View Full Version : "Top Shot " on the History Channel
RYAN50BMG
06-06-2010, 21:17
Glad I did'nt apply for this show. Some did'nt even get to shoot in the competion. ( I go to the range to SHOOT!!). The guy that went home could'nt hit an 8 inch target @ 100yrds with an '03 Springfield.(Alan York was rolling in his grave, I'm sure).
I hate how shows like this have taken over the History Channel. There isn't much "History" left, all the good shows they used to have are on History International, and even those are all reruns.
RYAN50BMG
06-06-2010, 21:49
I like the fact that because you are a "former-ex-veteran" whatever the fuck, you MUST have more triggertime and be better than the average Joe shooter. I bet I could get eight guys from this board (including eesabey's kid, who I KNOW can hit a 100yrd target) and whip some ass. My crossbow-fu is a little week, someone will have to pick up the slack there.
gnihcraes
06-06-2010, 22:06
It's interesting who won and who lost...
DocMedic
06-06-2010, 22:09
I like the fact that because you are a "former-ex-veteran" whatever the fuck, you MUST have more triggertime and be better than the average Joe shooter. I bet I could get eight guys from this board (including eesabey's kid, who I KNOW can hit a 100yrd target) and whip some ass. My crossbow-fu is a little week, someone will have to pick up the slack there.
How about before you go apply for the "Next Top Shot", You come and bring the other 8 people to the local shooting matches we have [Tooth]
SA Friday
06-06-2010, 22:27
How about before you go apply for the "Next Top Shot", You come and bring the other 8 people to the local shooting matches we have [Tooth]
I'm you're Huckleberry...[Coffee]
I'm you're Huckleberry...[Coffee]
I'll come too.
SA Friday
06-06-2010, 22:48
Glad I did'nt apply for this show. Some did'nt even get to shoot in the competion. ( I go to the range to SHOOT!!). The guy that went home could'nt hit an 8 inch target @ 100yrds with an '03 Springfield.(Alan York was rolling in his grave, I'm sure).
"That guy" was Mike Seeklander, a USSA firearms instructor, GM USPSA pistol and 3-gun shooter, and one of the best shooters in the world... I'm pretty sure there was something other than the shooter couldn't hit it going on there. Trust me on this one... Homie can shoot.
So... That's where Doc's coming from.
SA Friday
06-06-2010, 22:55
Here's his blog on the experience.
http://www.shooting-performance.com/top_shot_show_98.html
BTW, I'm personally estatic that someone is taking shooting to mainstream TV in this way. It can do nothing but good in my opinion.
DD977GM2
06-06-2010, 23:02
Yeah right.................he blew donkey balls with iron sites at 100 yards. No excuse to take almost 30 shots and STILL MISS.
"That guy" was Mike Seeklander, a USSA firearms instructor, GM USPSA pistol and 3-gun shooter, and one of the best shooters in the world... I'm pretty sure there was something other than the shooter couldn't hit it going on there. Trust me on this one... Homie can shoot.
So... That's where Doc's coming from.
I've hit a 6" target with iron sights at 100 yards with a .22lr in less than 30 shots and a .22lr is the only "rifle" I've ever shot.
DocMedic
06-06-2010, 23:31
Here's his blog on the experience.
http://www.shooting-performance.com/top_shot_show_98.html
"How will I live with the fact I lost? Mostly by drinking lots of beer or hard liquor. "
Awesome find! After-all it is a tv show, and what fun would a Tv show be without a little "drama". I believe the sights were tampered with before the shooting :)
Also if Blake Miguez, doesn't just destroy the pistol portion of the show, I'm bringing up the BS flag.
DD977GM2
06-07-2010, 08:42
The only thing posative I can say for the "Professional" Shooter that got beat, is that he wasnt whining that he got beat and accepted it like a man.
I still have a hard time with him losing since that is his profession. [Bang]
Well I must say this show is full of shit being called TOP SHOT because I am not on it.
anybody a lawyer around here[Weight]
[Coffee]
hollohas
06-07-2010, 09:26
The kid that beat him shot like a true pro after many were questioning his experience.
"That guy" was Mike Seeklander, a USSA firearms instructor, GM USPSA pistol and 3-gun shooter, and one of the best shooters in the world... I'm pretty sure there was something other than the shooter couldn't hit it going on there. Trust me on this one... Homie can shoot.
So... That's where Doc's coming from.
finally caught a rerun of this tonight.
Mike might be able to shoot pistols, but rifles... apparently not so much.
on his blog he calls the 1903 a "non standard" rifle.
to this boy scout a bolt action with iron sights is about as standard as it gets.
then when he said that he wanted to shoot against the best rifle shooter, I said to myself he's going home. (then I knew he was going home, because before the final shoot they showed a preview for next week with the kid in it. fucking idiots)
If he had challenged the guy who was spotting for him, or someone who was also a pistol shooter and not a long range expert like that younger guy, he might have had a chance. his big head did him in.
I did like how the guy that spotted for him hit the bull dead center when he "voted"
but hey, this guy could probably outshoot me any day of the week, my comments are made with all due respect to his ability and profession. (and I don't want to whip up any crying, as my posts are wont to do)
I'll watch the show again, I want to see how the woman does. (actually I'm surprised there's not more)
SA Friday
06-08-2010, 08:16
I'm pretty sure the woman is a USPSA shooter from N. Texas that goes by Carinab on the Brian Enos forum.
Hell, they pretty much all are high ranked USPSA shooters except for the kid. Blake and JJ can just fricken rip with a pistol, and both have won their share of national events.
BTW, I haven't even seen the show. I'm going off of what happened from this thread and the HUGE thread on this show on the BE forum. The BE forum thread started when the show started looking for shooters. I don't even have cable.
