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Interesting, as we all know "nothing gets tossed into the public domain" unless multiple agendas are at-work. What gives here?
Israel Weighs Merits of Solo Attack on Iran (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703757504575194223689622084.html?m od=WSJ_World_LeadStory)
SOURCE: Wall Street Journal
April 21, 2010
[Israeli] Officials, Seeing Impending Policy Split With U.S., Debate Prospect of a Military Strike Without Washington's Consent
Some senior Israeli officials say in interviews that they see signs Washington may be willing to live with a nuclear-armed Iran, an eventuality that Israel says it won't accept. Compounding Israeli concerns were U.S. statements this past weekend that underscored U.S. resistance to a military option.
A weak, militarily impotent and soon to be globally irrelevant ally in Washington…nah…can’t be? Can it?
Batteriesnare
04-20-2010, 23:00
Well....yeah, I actually agree with that, the way Barry's been running the show its a very legitimate statement.
HBARleatherneck
04-21-2010, 05:26
BO doesnt want Jews to kill muslims. and he couldnt be party to that
Bailey Guns
04-21-2010, 05:30
I have no problem with the Israelis doing what they need to do. My only fear is, if they get in over their heads the US (under it's current "leadership"...a term used lightly here) won't be there to help them out.
HBARleatherneck
04-21-2010, 06:05
yes, that would be bad, if Hussein left them on thier own.
we need iran to to stop destabalizing the world.
lets see, syria, lebanon, iraq, all controlled by (or would be if we werent there). chavez is emboldened by another loser in power.
for the sake of global stability, we need to eliminate irans nuclear and long range missles.
we also need to eleminate thier nuclear threat, because nobdody likes nuclear winter.
Let the bodies hit the floor
http://www.seraphicpress.com/images/Israeli_Air_Force_F-16I_fighter_jet.jpg
I'm on Israels side... period. If they decide to pave over the ME and build a Walmart... more power to 'em.
Obozo on the other hand... Lord help us if he doesn't take a stand.
Pistol Packing Preacher
04-21-2010, 09:12
Let the bodies hit the floor
http://www.seraphicpress.com/images/Israeli_Air_Force_F-16I_fighter_jet.jpg
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Ryan_Th3_K1d
04-21-2010, 09:29
Let the bodies hit the floor
http://www.seraphicpress.com/images/Israeli_Air_Force_F-16I_fighter_jet.jpg
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http://www.seraphicpress.com/images/Israeli_Air_Force_F-16I_fighter_jet.jpg
Ok, any F-16 aficionados see what's different with this plane? Other than being a B model, running from the aft of the cockpit to the root of the horizontal stabilizer is a pod that isn't on any US F-16 variant. I tried researching it on Janes a while ago, the first time I saw a picture of it. I got almost nothing. Best guess is it's either additional sensor suites (visible/infrared/radar/lidar) or it's additional counter measures.
For comparison, look at the top of the fuselage in this picture:
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f16/f16_06.jpg
Of course consider the source... the errornet .. and the angle of the shot makes it appear to be without the sensor pod on the facing fuselage side. But that is more than likely an Israeli F-16I.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/f-16i-pics.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/f-16i.htm
Isn't Israel currently kicking people out of their homes and giving them to Jews?
If Israel wants to act like a bunch of a-holes, let them do it by themselves.
Israel has a track record, dating back thousands of years, of kicking the shit out of syrians, persians, and pretty much everyone else.
When the time comes they are going punish Iran, and that time is coming soon.
Batteriesnare
04-21-2010, 11:44
Just another thought.
Revelation, if anyone's read it, says that there will be a war with Israel and Gog and Magog, which when you trace it is Iran and Russia.
And we know that Russia and Iran are in bed together.
Just saying....
HBARleatherneck
04-21-2010, 11:58
Isn't Israel currently kicking people out of their homes and giving them to Jews?
If Israel wants to act like a bunch of a-holes, let them do it by themselves.
first that is a mostly bullshit statement. second Israel is kicking people out of thier homes. but they are kicking Jews out of thier homes.
arabs can do whatever they want in Israel. But, the Jews get shafted by thier own government. Israel is not kicking arabs out of thier homes. arabs in Israel enjoy full citizenship. they are not being kicked out of thier homes. arabs in the PA (palastinian authority) are not being kicked out of thier homes by Israel.
