Did you know that Blackhawk banned bicycles?

[Irving]

Well, I guess they did. Here is a completely unbiased reader response about it.

http://303cycling.com/Bikes-banned-in-Black-Hawk-Colorado-town-roads




Bikes banned in Colorado town roads
The town of Black Hawk, Colorado banned bicycles from most of its local streets. And Black Hawk Mayor David Spellman — who won the mayoral election unanimously in 2008 — is a drunken wife beater who consistently ranks as the most corrupt public official in Colorado. Really.
To “promote safety” (retards! pinheads! idiots!), the casino town of Black Hawk in the Colorado Front Range has banned bikes from local streets. Police have been ticketing cyclists riding through town since the ban became effective last January 2010.
As Austin On Two Wheels notes about the safety angle:
Safety. Yeah. Right. Do you know what the number one cause of accidental deaths in the US is? Cars, not bicycles. Do you know the leading cause of all deaths? Heart disease brought on a sedentary lifestyle that involves driving everywhere you go. If they really cared about the health and well being of their citizens, Black Hawk would ban cars, not bikes.
The city of Blackhawk website is down as of this writing, but the city’s (apparently official) Facebook page brags about the “many transportation options” in Black Hawk. City Hall phone number is (303) 582-2210 and (303) 582-2212, mailing address is PO Box 68, Black Hawk, CO, 80422 if you’d like let them know how you feel. The city manager’s name is Mike Copp – his email address seems to be citymgr@cityofblackhawk.org; the mayor is David D. Spellman. The Planning Department, which probably doubles as the dog catcher in this town of around 100 people, is planningdept@cityofblackhawk.org.
Mayor David Spellman, incidentally, seems like a real character. In 2006, he was convicted of felony assault after he pistol whipped his wife — beating her several times in the head with a .38 and then shooting three times in a drunken rage — during a domestic dispute. In 2008, the Colorado Bureau of Investigations determined that Spellman personally received more than $1 million in state historical funds that were meant to preserve and restore the historical character of Black Hawk (the town council approved the purchase of land from Spellman using the state funds); he and several other town officials remain under investigation, and the former town manager was forced to resign. In 2009, Spellman purchased the local newspaper that was critical of him and fired the editor. Mayor Spellman consistently has topped the “Most Corrupt Public Officials list in Colorado. He and the town her represent seem like real gold mines.

[Daniel_187]

Good for Blackhawk, I hate the road biker fuckers in Boulder. they think they own the place and never follow any of the rules of the road. Boulder could make more money ticketing these fuck heads then the damn red lights cams could.

[soco11]

Daniel,
You don't have much of a vocabulary, do you? All your posts seem to have the same tired vulgar language.

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[SA Friday]

Daniel,
You don't have much of a vocabulary, do you? All your posts seem to have the same tired vulgar language.

Ran across this on The Firing Line. Thought it had some good thoughts.

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This isn't the firing line, and a privately owned site as far as I know.
The mods are pretty good at their jobs and you are not one of them. They can handle it if they deem the post to be out of control. Opinions, even heated and vulgar, are still given their due here for the most part. I find it'e easier to weigh opinion when the communication is uninhibited by what's deemed politically correct.
You have one post... Probably not the best way to start out introducing yourself to the masses.

As to the OP, I'm not suprised by this at all. Seriously, you mean there's corruption problems in a town almost soley supported through the gambling industry? Say it isn't so... Next thing you tell me is they have high dollar prostitution happening there...

I've lived the majority of my life in CO, and I have yet to find a reason to go to Blackhawk. This all rates about a 1 out of 10 on my give-a-crap scale.

[BigBear]

Daniel,
You don't have much of a vocabulary, do you? All your posts seem to have the same tired vulgar language.

Ran across this on The Firing Line. Thought it had some good thoughts.

Language that would be inappropriate in the polite company of strangers is quite unwelcome here.

To assist the users in achieving this goal, the forum software is equipped with a language filter.

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1 post?.... FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU!!!! $&^&(*% #%&$^* son of a #&^^&*!!!


[Beer]

Road bikers should follow the same road rules but they rarely do. There have been several accidents caused by bikers in my neck of the woods... though I'm sure that there have been several bike accidents caused by cars as well.

[Ridge]

Bikers oblivious to everyone and everything around them is the greatest danger to their existance....Darwin will sort things out shortly...

[sniper7]

i am glad they banned the bikes. it is mostly older people or diabled or drunk people up there...that is all you need is a bunch of boulder bike riders to come flying down the mountain to get tagged by an old couple or them riding through the town not getting out of the way. they think they own the road in boulder and everywhere else they ride. if you look at the winding canyon road into blackhawk and all the blndd curves those dumb fucks may realize not riding there is a good idea because when a bus hits them they will lose. if they cant go the speed limit posted they shouldnt be allowed on that road. they can go buy a exercise bike and a tv.

