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theGinsue
06-10-2010, 18:44
I'm sure that you have all heard that Muslims have been approved to build a mosque on/adjacent to the ruins of the World Trade Center, - Ground Zero.
Here's an interesting video on this subject:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxFzFIDbKpg
Discuss!
GreenScoutII
06-10-2010, 18:49
I'm gonna keep my mouth shut. I don't have anything nice to say, so I'm not going to say anything at all.
StagLefty
06-10-2010, 18:58
Interesting viewpoint-I guess I'm still waiting to see if this whole concept gets approved by the powers that be. Thanks for the link. [Beer]
Interestingly, the Statue of Liberty and New York skyline photoshops both predate 9/11 by about 5 years and were part of a series of (not very good) photoshops showing major cities and landmarks all around the world with minarets and camels all over the place.
Waiting for the video to load, but I dig the title.
Its bull sh!t. I hope we as Americans do not let this happen! Lieing sacks of sh!t saying they are doing it in honor. If that was the case they would do what ever they could to stop practicing that faith in or around that area maybe the whole US. This pisses me off
Daniel_187
06-10-2010, 20:03
we are getting as bad a Europe with kissing Musslems ass's
It's their right to practice their religion wherever they want folks, while it may be a huge "fuck you" to everyone around, it's protected. Remember you have rights you don't want infringed on and taking away other peoples rights is a slippery slope which ends when you start losing the ones you treasure.
palepainter
06-10-2010, 21:26
As much as I do not like it either, I am feel the same as TS. It will be litmus paper for tolerance in NYC. It may not be open long.
It's their right to practice their religion wherever they want folks, while it may be a huge "fuck you" to everyone around, it's protected. Remember you have rights you don't want infringed on and taking away other peoples rights is a slippery slope which ends when you start losing the ones you treasure.
Rights are responsibilities, too. I've got the right to freedom of speech but that comes with the responsibility to be considerate rather than a selfish asshat. Likewise, Muslims have the right to freedom of worship but that comes with the responsibility to be considerate (in this case, to the innocent victims of Muslim extremists) rather than selfish asshats...
I'm all for it, their right, their financials, their "win."
So...I strongly suggest as soon as the site opens;
An offensively large porn and live sex show establishment is built 5' larger in sq footage just to the South of "their building," an ornate Synagouge 10' square feet larger is approved and built to the West of "their building" and to the East...what else? A 60-story NYC "wonder-tower" that's top-to-bottom one big-ass pork BBQ joint next to "their building."
DD977GM2
06-10-2010, 21:53
Unfortunatly he is 100% correct. I hate the idea that those fuckers are going to be able to do that, but TS12000 is correct, they have protected rights just as we have and we are all fucking irrate when our rights are infringed upon.
Dont get me wrong, I fucking hate the thought those fuckers are able to do this.
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It's their right to practice their religion wherever they want folks, while it may be a huge "fuck you" to everyone around, it's protected. Remember you have rights you don't want infringed on and taking away other peoples rights is a slippery slope which ends when you start losing the ones you treasure.
jason303
06-10-2010, 21:56
I'm all for it, their right, their financials, their "win."
So...I strongly suggest as soon as the site opens;
An offensively large porn and live sex show establishment is built 5' larger in sq footage just to the South of "their building," an ornate Synagouge 10' square feet larger is approved and built to the West of "their building" and to the East...what else? A 60-story NYC "wonder-tower" that's top-to-bottom one big-ass pork BBQ joint next to "their building."
How insensitive!
Rights are responsibilities, too. I've got the right to freedom of speech but that comes with the responsibility to be considerate rather than a selfish asshat. Likewise, Muslims have the right to freedom of worship but that comes with the responsibility to be considerate (in this case, to the innocent victims of Muslim extremists) rather than selfish asshats...
I couldn't agree more that some common decency and consideration of others feelings (especially in a place like that) would be the best solution but it is what it is and with the good sometimes comes the asshats
theGinsue
06-10-2010, 22:27
I'm all for it, their right, their financials, their "win."
So...I strongly suggest as soon as the site opens;
An offensively large porn and live sex show establishment is built 5' larger in sq footage just to the South of "their building," an ornate Synagouge 10' square feet larger is approved and built to the West of "their building" and to the East...what else? A 60-story NYC "wonder-tower" that's top-to-bottom one big-ass pork BBQ joint next to "their building."