You need a history lesson. Israel was supposed to be given a split part to Jews, part to arabs. that piece of land encompassed what is now Israel and what is now Jordan. unfortuantely for Israel, some rich sheik went and talked to Britain and was " given" all the land that is now jordan. so immediately the amount of land given to the Jews was tiny. in 1948 the arab countries, mullahs, etc. told all of the arabs to leave the area. since all the neighboring arab countries were going to attack. well as you should know Israel kicked the shit out of all the arab attackers. now, for the most part, the arabs that left Israel, didnt even try to come back for many years. not untill pressured by the same arab countries and mullahs to "reclaim" thier places. Since then there has been numerous chances for the arabs to have thier own country. they dont want to live side by side with Jews. they want to kill all the Jews ( and Americans). these worthless people never had a government, never had an economy, never produced anything,(besides bullshit and terror), never invented anything. the land was barren. Jews built the land up, they have produced countless
medical and technological inventions. they allow arabs to have full citizenship of Israel. Arabs/muslims dont want to be friends with Americans, Jews, Christians. They want world domination. They just have nothing better to do than war with Israel. Dont think it wont be coming here if they are given the chance to wage war on us.
Jews, were driven from thier homes in 1948 from almost all the arab lands and never were they repaid, or offered the chance to come back.
what would America do if a country fired more than 12000 rocket at us in ten years? well 1 day of terror attacks and we have killed hundreds of thousands of iraqis and afghanis. so, is Israel supposed to put up with it forever. Israel even allows the worthless arabs to come into Israel proper to work. they provide electricity and all the infrastructer and medical facilities for these worthless people who cant and wont provide it for themselves
Isn't Israel currently kicking people out of their homes and giving them to Jews?
If Israel wants to act like a bunch of a-holes, let them do it by themselves.
Couldn't agree more.
Israel,,,will not get any sympathy from me.
We had one mission,get Osama bin Laden,and those responsible for 9/11/2001.
THAT was and SHOULD be our only goal in the Mideast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgep1dqtVEA&feature=related
http://www.answers.com/topic/jewish-defense-league
Isn't Israel currently kicking people out of their homes and giving them to Jews?
Israel is trying its' damnedest to "keep the peace". They are kicking certain people out of houses (yes sometimes forcibly) only on certain territories as Israel is trying to reclaim her land.
There is a long history there. In summation, God gave Israel certain land. The other countries (all arab/muslim who sole existence according to their religion is to purge the world of Jews and Infidels for the coming of their savior) have claimed more and more of Israels' land over the millineia. There has been war in the ME for thousands of years over this. Finally in 1968(?) Israel was granted a place to call their own. No one in the Arab/Muslim world will honor that and still try to stake their claim on that land....
Israel won't give it up as they believe it was gifted to them by God. The Arabs/Muslims won't give it up as it's a way to pester the Jews/Infidels that they believe must be killed at any cost.
I'm not a Biblical scholar, but the thing that interests me are some of the "phrophecies" in both the Bible and the Torah that speak of another world war centered in the ME between Jews and Muslims... We've been building toward that war for over half a century now since Israel became a recognized state. Once the rebuilding of Solomon's temple begins in the Arab sector of Jerusalem.... things will become very interesting.
I do concede that both Israel and the Arab/Muslim world do pick at each other. There is fault on both sides. As for me, I side with Israel, however, I believe American involvement should be a no-go in the Middle East until actual war is declared or our (personal American) interests are attacked. The oil issue is a no-go, we have our own if we'd just do teh drilling.
GreenScoutII
04-21-2010, 12:27
Personally, I'm sympathetic to Israel. If it does come down to a fight between them and Iran, I hope the Israelis kick the shit out of them.
As far as the US is concerned, this is exactly why we need energy independence NOW. If it were not for oil in the middle east, I'd say it is not our problem. Let Iran and Israel slug it out. With any luck Israel will turn Tehran into a slag heap and save us the trouble
Well, I'm honestly not sure what to say then. I feel like I'm still missing some information.
Glad I don't have to live there or deal with it.
ronaldrwl
04-21-2010, 13:04
Isn't Israel currently kicking people out of their homes and giving them to Jews?
If Israel wants to act like a bunch of a-holes, let them do it by themselves.
I hope they kick all the arabs out of their lands for all the attacks they have put up with and bomb the crap out of iran for all the trouble they've caused.
ronaldrwl
04-21-2010, 13:09
Isn't Israel currently kicking people out of their homes and giving them to Jews?
If Israel wants to act like a bunch of a-holes, let them do it by themselves.