[Daniel_187]

Don't know what its like these days but Lefthand Canyon was a nightmare on a Sat/Sun with them riding 3/4 abrest, chugging up the hill and you trying to get around them. (sorry guys, I just don't use big words and the naughty F word is my favorite since growing up on Long Island)

[TS12000]

Every time I see a group of these assholes I wish I had a beer bottle in the car to throw at them

http://www.aolcdn.com/channels/05/05/46cf1947-00126-05317-400cb8e1

[HBARleatherneck]

i am pretty sure they cant stop the people you think they are stopping. they cant ban bikes on hwy 119. that is a state highway. it is the peak to peak highway. this is frequented by bicyclists as well as us who ride harleys (or those other bikes...just kidding). they are stopping local, employees, etc. from riding to work from the upper parking lots, thier houses in Central city. i lived many years in the mountain near there. it of course now sucks. i also worked in the casinos for a couple years. the mayor is a crook. so, its once again about screwing someone. David, the mayor probably is getting back at someone who lost thier license and now needs to ride a bike to get to work.


the idea of putting gambling in the mountains, up a steep 2 lane road, that has a sheer wall on one side and creek on the other was stupid. they should have built casinos at the new airport site or the old stapleton complex at the time. so many accidents, so scary with the drinking and gambling and then the inevitable driving home.

[BuffCyclist]

Well, I didn't really want to jump in on this one, but you are making me do it.

I am a cyclist, was on the CU Cycling Team for 4 years and during my time as a cyclist in Boulder, I have been hit by 2 cars. Both were hit and runs, I was in the bike lane each time and the assholes have never been caught even though I got the license plate of one of them. After the second incident, I had to get MAJOR knee surgery that still bugs me to this day. That was 2.5 years ago and I'm only 24.

While sometimes it may be fun to joke about throwing beer bottles at cyclists, it's really quite a horrible thing to do. A good friend of mine, who used to be a messenger cyclist in New York City once had a ceramic coffee mug thrown at her. It broke her collarbone, caused her tons of medical bills and she now carries ulocks with her while riding to defend herself.

I do agree that a majority of cyclists in Boulder believe they own the roads, same goes for pedestrians, but causing physical harm to them intentionally is just plain wrong. Joke all you want, but make it known in your post that it is a bit of sarcasm.

Now, let me go [Bang] while I somewhat regret speaking up.

Now, I've driven through Blackhawk and never in my life would I even THINK of riding a bike there. The roads are too small, and cars are oblivious as they are looking for the nearest place to park or free drinks.

[SA Friday]

(sorry guys, I just don't use big words and the naughty F word is my favorite since growing up on Long Island)
No fucking shit... Even the accent comes through the screen.

[Anton]

Now, I've driven through Blackhawk and never in my life would I even THINK of riding a bike there. The roads are too small, and cars are oblivious as they are looking for the nearest place to park or free drinks.

Exactly. Yet rediculous numbers of people do it. Even the tunnels on the highway (you know, the ones with the signs that say "no bicycles") are full of people on bicycles. [Rant1]

[Mtn.man]

Bycyclists should only be allowed to ride in parks or something,, fuk em... They ALL think they own the road. I OWN THE

....ROAD....

Besides the suits make em all look gay....LOL

[BuffCyclist]

Besides the suits make em all look gay....LOL

You're just jealous that you can't wear spandex out in public... [ROFL1]

[Mtn.man]

I would rather take a taser shot naked...

[Chris2087]

I guess I never really cared too much for who was riding what where, but I do get upset when I pay my tag fees and then have to crawl at 8 mph behind some biker who has a right to be there, but is riding on the road my taxes paid for so I could go faster then the mininum speed limit.

I think they should have to get a tag, pay for road use and get tickets for ubstructing traffic.

Chris

[TS12000]

Well, I didn't really want to jump in on this one, but you are making me do it.

I am a cyclist, was on the CU Cycling Team for 4 years and during my time as a cyclist in Boulder, I have been hit by 2 cars. Both were hit and runs, I was in the bike lane each time and the assholes have never been caught even though I got the license plate of one of them. After the second incident, I had to get MAJOR knee surgery that still bugs me to this day. That was 2.5 years ago and I'm only 24.

While sometimes it may be fun to joke about throwing beer bottles at cyclists, it's really quite a horrible thing to do. A good friend of mine, who used to be a messenger cyclist in New York City once had a ceramic coffee mug thrown at her. It broke her collarbone, caused her tons of medical bills and she now carries ulocks with her while riding to defend herself.

I do agree that a majority of cyclists in Boulder believe they own the roads, same goes for pedestrians, but causing physical harm to them intentionally is just plain wrong. Joke all you want, but make it known in your post that it is a bit of sarcasm.

