American Militias - A British Perspective

[Bailey Guns]

Pretty interesting piece and fairly even handed...especially for being written by a Brit.

Read it HERE (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7944563/The-truth-behind-Americas-civilian-militias.html).

[mx'r]

interesting indeed.

[Ranger]

Interesting read, but that Cochran is a kook.

[Irving]

I won't delve into the "right" way of going about things on public forums. I'd suggest a comparison of Mohandas Karamchand Ghandi over "Johnny Stereotypical Camouflage Southern Redneck Rebel Cochran"




I know that you are sensitive about what gets posted on this forum, but why not go into the "right" way to do it? Seems like educating people so they can do it right is a good plan. I'd probably be way more of a mallninja if it weren't for people on forums always pointing out the ills of Mallninjadom.

[Bailey Guns]

The guy is definitely a kook...no doubt about it. But the piece was well written and fair. In my opinion, the author never indicated he felt the militia members depicted were representative of the average gun owner in America. And I don't think that was the point of the story at all.

And I thought that was a pretty positive aspect of the piece.

[mikedubs]

A part in the piece talks about militias being ready for the post apocalyptic scenario...I kind of have a sinking feeling that this guy and his ilk are the ones that will be raiding towns for supplies just b/c they can.

[Elhuero]

ghandi was a champion of passive agressive. he got shot to death.

taking a punch and letting the other guy get demonized doesn't work when the other guy is the government.

which is why we have the second amendment.

guess what'll happen if someone tries to do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Qx0cTze0M

at my home.

[Elhuero]

India is a gigantic shithole with a backwards culture.

I also find it ironically funny that it pisses you off because I refuse to be passive aggressive.

Don't vent your annoyance at a militia goomba in some article at me. You're exasperating yourself with hypotheticals.

I'm not in a militia and I'm not defending their point of view.

What I'm saying is very simple and straightfoward: if some guys (hypothetically) from the california highway patrol show up and want to take away my firearms and remove me from my home, I will not allow it.

Why?

Ever see the departed?

"When I was your age they would say we can become cops, or criminals. Today, what I'm saying to you is this: when you're facing a loaded gun, what's the difference?"

[hip55]

I agree with the militia dude on a few counts based on -

The 2nd amendment- it protects all of the constitution and it's amendments.

As far as the health care issue and his take on it, if a US citizen refuses to participate in the gov't imposed program which the citizen must pay for involuntarily, and then is fined by the feds, this is a blatant violation of the 6th amendment of the constitution which states '

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

The article is slanted big time, with an intent to show just how dangerous armed americans are and to further uphold the firearms confiscations and controls imposed upon the british public.

[jake]

The article is slanted big time, with an intent to show just how dangerous armed americans are and to further uphold the firearms confiscations and controls imposed upon the british public.
There's not really any groundswell of opinion in the UK to repeal the current firearms laws that needs to be kept under control, to be honest. Most Britons have no interest in owning firearms for hunting, self defense or overthrowing the government. People who would like to see the laws moving further towards ours are so small in number that they can effectively be ignored rather than attacked via the media. Anyone who owns a firearm in the UK who isn't a farmer or gamekeeper is essentially looked on as a bit of a weirdo by anyone who knows that he owns them.

I wouldn't say that the article is slanted 'big time,' but it's definitely intended at least in part to confirm the prejudice that the rest of the world holds about Americans and guns. But would you want to read an article about how British dentistry is just as advanced as American dentistry and most people in the UK have perfectly healthy teeth? [Tooth]

[Ranger]

I suppose I'm in the middle as far as the ongoing debate about this ass clown Cochran. He's the typical kind of "militia" (what a loose term for this guy) that does give gun owners a bad name but also helps perpetuate the mindset that "militia" means "anti government kook whackjob that plays Army in the woods". IF he is really ex Military then I respect him for his service but he fell off the truck somewhere and seriously bumped his head.

I know there are "militia" in the country that are not of the same mindset as this weirdo. The terms means to them simply that they feel strongly that if the government were to become tyrannical that they would be prepared to fight for what they believe in. They aren't dressing up in woodlands on the weekends, donning their face paint and "mil-spec" gear and planning guerrilla tactics against the best trained military in the world. They probably HAVE that "mil-spec" gear and fatigues but to them it's more of a means to survive in the wilderness than it is anything else. I know this because I know several of BOTH types of guys.

Most of the nut jobs like Cochran that served in the military seem to be former support guys (in the rear with the gear) who were A) low ranked, B) love to overstate their service time exploits and C) wished they had "seen" combat and were better prepared for it. This guys seems like just that type. However, the fact that they WERE in the military seems to garner some kind of status with non ex-military who think guys like this must know what they are preaching and teaching and they follow them blindly.