I'm sorry, I can't let go of this one. Since 1947 the arabs have been threating to wipe Israel off the map and have tried several times. I know the media pumps mis-information all the time but I can't even believe how Israel, a democracy, that shares our core beliefs, can get a bad rap for protecting their boarders. grrrr..........
I feel like I'm still missing some information. A LOT that our wonderful news outlets refuse to report on...
Glad I don't have to live there or deal with it.
My wife has a missionary friend over there living and ministering in the Gaza Strip. Some of pictures, stories, etc that she relates to us are just horrendoues and amazing. Her and her husband have been shot over 6 times, but they keep on trucking. They MUST (per orders of the Israel guard assigned to them) wear their vests at all times PERIOD. Even when sleeping. Etc, bad stuff. They are not allowed in certain areas under threat of death even though the Arab/Muslim can walk around anywhere they please. Etc.
Stuff like an Arab/Muslim kid and a Israel/Jewish kid happen to run into each other on the border to play some ball (soccer) and when the parents see them interacting, out comes the guns and threats and neighbors with their guns, etc. If the military/PD doesn't get there quick enough, there is a bloodbath all because the "inifidel jewish pig touched my holy son" or "the muslim dog touched my boy" blah blah...
ronaldrwl
04-21-2010, 13:38
OK, I feel better now. It just that we should admire Israel as our closest ally. And respect them for what they have accomplished.
cowboykjohnson
04-21-2010, 13:48
Let the bodies hit the floor
http://www.seraphicpress.com/images/Israeli_Air_Force_F-16I_fighter_jet.jpg
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They have it coming... and Israel is going to bring it.
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Wait, why exactly should I be admiring Israel?
I'm not trying to hate on Israel, I just don't understand here.
Of course consider the source... the errornet .. and the angle of the shot makes it appear to be without the sensor pod on the facing fuselage side. But that is more than likely an Israeli F-16I.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/f-16i-pics.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/f-16i.htm
Conformal fuel tanks. Hadn't thought of that. I guess when you can't operate a fleet of KC-135's like the US does, being able to load up on gas is a plus.
ronaldrwl
04-21-2010, 14:07
Wait, why exactly should I be admiring Israel?
I'm not trying to hate on Israel, I just don't understand here.
Born in 1947 as a tiny spec of a country. Surrounded by arab enemies sworn to destroy them, they have maintained a health a vibrant democratic society, in spite of the pressures of being attacked on all boarders, constant rocket attacks, and idiots like Carter constantly pressuring them to give more and more ground to insane terrorist. I wonder what the opinion would be if Canada was launching rockets year after year into the USA and the UN was pressuring us to give them Michigan to make peace. And we give them MI and they keep attacking so the UN pressures us to give them Ohio to make peace. But the rocket attacks beep coming.
Grrr, I'm a terrible teacher, no patients
Grrr, I'm a terrible teacher, no patients
Wait are you a teacher or a doctor? ;)
Sounds like Israel has had it rough. Why haven't they just killed everyone yet then? Sounds pretty reasonable that they aren't trying to take land and expand their territory.
Sounds like Israel has had it rough. Why haven't they just killed everyone yet then? Sounds pretty reasonable that they aren't trying to take land and expand their territory.
Israel has had it very rough.. For the thousands of years they have been in existence, they've only recently been able to call their land their own and be recognized as a soverign nation.
As far as why they haven't killed everyone yet.... There are several reasons and theories. Most common is that they truly are trying to keep the peace and do not want to be the "bad guys". They do have the technology and firepower to wipe the ME clean. Other theories are that they are biding their time (aka Biblical prophecies), or that they are scared of reprisal by other countries sympathetic to the muslim world if they do take pre-emptive measures, they are scared that their allies won't support them, etc and etc. The lists go on.
It is very reasonable that they are trying to protect their borders. I have always admired Israel. They require EVERYONE of their citizens to serve at least two years in the military... Their military is not like America's ( that is not a knock on the US military as I hold the US military to amazingly high standards, they are the best of the best in terms of technology and firepower). Their militarty is hardcore.
SA Friday
04-21-2010, 14:50
Arabs, Arabs, Arabs... Iranians are PERSIANS, not arabs. Arabs and Persians tolerate each other, but are hardly buddy-buddy. It's a lot like the Mexico/USA relationship.