Now, let me go [Bang] while I somewhat regret speaking up.

Now, I've driven through Blackhawk and never in my life would I even THINK of riding a bike there. The roads are too small, and cars are oblivious as they are looking for the nearest place to park or free drinks.

My comment wasn't sarcastic, I really do hate road bikers. If you really were in the bike lane when you got hit then I feel for you but I am talking of another type. The type that refuses to use the bike lane or the sidewalk. Or pays attention to road rules like stop signs. Or rides in a lane on a major street like Broadway. I hope they all take a swift ride into the cement like Ritter.

Also, don't give me that crap that it's a road bike and riding on the sidewalk isn't what it's about or something. If your bike can't be ridden on the sidewalk because it's too precious, that makes it a shitty bike

[Irving]

Every time I've ridden a bike on the road I feel super uncomfortable. I'd rather ride on the sidewalk. It is fun to see if you can go 30 mph on the shoulder where you aren't dodge telephone poles and indents on the sidewalk, but once a car blasts past you even faster, it's not fun anymore.


I'm kind of torn on the bike issue actually. I hear a lot of trash talking about bikers trying to go fast in parks, and not letting you pass on mountain roads, but I haven't had a lot of experience with that.

Personally, I don't think that bikes or pedestrians should EVER have the right away. Would you give a swimmer the right of way over a boat?

[sniper7]

My comment wasn't sarcastic, I really do hate road bikers. If you really were in the bike lane when you got hit then I feel for you but I am talking of another type. The type that refuses to use the bike lane or the sidewalk. Or pays attention to road rules like stop signs. Or rides in a lane on a major street like Broadway. I hope they all take a swift ride into the cement like Ritter.



I watched a very comical incident while driving the highway from boulder to lyons one day:
4 bikers thought they owned the highway and even though they were doing 30MPH or so they were still holding up traffic. a VERY big RV was in front of me, trying to pass these bicyclists who were riding 4 across even though there is a very large bike lane.
the RV honked several times as he obviously didn't have the power to pass them quickly without causing an issue for oncoming traffic while in the wrong lane. he was flipped off by the 2 guys on the outside, which I am guessing pretty well pissed him off to the limit, so when he was able he got next to them and gently nudged all 4 of them off the road down the hill! I watched a couple of them eat shit and thought it was FUCKING HILARIOUS!!!! they truly did deserve it IMO.

[Anton]

Would you give a swimmer the right of way over a boat?

Yes. Them's the rules. But I get what you're trying to say.

[BuffCyclist]

I watched a very comical incident while driving the highway from boulder to lyons one day:
4 bikers thought they owned the highway and even though they were doing 30MPH or so they were still holding up traffic. a VERY big RV was in front of me, trying to pass these bicyclists who were riding 4 across even though there is a very large bike lane.
the RV honked several times as he obviously didn't have the power to pass them quickly without causing an issue for oncoming traffic while in the wrong lane. he was flipped off by the 2 guys on the outside, which I am guessing pretty well pissed him off to the limit, so when he was able he got next to them and gently nudged all 4 of them off the road down the hill! I watched a couple of them eat shit and thought it was FUCKING HILARIOUS!!!! they truly did deserve it IMO.

Are you kidding me?! I hope you reported the RV to the police! While, cycling 4 abreast, let alone 2 abreast on 36 is a stupid thing to do on the cyclists' part the RV actually caused harm using his vehicle to cyclists. This fucking pisses me off. I'm done with this thread as it is not only moved off-topic from the original post (banning bikers in Blackhawk) but it is now creating a hostile environment towards cyclists.

[Anton]

I'm done with this thread as it is not only moved off-topic from the original post (banning bikers in Blackhawk) but it is now creating a hostile environment towards cyclists.

I hate to be an arse but cyclists create a hostile environment on their own.

At least you manned up and stated your view, despite its unpopularity. That's respectable.

[Irving]

If you don't hurry across the street when walking, or do your best to stay out of the way on a bike, then you shouldn't be on the road. I enjoy riding my bike as much as anyone else, but I give everything else the right of way. Kind of goes with the territory. Smaller more nimble things should always give the right of way to the larger things. The flow of traffic is much more important than the occasional trickle of pedestrians and/or bicycles.

[Not_A_Llama]

I bike to work every morning, and I still loled.

Roadbiking feels wrong to me, and is intrinsically hazardous as fuck. I'd love to ride on the sidewalks, but that's (supposedly) illegal. Although I've ridden past ten motorcycle cops on lunch, and none of them so much as batted an eye.

[Irving]

Roadbiking feels wrong to me, and is intrinsically hazardous as fuck. I'd love to ride on the sidewalks, but that's (supposedly) illegal.

This perfectly sums up my feelings. I've never done anything mean to a jogger or biker while I was driving a car.