DocMedic
06-08-2010, 08:47
BTW, I haven't even seen the show. I'm going off of what happened from this thread and the HUGE thread on this show on the BE forum. The BE forum thread started when the show started looking for shooters. I don't even have cable.
Here you go, Free via Hulu (http://www.hulu.com/watch/154276/top-shot-the-long-shot):)
I'm pretty sure the woman is a USPSA shooter from N. Texas that goes by Carinab on the Brian Enos forum.man, how I wish! The person on the show is Tara Poremba, from Chicago, IL.
Hell, they pretty much all are high ranked USPSA shooters except for the kid. Blake and JJ can just fricken rip with a pistol, and both have won their share of national events.Yes, next week will be very interesting. Just like Kelly owned the rifle competition last week, the USPSA/IPSC shooters will own the pistol competition next week. But that doesn't guarantee that they will survive until the end... relationships and perceptions, which can change on a dime, are at least equal to skill level on reality shows.
Marc
SA Friday
06-10-2010, 16:41
man, how I wish! The person on the show is Tara Poremba, from Chicago, IL.
Ya, I caught that after watching it from Doc's Hulu link. Thanks Doc. I wish it was Carinab too, or Julie G, or Randi Rogers, or Jessie Abbate... Man, I just can't believe Jessie could have ever contacted them for this show and not got chosen. Seriously, she would have jumped the ratings 3 fold easily. Considering her cowboy, USPSA, Steel Challange, and 3-gun backgrounds (not to mention she's absolutely smokin hot) she would have done very well.
http://www.jessieabbate.com/
rockhound
06-11-2010, 21:34
man this episode is on all kinds of blogs,
i think the two best shots were the voting bullseyes with the hand gun.
i really want you to go home and i am going to show you with a very accurate vote,, ha
They show full episodes now.
http://www.history.com/shows/top-shot/videos/playlists/full-episodes
I'm pretty sure that my eight year old can shoot 100 yards and hit a 12" target with an O3. This guy is a choad. If the sights were off.. So what.. I thought that a trained shooter would be able to zero in a few shots WITHOUT a spotter.. This idiot couldnt do it in 30+ with a spotter.. His rounds must have been in the trees..
http://www.youtube.com/user/Winthefight#p/u
I thought that his spotter hit the target at 50 yards with no problem? So the rifle could not of been off that much I would think.
I also believe if they do not like you they can just wait and put you up against someone thats good in a certain sport.
SA Friday
06-13-2010, 11:51
I'm pretty sure that my eight year old can shoot 100 yards and hit a 12" target with an O3. This guy is a choad. If the sights were off.. So what.. I thought that a trained shooter would be able to zero in a few shots WITHOUT a spotter.. This idiot couldnt do it in 30+ with a spotter.. His rounds must have been in the trees..
You're the choad...
He can make that shot with his fricken pistol in that many rounds. There no doubt in my mind there was something jacked with that rifle. If the sights were loose, it wouldn't have mattered what he did until he tightened them and started all over again.
I'm fairly confident your eight year old won't want to shoot an O3 anymore after the first round's recoil. Stop talking out your butt.
You're the choad...
He can make that shot with his fricken pistol in that many rounds. There no doubt in my mind there was something jacked with that rifle. If the sights were loose, it wouldn't have mattered what he did until he tightened them and started all over again.
I'm fairly confident your eight year old won't want to shoot an O3 anymore after the first round's recoil. Stop talking out your butt.
Uhm.. whats with the personal attack? Was that you in the episode? I watched it and the guy sucks.. I got my idea of this by watching the show. Maybe the sun was in his eyes, or his gloves were to big, or the earth's rotation threw off all 30+ rounds..... Whatever. No professional in my book.
bobbyfairbanks
06-13-2010, 13:02
There is so much drama already invovled in our sport. We really dont need anymore. Been to a gun show lately. I really think if they took the drama out of the show it would still be good for the sport. I think they tried to do it by having people vote in front of everyone.
I know I wont be watching the show. I would rather see some history but I know that wont happen.
SA Friday
06-13-2010, 14:08
Uhm.. whats with the personal attack? Was that you in the episode? I watched it and the guy sucks.. I got my idea of this by watching the show. Maybe the sun was in his eyes, or his gloves were to big, or the earth's rotation threw off all 30+ rounds..... Whatever. No professional in my book.
You ever meet him before, Mike Seeklander? You ever seen him shoot other than in the highly edited hour of the TV show? You ever shot against him in competition?
Come on... Use just a little critical thinking here... This guy was a Marine, has shot competitively for years; pistol, shotgun, and rifle, teaches shooting for competiton and tactical purposes at one of the largest and highest rated shooting academies in the world... He routinely wins major competitions, winning the USPSA Area 4 Production Division (one of biggest competitions in the USA every year) less than a month after this show was done filming.
His skill level is only in question by keyboard commandos who have nothing to do with shooting at the higher levels, and don't have a clue about shooting at that high a level. His ability to compete at stress levels equal to professional sports is tried and tested, and he wins. I've seen Mike shoot before first hand, in the real world without editing, and so have a few others on this site. None of them question his skill level or ability to compete.
So, you call him a choad and have come to the conclusion that your eight year old can shoot better than him? Based on an edited one hour TV show. Then you wonder why I spiked you like a volleyball in the thread...
Tell you what. There's a pistol match this coming Saturday at BLGC outside of Ramah, CO. There will be a couple of GM USPSA pistol shooters out there. How about you bring some gear and ammo out there and see where you stand in your view point of shooting skill levels. It will be fair, afterall the "choad" has beaten the GMs that will be there once or twice so they can't be all that good...
I watched the show. I've made my conclusions. I've no nead to show you or anyone else my skills. This thread is not about me or you. It's about a fellow that couldnt shoot a target at 100 yards with a 30.06 bolt gun. Get over yourself.
I watched the show. I've made my conclusions. I've no nead to show you or anyone else my skills. This thread is not about me or you. It's about a fellow that couldnt shoot a target at 100 yards with a 30.06 bolt gun. Get over yourself.