How insensitive!
Do ya think? Good! I think it's a little short-sighted. I think having both a hot dog cart and a pork rib cart immediately out front should be added to the list - with a couple of park benches where folks can sit and eat their food.
like the guy in the vid says, historically muslims have always built mosques in lands they conquer.
like the guy in the vid says, historically muslims have always built mosques in lands they conquer.
Religious people (of whatever sort) build churches/mosques/synagogues/Christian Science Reading Rooms where they live. Duh.
Religious people (of whatever sort) build churches/mosques/synagogues/Christian Science Reading Rooms where they live. Duh.
Are you saying there are a lot of muslims that live in the area of the WTC? Enough to accomdate the massive seven story mosque? OK, whatever floats yer boat.
I hope the new mosque becomes the most vandalized location east of the pecos.
I also hope they build a mosque on your block, so you can be awakened by the call to prayer at dawn every day.
jason303
06-11-2010, 13:40
Religious people (of whatever sort) build churches/mosques/synagogues/Christian Science Reading Rooms where they live. Duh.
And especially where they get the most bragging rights.
Are you saying there are a lot of muslims that live in the area of the WTC? Enough to accomdate the massive seven story mosque? OK, whatever floats yer boat.
I hope the new mosque becomes the most vandalized location east of the pecos.
I also hope they build a mosque on your block, so you can be awakened by the call to prayer at dawn every day.
They're building it in south Manhattan because there is a large Muslim population there that doesn't have a mosque nearby to serve them. Well that's what they're saying anyway, but of course we all know (because we saw it on youtube) that all Muslims lie about everything, all the time. In reality, this is a $100 million 'fuck you' to the United States. Never mind that they could buy lots and lots of guns and explosives and flying lessons with $100 million, turning a derelict building that's already been in use as an overflow mosque for months into a permanent site, well, that's a much more effective use of the money.
Oh yeah, and have you ever been to New York? You think a call to prayer is going to be the loudest noise at dawn? Whatever floats your boat :D
I also hope they build a mosque on your block, so you can be awakened by the call to prayer at dawn every day.
Been there, done that. Our local unfriendlies used to like to punctuate the end of the late afternoon call to prayer with 2 mortar rounds timed perfectly as the muezzin finished.
That experience did not lead me to make snap judgments about any other interaction with Muslims, though. Your emotions are leading you around by the nose here.
I encourage y'all to go to www.gotquestions.org (http://www.gotquestions.org) and inquire about some of these thoughts you have on Muslim activities/beliefs etc in regard to the Qua'ran, Torrah, Bible, etc....
Specifically for this thread: http://www.gotquestions.org/Muslim-questions.html
Yes, this is a Christian oriented website. Yes, I'm sure you can find some faults. Do your research. Blah, blah, every other disclaimer here...
Just in case it needs to be said again, Islam is at war with the rest of the non-islam world. You wont win a war by letting the enemy in and giving them the platform to defeat you. They moved into Africa and Europe and since they are close to victory they have expanded into north and South America.
This is the same thing the commies, marxist, socialists have done to America for the past century and it is very effective. They have a large part of our schools and universities on board and our youth have largely fallen to their ideals. Their ideals are so deep into socity now we have a president and a large # of represenitives in DC that live by their teachings. We have many popular stars praising these world leaders and displaying their images in moves and popular culture.
You can deney whats happening but that does not make it go away and our constitution makes it easy for this to happen, its up to us as individuals to make sure they are not welcome and we take the action necessary to save the freedom that allowed them in that they wish to take away.
We need to use their tatics and stand in the way of workers so they cant build it, use every EPA loop to delay it, dump pig blood in and on anyone coming and leaving the location and if all else fails burn that mosque to the ground.
In order to uphold The Constitution we need to protect it.
HBARleatherneck
06-11-2010, 14:54
thier tactics? great now i have to find a vest and a very dull knife
have we have been infiltrated?
thier tactics? great now i have to find a vest and a very dull knife
have we have been infiltrated?
I believe I explained both above but maybe it was clear to me only.
Tactics of the left, burn down new developments and bomb infastructure in the name of protecting the enviroment. Dump blood and paint on people becuase they wear animal products. Block construction with force or legal challanges.
I was not refering to the Islam tactics of killing people for not belonging to their belief system and blowing up streets of people at wedding's, but you can go for that if you want, free will and all.