[StagLefty]

Can't cuss on here and can't ride a bike mmmm guess I'll pack up a few assault rifles and go shooting. [Beer]

[sniper7]

Are you kidding me?! I hope you reported the RV to the police! While, cycling 4 abreast, let alone 2 abreast on 36 is a stupid thing to do on the cyclists' part the RV actually caused harm using his vehicle to cyclists. This fucking pisses me off. I'm done with this thread as it is not only moved off-topic from the original post (banning bikers in Blackhawk) but it is now creating a hostile environment towards cyclists.


hell no I didn't report him, I gave him a thumbs up when I passed him later just for the entertainment value I received. those cock fags didn't want to get over and felt like they owned a highway, wouldn't let traffic pass and got taught a lesson.

[cowboykjohnson]

If you don't like my driving stay off the sidewalk!

[shane]

The fact of the matter is you are going to have douchebags with anything, doesn't matter if your ridding a bike or trying to shoot at rampart range. I road bike and really enjoy it. I pick the roads I ride on carefully and stay as far right as humanly possible and follow all traffic rules as if I were in a car. So please don't throw your beer bottles at me or try running me off the road. Not everyone out there is a douche.

[Irving]

I'm actually afraid of running and riding my bike on major roads because I know that people hate road bikers because of the few a-holes that ruin it for everyone else.

[theGinsue]

Good for Blackhawk, I hate the road biker fuckers in Boulder. they think they own the place and never follow any of the rules of the road. Boulder could make more money ticketing these fuck heads then the damn red lights cams could.


Agreed. I am SO against bicycles on public roadways. Their "I have the same rights to this road that you in cars do" attitude present more hazards to themselves and the motorists than they will ever admit.


The fact of the matter is you are going to have douchebags with anything, doesn't matter if your ridding a bike or trying to shoot at rampart range. I road bike and really enjoy it. I pick the roads I ride on carefully and stay as far right as humanly possible and follow all traffic rules as if I were in a car. So please don't throw your beer bottles at me or try running me off the road. Not everyone out there is a douche.

YOU are one of the few exceptions from those I've personally encountered. While I would never intentionally try to injure, threaten, or intimidate a bicyclist, I will never have fondness for people riding bikes on a road.

[shane]

YOU are one of the few exceptions from those I've personally encountered. While I would never intentionally try to injure, threaten, or intimidate a bicyclist, I will never have fondness for people riding bikes on a road.

Seriously, it really does suck how stupid some of these peolpe are. I sometimes get scared ridding with other peolpe because of their poor decision making. There is something like 1000 miles of paved trails here in the metro area that I enjoy ridding, but sometime it's nice to stretch your legs and ride up lookout mountain.

[theGinsue]

Daniel,
You don't have much of a vocabulary, do you? All your posts seem to have the same tired vulgar language.

Ran across this on The Firing Line. Thought it had some good thoughts.

Language that would be inappropriate in the polite company of strangers is quite unwelcome here.

To assist the users in achieving this goal, the forum software is equipped with a language filter.

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Thanks for your support.

Hmm. Perhaps you should start by going into the New User Sign In forum and starting an introduction thread. That would be the best way to get started on this site.

Additionally, you may wish to take some time to get familiar with this site and the way we interact. Almost completely, we respect each other and yet post with few inhibitions. This allows for an open, free excahnge of ideas and information. We've found that this works well for us.



This isn't the firing line, and a privately owned site as far as I know.
The mods are pretty good at their jobs and you are not one of them. They can handle it if they deem the post to be out of control. Opinions, even heated and vulgar, are still given their due here for the most part. I find it'e easier to weigh opinion when the communication is uninhibited by what's deemed politically correct.
You have one post... Probably not the best way to start out introducing yourself to the masses.

As to the OP, I'm not suprised by this at all. Seriously, you mean there's corruption problems in a town almost soley supported through the gambling industry? Say it isn't so... Next thing you tell me is they have high dollar prostitution happening there...

I've lived the majority of my life in CO, and I have yet to find a reason to go to Blackhawk. This all rates about a 1 out of 10 on my give-a-crap scale.

+1 on the comments to the newbie.

I've never been to Blackhawk either - and can't see that changing - ever.

I remember what Cripple Creek was like before gambling came in and I think it's lost the mystique it once had. My point is that I think gambling in CO has ruined some great quaint towns.


1 post?.... FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU!!!! $&^&(*% #%&$^* son of a #&^^&*!!!

Well said but you misspelled $&^&(*% #@&$^*. I'm just sayin.

[theGinsue]

Besides the suits make em all look gay....LOL

Oh, I dunno. there's this one that....

er...
ah.....

Hey, you guys catch the game today?

[ROFL1]



You're just jealous that you can't wear spandex out in public... [ROFL1]

*I* can wear spandex out in public. Whenever I do this though, for some reason, I hear wretching sounds all around.