I really can't tell you what happened on that day because, just like you, all I saw was an edited version of a "made for tv" show. Nonetheless, I can attest that Mike Seeklander is not just an amazing shooter but also a great person.
In all honestly I find it very disrespectful that you would choose the use of the word "choad" to describe this gentleman whom, not only has honorably served his country, but also has brought positive light to the sporting shooting community.
I enjoyed the show and will watch it again, but do realize it’s a TV show and whoever wins will not necessarily be the best shot. To win you will have to play the game well, shot good and have some luck.
You ever meet him before, Mike Seeklander? You ever seen him shoot other than in the highly edited hour of the TV show? You ever shot against him in competition?
Come on... Use just a little critical thinking here... This guy was a Marine, has shot competitively for years; pistol, shotgun, and rifle, teaches shooting for competiton and tactical purposes at one of the largest and highest rated shooting academies in the world... He routinely wins major competitions, winning the USPSA Area 4 Production Division (one of biggest competitions in the USA every year) less than a month after this show was done filming.
His skill level is only in question by keyboard commandos who have nothing to do with shooting at the higher levels, and don't have a clue about shooting at that high a level. His ability to compete at stress levels equal to professional sports is tried and tested, and he wins. I've seen Mike shoot before first hand, in the real world without editing, and so have a few others on this site. None of them question his skill level or ability to compete.
So, you call him a choad and have come to the conclusion that your eight year old can shoot better than him? Based on an edited one hour TV show. Then you wonder why I spiked you like a volleyball in the thread...
Tell you what. There's a pistol match this coming Saturday at BLGC outside of Ramah, CO. There will be a couple of GM USPSA pistol shooters out there. How about you bring some gear and ammo out there and see where you stand in your view point of shooting skill levels. It will be fair, afterall the "choad" has beaten the GMs that will be there once or twice so they can't be all that good...
You would think that someone with that kinda resume could hit a 12" at 100yds without any sites! LOL.
It would be interesting to talk to the guy and find out what he thinks happened. Anyone can have a bad day.
It would be interesting to talk to the guy and find out what he thinks happened.
Ask and you shall receive!!
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Here are my thoughts, responses to questions you have raised:
Was the gun rigged? I seriously doubt it. I really don't think anyone would do that? As far as the loose sights comment, I know I did not use the technical term, but mid shooting I found that the sliding device that is part of the ladder sight was loose and moving. I screwed it tight and began shooting again (and missing damn it!) I don't think it was zeroed (and in truth, I didn't know a danm thing about the ladder sights, etc.) and I also was not familiar with zeroing a rifle like that before now. (see a new project I am starting called "Project Crosstrain" on my site soon.
Was my spotter to blame? He is no more than me. I wished we both would have had days, weeks, months to work as a team with that gun....but we got about 10 minutes the day before (by the way, that was the first time Andre spotted for me).
Why did I not or he not see the vapor trail? There was none that day. Also the target was shrouded by bushes and impacts were impossible for me to see. I am not sure what Andre saw through the scope.
Was I jerking the trigger, or stressed, or caving under pressure? No, I don't think so. After the first 5 or so shots, I was slowly aiming, and squeezing, etc. I even had time to switch to a standing position and rest on the top bags, thinking I was disturbing or touching the barrel on something when I was in a kneeling position. I have shot years ago in some high power, and have shot at 500 and 600 yards. While I might have been making a shooting error, mostly I was unable to figure out where to aim. Not sure where 37 shots came from, but the point is, on the last shot fired, I STILL did not have a clue where I should be aiming (I was aiming VERY low left during that last shot).
Is my youtube video my way of saying I am not to blame? Shame on you for thinking this! As posted, I simply did a sanity test to see it I could hit the broad side of a barn with that gun (Yes, I know it was a different variant with a peep sight). I did the video for me, not for anyone else!
Who should we blame for my mistake? No one, blame me. Maybe I suck. Get over it, I have.
How much time did I have to zero the gun? I shot the gun about 10-15 minutes, a portion of which was spent trying to get the gun on target at 50. I never used the ladder sight.....and did not even know it existed or how it worked. We did not get this instruction. I fired about 10 rounds and wrote where I thought I would/should aim to hit a target using the notch sight at 100. I believe I got one (although I am doubting this now) hit on the 100 yard target in practice before we rotated. The reason we rotated was because we thought we should get on each of the four guns provided in practice, and in hindsight we should have spent the entire time (30-40 minutes) on one gun (oops!).
Why did I vote for Kelly? Mistake! As said before, I wish I would have shot against my spotter. Hindsight again, but I doubt any of you make perfect decisions all the time. If you do, you are much cooler than me. Obviously, I really did want to shoot against the best shooter, but tactically that might have been dumb. Once again, I made a decision that I would change (and might have changed then) now.
Why did I not shoot at the 50 yard target to see where I was hitting?
Why did Andre say I was talking about how good I was? No idea, and I am not sure where he got that from. Initially, I queried the team what skills they had and had them all rate themselves on a scale from one to ten for use in making decisions on the fly if we needed to pick a strong team member. I wrote this in a chart like drawing in my notebook and wrote their answers down. I think Andre thought I was trying to game something, when in reality I told them all they could have a copy. Upon more negative comments, I ripped the piece of paper up in front of the group (and on camera), to let them know I really did not care to use it, and that I was just trying to prepare for future events as a TEAM so we could make the best decisions possible. Not sure. I did not think of that at the time. It was all over pretty quick. That is a great idea, but honestly I never in my wildest dreams would have guessed that I would have had that much of a problem.
Did I shoot the 100 yard target because I thought I was better? No, actually in our conversation prior to starting, Andre volunteered to shoot at 50, so I said "Ok". Obviously I was team leader and did not think there was any reason to NOT shoot the 100, even though I was not sure of the gun zero.