I assume you ment How have we been infiltrated: I cant explain that any more then I have already, schools, culture, politics, etc.
Been there, done that. Our local unfriendlies used to like to punctuate the end of the late afternoon call to prayer with 2 mortar rounds timed perfectly as the muezzin finished.
That experience did not lead me to make snap judgments about any other interaction with Muslims, though. Your emotions are leading you around by the nose here.
I disagree with your viewpoint, so now all my opinions are "snap judgments"?
Your naivete and political correctness are leading you around by your nose.
I disagree with your viewpoint, so now all my opinions are "snap judgments"?
Your naivete and political correctness are leading you around by your nose.
I didn't say anything about all your opinions, only this one. I dealt with those horrible nasty terrble Muslims for 7 1/2 years, so I hardly think naivete would describe my outlook on them.
You say I am politically correct. I personally don't care if they get to build a mosque or not. But I ask you as an apparent red-blooded American, are you in favor of persecution of others for their religious beliefs? Does the irony not strike you as rich? So much for the Constitution, I guess. Too many people think that it should apply to them, but not to others. I haven't even addressed the idea of treating a billion and half or two billion people as some sort of coherent whole with a single overriding aim and description. The idea is ludicrous. That said, they often have no idea how varied we are in our opinions and political theories, either. It was kind of funny how often I had to debunk some silly semi-conspiracist idea they floated to me as "how Americans think" and how it is in the US / West. That's something you've got in common.
rockhound
06-11-2010, 22:10
The problem I see with muslims and being "at war with islam" is that they do not subscribe to the same ideals of warfare.
They targeted a clearly civilian target with no regard to the women and children etc.
We try our best (not always successful) to eliminate any civilian casualties and fight them as though they are a military power. This will be our undoing. We need to learn to fight the enemy as the enemy wants to fight us. Ii am not advocating killing civilians, but trying to tippy toe around everyhere has made us weaker and less effective in everything we have done militarily since Vietnam. Our forefathers would be spinning in their graves if they saw how we run a military operation these days.
The only thing they respect is power and we need to finally show them that we mean business.
Do I have a problem with being politically correct? You are damn right I do, political correctness will be the death of this country, no civilization has ever survived without a common language, goals and for the most part religion, Yes i understand that we are supposed to tolerate all religions, but that doesn't mean that a toxic religion such as islam should be tolerated.
They have no interest in being islamic us citizens. They will not tolerate your religion. When their numbers are strong enough they will snuff you and your kids and your country out.
If you don't think allowing "differing religions and different culture permeate our country is dangerous you are sadly mistaken. Two examples are Phoenix, AZ, more mosques per square mile than any other city in the nation and a severe illegal alien problem. Now they are the kidnapping capital of the nation if not the world, the mexican drug cartels are rampant.
Paris, France, a boat load of muslims, last count was 5 million I believe. Their lifestyle and their country are already dead they just don't know it yet. They print one cartoon and the city burned for three weeks cause they pissed off the muslims.
If you think something like that couldn't happen in Phoenix you are again sadly mistaken. It is about time we get our heads out of the sand and stop trying to make everyone feel good.
We have politically corrected ourselves into the biggest recession in history, 10 million americans out of work and we have 20 million illegals working and not paying taxes and taking free everything. How f...ed up is that. We don't know how to get Americans back to work??? Get rid of illegal labor and a boat load of Americans will go back to work.
I have to pay thousands of dollars out of my pocket to get my kids the school supplies and health care they need, but if was a mexican, whoa buddy here it is for free,
take your political correctness and shove it where the sun don't shine, my ancestors are buried all over the south fighting for human rights and equality for those who deserved it, that doesn't mean that we have to wet nurse the entire worlds population inside our borders. And they damn sure didn't die so that we turn into a bunch of wusses and let the world run all over us.
If you are not willing to stand up for your flag and stand up for what is good and honest and right then you are part of the problem. [Rant2]
sorry for one of my first posts to be such a rant, but man this thread pushed a lot of my buttons.
on a side note: Oklahoma passed a similar bill to the AZ immigration law in 2007, my father happened to be in the state at the time the bill went into law. The flood of illegals leaving was incredible. Fast forward to January 2010 and OK has one of the lowest unemployment rates in the nation, nearly 1/2 the unemployment of states like CA who just can't believe they would do something like that. http://www.ok.gov/oesc_web/documents/lmiusuejan10.pdf
hockeyjedi
06-11-2010, 22:50
The problem I see with muslims and being "at war with islam" is that they do not subscribe to the same ideals of warfare.