I would rather take a taser shot naked...

I don't care what you've heard - it's not nearly as much fun as it sounds.


I guess I never really cared too much for who was riding what where, but I do get upset when I pay my tag fees and then have to crawl at 8 mph behind some biker who has a right to be there, but is riding on the road my taxes paid for so I could go faster then the mininum speed limit.

I think they should have to get a tag, pay for road use and get tickets for ubstructing traffic.

Chris
^^^This sums up my thoughts on this issue completely. In fact, I have a cyclist co-worker who has no issues getting into traffic (instead of using the perfectly clear 8 foot shoulder) out on Hwy 94. When I'm car #6 of 11 behind him driving @ 32mph in a 60 zone, I get a bit bitter. Chris, I use your argument to state my position all of the time.

I've also encountered this mentality on the road between Boulder & Lyons which has a bike lane. You get a couple (or more) riders side-by-side and inevitably, someone is swerving or flat out riding out in the motorist lane of travel. What's even better is when I get the rider passing another cyclist without even looking and they pull right out in front of me. UGH!

[Irving]

Also, the term "Share the road" isn't just directed at motorists.

And Ginsue, don't you dare try and take my gambling away from me!

[theGinsue]

I watched a very comical incident while driving the highway from boulder to lyons one day:
4 bikers thought they owned the highway and even though they were doing 30MPH or so they were still holding up traffic. a VERY big RV was in front of me, trying to pass these bicyclists who were riding 4 across even though there is a very large bike lane.
the RV honked several times as he obviously didn't have the power to pass them quickly without causing an issue for oncoming traffic while in the wrong lane. he was flipped off by the 2 guys on the outside, which I am guessing pretty well pissed him off to the limit, so when he was able he got next to them and gently nudged all 4 of them off the road down the hill! I watched a couple of them eat shit and thought it was FUCKING HILARIOUS!!!! they truly did deserve it IMO.

While I don't condone that behavior, I certainly know I've been to that limit where I've WANTED to do that. My luck, someone would get seriously injured or killed - then I'd lose my gun rights.

[blackford76]

I love putting along at speeds my speedo can't register, waiting for an area to make a clean, safe pass when the paved bike path is mere feet off of the road.
That is when I shift into a higher gear and let the Powerstroke smoke 'em out. They have to let the cloud clear so they can flip me off.

[theGinsue]

And Ginsue, don't you dare try and take my gambling away from me!

Naw, but like another poster said before, they should have put it somewhere out near the airport or someplace where they weren't destroying the historical nature of the place.

[BigBear]

I guess I never really cared too much for who was riding what where, but I do get upset when I pay my tag fees and then have to crawl at 8 mph behind some biker who has a right to be there, but is riding on the road my taxes paid for so I could go faster then the mininum speed limit.

I think they should have to get a tag, pay for road use and get tickets for ubstructing traffic.

If they use the road, they should have to register/get tags etc and pay the fees like motorists. As far as the going below the minimum speed limit. I don't mind, I just settle behind them rubbing their tire with my bumper and laying on the horn... they move pretty quick after that.


Well said but you misspelled $&^&(*% #@&$^*. I'm just sayin.

Crap Ginsue,... thanks for catching that. Here ya go: *&%((%$^&#. I had to look that one up.


lol [Beer]

[cowboykjohnson]

I love putting along at speeds my speedo can't register, waiting for an area to make a clean, safe pass when the paved bike path is mere feet off of the road.
That is when I shift into a higher gear and let the Powerstroke smoke 'em out. They have to let the cloud clear so they can flip me off.
+1 gotta love the diesel!

[iamhunter]

most cyclists are pretty respectful and stay on the side of the road, unless making a left turn...

I'd chill out with the grumpy old man vibe going on in here,

I rode a bike to school and work for three years after high school while I was to poor to afford a car.

I agree the douchebags who take up the entire road are idiots,

but most cyclists are pretty respectful of the road.

[blackford76]

I agree there are a LOT of riders who are cool about it, BUT the few who are dickheads ruin it. Too many times to count they hold up traffic on the road when the bike path is 6 feet to thier right. Those are the guys this grumpy old guy wants to bumper check. I never would, but I sure would like to.

[Hoosier]

Who would be happy about such a curtailing of liberties?

Are there sidewalks or other places bicyclists can go? I don't even remember how many miles I biked from age 12 to 16, before I could drive.

I mean, if a bicycle can't get you from A to B in a town, and driving is a "privilege" rather than a right, then we're saying the government can keep you home unless you want to walk/bus/taxi?

H.

[Elhuero]

Daniel,
You don't have much of a vocabulary, do you? All your posts seem to have the same tired vulgar language.

Ran across this on The Firing Line. Thought it had some good thoughts.

Language that would be inappropriate in the polite company of strangers is quite unwelcome here.