Why did I use the term "clicks" when calling for Andre? Because it was simple, easy to here verbiage. We decided that each "click" would represent about an inch. We never had an intention of adjusting the sights (I did not know how anyway!). Boy, the some of the forum folks are going crazy on this one....CALM DOWN GUYS/GALS, I JUST USED THE TERM BECAUSE IT WAS SIMPLE and EASY TO HEAR. KINDA LIKE SOME OF YOU SAY "CLIP" WHEN YOU MEAN MAGAZINE.....
I will be very happy to answer any more questions that I might have forgotten. Email me or post here.
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Taken from: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=107874&pid=1227880&st=0&#entry1227880
RYAN50BMG
06-13-2010, 21:10
So my only comment for this episode is that the zip line thing was cool as hell, and I would have been pissed that I did'nt get to play on it.
Saw my first episode tonight, the show looked pretty cool. I liked the gangland marathon that was on before better.
zipline was way cool!!!!
I want to play..but no one shot at the bonus targets???
red team ousted Blake..too bad..
I didn't see the episode with the zip line, but I know that there is at least one 3 gun shoot with a zipline in it. I think Hoser is familiar with which one it is.
DD977GM2
06-13-2010, 22:44
Its ok to admit to everyone here that the "Professional" shooter sucked donkey balls and can not shoot a rifle to save his life. He really does suck. My kids can shoot better then that tool can.
Are you guys best friends....is that why you defend him so adamantly????
You're the choad...
He can make that shot with his fricken pistol in that many rounds. There no doubt in my mind there was something jacked with that rifle. If the sights were loose, it wouldn't have mattered what he did until he tightened them and started all over again.
I'm fairly confident your eight year old won't want to shoot an O3 anymore after the first round's recoil. Stop talking out your butt.
After watching the spotter hit the target then the "pro" lob 30 or so rounds at it with out a hit I think it was all him and not the gun. I don't think the show is going to use a gun thats hasn't been inspected for a competition.
Not to mention he could CLEARLY see were the rounds were hitting and should have been able to make corrections with out a spotter.
I personally have done this with my brothers mosin. I hadn't shot it all day and it had been probably a couple of years since I had picked it up last. I had 3 rounds with steel set up at 100 yrds. My first shot was a miss low right. I made the mental correction based on what I saw and my last 2 rounds were hits.
If I can do it he can do it. He just choked
Mike, JJ and Blake are great pistol shooters. No doubt about it. I got my ass kicked at SS Nationals by Mike with some 70+ points.
It is a TV show, and I think it was not a best one to sort out good and not so good shooters. First thing being, why they did not pick (for example) Todd Jarret who tried to get in ?
However, I was not impressed with Mike´s rifle handling. If you shoot 37 shots, you should be able to hit 12" @100 without sights if you have been shooting lots with rifles before.
I also was not familiar with zeroing a rifle like that before now
That states, he did not had lots of experience with different kinds of rifles. Maybe he is not as experienced with rifle than he is with pistol ?
Usually when you can spot hits from video, it is easier in real life. Just do not know, why spotter did not noticed dust clouds.
Even if there is no "vapor trail", you can always see supersonic bullets shock wave. What might had been a problem there, you have to know how to use your spotting scope. The guy with it, clearly did not know.
One thing amazed me : does it make you look cool when there is a text "Ex. Marine, Firearms instructor" etc under your photo in the TV ?
It was a long time ago, but would it make me look supercool, if I would sign all my messages : "Ex. Infantry Recon sniper and ex. Special Rapid Response Unit operator" :D
Shortly : it is a TV show, where many top shooters were left out even they tried to get in.
I watched it today with some GM, we had pretty fun laughing and drinking beer :)
Is that a good way to Find out who is good shooter and who is not ? Absolutely not. It is a TV show, lets handle it like one :)
The zipline was pretty damn cool!
the 3 gun match that does the zipline is MGM ironman, I believe.
yeah I would love to go on that zipline! looks like a ton of fun
DocMedic
06-14-2010, 13:13
Wow, this thread is comical at best.[ROFL2]
Not to mention he could CLEARLY see were the rounds were hitting and should have been able to make corrections with out a spotter.
Why did I not or he not see the vapor trail? There was none that day. Also the target was shrouded by bushes and impacts were impossible for me to see. I am not sure what Andre saw through the scope.
SA Friday
06-14-2010, 13:40
Its ok to admit to everyone here that the "Professional" shooter sucked donkey balls and can not shoot a rifle to save his life. He really does suck. My kids can shoot better then that tool can.
Are you guys best friends....is that why you defend him so adamantly????
Because I find it ironic that Doc and Cy and everyone else who actually shoots competitively and has an understanding of the various skill levels of shooters out there are the ones defending him, and the keyboard commandos are the ones calling him a choad and saying their 8 year old kid could beat him. Either you have the skill and understanding to back that shit up or your don't. There is a huge difference between thinking that you know and knowing that you know.
Many of you shoot your 400 or 500 rounds a year, read your magazine articles, and think your skills don't stink. Clueless... Push the keyboard away, pack your gear and come out to the range, and take your ass whoopin and start getting a clue, or.... stop posting crap like that and slither back to your tried and untested position of just how great you are...
I'm not defending him more so than calling others on their bullshit. Even he makes no excuses for his shooting that day. But there are more than a few in this thread that once again don't have the ability to think critically about the situation, and quite frankly are clueless about the various shooting skill levels in existance. I've seen it over and over again at every shooting competition I've ever been at. New shooter shows up, watches others shoot, realizes just how outmatched they are, either never comes back or readjusts their view of shooting skills and comes back for more.
So, you can make comments like a keyboard commando, or you can get a clue. Either way I could care less, but don't expect me to just let that crap float by without me calling you on it.