I personally say let the whole lot have at it; Israeli's, Arabs, and Persians. Problem is, that would disrupt oil production and availability. Israel hits Iran, the whole area will go up in arms in one form or another disrupting the oil trade, but I doubt some Arab countries will get involved. Qatar, UAE, and maybe even KSA will more than likely stand back and watch. It's financially and politically advantageous for them to remain neutral for various reasons. KSA, intestringly enough would probably stay out of it for political power over the region. KSA and Iran are undoubtably the two SWA super-powers. Individual citizens from these countries may become involved as mujahadeen, but I highly doubt all the Arab countries will declare war on Israel if they struck Iran.
Considering our presence on both sides of Iran, our troops would have to batten down the hatches or pull out all together. If this happens, I suspect Israel will wait till the obamanator pulls the majority of our troops out of Iraq, now that his-douchebaggieness has told the world we are leaving on a specific timeline...
BTW, the Kurds in northern Iraq will probably have a party if Israel did this. They are the true gypsies of the middle east, no country and dispised by all pretty much. The Palestinians are just winers who lost out on the WW I british backroom deal when borders were drawn out...
ronaldrwl
04-21-2010, 14:50
Wait are you a teacher or a doctor? ;)
Sounds like Israel has had it rough. Why haven't they just killed everyone yet then? Sounds pretty reasonable that they aren't trying to take land and expand their territory.
Well I guess by deduction (bad spelling) I'm not a teacher :)
Arabs, Arabs, Arabs... Iranians are PERSIANS, not arabs. Arabs and Persians tolerate each other, but are hardly buddy-buddy. It's a lot like the Mexico/USA relationship. My bad SA, wasn't trying to referring to a particular nation, more to a particular ethicnity/religion.
I personally say let the whole lot have at it; Israeli's, Arabs, and Persians. Problem is, that would disrupt oil production and availability. Israel hits Iran, the whole area will go up in arms in one form or another disrupting the oil trade, but I doubt some Arab countries will get involved. Qatar, UAE, and maybe even KSA will more than likely stand back and watch. It's financially and politically advantageous for them to remain neutral for various reasons. KSA, intestringly enough would probably stay out of it for political power over the region. KSA and Iran are undoubtably the two SWA super-powers. Individual citizens from these countries may become involved as mujahadeen, but I highly doubt all the Arab countries will declare war on Israel if they struck Iran. Very insightful and well though out... I tend to concur, though I personally think several nations would jump in to claim their glory.
BTW, really enjoying the trigger jobs on teh Glocks man. Really appreciate that.
SA Friday
04-21-2010, 15:01
They require EVERYONE of their citizens to serve at least two years in the military... Their military is not like America's ( that is not a knock on the US military as I hold the US military to amazingly high standards, they are the best of the best in terms of technology and firepower). Their militarty is hardcore.
As with all countries that require mandatory military time, you have two tiers; career and non-professional. Also consistant with every other country that has this system; the career military are usually pretty good, and the non-professionals are horrible. Israeli's elite units are just as good as ours. The rest of the professional military have better training than the surrounding countries, but I'm not sure I would rate them in the top 5.
SA Friday
04-21-2010, 15:03
BTW, really enjoying the trigger jobs on teh Glocks man. Really appreciate that.
Any time.[Beer]
As with all countries that require mandatory military time, you have two tiers; career and non-professional. Also consistant with every other country that has this system; the career military are usually pretty good, and the non-professionals are horrible. Israeli's elite units are just as good as ours. The rest of the professional military have better training than the surrounding countries, but I'm not sure I would rate them in the top 5.
Another good point. I'd still rate 'em in the top 10 then. lol.
Of course consider the source... the errornet .. and the angle of the shot makes it appear to be without the sensor pod on the facing fuselage side. But that is more than likely an Israeli F-16I.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/f-16i-pics.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/f-16i.htm
calm down you nerds, I googled Israeli Fighter Jet and made a post 5 min. before leaving for work
jeanlee411
04-21-2010, 20:20
Let the bodies hit the floor
http://www.seraphicpress.com/images/Israeli_Air_Force_F-16I_fighter_jet.jpg
I'm on Israels side... period. If they decide to pave over the ME and build a Walmart... more power to 'em.
Obozo on the other hand... Lord help us if he doesn't take a stand.
mikedubs
04-21-2010, 20:48
Something about the previous poster tells me it's a bot...I wonder if it could be the links to the .biz website in the sig?
Bots don't quote for the most part.. I'll keep my eye on he/she/it for a few days...
So what has Israel done for the United States?
What the United States has done for Israel,,given mucho dinerio.
Sold F-16s plus more military equipment. That Israel has modified and refuses to share the technology.
brokenscout
04-21-2010, 21:17
I lived there in 2001,and I think they can hold there own over there.Even without our help
I lived there in 2001,and I think they can hold there own over there.Even without our help
Good then they don't need our money.