To assist the users in achieving this goal, the forum software is equipped with a language filter.

The language filter is not there to prompt you to invent creative ways to defeat it. If the language filter does't like the word then DON'T USE IT!

Don't star letters out so that the meaning is clear but the filter doesn't catch it.
Don't use acronyms that obviously include a disallowed term.
Just don't.

Thanks for your support.

Frankly I don't have a problem with cyclists.
Unless they are doing something stupid, I have no problem sharing the road.
Courtesy is an attribute of a true gentleman, I give them a wide berth.
Kids can learn to play nice together, why not grownups?

Yelling or throwing things at bikers is a cowardly thing to do.
On the road, remember the golden rule.
Unless the biker is doing something shitty on purpose, then fuck 'em.

[Hoosier]

remember the golden rule.

This is good advice pretty much all the time. See also: Silver Rule

H.

[Mtn.man]

They are NOT bikers, they are cyclists....<G>

[cowboykjohnson]

They are NOT bikers, they are cyclists....<G>
big +1 there Mtn.Man

[BigBear]

"BIKE"http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4fVBL4fjrFI/SpZppD99ffI/AAAAAAAADOQ/-c-hDRdhTtM/s800/Harley-Davidson.jpg

cycle
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[hollohas]

I totally agree with the posts that say cyclists should have to pay reg fees and get a license to use the road like every other vehicle on the road. If they have the same rights and must follow the same rules, they should have to take a test and get a license like every motorist. They feel they are above that and they are special for whatever reason. “Oh, I ride my bike to work, I’m special” or “I’m helping the environment while staying fit.” No you’re not; you’re just a self promoting douche.

And to BuffCyclist…it maybe uncool to hurt someone but those guys were riding 4 wide. Had they been 1 wide like they should have been, they would have had room to move over and avoid being run off the road. A motorcycle can’t ride abreast in Colorado and neither can cyclists. One more case of cyclists breaking the law and one more case of cyclists being dipshits and endangering themselves by the way they choose to ride. If I were driving my little car all slow in the mountains on a narrow road (Not that I would ever drive slow, I laughed just writing that), and some huge big rig was bearing down on my back bumper, you bet your ass I would pull over to avoid him rear-ending me. See, I have this instinct called self preservation.

I can say that maybe 1 out of 100 cyclists I see actually follow the law. The 99 others run stop lights/signs, don’t go the minimum posted speed, ride abreast, don’t signal (of course it seems every turn signal in the state must be broken because cars don’t either, how hard is it to move your left finger 1 inch?) etc., etc. And by doing all of those things they are endangering themselves.

That said, those on here that are cyclists should put a picture of an AR15 on your back to avoid the beer bottles mentioned before.

[hollohas]

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!! [ROFL2]

[BigBear]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!! [ROFL2]
Thanks, I thought it was funny..

I just bought my neice a "bike". It's fun trying to kids balance... I actually cheated: We started with some martial arts and balance beams. As soon as she was on the bike she was trying to talk me into removing the training wheels cause "it doesn't let me have control" (and she's only 4!!) lol. Too bad her mom's a %$*((... but she's trying to change her ways so I can't fault her. Actually I can. She had the kid, gave hte kid up (to my wife-her sister) for 3 years and then shows up one day and just demands her back revoking the power of attorney, etc. Good thing we weren't married then or I would've gone through the roof. I'm still not too polite to her... I need to change my ways too....

[cowboykjohnson]

I totally agree with the posts that say cyclists should have to pay reg fees and get a license to use the road like every other vehicle on the road. If they have the same rights and must follow the same rules, they should have to take a test and get a license like every motorist. They feel they are above that and they are special for whatever reason. “Oh, I ride my bike to work, I’m special” or “I’m helping the environment while staying fit.” No you’re not; you’re just a self promoting douche.

And to BuffCyclist…it maybe uncool to hurt someone but those guys were riding 4 wide. Had they been 1 wide like they should have been, they would have had room to move over and avoid being run off the road. A motorcycle can ride 2 abreast in Colorado and cyclists can't because its the law. One more case of cyclists breaking the law and one more case of cyclists being dipshits and endangering themselves by the way they choose to ride. If I were driving my little car all slow in the mountains on a narrow road (Not that I would ever drive slow, I laughed just writing that), and some huge big rig was bearing down on my back bumper, you bet your ass I would pull over to avoid him rear-ending me. See, I have this instinct called self preservation.

I can say that maybe 1 out of 100 cyclists I see actually follow the law. The 99 others run stop lights/signs, don’t go the minimum posted speed, ride abreast, don’t signal (of course it seems every turn signal in the state must be broken because cars don’t either, how hard is it to move your left finger 1 inch?) etc., etc. And by doing all of those things they are endangering themselves.

That said, those on here that are cyclists should put a picture of an AR15 on your back to avoid the beer bottles mentioned before.