Call out goes to you too DD. Grab your gear, and bring it to the range to see where you rack and stack.
the point of the show is to find the best all around marksman. not just with rifles or pistols but with everything. adaptability is key. I can't wait to see them throwing knives and tomahawks.
This is like baseball. The in-shape professional athlete strikes out and gets heckled by the overweight schlub holding a hot dog and a beer.
and that's the nature of the game. superior skill or not, everybody strikes out sometimes.
and you can not deny the epic stature of Mike's failure.
StagLefty
06-14-2010, 14:09
I'd like to try the zip line just to find out how bad I am [Beer]
Push the keyboard away, pack your gear and come out to the range
Now where is the fun in that? Guns belong in the safe not the shooting range.
Besides, if someone was to actually see me shooting poorly, my whole internet persona would be spoiled.
Oh wait, I need to finish loading ammo for this weeks Magpul rifle class and this weekends 3-gun match.
Now where is the fun in that? Guns belong in the safe not the shooting range.
Besides, if someone was to actually see me shooting poorly, my whole internet persona would be spoiled.
Oh wait, I need to finish loading ammo for this weeks Magpul rifle class and this weekends 3-gun match.
Jeez..everyone knows Hoser don't shoot
That guy choked big time, nerves, bad rifle skills, who knows but I guess there is a prize at the end of this show for 1 winner, why would it not be expected for the spotter to not spot shit for the other guy espically when he sees he cant find paper on his own, easy way to let a competitor knock themself out.
Damn that was some horrible shooting.
ChadAmberg
06-14-2010, 16:28
Jeez..everyone knows Hoser don't shoot
He's a Chuck Norris disciple: he just stares at the target and a hole appears.
BTW, here's a post about episode 2 from Caleb on the blue team. http://gunnuts.net/2010/06/14/top-shot-episode-2-zipline-of-fire/
SA Friday
06-14-2010, 16:37
Caleb, Brad, and Mike are all discussing the shows in various threads on BE.com.
Caleb, Brad, and Mike are all discussing the shows in various threads on BE.com.
I know Im not in the cool circle because I have no idea what be.com is.
This is what I get.
Be.com, la première communauté 100% mode ! (http://www.be.com/)
Affirmez votre style, découvrez des produits qui VOUS ressemblent, créez et diffusez votre dressing, devenez Serial Shoppeuse ! Rejoignez-nous sur www.be.com
SA Friday
06-14-2010, 16:51
I know Im not in the cool circle because I have no idea what be.com is.
This is what I get.
Be.com, la première communauté 100% mode ! (http://www.be.com/)
Affirmez votre style, découvrez des produits qui VOUS ressemblent, créez et diffusez votre dressing, devenez Serial Shoppeuse ! Rejoignez-nous sur www.be.com (http://www.be.com)
www.brianenos.com (http://www.brianenos.com) There is a forum on the site.
www.brianenos.com (http://www.brianenos.com) There is a forum on the site.
Thank you.
Wow, this thread is comical at best.[ROFL2]
http://www.history.com/shows/top-shot/videos/playlists/full-episodes#top-shot-the-long-shot
Look at the video and decide for yourself. I can sure see impact clouds of dirt in the bushes and around the target. Its not that hard to see.
He choked. End of story.
This is like baseball. The in-shape professional athlete strikes out and gets heckled by the overweight schlub holding a hot dog and a beer.
Nice comparison!! [ROFL1]
High Altitude
06-15-2010, 20:18
This is like baseball. The in-shape professional athlete strikes out and gets heckled by the overweight schlub holding a hot dog and a beer.
Can I hit a 90mph fastball from a pro, not a chance. A 60 mph pitch, do it all the time at the cages with my daughter.
The target was only 100yds. Not 400, 700 or a 1000yds.
Not being able to hit that target at 100yds with a rifle is like not being able to hit a paper plate at 7-10yds with a pistol.
Should of been childs play for him, irregardless if he ever shot a rifle before at all. The basics are the basics and the kid that beat him proved that on the next episode shooting pistol.
The guy just plain choked.
The guy just plain choked.
Mike will be the first to admit his defeat. In fact, he wrote an interesting view of his experience where he borrows a very funny line from Forrest Griffin's book titled "Got Fight?"
I think the point that some of us are trying to make is that, because someone "chokes" and his performance is less-than-stellar, we don't see the need to use insulting epithets.
We have all been in similar circumstances whether it is shooting match (and trust me when I say that I have had quite a few "choke" moments shooting), or one of the many other sports or activities that we enjoy. I have competed in many different disciplines and I have won a few events and horribly crashed and burnt in many others. Yet, people around me have been kind enough to point out that "one bad performance, doesn't make anyone a failure".
No doubt that he failed at this attempt but, a few short weeks later he was back on the saddle winning Production Division in Area 4 (and this is no easy task).
Regardless of his good or bad performance (depending on the event we are talking about) the truth is that the guy is a talented competitor whom, like all other humans, has some good days and some horrible days at work. It so happens that Mike's turn came at a moment when the cameras were rolling and the shooting community/world was watching.
Sometimes (and at times I may have been guilty of this too) we use words to refer to a person which we wouldn't dare use in their presence. We feel empowered by calling someone a "this" or a "that" on the Internet and we forget that there is more to this individual that this TV performance.
http://www.shooting-performance.com/top_shot_show_98.html
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Forrest Griffin (professional MMA fighter) wrote a funny book called “Got Fight” about his career in the ring. One of the funniest lines I have ever read was one he used to describe how he would respond to the interview question “what happened?” after he got knocked out during a fight. His line was: “Everything was going good, then I just got knocked the f—k out!” I love that line, it is funny and such dry humor.