They targeted a clearly civilian target with no regard to the women and children etc.
We try our best (not always successful) to eliminate any civilian casualties and fight them as though they are a military power. This will be our undoing. We need to learn to fight the enemy as the enemy wants to fight us. Ii am not advocating killing civilians, but trying to tippy toe around everyhere has made us weaker and less effective in everything we have done militarily since Vietnam. Our forefathers would be spinning in their graves if they saw how we run a military operation these days.
The only thing they respect is power and we need to finally show them that we mean business.
Do I have a problem with being politically correct? You are damn right I do, political correctness will be the death of this country, no civilization has ever survived without a common language, goals and for the most part religion, Yes i understand that we are supposed to tolerate all religions, but that doesn't mean that a toxic religion such as islam should be tolerated.
They have no interest in being islamic us citizens. They will not tolerate your religion. When their numbers are strong enough they will snuff you and your kids and your country out.
If you don't think allowing "differing religions and different culture permeate our country is dangerous you are sadly mistaken. Two examples are Phoenix, AZ, more mosques per square mile than any other city in the nation and a severe illegal alien problem. Now they are the kidnapping capital of the nation if not the world, the mexican drug cartels are rampant.
Paris, France, a boat load of muslims, last count was 5 million I believe. Their lifestyle and their country are already dead they just don't know it yet. They print one cartoon and the city burned for three weeks cause they pissed off the muslims.
If you think something like that couldn't happen in Phoenix you are again sadly mistaken. It is about time we get our heads out of the sand and stop trying to make everyone feel good.
We have politically corrected ourselves into the biggest recession in history, 10 million americans out of work and we have 20 million illegals working and not paying taxes and taking free everything. How f...ed up is that. We don't know how to get Americans back to work??? Get rid of illegal labor and a boat load of Americans will go back to work.
I have to pay thousands of dollars out of my pocket to get my kids the school supplies and health care they need, but if was a mexican, whoa buddy here it is for free,
take your political correctness and shove it where the sun don't shine, my ancestors are buried all over the south fighting for human rights and equality for those who deserved it, that doesn't mean that we have to wet nurse the entire worlds population inside our borders. And they damn sure didn't die so that we turn into a bunch of wusses and let the world run all over us.
If you are not willing to stand up for your flag and stand up for what is good and honest and right then you are part of the problem. [Rant2]
sorry for one of my first posts to be such a rant, but man this thread pushed a lot of my buttons.
on a side note: Oklahoma passed a similar bill to the AZ immigration law in 2007, my father happened to be in the state at the time the bill went into law. The flood of illegals leaving was incredible. Fast forward to January 2010 and OK has one of the lowest unemployment rates in the nation, nearly 1/2 the unemployment of states like CA who just can't believe they would do something like that. http://www.ok.gov/oesc_web/documents/lmiusuejan10.pdf
Yeah Buddy [Beer]
palepainter
06-12-2010, 08:33
take your political correctness and shove it where the sun don't shine, my ancestors are buried all over the south fighting for human rights and equality for those who deserved it, that doesn't mean that we have to wet nurse the entire worlds population inside our borders. And they damn sure didn't die so that we turn into a bunch of wusses and let the world run all over us.
If you are not willing to stand up for your flag and stand up for what is good and honest and right then you are part of the problem. [Rant2]
WELL SAID!! [M2]
HBARleatherneck
06-12-2010, 09:03
the problem is Americans dont understand and dont want to understand islam. they base their religious beliefs on non-violent religions(at least at present) budhism, hinduism, Judaism, Christianity these religions make Americans think that we can coexist. But the exception is islam. the religion is based on non coexistance. while some members dont actively kill non members, this is fundamental teaching, and the radicalization of islam is moving forward quickly. it is not being tempered by the supposedly not extremist ones. which means in the future, much more of the muslims will be extreme. and since Americans wont breed, and muslims are required to breed, we will lose the demographic battle. dont lose your head.
right on, rockhound.
