessant creep of leftism is unstoppable, as is the inevitable collapse of society when they gain enough power- which may be the plan for some of them.

From Mike Rosen's latest column on Complete Colorado-

The ultimate death blow was laid out in a 1966 article in the far-left “Nation” magazine by Richard Clowen and Francis Fox Piven, a duo of Marxist revolutionaries at the Columbia University School of Social Work. Their strategy to create a new socialist state, here, was to overwhelm the system by creating crises only the government could solve with enormous spending programs, the weight of which would bring on fiscal collapse. In the aftermath, a popular revolution would follow led by Marxist activists in the name of the poor and legions of dependents on government handouts.

[Joe_K]

The Republican platform has several planks that essentially guarantee only the most puritanical Karens get nominated. If a truly small "c" conservative with libertarian tendencies could represent the party, they might see more success. As shown nationwide and recently in VA, the Republican's apparent fetish with trying to micromanage female reproductive systems has not been flushed with success in subsequent election cycles. Other issues are similar, and getting policy guidance based on the Jerry Falwell bedroom management priority list not a good look for gaining votes in today's electorate.

This is coming from somebody who has been a registered Republican since age 18 and was specifically focused on Clinton not getting elected to a second term.

The Communists have the demographics in Colorado and have no reason whatever not to lie, cheat, and steal anything and everything, up to and including, (especially), elections.

The few remaining good people in government, or at the very least the ones trying to be good, will not succeed at winning by watering down the good to try to combat bad government.

That is like trying to sell slightly less muddy mud to pigs. The pigs want the mud, and the filthier the better. While countering that by offering an actual clean alternative to the mud will only sell to folks that recognize wallowing in filth is actually NOT a good thing.

Hoping we will attract more people in the middle by looking more like the Communists might win an election here and there if the elections were fair, and the demographics were in our favor but trying to fight Communists with timidity does not work.

[.455_Hunter]

The Communists have the demographics in Colorado and have no reason whatever not to lie, cheat, and steal anything and everything, up to and including, (especially), elections.

The few remaining good people in government, or at the very least the ones trying to be good, will not succeed at winning by watering down the good to try to combat bad government.

That is like trying to sell slightly less muddy mud to pigs. The pigs want the mud, and the filthier the better. While countering that by offering an actual clean alternative to the mud will only sell to folks that recognize wallowing in filth is actually NOT a good thing.

Hoping we will attract more people in the middle by looking more like the Communists might win an election here and there if the elections were fair, and the demographics were in our favor but trying to fight Communists with timidity does not work.

I said nothing that supports being timid. In actually, it's more timid to support the Republican blowhard ideologues are offered up to us instead of developing quality electable candidates. General conservative policies of personal responsibility, self determination, and buffered government intervention poll quite well. But of course, by the time they get packaged in the form of a candidate, the mind numbing stupid inevitably gets added to mix.

[MED]

The Communists have the demographics in Colorado and have no reason whatever not to lie, cheat, and steal anything and everything, up to and including, (especially), elections.

The few remaining good people in government, or at the very least the ones trying to be good, will not succeed at winning by watering down the good to try to combat bad government.

That is like trying to sell slightly less muddy mud to pigs. The pigs want the mud, and the filthier the better. While countering that by offering an actual clean alternative to the mud will only sell to folks that recognize wallowing in filth is actually NOT a good thing.

Hoping we will attract more people in the middle by looking more like the Communists might win an election here and there if the elections were fair, and the demographics were in our favor but trying to fight Communists with timidity does not work.

2000 was the key year. The Democrats won the Senate during that redistricting year, and they were able to shift the process from the legislature to the courts filled with Lamb and Romer appointees. The seats were Gerrymandered then, and worse in subsequent redistricting. My mountain Senate district is insane. There is a big pole that extends to the west side of Denver in order to push the district Blue. The Republicans were really big on purging the party of moderates in the late 90s and early 2000s, and it cost them. Things will not change in this state without a major shift in public opinion; even then it would be short lived unless they can do what the Dems did and take control of redistricting, but I think some changes were made to the process, which may prevent that. Things are so institutionalized at this point. The courts are completely filled with Democrat appointees. I worked in the General Assembly in those years, was a committeeman, and was pretty plugged in to the whole thing. Taking back this state would be a major task, and there is too much infighting among opposition groups to even start. If the opposition isn't willing to work together because they don't like this or that, forget it....not going to happen.

[eddiememphis]

General conservative policies of personal responsibility, self determination, and buffered government intervention poll quite well. But of course, by the time they get packaged in the form of a candidate, the mind numbing stupid inevitably gets added to mix.

Men that live their lives by those principles usually have little interest in becoming politicians.

[.455_Hunter]

Men that live their lives by those principles usually have interest in becoming politicians.


(Assuming you meant "little interest"...)

Very true, and park of the reason why the concept of jury duty like appointments for political positions floats around in my head. If somebody wants to be on the school board, city council, county commission, state legislature and on up, you probably don't want them to be in that position.

[Joe_K]

I said nothing that supports being timid. In actually, it's more timid to support the Republican blowhard ideologues are offered up to us instead of developing quality electable candidates. General conservative policies of personal responsibility, self determination, and buffered government intervention poll quite well. But of course, by the time they get packaged in the form of a candidate, the mind numbing stupid inevitably gets added to mix.

Saying that good laws are a turn off to bad people who might otherwise vote for a Conservative is precisely how you get a party as ridiculously timid as the Republicans.

When The People get done wanting more of the freedoms they could freely practice in a 6x8 prison cell, they might see that liberty and life must be preserved before anyone can have any time to consider the pursuit of happiness. Being free to genocide yourself is the freedom to doom yourself and future generations, which is not freedom, it is investment in future tyranny.