What happened to me on Top Shot? Everything was going good, and then I just got my ass kicked off the show! Not much else to say! Oops! If you're not first, your last...ha! (yes, forum and computer ranters, that was humor, don't take it so seriously)
hurley842002
06-15-2010, 22:17
Mike will be the first to admit his defeat. In fact, he wrote an interesting view of his experience where he borrows a very funny line from Forrest Griffin's book titled "Got Fight?"
I think the point that some of us are trying to make is that, because someone "chokes" and his performance is less-than-stellar, we don't see the need to use insulting epithets.
We have all been in similar circumstances whether it is shooting match (and trust me when I say that I have had quite a few "choke" moments shooting), or one of the many other sports or activities that we enjoy. I have competed in many different disciplines and I have won a few events and horribly crashed and burnt in many others. Yet, people around me have been kind enough to point out that "one bad performance, doesn't make anyone a failure".
No doubt that he failed at this attempt but, a few short weeks later he was back on the saddle winning Production Division in Area 4 (and this is no easy task).
Regardless of his good or bad performance (depending on the event we are talking about) the truth is that the guy is a talented competitor whom, like all other humans, has some good days and some horrible days at work. It so happens that Mike's turn came at a moment when the cameras were rolling and the shooting community/world was watching.
Sometimes (and at times I may have been guilty of this too) we use words to refer to a person which we wouldn't dare use in their presence. We feel empowered by calling someone a "this" or a "that" on the Internet and we forget that there is more to this individual that this TV performance.
http://www.shooting-performance.com/top_shot_show_98.html
_____________________________________________
Forrest Griffin (professional MMA fighter) wrote a funny book called “Got Fight” about his career in the ring. One of the funniest lines I have ever read was one he used to describe how he would respond to the interview question “what happened?” after he got knocked out during a fight. His line was: “Everything was going good, then I just got knocked the f—k out!” I love that line, it is funny and such dry humor.
What happened to me on Top Shot? Everything was going good, and then I just got my ass kicked off the show! Not much else to say! Oops! If you're not first, your last...ha! (yes, forum and computer ranters, that was humor, don't take it so seriously)
GREAT post [Beer]
Unfamiliar gun.
Unfamiliar situation.
Gun likely not even properly zeroed.
Stress of shooting in a competition for a $100,000 prize.
Surrounded by a camera crew at all times.
Those aren't the best circumstances to be shooting under, and even under the best circumstances, even the best shooters occasionally have a stage that goes epically bad.
Seeklander was willing to risk it all on a show, and things went south. I find it tremendously amusing that all of the cretins on the internet who won't even go out to shoot a local match suddenly start talking about how they're a better shot than he is.
StagLefty
06-17-2010, 09:09
I find it tremendously amusing that all of the cretins on the internet who won't even go out to shoot a local match suddenly start talking about how they're a better shot than he is.
Amen-Internet quarterbacks. [Coffee]
next competition is there a keyboard division I can sign up for?
SA Friday
06-17-2010, 14:03
next competition is there a keyboard division I can sign up for?
SURE!, but since you are already a GM, you have to start out in M class. Same goes for Hoser. [Coffee]
next competition is there a keyboard division I can sign up for?
SURE!, but since you are already a GM, you have to start out in M class. Same goes for Hoser. [Coffee]
Damn, don't have the equipment for a real match and now I can't even compete in a cyber match .... unless it's during working hours M-F cause the onyl computer I have is the one at work! HAHA... or the library.. this might work! Sign me up for the "limited keybaord" division! HAHA. [Beer]
Damn, don't have the equipment for a real match and now I can't even compete in a cyber match .... unless it's during working hours M-F cause the onyl computer I have is the one at work! HAHA... or the library.. this might work! Sign me up for the "limited keybaord" division! HAHA. [Beer]
Do you have a pistol, holster and a few mags?
Do you have a rifle and a sling/bi-pod?
Step away from the keyboard and show us how its done.
Do you have a pistol, holster and a few mags?
Do you have a rifle and a sling/bi-pod?
Step away from the keyboard and show us how its done.
I have a pistol. I have a concealed holster (would that work?) and I have 3 mags...
Do I have a rifle?! Yes Sir, she's my baby! There's a pic of her floating around here somewhere. But it's a bolt action, is that okay?
Show you how it's done? No Sir. I can hit what I'm aiming at but I can't do no nano-second draw/reloads and .00000021 MOA groups like it seems y'all do, lol.
I have fun at the range, just doin' my thing... though, I STILL think another obstacle course would be FUN.
Biggest problems for me is time and money. With my and my wife's schedules, it's hard to find time for the two of us. Money is really non-existent at this point as we are going pay check to pay check (can we say PB&J and Mac n cheese?! lol). I doubt she'd let me go out and buy 100+ differnet rounds for a match.
You've tried to get me out to a match and "one of these days" I'd LOVE to do it... however, for the forseeable future, it's work, work, work with an occasional clay day on a saturday and lots of dreaming of computers and firearms I wished I owned.
[Beer]
gnihcraes
06-18-2010, 09:08
I aint saying anything until they screw up on the Archery portion of the show... :)
hollohas
06-18-2010, 11:27
Because I find it ironic that Doc and Cy and everyone else who actually shoots competitively and has an understanding of the various skill levels of shooters out there are the ones defending him, and the keyboard commandos are the ones calling him a choad and saying their 8 year old kid could beat him. Either you have the skill and understanding to back that shit up or your don't. There is a huge difference between thinking that you know and knowing that you know.
Many of you shoot your 400 or 500 rounds a year, read your magazine articles, and think your skills don't stink. Clueless... Push the keyboard away, pack your gear and come out to the range, and take your ass whoopin and start getting a clue, or.... stop posting crap like that and slither back to your tried and untested position of just how great you are...
I'm not defending him more so than calling others on their bullshit. Even he makes no excuses for his shooting that day. But there are more than a few in this thread that once again don't have the ability to think critically about the situation, and quite frankly are clueless about the various shooting skill levels in existance. I've seen it over and over again at every shooting competition I've ever been at. New shooter shows up, watches others shoot, realizes just how outmatched they are, either never comes back or readjusts their view of shooting skills and comes back for more.