Also, bring back Arrested Development!
hey if RobertB wants to act like he's ghandi, that's fine. he wants to look down his nose at me for not being more tolerant like him, that's fine too. he'd be A-OK with a minaret on his block, a saint he is.
would islam ever, in the name of peace and brotherhood, allow a christian church to be built in mecca? fuck no, you can't even get near the place if you're not muslim.
building a mosque near ground zero is like NAMBLA setting up an office across the street from an elementary school.
its like the U.S. building a nuke depot in hiroshima.
it'd be like japanese tourists riding sea doos over the USS Arizona
it is inappropriate and disrespectful, and they know it. that's why they're doing it.
I'm not advocating the outlaw of islam in New York, or the U.S., or the revocation of freedom of religion.
I'm just suggesting they show a little God damned respect and common sense.
I watched sin city yesterday, it has an intersting quote:
Power don't come from a badge or a gun. Power comes from lying. Lying big, and gettin' the whole damn world to play along with you. Once you got everybody agreeing with what they know in their hearts ain't true, you've got e'm by the balls.
as long people delude themselves into thinking that we somehow need to take the high road, that we can't "stoop to their level" or else we'll "be no better than the terrorists" we are doomed to failure.
after reading this thread, it makes me happy to know that some folks out there aren't completely oblivious or worse willfully ignorant to what's going on.
Fuck ALL Muslims. The only good muslim is a dead muslim.......
theGinsue
06-12-2010, 19:42
Yeah Buddy [Beer]
WELL SAID!! [M2]
right on, rockhound.
You know rockhound - a post like that right out of the gate..... You're gonna fit in here very well. I especially like the fact that you kept your language clean; firm, but clean! Well done.
hey if RobertB wants to act like he's ghandi, that's fine. he wants to look down his nose at me for not being more tolerant like him, that's fine too. he'd be A-OK with a minaret on his block, a saint he is.
would islam ever, in the name of peace and brotherhood, allow a christian church to be built in mecca? fuck no, you can't even get near the place if you're not muslim.
building a mosque near ground zero is like NAMBLA setting up an office across the street from an elementary school.
its like the U.S. building a nuke depot in hiroshima.
it'd be like japanese tourists riding sea doos over the USS Arizona
it is inappropriate and disrespectful, and they know it. that's why they're doing it.
I'm not advocating the outlaw of islam in New York, or the U.S., or the revocation of freedom of religion.
I'm just suggesting they show a little God damned respect and common sense.
I watched sin city yesterday, it has an intersting quote:
Power don't come from a badge or a gun. Power comes from lying. Lying big, and gettin' the whole damn world to play along with you. Once you got everybody agreeing with what they know in their hearts ain't true, you've got e'm by the balls.
as long people delude themselves into thinking that we somehow need to take the high road, that we can't "stoop to their level" or else we'll "be no better than the terrorists" we are doomed to failure.
after reading this thread, it makes me happy to know that some folks out there aren't completely oblivious or worse willfully ignorant to what's going on.
I agree with what you're daying, but the way you said it - you had me ROLLING! (Especially the NAMBLA comment!)
Good interaction folks. Let's just make sure we keep the focus of our hostilities off of other site members. I may not always agree with the opinions of everyone here, but I'm always willing to listen to what you have to say.
hey if RobertB wants to act like he's ghandi, that's fine. he wants to look down his nose at me for not being more tolerant like him, that's fine too. he'd be A-OK with a minaret on his block, a saint he is.
[snip]
as long people delude themselves into thinking that we somehow need to take the high road, that we can't "stoop to their level" or else we'll "be no better than the terrorists" we are doomed to failure.
after reading this thread, it makes me happy to know that some folks out there aren't completely oblivious or worse willfully ignorant to what's going on.
You're completely recasting what I said. I don't support the idea of building a mosque there at all. No, it's not respectful or particularly good manners, but we don't legislate that. I did say we have rules governing our country, and as much as you may find that inconvenient, they're designed to protect you, too. Again, why don't you head on over to places where there's no free speech and no freedom of religion and see how you like it. (You alluded to not being able to put a Christian church in Mecca, so I assume you wouldn't much like it.)
I also didn't say anything about being better than the terrorists or taking the high road. I don't associate Islam with terrorism. Islamic terrorists are a very small minority, but like all other crazy extremists, they are very vocal. Moderates of any stripe tend to just go about their lives, while extremists develop causes and cause trouble. We'd be much better off without bigots and extremists on both sides. I'd say we'd be better off without religion as a cause to rally behind, but to be honest we'd just find another reason to pick sides, establish an us vs. them, and hate them. It's humanity's sad lot, it seems.
rockhound
06-14-2010, 09:47
I am neither a bigot nor an extremist, I have hired and fired and been friends with many minorities in all of my businesses and my personal life.