Fixed for ya.

[cowboykjohnson]

Since we're doing comparisons [Tooth]


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I Kid I kid [Beer]

[Mtn.man]

DAC is more popular today than anytime I can remeber.
Used to be when you listened to him people would ask What singer is that?

[GreenScoutII]

I used to ride a bicycle everywhere when I was a kid. Then, as an adult, I rode my bicycle to work for three years in my late 20's because I needed to lose some weight and riding is fun.

I agree that there are some cyclists who lack any kind of common sense. They will quote the law, "I have as much right to the road as a motorist", but they ignore the laws of physics. In an altercation between bicycle and automobile, the car wins every time. I found it dangerous and unnerving to ride on major or even secondary thoroughfares. I would always try to find a parallel route which would take me through residential neighborhoods or less busy streets. That way I wasn't putting myself in danger or pissing drivers off. I was always courteous and followed all the rules of the road.

Riding on the sidewalk IS illegal if you are an adult. Not just illegal, but dangerous as hell.

Did I have bad experiences with drivers? You bet. In fact, the last fistfight I got in was with some asshole who deliberately tried to run me off the road. He was yet another impotent twit who compensated for his lack of masculinity (read: small dick) with an F350. He wasn't so tough when I caught him at the next red light. I hope he had fun searching for his keys after I took them from him and threw them as far as I could.

I still occasionally ride my bicycle for fun and fitness. If a motorist attempts to run me off the road or throws an item at me, I consider this assault with a deadly weapon. I CCW specifically to avoid assault on me with deadly weapons. If you feel the need to be a fucking bully by using size and strength (your car) to intimidate someone smaller (the cyclist), be careful. Sometimes the little guy gets tired of being picked on and fights back.

[Irving]

I don't really care about cyclists not following the rules of the road, as long as they stay out of the way. I stop at red lights, and slow down for stop signs, but keep going. On the other hand, I also do everything I can to not obstruct traffic; so I doubt anyone would care. Well, if I'm riding ON the road, then I obey traffic laws for the most part.

[HBARleatherneck]

Air cooled all the way, forget that water cooled stuff.

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[TS12000]

I CCW specifically to avoid assault on me with deadly weapons. If you feel the need to be a fucking bully by using size and strength (your car) to intimidate someone smaller (the cyclist), be careful. Sometimes the little guy gets tired of being picked on and fights back.

Sometimes the little guy get thrown in prison for using unnecessary force in a situation. I'm not saying you wouldn't be justified, I'm saying you wouldn't be justified in the DA's eyes.

[cowboykjohnson]

DAC is more popular today than anytime I can remeber.
Used to be when you listened to him people would ask What singer is that?
I like his concerts, been to 3 of em and I'm only 22. Everyone from 90 year old ladies to the Sons of S attend.

[robsterclaw]

Interesting this is posted. The members not from Colo Spgs might not know this area, but Powers is down to 1 lane for a few miles starting around Drennan (the road out to the airport). So I'm driving today and there's two bicyclists. One is still on the pavement, but on the other side of the white line. The other douche is on my side of the white line riding side by side with the smart cyclist. Since it's down to 1 lane, and I can't pass of course CDOT put the orange barrles blocking part of the lane we needed to drive on, so there wasn't much space.

Fuck 'em. I didn't slow down, I probably passed him with less than 2 feet of space. I always wondered how I'd feel if I accidentally hurt someone. Don't think it would have bothered me much if my mirror had hit his dumb ass. Powers is a very busy road so it's not to bright to be riding at 15 miles an hour.

[blackford76]

Just this afternoon I was on my way back home, getting on West bound 470 from Wadsworth, hit the gas pretty hard so I am up to speed to merge, look over my left shoulder to find a gap, the Wife yells at me, I look back forward to see some oxygen thief coming down the on ramp on his bicycle. Older guy, neon spandex, stupid aero helmet and all, giving ME the bird. Seriously, WTF??? At what point is it just natural selection?
Growing up I rode the hell out of my bike, I had a Mongoose all decked out, it cost twice as much as my first pickup, I did two BRAN rides, (bicycle ride across Nebraska), so I don't hate cyclists in general.
As to the original purpose of this thread, my folks live in Blackhawk, so I am there about once a week, I don't remember seeing cyclists. Maybe out on the hiway, but not around town. I don't suppose this new law would stand if challenged.

[iamhunter]

If they use the road, they should have to register/get tags etc and pay the fees like motorists.

I know your just trying to make a point, but really, you want the government to regulate BICYCLE riding?

I highly doubt it.

Cyclists may "annoy" you.

but the right to travel is just a RIGHT not a privelege, and cycling gives an a chance for people who don't want, or can't afford to subject themselves to government regulated "driving" a chance to get around.