So, you can make comments like a keyboard commando, or you can get a clue. Either way I could care less, but don't expect me to just let that crap float by without me calling you on it.
Call out goes to you too DD. Grab your gear, and bring it to the range to see where you rack and stack.
Oops, looks like you have a little bit of the keyboard commando bug too. You don't have to be a professional or have tons of shooting competition trophies on your wall to know when a guy choked. It’s because of Mike’s incredible record and experience that anyone can say he choked. With his experience, he should have hit it. But he missed and that’s what makes it a choke.
I am a regular Joe. I may or may not hit that target. Mike is a professional. He missed. He choked. But he is still better than me.
That said, not many are giving props to Kelly for beating Mike. Mike has many, many years of experience on Kelly and Kelly beat him one-on-one. Props. Kelly seemed to be one cool cucumber and proved that he too is one hell of a professional marksman after others there questioned his experience. He proved it once again after he did so well with the handgun shooting portion this last episode even though he had very little experience with the hardware.
And if the magic of TV wasn’t lying to me, props to Andre for hitting the bull like that during the voting.
Also, let me stop you before you get all tough guy on me and call me down to the range to get “my ass whoopin”…you are better then me. I don’t even know you but you could beat me by a mile any day. Although I shoot thousands upon thousands of rounds each year through many different types of long guns and pistols, I have no experience in competition and no formal training except what my father taught me. Granted, I’ve learned a lot from him as he is a retired LEO, Swat sniper, expert pistol shooter, firearms instructor…he has yet to transfer his skill to me. I am the first to admit my marksman skills have a long way to go before they can even be called “good”. I would be embarrassed in any rifle or pistol competition…but would be willing to take a crack at some of you on the trap range. Oops, now I’m a keyboard commando too. [Wink]
denvernative321
06-18-2010, 11:52
This show is a total joke. how can you miss a target that big at 100 yards???? I have better aim with a golfball. How about some history on the history channel for once!
It is sposed to be on the Comedy Central Channel.....
…but would be willing to take a crack at some of you on the trap range. Oops, now I’m a keyboard commando too. [Wink]
Bring it on! That's my Saturday stress release... when I have the money.
[Beer]
Trap, skeet, clay, blah, blah... whatever, just throw something up and let me shoot it!
SA Friday
06-18-2010, 12:58
Oops, looks like you have a little bit of the keyboard commando bug too. You don't have to be a professional or have tons of shooting competition trophies on your wall to know when a guy choked. It’s because of Mike’s incredible record and experience that anyone can say he choked. With his experience, he should have hit it. But he missed and that’s what makes it a choke.
I am a regular Joe. I may or may not hit that target. Mike is a professional. He missed. He choked. But he is still better than me.
That said, not many are giving props to Kelly for beating Mike. Mike has many, many years of experience on Kelly and Kelly beat him one-on-one. Props. Kelly seemed to be one cool cucumber and proved that he too is one hell of a professional marksman after others there questioned his experience. He proved it once again after he did so well with the handgun shooting portion this last episode even though he had very little experience with the hardware.
And if the magic of TV wasn’t lying to me, props to Andre for hitting the bull like that during the voting.
Also, let me stop you before you get all tough guy on me and call me down to the range to get “my ass whoopin”…you are better then me. I don’t even know you but you could beat me by a mile any day. Although I shoot thousands upon thousands of rounds each year through many different types of long guns and pistols, I have no experience in competition and no formal training except what my father taught me. Granted, I’ve learned a lot from him as he is a retired LEO, Swat sniper, expert pistol shooter, firearms instructor…he has yet to transfer his skill to me. I am the first to admit my marksman skills have a long way to go before they can even be called “good”. I would be embarrassed in any rifle or pistol competition…but would be willing to take a crack at some of you on the trap range. Oops, now I’m a keyboard commando too. [Wink]
No, you're not, and it shows. Even Mike admits he choked. He's related that to the shooting community multiple times. The difference is obvious in your understanding of the higher end shooting skills out there and the reality that even the best shooter can have a bad run. This changes how you see and deal with judging the guy and not make statements like the one main individual I was addressing in my previous posts had done.
If you shoot that much already, then just grab your gear and come out to a match. Pistol, rifle, three gun... just make it happen. You need help finding the place and time, let me know.
gnihcraes
06-20-2010, 21:08
[UZI]
I can shoot a bow better than these folks with both arms tied behind my back...
(just kidding)
ok there I've done it... my time to brag. :)
My daughter two years ago, her arrows are the pink ones, the orange/yellow ones are mine.
http://www.dcandh.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=691&g2_serialNumber=1
Son, Daughter, Father... (I'm always the photographer, no pics of me usually)
http://www.dcandh.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=688&g2_serialNumber=2
Going this next weekend to the same Traditional Archery Shoot, I'll try to get some good shots! (and photos)
The Battle Clout is always fun, similar to TopShot - but at a lot longer distance, and about 100 shooters! Awesome watching that may arrows at once flying through the air.
spencerhenry
06-20-2010, 21:26
this show is supposed to find the best all around shot. if so then it needs to not be a reality show. if there were any desire to actually find the best all around marksman, the show would be structured completely different. each competitor would shoot all the weapons with a cumulative score. the elimination makes for good TV in someones mind, but a person can be eliminated in one area while they may kick ass in all others. the people left might suck in all areas except the one that the good shooter lost in.
+1 Henry. Seems like they should run it like a pistol match where everyone shoots every stage, and the final tally decides who did the best.
It's about entertainment and drama and things people who don't know a thing about shooting (they outnumber us, you know) could enjoy, not "the way it ought to be done". Same as anything from Hollywood -- they don't want reality, they want entertainment.