They should apologize for their blatant attack on a surveillance ship of the United States.
http://www.gtr5.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgep1dqtVEA&feature=related
No I'm not anti Semitic,,just PRO AMERICAN
HBARleatherneck
04-22-2010, 07:32
they paid a shit load of money in restitution to the peoples family lost and the survivors. America was not Israels good ally then. More like France was Israels ally. so any ship that close to thier waters, during a "war" was in a bad place at bad time. all you 88s can give it up. it was an accident. i know you were probably a pogue and never saw "fog of war" but shit happens. i lost friends when an A10 killed them. thats right an American A10 shooting and killing US MArines.
i liken people who allways dog Israel, to antigunners.
no matter how much evidence of lowered crime, no matter how much proof you give a liberal, they still hate guns.
no matter how much proof you give anti Israel people, it doesnt matter, they get thier proof from youtube, aljazeera, liberal media. get a damn clue.
hopefully we never see the day when Israel is destroyed, but if we do,idiots like some of you will see what Israel does for us. Do you really think that once Israel is gone, there will be world peace? and that the muslims will just love America? fuck no, they will come to destroy us next, because that is thier goal. read about islam, and how bad they are sometimes, instead of just watching aljazeera and storm front
edit: sorry if i offended anyone. i just get worked up, when people cant see that Israel runs interference for us. Once they are gone (if it happens) we will wish they were still around, taking the muslim hoards attention away from us.
as far as the tit for tat mentality "what does Israel do for us" and "they blew up our ship". if you are looking for a reseason, you will allways find one. how about when a ship load of over 900 Jews that made it to America after escaping nazi germany, were not allowed to disembark and were sent back to die in concentration camps? or how we have open borders and let everyone else in? illegal invaders from the south? check. muslims from countries that hate us? check. Jews, escaping death in concentrations camps. o hell no, send them back. see everyone can find fault with someone.
And yes, I am America first as well. I served 8 years in the Corps. Many deployments, Combat Action ribbon, many medals and ribbons, I bleed red, white, and blue. But, Israel is our friend. We need Israel as our forward observation point.
Something about the previous poster tells me it's a bot...I wonder if it could be the links to the .biz website in the sig?
ah man, you saying only bots are stupid enough to quote me?
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So what has Israel done for the United States?
What the United States has done for Israel,,given mucho dinerio.
Sold F-16s plus more military equipment. That Israel has modified and refuses to share the technology.
Israel gave us the technology for our missle defense program. Some of the new technology to help us corral our borders is Israel design. All the aid sent to them is reinserted into the American economy through debt repayment. Some of the current issue military gear is of Israeli design as well. The Habu was created with Kelly Johnson and an Israeli scientist who didn't want want to be named. The list goes on and on. They just aren't given their due credit because people don't want to hear it.
What has any of the other countries given us that we support? Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, et al... Nothing, instead our monies to these countries go to corrupt "warlords/politicians" and help support the same people who want to eradicate Israel.
The money we give to Israel is dwarfed by the monies we give to the other nations.
ChunkyMonkey
04-22-2010, 09:59
The money we give to Israel is dwarfed by the monies we give to the other nations.
+1 and not necessarily smaller - just simply WHY?! e.g.
An important pillar of the bilateral relationship remains U.S. security and economic assistance to Egypt, which expanded significantly in the wake of the Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty in 1979. U.S. military aid to Egypt totals over $1.3 billion annually. In addition, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID (http://www.usaid.gov/locations/middle_east/countries/egypt//egypt.html)) has provided over $28 billion in economic and development assistance to Egypt since 1975
We had one mission,get Osama bin Laden,and those responsible for 9/11/2001.
THAT was and SHOULD be our only goal in the Mideast.
Actually, no.. that wasn't the mission after 9/11. How quickly we forget that our then president Gee Dub declared a 'war on terrorism' and we would seek out terrorists and those who would empathize and support said terrorists on THEIR soil before they could bring the battle to our country again. This means anyone who would threaten democracy & freedom anywhere in the world as a threat to democracy elsewhere was a threat to our way of living. Sounds like we kind of signed up for this sort of thing, like it or not.
The US is in bed with Israel more than some will think but there's a large merging of knowledge when it comes to military... the US's chief export. Not to mention we share a common enemy and allowing Israel to be destroyed would only serve to hurt the US in the immediate future.
I don't see the US turning their back on this one.
ah man, you saying only bots are stupid enough to quote me?