Sure theres a whole lot of granola eating douchebags that abuse it,

but I don't think we should regulate activities around the douchebags.

[BigBear]

I know your just trying to make a point, but really, you want the government to regulate BICYCLE riding?

Relax friend, I was just making a point as suggested.

What I would like to see is all regulation gone on the roads and everyone driving super bumper cars! That would be fun.... [Beer]

[theGinsue]

but the right to travel is just a RIGHT not a privelege, and cycling gives an a chance for people who don't want, or can't afford to subject themselves to government regulated "driving" a chance to get around.

Sure theres a whole lot of granola eating douchebags that abuse it,

but I don't think we should regulate activities around the douchebags.

The problem with this thought process is that legislation/regualtion has been put into place which puts many cyclists into a bit of a protected class while ignoring the needs, safety, and interests of motorists. None of the existing legislation requires cyclists to extricate themselves from the flow of traffic if they are backing up traffic (for instance, c nCO already requires motorists to move over if they have a backup of 3 vehicles. Somehow this doesn't seem to apply to cyclists and if it does, they typically ignore the requirement).

[hollohas]

Fixed for ya.

Thank you for the correction. This I did not know. I remember when I took my MC class and read the MC license booklet from the DMV it said to never ride side-by-side. I thought I might have remembered this wrong so I pulled up the DMV study guide online. Sure enough, still says never ride side-by-side.

So, checked the Colorado Revised Statutes, 42-4-1503(4) says motorcycles can ride 2 abreast.

You'd think the DMV guide would actually be about the laws...that's what I get for assuming.

[cowboykjohnson]

Thank you for the correction. This I did not know. I remember when I took my MC class and read the MC license booklet from the DMV it said to never ride side-by-side. I thought I might have remembered this wrong so I pulled up the DMV study guide online. Sure enough, still says never ride side-by-side.

So, checked the Colorado Revised Statutes, 42-4-1503(4) says motorcycles can ride 2 abreast.

You'd think the DMV guide would actually be about the laws...that's what I get for assuming.
they think it is dangerous, and if you don't know how to ride it can be... they want you to ride off set, one to the left, one to the right, like 5 feet in front or behind.
But we have a 12ft wide lane not a 1 foot shoulder that we are supposed to be in.

[Ah Pook]

I've been on both sides of this on and have an equal disdain for two wheel and four wheel assholes.

The "keyboard tough guy" factor is high today. [Roll1]

[68Charger]

obviously this is a hot topic..
I'm with Mr. Pook..I've seen polite cyclists, and complete douchebags.. (just like I see both kinds of drivers daily)

If a cyclist is taking up too much of the lane and obstructing, they can expect to hear a polite tap of the horn either as I pass (so as not to surprise), or when I start to lose my patience.. Most cyclists will understand, and provide enough space for me to pass.. flip me the bird in response, and you probably won't stop hearing the horn until we're separated somehow.. I would never cause them physical harm, but if they won't respect, I won't either.. will pass them with the minimum space I need.. they assault me, and I'll defend myself, but I won't assault them.

I'm curious if you call the police & report them as a obstructing traffic, or violating other laws (riding 4 abreast, etc) would they ticket them? because they don't have license #s, you'd have to follow them until the police arrived... While I'm not for more gov't regulations, IF bicycles had license#s, then you could report the douchebags that give cyclists a bad rap..

When/where I grew up, bicycles did NOT get the same treatment as cars, for example, you could NOT get in the right side of the left turning lane & turn with traffic, cycles were treated as pedestrians.. I understand that's not the case in Colorado- which I'm not sure is a good idea (especially since they're not licensed like vehicles), I'm curious if anyone has studied which method of legislating cyclists is safer? It seems to me that Colorado's method leads to a lot of anger on both sides..
http://bicyclecolo.org/articles/colorado-statute-42-4-1412-pg45.htm

Note that cyclists violating these rules are subject to a class 2 misdemeanor traffic offense.. same as 'Reckless Driving', '25mph above speed limit', or 'Speed Contest' (racing).. except they can't suspend their driver's license.. punishable by jail term of 10 to 90 days and/or a fine of $10 to $300.
report them- that should really get their attention.. and if they keep it up, and keep getting reported, the system should start to see a pattern of repeated offenses, and increase the penalties. (hopefully)

if you're a cyclist, and see another violating the rules, let them know it's not cool, and report them if they continue.. you have to separate yourselves from the douchebags, or you may be included with them (guilt by association)

[Mtn.man]

I've been on both sides of this on and have an equal disdain for two wheel and four wheel assholes.

The "keyboard tough guy" factor is high today. [Roll1]


Guaranteeeeeedddddd MY key board can kick your keyboards ASSS[ROFL1]

[TS12000]

Guaranteeeeeedddddd MY key board can kick your keyboards ASSS[ROFL1]

WHAT! It's on you punks

[Beer]