StagLefty
06-21-2010, 05:15
Too much drama last night-went down a few notches for me. [Coffee]
DD977GM2
06-21-2010, 09:14
I dont have to come out to prove shit to you. Me standing here today is a testement to my shooting ability when real bullets were flying towards me and the ability to place rounds where they needed to go on shithole boardings in the Gulf.
To be called a professional shooter and can not hit a target at 100 yards with a standard bolt action rifle is not a professional. THat is a sign of a choad as you so put it.
Keep defending your boyfriend as if it really matters when others are talking shit about someone who claimns to be a professional shooter. That means he shoots for a living and should be able to hit a target at 100 yards with his eyes closed. Time to wake up and smell the cordite.
Because I find it ironic that Doc and Cy and everyone else who actually shoots competitively and has an understanding of the various skill levels of shooters out there are the ones defending him, and the keyboard commandos are the ones calling him a choad and saying their 8 year old kid could beat him. Either you have the skill and understanding to back that shit up or your don't. There is a huge difference between thinking that you know and knowing that you know.
Many of you shoot your 400 or 500 rounds a year, read your magazine articles, and think your skills don't stink. Clueless... Push the keyboard away, pack your gear and come out to the range, and take your ass whoopin and start getting a clue, or.... stop posting crap like that and slither back to your tried and untested position of just how great you are...
I'm not defending him more so than calling others on their bullshit. Even he makes no excuses for his shooting that day. But there are more than a few in this thread that once again don't have the ability to think critically about the situation, and quite frankly are clueless about the various shooting skill levels in existance. I've seen it over and over again at every shooting competition I've ever been at. New shooter shows up, watches others shoot, realizes just how outmatched they are, either never comes back or readjusts their view of shooting skills and comes back for more.
So, you can make comments like a keyboard commando, or you can get a clue. Either way I could care less, but don't expect me to just let that crap float by without me calling you on it.
Call out goes to you too DD. Grab your gear, and bring it to the range to see where you rack and stack.
DocMedic
06-21-2010, 10:00
Too much drama last night-went down a few notches for me. [Coffee]
What on the show or in this thread? [ROFL1]
I love archery, matter fact its what got me started in Competitive shooting in the first place. I would win alot of Junior 3D shoots around Carson when my dad was stationed here. About year ago when ammo was becoming hard to find, I picked up a Ross 35(?) To start shooting 3D competitions again, admittedly it has taken a back seat to my IPSC/3gun Competition shooting, also I could never find any information where the 3D shoots would be held at.
StagLefty
06-21-2010, 11:01
What on the show or in this thread? [ROFL1]
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[ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3]
What on the show or in this thread? [ROFL1]
[ROFL1]
[ROFL1]
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What on the show or in this thread? [ROFL1]
Amen brother.[ROFL3]
SA Friday
06-22-2010, 13:58
What on the show or in this thread? [ROFL1]
Ya, definately truth in that [Tooth].
Bout as much fun as watching the bachelorette (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=gmail&rls=gm&&sa=X&ei=BXIhTOO7KNOgnQfNi5FO&ved=0CBoQBSgA&q=bachelorette&spell=1)
High Altitude
06-23-2010, 03:11
I only watch the shooting parts, fast forward past everything else. Thank you DVR.
When is the red team gonna learn that their guy can't be beaten in challenges?
The shooting stages they've had look fun as hell. If there was a place somewhere that recreated them I'd go in a heartbeat.
Todays show was pretty interesting. Funny how some people choke up a little under pressure. I was kinda disappointed that they used the 226 copy with the British guy shooting it. Kinda gives an unfair advantage on that challenge... oh well!
I thought red team was bad. Blue team is worse!
StagLefty
07-13-2010, 07:12
As I've posted before too much drama (I know I know it's TV) if they concentrated more on the shooting and skills the show would be a winner.[Rant2]
man there are some whiney bitches on that show.
I had hoped the tall ex-marine with sand in his vag would lose, but he didn't.
Now what I'm wondering is if the short guy had just stepped up to him and said if you have a problem with me, lets step outside. (this would never happen on reality tv, I know) would the taller guy begrudgingly give him some respect for standing up?
Evidently they're holding open casting for season 2 of Top Shot.
I wonder how many of the people here who are so critical of the contestants from Season 1 will submit an application.
Better than everyone else on season 1?
$100,000 prize?
You can't possibly lose!
StagLefty
07-13-2010, 16:52
Evidently they're holding open casting for season 2 of Top Shot.
I wonder how many of the people here who are so critical of the contestants from Season 1 will submit an application.
Better than everyone else on season 1?
$100,000 prize?
You can't possibly lose!
I think it's all the drama we've been critical of not their shooting skills [Beer]
Don't be that guy Justin.
here are spoilers from tonight's show to highlight:
holy moley two guys on the red team fail completely to hit their targets and they still send the young kid to the elimination challenge.
the kid was pissed, and rightly so. I'm glad he won.
e2cTrainer
07-26-2010, 07:08
This is a pretty interesting Show for me, I love the wide range of weapons and Shots they are doing. Shooting over the back with a mirror! [ROFL1]
This is a pretty interesting Show for me, I love the wide range of weapons and Shots they are doing. Shooting over the back with a mirror! [ROFL1]
Yea, it's that stuff that makes me tune in and watch - the rest I could care less about.
StagLefty
07-26-2010, 07:47
The multiple shotgun shooting always impresses me. The guy who shoots for Bennelli does something like 8 and that includes him throwing them up himself.
e2cTrainer
07-26-2010, 08:19
Yeah, I know one of the guys, so it's interesting to see how the TV editing portrays him, but I don't care too much for the drama either!
I watch very little TV, but if I happen to remember it's on, Top Shot is better than Top Chef for me![Cheer]
The Shotgun Shooting was pretty sweet! [Shotg][Shotg][Shotg]
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