The truth of the matter is I recognize a threat when I see it. I don't buy into the theory that most muslims are peaceful. If they were they would have taken care of the extremists in their ranks on their own. I believe the muslims that claim to be civil are only civil until their numbers grow and they feel the strength of those numbers. Paris is a perfect example. Those so called mainstream, peaceful muslims showed their true colors.
I believe they practice passive aggression, when their numbers are greater than our they will turn on you.
As for the illegal aliens, they are the same way. I know many mexicans who are american citizens, they dislike the illegals even more than we do. They recognize the threat and are pi...d off because they struggled to do the right thing. The illegals fully believe they have a right to regain their stolen lands and that they belong here. There is a chain mexican restaurant here in Colorado called Fiesta Jalisco, I do not know if the same oil painting is in every one of their restaurants, but in at least one (silverthorne) there is a giant oil painting in the front entry for their mexican clientele to read "Este es su tiera" in giant red letters. For those of you who cannot speak spanish it translates THIS IS YOUR COUNTRY.
I don't eat there any more. Probably because I am a bigot.... whatever.
Aside from the kidnappings, drugs, and murders that are occurring on a daily basis they are a financial threat. As a self employed person who has had to pay my own health insurance for the last 20 years I can tell you they are a financial threat. Their are so many babies born to illegals in the state of Colorado, the insurance companies will no longer provide maternity care to anyone who is not in a large group plan. The cost of covering the births to illegals has driven the cost up for those with insurance. The insurance companies will no longer cover it. I know I went through it. We had let our maternity coverage lapse because we thought we were done having kids. It was no longer available when we needed it. I have at least two other friends who found out the same thing when they tried to get it.
On another note: they interviewed the border patrol on KHOW last year. The captain they spoke with stated that they only catch 1 of 10 and that 7 of the ten they do catch have a serious criminal record in mexico. Rape, assault, bank robbery, murder, these are not just hard workers looking for better life. I have a mexican american client right now looking for a home to purchase. He is very scared of the illegals, he has family back in mexico still and they are all very aware of who is coming here. I figured that he would not be for the illegals coming over, but I did not expect to hear him tell of the danger they bring so candidly in our conversations.
One of my clients is friends with Phillipe Calderon the president of Mexico. He is also a mexican business man who contributes a lot to the community of Summit County where he owns some property. He is happy that Calderon has taken on the drug lords in his country, a fight that has cost the lives of nearly 23,000 people since 2007. He is dismayed at Calderon's apparent disregard for the wave of illegal immigration into our country. It is affecting mexico in the opposite fashion. Where we have too many here working. They have a severe shortage of you strong men to build their own homes and buildings. There are villages all over Mexico that do not have labor for their crops and construction.
I owned a home remodeling company for 12 years. I am here to tell you that the illegal aliens are a threat to American craftsmen. I got out cause i saw the tide coming and went back to a previous career path. I was lucky, i know plenty of contractors that went belly up cause they would not hire illegal labor. When i got out the cost for worker's comp for my employees was 38%, yeah 38 cents on the dollar went to worker's comp. Those companies that hire illegal labor are saving 38% on their overhead for labor, not to mention the savings for unemployment (25%), federal withholding tax (17%). The bill for a $36,000 year employeee cost me $64,800.00.
No way a straight up contractor can compete. For those of you that have hired illegal labor to save the costs SHAME ON YOU. If you think your house cost less cause an illegal built it and saved you all that money, you are sadly mistaken. The general just put it in his pockets. This is a threat to our lives and the lives of the illegals, believe it.
Trying to get along with everyone will not do any of us any good. If you are mexican or muslim, I don't have an issue with you personally, come here legally, learn the language, stop using our schools resources to cater to the fact that you can't speak the language, I pay for my kids to learn so should you. Stop using our constitution against us and pay for your birth in your own country, go home and build you own future. If you are muslim, stand up for what is right. If you truly denounce the use of violence then start acting like it. Shut down the extremists in your ranks and call them to justice for their crimes.
Being afraid for your country's future and being willing to do something to protect it does not make you a bigot or a racist or an extremist. IMHO we need to start being a bit more vocal or our way of life will come to a screeching halt. I am raising four future Americans and I am afraid of what lies ahead for them.