Blaming Pro Lifers for the demise of the Republican Party/Conservatism in a state like Virginia or Colorado, is like blaming the Weatherman who predicted the Tornado, for the aftermath of the storm. People not liking other people who warn or work against uncomfortable truths is nothing new. Moses did not poll particularly high with Pharaoh.

[.455_Hunter]

Saying that good laws are a turn off to bad people who might otherwise vote for a Conservative is precisely how you get a party as ridiculously timid as the Republicans. When The People get done wanting more of the freedoms they could freely practice in a 6x8 prison cell, they might see that liberty and life must be preserved before anyone can have any time to consider the pursuit of happiness. Being free to genocide yourself is the freedom to doom yourself and future generations, which is not freedom, it is investment in future tyranny. Blaming Pro Lifers for the demise of the Republican Party/Conservatism in a state like Virginia or Colorado, is like blaming the Weatherman who predicted the Tornado, for the aftermath of the storm. People not liking other people who warn or work against uncomfortable truths is nothing new. Moses did not poll particularly high with Pharaoh.


Sorry, but in the electorial system we supposedly have now, adherence to a policy that is not popular with the majority population, plus also a key discriminator for how many of them vote, is the pathway to irrelevance. It's like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic while simultaneously stepping on your own dick. The pragmatic fact is that the purity test in question compromises every other actually good policy that is bundled with it. The topic is far down on my list of personal concerns, and I am done with the political gamesmanship degrading things that I do greatly care about, such as 2A rights for myself and my family.

[hollohas]

I said nothing that supports being timid. In actually, it's more timid to support the Republican blowhard ideologues are offered up to us instead of developing quality electable candidates. General conservative policies of personal responsibility, self determination, and buffered government intervention poll quite well. But of course, by the time they get packaged in the form of a candidate, the mind numbing stupid inevitably gets added to mix.

It's amazing that every pundit everywhere keeps saying Republicans lose because of their poor quality candidates. Meanwhile, Democrats can run literally anyone with a pulse and win. There are Dems that literally can't form a sentence that win.

We're playing by two total different sets of rules. No game is fair when the teams have different rules.

It's not about actual candidates anymore.



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[def90]

I'm not really sure what republicans can do at this point . . . moderate on abortion and try to get people to realize how freaking crazy the progressives are?

Realistically, at this point, this state has been thoroughly taken over by lunatic leftists from inside and especially from outside. They move to CO for the lifestyle and weather (and because it's becoming CA-East) and conservative voters have flocked to more red states. It just seems like game over at this point. The only hope we really have is that people start to realize how batchit crazy the dems are and we can get some good candidates and that maybe, just maybe, the population will start to turn back and things go the other direction.

Outside of John Elway or Peyton Manning running for senate like Garvey is doing in CA, it's going to be a really tough, uphill climb.

According to the secretary of state there are roughly 1 million registered Ds, 955k registered Rs and 1.6 million registered as unaffiliated. It?s not about swaying the lunatics on the left to switch sides, it would only take a small shift in the middle.

[eddiememphis]

(Assuming you meant "little interest"...)

Very true, and park of the reason why the concept of jury duty like appointments for political positions floats around in my head. If somebody wants to be on the school board, city council, county commission, state legislature and on up, you probably don't want them to be in that position.

Correct. I originally type "no" but that wasn't accurate.

[def90]

It's amazing that every pundit everywhere keeps saying Republicans lose because of their poor quality candidates. Meanwhile, Democrats can run literally anyone with a pulse and win. There are Dems that literally can't form a sentence that win.

We're playing by two total different sets of rules. No game is fair when the teams have different rules.

It's not about actual candidates anymore.



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Also, dont forget that the saying is "vote blue no matter who" while people on the right will bitch and moan and stay home or run a 3rd party spoiler if someone doesn't check of one of the boxes.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I’ve said for years that I will never vote for a Dem for any office at any level as long as my gun rights are in danger. You’d think someone like Polis would be smart enough to realize that the gun issue has run its course, and these last bits of virtue signalling limits their parties scope. There are some Dems that I’d vote for if the gun thing was finally decided. But the left seems to come up with new ways to circumvent 2A/Heller/Bruen, and while it seems like the ‘gun wars’ may be coming to a close, it seems that they are just going to go crazier and cringier. The CC code bill, EPRs, bringing in your doc/med records. The latest crystal ball I heard is that CA will try to do a baby NFA and tax the crap out of them. So the Dems don’t learn- stop petting a burning dog.

[hatidua]

If somebody wants to be on the school board, city council, county commission, state legislature and on up, you probably don't want them to be in that position.

so true :(

[Ramsker]

According to the secretary of state there are roughly 1 million registered Ds, 955k registered Rs and 1.6 million registered as unaffiliated. It?s not about swaying the lunatics on the left to switch sides, it would only take a small shift in the middle.

The vast majority of people I know who are "Independent" . . . vote Dem 99% of the time. The deck is more stacked than those numbers imply, IMHO.

[.455_Hunter]

From RMGO....


Breaking: "Assault Weapons Ban" has been assigned to the Senate State, Veterans and Military Affairs Committee. We will update when a hearing date is scheduled.


Good, bad or indifferent?

Didn't this used to be the "kill committee"?

Fundamentally, how does something of this magnitude not get assigned to Judiciary?

[def90]

The vast majority of people I know who are "Independent" . . . vote Dem 99% of the time. The deck is more stacked than those numbers imply, IMHO.

And if you talk to anyone on the left they will tell you that everyone they know that is an independent votes R 99% of the time.

[eddiememphis]

I don't see it anywhere on the calendar yet and found this-
April 23 (Tuesday) Final passage of House bills in the Senate and Senate bills in the House.* 105th Day

Looks like they have 5 days to get it through?