This sums it up the best I think:


I kind of have a sinking feeling that this guy and his ilk are the ones that will be raiding towns for supplies just b/c they can. To them this is the pinnacle of their "training" and I'll bet they have devised more ways to control a community through terrorism than they have devised actual tactics to confront their government "enemy". This goof ball cannot wait until others bow down to him because finally HE is in command and doesn't have to eat crap from his CO anymore.

I'm no pacifist, and if I HAVE to raise a weapon against someone else I won't have any qualms doing it, but I'm a realist and know I would take every possible peaceful means of resolution over armed conflict any day of the week.

Ok, rant over, guys like this irk me.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I gotta be honest... the reason I carry is due to guys like Cochran.

[Irving]

Can we do something about the 55% estate tax that prevents many people from inheriting their family property?

[Ranger]

I gotta be honest... the reason I carry is due to guys like Cochran.
THIS!

[Elhuero]

foxtrot is talking about vampires and unicorns when I've posted a damn video of what he's says is impossible actually happening.

"The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect."


Oh, he's talking about NATIONWIDE gun confiscation.

Roger that. Cunt hair split. Over and out.

[OgenRwot]

C) Tell him "nope, don't have any guns sorry".

If I'm not mistaken didn't they do some searches? I have an AZ CCW and soon to be a CO CCW. Now the Arapahoe County Sheriff knows I have at least a pistol. Pretty sure they're gonna come knocking here first. What about guys with tax stamps for their SBRs, suppressors, full autos? They know where they live as well.

[palepainter]

I can guarantee you, no matter in which they approach people to get their guns, there will be a scuffle. There are people out there way out there on the edge. I am not saying I am one of them, but you know them. One of them is my neighbor. He once told me, " The day they come for my guns, is the day I will go out with a bang."

[ChunkyMonkey]

If I'm not mistaken didn't they do some searches? I have an AZ CCW and soon to be a CO CCW. Now the Arapahoe County Sheriff knows I have at least a pistol. Pretty sure they're gonna come knocking here first. What about guys with tax stamps for their SBRs, suppressors, full autos? They know where they live as well.

Off topic - but I know at least one security guy who had to get CCW but doesn't have any guns himself (Ok, it was due to his divorce!, but point is you dont have to have a gun to get a CCW).

[Irving]

Just like you don't have to smoke pot to get an MMJ prescription, but people are still afraid to be on a list.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Just like you don't have to smoke pot to get an MMJ prescription, but people are still afraid to be on a list.

You don't have to get prescription to smoke pot either - just to purchase them! [Coffee]

[mx'r]

There's not really any groundswell of opinion in the UK to repeal the current firearms laws that needs to be kept under control, to be honest. Most Britons have no interest in owning firearms for hunting, self defense or overthrowing the government. People who would like to see the laws moving further towards ours are so small in number that they can effectively be ignored rather than attacked via the media. Anyone who owns a firearm in the UK who isn't a farmer or gamekeeper is essentially looked on as a bit of a weirdo by anyone who knows that he owns them.

I wouldn't say that the article is slanted 'big time,' but it's definitely intended at least in part to confirm the prejudice that the rest of the world holds about Americans and guns. But would you want to read an article about how British dentistry is just as advanced as American dentistry and most people in the UK have perfectly healthy teeth? [Tooth]


That's why we kicked there f'n ass so many years ago.[Beer]

[jake]

As my dad likes to point out, you were all still British at the time, and the British army was mostly made up of Hessians, so really it was just Britain beating Germany. Business as usual :D

[Bailey Guns]

We weren't still British in 1812...

[Coffee]

[Byte Stryke]

As my dad likes to point out, you were all still British at the time, and the British army was mostly made up of Hessians, so really it was just Britain beating Germany. Business as usual :D


Ahem, You'll be beggin meh fekkin Pardon.
I'm Not British. and if I were I would ask God Almighty for his forgiveness as I took m'self to the Gates.

I've no love for the Bastards...


http://www.britishflag.us/downloads/print/erin-go-bragh1.jpg


:D

Hijacked

[DD977GM2]

I won't go into detail here, but groups like that give firearm owners a very bad name.


My thoughts exactly[Bang]

[mx'r]

As my dad likes to point out, you were all still British at the time, and the British army was mostly made up of Hessians, so really it was just Britain beating Germany. Business as usual :D


Really? that's one of the most retarded things i've heard. Oh well, I dont understand the liberal way of thinking and remarks like above remind me why.

[jake]

Really? that's one of the most retarded things i've heard. Oh well, I dont understand the liberal way of thinking and remarks like above remind me why.:rolleyes:

http://tinyurl.com/bzq6od