Aside from you constantly and confusingly conflating Islam with illegal immigration from Mexico, the riots in Paris that you talk about (presumably you mean the 2005 riots) were nothing to do with Islam or the Danish Muhammad cartoon.
Jumpstart
06-14-2010, 10:56
+1 rockhound. Thanks for sharing.
rockhound
06-14-2010, 20:44
Aside from you constantly and confusingly conflating Islam with illegal immigration from Mexico, the riots in Paris that you talk about (presumably you mean the 2005 riots) were nothing to do with Islam or the Danish Muhammad cartoon.
Sorry yes to be fair I have a fact or two confused.
It was the danes and the lybians who saw riots over a cartoon and it was paris who saw riots in 2005 because three dirtbags running from the cops tried to hide in an electrical equipment building and got themselves fried because they breaking into a construction site to steal. And then paris again for three weeks of riots in 2009 for another dirtbag who was killed running from police.
The muslims riot so often I have a hard time keeping up.
Don't see where that eliminates my point.
I draw the similarities between illegals and muslims because I see them as one and the same when it comes to the damage they can and are doing to our democrastic societies.
The influx of both is dangerous and has and will lead to violence. I think they are very closely related.
Well the rioters in Paris were French youth rather than Muslims. It wasn't a riot about religion, it was a riot about racism, unemployment, police brutality, stuff like that. Paris is a great city, but outside the peripherique parts of it resemble Detroit.
Actually, you might like some of the laws that the French have enacted. The burqa is banned in French schools. Sarkozy has said the burqa is unwelcome in France. Their attitude is that if you live in France, you assimilate. Lots of European countries are moving in the same direction. The UK is about to enact laws regarding being able to speak English before you're able to immigrate as the spouse of a British citizen. And once you have immigrated, you have two years to pass a test on 'Englishness' or your visa is revoked.
As for the comparison between illegal immigration and Islam, your point about Phoenix and the mosques makes as much sense to me as saying there are so many Cuban illegals in Miami because of all the synagogues in south Florida.
Jumpstart
06-14-2010, 21:10
I draw the similarities between illegals and muslims because I see them as one and the same when it comes to the damage they can and are doing to our democrastic societies.
The influx of both is dangerous and has and will lead to violence. I think they are very closely related.
My sentiments exactly.
The hound has this thread on lock down.[Beer]
rockhound
06-14-2010, 22:28
dammit i posted twice now a six paragraph response to this stupid argument, both times it disappeared.
i don't have the time to do it again. i will try again tomorrow.
illegal immigrants opposed to the new law in AZ scream that its about racisim. It's not, and they know it. racism is just a red herring.
people say this moqsue is about religious freedom. it's not, and they know it. that's just a red herring too.
if a jewish extremist group had carried out 9/11, and was now trying to build a synagogue, then I'd feel the same way.
but for some reason, all these terrorist attacks have been carried out by muslims......... a gigantic coincidence?
only those blind to reality think so.
rockhound
06-15-2010, 00:10
the short version.
left leaning newspapers defended the riots stating that the youths involved were not illegal immigrants the were " second generation immigrants" So they were the sons of illegal immigrants??? same same if you ask me.
quote "most of the rioters were second generation immigrant youths" nowhere did they deny that they were muslim. There were subsequent riots that were not necessarily muslim lead.
The fact is that the lower quality of life and the joblessness that they claims they were protesting could be stemmed if they learn the language and become more a part of the mainstream society in any culture. You would be surprised how many more jobs you would have if you were a legal immigrant and spoke the language. Hiding out in your own subculture will not get you ahead or provide positive stimulus to the country.
I grew up in Florida, I lived there for 15 years, the Cubans were political refugees fleeing a murderous, communist dictatorship. I spent lots of time in Miami, FT Lauderdale, Jupiter and many other cities the Cubans landed in. They are or at least were hard working, business owners that are not looking for handouts and they created jobs for themselves. They took pride in being here and paid their taxes. Just like Obama who has no idea what it is like in AZ, it has been a while since I was in Miami, but that was what I found while there.
A quick google search will bring up the problems with illegal muslim immigration all over the globe. just the first page outlines problems in Spain, Sweden, Britain and the United States. If the rest of the world can see the issue why can't some US citizens????
I am done with this argument. The proof is in the pudding and there are reams of evidence printed everyday. They may not have a German tank pointed in your direction, but the invasion is just as serious and could be just as effective.