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So Hans Solo attacked Iran? Man I gotta catch up on news....
+1 and not necessarily smaller - just simply WHY?! e.g.
Not sure I understand your question... Are you asking why we give more to other countries or something else?
I don't have a solid answer. I believe that we just help out to solidify relations. Military technology and intelligence are exchanged, as well as promises of staying allied, etc. Maybe we give them something to help out with SOL since they are constantly being bombed, etc.
I think the bigger question should be, why are we giving monies to states/nation who publically acknowledge they want us killed? I know the humanitarian issues, being the bigger person, creating a better life and blah, blah, blah.... I would have no problem leaving them in the third world economically/socially. I would tell 'em, your own peoples must enact the change. Then will the US help you. Of course, when the govt has all the power, then it hard for the people to do anything without being mass slaughtered... a Catch 22.
hopefully we never see the day when Israel is destroyed, but if we do,idiots like some of you will see what Israel does for us. Do you really think that once Israel is gone, there will be world peace? and that the muslims will just love America? fuck no, they will come to destroy us next, because that is thier goal. read about islam, and how bad they are sometimes, instead of just watching aljazeera and storm front
I don't necessarily think this was directed specifically at me, but I find it insulting. I've been asking questions about why we support Israel, but I don't think I've said anything that can even be misconstrued as saying that I want Israel to go down, or anything else bad to happen to Israel or any other country. I'm just asking what we have to do with it all and why. It's not a huge deal, but I certainly don't appreciate being called an idiot just for asking questions. I understand you are worked up, but you're getting ahead of yourself by throwing out things like Storm Front or Aljazeera just because you're upset that people don't have the all the same info/feelings that you do.
That's it, I'll stop being a whiny pussy now, carry on. ;)
I'm just asking what we have to do with it all and why. It's not a huge deal, but I certainly don't appreciate being called an idiot just for asking questions.
I'm sorry.... I've tried to respond in a factual, neutral, and nonthreatening way. I didn't mean to give anyone the impression that I was talking down to them or calling them an idiot. Is there anything I didn't explain correctly or answer?! I'll try again! HAHA.
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HBARleatherneck
04-22-2010, 15:55
it was not directed at Stuart. it was directed at whoever would dare disagree.
yes, i am not nice.
i am sorry, but the new catchprase on the internet is " im not antisemtic. i just dont trust/agree/believe Israel" "but i am not anti semetic"
right.
Well, your handle IS "leatherneck" and not "hugsandcaresses"
it was not directed at Stuart. it was directed at whoever would dare disagree.
yes, i am not nice.
i am sorry, but the new catchprase on the internet is " im not antisemtic. i just dont trust/agree/believe Israel" "but i am not anti semetic"
right.
Israel is a NATION, not a religion.
3 VERY good friends are Jewish,,THEY think Israel instigates a lot of their own problems.
So take you little "catch phrase " statement and shove it. ;)
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SA Friday
04-23-2010, 00:19
Israel receives more foreign aid from the USA than any other country. They have for well over 10 years. It could very well have been longer, but I didn't look further back. Egypt receives the second biggest chunk. Combined, the two receive 1/3 of all foreign aid from the USA.
Israel doesn't like to show the US govt the technology they have because then they would have to explain to the US govt why it looks exactly like the stuff we developed and refused to sell to them. They are one of the most prevalent countries in the world at stealing technologies from foreign countries through espionage (govt entity stealing it) and industrial espionage (commercial entity stealing it for profit). France and China round out the top three.
Israel had nothing to do with the technology of the current missle defense systems. Their Arrow anti-missle system works, barely. If Iran turns on the Scud rain, it will be Patriot batteries, not Arrows keeping them from pounding that country to dust.
In order for Iran to attack Israel, they would have to get permission from Iraq, Kuwait, and KSA to fly fighters or move troops toward Israel. That ISN'T going to happen. Conversely, Israel sending fighters over these countries isn't going to be met with approval either. Iraq has only one attack option, Scud missles. Good news is Scuds suck. Bad news is Iranian Scuds are the best in the world, better than anything Saddam had. Israel would be hard pressed if KSA took offense to their fly-over. They have F-16's too and we also train their pilots.
I don't hate Israel. I'm also not dilusional enough to think they are anything but self serving either. The US should convert to ethanol fuels, utilize our on oil stocks, cordon off SWA (it's not ME, ME is Maine...) Drop off an ass load of munitions to every SWA country, and let them figure it out on their own. Thin the herd, more air for me...
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