Our military helped ensure that we still speak english here and not German or Japanese, I have no intention of bowing toward mecca or speaking anymore Spanish than I already do.
You don't have to agree with anything or stand up for your country. There have always been those who are willing to do it for you and I guess this won't be any different.
I am done with this thread, thanks
HBARleatherneck
06-15-2010, 05:40
so, did anyone see the article about how muslims were infiltrating American forums? (such as this one)
It is their idea, that they can make up a screen name, sound American and sew discontent. They act like they are on our side, but are trying to make Americans mad at their government and stick up for muslims world wide.
It's a huge f*ck you to any of us who truely love this land. The thought of putting a stop to it because it's out of line just makes me sick and I think that it's time we draw the line on these f*ck5!!! I've freaking had it with the PC bu!!sh!t that goes on; how much do we give up to please everybody before all is lost???? If some asshole ran your kid over to spite you would it be a non issue if he decided to open a driving school up next your house? Grow some balls people, this shit is wrong!!!!
so, did anyone see the article about how muslims were infiltrating American forums? (such as this one)
It is their idea, that they can make up a screen name, sound American and sew discontent. They act like they are on our side, but are trying to make Americans mad at their government and stick up for muslims world wide.
[ROFL1]
"While I cannot take the time to name all the men on this forum who have been named as members of the Muslim Party and members of a terrorist group, I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were known to the government and who, nevertheless, are still working and shaping policy on the innernets."
HBARleatherneck
06-15-2010, 07:36
dont make me go all McCarthy on someone!!!
what nobody else thought that was funny?....................tough crowd.
theGinsue
06-16-2010, 00:32
[ROFL1]
"While I cannot take the time to name all the men on this forum who have been named as members of the Muslim Party and members of a terrorist group, I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were known to the government and who, nevertheless, are still working and shaping policy on the innernets."
dont make me go all McCarthy on someone!!!
what nobody else thought that was funny?....................tough crowd.
Personally, I loved both of those comments!
Did you all hear about this in the UK?
Muslim Activists Interupt UK Soldiers Homecoming
Souce: http://www.digtriad.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=143782&catid=175
London, UK -- Muslim protesters and far-Right groups fought in East London during a homecoming parade of soldiers returning from duty in Afghanistan.
Members of the group Muslims Against Crusades turned up to greet the parade waving anti-British posters and shouting at the soldiers, calling them butchers and cowards.
A group of far-Right activists, some from the English Defence League stood across the street hurling insults at the Muslim protesters.
The Muslim protesters, many dressed in black and waving black flags, carried posters reading "Shariah law will be in London before democracy will be in Afghanistan." Singing nationalist chants, the English Defence League called the Muslim protesters "scum".
Police had to separate the two sides and hold the Muslim protesters behind barricades but scuffles broke out and two men were arrested.
More than 200 members of the 1st Battalion of the the Royal Anglian Regiment were being welcomed home during the "Freedom March". Several thousand lined the streets to greet them.
Local people were incensed that the Muslim protest had been allowed to go ahead.
"Why are they in this country if they don't like us? They hate our boys and we love our boys," said one woman referring to the returning soldiers.
"Why are they protected? We're not protected but they are," she complained of the police protection of the Muslim protest.
"I think what they were saying was absolutely disgraceful. They were talking about murderers, all sorts of wrong things and they were stirring up hate," said one elderly man.
Local politicians had asked Home Secretary Theresa May to ban Muslims Against Crusades from protesting at the event fearing violence.
CBS
DD977GM2
06-16-2010, 00:55
Not all muslims are terrorists........ALL terrorists are Muslims [Rant1][Rant1]
The IRA/UDF, Basques, several groups in countries from Mexico on down through Colombia / Peru, and across Asia who will be surprised to learn they've all just been converted.
very interesting info on the choice given to the world by islam.
convert or die.
watch the whole thing
http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/208297/CAIR-Caught-Selling-Jihadist-Anti-Judeo-Christian-Books-to-Public.html
very interesting info on the choice given to the world by islam.
convert or die.
watch the whole thing
http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/208297/CAIR-Caught-Selling-Jihadist-Anti-Judeo-Christian-Books-to-Public.html
Doesn't display...must be server terrorists
Doesn't display...must be server terrorists\
gee, they removed it. go figure.
well it's still on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3YVv4ewdCk
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